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| 00:46.08 | zsolt | now nokia logo shows up brightly and blue led is on,but after that not booting and turns off |
| 00:46.59 | zsolt | could somebody tell me what the hell is going on with my phone? |
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| 06:39.11 | zsolt | hi there.i reflashed my n900,but it boots slowly and lost my imei number |
| 06:39.36 | zsolt | cant do cellular calling |
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| 06:46.18 | robbiethe1st | Flash to PR1.3 |
| 06:46.39 | robbiethe1st | Likely you flashed an old version, which means that the modem firmware isn't compatible |
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| 09:01.59 | zeq | freemangordon: I'm going to separate out the function changes and create new commits (and create upstreams bugs with patches). Something really strange has happened with the rebasing, the same commits have been applied multiple times, that's why I was getting conflicts. |
| 09:04.51 | freemangordon | zeq: yeah, git somehoe get confused. anyway, the good nes is that flash actually works, for some reason youtibe tries to sebd webm content, once disable (webm) flash kicks in and works |
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| 09:08.02 | zeq | freemangordon: ah, ok :) |
| 09:08.15 | zeq | webm should be working too though ;) |
| 09:08.23 | freemangordon | now, the question is why webm does not work |
| 09:08.44 | zeq | I got video and audio for webm and x264 but it was <1fps |
| 09:08.50 | zeq | much less |
| 09:09.10 | zeq | like a frame every 30s or something! |
| 09:09.23 | Lava_Croft | hows the work on fennec |
| 09:10.24 | zeq | freemangordon: Since the video acceleration code works by sending the video direct to the compositor, I'm going to try it with the compositor enabled. |
| 09:10.42 | freemangordon | hmm, try it, sounds sane |
| 09:10.56 | zeq | build in progress |
| 09:11.01 | zeq | also rebased again |
| 09:11.12 | freemangordon | shall I pull? |
| 09:11.15 | zeq | hold off pulling from github until I've cleaned it up |
| 09:11.21 | freemangordon | ok |
| 09:11.51 | Lava_Croft | zeq: you mean SPF |
| 09:11.55 | Lava_Croft | Seconds per Frame |
| 09:11.57 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 09:11.58 | zeq | Lava_Croft: it's going ok, hopefully romaxa will have the hw accelleration working soo |
| 09:12.01 | zeq | soon |
| 09:12.06 | zeq | Lava_Croft: yup |
| 09:12.10 | Lava_Croft | please dont waste too much time on anything related to flash |
| 09:12.33 | freemangordon | Lava_Croft: why? |
| 09:12.42 | Lava_Croft | flash doesnt really add anything to the n900 |
| 09:12.47 | freemangordon | we have pretty working plugin, why not use it. |
| 09:12.54 | Lava_Croft | been using it for over 2 years now, i barely ever used flash |
| 09:12.54 | freemangordon | Lava_Croft: ORLY? |
| 09:13.02 | zeq | Lava_Croft: as freemangordon mentioned, flash is working. We also want webm and x264 working too, don't worry! :) |
| 09:13.07 | Lava_Croft | hah |
| 09:13.31 | Lava_Croft | well, i wouldnt want to induce any negativity over your motivation! |
| 09:13.32 | zeq | via html video tag I mean |
| 09:13.35 | Lava_Croft | so roar! :) |
| 09:13.37 | zeq | html5* |
| 09:13.52 | Lava_Croft | sounds very promising |
| 09:13.55 | Lava_Croft | hows the speed as of now? |
| 09:14.02 | Lava_Croft | overall fennec speed, that is |
| 09:14.11 | zeq | similar to microb |
| 09:14.27 | Lava_Croft | hm |
| 09:14.37 | freemangordon | zeq: seems webm is broken, NFC why, all I get here is verry choppy sound (beyond recognition) and no video at all |
| 09:15.10 | zeq | freemangordon: it took a while for a video frame to show for me |
| 09:15.16 | freemangordon | there is something fubar in fennec, as I don;t see much CPU load |
| 09:15.36 | zeq | hopefully it's the compositor being disabled |
| 09:15.47 | zeq | we'll see when my build completes |
| 09:16.40 | zeq | it doesn't explain the sound though... :S |
| 09:16.40 | vi__ | zeq: freemangordon: Upload that shit to devel with a paypal link. You will have a nice weekend. |
| 09:18.17 | zeq | freemangordon: webm doesn't have an dsp accelerated codec does it? |
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| 09:26.14 | freemangordon | zeq: itshould have |
| 09:26.20 | freemangordon | if it is through gstreamer |
| 09:26.41 | freemangordon | webm is actually a container AIUI |
| 09:26.56 | zeq | freemangordon: I wasn't sure which codecs have dsp accel |
| 09:26.56 | freemangordon | or it is wp8? |
| 09:27.11 | freemangordon | zeq: h264, mp4, wmv |
| 09:27.33 | freemangordon | what format is video stream? |
| 09:28.01 | zeq | webm is a container format, but I'm not sure what codec is usually used |
| 09:28.12 | zeq | it is VP8 |
| 09:28.29 | zeq | just looked on wikipedia |
| 09:28.41 | freemangordon | hmm, no video accel then, but lemme check, just to be sure |
| 09:31.12 | zeq | what's the DSP chip in the N900 called? |
| 09:31.45 | freemangordon | depends :). i could be TI DSP, IVA, C6440x |
| 09:32.08 | freemangordon | zeq: gimme some time to check what is the situation |
| 09:33.34 | zeq | ok |
| 09:33.39 | freemangordon | oops, it is C64+, not c6440x ;) |
| 09:38.12 | zeq | if vp8 is open source, as it appears to be, we should be able to build an accelerated codec for it if there isn't already one. |
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| 09:41.44 | freemangordon | accelerated as in? |
| 09:41.52 | freemangordon | vp8 os open source |
| 09:41.59 | freemangordon | *is |
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| 09:45.04 | zeq | accelerated as in using the DSP |
| 09:47.38 | zeq | or even just NEON SIMD |
| 09:47.57 | freemangordon | zeq: NEON is possible, forget about DSP codec |
| 09:49.16 | zeq | have to check on the status of ffvp8 |
| 09:49.27 | freemangordon | there is some NEON code over inet |
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| 09:49.43 | fizzie | "We are working at the moment on supporting VP8 across all our OMAP products and we will contact you directly with a schedule for your products based on OMAP3" -- TI guy in a comment in the blog post announcing VP8 support in OMAP4's video accelerator chip, in 2010; apparently (based on quick googling) nothing really came out of it. |
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| 09:50.23 | freemangordon | fizzie: yeah, saw that |
| 09:50.25 | freemangordon | :( |
| 09:51.40 | zeq | just been reading blog posts about :( |
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| 09:58.36 | zeq | I guess TI want to sell OMAP4s |
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| 09:59.33 | freemangordon | zeq: forget about DSP and TI, trust me on that |
| 10:00.02 | freemangordon | seems there is vp8 library on webm site |
| 10:00.50 | freemangordon | with neon-accelerated scaler AIUI, going to pull the code |
| 10:05.15 | saidinesh5 | hello guys........ i was wondering if there is any decent alternative to the personal webserver http://thp.io/2012/serverr/ for the N9 |
| 10:05.43 | saidinesh5 | basically i m thinking of packaging/porting http://elfinder.org/ |
| 10:05.43 | Jaffa | saidinesh5: Without you defining why that *isn't* decent, I don't think we can answer |
| 10:05.46 | saidinesh5 | for the N9 |
| 10:07.07 | saidinesh5 | Jaffa: basically a more functional client than a python -m SimpleHTTPServer |
| 10:07.51 | Jaffa | saidinesh5: Client? It's a server ;-) |
| 10:08.03 | Jaffa | saidinesh5: I'm not aware of any others, so packaging your own might be sensible. |
| 10:08.14 | saidinesh5 | hehe the server part looks okay.. its just the browser client thats problematic with the first option .. |
| 10:08.27 | saidinesh5 | Ah cool.. something to burn my weekend |
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| 10:23.44 | freemangordon | zeq: libvpx builds ok, it is neon accelerated, we just need gstreamer plugin |
| 10:26.52 | zeq | freemangordon: ok, what does gst-plugins-vp8 use? |
| 10:27.05 | freemangordon | NFC, where is that? |
| 10:27.33 | freemangordon | what I have here is On2 VP8 decoder |
| 10:27.40 | zeq | in Gentoo portage, looking upstream... |
| 10:28.16 | zeq | it's part of the gst-plugins-bad set |
| 10:29.13 | freemangordon | yeah, the same on n900 |
| 10:29.25 | zeq | this is the lastest 0.10 version http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/src/gst-plugins-bad/gst-plugins-bad-0.10.23.tar.xz |
| 10:29.49 | zeq | released 20-feb-2012 |
| 10:30.05 | freemangordon | zeq: actually if you donload webm file you can play it with mediaplayer, it is ok |
| 10:30.12 | zeq | ok |
| 10:30.20 | zeq | not that then :) |
| 10:30.25 | freemangordon | try to open webm test file with microb |
| 10:32.29 | zeq | I just get a box with a "X" in it |
| 10:33.23 | freemangordon | well, try to download it in webm format |
| 10:34.39 | zeq | "Extra Decoders Support" |
| 10:35.34 | zeq | audio is struggling |
| 10:35.48 | zeq | it's not quite managing to decode in real-time |
| 10:36.12 | zeq | I might well be with rebuilding "Extra Decoders" |
| 10:36.53 | zeq | (I tried WebM version of Big Buck Bunny trailer) |
| 10:37.13 | freemangordon | yeah, but the poin is that video is not 1/30 fps ;) |
| 10:37.20 | freemangordon | *point |
| 10:37.24 | zeq | it's not what's causing webm not to work in Fennec though |
| 10:37.29 | zeq | yup |
| 10:37.49 | vi__ | freemangordon: So your thumb toolchain has neon enabled right? |
| 10:37.58 | zeq | yes |
| 10:38.04 | freemangordon | vi__: not by default |
| 10:38.12 | vi__ | Is it the only toolchain for the N900 with this? |
| 10:38.26 | freemangordon | vi__: no |
| 10:38.36 | freemangordon | default toolchain supports neon too |
| 10:38.38 | zeq | neon is supported (in theory) by all the sb toolchains. |
| 10:38.43 | vi__ | aaaah. |
| 10:39.12 | freemangordon | vi__: it is a different instruction set, something like MMX |
| 10:39.15 | vi__ | freemangordon: So most of your speed gains in fennec are from thumb? |
| 10:39.22 | vi__ | freemangordon: I know. |
| 10:39.26 | freemangordon | vi__: no |
| 10:39.29 | freemangordon | :) |
| 10:39.29 | zeq | 4.7+ is supposed to also do code generation and autovectorization for NEON too |
| 10:39.50 | freemangordon | vi__: fennec has some hand-coded neon |
| 10:40.13 | zeq | NEON SIMD intrinsics |
| 10:40.41 | vi__ | So why is your version of fennec good and the older versions are bad? |
| 10:40.50 | vi__ | (in terms of performance) |
| 10:40.57 | zeq | vi__: it's a combination of factors :) |
| 10:41.21 | vi__ | Thumb+ |
| 10:41.22 | zeq | thumb+neon, qt vs gtk, and improvements in mozilla generally |
| 10:41.26 | vi__ | neon+ |
| 10:41.35 | vi__ | zeq: ok |
| 10:41.58 | zeq | the fennec XUL/gtk port has been bit-rotting it seems |
| 10:42.14 | vi__ | What inspired you guys to start work on fennec? |
| 10:42.42 | vi__ | It was practically abandoned. |
| 10:43.23 | zeq | vi__: for me, I wanted a browser with modern capabilities |
| 10:44.13 | zeq | I think the Maemo5 fennec port was abandoned because Romaxa moved to Harmattan |
| 10:44.18 | vi__ | zeq: I do not know your username. Have you worked on maemo before? You seemed to appear just some weeks ago. |
| 10:44.29 | zeq | and that uses the qt version |
| 10:44.53 | zeq | vi__: I was lurking |
| 10:45.00 | vi__ | heh |
| 10:46.17 | zeq | Nokia's abandonment inspired me to help out |
| 10:47.18 | vi__ | hmmm. |
| 10:47.43 | vi__ | If you are ever in my neck of the woods, I'll get you a beer. |
| 10:47.51 | zeq | :) |
| 10:47.58 | zeq | thanks! |
| 10:48.56 | freemangordon | zeq: gstreamer vp8 decoder uses libvpx |
| 10:49.10 | freemangordon | but our version is very old, lemme try the new one |
