| 00:00.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | last company hiring me for my skills did that when they noticed they are in a pinch and that's actually been too late for fixing anything |
| 00:00.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | so this time I tried to make sure I'm in a bit earlier |
| 00:01.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's see if I managed to transport that idea to jolla |
| 00:02.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | "first device out this year" pretty much sounds like it's already too late again |
| 00:03.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I got skills on the low level sw / driver side as well, and there the window closes way later than for hw design |
| 00:05.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | and for my main competence to explain to hw department what sw needs and explain to sw department what way hw is meant to be used, it's never too late. Just it's the most hard to explain part, as nobody usually sees the need for such an ambassador |
| 00:08.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | sw dudes looking down on EE and not really appreciating own competence is in bits and bytes not gates and busses, and EE not really bothering about what sw does with their brilliant hw design, as "it's obvious how to use it right - if anybody can't see that he's probably an idiot" |
| 00:10.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | so since it's always not your own fault how could you see the need for a translator or ambassador. If "the others" need one, fine. *They* can consider hiring a dude like doc |
| 00:11.31 | SpeedEvil | Any sane vendor needs someone in that role. |
| 00:11.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | tell that the vendors, not me ;-) |
| 00:13.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know the origin of my nick |
| 00:13.16 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 00:13.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | .doc scrutinizer, eats .doc datasheets for breakfast |
| 00:14.07 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 00:14.14 | GeneralAntilles | I always figured Dr. Scrutinizer |
| 00:14.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, everybody does |
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| 00:17.03 | GhostRider | nice name :o |
| 00:17.08 | GhostRider | wait what why is this ghostrider |
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| 00:23.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: to me it seems only natural for such an ambassador at borderline between hw and sw to also do some communication to community about both domains |
| 00:23.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | and filter and channel feedback and questions from community to devels |
| 00:23.53 | SpeedEvil | Logical. |
| 00:24.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's hope somebody at jolla sees this the same we both do ;-) |
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| 01:09.43 | RST38h | loves, loves, loves Synology |
| 01:10.25 | RST38h | It is the small-server version of N900! =) |
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| 01:12.37 | GeneralAntilles | I've got an SS4200 with FreeNAS 8. |
| 01:12.39 | GeneralAntilles | I hate it. |
| 01:14.33 | RST38h | a moment, general |
| 01:15.04 | RiD | halt, hammerzeit |
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| 01:15.22 | RST38h | General: Test-drive this: http://www.synology.com/products/dsm_livedemo.php?lang=us |
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| 01:17.38 | RST38h | In my case, running on this: http://www.synology.com/products/product.php?product_name=DS212%2B |
| 01:20.02 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, that is awesome. |
| 01:20.25 | RST38h | exactly |
| 01:20.40 | RST38h | and scary because it is all js |
| 01:20.48 | GeneralAntilles | Why didn't I know about this. . . . |
| 01:22.03 | RiD | i dropped my n900 on my head |
| 01:22.14 | RiD | my nose man |
| 01:22.21 | RiD | face* not head |
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| 01:25.20 | SpeedEvil | sets up SIP on his phone for the first time. |
| 01:25.40 | SpeedEvil | I realised my ISP has free SIP, and I can drop to teh low-user package on my phone proveder, and save! |
| 01:25.50 | RiD | :o |
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| 01:55.35 | RiD | SpeedEvil: i got free 1GB monthly internet from my operator. no fees no disadvantages. Envy that! |
| 01:56.27 | cehteh | sounds like you are not in europe and not in US |
| 02:03.56 | RiD | lol. Europe |
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| 06:51.04 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85327 |
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| 08:53.57 | freemangordon | ~seen jonwil |
| 08:54.00 | infobot | jonwil <~jonwil@27-33-137-199.static.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 17h 59m 58s ago, saying: 'hopefully the phone shop calls me soon to say that the N900 parts I am waiting for have arrived'. |
| 08:54.13 | freemangordon | :S |
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| 09:12.46 | teotwaki | so... What exactly do you do to debug, when gdb cores on loading your core? |
| 09:12.57 | teotwaki | I'm sure there's a "sup dawg" meme here somewhere. |
| 09:13.20 | freemangordon | teotwaki: attach to the process that dumped and load the coredump |
| 09:13.53 | freemangordon | that way you have the correct bt |
| 09:14.36 | freemangordon | so you know where to put your breakpoinnts next time |
| 09:14.57 | freemangordon | teotwaki: ^^^ |
| 09:15.21 | teotwaki | freemangordon: eh? |
| 09:15.29 | teotwaki | How do I attach to a process that has segfaulted? |
| 09:15.43 | freemangordon | start it again ;) |
| 09:16.10 | freemangordon | once started, attach and load the coredump |
| 09:19.11 | teotwaki | freemangordon: nice try, but no cigar. |
| 09:19.13 | teotwaki | (gdb) bt |
| 09:19.14 | teotwaki | #0 0x00007f077510d0f0 in vtable for log4cxx::Logger () |
| 09:19.14 | teotwaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.14 | teotwaki | A problem internal to GDB has been detected, |
| 09:19.16 | teotwaki | further debugging may prove unreliable. |
| 09:19.18 | teotwaki | Quit this debugging session? (y or n) |
| 09:19.33 | teotwaki | /build/buildd/gdb-7.4-2012.04/gdb/dwarf2read.c:6860: internal-error: dwarf2_record_block_ranges: Assertion `dwarf2_per_objfile->ranges.readin' failed. |
| 09:20.08 | freemangordon | teotwaki: well, if yo uhit some gdb error, try again |
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| 09:20.23 | teotwaki | I've been trying all morning. |
| 09:20.35 | freemangordon | to attach to a running process with gdb? |
| 09:20.44 | teotwaki | aye |
| 09:21.04 | freemangordon | well, ignore that and try "core coredump" |
| 09:21.30 | freemangordon | which process is that |
| 09:22.21 | freemangordon | and what machine? |
| 09:22.37 | teotwaki | my own process |
| 09:22.40 | teotwaki | my own machine |
| 09:22.48 | freemangordon | 64bit? |
| 09:22.50 | teotwaki | aye |
| 09:23.23 | freemangordon | hmm, try to run it from within gdb then, instead of attaching |
| 09:23.32 | teotwaki | doesn't work either |
| 09:23.40 | teotwaki | it craps out as soon as I hit "r" |
| 09:23.43 | freemangordon | upgrade your gdb :P |
| 09:23.48 | teotwaki | might do |
| 09:25.01 | teotwaki | well, I'm running the latest, pretty much... |
| 09:28.08 | teotwaki | might try compiling with g++ instead |
| 09:29.06 | teotwaki | blargh, no c++11 support in g++ |
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| 09:40.12 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer05: So, this "alarmed" maemo package -- should I expect it to work right away with installation, or is there something else that needs to be installed with it? I tested it with running a simple script, and it did not seem to fire. |
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| 09:40.55 | kwtm | It did fire on triggering an alarm, so the alarmd itself is working ... do I need to do anything in particular for scripts? I've put absolute pathnames and all that ... |
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| 09:48.46 | teotwaki | ~ugt |
| 09:48.47 | infobot | well, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
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| 09:49.25 | kerio | what's alarmed? |
| 09:50.53 | joga | it's a program that you can use to schedule stuff, such as for running scripts |
| 09:51.15 | joga | it has worked for me I think but there's some peculiarities with its UI |
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| 09:55.31 | joga | kwtm your script is set +x? |
| 09:55.58 | kwtm | joga: Yes, including +x for user, group, and others alike. |
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| 09:56.43 | joga | oh, now I see one peculiarity: if you select an event and press remove, it doesn't disappear until you close alarmed and start it again |
| 09:57.17 | kwtm | I |
| 09:57.25 | joga | but anyway, I just tried making a simple script that will present a prompt "hi", placed it in /home/user/bin/testscript, set it to +x and scheduled it a couple of mins to future, worked fine |
| 09:57.31 | joga | with absolute path also |
| 09:57.47 | kwtm | kerio: I'm trying to get a script to run every so often. Once I can do that, I can make that script call other scripts that check sms, etc. |
| 09:58.14 | kwtm | I'm trying to stick to non-compiled languages like bash or python. |
| 09:58.16 | kerio | i see |
| 09:58.18 | kerio | what's wrong with cron? |
| 09:58.20 | joga | I've used it before to ring a wakeup call to my gf (and put the speaker on) when she was abroad and I would have been sleeping at that time otherwise heh |
| 09:58.27 | joga | alarmed is easier to use |
| 09:58.31 | kerio | hm, it appears that there is no cron |
| 09:58.33 | kerio | what the FUCK |
| 09:58.44 | kwtm | cron apparently does not work well on N900. |
| 09:58.58 | kerio | of course not, it probably expects to be on a unix system |
| 09:58.59 | kerio | ¬.¬ |
| 09:59.01 | kwtm | I have been told not even to try it. In any case, I was hoping alarmed could replace it. |
| 09:59.03 | kerio | fucking nokia |
| 09:59.11 | Lava_Croft | stop whining |
| 09:59.59 | kerio | hm, is there something to do to run ntpd at boot? |
| 10:00.01 | kerio | it's not running, here |
| 10:00.27 | NIN101 | create a bootscript. |
| 10:00.28 | kwtm | Well, he does need to get it out of the system. I went through the "fuck Nokia" x 100 stage and finally accepted that Nokia made the N900 a piece of crap. Although, as I have said, the BEST piece of crap in the world. |
| 10:01.31 | kerio | NIN101: yeah but why isn't it there by default? |
| 10:01.34 | Lava_Croft | try any other mobile and then get back here |
| 10:01.40 | NIN101 | did I design maemo? |
| 10:01.48 | NIN101 | I don't know. |
| 10:01.49 | kerio | s/maemo/openntpd/ |
| 10:02.10 | kerio | Lava_Croft: the fact that any other "smart"phone is absolute crap compared to the n900 doesn't remove my right to complain about the n900 |
| 10:02.31 | Lava_Croft | i never questioned your rights, emo |
| 10:02.40 | Lava_Croft | but see things in perspective |
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| 10:03.30 | kerio | meh, rdate is better anyway |
| 10:04.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | kwtm: a "script" has to be executable |
| 10:05.10 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer05: Covered that. What else? |
| 10:05.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | chmod +x, /1/ #!/bin/sh |
| 10:05.31 | kwtm | I also checked: world-readable, no relative pathnames, no reliance on environment variables. |
| 10:05.47 | kwtm | right, first line shebang. |
| 10:05.50 | joga | where is your script? |
| 10:05.55 | joga | (MyDocs?) |
| 10:05.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | full pathname might help too |
| 10:06.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | right, ands not on MyDocs |
| 10:06.24 | joga | ye it has noexec |
| 10:06.33 | kwtm | I have it under /home/user/sh which is on the home system ... I think. |
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| 10:06.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | and basically no permission bits |
| 10:06.47 | kwtm | Oh, MyDocs has noexec? Ok, will just make sure ~/sh is not a symlink to there ... |
| 10:07.42 | kwtm | Nope, verified that it's not on the FAT filesystem ... |
| 10:08.07 | kwtm | Is there a "crontab"-like file that I can look at? Like "alarmtab" or something? |
| 10:08.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 10:08.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really |
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| 10:09.13 | joga | alarmed seems to have its config in ~/.config/alarmed/ |
| 10:09.27 | kwtm | The only thing I can think of is that I set this event via alarmed (the GUI) and THEN made corrections to the script (eg. world-executable, etc.) so maybe the first iteration alarmd found that it didn't work and didn't bother triggering the event again, not realizing that I had made some changes? |
| 10:09.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah but it's cryptic |
| 10:09.31 | kwtm | joga: Useful info. Thx. |
| 10:10.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | alarmed has a command to list all events though |
| 10:11.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, and my alarmed has a symlink from user/bin to that opt abomination |
| 10:11.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | for shell |
| 10:12.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | bash-3.2$ ls -l `which alarmed` |
| 10:12.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 Jun 20 2011 /usr/bin/alarmed -> /opt/alarmed/alarmed.py |
| 10:13.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | alarmed -C -L |
| 10:13.30 | kwtm | funny, I see it too, but typing "alarm"[Tab] on the command line doesn't seem to bring it up ... it's not in the $PATH? WIl try |
| 10:14.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I created that link after installing alarmed, as it sucked |
| 10:14.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | without |
| 10:14.50 | kerio | hrmpf, rdate doesn't want to work :C |
| 10:15.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | shapeshifter refused to add that symlink to alarmed pkg, and we had rather an argument about it ;-P |
| 10:15.50 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: rdate doesn't work :C |
| 10:15.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf rdate? |
| 10:16.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | bash-3.2$ man rdate |
| 10:16.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | No manual entry for rdate |
| 10:17.49 | kwtm | I wonder why he didn't like that symlink? Sounds useful; I'll probably add it. Also, nice python source which should let me script some useful scripts, but first I want to see that it works. Hmm... |
| 10:18.36 | kerio | meh, i'll just use ntpd -d |
| 10:18.41 | kerio | stupid lack of ntpdate |
| 10:19.14 | Lava_Croft | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65315 |
