| 00:00.18 | FIQ|n900 | ok fine |
| 00:00.19 | zeq | maybe there's enought information it what's available, maybe not |
| 00:00.36 | freemangordon | FIQ|n900: if we get fennec working ok, I think there will be no need for updated microb. though if we update it, we will free lots of RAM |
| 00:00.37 | zeq | there are some sources |
| 00:01.04 | FIQ|n900 | freemangordon: this was my idea |
| 00:01.18 | freemangordon | I think it is possible, but not trivial, we should write our own eal |
| 00:01.52 | zeq | what else depends upon it? modest? |
| 00:01.53 | ShadowJK | the gecko was heavily modified too :/ |
| 00:01.56 | zeq | conversations? |
| 00:02.03 | ShadowJK | Maps |
| 00:02.06 | zeq | ok |
| 00:02.11 | freemangordon | yeah, lots of stuff |
| 00:02.20 | FIQ|n900 | right |
| 00:02.27 | FIQ|n900 | other things used it |
| 00:02.29 | zeq | some we have sources for though? |
| 00:02.32 | FIQ|n900 | I forgot that |
| 00:02.48 | FIQ|n900 | isn't maps just JS |
| 00:02.54 | freemangordon | it is |
| 00:02.56 | FIQ|n900 | obfuscated JS but still Js |
| 00:03.03 | FIQ|n900 | JS, even |
| 00:03.18 | FIQ|n900 | how does it do os calls? |
| 00:03.27 | freemangordon | which calls? |
| 00:03.34 | SpeedEvil | Maps is js? |
| 00:03.34 | FIQ|n900 | well |
| 00:03.40 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't have a binary component? |
| 00:03.45 | FIQ|n900 | gps, accessing taskswitcher, etc |
| 00:03.57 | FIQ|n900 | directly from it |
| 00:04.06 | FIQ|n900 | I think maps is all js? |
| 00:04.15 | freemangordon | gps is through browser location plugin afaik |
| 00:04.21 | SpeedEvil | It paints the screen from the maps files, and decodes them in JS? |
| 00:04.42 | freemangordon | not sure about task switcher, dbus call maybe |
| 00:04.56 | FIQ|n900 | yes, but *how* |
| 00:05.05 | FIQ|n900 | JS can't do that on its' own |
| 00:05.22 | FIQ|n900 | unless it's modified |
| 00:05.38 | freemangordon | NFC |
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| 07:19.58 | zeq | will push if it works |
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| 08:49.20 | papo | hello |
| 08:51.34 | papo | I am trying to connect to a particularly resistant wifi and I am looking for logs on why this fails. I installed sysklogd and set the debug level of wlancond to 2, but the information logged is sparse and I don't see anything helpful. How can I get more debug info? |
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| 08:52.25 | StyXman | have tou peeked un dmesg's output? maybe, just maybe, there's some info there... |
| 08:52.35 | papo | checking |
| 08:54.02 | papo | StyXman: there is stuff in there related to the successful connection to another essid but not to the one that fails |
| 08:55.03 | papo | StyXman: The wifi in question is one with "WPA enterprise" auth (no PSK). I have a similar setup at home where this works but at work this fails instantly after I enter the credentials |
| 08:55.53 | papo | would be nice to have at least a little bit of information on why this fails :( |
| 08:56.43 | StyXman | :\ |
| 08:57.06 | StyXman | well, I wouldn't even know how to debug it beyond that in a full fledged linux setup... |
| 08:58.21 | papo | StyXman: Some sites claim that in order for this to work, you have to check "set username manually" for EAP. Unfortunately you can do this in the "internet connection" menu only and not when you connect as usual. These sites advise to set up the connection in "internet connection" and then use it, but if I try to use it it displays the setup routing as if it did not know about the essid |
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| 08:59.48 | StyXman | papo: beats me |
| 09:00.01 | papo | maybe I am lucky and there is source code around to see what's going on |
| 09:00.18 | papo | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-wlan/trees/master yay! |
| 09:00.30 | StyXman | \o/ |
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| 09:05.49 | papo | huh apparently this was compiled with debug flags on... nice |
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| 09:22.03 | DocScrutinizer | I doubt it'll help |
| 09:22.16 | DocScrutinizer | probably an issue with this wlancond |