| 10:49.17 | zeq | freemangordon: is that NEON enabled? |
| 10:49.23 | zeq | ok |
| 10:49.31 | freemangordon | zeq: nfc |
| 10:50.37 | zeq | vi__: some evidence of past projects can be seen on my github account (gentoo stuff) |
| 10:51.28 | freemangordon | zeq: it is, but newer hase more optimizations |
| 10:51.40 | zeq | worth having then :) |
| 10:52.07 | zeq | hopefully the newer compiler can eek out a few fps too |
| 10:53.05 | freemangordon | zeq: changelog says: 18-05-2010 - initial opensource release :D |
| 10:53.14 | freemangordon | lemme try the newer one |
| 10:53.26 | zeq | are you building gst-plugins-bad? |
| 10:53.36 | freemangordon | no, libvpx |
| 10:54.02 | zeq | that has the gst plugin in the source? |
| 10:56.15 | freemangordon | no, that is the real decoder |
| 10:57.30 | zeq | gets called by the gst-plugin? |
| 10:57.36 | freemangordon | yep ;) |
| 10:58.14 | zeq | "making deb" |
| 10:58.21 | freemangordon | yep |
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| 11:04.36 | vi__ | ~gitsmite zeq |
| 11:04.41 | vi__ | ~gentoosmite zeq |
| 11:04.41 | infobot | ACTION spends 5 days recompiling zeq, and when it's all done, zeq runs 9% slower than previously |
| 11:05.11 | vi__ | I like this one, the percentage changes each time. |
| 11:05.24 | zeq | just like real-life ;) |
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| 11:05.53 | zeq | actually, it's not really true. more like 50% faster :P |
| 11:07.28 | jacekowski | ~gentoosmite aaaaaa |
| 11:07.28 | infobot | ACTION spends 9 weeks recompiling aaaaaa, and when it's all done, aaaaaa runs 6% slower than previously |
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| 11:17.40 | freemangordon | zeq: deb build, lets see if it works |
| 11:17.53 | zeq | good luck! :) |
| 11:22.31 | zeq | freemangordon: did it work? |
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| 11:24.32 | freemangordon | zeq: yes |
| 11:24.45 | freemangordon | lemme restart to be sure the new lib is picked up |
| 11:24.53 | freemangordon | but audio stutters again |
| 11:25.12 | zeq | probably isn't using it... |
| 11:25.27 | zeq | maybe the gstreamer plugin is statically linked? |
| 11:25.30 | freemangordon | zeq: cpu is not loaded |
| 11:25.34 | zeq | hmm |
| 11:25.37 | freemangordon | it is about 50% |
| 11:25.39 | zeq | ok |
| 11:25.45 | freemangordon | seems like some sync issue |
| 11:26.00 | zeq | strange |
| 11:26.11 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 11:31.52 | freemangordon | zeq: the same after the reboot |
| 11:32.10 | zeq | so it made no difference? or is cpu utilization lower? |
| 11:32.18 | freemangordon | cpu load is about 60% locked @ 600 |
| 11:32.32 | zeq | do you remember what it was before? |
| 11:32.38 | freemangordon | no |
| 11:33.08 | freemangordon | could you check? |
| 11:33.51 | zeq | I can, let me just finish up with the git repo |
| 11:34.10 | freemangordon | hmm, actually CPU stays around 50% according to top |
| 11:35.04 | freemangordon | mafw-dbus-wrapper uses 33% |
| 11:44.48 | zeq | colourspace conversion? |
| 11:46.37 | zeq | freemangordon: Where you changed !MOZ_PLATORM_MAEMO == 5 to >5, are you sure that's okay for MEEGO/MER??? |
| 11:47.02 | zeq | (as in !harmattan) |
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| 11:54.05 | zeq | just checked in on #mer, they do the same as Harmattan, so I'll assume MAEMO>5 is true... |
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| 12:33.10 | zeq | freemangordon: I can't determine whether fennec for mer is built with --with-maemo-version |
| 12:43.17 | zeq | freemangordon: there a lots of cases where existing MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO has braces added. That seems almost like white-space change in the patch, shall I drop those bits? |
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| 12:53.03 | vi__ | freemangordon: Email yet? |
| 12:54.05 | vi__ | How come the N900 does NOT announce the arrival of a new message (SMS) with an alert if you have the conversatsions already open? |
| 12:54.12 | vi__ | It is utterly annoying as fuck. |
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| 12:59.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 13:01.16 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: so you know what I am talking about? |
| 13:01.18 | Macer | wtf |
| 13:01.24 | Macer | what kind of solder do they use on these boards? |
| 13:01.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: sure thing |
| 13:01.32 | Macer | my 35W soldering iron doesn't seem to be doing it |
| 13:01.39 | vi__ | 35W? |
| 13:01.40 | vi__ | ?? |
| 13:01.53 | Macer | that's what it says on it... it isn't mine |
| 13:01.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: probably lead-free |
| 13:01.58 | vi__ | What are you using? A beer cooler? |
| 13:02.33 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: :-/ i was testing my desoldering skills on an old modem and taking some capacitors off |
| 13:02.43 | Macer | to see how difficult it would be and it has proven more difficult than i thought |
| 13:02.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: wrapping soldering iron with a cloth or paper towel might help increase temperature to the needed values |
| 13:02.52 | Macer | i figured it would be heat.. melt... pull... done |
| 13:03.13 | vi__ | heat.. melt+pull.. done |
| 13:03.27 | Macer | i only had 1 come off clean |
| 13:03.35 | vi__ | heat.. melt+pool+pull.. done |
| 13:03.37 | Macer | and it didn't leave clean holes heh |
| 13:03.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: desoldering components usually isn't a simple task, esp when you can't heat up all solder points/pins concurrently |
| 13:04.13 | Macer | yeah... i sure can't heh... i tried .. it's a wider tip |
| 13:04.25 | vi__ | Yup, sometimes it is best to chop the component in half. |
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| 13:04.33 | Macer | and like i said.. only 1 capacitor came out clean |
| 13:04.39 | Macer | i was so proud.. the other 4 were a pain |
| 13:04.43 | Macer | and that was just the practice board heh |
| 13:04.49 | Macer | i feel lame :-/ |
| 13:04.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | commonly used tools: desolder wick, vacuum solder pump |
| 13:04.50 | zeq | freemangordon: I've finished redoing the patches. Shall I push now, or test build it first? |
| 13:05.14 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: an actual constant pump? |
| 13:05.23 | Macer | i have one of those charge and suck ones |
| 13:05.35 | Macer | which sucks because of the recoil |
| 13:05.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I usually have to heat up each pin of e.g. a capacitor like 8 times, each time bending out capacitor another 0.2mm |
| 13:05.59 | Macer | yeah.. i did that to one |
| 13:06.06 | Macer | but the holes didn't come clean :-/ |
| 13:06.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | jumoing pinA->pinB->pinA->pinB... |
| 13:06.22 | Macer | can i just wrap a paperclip around the iron and poke through the holes? |
| 13:06.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | last step: blow holes clean |
| 13:06.46 | zeq | Macer: I fixed a graphics card after a couple of components exploded after PSU failure, not sure how I managed to solder those surface mount diodes on...? I don't think I could do it now! |
| 13:07.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: no, but you can heat up the hole from one side and poke in e paperclip from the other |
| 13:07.20 | Macer | zeq: patience i suppose. but it is a lot more difficult than i thought |
| 13:07.30 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: ah ok... i was considering that as well |
| 13:07.55 | Macer | electronic engineers can probably do this in like 3 mins heh |
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| 13:08.10 | zeq | Macer: helps to have the right gear |
| 13:08.12 | vi__ | Macer: no, electronics technicians. |
| 13:08.20 | vi__ | EE do the design ;) |
| 13:08.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly blowing sharply, or simply snipping against the PCB so tin comes out of hole by mere innertia works usually better |
| 13:08.27 | Macer | ah heh |
| 13:08.54 | Macer | zeq: yeah probably |
| 13:09.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | use a straw, blow to hole from component side after/while heating from solder side |
| 13:09.16 | Macer | i just have a charge and suck solder sucker and a 35W wide tipped iron |
| 13:09.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | even better |
| 13:09.44 | zeq | freemangordon: since I've not heard from you, I'm assuming you're too busy working to pull at once anyway, so I'm going to make sure everything works before pushing. |
| 13:09.47 | Macer | yeah but to do that i'd have to put the board in a vice or something |
| 13:09.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | solder sucker works great for that |
| 13:10.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 13:10.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 13:10.05 | Macer | to keep it steady |
| 13:10.13 | Macer | i'm working freehand ;) |
| 13:10.34 | Macer | my buddy can do this with his eyes closed.. i guess it takes a bit of practice |
| 13:10.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I usuall do as well. Sometimes worth a photo or video ;-P |
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| 13:11.28 | Macer | well. i will dig up another crap board from my drawers and keep practicing before i try on the actual motherboard i need to fix |
| 13:11.38 | Macer | the solder seems a big harder to melt than most tho |
| 13:11.42 | Macer | bit |
| 13:11.53 | Macer | these guys can't use gold solder? :) |
| 13:11.56 | Macer | heh |
| 13:12.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you're fast, place the sucker tip next to hole, then heat up the solder, in 0.5s remove soldering iron and place sucker nozzle on hole and fire sucker, that usually works without vice |
| 13:12.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | (solder) pb-free RoHS solder |
| 13:12.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | a PITA |
| 13:12.56 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: tried that ;) |
| 13:13.09 | Macer | seems to cool too quickly |
| 13:13.20 | Macer | plus. like i said.. the recoil on this damn sucker |
| 13:13.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, speed is the key here |
| 13:13.26 | Macer | might as well use a shotgun |
| 13:13.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | try a paperclip or a pencil |
| 13:14.20 | Macer | and just poke it out? |
| 13:14.28 | vi__ | I was fortunate enough to get like 1kg of lead solder when the production guys where binning it at my work. |
| 13:14.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | after melting, yes |
| 13:14.49 | Macer | vi__: heh.. buddy of mine gave me some |
| 13:14.50 | vi__ | I now only use lead solder. |
| 13:14.59 | vi__ | Fuck dem EU haterz. |
| 13:15.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: still no problem to get pb-solder here |
| 13:15.01 | Macer | at least if i do manage to get this to work... i'll have softer solder |
| 13:15.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | easier than non-pb-solder |
| 13:15.45 | vi__ | w00t. It is now officially the weekend. |
| 13:15.54 | vi__ | Imma go and get drunk |
| 13:16.06 | vi__ | see you in 72 hours! |
| 13:16.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: adding pb-solder to the joint to desolder changes eutecticum and thus makes desoldering easier |
| 13:17.09 | Macer | so add lead solder to it and desolder it? |