| 10:22.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: yeah, THAT pisses me since several years, as ntpd is NO comprehensive substitute for ntpdate |
| 10:22.47 | kerio | how often is NITZ data sent by the operators? |
| 10:23.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ntpdate allows to only *display* the rempte stratum date, while ntpd doesn't allow to do that |
| 10:23.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | network time? undefined, some do every second, others never, or use weird format |
| 10:24.30 | kerio | is there a way to take the time from the gps? |
| 10:24.37 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 10:24.43 | SpeedEvil | Well - not officially |
| 10:24.58 | kerio | isn't there a way to read the date from the satellites? |
| 10:25.04 | SpeedEvil | There are a couple of aps that will that I've forgotten the name of |
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| 10:25.12 | SpeedEvil | and yes - GPS has time |
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| 10:28.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then, for GPS to get a fix you damn better have correct time in advance |
| 10:28.25 | dhbiker | kerio: i use gpsrecorder.. and it updates the clock via GPS |
| 10:28.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | as otherwise AGPS will spoil your game massively |
| 10:28.45 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hehe |
| 10:28.46 | kerio | good point |
| 10:28.58 | kerio | how slow is gps without any assist? |
| 10:29.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | depends |
| 10:29.09 | kwtm | kerio: Takes about 4 minutes in my situation |
| 10:29.11 | dhbiker | mine takes about 2 minutes |
| 10:29.25 | kerio | dhbiker: without *any* assist? |
| 10:29.31 | dhbiker | yes. |
| 10:29.33 | kerio | does gps even work without an inserted sim? |
| 10:29.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | could be almost as fast as with, but only in optimal situation with intelligent chip. I dunno how intelligent the N900 GPS is |
| 10:29.49 | dhbiker | it depends |
| 10:30.05 | kwtm | Yes, I have a N900 with no sim |
| 10:30.08 | dhbiker | i found out that if you're closer to last position it gets the fix quicker |
| 10:30.12 | dhbiker | no clue why |
| 10:30.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, that's still AGPS |
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| 10:30.47 | dhbiker | DocScrutinizer05: not possible... no sim in it |
| 10:31.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's using last fix lon/lat and current time to do "onboard AGPS" |
| 10:31.10 | dhbiker | oh.. |
| 10:31.11 | dhbiker | xD |
| 10:31.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | i.e. it stores ephem/alm of last fix |
| 10:31.41 | dhbiker | yeah |
| 10:31.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | and reuses them |
| 10:32.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | if those are out of date, either due to age or to massive location change, you're pretty much fecked |
| 10:32.29 | dhbiker | yeah |
| 10:32.39 | dhbiker | then it takes a loong time |
| 10:33.06 | kerio | yeah but does it work eventually? |
| 10:33.12 | dhbiker | it does |
| 10:33.23 | dhbiker | why wouldn't it work ? |
| 10:33.44 | kerio | idk |
| 10:34.27 | kerio | there was something about not having a sim |
| 10:35.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, using AGPS and feeding chip with massively incorrect alm/ephem/time will cause the chip's logic to lock up it seems |
| 10:35.24 | kerio | hm, the n900 is here on my bed |
| 10:35.37 | kerio | and apparently it's moving at 5.12 +- 24.77 km/h |
| 10:35.44 | dhbiker | lol |
| 10:35.45 | dhbiker | :D |
| 10:35.51 | kerio | i mean, i guess it's treu |
| 10:35.53 | kerio | true |
| 10:35.55 | kerio | but still... |
| 10:36.13 | teotwaki | I remember when I got the n810 |
| 10:36.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | indoor GPS without A is useless |
| 10:36.19 | kerio | (i'm indoors, and this house is kinda like a bunker) |
| 10:36.25 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: no, i have A |
| 10:36.30 | kerio | i got a fix pretty quickly |
| 10:36.34 | kerio | but the quality is kinda horrible |
| 10:36.51 | teotwaki | my teacher and I were amazed at how impossibly poor the GPS was... Outside, sat on a table, the n810 was showing us moving all over the school grounds |
| 10:36.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | make sure your onboard time is set correctly |
| 10:37.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | with A and wrong time you confuse the hell outa poor GPS chip |
| 10:37.40 | kerio | hm, which maps does cloudgps use? |
| 10:37.46 | kerio | and WOAH HOW IS IT SO SMOOTH |
| 10:37.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | pff youngsters |
| 10:38.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | *my* teachers couldn't tell wtf is GPS - didn't exist when I had any teachers ;-P |
| 10:38.24 | dhbiker | xD |
| 10:38.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi cras... teotwaki |
| 10:41.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: when that's a true GPs fix and not a artificial faked one (you could check with location test app or whatever the name), you are bound to give it another few minutes without moving device to get a _good_ stable fix |
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| 10:42.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | a very widespred idiosyncrasy of GPS chips to deliver poor & jumping fix under suboptimal conditions during first few minutes |
| 10:42.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | (probably until almanac got downloaded) |
| 10:43.53 | kwtm | ok, some progress: alarmed is able to execute the command /bin/sh -c 'touch /home/user/MyDocs/alarmtest' so I will just need to make stepwise changes to that command line to see why it won't run my script. |
| 10:44.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc each sat/IV sends its _own_ current ephem data every few seconds, so after ~30s max a good chip (with many correlators) should get a fix under good conditions aka strong signal |
| 10:45.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | kwtm: good! scientific approach, I like that ;-) |
| 10:46.31 | kwtm | kerio: you find cloudgps smooth? I am interested in finding a good GPS program ... Mappero ate up all the CPU and I avoided GPS+maps after that. Is cloud GPS a mapper or just a GPS data display? |
| 10:46.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF cloudgps? |
| 10:47.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm using marble and occasionally mappero |
| 10:47.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | and... dang... |
| 10:48.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | liblocation app? |
| 10:49.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | location test app |
| 10:49.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | a must-have |
| 10:49.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | the only decent tool to check what's up with GPS/location |
| 10:50.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | in "the old times" without running location test concurrently, several mapping apps never got a fix |
| 10:50.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | incl nokia maps |
| 10:51.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | which had the funny idea to power down GPS after 60s |
| 10:51.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | no matter if a fix been achieved or not |
| 10:51.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | location test app kept GPS active, so it eventially accuired a fix |
| 10:52.02 | kwtm | awww.... fuh'crying out loud! Ok, fixed my script. Stupid typo. |
| 10:52.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehehe |
| 10:52.24 | kwtm | I was trying to write to a directory called /user/home/MyDocs and wondering why it didn't work. |
| 10:52.30 | kwtm | will now go bang head against wall. |
| 10:52.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | NOO |
| 10:52.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | teh poor wall! |
| 10:54.17 | joga | kwtm I just installed cloudgps a couple of days ago and was very impressed, it's actually very smooth, but it seems trying to use the search crashes it |
| 10:54.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | kwtm: keep in mind that MyDocs isn't guaranteed to be available |
| 10:54.45 | joga | it still beats maep, my previous favorite for "where the heck am I" utility, by far |
| 10:55.49 | joga | and cloudgps is a tilemap program, but it shows terse satellite data at the top too |
| 10:57.05 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer05: It's okay, MyDocs was just a universally writeable place to test my script. I plan to have a master script executed every minute, and it can call other scripts as necessary. |
| 10:57.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 10:57.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | weird concept, but ok |
| 10:57.43 | kwtm | joga: Ok, so cloudgps without searching. Got it, will try. Wife is using iPhone 4S and trying to impress me on how she can use the GPS ... |
| 10:57.51 | joga | I currently use alarmed to kill hildon-home twice a week to avoid it getting sluggish ;p |
| 10:57.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you like that "cpu & battery hog" design ;-) |
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| 10:58.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | joga: nice idea |
| 10:58.49 | joga | kwtm for more features I haven't found a better one than Modrana, that also handles navigation and voice guidance (though it uses espeak or so so it doesn't sound very good) |
| 10:58.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | joga: you might want to killall browserd as well ;-) |
| 10:59.13 | joga | DocScrutinizer05 wouldn't that close the browser windows should I have any open? ;) |
| 10:59.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly yes |
| 10:59.44 | joga | wouldn't really be a problem though, currently I run the kill on monday & thursday at 3:00am |
| 10:59.48 | joga | heh |
| 11:00.20 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer05: Well, it doesn't call each of the other scripts every minute. But that way I feel I have better control over the execution of scripts, as I haven't learned to trust alarmd yet. I was actually hoping for a stable version of dbus-scripts (my first order of priority is to make a sms-notify that works), but apparently it's under extras-devel so I want to look for alternatives. |
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| 11:01.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | dbus-scripts not stable? |
| 11:01.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm quite happy with it |
| 11:02.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | except I think it's missing a compare for one of the dbus addr components |
| 11:03.08 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer05: that's good to hear. I'll probably eventually switch over to dbus-scripts, but presumably there's a reason why it's not under extras-testing, for example. |
| 11:03.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, the author didn't bother to promote the pkg, a common problem we discussed a lot recently |
| 11:04.02 | kwtm | joga, kerio: What part of the planet are you on? And do you think cloudgps performance will vary in other continents? (not counting Antarctica) |
| 11:04.58 | joga | kwtm I'm in Finland. I don't see how it would vary, it just needs to download (openstreetmap?) maps, if that works fast I'd expect it to work fast too |
| 11:05.00 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer05: But would you say the dbus-scripts author has supported/maintained the package as well as a extras-testing package? If so, I might take a second look (sooner than I originally intended, I mean) |
| 11:05.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | kwtm: basically there's usually no reason why a pkg is not in testing or extras |
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| 11:05.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | just a lot of authors didn't ever bother to promote their pkg |
| 11:06.09 | joga | cloudgps doesn't do anything spectacular except apparently uses the graphics capabilities of the device so that it's something like 50fps and smooth |
| 11:06.10 | kwtm | joga: Well, openstreetmap maps might not be as abundant for my region. I think I tried openstreetmaps once and it didn't look so good. Mappero used Google Maps. Wonder if cloudgps will do that? |
| 11:06.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | council got that issue on their agenda |
| 11:06.28 | joga | kwtm not sure, it doesn't seem to have much configuration options in the UI at least |
| 11:06.58 | kwtm | Ok. kerio, are you in Scandinavia, too? |
| 11:07.00 | joga | in maep it's easy to pick your favorite map source |
| 11:07.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | kwtm: I can 100% support/suggest dbus-scripts |
| 11:07.28 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer05: Ok. Well, I have it installed; I just haven't gotten around to using it yet. |
| 11:07.41 | joga | (here OSM are gorgeous and very accurate) |
| 11:07.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | never had any problems with it, except when me idiot placed a script in the etc/dbus-scripts.d/* dir |
| 11:08.30 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer05: And can you suggest a good way to modify (say, add) status bar icons from one of the scripting languages, either bash or python? Is there some "/usr/bin/add-status-icon MyIcon.png" package somewhere? |
| 11:09.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmmm, I actually suggested such a generic critter, and I *think* MohammadAGor someone implemented it |
| 11:09.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | a generic cmdline tool to add/remove/change an icon in statusbar |
| 11:10.09 | kwtm | A lot of the libs are for compiled programs, but I'm glad to see that there are a lot of Python wrappers around. Just have to dig up the docs for them. |
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| 11:11.52 | kwtm | Yeah, after having *properly* reflashed my N900 (after it limping along for a year or more) I am now making my list of scripting stuff I have wanted to do for the past year: remind me of unread SMS (apparently sms-notify is persona non grata), auto-record GPS if I'm moving faster than 20 km/h, and stick a status bar icon when Shift / Fn / both is pressed. |
| 11:12.22 | kwtm | Oh, yeah, and ... read my SMS msgs out loud. |
| 11:12.57 | kwtm | Oh, and change the ringtone on the phone so that it will call out the phone number of the incoming caller. |
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| 11:15.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | the latter one is terribly hard to implement, I already gave it several go's, but that needs hacking of hildon-input-method or similar cryptic/closed stuff |
| 11:15.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | (status bar icon when Shift / Fn / both is pressed.) |