| 09:29.17 | vi__ | _freemangordon: email yet? |
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| 09:31.28 | papo | DocScrutinizer: so what's this wlancond doing and how is it related to IAP and other wifi-related components? |
| 09:32.32 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, afk |
| 09:33.12 | papo | np |
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| 10:31.59 | chem|st | ~seen qgil |
| 10:32.02 | infobot | qgil <c0646a28@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.106.40> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 281d 11h 45m 29s ago, saying: 'ok, time to leave and join the Qt chapter - Siicon Valley. See you around!'. |
| 10:36.49 | Hurrian | dude's not an IRC person. |
| 10:37.09 | chem|st | Hurrian: I know |
| 10:37.37 | chem|st | Hurrian: I was thinking about those n9s being shipped for awards and competitions... |
| 10:38.02 | Hurrian | chem|st, mine's apparently held up at customs |
| 10:38.25 | chem|st | Hurrian: you sure? |
| 10:38.48 | chem|st | neat idea would have been to make them some kind unique |
| 10:39.02 | Hurrian | it is, I've called up DHL, and customs doesn't want to hand over my phone because it doesn't have the magic type approval stickers |
| 10:39.06 | chem|st | 64GB white or something |
| 10:39.08 | Hurrian | regulations and all that |
| 10:39.24 | chem|st | Hurrian: which country are you in? |
| 10:39.31 | Hurrian | Philippines. |
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| 10:41.02 | Hurrian | I can't imagine the PITA I'd be in should I have received a N950 instead |
| 10:41.24 | chem|st | hehe |
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| 10:41.44 | chem|st | Hurrian: have you gotten any email about the shipment cause I didn't |
| 10:41.49 | Hurrian | nooope. |
| 10:42.03 | Hurrian | I'm in kind of a bind right now, reading the Type Approval sticker on my N900's box… the IMEI's there. |
| 10:42.17 | Hurrian | how the hell do I apply for a sticker without the IMEI |
| 10:42.42 | Hurrian | oh well. |
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| 10:42.55 | chem|st | Hurrian: nokia knows the imei of the phone they sent to you |
| 10:43.51 | Juozapas | hi |
| 10:43.51 | chem|st | Juozapas: hi |
| 10:43.51 | Hurrian | …unless they simply decided to pick them up out of a stack of phones they had laying around |
| 10:43.51 | Hurrian | well, hopefully I can get this all sorted out |
| 10:44.07 | chem|st | I just hope they are 64gb... |
| 10:44.19 | chem|st | 16gb is rendered useless in days |
| 10:44.31 | Hurrian | man, and I was so psyched when the DHL bike arrived. |
| 10:44.34 | chem|st | at least for a daily phone |
| 10:44.38 | Hurrian | chem|st, they're black 16GBs |
| 10:44.51 | chem|st | Hurrian: how do you know? |
| 10:44.54 | Juozapas | when someone call me on landscape mode there is not enough space for 'reject' button, on portrait mode it starts to panic - biger buttons, smaller buttons, sometimes even blank screen (like it's locked, no matter what I press). Any fix for this bug ? |
| 10:44.56 | Hurrian | threads |
| 10:45.07 | chem|st | did quim state that? |
| 10:45.16 | Hurrian | meh, I'm just going to serve my media from my N900 over adhoc wifi. |
| 10:45.20 | chem|st | even with those nokia is cheap... |
| 10:46.10 | chem|st | Juozapas: you are talking cssu problem right? |
| 10:46.17 | Juozapas | yes |
| 10:46.33 | chem|st | is it in stable? |
| 10:46.40 | chem|st | or testing? |
| 10:46.46 | Hurrian | Juozapas, check your settings in phone |
| 10:46.58 | Juozapas | chem|st: stable |
| 10:47.09 | Hurrian | Power button -> Phone -> Menu -> Turning Control |
| 10:47.23 | Hurrian | Automatic is broken, fix it to Landscape |
| 10:47.59 | Juozapas | Hurrian thx |
| 10:48.03 | Juozapas | :) |
| 10:48.18 | chem|st | Juozapas: fix it to portrait, not landscape... |
| 10:48.39 | Juozapas | I will try bought, thx |
| 10:48.53 | Juozapas | *both |
| 10:49.08 | chem|st | landscape is anoying over time |
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| 10:59.12 | Hurrian | chem|st. not for me, I have my phone on landscape 99% of the time |
| 11:01.35 | vi__ | Hurrian: hello. |