| 13:17.10 | Macer | heh |
| 13:17.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, that's the idea |
| 13:17.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | add "lots" of pb-solder and remove. do agin |
| 13:17.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | again |
| 13:18.05 | Macer | lol! it would take less time to just try to get the stuff on the board off ;) |
| 13:18.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | after 3 or 4 times "rinsing with pb-solder" it should be noticeably easier to desolder |
| 13:18.30 | Macer | i will practice some more soon |
| 13:18.44 | Macer | i haven't tried the board yet... for all i knkow it uses lead solder |
| 13:18.53 | Macer | but i guess they tried hard to not use lead |
| 13:18.56 | Macer | for obvious reasons |
| 13:19.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, a pracice tip: don't forget to add solder even while desoldering |
| 13:19.18 | Macer | i'll try that on the next one ;) |
| 13:19.33 | Macer | i need to dig out another crap board i don't need |
| 13:19.49 | Macer | i was melting the caps on the old modem i dug up |
| 13:20.10 | Macer | desoldering failure |
| 13:21.17 | Macer | nah well.. thanks.. i'm going to sleep.. i'll see how difficult it is to melt the solder on the board itself when i wake up |
| 13:21.37 | Macer | and if it is just as difficult i will just buck down and patiently repair it if i can |
| 13:21.42 | Macer | otherwise ebay a new mboard heh |
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| 13:24.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: tip #1: wrap soldering iron with same warming cloth (even alu foil will do, some layers not too tightly wound around) |
| 13:24.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | let iron heat up properly before touching the board |
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| 13:32.14 | zeq | freemangordon: new master branch is pushed |
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| 13:43.31 | freemangordon | zeq: thanks |
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| 13:44.56 | zeq | freemangordon: np |
| 13:45.14 | freemangordon | zeq: WTF? conflicts again :( |
| 13:46.25 | zeq | that's because I made some changes, probably |
| 13:47.03 | zeq | I removed the dependence on QTMOBILITY for the maemo5 rotation support |
| 13:48.53 | zeq | freemangordon: I'm off out in a minute. I'll be back later. |
| 13:50.32 | freemangordon | zeq: you've removed noncomposited too |
| 13:52.35 | freemangordon | zeq: if (mIsTopLevel || mListenForResizes) ??? |
| 13:53.58 | zeq | okay, so I missed a couple of things |
| 13:54.02 | zeq | is off now |
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| 13:57.45 | freemangordon | zeq: pushed, you may want to pull when you're back |
| 14:01.55 | kerio | will no video play if i (re)move every .conf in /etc/hildon-welcome.d? |
| 14:02.01 | kerio | at boot time, i mean |
| 14:02.06 | kerio | or will stuff break if i don't have at least one there? |
| 14:02.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | will be as simple as that |
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| 14:05.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | or at least that's what I'd expect |
| 14:05.26 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ¬.¬ |
| 14:05.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | could you please that emoticon to western style? |
| 14:05.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | translate that* |
| 14:06.41 | kerio | U+00AC NOT SIGN, U+002E FULL STOP, U+00AC NOT SIGN |
| 14:07.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | means "it's not"? |
| 14:07.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | or not not? |
| 14:08.04 | kerio | the not sign is like a L mirrored against the \ diagonal |
| 14:08.14 | kerio | so it's shifty eyes, kinda |
| 14:08.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I see that |
| 14:08.16 | kerio | the full stop is a nose |
| 14:08.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I fail to get the meaning |
| 14:08.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | since my eyes never look like not-signs |
| 14:09.26 | kerio | meh, nevermind |
| 14:09.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | iow I understand the facial mimic expressed by :-) |
| 14:09.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | or :-( |
| 14:09.57 | kerio | anyway, let's break the boot |
| 14:09.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even :-/ |
| 14:10.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I fail to associate any emotion to ¬.¬ |
| 14:10.26 | kerio | i suppose that it's like -.-, but looking slightly at a side |
| 14:11.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | even o.O isn't all strange to me |
| 14:12.04 | kerio | hm, can i just remove hildon-welcome-default-logo? |
| 14:12.09 | kerio | probably not |
| 14:12.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ?? |
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| 14:13.57 | kerio | huh, nothing actually depends on it |
| 14:13.57 | kerio | neat |
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| 14:14.34 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: "Factory Default Logo" "The factory default animation to show during bootup." |
| 14:15.01 | kerio | i bet that removing hildon-welcome *will* break shit though |
| 14:15.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah, the jumping dots ? |
| 14:15.16 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: no, i think it's the shaking hands |
| 14:15.27 | kerio | not sure, how do you see the installed files of a package? |
| 14:17.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | dpkg -L ? |
| 14:17.37 | kerio | does that work with package names, or only .debs? |
| 14:18.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | dpkg -L hildon-welcome |
| 14:18.54 | dhbiker | kerio: you can replace that vid |
| 14:19.04 | dhbiker | i have it replaced |
| 14:19.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, me too |
| 14:19.15 | kerio | yep, hildon-welcome-default-logo is hands-v32-h264.avi and hildon-welcome.d/default.conf |
| 14:19.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | see |
| 14:19.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 14:19.20 | infobot | from memory, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 14:19.23 | kerio | i just don't want a video there |
| 14:19.31 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i had dontpanic for a while, but it's kinda bad |
| 14:19.31 | dhbiker | i have a blank file |
| 14:19.48 | kerio | the font choice is awful, the color choice is horrid, and the video is stuttery |
| 14:20.14 | dhbiker | XDD |
| 14:20.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | not stuttery here, anyway create a better video and share it to me ;-D |
| 14:20.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | as this one also been shared to me only |
| 14:21.11 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: my video is already on your device |
| 14:21.17 | kerio | you can find it at /dev/null |
| 14:21.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
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| 14:21.38 | dhbiker | lol |
| 14:21.38 | dhbiker | :D |
| 14:21.45 | kerio | anyway, i'm not going to remove the package |
| 14:21.58 | kerio | i'm just going to move the file in the config directory |
| 14:22.13 | dhbiker | you can change it in config |
| 14:22.15 | dhbiker | no need to move it |
| 14:23.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you need to move any files in etc/hildon-welcome.d/ out of that location |
| 14:23.29 | kerio | n900 minor annoyance #74: after shutting it down, you can't immediately turn it back on once the screen is off, because it's still shutting down, even if you have no way to know that |
| 14:23.40 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, moved it in a "nope" subdirectory |
| 14:23.44 | kerio | and it works! :D |
| 14:23.47 | kerio | yay! |
| 14:23.59 | dhbiker | anyone still interested in equalizer ? |
| 14:24.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | subdir should probably work, yeah |
| 14:24.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | equalizer? tell me more! |
| 14:24.35 | kerio | dhbiker: i'm interested in making sure pulseaudio can't harm my phone anymore |
| 14:24.56 | dhbiker | i was asking you DocScrutinizer05 like 6 months ago if you still remember |
| 14:25.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really |
| 14:25.17 | dhbiker | i have it written... but still needs polishing |
| 14:25.23 | dhbiker | 31 band :> |
| 14:25.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | cooooolshit!!!! |
| 14:25.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | a gstreamer plugin? |
| 14:25.46 | kerio | why not 32 :C |
| 14:25.51 | dhbiker | lol |
| 14:25.55 | dhbiker | i can make 32 too |
| 14:25.58 | dhbiker | yes |
| 14:26.01 | dhbiker | gstreamer plugin |
| 14:26.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o |
| 14:26.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ even |
| 14:26.17 | dhbiker | was quite annoying to get it to work -.- |
| 14:26.27 | kerio | is there a way to make mafw use the dsp chip for audio too? |
| 14:26.36 | dhbiker | hmm |
| 14:26.43 | dhbiker | ill look into that |
| 14:27.12 | dhbiker | DocScrutinizer05 teaser video soon ! :P |
| 14:27.33 | kerio | i'm not sure it'll spare battery, but at least i'd have the cpu mostly free when listening to music |
| 14:27.43 | dhbiker | yeah exactly |
| 14:27.49 | kerio | oh, and having it not go through pulseaudio would be a plus |
| 14:27.55 | dhbiker | ouch |
| 14:27.59 | kerio | it takes about the same amount of cpu of the mp3 decoding |
| 14:28.00 | dhbiker | that can be a problem |
| 14:28.01 | dhbiker | :D |
| 14:28.15 | kerio | even something custom would be nice |
| 14:28.29 | dhbiker | do you use original media player ? |
| 14:28.39 | kerio | take mp3/m4a, put it through the dsp, push it to the bluetooth chip |
| 14:28.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's still the hw-parametric-eq in ac34 |
| 14:28.41 | kerio | or something |
| 14:28.56 | kerio | dhbiker: not the interface, i use openmediaplayer |
| 14:29.04 | kerio | but it's just another interface to mafw, isn't it |
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| 14:29.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you usually don't want to use DSP for such "simple" tasks ;-D |
| 14:30.07 | dhbiker | heh |
| 14:31.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have to admit I got no faintest clue how mafw is playing e.g. flac files |
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| 14:32.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't it like mafw is only a wrapper around gstreamer? |
| 14:32.24 | kerio | welp, lost a bunch of messages i think |
| 14:32.31 | kerio | can someone pastebin the last minute or so |
| 14:32.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | last 3 minutes had no posts basically |
| 14:32.46 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i think so, but with moar nokia |
| 14:33.11 | kerio | like, since my last message or so? |
| 14:33.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 14:33.19 | kerio | k |
| 14:33.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you usually don't want to use DSP for such "simple" tasks ;-D |
| 14:33.49 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why not? |
| 14:34.11 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: there's only much cpu, and i can't use the DSP for browserd |