| 11:16.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I thought to use notifier LED for that, but that's not the hard part in it anyway |
| 11:17.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | finding out about Fn/Shift-sticky (press two times) is "impossible" it seems |
| 11:17.39 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer05: Oh. :( I take it you're referring to the status icon of shift/fn. I was also looking for something where, if I press a key twice, it's the same as tapping the Shift key. Also if I hold down the key, it's like pressing Fn -- which the N900 already does anyway except I HAVE TO HOLD IT DOWN FOR SO FRICK'N LONG!!! I could almost finish typing my sentence in the time it takes for the depressed Q key to turn into the |
| 11:17.41 | kwtm | number 1. :P |
| 11:18.49 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer05: I wonder if we can find out when those yellow-band no-user-interaction-required messages appear, and look for one that says "Fn is locked" or something ... |
| 11:19.11 | kwtm | although if we just rely on those, we'd never find out when the Fn key was pressed again to unlock it ... |
| 11:19.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | *might* be possible, indeed |
| 11:19.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | dbus-monitor the way to go |
| 11:19.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, that's the problem |
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| 11:23.37 | kerio | kwtm: southern europe, italy |
| 11:23.49 | kwtm | does anyone have any idea why my Kubuntu will happily connect over USB to one N900, but not both at the same time? My Kubuntu laptop is configured to 192.168.10.14, and one N900 is set to 192.168.10.15 and the other to 192.168.10.16. I thought I'd be able to ssh into both but whichever one is connected second fails with the message "no route to host". A Linux ifconfig problem? |
| 11:24.13 | kwtm | It's a bummer trying to transfer info between them. :P |
| 11:32.41 | kerio | anyway, maep sucks |
| 11:32.45 | kerio | gpsrecorder is awesome |
| 11:32.51 | kerio | and cloudgps is really neat |
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| 11:37.32 | kwtm | kerio: Any suggestions on if I want to just read my GPS location (and maybe even speed) from a scripting language like bash or python? Like /usr/bin/gps-location-whatever putting the lat and long into stdout? Or, failing that, some GPS location recorder that constantly records to file (in a friendly format like .gpx) so I can read the file |
| 11:37.36 | Corsac | kwtm: my guess is that you have two usb interfaces (usb0 and usb1) |
| 11:37.51 | Corsac | kwtm: so you need to configure an ip on both, and on two different subnets |
| 11:38.01 | kerio | kwtm: gpsrecorder does that, i think |
| 11:38.02 | kwtm | Corsac: That's what I thought, so I tried sudo ifconfig usb1 192.168.something and it said "usb1: no such interface" |
| 11:38.19 | kwtm | kerio: Ok, thx. I thought it just logged on closing but will check it out. |
| 11:38.29 | kerio | kwtm: hm, maybe? |
| 11:38.41 | kerio | kwtm: anyway, there's plenty of utilitied that do it |
| 11:38.44 | kerio | go see how they do it :) |
| 11:38.48 | kerio | the thing is, gps is kinda slow |
| 11:38.56 | Corsac | kwtm: check in logs, but my guess is that you might not be able to have to usb interface as the same time, or some thing |
| 11:39.04 | Corsac | kwtm: check ip link to see the interface names, too |
| 11:40.15 | kwtm | Corsac: I will have to read up a bit to see what you mean by that ... I think by "see interface names" you mean do "ifconfig" to list all interfaces, but ... the funny thing is that each of the two N900's will connect properly on its own. Aaaaanyway ... |
| 11:41.23 | kwtm | Oh, how do I check the source of a package I downloaded? It's something like apt-get source install PkgName, right? Or something. |
| 11:44.10 | kerio | kwtm: it sounds like a routing issue to me |
| 11:44.17 | kerio | try putting them in two different subnets |
| 11:45.05 | kwtm | kerio: yeah, I figured I'd have to do that (subnets) ... sigh... ok, more tinkering with scripts. Like I have nothing better to do. Oh, well. |
| 11:45.11 | kwtm | ok, am going to go catch up on sleep now. |
| 11:45.28 | kerio | "sigh... ok, more tinkering" sums up the whole n900 user experience :) |
| 11:58.37 | kwtm | kerio: :) I did try a different subnet (192.168.10.* and 192.168.11.*) for the two N900's and still no luck. |
| 11:59.05 | kwtm | Ok, I feel so incredibly stupid. I can ssh into my wifi-connected N900 over the home network. Duhhh... |
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| 12:00.25 | kerio | kwtm: well, you're not stupid for expecting usb networking to work on two n900s |
| 12:01.09 | kwtm | kerio: Well, thank you for that ... the N900 has made me feel stupid on more than one occasion. Maybe that's why they're called "smartphones". |
| 12:01.42 | zsolt | hi there.interesting.why cant dial sim contacts with sip?looks like this function is missing.if i dial the number manually works well |
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| 12:02.17 | kwtm | yea! Now I can actually transfer stuff between my N900's. :P Been trying to do that for a while now. |
| 12:06.33 | kerio | zsolt: can you elaborate more? it should work |
| 12:06.42 | kerio | well, maybe not |
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| 12:07.20 | kerio | i remember there was a way to add a "dial with skypeout" button to contacts |
| 12:07.49 | zsolt | it lets me to dial gsm only |
| 12:08.50 | zsolt | but if i dial a number manually than i can select the sip option |
| 12:09.15 | zsolt | i use n900 with latest firmware |
| 12:09.37 | dhbiker | ummm... my n900 shuts down immideatly if i power it on o.O what can be wrong ? |
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| 12:11.32 | zsolt | maybe you have to reflash it.did you installed any unofficial program?i did it and messed my Os up |
| 12:11.58 | zsolt | i reflashed it now works |
| 12:12.11 | dhbiker | oh.. |
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| 12:12.44 | dhbiker | it hangs now |
| 12:12.48 | dhbiker | at the bootscreen |
| 12:13.03 | joga | battery? |
| 12:13.08 | dhbiker | nope |
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| 12:13.10 | dhbiker | full |
| 12:13.13 | zsolt | is nokia logo displays? |
| 12:13.19 | dhbiker | nope |
| 12:13.25 | dhbiker | just that dots |
| 12:13.29 | joga | sure it's full? |
| 12:13.31 | dhbiker | yes |
| 12:13.33 | zsolt | got any multimeter? |
| 12:13.41 | dhbiker | yup |
| 12:13.52 | zsolt | you have to measure the battery |
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| 12:14.35 | dhbiker | 3.7 V |
| 12:14.44 | zsolt | interesting that you cant charge the batt if the os went wrong |
| 12:15.44 | zsolt | i think it is not enough |
| 12:16.08 | zsolt | i charged mine inside an e90 |
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| 12:16.52 | zsolt | got any flashing led? |
| 12:17.16 | zsolt | when you switch it on?it should be blue |
| 12:17.26 | dhbiker | its white |
| 12:17.32 | dhbiker | when i switch it on |
| 12:17.37 | dhbiker | always has been whit |
| 12:17.39 | dhbiker | e |
| 12:17.39 | dhbiker | xD |
| 12:17.48 | zsolt | hm |
| 12:19.09 | zsolt | um not an expert.just shared my experience.wait till somebody answers you |
| 12:19.37 | zsolt | but think that an os error |
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| 12:20.42 | zsolt | how to call sim contacts with sip?it is annoying that cant do that |
| 12:20.43 | qwazix_ | dhbiker, reflashing rootfs should solve it, and you'll lose only installed applications |
| 12:20.55 | qwazix_ | settings and data will be safely kept |
| 12:21.05 | dhbiker | ok.. |
| 12:21.13 | dhbiker | i need a guide then :S |
| 12:21.23 | dhbiker | never done this before |
| 12:21.37 | zsolt | you have to download from maemo.org download section |
| 12:21.57 | dhbiker | ah |
| 12:22.02 | zsolt | enter your imei |
| 12:22.05 | dhbiker | found FW and guide |
| 12:22.42 | zsolt | dont download vanilla kernel |
| 12:23.04 | dhbiker | Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 ? |
| 12:23.44 | qwazix_ | ~flashing |
| 12:23.45 | infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 12:24.12 | zsolt | where do you live?if inside uk or us?if outside download global |
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| 12:24.37 | dhbiker | slovenia |
| 12:24.39 | dhbiker | near italy |
| 12:24.46 | dhbiker | global it is |
| 12:25.06 | zsolt | we are neighbours i am hungarian |
| 12:25.22 | zsolt | so global is for you |
| 12:25.42 | zsolt | download flasher 3.5 |
| 12:26.28 | zsolt | and read carefully the flashing guide |
| 12:27.57 | zsolt | if you use linux nevermind the 64bit flasher package |
| 12:27.57 | dhbiker | k |
| 12:28.13 | dhbiker | i'm on linux yes.. but not debian :P |
| 12:28.34 | qwazix_ | if you extract the binary from the tgz it should play almost everywhere |
| 12:28.47 | zsolt | just download the flasher 3.5 executable |
| 12:29.27 | dhbiker | ./flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 12:29.29 | dhbiker | ouch |
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| 12:29.57 | qwazix_ | are you root? |
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| 12:30.17 | jacekowski | dhbiker: install libusb |
| 12:30.24 | dhbiker | yes i'm root |
| 12:30.25 | zsolt | modprobe phonet something like that |
| 12:30.39 | dhbiker | + libusb is installed... but its lubusbx |
| 12:30.45 | dhbiker | libusbx* |
| 12:30.56 | jacekowski | no |
| 12:30.58 | jacekowski | that's different thing |
| 12:31.06 | zsolt | there is a phonet module |
| 12:31.19 | zsolt | that do the trick |
| 12:31.24 | jacekowski | you don't need phonet module |
| 12:31.29 | jacekowski | phonet module is for something else |
| 12:31.42 | jacekowski | and it's useless on desktop |
| 12:32.21 | dhbiker | core/libusbx 1.0.12-2 [installed] |
| 12:32.34 | zsolt | why cant call sim contacts with voip? |
| 12:32.45 | dhbiker | i can install this... aur/lib32-libusb |
| 12:32.52 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 12:32.53 | jacekowski | that's the one |
| 12:32.56 | dhbiker | ok |
| 12:33.29 | jacekowski | centos? |
| 12:33.38 | FallenWarlock | dhbiker: Archlinux ? |
| 12:33.44 | dhbiker | yes arch |
| 12:33.48 | jacekowski | ugh |
| 12:33.54 | jacekowski | no wonder why it doesn't work |
| 12:33.59 | dhbiker | nope still the same |
| 12:34.00 | FallenWarlock | yay! I'm not the only one on Arch :D |
| 12:34.12 | zsolt | use debian |
| 12:34.26 | jacekowski | dhbiker: well, you need that library |
| 12:34.28 | FallenWarlock | btw you may have huge problems on Archlinux (like me, I still haven't sloved my problem with flasher...) |
| 12:34.29 | jacekowski | libusb-0.1.so.4 |
| 12:34.32 | jacekowski | 32bit version of it |
| 12:34.56 | jacekowski | http://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/i686/libusb-compat/files/ |
| 12:35.31 | dhbiker | i have compat installed |
| 12:35.36 | dhbiker | but still |
| 12:35.53 | jacekowski | flasher is pita to use on 64bit |
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| 12:36.01 | jacekowski | get 32bit debian |
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| 12:36.03 | zsolt | gotta go.good luck and do it on your own risk |
| 12:36.16 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 12:36.28 | jacekowski | dhbiker: have you got /usr/lib/libusb-0.1.so.4 ? |
| 12:36.38 | zsolt | but read carefully the manuals before |
| 12:37.17 | dhbiker | /usr/lib32/libusb-1.0.so.0.1.0 |
| 12:37.23 | dhbiker | -.- |
| 12:37.27 | zsolt | recomend to download virtualbox and a 32 bit debian |
| 12:37.45 | zsolt | and install vbox extensions |
| 12:38.10 | kerio | isn't the flasher opensource? |
| 12:38.17 | jacekowski | dhbiker: that's kinda wrong version |
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| 12:38.21 | kerio | why did nobody fix the x86_64 version? |
| 12:38.55 | jacekowski | lib32-libusb-compat 0.1.4-2 |
| 12:38.56 | Termana | kerio, flasher is not open source |
| 12:39.00 | jacekowski | you can try with that one |
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| 12:39.07 | kerio | why the hell not |
| 12:39.13 | kerio | why can't nokia release the source for it |
| 12:39.20 | kerio | what has to be so secret about it? |
| 12:39.31 | zsolt | bye |
| 12:39.33 | joga | maybe it's embarrassing |
| 12:39.37 | joga | ;) |
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| 12:40.05 | dhbiker | yup that one did it jacekowski |
| 12:40.06 | Termana | joga, reason number 1 why I keep my source closed: embarrassing coding style... :P |
| 12:40.08 | dhbiker | \o/ |
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| 12:42.40 | SpeedEvil | 'this source is intentionally obfuscated.' |
| 12:42.44 | SpeedEvil | Problem solved. |
| 12:42.59 | SpeedEvil | Woo! |
| 12:43.01 | SpeedEvil | SIP works. |
| 12:43.09 | kerio | Termana: reason number 1 to release embarassing code: someone will rewrite it in a much better way just to prove that you suck and that he's better than you |
| 12:43.29 | dhbiker | USB device found found at bus 001, device address 010. |
| 12:43.29 | dhbiker | Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy |
| 12:43.31 | dhbiker | huh o.O |
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| 12:43.39 | kerio | if you ignore the insulting part, it says there that someone will rewrite your code in a much better way for free |
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| 12:45.59 | Termana | kerio, besides that it was joke, your starting to sound a little butt hurt and a bit free software entitled. |
| 12:46.28 | kerio | Termana: i just bought another n900, and i'm tinkering with it, and i'm getting mildly frustrated |
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| 12:46.37 | kerio | because it could be a lot better, but fucking nokia |
| 12:46.39 | kerio | :'( |
| 12:46.57 | dhbiker | still getting that error -_- |
| 12:47.21 | kerio | dhbiker: are you running it as root? |
| 12:47.26 | dhbiker | yes |
| 12:47.46 | Termana | kerio, Also if you're looking for a flasher that runs on 64 bit, someone wrote a free software version of flasher, two seperate programs one that does cold flashing the other for kernel/userland flashing, the name of them escapes me but if you do a search on tmo you'll probably find it |
| 12:48.09 | Termana | Or whoever was looking for a 64 bit version of flasher |
| 12:48.30 | dhbiker | umm |
| 12:48.39 | dhbiker | orange led started blinking o.O |
| 12:48.43 | dhbiker | instead of flashing |
| 12:50.38 | jacekowski | 0xFFFF |
| 12:51.06 | dhbiker | ok it seems like its charging... i'll leave it if it charges up |
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| 12:57.07 | dhbiker | FallenWarlock: arck is cool but sometimes pain in the ass |
| 12:57.11 | dhbiker | arch* |
| 12:57.27 | FallenWarlock | yeah... |
| 12:57.30 | FallenWarlock | I know |
| 12:57.57 | FallenWarlock | but for me is more user-friendly than ubuntu, mint and other 'user-friendly' distros... |
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| 13:01.41 | dhbiker | brb... moving to my other pc with debian installed |