| 11:01.50 | Hurrian | vi__, got your phone yet? |
| 11:01.52 | vi__ | Did you receive an email from nokia WRT receiving your CA? |
| 11:01.57 | Hurrian | nope. |
| 11:02.21 | vi__ | Hurrian: Just an email from DHL about how you could not get it due to customs bullshit? |
| 11:02.34 | Hurrian | the mailman came by around 3 hours ago to hand me a physical mail with said BS |
| 11:02.47 | vi__ | Oh...god. |
| 11:02.59 | vi__ | I bet my N950 has been shipped to sub-saharan africa. |
| 11:03.28 | vi__ | Hurrian: You live in singapore? |
| 11:03.30 | vi__ | Phillapeans? |
| 11:03.35 | Hurrian | vi__, Philippines. |
| 11:03.39 | vi__ | ^/BS Spelling. |
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| 13:38.13 | kwtm | (referring to N900 in my question above) |
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| 15:06.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~+uptime |
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| 15:18.34 | zeq | freemangordon: cleanest solutiuon I've come up with for rpath is to set the qtm12 path in the LDFLAGS from mozconfig, and have a custom MOZ_FIX_LINK_PATHS with '-Wl,-rpath,$(prefix)/$(MOZ_APP_NAME)-$(MOZ_APP_VERSION)' in configure.in |
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| 15:28.16 | zeq | freemangordon: I've pushed the configure.in change. Make sure you add "-Wl,-rpath,/opt/qtm12/lib" to the LDFLAGS in mozconfig. |
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| 15:54.32 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer51: what is a typical input impedance of a CMOS chip? I.e. The GPIO on a PIC microcontroller? |
| 15:54.43 | jacekowski | input |
| 15:54.51 | jacekowski | MOhms |
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| 15:55.53 | vi__ | jacekowski: in the order of megaohms? |
| 15:56.02 | jacekowski | yes |
| 15:56.10 | jacekowski | well, a lot more in reality |
| 15:56.38 | jacekowski | you are more in gigaohms range than megaohms |
| 15:56.44 | vi__ | and this is due to the resistance of 'off' resistance the mosfets? |
| 15:57.00 | jacekowski | mosfets have very high resistance |
| 15:57.04 | jacekowski | all there is is small capacitor |
| 15:57.14 | jacekowski | and it's leakage current ( resistance) |
| 15:57.32 | SpeedEvil | REad the datasheet. |
| 15:57.41 | SpeedEvil | It depends strongly on the design. |
| 15:57.57 | jacekowski | i think they more often specify leakage current than impedance |
| 15:57.57 | SpeedEvil | It may be very far from gigohms for a GPIO pin. |
| 15:58.02 | vi__ | is already reading... |
| 15:58.04 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 15:58.27 | SpeedEvil | As the leakage from the output switches - even in 'off' state may be significant. |
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| 17:29.31 | freemangordon | zeq: ping |
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| 17:39.04 | ketas | what's window manager similar to matchbox, for single window low resource ("embedded") system |
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| 17:42.45 | zeq | freemangordon: pong |
| 17:47.12 | freemangordon | zeq: did you succeed with rpath? |
| 17:47.31 | freemangordon | btw romaxa is on #mobile, we are having some chatter |
| 17:47.39 | zeq | yes, after a fashion |
| 17:48.07 | zeq | see the commit |
| 17:48.16 | zeq | freemangordon: I've pushed the configure.in change. Make sure you add "-Wl,-rpath,/opt/qtm12/lib" to the LDFLAGS in mozconfig. |
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| 17:48.24 | zeq | from earlier ^ |
| 17:49.16 | zeq | there wasn't a clean way to get the installdir automatically in mozconfig |
| 17:50.06 | zeq | I attempted to hack something up to get the qtm12 lib dir in configure.in but I couldn't get that working. |
| 17:50.28 | zeq | It's okay in mozconfig though IMO since the PKG_CONFIG_PATH is set there anyway. |
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| 17:51.10 | zeq | freemangordon: anyway, it is working :) |
| 17:52.54 | freemangordon | zeq: yeah, sounds just a little bit hackish :) |
| 17:52.59 | freemangordon | should be ok that way |
| 17:54.01 | zeq | rpath is kind of hackish anyway :) |
| 17:58.54 | freemangordon | zeq: you're missing the fun on #mobile :P |