| 14:34.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | since DSP afaik isn't really coupled nicely to audio stream |
| 14:34.25 | kerio | hrmpf |
| 14:34.31 | kerio | so it would still suck |
| 14:34.31 | kerio | got it |
| 14:34.53 | kerio | how about changing pulseaudio for dmix? |
| 14:34.58 | dhbiker | if you route music to alsa... it wouldnt take so much cpu |
| 14:35.06 | kerio | dhbiker: indeed |
| 14:35.09 | dhbiker | but then again... |
| 14:35.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | the McBSP interface to AC34 codec is still under CPU domain aiui |
| 14:35.18 | dhbiker | you cant have equalizer :P |
| 14:35.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and is seen from system as a ALSA audio card |
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| 14:36.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | DSP probably can't directly talk to that ALSA card |
| 14:36.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | but there *is* an EQ in AC34 |
| 14:36.36 | kerio | shame |
| 14:36.50 | dhbiker | its worth trying though |
| 14:37.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | real dedicated audio dsp |
| 14:37.16 | dhbiker | hmm |
| 14:37.43 | kerio | how does bluetooth audio work? |
| 14:37.54 | dhbiker | n900 is like that beagleboard right ? |
| 14:37.55 | kerio | is it still the CPU doing the work, or is there support in the bluetooth chip? |
| 14:38.00 | dhbiker | it uses the same chipset |
| 14:38.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | PA using different ALSA card for BT |
| 14:38.39 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yeah but where is audio reencoded before being pushed through the bt radio? |
| 14:38.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | the BT alsa card might as well be a generic PA plugin without any ALSa |
| 14:39.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | (re-encoded) I guess bluez or PA does that |
| 14:39.39 | kerio | so it's still CPU D: |
| 14:39.41 | kerio | poor cpu |
| 14:39.47 | kerio | i really need to overclock it >:D |
| 14:40.17 | dhbiker | if i overclock mine its unstable |
| 14:40.20 | dhbiker | not sure why |
| 14:40.28 | kerio | dhbiker: you don't say? :o |
| 14:40.29 | japh | because you overclocked the cpu |
| 14:40.31 | kerio | is sarcastic |
| 14:40.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | because that's what OC does |
| 14:40.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 14:40.47 | dhbiker | DocScrutinizer05: not really :P |
| 14:40.58 | kerio | dhbiker: not all CPUs are equal |
| 14:40.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 14:41.06 | dhbiker | thats true :P |
| 14:41.13 | RiD | i fried my N900 with OC |
| 14:41.17 | kerio | dhbiker: some can stand a bit of overclocking, some can't |
| 14:41.27 | dhbiker | that sucks :( |
| 14:41.30 | RiD | joke :D |
| 14:41.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | the upper limit for CPU freq isn't based on CPU failing to work correctly at higher freq |
| 14:41.39 | japh | I did this to my n900 today http://devel.japh.se/n950/fm/20120706_001.jpg |
| 14:41.42 | japh | works great! |
| 14:41.45 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: huh? |
| 14:41.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's based on lifetime and wear done to CPU at certain freq |
| 14:42.05 | RiD | japh what the hell is that? |
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| 14:42.22 | dhbiker | DocScrutinizer05: yeah i heard that somewhere |
| 14:42.26 | kerio | hahahaha what the hell is that |
| 14:42.28 | RiD | japh you jammed a radio freq? |
| 14:42.30 | kerio | is that an antenna for the fmtx |
| 14:42.35 | japh | yes |
| 14:42.41 | RiD | looks silly |
| 14:42.50 | RiD | how far it goes? |
| 14:42.52 | japh | it's an actual antenna, from ericsson 868 |
| 14:42.54 | kerio | on the headphone jack? |
| 14:42.55 | kerio | neat |
| 14:43.18 | RiD | your screen is full of sh** too |
| 14:43.21 | kerio | won't you get better transmission with a pair of headphones? |
| 14:45.11 | dhbiker | kerio: sometimes headphones suck |
| 14:45.40 | kerio | dhbiker: but they're still longer |
| 14:45.47 | dhbiker | haha |
| 14:45.49 | kerio | maybe a good audio cable? |
| 14:45.50 | dhbiker | true xD |
| 14:45.56 | RiD | kerio you could figure out a way to use the FM transmitter with that antenna |
| 14:46.03 | kerio | has no idea how stuff works |
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| 14:46.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | AV connector is antenna for FMRX only |
| 14:47.09 | dhbiker | yup |
| 14:47.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | any improvements for FMTX are mere incidental |
| 14:47.16 | kerio | :c |
| 14:47.27 | kerio | isn't fmtx the same as the bluetooth antenna? |
| 14:47.32 | kerio | (and *why*?) |
| 14:47.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 14:47.49 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: oh right, it's fmrx that wants me to turn on the bluetooth |
| 14:47.53 | kerio | why, btw? |
| 14:48.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | because it's same *chip* |
| 14:48.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 14:49.03 | kerio | how silly |
| 14:49.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ??? |
| 14:49.33 | jacekowski | it's cheaper that way |
| 14:49.35 | kerio | you wouldn't expect bluetooth to have anything to do with fm radio |
| 14:49.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's silly with intergration? |
| 14:49.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh well... |
| 14:49.55 | kerio | apart from the fact that they both use radio waves |
| 14:50.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | they both use audio PCM |
| 14:50.14 | kerio | anyway, does that mean that i can improve my bluetooth reception by plugging in something in the av connector? |
| 14:50.19 | RiD | FMTooth |
| 14:50.33 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: oooh |
| 14:51.14 | kerio | well, so does the fmtx though |
| 14:51.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | err wait |
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| 14:52.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | now I'm confused which of RX/TX is implemented where |
| 14:52.18 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: fmrx turns on bluetooth |
| 14:52.37 | kerio | fmtx doesn't |
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| 14:56.44 | kerio | hm, does this mean that i can't listen to the radio with my bluetooth headphones? :( |
| 14:56.46 | kerio | i never tried |
| 14:59.29 | kerio | anyway, now that we got into this kind of discussion |
| 14:59.43 | kerio | what's the "best" way of pushing fmtx's limits? |
| 15:00.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually status of FMRX->BT is unclear |
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| 15:02.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | (fmtx limits) there's an app for that. The dedicated FMTX chip has a register to set TX power |
| 15:02.19 | kerio | frequency range? |
| 15:02.27 | kerio | yes, you can use v4l2-ctl, but it's kinda annoying |
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| 15:02.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | with iirc PR1.2 kernel, the kernel driver module somehow tried to lock that register down |
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| 15:02.57 | kerio | well, who the hell uses the stock kernel anyway? |
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| 15:03.05 | RiD | *cough* |
| 15:03.30 | RiD | i use it now, since i'm going to send it to warranty lol |
| 15:03.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | there been packages like fmtxboost or the like |
| 15:04.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: warranty?? are you mad? |
| 15:04.15 | RiD | wasn't fmtx set for full power (120 or so) on the newest kernel? |
| 15:04.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | or do you want to get a N8 instead? |
| 15:04.40 | RiD | Nokia portugal is greedy |
| 15:04.48 | RiD | they will NOT want to give you a phone |
| 15:04.58 | kerio | sell N8, buy two used N900 |
| 15:05.13 | dhbiker | lol |
| 15:05.31 | RiD | DocScrutinizer and the issues aren't N900-specific. It's the right speaker and the earspeaker so |
| 15:05.38 | RiD | afaik they're used in many other Nokia phones |
| 15:05.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, at least those are actually fixable |
| 15:06.08 | kerio | hm, does fmradio-wide actually work? |
| 15:06.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I even got spare speakers here ;-D |
| 15:06.13 | RiD | hahah |
| 15:06.17 | RiD | you blew a couple of them? |
| 15:06.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, just baught a few just in case |
| 15:06.55 | RiD | Oh i see. Well, my warranty ends in august, somewhere between day 20 and 30 |
| 15:07.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | @ $1.80 or sth per speaker, I thought "oh why not" |
| 15:07.11 | RiD | and you bought 100 :D |
| 15:07.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | just 4 |
| 15:07.41 | RiD | you know, i hate to be in portugal sometimes. I once tried to buy a keyboard from amazon |
| 15:07.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | and got one for free, probably fitting for the earpiece speaker |
| 15:08.02 | RiD | It was perfect, good price and all. |
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| 15:08.17 | RiD | When i set it to ship to portugal. |
| 15:08.26 | RiD | "Sorry, this item is not available for the shipping address you set" |
| 15:08.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
| 15:08.38 | RiD | Yet spain gets it. :( |
| 15:08.58 | dhbiker | guy on warranty said that i get N9 instead of N8 |
| 15:09.00 | dhbiker | :P |
| 15:09.06 | RiD | o_O |
| 15:09.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 15:09.44 | RiD | how is the n9 price currently? It was 600~700 here |
| 15:09.49 | RiD | that's enough for a couple n900s |
| 15:09.49 | dhbiker | 400 euros here |
| 15:10.12 | RiD | oh, 549,90€ here |
| 15:10.26 | dhbiker | ouch |
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| 15:10.47 | RiD | if they gave me a n9 and i could sell it for 500€, it would be a full refund + extra |
| 15:10.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.amazon.de/gp/offer-listing/B002N2Z0MQ/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new |
| 15:11.10 | RiD | sorry, i'm not german. what gebraucht means? |
| 15:11.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | yesterday they had one new for 277EUR |
| 15:11.16 | dhbiker | used |
| 15:11.20 | qwazix_900 | kerio: bit late, but you can get rid of nokia hands by just deleting the avi |
| 15:11.21 | RiD | wait, danish* |
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| 15:11.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_900: obviously |
| 15:11.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that's a rather nasty way |
| 15:12.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's like "you can switch off the light by shooting the light bulb" |
| 15:12.26 | dhbiker | haha |
| 15:12.27 | RiD | lol, an operator on my country had a n900 for sell at 682€ |
| 15:12.34 | RiD | that was 3 months ago |
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| 15:12.42 | dhbiker | o. |
| 15:12.45 | dhbiker | o.O |
| 15:13.02 | RiD | now they sell an used unit for 359€. They're crazy |
| 15:13.08 | dhbiker | lol |
| 15:13.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 15:13.12 | dhbiker | way too pricy |