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| 13:06.14 | jonwil | I think I may have made a mistake telling mappero to pull all the maps for the City of Perth with a range of 1.31054 latitude and 0.46006 longitude... |
| 13:06.23 | jonwil | It said it wanted to download something like 300k maps |
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| 13:07.45 | Termana | jonwil, it couldn't figure out where the hell Perth is or why anyone would want to be there |
| 13:07.53 | vmlemon_ | Hah |
| 13:07.55 | jonwil | Perth is a good city :) |
| 13:09.13 | jonwil | We just need to get rid of all the old people |
| 13:09.52 | jonwil | oh well, worst thing that will happen if I let it go is that it will full up my MyDocs partition and I have to kill it or something |
| 13:10.09 | jonwil | Its plugged into the charger so it shouldn't run out of juice during the download |
| 13:10.29 | jonwil | and its grabbing over WiFi so speed and download quota isn't a problem :) |
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| 13:11.30 | dhbiker | jacekowski: flashed ! and it boots :} |
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| 13:15.04 | kerio | dhbiker: yay! |
| 13:15.07 | kerio | now install cssu |
| 13:15.12 | kerio | well |
| 13:15.13 | kerio | now remove cherry |
| 13:15.15 | kerio | then install cssu |
| 13:15.21 | kerio | then do stuff |
| 13:15.21 | dhbiker | ugh |
| 13:15.26 | dhbiker | everything is so.... |
| 13:15.27 | dhbiker | clean |
| 13:15.28 | dhbiker | xD |
| 13:15.31 | kerio | (cherry = that mynokia crap) |
| 13:15.40 | qwazix_ | I wonder why they chose this name |
| 13:15.55 | freemangordon | jonwil: I cannot find the source of your browsed FOSS replacement, mind to share it on gitorious? |
| 13:16.05 | dhbiker | kerio: cherry ? |
| 13:16.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | zsolt: gone... (should've checked if apt-get autoremove nuked his rtcom-voip-foobar, and enable "use SIP for outbound calls" to show up "sip" dial buttons in contacts) |
| 13:16.45 | qwazix_ | some unhappy foss developer who wanted to pun the fruity-like policies by nokia? |
| 13:16.53 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hm, how's it called? |
| 13:16.54 | jonwil | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/client-server/trunk/server/?root=browser |
| 13:16.59 | kerio | i might have uninstalled it by mistake |
| 13:17.02 | kerio | with css |
| 13:17.03 | kerio | u |
| 13:17.09 | kerio | but i haven't dicked around with autoremove |
| 13:17.10 | kerio | honest |
| 13:17.14 | kerio | ~jrtools |
| 13:17.14 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 13:17.15 | jonwil | Try that |
| 13:17.46 | jonwil | fremangordon, that code I linked to is the official-from-Nokia browserd source and it matches PR1.3.1 |
| 13:18.13 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: huh, i still have it |
| 13:18.21 | kerio | and i haven't marked it manual either, i think |
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| 13:20.30 | kerio | _freemangordon: http://i.imgur.com/O1bVT.jpg Take a look at this, Gordon. |
| 13:20.54 | _freemangordon | hehe |
| 13:20.54 | RiD | yesss |
| 13:22.21 | jonwil | freemangordon, does that source help you |
| 13:22.23 | jonwil | ? |
| 13:22.44 | RiD | jonwil please do not disturb him. He's taking a look at it |
| 13:22.50 | RiD | the image i mean |
| 13:23.11 | _freemangordon | jonwil: unfortuantely not, as in the meanwhile I found whit thumb-compiled libxul segfaults |
| 13:23.27 | _freemangordon | s/whit/why/ |
| 13:23.41 | jonwil | why does it segfault? |
| 13:23.50 | jonwil | Gecko not thumb compatible? |
| 13:24.01 | _freemangordon | well, microb-engine is not |
| 13:24.19 | kerio | jonwil: so... browserd *is* open source! |
| 13:24.35 | _freemangordon | there is an upstream patch for that, I was just applying it, will report in half an hour |
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| 13:24.52 | jonwil | it is open source as of 4 months ago |
| 13:25.16 | kerio | jonwil: cool - so why does it still kinda suck? |
| 13:25.33 | jonwil | because no-one has done anything to browserd yet :P |
| 13:25.46 | jonwil | browserd is open source, as is browser-neteal |
| 13:25.56 | jonwil | tablet-browser-* are still closed through |
| 13:26.03 | jonwil | i.e. the UI |
| 13:26.25 | dhbiker | aww.. i lost repos :( |
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| 13:26.53 | FallenWarlock | dhbiker: because of reflash? |
| 13:27.03 | dhbiker | yes |
| 13:27.13 | kerio | dhbiker: why would you need more than ssu, mr0, extras-devel and community-testing? |
| 13:27.13 | FallenWarlock | don't worry - me too :D |
| 13:27.33 | kerio | dhbiker: protip: install backupmenu and make full backups (they're not that big) often |
| 13:27.56 | dhbiker | ok |
| 13:27.57 | dhbiker | :P |
| 13:29.15 | qwazix_ | dhbiker, alfred's signature on tmo is invaluable |
| 13:29.37 | qwazix_ | google reps are one click away on your device |
| 13:29.38 | dhbiker | hm? |
| 13:29.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70875 |
| 13:30.00 | qwazix_ | he's got .install files for all the repos |
| 13:30.06 | qwazix_ | no need to add repos manually |
| 13:30.16 | dhbiker | where ? xD |
| 13:30.25 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yeah but i still have those |
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| 13:30.33 | kerio | so something fixed that problem |
| 13:30.34 | qwazix_ | google "reps are one click away" |
| 13:30.39 | dhbiker | oh |
| 13:30.43 | dhbiker | oops xD |
| 13:30.47 | dhbiker | tnx qwazix |
| 13:30.53 | Venemo_N9 | hey Estel_, how're you? :) |
| 13:31.06 | Estel_ | hi there :) |
| 13:31.10 | qwazix_ | click on the first result, it's in the signature of Alfred |
| 13:31.15 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hm, i don't have rtcom-accounts-plugin-facebook, but i never installed facebook |
| 13:31.32 | kerio | oh no wait, i do |
| 13:31.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I probably don't have that as well? |
| 13:32.03 | FallenWarlock | I always remove everything with 'facebook' in name |
| 13:32.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and if I have I better get rid of it? X-P |
| 13:32.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah! FallenWarlock, sane idea |
| 13:32.51 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: no, really, my autoremove doesn't want to remove those |
| 13:32.56 | kerio | so your advice is outdated |
| 13:33.02 | kerio | pr1.3.1+cssu-t |
| 13:33.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, depends |
| 13:33.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | we tried to fix it in cssu |
| 13:33.20 | kerio | anyway, i always pay attention if and when i autoremove :) |
| 13:33.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | for me it's not yet fixed however |
| 13:33.50 | dhbiker | qwazix: found it tnx again |
| 13:34.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have to re-install after every other CSSU update |
| 13:34.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | not a big thing to do a apt-get install rtcom-accounts-voip-support |
| 13:34.49 | FallenWarlock | hmm.. I have really no luck with installing other distros/os'es on my N900... I've tried ~50 times to install any diffrent using tutorials and I always fail... what's fun - I installed once nemo and nitdroid without tutorials on first week that I get my N900... |
| 13:35.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | who wants alternative OS anyway? |
| 13:36.16 | FallenWarlock | crazy ppl like me :P |
| 13:36.24 | dhbiker | heh |
| 13:36.27 | kerio | are there plans for proper 720p support in cssu? |
| 13:36.28 | qwazix_ | dhbiker, np |
| 13:36.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | dhbiker: still problems with flashing? |
| 13:36.45 | dhbiker | nope |
| 13:36.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | k |
| 13:36.53 | dhbiker | problems with installing :D |
| 13:36.54 | kerio | no, he managed to flash |
| 13:36.59 | dhbiker | so many stuff got lost |
| 13:37.00 | dhbiker | :( |
| 13:37.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | restore from backup |
| 13:37.17 | dhbiker | i didnt have it |
| 13:37.17 | dhbiker | xD |
| 13:37.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 13:38.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, so now you're free to start all clean&new, and set up a proper and sane system ;-D |
| 13:38.46 | dhbiker | true |
| 13:38.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | first: install CSSU |
| 13:39.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, first install backupmenu |
| 13:39.04 | dhbiker | + i can test equalizer plugin on fresh OS :P |
| 13:39.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | do a backup of your clean fresh system |
| 13:39.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | (it's probably more convenient to restore a clean system than to flash a clean system) |
| 13:40.03 | dhbiker | true |
| 13:40.05 | dhbiker | xD |
| 13:40.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | in case you ever need that |
| 13:40.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | BM-backup! |
| 13:40.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2nd step: install CSSU |
| 13:40.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably Stable |
| 13:41.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | is the one for you |
| 13:41.14 | dhbiker | i always had stable |
| 13:41.19 | dhbiker | and kernel power |
| 13:41.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 13:41.47 | RiD | equalizer plugin? |
| 13:41.52 | dhbiker | haha |
| 13:41.53 | dhbiker | :D |
| 13:41.54 | dhbiker | yes |
| 13:41.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, so I'd install CSSU-S first, then do another BM-backup |
| 13:42.03 | RiD | what kind of plugin, might I ask? |
| 13:42.17 | dhbiker | for pulseaudio |
| 13:42.19 | RiD | so far the player i found with the best EQ is rockbox, but that only allows 4 bands |
| 13:42.23 | kerio | freemangordon: is there a better way to add 720p support than the guide on TMO? |
| 13:42.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | then install PK50(?) |
| 13:42.38 | dhbiker | RiD: mine is 31 band :P |
| 13:42.41 | RiD | but they're fully customizable and not heavy |
| 13:43.06 | RiD | dhbiker that's for studio editing, not media player tweaking LOL |
| 13:43.12 | dhbiker | DocScrutinizer05: what about bfs kernel ? |
| 13:43.17 | dhbiker | RiD: why not ? :P |
| 13:43.24 | RiD | too many bands :O |
| 13:43.28 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: but cssu-s sucks :( |
| 13:43.28 | dhbiker | not really |
| 13:43.45 | RiD | by the way, you have any idea of how heavy it is? |
| 13:43.57 | kerio | dhbiker: the de-facto "standard" for unofficial kernels is KP |
| 13:44.12 | dhbiker | RiD: not so heavy |
| 13:44.52 | RiD | dhbiker i'm asking because i don't know. Someplayer, symphonie and so on use equalizers that make your CPU go 100%. Rockbox has a more lightweight equalizer, but only 4 bands. |
| 13:45.18 | dhbiker | RiD: mine is still in plishing stage... but cpu load is around 30% |
| 13:45.25 | dhbiker | polishing* |
| 13:45.50 | dhbiker | so its not reccomended to install this http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_BFS ? |
| 13:46.31 | RiD | dhbiker nice, i'll love to have it then. (after the polishing) |
| 13:48.03 | kerio | dhbiker: i wouldn't install it |
| 13:48.11 | dhbiker | RiD: ok i'll share it then :P |
| 13:48.22 | dhbiker | kerio: why not ? |
| 13:48.30 | dhbiker | because of the scheduler ? |
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| 13:48.44 | kerio | dhbiker: because it's not KP |
| 13:48.44 | kerio | :) |
| 13:48.44 | dhbiker | wb |
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| 13:48.50 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: what's 05, btw? |
| 13:49.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | debate about sorry, got disconnected |
| 13:49.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 13:49.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, got disconnected |
| 13:49.29 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: dhbiker is asking whether it's worth it to install the kernel-bfs |
| 13:49.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | debate about which scheduler is best is a religion |
| 13:49.40 | kerio | i'm saying it's not, because it's not KP |
| 13:49.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think another scheduler will improve anything |
| 13:49.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, its usefulness yet to be prooved |
| 13:49.54 | dhbiker | it did on my pc :P |
| 13:50.04 | RiD | dhbiker you would be selfish if you didn't share it :o |
| 13:50.22 | user____ | thumbcompiled browserd? |
| 13:50.25 | dhbiker | RiD: haha :D |
| 13:50.33 | user____ | I have the wierdest boner right now. |
| 13:52.09 | Venemo_N9 | dhbiker, sorry I missed the beginning of the discussion. what're you working on? |
| 13:52.10 | dhbiker | damn this app manager is slow |
| 13:52.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | dhbiker: I'd stick with PK, as bfs-kernel is always late, it's a fork of PK and needs a whole maintainer just to keep up with main PK just to introduce an allegedly "better" scheduler |
| 13:52.32 | dhbiker | DocScrutinizer05: k! |
| 13:52.46 | dhbiker | Venemo_N9: equalizer plugin for pulseaudio |
| 13:53.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | while nobody afaik ever checked if that bfs is actually any better than our standard scheduler on N900 |
| 13:53.32 | dhbiker | well... |
| 13:53.38 | dhbiker | i can still try it :P |
| 13:53.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | all based on assumptions and findings on desktop linux |
| 13:54.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | bfs is for "oh leete, another geek gadget" users |
| 13:54.54 | Venemo_N9 | dhbiker, mmhm |
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| 13:55.28 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: oh come on DS |
| 13:55.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | those who show off their uname -a |
| 13:55.48 | vi_ | some people are into harcore fiddling. |
| 13:56.12 | vi_ | dont make out they are retards because of it. |
| 13:56.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, fine for them then |
| 13:56.22 | dhbiker | DocScrutinizer05: you mean like this : Linux 4rch 3.4.4-4-ck #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Jul 3 16:21:34 EDT 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux ? :P |
| 13:56.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, kinda |
| 13:56.53 | vi_ | dhbiker: pff, u noob. |
| 13:56.59 | RiD | i'd rather show off my physical leg |
| 13:57.02 | dhbiker | vi_ ? |
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| 13:57.08 | freemangordon | vi_: any mails? |
| 13:57.14 | vi_ | dhbiker: it is a joke. |
| 13:57.19 | vi_ | freemangordon: nope. |
| 13:57.24 | vi_ | freemangordon: ffs. |
| 13:57.25 | freemangordon | :S |
| 13:57.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_'s point is taken, but those "users" won't ask "should I get bfs-kernel?" |
| 13:57.36 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: agree. |
| 13:58.09 | dhbiker | i'm asking since i'm not a pro on N900's capabilities |