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| 17:59.06 | freemangordon | [20:39] <romaxa> freemangordon: I just got stuff compiled, will reflash maemo5, and try to figure out what is the status of Qt fennec on maemo5 |
| 17:59.34 | freemangordon | [20:35] <romaxa> freemangordon: btw, found fix for building with maemo5 native compiler https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=771222 |
| 17:59.36 | povbot_ | 04Bug 771222: was not found. |
| 17:59.39 | freemangordon | zeq: ^^^ |
| 18:02.37 | freemangordon | wtf? stupid wifi router :( |
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| 18:09.46 | zeq | _freemangordon: romaxa building with 4.2? |
| 18:11.16 | _freemangordon | zeq: yep. and you'd better join #mobile as I am going out adn wont be available for the next few hours |
| 18:11.57 | zeq | freemangordon: I was having my dinner :P |
| 18:12.13 | freemangordon | :) |
| 18:12.22 | freemangordon | ok, sorry to interrupt |
| 18:12.38 | freemangordon | anyway I am afk |
| 18:12.48 | zeq | see you later :) |
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| 18:14.38 | freemangordon | zeq: I had some network issues here, don;t know if that message ever made it |
| 18:14.40 | freemangordon | [20:56] <freemangordon> romaxa: here https://github.com/sjnewbury/fennec-qt-maemo5.git is the source me and zeq are using, it contains volume keys zoom patch, debian/, some changes in configure.in, patch for old maemo5 gstreamer, etc. Would you like to have commit rights? |
| 18:14.53 | freemangordon | bb |
| 18:15.32 | zeq | I can't see it on #mobile |
| 18:16.21 | freemangordon | yeah, that is what I mean |
| 18:16.25 | freemangordon | :( |
| 18:18.34 | zeq | freemangordon: I've pasted your missing offer on #mobile |
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| 19:02.41 | qwazix_ | zeq, freemangordon: found why Nokia disabled rotation on harm outside qt |
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| 19:04.24 | qwazix_ | "So there is a fair bit of xrandr functionality in the driver, but it's |
| 19:04.24 | qwazix_ | not utilized by the upper layers. The main reason for that was that the |
| 19:04.24 | qwazix_ | UI designers wanted the transitions to be glitch free, and there just |
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| 19:16.13 | RST38h | moos, sacrifices a user to the Tentacled One |
| 19:16.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi__: (typ Z-in) infinite |
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| 19:16.48 | zeq | qwazix_: rush job |
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| 19:17.58 | zsolt | hi there.got a nokia n900.i installed yesterday synaptic.something went wrong now can't boot up my phone |
| 19:17.59 | qwazix_ | zeq, and they didn't stay to that, they crippled X to NOT support xrandr |
| 19:18.08 | qwazix_ | why the hell did they do that? |
| 19:18.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi__: for all that matters in practice |
| 19:18.31 | qwazix_ | now I can't build hildon desktop |
| 19:18.51 | zsolt | the nokia logo shows up dark,and yellow led switches on and off |
| 19:19.03 | qwazix_ | bangs his head desperately on the wall |
| 19:19.11 | zsolt | cant set to flashing mode,usb not recognized |
| 19:19.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi__: if it actually starts to matter for your design, then rethink your design |
| 19:19.27 | zeq | qwazix_: can't you replace the xserver? |
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| 19:20.30 | zsolt | could somebody tell me what's next? |
| 19:20.47 | qwazix_ | zeq, seems out of my league to do that, I could give it a try though |
| 19:22.36 | pepper | zsolt what is the os your using for flashing? |
| 19:23.22 | pepper | under windows 7 it may not recognize the usb, use a linux distro or follow the usb installation instructions on the flasher page. |
| 19:23.28 | zsolt | debian |
| 19:23.32 | pepper | Hmm bugger. |
| 19:23.44 | pepper | I dont know enough then about that. |
| 19:23.54 | pepper | You said synaptic package maanger? |
| 19:23.58 | zsolt | win7 recognized as flashing driver |