| 15:13.14 | RiD | if i bought my N900 a week before |
| 15:13.17 | RiD | i would have saved 100€ |
| 15:13.18 | RiD | :( |
| 15:13.31 | dhbiker | i gave 150 euros for mine :)) |
| 15:13.35 | RiD | it was for sell at 350€ or so. |
| 15:13.50 | dhbiker | still in warranty till september 2013 :P |
| 15:13.59 | RiD | woah that's kind of a new n900 |
| 15:14.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | "new" ones should be no more than 280EUR, used ones no more than 150 |
| 15:14.21 | RiD | "new" as in refurbished japanese units |
| 15:14.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 15:14.32 | qwazix_900 | DocScrutinizer: yeah, but it's tested and doesn't cause other problems. I would be afraid uninstalling the package |
| 15:14.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | as in exposed units unused but without original package |
| 15:15.00 | RiD | anyways, i guess it's time to go and send my sweetie to hell |
| 15:15.08 | dhbiker | :( |
| 15:15.12 | RiD | should i stay with the cover and the little pen? |
| 15:15.20 | RiD | and battery |
| 15:15.41 | qwazix_900 | RiD: they're going to reflash it and do nothing more |
| 15:15.48 | dhbiker | lol |
| 15:15.54 | RiD | qwazix lol. i reflashed it yesterday |
| 15:16.00 | dhbiker | you can do this by yourself too |
| 15:16.03 | qwazix_900 | I sent it for bupbat and I just got a full reflash |
| 15:16.07 | RiD | Too much personal information to give away to them |
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| 15:16.26 | qwazix_900 | bupbat still broken |
| 15:16.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_900: they won't fix bupbat |
| 15:16.35 | qwazix_900 | ~bupbat |
| 15:16.35 | infobot | hmm... bupbat is http://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/2009.pdf http://il.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=PAS414HR-VA5R, or use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months |
| 15:16.46 | RiD | what is that |
| 15:17.04 | RiD | looks like a small bios battery |
| 15:17.09 | qwazix_900 | why didn't they tell me from the beginning then? morons... |
| 15:17.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | it is |
| 15:17.17 | RiD | oh , lol |
| 15:17.35 | dhbiker | it has a bios battery o.O ? |
| 15:17.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | it *should* allow swapping main bat without losing date/time |
| 15:18.05 | qwazix_900 | yep, that's the one that breaks and the N900 stops remembering time after battery switch |
| 15:18.08 | RiD | *should*, because it isn't working for me |
| 15:18.16 | RiD | for the last year lol |
| 15:18.23 | dhbiker | mine works :P |
| 15:18.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | bupbat defect on 95% devices older 12 months |
| 15:18.35 | qwazix_900 | mine came already dead |
| 15:18.37 | RiD | not that i care |
| 15:18.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | (on a sidenote now *all* n900 are older 12 months) |
| 15:18.44 | kerio | what are other/50 and other/75? |
| 15:19.11 | RiD | so hold on, qwazix_900 you sent your n900 just for that? |
| 15:19.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: ??? |
| 15:19.19 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: fmtx-faker modes |
| 15:19.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 15:19.52 | qwazix_900 | when you leave your phone batteryless, bupbat probably discharges below the 5% security point and refuses to charge |
| 15:20.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | no such point |
| 15:20.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | the friggin coins just leak after 12 months |
| 15:20.44 | qwazix_900 | I bought a PR1.0 (or 1.1) N900 during 2011 so it was already dead |
| 15:21.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | some earlier |
| 15:21.09 | RiD | meh it's just time and date |
| 15:21.10 | dhbiker | xD |
| 15:21.18 | dhbiker | exactly |
| 15:21.19 | RiD | sure it's annoying for those who constantly swap batteries |
| 15:21.23 | qwazix_900 | RiD: I do a lot of battery-swapping and I hate having to set the dtime/date every day |
| 15:21.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_900: so fix it yourself |
| 15:21.44 | RiD | qwazix_900 you should connect your n900 to a nuclear plant |
| 15:21.49 | qwazix_900 | will do |
| 15:21.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | an arbitrary goldcap will do |
| 15:21.56 | RiD | always carry a bit of uranium on it |
| 15:21.57 | dhbiker | how long does your n900 hold on original battery ? |
| 15:22.12 | qwazix_900 | barely a day |
| 15:22.15 | SpeedEvil | Original batteries are gettinbg close to uselessness now. |
| 15:22.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | depends |
| 15:22.18 | SpeedEvil | Replace them. |
| 15:22.33 | dhbiker | mine holds max 2 days |
| 15:22.33 | SpeedEvil | Unless you happen to have kept it in the freezer at 40% charge since new |
| 15:22.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | my original batteries are still wuite ok'ish |
| 15:22.43 | qwazix_900 | I've changed up to 3 bl5j's during a 7 hour trip |
| 15:22.48 | dhbiker | lol |
| 15:22.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | and on WLAN without GSM/SIM it holds like 5 days |
| 15:23.07 | RiD | mine lost about 10~20% of it's durabilty. |
| 15:23.09 | SpeedEvil | Well - close to uselessness = under half uptime, and wierd effects at times. |
| 15:23.16 | dhbiker | i have it set up on 2G |
| 15:23.18 | dhbiker | always |
| 15:23.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: soundsa about right |
| 15:23.39 | RiD | well, there are many batteries out there better than the nokia stock ones anyways. and cheaper |
| 15:23.40 | SpeedEvil | For example, if you play a movie with half battery life left, it shuts off after 10 min |
| 15:23.55 | RiD | SpeedEvil uranium will fix that issue |
| 15:24.01 | SpeedEvil | What? |
| 15:24.02 | dhbiker | lol |
| 15:24.02 | RiD | and give you cancer |
| 15:24.25 | RiD | and your body battery will stop working 3 months later |
| 15:24.46 | dhbiker | good to know |
| 15:24.47 | dhbiker | :P |
| 15:24.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | pah, I'm carrying atomic waste with me all day since > 1 year now |
| 15:25.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | always a nice glow in the dark |
| 15:25.12 | dhbiker | DocScrutinizer05: like what ? |
| 15:25.20 | RiD | DocScrutinizer05 i know that feeling. it's harder to sleep |
| 15:25.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | glowring |
| 15:25.43 | dhbiker | oh. |
| 15:25.45 | RiD | i sleep with the help of my n900 charging pattern light |
| 15:25.52 | dhbiker | lol |
| 15:25.52 | RiD | my doctor recommended it |
| 15:26.19 | dhbiker | huh ? |
| 15:27.04 | kerio | jacekowski: ever thought of releasing your patch to fmtxd in a package? |
| 15:27.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd hope it's already in powerkernel? |
| 15:27.43 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: huh? |
| 15:27.51 | kerio | it's a modified /usr/sbin/fmtxd |
| 15:27.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, fmtxd is not exactly kernel domain, yeah |
| 15:29.31 | jacekowski | kerio: nah |
| 15:29.41 | kerio | jacekowski: do you also use fmtx-faker? |
| 15:29.45 | jacekowski | no |
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| 15:30.07 | jacekowski | kerio: packages are not supposed to modify system files |
| 15:30.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: dhbiker: http://www.google.de/search?q=glowring |
| 15:30.30 | kerio | so does the UI actually reflect your changes? or do you have to use v4l2-ctl to change frequencies? |
| 15:30.36 | jacekowski | it does |
| 15:30.40 | kerio | neat |
| 15:31.00 | jacekowski | ui pulls frequency range from fmtxd |
| 15:31.03 | qwazix_900 | kerio: fmtx-faker is AFAIK only for greek N900's where the fmtx came disabled |
| 15:31.18 | jacekowski | qwazix_900: and asian |
| 15:31.31 | qwazix_900 | fortunately me 2nd one is UK for some reason |
| 15:31.52 | qwazix_900 | jacekowski: oh, didn't know |
| 15:32.32 | qwazix_900 | the other one (exhibition unit) they had there had the fmtx disabled |
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| 15:32.37 | qwazix_900 | who knows |
| 15:32.46 | RiD | DocScrutinizer05 won't breaking those things be dangerous, as you could inhale the glowing gas? |
| 15:33.26 | dhbiker | RiD: yeah it's dangerous |
| 15:33.44 | RiD | nice, i want to eat some |
| 15:33.50 | RiD | glowing dumps |
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| 15:34.41 | jacekowski | no it's not |
| 15:34.47 | jacekowski | RiD: that gas is not glowing |
| 15:34.55 | RiD | :( |
| 15:35.00 | jacekowski | there is a phosphorous layer that is glowing |
| 15:35.10 | dhbiker | oh... then its not what i think it is |
| 15:35.11 | RiD | well, i could use that thing to have a 10-year glowing tron suit |
| 15:35.12 | jacekowski | and that's just bit of tritium with half life of 12 years |
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| 15:35.20 | kerio | jacekowski: modified fmtxd++ |
| 15:35.29 | kerio | and, by extension, jacekowski++ |
| 15:35.34 | RiD | better than carrying a fat ass lithion battery on the suit |
| 15:35.38 | RiD | that only lasts 12 minutes |
| 15:36.41 | dhbiker | lol |
| 15:37.50 | RiD | "The suits worn by the actors proved to be problematic on set. Every single one of them was fitted with a small lithium battery that powered the circuitry for the embedded light strips, but each battery only lasted 12 minutes. " |
| 15:38.20 | dhbiker | lame |
| 15:38.41 | RiD | and "The wardrobe budget for this film was $13 million. One custom suit alone for the racers cost $60,000. " |
| 15:39.45 | qwazix_900 | imagine how many bl5j's you could buy with that kind of money |
| 15:40.30 | dhbiker | one BL5J costs 10 euro here |
| 15:40.37 | dhbiker | so a buttload of them |
| 15:42.10 | RiD | it costs 40€here !! |
| 15:42.11 | qwazix_900 | you could put 100 on each suit for less than a 60th of that suit's price |
| 15:42.24 | RiD | qwazix_900 but they're made of leather or so. |
| 15:42.34 | RiD | the suit i mean, not the batteries lol |
| 15:42.41 | qwazix_900 | I bet they'd last more than 12 minutes |
| 15:42.51 | dhbiker | 40 € ? wow thats expensive |
| 15:42.58 | RiD | welcome to Portugal |
| 15:42.59 | qwazix_900 | RiD: human leather? |
| 15:43.05 | RiD | RiD yes |
| 15:43.24 | qwazix_900 | that explains it |
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| 15:43.40 | dhbiker | what ? the price ? |
| 15:43.46 | RiD | yes |
| 15:44.01 | RiD | "<RiD> RiD yes" *fail* |
| 15:44.14 | dhbiker | :P |
| 15:44.18 | qwazix_900 | yeah, how many humans you have to traffick to make one suit... |
| 15:44.33 | RiD | i have to go |
| 15:44.41 | dhbiker | many |
| 15:44.57 | dhbiker | lol good quit message |
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| 16:59.15 | kerio | jacekowski: well, if fmtx is open source you can just make a package that conflicts with the builtin one and installs your modified fmtxd |
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| 17:06.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: will purge meta-pr aiui, which in turn basically uninstalls 95% of maemo ;-P |
| 17:06.29 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you suck at apt |
| 17:06.43 | kerio | unless it depends on exact versions of exact packages |
| 17:06.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | you bet I do ;-D |
| 17:06.48 | kerio | in which case they suck at apt |
| 17:07.03 | jacekowski | kerio: it's not open source |
| 17:07.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | you bet they do as well XP |