| 13:58.10 | dhbiker | :P |
| 13:58.13 | freemangordon | the final nail: kernel-bfs is nto supported by its maintainers for the last 4 os so months |
| 13:58.24 | Venemo_N9 | lol |
| 13:58.26 | dhbiker | DocScrutinizer05: backupmenu ? |
| 13:58.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch |
| 13:58.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm |
| 13:58.34 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 13:58.34 | dhbiker | ouch... KP it is |
| 13:58.35 | dhbiker | xD |
| 13:58.36 | freemangordon | you may ask iDont |
| 13:58.40 | dhbiker | k |
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| 13:59.11 | RiD | ~rid |
| 13:59.23 | RiD | stupid bot |
| 13:59.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | you may ignore as well, as bfs is not any mandatory option for you |
| 13:59.34 | RiD | oh it's dumb bot not stupid |
| 13:59.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~rid is a bot hater |
| 13:59.51 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 14:00.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~rid |
| 14:00.19 | infobot | hmm... rid is a bot hater |
| 14:00.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget rid |
| 14:00.38 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot rid |
| 14:01.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~attack RiD |
| 14:01.16 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing RiD |
| 14:01.40 | vi_ | backupmenu is MANDATORY. |
| 14:01.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 14:02.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | should've been in stock maemo since PR1.0, tbh |
| 14:02.25 | vi_ | to qaulify for TMO extended warranty you need to install Backupmenu. |
| 14:02.36 | vi_ | ^qualify |
| 14:02.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | all hail to robbiethe1st for providing this |
| 14:02.49 | dhbiker | Boot the N900 with the Keyboard open <--- nice xD |
| 14:03.03 | vi_ | PRAISE HIS MIGHT. |
| 14:03.11 | dhbiker | _O_ |
| 14:03.45 | RiD | dhbiker what is the difference? O_o |
| 14:03.51 | kerio | hail o/ |
| 14:04.09 | dhbiker | RiD: difference in ? |
| 14:04.21 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: but it would confuse the poor users who turn on their n900 with the keyboard open :P |
| 14:04.34 | RiD | Boot the N900 with the Keyboard open <--- nice xD |
| 14:04.38 | kerio | yeah, a restore mode that you access by holding "r" at boot time would've been neat |
| 14:05.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: you invoke BM this way |
| 14:05.12 | Venemo_N9 | DocScrutinizer05, I still remember the time when you were against it. :) |
| 14:05.18 | dhbiker | haha |
| 14:05.20 | vi_ | that is an order of magnitude harder to implement. |
| 14:05.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Venemo_N9: never |
| 14:05.56 | RiD | DocScrutinizer05 oh >.< |
| 14:05.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | Venemo_N9: I just objected it using dd for restoring NAND, which robbiethe1st fixed after I spotted that ugly bug |
| 14:06.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's when we got BM2 |
| 14:06.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | wich is all awesome |
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| 14:07.28 | dhbiker | DocScrutinizer05: should i make a backup right after the cssu or after all the sutff is installed ? |
| 14:07.45 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: well, what's so bad about using dd to restore a NAND? |
| 14:07.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | meanwhile I figured you could use mtdtools instead dd, and I'm again piushing for a BM improvement, so it could actually also backup/restore kernels :-D |
| 14:07.55 | kerio | i mean, if it's the same physical chip |
| 14:08.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: it has some *very* weird bad block management that's incompatible with dd |
| 14:08.36 | kerio | tru dat |
| 14:08.54 | kerio | but what's the problem with restoring a backup you made of the same chip? the bad blocks are going to be the same, aren't they |
| 14:09.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | your "same chip" might have accquired a new bad block since you did that backup |
| 14:09.21 | kerio | ...good point |
| 14:09.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | restoring that backup you're busted |
| 14:09.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure you're doomed using this for migrating from one device to another |
| 14:13.04 | kerio | backupmenu has my approval, btw |
| 14:13.09 | kerio | i successfully restored a backup |
| 14:13.18 | kerio | ^_^ |
| 14:13.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | BM is mere awesome |
| 14:13.42 | kerio | wtf is signond? |
| 14:13.53 | dhbiker | i didnt even know BM xD |
| 14:14.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | we need some education of "unwashed masses" it seems ;-D |
| 14:14.55 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: these are all people who didn't install cssu properly |
| 14:14.58 | kerio | it's in the instructions |
| 14:15.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey everybody GET BACKUPMENU app! it's the most important thing on maemo ever |
| 14:15.24 | kerio | ^ that's true |
| 14:15.33 | kerio | it would only be slightly worse than an app that gives you blowjobs |
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| 14:15.52 | kerio | and even then, you'd still want to install it, so you can backup the app that gives you blowjobs |
| 14:16.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 14:16.04 | dhbiker | kerio: i had CSSU installed properly |
| 14:16.09 | kerio | dhbiker: not really |
| 14:16.12 | dhbiker | not sure why it bricked |
| 14:16.18 | dhbiker | kerio: why not really |
| 14:16.22 | kerio | the instructions clearly state "install backupmenu and make a full backup" |
| 14:16.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | because the instructions tell you to get BM |
| 14:16.32 | dhbiker | ok i might skip that |
| 14:16.33 | dhbiker | xD |
| 14:16.46 | Termana | kerio, signond is apart of the accounts framework on the N9 |
| 14:16.59 | kerio | cool, i didn't know i had a n9 |
| 14:16.59 | dhbiker | i have the backup now so... |
| 14:17.02 | kerio | i thought i had a n900 |
| 14:17.10 | dhbiker | lol kerio |
| 14:17.12 | dhbiker | xD |
| 14:17.17 | Termana | Well, it probably does the same thing on the N900 |
| 14:17.25 | *** join/#maemo NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD29044.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:17.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 14:17.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc what it does exactly |
| 14:18.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | something along authenticating to maemo repos I guess |
| 14:18.36 | dhbiker | n900 has nfc too o.O |
| 14:19.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, when I hit you with it |
| 14:19.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 14:19.07 | NIN101 | ~nfc |
| 14:19.07 | infobot | i guess nfc is No Fucking Clue, or near field communications |
| 14:19.20 | dhbiker | lol |
| 14:20.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | Termana: how's life down there? |
| 14:20.45 | Termana | DocScrutinizer05, life is fine. Weather is crap |
| 14:20.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah yeah, winter on your side |
| 14:21.17 | dhbiker | i love winter |
| 14:21.20 | dhbiker | where can i sign ? |
| 14:21.21 | dhbiker | :D |
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| 14:21.27 | dhbiker | 36 C here -.- |
| 14:22.02 | RiD | who hates summer |
| 14:22.09 | dhbiker | o/ |
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| 14:22.48 | RiD | i love summer, o_o |
| 14:22.51 | dhbiker | i dont |
| 14:23.27 | Termana | Personally, I would just like a WARM day. Not broken dial really turned up to 11 hot and not pulled the dial off to 0 cold. |
| 14:25.02 | Venemo_N9 | Termana, this is a pretty warm day here... |
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| 14:28.09 | Termana | Venemo_N9, too bad I'm not looking to move to Europe :p |
| 14:28.21 | Estel_ | as for Voip, i'm wondering what is causing this irritating bug with choppy voice calls on N900 |
| 14:28.33 | Estel_ | that get semi"fixed" by hanging call and immediately activating it |
| 14:29.03 | Estel_ | i.e. the thing that makes conversation quality worse and worse as time passes, then, after hanging and activating, it's all clear again. |
| 14:29.07 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: do you run powerkernel? |
| 14:29.20 | Estel_ | there is ages opld bug on bugzilla for it, even nokians investigated it - no one found true solution or case :( |
| 14:29.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | on my daily phone? no |
| 14:29.32 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: do you have choppy voip? |
| 14:29.36 | Estel_ | vi_, I suggest trying thumb kernel :) |
| 14:29.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | on my test devices yes |
| 14:29.43 | vi_ | coincidence? |
| 14:29.56 | Estel_ | vi_, choppy voip happens in stock kernel too |
| 14:30.03 | Venemo_N9 | Termana, where're you? |
| 14:30.17 | Estel_ | furthermore, sometime it happens, sometime not. Hanging and activating always "fixes" it for a while |
| 14:30.21 | vi_ | voip works seems to work on stock kernel. |
| 14:30.30 | vi_ | for me. |
| 14:30.41 | vi_ | It is an epic pain in the scrotum. |
| 14:30.45 | Estel_ | bug report was full of people on stock experiencing this |
| 14:30.59 | Estel_ | yea, it's irritating, but lets clear things - do you reffer to same thing, i.e. |
| 14:31.09 | Estel_ | initially quality is great, then, gradually, it looks like packet lost? |
| 14:31.20 | Termana | Venemo_N9, South Australia, eventually looking to move to the US though (*waits for the patronizing scolds from all the Europeans* :p), not for the weather though |
| 14:31.20 | Estel_ | i.e. more and more disortions, as time passes? linear way? |
| 14:31.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: (choppy voip) usually not |
| 14:31.33 | vi_ | It quickly degrades to worthless. |
| 14:31.37 | Estel_ | vi, yes |
| 14:31.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless connectivity is flawed |
| 14:31.48 | Estel_ | and hanging call and re-activating it immediately makes it clear again. |
| 14:31.55 | Estel_ | even on best connection |
| 14:32.13 | Estel_ | it was confirmed that it's something in MAemo, but no one know where and what |
| 14:32.24 | Venemo_N9 | Termana, I thought Australia had a nice weathet |
| 14:32.25 | Venemo_N9 | r |
| 14:32.34 | Estel_ | sometimes it happens after 2 minutes, and sometimes, after 30 minutes - although, it seems that it's just matter of how fast it happens, not "if" |
| 14:33.04 | Estel_ | vi_, if you wait long enough, it degrades to absolute silence. |
| 14:33.17 | Estel_ | although, only for You - 2nd party hears You well |
| 14:33.19 | Estel_ | usually |
| 14:33.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually not happening to me, even after 30min |
| 14:33.44 | Estel_ | some people got better results with power saving off, although, finally, it turned out to be unrelated, or not directly related |
| 14:33.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I often have initial bad quality though, that never recovers |
| 14:34.01 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, sounds like other kind of problem |
| 14:34.03 | Termana | Venemo_N9, maybe in a more north/east state like Queensland or maybe New South Wales would be better weather than SA. |
| 14:34.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 14:34.27 | Estel_ | well, as long as i remember we have two such mysterious bugs |
| 14:34.32 | Estel_ | 1 is "reboot bug" |
| 14:34.45 | Estel_ | and 2nd, even more ancient, is that voip thing |
| 14:34.57 | Estel_ | vi_, out of curiosity, try disabling power saving |
| 14:35.00 | Estel_ | for wifi |
| 14:35.06 | Estel_ | and see if it happens less often/slower |
| 14:35.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think a close inspection of tshark protocol should reveal something |
| 14:35.37 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, wait, i'll post a bug report about it, it's epic long with many failed ideas |
| 14:35.50 | Termana | Venemo_N9, I'm probably just not much of a winter person. I don't like the cold. And during summer we can start to get really hot here, but generally it is better. |
| 14:36.23 | Estel_ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 |
| 14:36.26 | povbot_ | 04Bug 10388: Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? |
| 14:36.32 | Estel_ | title is wrong |
| 14:36.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: a tshark protocol would clearly show if inbound RTP has jitter/packet-loss, or if the problem is generic maemo/PA/libsofiasip |
| 14:36.42 | Estel_ | it turned out to be not power saving dependent |
| 14:36.54 | Estel_ | nods |
| 14:37.04 | Estel_ | probably yes, although, I'm not sure if someone haven't tried that alreadfy |
| 14:37.08 | Estel_ | already* |
| 14:37.30 | Estel_ | also, it's not happening for other inbounds... |
| 14:37.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | in my book it's related to far end and the way RTP is handled there |
| 14:37.48 | Estel_ | quite possible |
| 14:38.00 | Venemo_N9 | Termana, I hate cold too! |
| 14:38.11 | Estel_ | but how and why? btw, sofiasip is FOSS, yep? |
| 14:42.46 | dhbiker | Maemo.Org Coding Competition 2012 ... i want n950 :( |
| 14:43.12 | Venemo_N9 | :) |
| 14:43.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: for example if far end starts with slightly too high pace on RTP packets, and libsofiasip sends out those RTP-feedback-msgs resulting in far end not reducing but even increasing packet rate, this could well result in such a problem |
| 14:43.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | or the other way round |
| 14:44.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | libsofiasip sends "I lost 3 packets", far end thinks "duh, so I have to be too fast" and reduces packet pace even more |
| 14:45.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: this is very much handwaving, not based on detailled knowledge and observed patterns |
| 14:45.46 | Estel_ | sure, but how can we prove this theory, and even more important, fix it? |
| 14:45.54 | Estel_ | it would require coder looking into it |
| 14:45.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | prove: tshark |
| 14:46.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | fix: libsofiasip for example |
| 14:46.27 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, care to write comment in bugziolla? Nokians are not watching it anymore, but many, many interested people still are subscribed to this bug |
| 14:46.28 | Estel_ | report |
| 14:46.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | wireshark has powerful dissectors for RTP |
| 14:47.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're free to add a quote of what I said |
| 14:47.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not encountering this particular bug, so I don't feel like commenting on the ticket |