| 19:24.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi__: btw usually for SoC GPIO you can switch pullup/pulldown R at your discretion |
| 19:24.13 | niwakame|afk | zsolt: your battery is full? ^^ |
| 19:24.52 | Sicelo | synaptic ..hmmm, i bet it did some apt-get autoremove or apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:24.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi__: those are in the range 1k...100k |
| 19:24.58 | pepper | problem is is that if you cant boot into the os it will not charge. |
| 19:25.11 | pepper | yeah but that shouldnt brick a device, just bork the app manager. |
| 19:25.14 | zsolt | i measured about 3,4 |
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| 19:25.28 | pepper | I think full is 4. been a while though. |
| 19:25.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | pepper: not completely correct |
| 19:26.24 | zsolt | affraid that only fbox can do the trick :( but if it is possible want to repair on my own |
| 19:26.54 | zsolt | the problem is that dmesg shows nokia phone |
| 19:26.58 | Sicelo | fbox? zsolt you don't need to panic here |
| 19:27.09 | zsolt | sorry |
| 19:27.16 | Sicelo | the easiest way out is to flash device |
| 19:27.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | zsolt: at 3.4 your battery is too flat |
| 19:27.41 | RST38h | Doc: What is new and exciting in this industry-forgotten corner of the Net? |
| 19:28.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | zsolt: at 3.4 your battery is too flat |
| 19:28.04 | Sicelo | zsolt: ^^ |
| 19:28.09 | zsolt | dmesg shows : Product:Nokia USB ROM |
| 19:28.19 | zsolt | Manufacturer: Nokia |
| 19:28.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: dunno, industry hogs my time |
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| 19:28.40 | zsolt | configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 19:28.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | zsolt: at 3.4 your battery is too flat |
| 19:28.54 | zsolt | usb disconnect,address 109 |
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| 19:29.10 | niwakame | DocScrutinizer51: one more time! |
| 19:29.11 | Sicelo | zsolt: in short, he means charge the battery using other means |
| 19:29.18 | zsolt | lsusb shows nothing |
| 19:29.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | zsolt: at 3.4 your battery is too flat |
| 19:29.26 | zsolt | ok |
| 19:29.32 | zsolt | thank you |
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| 19:29.38 | zsolt | than what's next? |
| 19:29.39 | RST38h | Meanwhile: First iOS Malware Discovered In Apple's App Store |
| 19:29.49 | Sicelo | gawd! |
| 19:29.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | charge i |
| 19:29.53 | Sicelo | link? |
| 19:30.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | it |
| 19:30.27 | niwakame | zsolt: you have access to a N97? |
| 19:30.33 | zsolt | nope |
| 19:30.35 | Sicelo | or 5800 :P |
| 19:30.39 | niwakame | yeah |
| 19:30.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | if N900 doesn't boot up, you actually need another means to charge |
| 19:30.50 | Sicelo | RST38h: link, if you may |
| 19:31.18 | niwakame | theres also a wall charger available somewhere, I think |
| 19:31.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | niwakame: eh? |
| 19:31.49 | zsolt | my phone switches on and off,and yellow led sometimes lights up,vibrates and nokia logo appears darkly |
| 19:31.52 | RST38h | mays: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/359898/20120705/first-ios-malware-discover-find-call.htm |
| 19:32.02 | Sicelo | thanks. :) |
| 19:32.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | zsolt: symthoms of too low battery and botked rootfs |
| 19:32.25 | niwakame | DocScrutinizer51: something like this? http://yby.en.alibaba.com/product/487055410-213635588/Battery_wall_charger_for_Nokia_5800_N900_X6.html |
| 19:32.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmmm |
| 19:32.54 | niwakame | should be available from bay also |
| 19:32.54 | Sicelo | someone was just today telling me that iStuff is best because everything you install is well tested and malware free |
| 19:32.57 | zsolt | got a wall charger and a data cable |