| 17:07.13 | kerio | even then, i'm not sure how Provides: works for packages that depend on exact versions |
| 17:07.34 | kerio | jacekowski: so, the hypothetical redistribution of a modified version... |
| 17:07.39 | jacekowski | kerio: illegal |
| 17:07.42 | jacekowski | it's illegal as it is |
| 17:07.53 | kerio | oh golly gee, let's hope nobody does that |
| 17:07.57 | jacekowski | but well, nobody sent mae c&d yet |
| 17:08.09 | jacekowski | talking about c&d's |
| 17:08.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 17:08.15 | jacekowski | i got one myself |
| 17:08.20 | kerio | see? |
| 17:08.34 | jacekowski | if somebody remember the red bend case |
| 17:08.45 | jacekowski | when nokia got c&d letter some time ago |
| 17:08.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | dawut? |
| 17:08.52 | jacekowski | chrome |
| 17:08.55 | jacekowski | and courgette |
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| 17:09.07 | jacekowski | red bend vs google |
| 17:09.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 17:09.19 | jacekowski | nokia and other places got C&D's |
| 17:09.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly missed that |
| 17:09.34 | jacekowski | after nokia got C&D they deleted chrome from repository |
| 17:09.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | red bend patented chrome? |
| 17:09.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | the name? |
| 17:09.47 | jacekowski | courgette |
| 17:09.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 17:10.05 | jacekowski | updates mechanism chrome uses |
| 17:10.23 | jacekowski | they've sent me C&D in january |
| 17:10.41 | jacekowski | which i've ignored |
| 17:10.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | to c and d what exactly? |
| 17:10.47 | jacekowski | stop distributing it |
| 17:10.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | pfff |
| 17:11.07 | jacekowski | quoting american patent numbers |
| 17:11.09 | kerio | isn't chromium open source? :O |
| 17:11.13 | jacekowski | it is |
| 17:11.25 | kerio | then what the fuck do they want |
| 17:11.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | open source helps exactly nuttin against patents and (C) |
| 17:11.33 | jacekowski | it can still be patented |
| 17:11.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | prior art would, maybe |
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| 17:11.55 | kerio | oh, it wasn't a c&d from google |
| 17:12.02 | kerio | nvm, i can't read |
| 17:12.03 | jacekowski | http://dockets.justia.com/docket/massachusetts/madce/1:2009cv11813/125212/ |
| 17:12.08 | jacekowski | http://maemo.org/community/council/chromium-removed_from_maemo-org_repositories/ |
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| 17:13.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm yet to see Nokia sending anybody a c&d regarding Nokia blobs |
| 17:13.46 | jacekowski | well nobody sent me anything about fmtxd |
| 17:13.59 | jacekowski | and besides, those service manuals are confidential |
| 17:14.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all they did just as much as they needed to not *receive* a c&d themselves |
| 17:14.12 | jacekowski | yet nobody even tried to remove links from wiki |
| 17:14.27 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer05: they did get c&d |
| 17:14.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, for chrome |
| 17:15.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | not for distributing stuff like BME, or dialer, or whatever else they got from 2nd source |
| 17:15.22 | jacekowski | they probably have licence for that |
| 17:15.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | not sure about that |
| 17:15.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway the IMEI query is a joke |
| 17:16.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | not meant to stop any proliferation of the binaries |
| 17:16.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | just meant to establish a legal status |
| 17:16.36 | kerio | IMEI query? |
| 17:16.39 | kerio | oh, i see |
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| 17:17.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I never heard of Nokia ever sending a c&d to anybody about semi-public re-distribution of their blobs |
| 17:19.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | shipping stuff via extras though might be just a bit over the top |
| 17:19.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | or not |
| 17:19.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno |
| 17:22.05 | kerio | huh, i didn't know we had a nitdroid-installer |
| 17:22.06 | kerio | neat |
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| 17:31.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | nitdroid-installer aka "nuke your maemo the silly way" |
| 17:31.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 17:32.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | in my book nitdroid is at least as greedy about posessing whole device and not tolerating any other OS besides itself, as is windows |
| 17:33.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, ok, nitdroid allows multiboot, but we all know multiboot is EVIL |
| 17:33.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | and will nuke maemo if you ever dare to un-install it |
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| 17:40.22 | kerio | is nitdroid faster than maemo? |
| 17:42.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure! segfaults twice as fast |
| 17:42.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 17:43.08 | kerio | neat! |
| 17:43.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | faster on what? on compiling it? |
| 17:43.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | on booting the system? to sth without dialer/phone? |
| 17:45.51 | kerio | sth? |
| 17:45.59 | kerio | oh, "something" |
| 17:46.08 | kerio | doesn't the phone part work? |
| 17:47.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno |
| 17:47.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never touched that nitdroid stuff |
| 17:47.33 | dhbiker | why would you run android on N900 ? |
| 17:47.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | if I want android I get me a Samsung |
| 17:48.05 | kerio | dhbiker: idk, maybe it works better as a phone platform |
| 17:48.16 | dhbiker | not really |
| 17:48.22 | dhbiker | had android phone before n900 |
| 17:48.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | more recent hw, cheaper, and my company built the modemchip most probably |
| 17:48.56 | dhbiker | http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?fldAuto=1475&faq=34 |
| 17:49.05 | dhbiker | seems like some1 did it before |
| 17:49.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: android working better as a phone than maemo - on a maemo NIT? c'mon stopp kidding yourself |
| 17:49.11 | dhbiker | 10 bands |
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| 17:49.16 | dhbiker | not sure if it works |
| 17:49.23 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: dude, maemo on a maemo NIT sucks balls at being a phone |
| 17:49.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh |
| 17:50.11 | jacekowski | nitdroid can't do phone anything on n900 |
| 17:50.15 | jacekowski | as far as i know |
| 17:50.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't have any major complaints about N900 as a phone |
| 17:50.29 | dhbiker | agrees with DocScrutinizer05 |
| 17:50.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | on maemo5 |
| 17:51.13 | dhbiker | DocScrutinizer05: maybe we're too old school :P |
| 17:51.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe |
| 17:51.29 | dhbiker | bbl |
| 17:52.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: that's what I seem to recall as well |
| 17:53.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | hell, if anybody managed to write a decent dialer and phone-audio-daemon on nitdroid, I bet it would've get ported to maemo5 in really zero time |
| 17:54.16 | Raimu | I have no problems with n900 as a phone either. |
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| 17:54.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I however know the trouble we've seen with similar plans on SHR-N900 |
| 17:54.39 | RiD | after all i was wrong about my warranty... it ended up last month, day 26. |
| 17:55.19 | kerio | gaaah fucking fmradio-wide |
| 17:55.30 | kerio | i bet it's the same issue cleven and cssufeatures have |
| 17:55.38 | RiD | it's around 25€ to repair it in nokia care. i guesss i will try to repair it on my own |
| 17:55.53 | Raimu | kerio: What's "the cleven issue" ? |
| 17:55.58 | kerio | goddammit, do i really have to remove the password request for sudo? |
| 17:56.01 | kerio | oh no, it's not that |
| 17:56.02 | kerio | phew |
| 17:56.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: happy you, so you don't have to swap it for a N9 just to hop the hoops to sell that N9 on fleaBay to find a new N900 |
| 17:56.43 | kerio | Raimu: it expects "sudo $foo" to work, without ever specifying the $foo it's going to use in a file in /etc/sudoers.d/ |
| 17:56.55 | kerio | so if your sudo asks for a password, in general, it doesn't work |
| 17:57.07 | RiD | DocScrutinizer05 lol. I guess it's around 5€ for a speaker and the earphone speaker |
| 17:57.15 | kerio | fix: put the commands it's going to use in /etc/sudoers.d/cleven or something |
| 17:57.15 | RiD | IF the earphone speaker is damaged. it might be some magnetic dust |
| 17:57.19 | Raimu | kerio, ah, figures. |
| 17:57.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: eeeeek, nasty |
| 17:57.52 | RiD | DocScrutinizer05 what's so nasty |
| 17:58.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | magnetic dust in speakers IS nasty |
| 17:58.18 | RiD | the sound gets terrible :( |
| 17:58.21 | kerio | huh... fmradio-wide started without turning on the bluetooth |
| 17:58.27 | RiD | it's like trying to understand a chinese talking portuguese |
| 17:58.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 17:58.57 | kerio | oh no, nvm |
| 17:59.13 | RiD | DocScrutinizer05 you disassembled it so, how easy it is to change the speaker? |
| 17:59.21 | RiD | or should i say how hard? |
| 17:59.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | changing spreakers is very "easy". Changing earpiece a bit more involved |
| 18:00.23 | RiD | Ok. But overall, it's not the end of the world, is it? |
| 18:00.29 | kerio | oh man, fmradio-wide is horrible |
| 18:00.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 18:00.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | easy as in "will usually get processes in shop, not at Nokia service center" |
| 18:01.33 | RiD | processed you mean? |
| 18:01.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure about earpiece |
| 18:01.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, processed |
| 18:01.46 | kerio | how do i update the icons in hildon-desktop? |
| 18:02.10 | RiD | Ok. |
| 18:02.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | earpiece *might* be soldered to FPC |
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| 18:02.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I seem to recall it's not |
| 18:02.58 | RiD | o_o |
| 18:03.03 | RiD | i don't like anythign that involves soldering |
| 18:03.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never disassembled the screen half of N900 |
| 18:03.36 | kerio | ...and qradio asks to install rootsh |
| 18:03.39 | kerio | i don't fucking even |
| 18:03.40 | kerio | WHY |
| 18:03.51 | kerio | YOU CAN INSTALL FILES IN SUDOERS.D |