| 14:48.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all bugzilla isn't a forum thread where you discuss stuff |
| 14:48.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | you add facts there |
| 14:49.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | not common knowledge facts, rather facts closely related to the particular bug |
| 14:49.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | for a more relaxed discussion there's IRC and tmo |
| 14:52.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: (sofiasip) yes it's part of telepathy and afaik FOSS |
| 14:54.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | dhbiker: your EQ might make it - only if you change that prime number 31 to a sane 32 ;-) |
| 14:54.28 | NIN101 | anyone knows something in detail or even heard about the bug were maemo dies at booting 1-2 times until it works in the third attempt? |
| 14:55.01 | Stskeeps | NIN101: probably a battery condition |
| 14:55.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 14:55.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101: also PK had that problem with FB enabled |
| 14:56.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | somehow framebuffer ooops'ed the kernel 2 out of three times |
| 14:56.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask MohammadAG about it |
| 14:56.38 | NIN101 | hmm, I have fb enabled but not power kernel. |
| 14:56.49 | NIN101 | but I guess it doesn't matter. |
| 14:56.55 | NIN101 | whether pk or not. |
| 14:57.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | PK vs stock with FB? probably same thing |
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| 14:57.29 | NIN101 | yeah. |
| 14:57.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | something in setting up the gfx engine fecked out on random |
| 14:58.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 14:58.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | check mtd-oops |
| 14:58.38 | NIN101 | I did, nothing. |
| 14:58.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think it should tell something about the issue |
| 14:58.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ |
| 14:59.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | check battery, indeed |
| 14:59.30 | NIN101 | battery condition as in old-battery or low-battery? |
| 14:59.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, worn battery |
| 15:00.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | might drop below V-good during that time from NOLO till BME kicks in |
| 15:00.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101: some logger lines in initscripts might help |
| 15:01.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | to spot the issue |
| 15:01.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | checked bootreason? |
| 15:02.29 | Macer | nobody wants to buy my n900 screen from ebay for $20 lol |
| 15:02.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh |
| 15:02.48 | NIN101 | it's always power key. |
| 15:02.53 | Macer | i thought $20 was fair ;) |
| 15:02.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | complete screen with digitizer, in good condition? |
| 15:03.04 | Macer | yes |
| 15:03.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: you'd ship to Germany? |
| 15:03.49 | Macer | i'd have to check rates to germany but sure... doesn't matter to me. it's just a trip to the USPS |
| 15:04.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | linkie please |
| 15:04.26 | Macer | well.. it's up for bid but the reserve is $20 |
| 15:04.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | URL or it won't happen |
| 15:05.35 | Macer | http://www.ebay.com/itm/261062352045?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 |
| 15:05.38 | Macer | heh |
| 15:05.57 | Macer | first time trying to sell somethign on ebay |
| 15:06.02 | Macer | never really bothered with it for sales |
| 15:06.20 | Macer | figured i'd try it out... i have a bunch of junk i can probably clear out that is just taking up space but people might want |
| 15:06.24 | NIN101 | bbl |
| 15:06.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | buy now for 50? nah! |
| 15:06.37 | Macer | hahha... well.. figured i'd find someone desperate |
| 15:06.41 | Macer | but the reserve is 20 ;) |
| 15:07.17 | Macer | with $5 for standard shipping but i didn't add international shipping |
| 15:07.25 | Macer | for something that light tho i doubt it would cost much |
| 15:09.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, ebay sucks. I'd rather transfer 25$ to your paypal account and post you my addr |
| 15:10.47 | Macer | well. i'm not really sure it is within the ebay rules to take an item down once it is up |
| 15:11.24 | Macer | i have no idea tho... first thing i have ever tried to sell on ebay heh |
| 15:11.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, it's broken or whatever. You can't sell any goods you don't posess anymore |
| 15:12.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I'd be willing to pay 30 for the whole broken N900 |
| 15:12.45 | Macer | cant... the board still has sensitive data on it |
| 15:12.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 15:13.00 | trumee | my vfat partition is giving error, and fsck is failing http://pastie.org/4220703 |
| 15:13.08 | trumee | anything i can do? |
| 15:13.18 | Macer | that is why i didnt try to sell it with the broken usb port |
| 15:13.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | reflash |
| 15:13.36 | Macer | i'd have to put it back together :-P no thanks |
| 15:13.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: I see |
| 15:13.43 | trumee | DocScrutinizer05: uggh. dont like that option. have done a lot of customisations |
| 15:13.44 | Macer | i'd rather take a hammer to it |
| 15:13.48 | SpeedEvil | Macer: If it's had no bids, it's fine |
| 15:13.52 | Macer | just as much hassle ;) |
| 15:14.10 | Macer | than to do all that work for $10 extra |
| 15:14.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: well, keep the mainboard, give me the rest of it |
| 15:14.55 | Macer | oh... the plastics etc? |
| 15:15.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, maybe even domesheet too |
| 15:15.11 | Macer | let me see if they are still on the table |
| 15:16.08 | Macer | yeah i have them it seems |
| 15:16.24 | Macer | i'll add it to the pics in a few... going to take a shower and eat right now |
| 15:16.33 | Macer | just finished running |
| 15:16.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't need pics on fleabay |
| 15:16.44 | Macer | with endomondo... on my lumia 900 :-P |
| 15:16.56 | Macer | hides |
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| 15:21.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: package everything nicely, take a picture of the open package and send it to me together with your paypal account while asking for my addr to put on the package. I'll post you my addr and paypal the money. |
| 15:23.09 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i'll sell you my n900-with-broken-usb |
| 15:23.10 | kerio | for 80€ |
| 15:23.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | too much |
| 15:23.28 | kerio | hey, screens go for 50€, haven't you heard? :P |
| 15:25.01 | Macer | €50 = $10 |
| 15:25.12 | kerio | true story |
| 15:27.46 | vi_ | hah, and to think I GIVE my spare parts to members of the community so they can fix their n900s. |
| 15:32.12 | kerio | i'm still waiting for DocScrutinizer05 to offer a n900 ram upgrade service at a reasonable price, btw |
| 15:32.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: ?? |
| 15:32.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: haha |
| 15:32.45 | SpeedEvil | I couldn't find anywhere to source the RAM, or I'd give it a go. |
| 15:33.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, RAM POP hard to find |
| 15:33.15 | dhbiker | hmm |
| 15:33.19 | dhbiker | installed KP |
| 15:33.25 | dhbiker | and its still booting nokia kernel |
| 15:33.27 | dhbiker | o.O |
| 15:33.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 15:33.53 | kerio | dhbiker: did you install kernel-power-flasher? |
| 15:33.58 | dhbiker | yes |
| 15:34.03 | kerio | you're lying |
| 15:34.04 | kerio | you liar |
| 15:34.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need the holy threefold |
| 15:34.10 | kerio | stop lying |
| 15:34.21 | dhbiker | wait what |
| 15:34.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | kernel, modules, flasher |
| 15:34.31 | dhbiker | it was marked for install |
| 15:34.33 | dhbiker | wtf |
| 15:35.00 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: and -config, too! |
| 15:35.05 | kerio | no, settings? |
| 15:35.09 | kerio | what's the userland tool called? |
| 15:35.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaaand you need to install in correct sequence |
| 15:35.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: not needed |
| 15:35.37 | Macer | off to food lol.. later |
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| 15:35.51 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: wait, i always just installed kernel-power-flasher and it pulled everything else with deps |
| 15:36.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | should, yeah |
| 15:36.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least I guess it should |
| 15:36.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I always installed it via apt-get ;-P |
| 15:36.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even dpkg |
| 15:37.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | since I usually downloadede the .dpk from $somewhere |
| 15:39.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know, more often than not the PK version I wanted wasn't in any repo |
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| 15:40.05 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why wouldn't you want the latest version? |
| 15:40.34 | trumee | how long does fsck take on the vfat partition, http://pastie.org/4220793 ? |
| 15:40.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe because I used a version somebody patched beyond latest version, with some stuff we like to test |
| 15:40.48 | trumee | it has been going for about 30 minutes now |
| 15:41.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: maybe the latest version never showed up in repo for quite several months |
| 15:41.15 | trumee | DocScrutinizer05: is it safe to kill fsck? |
| 15:41.27 | kerio | ~8ball |
| 15:41.27 | infobot | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Without a doubt |
| 15:41.30 | kerio | no |
| 15:41.31 | kerio | bad infobot |
| 15:41.40 | kerio | trumee: what infobot meant to say was "all signs point to no" |
| 15:41.47 | trumee | kerio: right |
| 15:41.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: when running via mass storage - looong. When running on device - possibly infinite |
| 15:42.02 | kerio | hahaha |
| 15:42.07 | trumee | fsck doesnt give out much verbose info! |
| 15:42.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: yes, usually it shouldn't do too much additional destruction |
| 15:42.42 | trumee | DocScrutinizer05: safe to kill? |
| 15:43.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 15:43.13 | trumee | DocScrutinizer05: cool |
| 15:43.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | in a sense of: |
| 15:43.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's fuckedup anywaqy |
| 15:43.43 | kerio | trumee: well, you have backups anyway |
| 15:43.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | so only the way it's fuckedup might have changed |
| 15:43.44 | kerio | RIGHT? |
| 15:44.22 | trumee | kerio: backup was from last year! |
| 15:44.32 | RST38h | yawns and swallows a live dormouse. |
| 15:44.36 | kerio | great, that means that you have done nothing important since last year |
| 15:44.40 | RST38h | So, gentlemen, what's cooking? |
| 15:44.44 | kerio | because if you did, you would've made backups |
| 15:44.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik fsck tries to keep as little as possible in RAM, only doing write before delete |
| 15:44.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | to move blocks |
| 15:45.11 | trumee | i need a cron to auto-backup overnight |
| 15:45.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict dormouse |
| 15:47.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: that's not really panning out - backup app has no way to do unattended backups (missing cmdline interface), and BM needs to be run during boot anyway |
| 15:47.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | best thing you can probably get is backup via rsync to PC |
| 15:47.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | see |
| 15:48.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 15:48.01 | infobot | it has been said that jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
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| 15:49.42 | trumee | DocScrutinizer05: cant i save the db files for calendar and contacts themselves (i need to backup only these) |
| 15:50.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 15:50.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | but the more convenient way is to backup all |
| 15:50.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | or to use backup app |
| 15:51.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | which knows how to export contacts and callendar to xml or vcards or whatever iirc - of course it's closed source so you couldn't reuse that for your own backup solution |
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| 15:57.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: recommended recovery path for corrupted fs: make a physical image of the /dev/device on PC, then reflash the N900 |
| 15:57.59 | trumee | DocScrutinizer05: using dd? |
| 15:58.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsck on flash storage is no good idea anyway |
| 15:58.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 15:58.57 | trumee | DocScrutinizer05: thanks |
| 15:58.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I fail to recall any success story on fixing flash fs with fsck |
| 15:59.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | on PC you loopmont the image, and then you can fsck and whatever you like, to recover data |
| 16:01.57 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: wait, it's not a flash device, is it |
| 16:02.04 | kerio | it's the eMMC |
| 16:02.10 | trumee | DocScrutinizer05: ah so fsck on PC and dd back to the device? |
| 16:02.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's flash, no? |
| 16:02.32 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you're not supposed to know it's flash |
| 16:02.34 | kerio | it's a perfect block device |
| 16:02.54 | kerio | kinda like a SD |
| 16:02.56 | dhbiker | Install the package kernel-power-settings <--- did it... doesnt work |
| 16:02.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: nah, after you rewcovered the fs on PC, you simply copy the files to freshly formatted eMMC |
| 16:03.28 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: he could just mkfs.vfat, i doubt there's a lot of important stuff in mydocs |