| 19:32.57 | Sicelo | :P |
| 19:33.08 | zsolt | i going to charge it to full |
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| 19:33.23 | zsolt | but after that what can I do? |
| 19:33.29 | niwakame | zsolt: problem is, n900 needs cpu to be active to charge (or charging processor thingy) |
| 19:34.05 | niwakame | zsolt: if it's too flat, it won't charge, because it loses power when trying to activate the circuits |
| 19:34.19 | niwakame | (simple version, ask DocScrutinizer51 for a half hour explanation :P) |
| 19:34.27 | niwakame | no pun intended! |
| 19:34.36 | zsolt | understand,thank you |
| 19:34.58 | niwakame | ask your friends if someone has a compatible battery or nokia 5800 or n97 |
| 19:35.20 | zsolt | thank you |
| 19:35.28 | niwakame | Or get McGyver, jumper cables, a chewing gum paper and a car battery |
| 19:35.30 | niwakame | ;) |
| 19:35.37 | zsolt | :) |
| 19:35.50 | Sicelo | ~flatbat-recover |
| 19:35.58 | niwakame | forgot |
| 19:36.00 | Sicelo | hmm, been a long time |
| 19:36.12 | Sicelo | ~flat-bat-recover |
| 19:36.43 | niwakame | infobot is busy atm |
| 19:36.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~flatbatrecover |
| 19:36.49 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover |
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| 19:37.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | this applies only when your rootfs not fecked |
| 19:39.10 | zsolt | i think that messed up my system with synaptic sysupdate :( |
| 19:40.14 | niwakame | huh, out of my league, but shouldn't do that |
| 19:40.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's why every expereinced N900 user always as a charged spare battery |
| 19:41.05 | niwakame | ;) |
| 19:41.49 | zsolt | thank you for advices |
| 19:42.03 | niwakame | welcome |
| 19:51.26 | kerio | is there a way to make fapman default to "All packages" in the filter? |
| 19:51.30 | kerio | *as the filter |
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| 19:54.11 | kerio | also, did someone change the shell for root without breaking anything |
| 19:54.13 | kerio | ? |
| 19:57.48 | RiD | fapman is a terrible name |
| 19:58.22 | kerio | fapman is an awesome name |
| 20:00.39 | jacekowski | fap fap fap |
| 20:02.15 | RiD | faster app faster app faster app. that's what you said |
| 20:04.17 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: for root it's basically safe |
| 20:04.29 | DocScrutinizer | not though for user |
| 20:04.34 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: wait, what? |
| 20:04.35 | kerio | D: |
| 20:04.37 | kerio | i changed it for user |
| 20:05.38 | DocScrutinizer | changing shell in itself doesn't mean a lot either |
| 20:05.58 | RST38h | fap fap fap |
| 20:06.05 | RST38h | fsck fsck fsck |
| 20:06.12 | DocScrutinizer | it's alternatives for fubar messybox builtin unix tools that will "break" stuff for user |
| 20:06.29 | kerio | meh, i don't give a shit about that |
| 20:06.31 | RST38h | or even touch;finger;fsck;clear |
| 20:07.08 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: oh? |
| 20:07.29 | DocScrutinizer | so what is it then you want from a "better" shell? |
| 20:07.37 | kerio | gnu tools, for instance :) |
| 20:07.44 | kerio | i followed jrtools |
| 20:07.51 | DocScrutinizer | THAT'S WHAT I TALK ABOUT, foooool! |
| 20:08.24 | kerio | seriously though |
| 20:08.37 | kerio | i've changed user's shell since forever |
| 20:08.41 | kerio | and had no problems |
| 20:09.05 | DocScrutinizer | some pretty basic command like ls doesn'T behave posix conforming in messybox, and user/hildon startup scripts relied on that. Dunno if it changed |
| 20:09.22 | kerio | i'm just going to go ahead and assume that scripts are correctly shebanged to run in busybox and not just "sh" |
| 20:09.41 | kerio | because i live in a world of fantasy where everyone is happy c: |
| 20:09.48 | DocScrutinizer | bwahaha |
| 20:11.07 | RST38h | quietly considers sacrificing kerio to the Tentacled One. A little morsel indeed, but will count for something. |
| 20:11.49 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 20:11.50 | kerio | i really hope i didn't break backupmenu now |