| 18:04.01 | kerio | YOU DUMB FUCK |
| 18:04.08 | kerio | AND YOU'RE A RADIO |
| 18:04.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | but given the very common nature of earpiece breaking I'd expect Nokia hasn't soldered that part - would be a rather insane design |
| 18:04.37 | Raimu | kerio: So... you're screaming at radio, bro. Chill. |
| 18:04.53 | kerio | Raimu: i mad D: |
| 18:05.17 | qwazix_ | kerio, try cradio |
| 18:05.23 | qwazix_ | I like it better |
| 18:05.28 | kerio | qwazix_: that's what i'm installing :) |
| 18:05.29 | RiD | DocScrutinizer05 maybe it's an adhesive |
| 18:05.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: though I sympathise with your reasoning, i'd like to ask you to stop shouting |
| 18:05.42 | qwazix_ | It doesn't force you to have earphones plugged in |
| 18:05.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: yep, I think so |
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| 18:06.15 | qwazix_ | Signal is really bad without them, but not so bad to require a complete cutoff |
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| 18:06.31 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: but people are wrong! :( |
| 18:06.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | CAPITALS won't change that |
| 18:06.49 | qwazix_ | I can listen to 3-4 stations here fine without it |
| 18:07.45 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: but they make me feel better :) |
| 18:07.46 | kerio | anyway |
| 18:07.52 | RiD | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hA82LYF64es#t=169s |
| 18:07.53 | RiD | this is scary |
| 18:07.54 | kerio | qwazix_: c fm radio doesn't have rds support :( |
| 18:08.13 | kerio | oh no it does |
| 18:08.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: then damn *fix* the qradio rootsh issue! |
| 18:08.40 | RiD | i'm starting to think that wasting 20€ might be a good idea o_o |
| 18:09.26 | kerio | qwazix_: an actual complaint: there's no way to output the audio to the speakers |
| 18:10.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: well, that's it. And no, that's not exactly scary |
| 18:10.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: which 20EUR btw? |
| 18:11.51 | RiD | DocScrutinizer05 the guy said the repair would be around 20€ |
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| 18:13.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: THIS http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hA82LYF64es#t=31s is scrary |
| 18:13.22 | qwazix_ | kerio, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55289 |
| 18:14.03 | RiD | oh so nice . I will have to do that i guess |
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| 18:15.21 | NavenPL | hello, i got nokia n900 |
| 18:15.32 | NavenPL | and i just broken my micro usb input |
| 18:15.44 | NavenPL | how can i charge battery |
| 18:15.52 | RiD | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 |
| 18:15.52 | NavenPL | directly from wires of charger? |
| 18:15.54 | kerio | NavenPL: you're screwed |
| 18:16.00 | RiD | you can fix it |
| 18:16.07 | RiD | ... if you didn't f_ck it hard |
| 18:16.14 | kerio | NavenPL: external battery charger, or fix your n900 |
| 18:16.19 | kerio | or use another phone that uses BL-5Js |
| 18:16.36 | kerio | and it's a known problem, so it's not your fault |
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| 18:16.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: here you see one of the speakers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hA82LYF64es#t=83s |
| 18:17.03 | NavenPL | but cant i charge battery directly from wires? |
| 18:17.09 | NavenPL | where are + and - pin |
| 18:17.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, you shouldn't |
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| 18:17.47 | NavenPL | but can i? |
| 18:17.47 | RiD | DocScrutinizer05 it's that square bright thing on the right? |
| 18:17.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you want a fireworks at your hands |
| 18:17.55 | NavenPL | in old nokias this method worked |
| 18:17.58 | kerio | lithium batteries are not to be fucked with |
| 18:17.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: right |
| 18:18.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | NavenPL: old nokias used old walwart PSU |
| 18:19.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | and those had a proper characteristics to charge battery directly, with less control than is needed when using a USB PSU to try and charge a LiIon |
| 18:20.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | even then this method is a terrible nasty botch you might do ince when in a pinch |
| 18:20.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | and only if you KNOW what you're doing |
| 18:20.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/ince/once/ |
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| 18:21.29 | RiD | typing on your n900? :) |
| 18:21.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | NavenPL: bottom line: NO you MUST NOT charge LiIon from any improvised contraption |
| 18:22.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | NavenPL: see |
| 18:22.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~usb-fix |
| 18:22.10 | infobot | i heard usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 18:22.59 | kerio | qwazix_: i'm not so sure that screwing around with alsamixer is a good idea, considering how stupidly fragile the n900 speakers are |
| 18:23.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
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| 18:26.38 | qwazix_ | kerio, Yep, it's easy to fry them if you boost volume >=88 which is the default value, like someone did in that thread. But just turning them on shouldn't be a problem |
| 18:27.06 | kerio | anyway, i just decided that i don't need fmrx :) |
| 18:27.55 | RiD | qwazix_ don't blow a speaker like me |
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| 18:29.29 | kerio | qwazix_: the thing is, you force a change in the output device but the UI isn't aware of it |
| 18:29.32 | qwazix_ | RiD, not planning to... but have been using those scripts successfully watching movies with the pico projector. Now I've many months to do that. |
| 18:29.32 | kerio | that's kinda lame |
| 18:31.08 | qwazix_ | It isn't but the max value is still 88. In fact if you turn the sound on to full without the script the sound from the loudspeaker is significantly louder than with the script. That 88 value is probably only for earphones (to protect your eardrums) |
| 18:31.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | dhbiker: hmm, nice finding about MAFW-Equalizer |
| 18:31.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | wasn't aware of that |
| 18:31.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems on that page there are version conflicts mentioned in PR1.3 |
| 18:32.26 | RiD | pico projector? |
| 18:33.17 | qwazix_ | RiD, what about it? |
| 18:33.22 | RiD | what is that? :o |
| 18:33.42 | RiD | http://your-digital-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/PicoProjector_kids_room.jpg lol this? |
| 18:34.11 | qwazix_ | http://www.projectorreviews.com/3M/mpro110/index.php |
| 18:34.19 | qwazix_ | that's the one I have |
| 18:34.58 | RiD | now i am interested on those things , damn it |
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| 18:35.27 | qwazix_ | RiD, battery operated :) |
| 18:36.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: there's a problem with speakers in N900, that's why Nokia fixed MAFW last minute to include XPROT |
| 18:36.11 | RiD | 370€, no thanks |
| 18:36.44 | RiD | I wonder if some different speakers would work on it |
| 18:36.52 | qwazix_ | RiD, no, I got it for less than 150eur, and now you can find even cheaper ones |
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| 18:37.25 | qwazix_ | DocScrutinizer05, XPROT? |
| 18:37.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: XPROT should probably filter out VLF (<50Hz, and DC) and do some limiting on max volume |
| 18:38.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's part of the gst-pipe MAFW sets up |
| 18:38.13 | RiD | nitdroid doesn't do that so well, thats how my speaker blew |
| 18:38.18 | qwazix_ | aha, and when does that kick in? only when loudspeakers are on? |
| 18:38.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: yep |
| 18:38.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: should |
| 18:39.07 | qwazix_ | yeah but on what level (mediaplayer, codec, pulseaudio or alsamixer)? |
| 18:39.51 | qwazix_ | btw somebody crammed 5800 speakers in N900 over @tmo |
| 18:40.28 | RiD | :o |
| 18:40.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | o-tone Nokia shop when I asked when T F they gonny send my N900 (well anybody's N900): "you wouldn't want to find your N900 breaking during first 2 weeks, no? So give us some time to fix a probelm with audio we found" |
| 18:40.53 | kylanpaj_ | 5800 speakers are pretty good for a phone |
| 18:41.11 | RiD | qwazix_ how hard was it to do that :O |
| 18:41.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr WUT? |
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| 18:42.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't that just a fake? I ordered my N900 speakers at a shop where they were actually advertised as 5800 compatible |
| 18:42.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | as they messed up some photos |
| 18:42.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 18:42.44 | dhbiker | DocScrutinizer05: i will look into sourcecode ... maybe i can polish mine with help of it |
| 18:43.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | dhbiker: nice idea |
| 18:43.09 | qwazix_ | 5800 speakers are so much better than the N900 ones. No way they are the same. |
| 18:43.49 | qwazix_ | I had a 5800 before the N900. I put the same song on both, 5800 was twice as loud, and at mid-volume, twice as good |
| 18:44.09 | qwazix_ | both tincans ofc @full volume |
| 18:44.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd also appreciate very much an automatic selection of "preset" depending on what's active right now - e.g. I don't want same EQ settings for headphones, music playback via speakers, ringtone playback |
| 18:44.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: you're aware that speaker != "box" |
| 18:45.06 | dhbiker | DocScrutinizer05: that's not a problem |
| 18:46.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix_: a speaker sounding brilliant in one box can sound like a tin can in another box/compartment |
| 18:46.27 | dhbiker | DocScrutinizer05: control panel would be nice ? or not ? |
| 18:46.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not just the transducer to determine the sound quality |
| 18:47.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | dhbiker: sure a control pannel would be nice |
| 18:47.14 | dhbiker | ok ... |
| 18:47.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I'd hope ringtone would use ringtone preset, and mp3player would use music-preset |
| 18:47.43 | dhbiker | is off... checking the code |
| 18:47.52 | qwazix_ | DocScrutinizer05, true but this photo doesn't look like a fake and why would somebody fake it http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=25841&stc=1&d=1334685710 |
| 18:48.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, this is a different transducer |
| 18:48.24 | kerio | "why would someone fake" - cuz they're dickheads |
| 18:48.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously |
| 18:48.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that doesn't mean it sounds in N900 like it does in 5800 |