| 16:03.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: sure. Nevertheless writinf highly random blocks on flash is a bad idea |
| 16:04.19 | kerio | meh |
| 16:04.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | evidence: fsck on N900 will take days or weeks, if it ever finishes at all |
| 16:05.04 | kerio | that's because the N900 sucks :P |
| 16:05.22 | kerio | and/or its fsck.vfat sucks |
| 16:05.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | esp since fsck needs quite some ram to sort the fecked metadata, and that's a sparse resource on N900 |
| 16:05.50 | kerio | only because you still haven't started the ram upgrade service! |
| 16:05.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it's going to swap... to eMMC ;-P |
| 16:06.07 | kerio | and it would be immensely better with cssu-thumb! |
| 16:06.14 | kerio | but the man doesn't want to know that :C |
| 16:06.23 | kerio | *want you |
| 16:08.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, for vfat aka MyDocs you probably could as well do mkfs.vfat |
| 16:08.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | for /home however I guess flashing vanilla is your best bet |
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| 16:10.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and since flashing vanilla a) kills MyDocs as well, and b) requires flashing combined as well, it's a complete reflash then |
| 16:10.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: you said MyDocs or /Home was defect? |
| 16:11.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah vfat partition, so MyDocs |
| 16:12.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to recall one user trying that on-device and it didn't finish even after 10h |
| 16:30.45 | trumee | DocScrutinizer05: mine came out clean. now it is behaving |
| 16:31.22 | trumee | is there any shop in london which can fix the usb port? |
| 16:31.52 | jacekowski | there is no way to fix it in most cases |
| 16:32.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr? |
| 16:32.14 | trumee | jacekowski: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 suggests few ways? |
| 16:32.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfix |
| 16:32.22 | infobot | methinks usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 16:32.42 | jacekowski | trumee: that's before it happens |
| 16:32.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 16:33.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.19 | trumee | jacekowski: i am in the *before* stage |
| 16:33.41 | trumee | my device doesnt charge from the wall adaptor these days, however it charges well from the PC |
| 16:34.12 | trumee | not sure if it is a usb port problem or not |
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| 16:36.37 | jacekowski | with same cable? |
| 16:36.49 | jacekowski | but it's a worn usb port |
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| 16:36.51 | jacekowski | probably |
| 16:36.54 | trumee | jacekowski: no a different cable |
| 16:36.54 | jacekowski | you can fix that |
| 16:37.02 | jacekowski | you will have to replace it |
| 16:37.10 | trumee | jacekowski: replace what? |
| 16:37.14 | jacekowski | socket |
| 16:37.27 | trumee | jacekowski: usb male socket on the cable? |
| 16:37.57 | jacekowski | no |
| 16:37.58 | jacekowski | on the phone |
| 16:38.32 | trumee | ok, thats much more work |
| 16:38.54 | trumee | i was hoping some shop could do that for me |
| 16:39.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: I honestly doubt it's your usb port that's the culprit here |
| 16:39.41 | jacekowski | it is |
| 16:39.54 | jacekowski | well, try it with same cable |
| 16:39.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | go reinforce your port nevertheless! ;-D |
| 16:40.02 | jacekowski | and if it works with one and not the other |
| 16:40.06 | jacekowski | then it's worn usb port |
| 16:40.39 | trumee | funny thing is that yesterday when i was charding it, the led was glowing light red even when the display was 'on' |
| 16:41.05 | trumee | that was when i was charging it in the car (using sygic for maps). |
| 16:43.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | when with one receptacle one plug works and the other one not, it's according to logic the plug that's broken, not the receptacle |
| 16:45.41 | jacekowski | it may be worn socket |
| 16:45.50 | jacekowski | and beter springs in one plug |
| 16:45.53 | jacekowski | so that one works |
| 16:45.57 | jacekowski | the other one not so much |
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| 16:51.29 | trumee | is it ok to charge using TomTom wall adaptor marked as 5V/1A |
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| 16:52.45 | trumee | TomTom charger has a normal 'A' usb port, hence i can try different cables |
| 16:56.01 | jacekowski | yes |
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| 16:58.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | it may lack the mandatory D+- short |
| 16:59.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | which may result in charging failing |
| 16:59.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/may/will/ |
| 17:00.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger |
| 17:00.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1 == charger with D+- short plugged in |
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| 17:01.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus |
| 17:02.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1 == 5V at USB vbus + detected |
| 17:03.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: yiu plug in your charger that doesn't work to powered down device, when it turn on (LED flashing etc) this means the charger provided 5V |
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| 17:05.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | when it turns on but doesn't start to charge, odds are Data Lines D+ D- are not shorted. This may mean your USB receptacle is defect, or your charger/cable is defect |
| 17:05.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | when your device gets recogniced by PC when plugging it in there, this strongly indicates your D+ D- lines are all ok |
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| 17:06.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course the whole charging problem could also be caused by mere software flaw |
| 17:06.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. when - for whatever reason - bme freaks out |
| 17:08.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: I *might* think of bme not working properly when MyDocs is corrupt, but working flawlessly with MyDocs exposed via USB mass storage mode to PC and thus not even mounted on N900 |
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| 17:09.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: LED glowing red while charging points in general direction of a fsckdup battery though, which as well might cause troubles with FASTcharger but still may work with a humble 500mA charging current from PC |
| 17:10.17 | trumee | DocScrutinizer05: crap, the charger itself doesnt work! |
| 17:10.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much |
| 17:11.16 | trumee | DocScrutinizer05: charger itself is broken, hadnt used in a long time. well! |
| 17:11.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I got one borked Nokia fastcharger here as well |
| 17:11.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems they are dirt cheap chinese make |
| 17:12.06 | dhbiker | i have original charger... works for me |
| 17:12.07 | dhbiker | :p |
| 17:12.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | dhbiker: yep, 3 out of 4 work for me as well |
| 17:12.31 | trumee | OT:i have tomtom one v3 kicking around whose internal drive has screwed up. dont know what to do with it. it boots up fine, but fails when accessing the hdd. |
| 17:12.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | one out of four broke though |
| 17:12.45 | dhbiker | oh ? |
| 17:12.47 | dhbiker | strange |
| 17:13.20 | trumee | my orginal charger developed necking around the usb port. guess it couldnt take too much 'bending' in bed. |
| 17:14.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: general statement about chargers: everything with 5V and 1A or better is fine, if it has a micro-b plug and D+ D- shorted |
| 17:15.20 | trumee | DocScrutinizer05: cheers |
| 17:15.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 17:15.38 | ThreeM | never broke usb port on my device. no problem here. i wish my Specialized demo was so strong :/ |
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| 17:32.00 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: iirc my old usb port initially presented the same behaviour |
| 17:32.14 | kerio | wallcharger stopped working, usb cable worked |
| 17:32.18 | kerio | then usb cable stopped working |
| 17:32.24 | kerio | and then sadness |
| 17:32.28 | kerio | and then another n900 ^_^ |
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| 17:35.58 | MrPingu | Still on my first n900 :D |
| 17:36.18 | Lava_Croft | 3rd here |
| 17:36.23 | Lava_Croft | but the second is in my drawer |
| 17:36.27 | Lava_Croft | just a broken lens glass |
| 17:36.28 | Lava_Croft | :< |
| 17:36.52 | dhbiker | 1st n900 here :P |
| 17:38.36 | MrPingu | It's about 1,5 years old. Longest period i did with 1 phone so far |
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| 17:55.58 | qwazix_ | useless info: unison on the N900 created errors in my fat partition twice (when copying huge amounts of data) and an fsck did resolve the problem after 3 days or so |
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| 18:32.22 | RST38h | Meanwhile: NYPD has created a 'wanted' poster for a Harlem couple who film cops conducting stop-and-frisks and post the videos on YouTube branding them 'professional agitators' who portray cops in a bad light |
| 18:32.27 | Stskeeps | it's a RST38h |
| 18:32.29 | RST38h | Lovely. |
| 18:32.49 | RST38h | Moo, Stskeeps! Are you on that undead Meego story? |
| 18:32.56 | RST38h | Or even onboard at Jolla? =) |
| 18:33.03 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i am all about necrophilia |
| 18:33.12 | Stskeeps | it's mer, though, but sure |
| 18:33.13 | RST38h | Ain't we all, yesss... |
| 18:33.27 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Does Jolla have any relation to Mer? |
| 18:33.45 | Stskeeps | RST38h: Jolla has been in stealth contributing to Mer for quite a while now and is based on mer |
| 18:33.55 | RST38h | Stskeeps: !!! |
| 18:34.11 | Stskeeps | RST38h: so, a good open source citizen |
| 18:38.52 | Sicelo | hmm, btw how much swap does N9 come configured with by default? |
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| 18:45.01 | Sicelo | hmm, |
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| 19:03.39 | qwazix_ | Sicelo, none |
| 19:03.48 | qwazix_ | only 256mb of ramzswap |
| 19:04.01 | Sicelo | yeah, i just noticed in the wikipedia page now |
| 19:04.03 | RST38h | more than enough I suspect |
| 19:04.23 | RST38h | given that zeros compress really well |
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| 19:30.34 | SpeedEvil | Random question. Can I have multiple SIP phones active connected to teh same 'number' ? |
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| 19:36.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, multiple user clients on one regiustrar? sure |
| 19:37.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | on my sipgate.de number there are 5 and more clients at times |
| 19:37.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | nasty: all but the one client where I accept the call list any inbound as "missed call" |
| 19:37.58 | qwazix_ | going mad... |
| 19:38.12 | qwazix_ | I have a Qt function that prints time |
| 19:38.35 | qwazix_ | It always prints 22:07. That is the time I first run the program |
| 19:38.59 | SpeedEvil | thanks |
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| 19:39.07 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 19:39.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | welcome mate! |
| 19:39.12 | qwazix_ | The madness is that I have rebuilt and reinstalled the whole thing at least 10 times since then |
| 19:39.22 | SpeedEvil | My android tablet is doing the 'insufficient storage space' thing. |
| 19:39.31 | SpeedEvil | remembers optification. |
| 19:39.48 | SpeedEvil | has no idea why it thinks this - it's got plenty of free space according to df. |
| 19:40.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: lol |
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| 19:41.14 | qwazix_ | Maybe it's the end of time? 8/7/12 22:07 |
| 19:44.43 | qwazix_ | !!22:07!! qDebug shows the correct time, but on the screen 22:07 |
| 19:48.38 | qwazix_ | oops... |
| 19:48.47 | qwazix_ | i was printing the hour and... |
| 19:48.50 | qwazix_ | month! |
| 19:48.55 | Stskeeps | haha |
| 19:49.40 | qwazix_ | note to self: stop programming after 10 hours straight |
| 19:54.39 | FallenWarlock | qwazix_: why? |
| 19:54.53 | FallenWarlock | after 24 hours you can enter the matrix |
| 19:55.27 | qwazix_ | FallenWarlock, really? I should try that. |
| 19:55.49 | qwazix_ | I always wanted to stare at code and see GUI :) |
| 19:56.53 | vmlemon_ | Eventually, you end up dreaming of cool features that you can't actually implement. ;) |
| 19:59.26 | qwazix_ | vmlemon_, that's already started |
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| 20:00.01 | qwazix_ | Also i'm hitting tab on xchat to complete what I'm thinking |
| 20:00.06 | qwazix_ | but it doesn't work |
| 20:00.46 | SpeedEvil | As my ISP is retarded - and comedy other factors too boring to go into - my only copy of my SIP passwor is on the n900. |
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| 20:00.58 | SpeedEvil | Is there a way to get it to display this? |
| 20:02.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: wow, I also started that recently :-D |
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| 20:03.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: gconftool -R /|less |
| 20:05.13 | SpeedEvil | Thanks! |
| 20:05.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: or not :-/ |
| 20:05.21 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 20:05.26 | SpeedEvil | the encrytion thing? |
| 20:06.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: less ~user/.rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg |
| 20:07.10 | SpeedEvil | Hmm - no password alas. |
| 20:07.12 | qwazix_ | I've just baked a low power screen app for the N900, anyone wanna try? It may drain your battery fast though, don't know yet. |
| 20:07.27 | SpeedEvil | qwazix: why do you think it's low power? |
| 20:07.35 | vmlemon_ | Oh the irony. |
| 20:07.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed again no password |
| 20:07.53 | qwazix_ | because the brightness is set to 2 |
| 20:07.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | so maybe password is actually in gconf? |
| 20:08.21 | SpeedEvil | qwazix: why would you want that - when there is the screen brightness widget? |
| 20:08.22 | qwazix_ | but maybe that's too much anyway... The 701 has an lcd screen and a low power screen like the n9 |
| 20:08.40 | qwazix_ | so I thought maybe at lowest brightness the drain isn't significant |
| 20:08.49 | SpeedEvil | It is. |
| 20:09.04 | SpeedEvil | The problem isn't the backlight, it's the CPU being awake, and refreshing the screen. |
| 20:09.20 | qwazix_ | anyway you can still see the time with backlight completely off, thanks to transflective n900 screen |
| 20:09.27 | SpeedEvil | Pretty irrelevant |
| 20:09.37 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption |
| 20:09.40 | qwazix_ | but it refreshes it once a minute |
| 20:10.18 | qwazix_ | the screen isn |
| 20:10.20 | qwazix_ | sry |
| 20:10.23 | SpeedEvil | It refreshes 60 times a second. |
| 20:10.50 | qwazix_ | no it doesn't, I don't keep the gui on, I just write directly to the framebuffer once a minute |
| 20:11.08 | SpeedEvil | Idle, with backlight off and screen on, it uses 80mA - this will drain the battery in 15 hours or so. |
| 20:11.14 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately, that's irrelevant. |
| 20:11.22 | SpeedEvil | you are writing to the framebuffer once a minute. |
| 20:11.39 | SpeedEvil | The display hardware is reading from the framebuffer, and outputting to the LCD 60 times a second. |
| 20:11.52 | SpeedEvil | Outputting the entire display image. |
| 20:12.15 | qwazix_ | ok, i'll download batterygraph and check out |
| 20:12.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* |
| 20:12.35 | SpeedEvil | In principle, you might reduce this rate, but this is going to involve at best driver hackery, and deep understanding of the kernel. |
| 20:12.59 | SpeedEvil | It's annoying that the LCD can't do framebuffering internally, that would be pretty nice. |
| 20:13.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no, the LCD controller probably will refuse to sync to massively reduced scan rate |
| 20:13.33 | SpeedEvil | - I would guess that at least half the power, perhaps a bit more could be shaved if there was a proper framebuffer on display. |
| 20:13.48 | SpeedEvil | I was meaning hacks like frame - pause 1/30s, frame, ... |
| 20:14.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | pll won't sync |
| 20:14.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | to that |
| 20:14.21 | SpeedEvil | Don't know the leadin time. |
| 20:14.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | at very least you need in-depth understanding of the LCD controller setup |
| 20:15.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | to make anything like that work |
| 20:15.07 | SpeedEvil | qwazix: Thanks for the effort though :/ |
| 20:15.38 | qwazix_ | hehe, I'm just unlucky today... |
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| 20:18.06 | SpeedEvil | needs to properly understand DSI. |
| 20:18.08 | SpeedEvil | CSI too. |
| 20:19.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 20:20.18 | SpeedEvil | The modern 'narrow' busses for cameras/displays. |
| 20:20.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah |
| 20:20.30 | SpeedEvil | That are not simple lvds. |
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| 20:20.45 | SpeedEvil | But something similar (in some ways) to USB. |
| 20:20.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe something similar to HSI |
| 20:20.56 | SpeedEvil | In that it's a packetised interface with turnaround |
| 20:21.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | for HSI you have a hard time to find proper specs, even when you google for mipi-hsi |
| 20:22.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea about CSI |
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| 20:24.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.mipi.org/specifications/camera-interface |
| 20:24.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | this one? |
| 20:24.40 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 20:26.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems related to both HSI and CPI |
| 20:27.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | and both probably come accompanied by CCI |
| 20:28.32 | qwazix_ | Is there an x-term command to check current power consumption? |
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| 20:29.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 20:29.53 | qwazix_ | tnx |
| 20:30.40 | RiD | crime scene investigation |
| 20:30.41 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: there is an option seemingly to drop one of the channels to low speed - for config. And then to do the config interleaved - with none of the dedicated slow interface at all. |
| 20:30.47 | SpeedEvil | Assuming CCI is that |
| 20:30.51 | SpeedEvil | is not fully awake |
| 20:30.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter/bq-script |
| 20:31.25 | qwazix_ | thanks, will report back in a while |
| 20:33.57 | qwazix_ | Can I disable stupid wrapping of lines in nano or is it a busybox "feature"? |
| 20:34.13 | joga | nano -w? |
| 20:34.27 | joga | (iirc) |
| 20:34.36 | qwazix_ | joga, thanks |
| 20:34.59 | joga | I'd install vim anyway ;) |
| 20:35.01 | qwazix_ | joga, that was it |
| 20:35.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: or this one: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 |
| 20:35.29 | qwazix_ | It doesn't wrap by default in ubuntu nor harmattan, so I thought it was a bug |
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| 20:38.09 | joga | years ago I think both pico and nano did that by default and I never understood why on earth they used that default, but was so long ago can't be sure anymore |
| 20:38.48 | qwazix_ | DocScrutinizer05, it keeps complaining fro i2cget, though I have it |
| 20:38.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | check path |
| 20:38.59 | qwazix_ | s/fro/for |
| 20:39.27 | qwazix_ | it's in the path, the script tries to ./i2cget, moved the script to /usr/bin but still |
| 20:39.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | which script? |
| 20:39.55 | freemangordon | hooraaay, thumb-compiled microb-engine WORKS |
| 20:40.00 | qwazix_ | the first one you pointed me at |
| 20:40.02 | freemangordon | :P |
| 20:40.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: well "." is not the dir the script is in, it's your PWD |
| 20:40.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | CWD |
| 20:41.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is quite unfortunate to write a script like that |
| 20:42.01 | qwazix_ | DocScrutinizer, puzzled, I can run i2cget from anywhere |
| 20:42.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but not ./i2cget |
| 20:43.15 | qwazix_ | ok got it, cd'ed to /usr/sbin and it fired |
| 20:43.17 | Sicelo | qwazix_: the script assumes you downloaded the tarball |
| 20:43.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can run ./i2cget only after you cd'ed into the dir where i2cget lives |
| 20:43.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 20:43.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should fix that in original script |
| 20:44.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a bug |
| 20:44.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | clearly |
| 20:44.43 | qwazix_ | i tried replacing |
| 20:44.44 | qwazix_ | if [ ! -e ./i2cget ] ; then |
| 20:44.46 | qwazix_ | with |
| 20:44.50 | qwazix_ | if [ ! -e i2cget ] ; then |
| 20:44.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | either a script is using FQN to point to the exewcutables it wants to run, or it relies on $PATH |
| 20:45.07 | qwazix_ | but it din't work and I am a complete noob with shell scripting |
| 20:45.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, it probably *should* work |
| 20:45.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | but better replace it by the output of `which i2cget` |
| 20:46.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | like /usr/local/sbin/i2cget |
| 20:46.02 | qwazix_ | let me try |
| 20:48.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably you're better off with 'my' script in the end ;-) |
| 20:49.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | (though it also has no FQN for i2cdump) |
| 20:50.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | (and it even needs bash, OMFG) |
| 20:50.04 | qwazix_ | I hate sh scripting, i'll run it from sbin. Let somebody else tackle it, which seems to always return true |
| 20:50.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: you got bash installed? |
| 20:51.23 | qwazix_ | no but I can install it |
| 20:51.38 | qwazix_ | is the Average Current the value I should be looking at? |
| 20:51.49 | kerio | freemangordon: freed ram? |
| 20:52.35 | freemangordon | kerio: how much? NFC, but the difference in binaries is about 7-8 MB |
| 20:53.45 | kerio | well, saved rootfs space is not *that* important |
| 20:54.15 | freemangordon | kerio: you can check your resident processes, esp browserd |
| 20:59.01 | qwazix_ | yep, I can confirm that just turning the screen on consumes about 80mA |
| 20:59.07 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 20:59.07 | qwazix_ | bummer... |
| 20:59.24 | SpeedEvil | You could flash out a time in morse on the LED. |
| 20:59.27 | qwazix_ | I can flash the time on the screen once per second |
| 20:59.33 | SpeedEvil | Perhaps, yes. |
| 20:59.47 | SpeedEvil | Doing that may actually be sane - if you can get back to sleep fast enough |
| 21:00.12 | SpeedEvil | I suspect you may have trouble getting below ~30mA doing that. |
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| 21:00.20 | SpeedEvil | But that's still ~30h or so. |
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| 21:01.21 | qwazix_ | actually the backlight is not a problem, uses very little power in lowest setting |
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| 21:01.52 | SpeedEvil | The top backlight setting should be avoided. |
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| 21:02.05 | SpeedEvil | But even a quarter on isn't a noticable power draw |
| 21:03.05 | Juozapas | hi n900 doesnt work with my local dns. I few topics about it but no real solution.. can u help me? |
| 21:03.16 | SpeedEvil | How have you set the local DNS? |
| 21:03.24 | Juozapas | yep |
| 21:03.36 | qwazix_ | how costly is it to poll the accelerometer? |
| 21:03.40 | Juozapas | its in /var/run/resolv... |
| 21:04.29 | qwazix_ | I'm thinking to have the screen show the time for a few seconds when the device is moved, and the proximity sensor is not covered |
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| 21:05.13 | SpeedEvil | qwazix: It actually has an interrupt mode. |
| 21:05.30 | SpeedEvil | qwazix: you can set thresholds at which it will interrupt - in hardware - and then go to sleep |
| 21:06.51 | qwazix_ | that's cool, I'll check it out -- or I'll check out fcam-examples for the N9 |
| 21:06.56 | qwazix_ | don't know yet |
| 21:07.23 | Juozapas | SpeedEvil: dns works for all my other computers.. this problem exist only on n900 |
| 21:09.20 | SpeedEvil | qwazix: Unfortunately, the software stack does not support this. |
| 21:09.35 | SpeedEvil | Juozapas: how are you setting the DNS? |
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| 21:13.51 | qwazix_ | SpeedEvil, this? meaning the interrupts you mentioned earlier? |
| 21:14.16 | SpeedEvil | qwazix: yes |
| 21:14.38 | Juozapas | SpeedEvil: it gets it by dhcp |
| 21:17.15 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_accelerometer |
| 21:17.21 | SpeedEvil | afk |
| 21:18.50 | Sicelo | Juozapas: local dns .. so what is it N900 can't resolve? is it hosts on your network, or everything, including Internet? |
| 21:24.12 | Juozapas | Sicelo: n900 resolvs it (at least it's in resolv.conf.wlan) but nslookup some-local-hostname doesnt work |
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| 21:36.17 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, I think I saw that in the press release. |
| 21:37.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: :-D |
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| 21:38.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's been any press release? |
| 21:39.06 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, yes, let me find it. |
| 21:39.08 | GeneralAntilles | No website sucks. |
| 21:39.31 | GeneralAntilles | http://nokiainnovation.com/2012/07/first-official-jolla-press-release/ |
| 21:39.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | twitter sucks |
| 21:39.41 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, ah "revealed this year". |
| 21:39.46 | GeneralAntilles | My reading comprehension needs help. |
| 21:40.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | yay, better! I already thought they are beyond the stage where hw bugs could get fixed |
| 21:42.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | wouldn't like to see another hostmode desaster |
| 21:48.50 | Sicelo | Juozapas: can the N900 evn reach the dns server? |
| 21:49.28 | SpeedEvil | wonders where the Jolla fundin is coming from. |
| 21:49.59 | Sicelo | good question SpeedEvil :\ |
| 21:50.07 | SpeedEvil | ^g |
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| 22:02.31 | Juozapas | Sicelo: yes, at least i can ping to it |
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| 22:28.55 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody got an executive summary of the PR1.3 update improvements? |
| 22:29.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, we'll not get to know who's the venture capital behind jolla. I already asked and appreciated the answer there actually ARE sponsors anyway |
| 22:30.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: err, ECHAN? |
| 22:30.20 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, probably |
| 22:30.34 | GeneralAntilles | But this one is closer to where my eyes happen to be looking right now |
| 22:30.36 | GeneralAntilles | and I'm tired. |
| 22:30.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 22:31.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | so let me answer: as far as I know there's jusr a community supported listing, and a fuzzy statement about "1000 fixes" |
| 22:32.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather "1000 improvements" |
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| 22:43.44 | RST38h | Objective-C Overtakes C++ |
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| 22:53.03 | qwazix_ | GeneralAntilles, none, they just bumped the version strings |
| 22:53.28 | GeneralAntilles | Magic! |
| 22:54.30 | qwazix_ | No seriously, I had spotted 4 serious bugs of which 3 were not fixed and the other one I'm not sure yes as it's not always reproducible |
| 22:54.40 | qwazix_ | s/No/Now |
| 22:55.26 | RiD | you can cry |
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| 22:56.58 | qwazix_ | cries |
| 22:57.23 | RiD | see, don't you feel more relaxed as now you released all your angers and issues into tears? |
| 22:57.31 | RiD | it won't fix anything anyways, HA |
| 22:58.11 | qwazix_ | changed status to bug 3485 (user cries) to WONTFIX |
| 22:58.13 | povbot_ | 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/3485 Downloads' "updated" date not updating |
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| 22:58.36 | qwazix_ | lol |
| 23:01.36 | qwazix_ | everybody have a good night (ugt) |
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