| 18:49.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | au contraire it might sound like shite when you mess with that black plastic thingie too much |
| 18:49.45 | qwazix_ | kerio, I understand somebody to go and fake running crysis on iphone for YT views, but photoshopping the 5800 speaker to make it look bigger is lamer than lame |
| 18:50.19 | qwazix_ | DocScrutinizer05, it doesn't. But it's still a bit better according to the modder |
| 18:50.35 | kerio | are the openpandora speakers any good? |
| 18:50.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | just a bigger transducer means nothing if it isn't matching the compartment |
| 18:51.07 | zeq | freemangordon: sorry about leaving a couple of patches out earlier, I was in a hurry to get out. It's my grandmothers 90th today, I was up against the clock. |
| 18:51.26 | qwazix_ | DocScrutinizer05, sry, actually he said louder, not better |
| 18:51.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
| 18:51.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 18:51.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I will easily admit it might be louder on treble |
| 18:52.25 | RiD | http://s15.postimage.org/wo5rfx8fv/151.jpg |
| 18:52.34 | RiD | uh oh, wrong channel again |
| 18:52.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | while not exactly fitting into the compartment will short front and back of membrane and cause lots *less* of bass |
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| 18:53.03 | qwazix_ | RiD, NFSU? |
| 18:53.19 | RiD | undercover? not even close o_o |
| 18:53.33 | qwazix_ | Porshe Unleashed |
| 18:53.38 | qwazix_ | shit |
| 18:53.50 | RiD | lol. Porsche Unleashed? that's from 2000 :O |
| 18:53.53 | qwazix_ | Porsche Unleashed |
| 18:54.10 | qwazix_ | yep, best NFS ever |
| 18:54.14 | qwazix_ | ;) |
| 18:54.24 | RiD | the image certainly doesn't look like NFSPU |
| 18:55.01 | RiD | http://s15.postimage.org/bd87bnqbf/143.jpg. Grand Theft Auto IV |
| 18:56.38 | qwazix_ | why? http://replicore.ru/uploads/posts/2012-02/1330433100_9de48082cbf8a2692a932c8c5878e7e6.jpg |
| 18:56.47 | qwazix_ | except the crappy detail of the car |
| 18:57.57 | RiD | lol, the graphics aren't even close. Sure, the environment is similar |
| 18:59.08 | qwazix_ | it's not, that it shows their 10 year difference, I'd say 2-3 years tops, or even the same game with all settings on/off |
| 18:59.26 | qwazix_ | (ofc excluding the model of the car) |
| 19:00.09 | zeq | freemangordon: huh? what happened with the merge? https://github.com/sjnewbury/fennec-qt-maemo5/commit/3c2181c7d6be5889cfe1a0fcb9cb4eab1481cb69 |
| 19:00.20 | zeq | 370 changed files with 7,131 additions and 5,310 deletions. |
| 19:01.04 | zeq | all the old commits got re-introduced! |
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| 19:15.20 | zeq | freemangordon: I've locally restored the missing commits in a clean tree. Where you merged and pushed all the old commits got inserted back into the history. I'll re-push a clean master with all the commits this time, if you could then rebase on that, it should give us both a clean base with any pushed changes you might have. |
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| 19:24.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw just in case anybody recalls the 40s-delay issue we discussed lately: it's gone on my laptop since I changed to a x64 system. Seems the 32bit OS has real trouble with my 8GB RAM |
| 19:30.15 | dhbiker | DocScrutinizer05: why the hell do you have 32bit OS on 8 gigs of ram ? |
| 19:30.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | because I'm a moron |
| 19:30.45 | dhbiker | xD |
| 19:31.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | in the old days 64bit was MEH, because of instabilities with drivers and whatnot |
| 19:31.35 | dhbiker | not anymore |
| 19:31.41 | zeq | DocScrutinizer05: that's not really surprising! |
| 19:31.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I crossed the 3GB barrier without taking notice |
| 19:31.57 | zeq | 8G is a lot for 32bit |
| 19:32.03 | dhbiker | yeah |
| 19:32.19 | dhbiker | it can use 3.5 gigs or something like that |
| 19:32.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | so let's just say "you WANT to use x64 if you got more than 3GB of RAM" |
| 19:32.54 | nox- | indeed |
| 19:33.04 | dhbiker | 4 gigs works normally |
| 19:33.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, but one of those gets lost for mapping |
| 19:33.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 19:33.27 | dhbiker | yup |
| 19:34.13 | dhbiker | for the beginning i can fix that plugin to work on PR1.3 |
| 19:34.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | funny enough *nothing* complained on that 32bit-linux |
| 19:34.18 | dhbiker | and then upgrades |
| 19:34.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | it even reported 8GB RAM just fine |
| 19:34.52 | dhbiker | lol |
| 19:34.54 | dhbiker | o.O |
| 19:34.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | dhbiker: yeah, please do! |
| 19:35.00 | qwazix_ | anybody knows how can I force hildon-desktop to build with gles and not vanilla opengl? tried --with-flavour and --with-gles but configure doesn't recognise those flags |
| 19:35.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | also seems those nasty artifacts in X/plasma are gone |
| 19:37.46 | ShadowJK | iirc a tone point the threshold was at 2G |
| 19:37.50 | ShadowJK | at one* |
| 19:38.00 | ShadowJK | Because of the way memory is split between kernel and userspace |
| 19:41.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway now that T500 is really awesome |
| 19:42.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | esp since some nice guy in here pointed me at that bios hack to swap that silly Fn|Ctrl keybd layout |
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| 21:31.16 | zeq | _freemangordon: ping |
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| 22:14.17 | kerio | where can i install chromium? and is it worth it? |
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| 22:24.34 | SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall ther was an install f chromium, but it got pulled for lawyer-based reasons. |
| 22:26.14 | MrPingu | http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/Chromium |
| 22:26.25 | MrPingu | Never tried it though |
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| 22:27.03 | MrPingu | I used only Estel_ 's easy debian image with chromium, but I wasn't pleased with the performance |
| 22:27.31 | MrPingu | Wanted to try on a dedicated partition but never got to it ;) |
| 22:28.03 | Macer | back to melting solder |
| 22:28.03 | Macer | blah |
| 22:43.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | have fun! |
| 22:44.14 | user__ | kerio: just wait for zeq&FMG fennec port. |
| 22:44.22 | user__ | it will melt your balls. |
| 22:45.21 | MrPingu | Can't wait ^^ |
| 22:48.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | eats that 4.3GB .xsession-errors, and burps |
| 22:49.24 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: lol wut? |
| 22:49.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know why you got a separate /home partition when df -h /home shows ZERO bytes free |
| 22:50.41 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: I have a seperate /home because I have a habit of osing everything by messing with dumb stuff. |
| 22:51.02 | vi_ | ^hosing |
| 22:52.15 | vi_ | Now, who wants to try my latest attempt at configuring the n900 vm? |
| 22:52.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 22:53.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure I need more storage related excitement/susoense today |
| 22:53.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | suspense* |
| 22:54.55 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: its not for you doc. |
| 22:55.10 | vi_ | it 15 2 1337 4u |
| 22:55.29 | Macer | oh yeah.... |
| 22:55.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 22:55.35 | Macer | these caps are getting easier and easier |
| 22:55.40 | Macer | once i got practice on a few of them heh |
| 22:55.43 | vi_ | caps |
| 22:56.08 | Macer | yeah.. have 4/18 off.. but the 1st one took 20mins to get a feel for.. 2nd took 5.. now they're coming out 3mins per :) |
| 22:56.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | usual |
| 22:56.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | even after 40 years of doing it |
| 22:57.22 | Macer | yeah well.. this isn't really my thing.. but the getting them out seems like the difficult part |
| 22:57.31 | Macer | now i am pulling them out with clear holes ;) |
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| 23:09.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | hope you don't pull out the vias with them caps |
| 23:12.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're absolutely right about the difficult part though - soldering the new parts it mere fun after it |
| 23:13.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | which I honestly hope you do immediately after removing old cap, as otherwise odds might be you forget the right side for plus |
| 23:13.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | and hell THAT would be a pity to solder one of the new good caps on the board the wrong way round |
| 23:15.08 | SpeedEvil | Preheat. |
| 23:15.14 | SpeedEvil | Almost always a good idea |
| 23:15.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, a bit |
| 23:15.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I always found a proper really hot iron serves all purpose here |
| 23:17.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | still shudders thinking about a 4.3GB errorlog file |
| 23:17.57 | SpeedEvil | Lead-free can make preheat almost mandatory |
| 23:18.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | why is that? |
| 23:19.04 | SpeedEvil | higher temps |
| 23:19.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, turn up your soldering iron temp |
| 23:19.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | still not hot enough? turn it still higher |
| 23:20.31 | SpeedEvil | multiple ground planes. |
| 23:21.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | higher! higher! |
| 23:22.17 | RST38h | Doc: doing termorectal cryptoanalysis? |
| 23:25.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | since copper, unlike tin and lead, is a really good thermal conductor, and wires of components are usually massive copper and length of solder joint not much longer than diameter of wires, it's usually possible to heat the copper wire of component so much that solder melts on surface of wire before the heat reaches the ground planes |
| 23:27.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | might not work on good massive vias ~ the diameter of the wire of components, connected to multiple massive ground planes |
| 23:27.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you actually might need some preheating |
| 23:29.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | though... aq proper PCB layout is using termal insulation of vias from ground planes |
| 23:29.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | for that very reason |
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| 23:34.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | you frequently see those X-shaped "bridges" from small pad with via to the groundplane land around it |
| 23:36.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | on all stuff that's not built by reflow |
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