| 20:11.56 | kerio | it would suck to lose *that* |
| 20:12.02 | kerio | (changed root's shell now |
| 20:12.07 | DocScrutinizer | nah, that should be fine |
| 20:12.08 | kerio | aaargh mismatched parentheses) |
| 20:12.12 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Linux Played a Vital Role In Discovery of Higgs Boson (guess the source of this headline without googling) |
| 20:12.20 | kerio | slashdot? |
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| 20:12.25 | RST38h | RRRIGHT |
| 20:12.29 | kerio | fuck yeah |
| 20:12.44 | kerio | stuff like that is one of the reasons i stopped reading /. |
| 20:12.50 | kerio | another is that reddit takes up too much time anywayt |
| 20:12.51 | kerio | *anyway |
| 20:13.10 | RiD | RST38h what fsck stands for |
| 20:13.19 | RST38h | RiD: Google? |
| 20:13.20 | RiD | infobot, what is fapman |
| 20:13.20 | infobot | I think you lost me on that one, RiD |
| 20:13.22 | merlin1991 | kerio: I ususally skip directly to the comments section and read it for personal amusement :D |
| 20:13.23 | DocScrutinizer | fires a higgs boson gun at RST38h general direction |
| 20:13.31 | RiD | RST38h no thanks |
| 20:13.34 | RST38h | eats that higgs boson whole |
| 20:13.45 | kerio | dammit RST38h |
| 20:13.47 | RiD | higgs boson should be a name for a high calory cake |
| 20:13.50 | kerio | aren't you fat enough already |
| 20:13.56 | kerio | RiD: exactly |
| 20:13.58 | DocScrutinizer | this will cause quite some mass in your stomach ;-P |
| 20:14.03 | RST38h | No, I am not fat.I am evil. |
| 20:14.14 | kerio | RiD: or a protein shake |
| 20:14.21 | RiD | infobot no, fapman is Faster Application Manager, an alternative to the bulky and slow one that comes by default on the N900 |
| 20:14.21 | infobot | okay, RiD |
| 20:14.26 | RiD | smart boy |
| 20:14.37 | kerio | ~fapman |
| 20:14.37 | infobot | [fapman] Faster Application Manager, an alternative to the bulky and slow one that comes by default on the N900 |
| 20:14.43 | kerio | ~botsnack |
| 20:14.43 | infobot | kerio: :) |
| 20:14.48 | kerio | infobot: :) |
| 20:14.48 | infobot | (: |
| 20:14.55 | kerio | d'awwwwwwwwwwww~ |
| 20:15.16 | RiD | infobot what is opera |
| 20:15.16 | infobot | i guess opera is at http://www.opera.com or opera ends when the fat lady sings. |
| 20:15.17 | kerio | so cute ^^ |
| 20:15.23 | RiD | good. |
| 20:15.44 | RiD | DocScrutinizer / DocScrutinizer51 don't be mad :( |
| 20:15.53 | RST38h | ~fsck |
| 20:15.53 | infobot | No devices specified to be checked! |
| 20:16.00 | RST38h | ~fsck RiD |
| 20:16.01 | infobot | e2fsck /dev/RiD : warning! filesystem contains dickheads! |
| 20:16.06 | RiD | wha |
| 20:16.07 | RST38h | Hmmmmmmm |
| 20:16.15 | RiD | sorry i just reflashed my brain |
| 20:16.31 | RST38h | can you rollback to the previous version? |
| 20:16.39 | RiD | no, this is android |
| 20:16.42 | kerio | of course you can! with backupmenu! |
| 20:16.54 | RiD | i don't have a backupmenu |
| 20:16.58 | RiD | this is life or death, kid |
| 20:17.13 | RST38h | do you also have nitroid installed there? |
| 20:17.18 | RiD | or infinite reboots until the death |
| 20:17.29 | kerio | hehehe, Mr. RSTti |
| 20:18.01 | kerio | hrmpf, can someone give me a link to download opera mobile for maemo? |
| 20:18.11 | RiD | use their repositories |
| 20:18.23 | kerio | the website tells me to go to m.opera.com |
| 20:18.30 | kerio | i go there, i get redirected to a desktop site |
| 20:18.37 | kerio | that tells me to go to m.opera.com on my device |
| 20:18.49 | RiD | kerio try this http://www.opera.com/download/get.pl?sub=++++&id=32891&location=270&nothanks=yes |
| 20:18.49 | kerio | silly opera, user agents don't work that way |
| 20:19.14 | kerio | RiD: hahaha, nothanks=yes always makes me crack |
| 20:19.32 | RiD | no thanks. |
| 20:19.41 | kerio | is it worth installing? |
| 20:19.44 | kerio | or is microB still better? |
| 20:19.51 | RiD | Well, it really depends on what you're browsing |
| 20:20.32 | RiD | Let's say that Opera is usually faster at loading pages, doesn't screw up with big images unlike microb, but doesn't have flash and the scrolling can be stutterish |
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| 20:22.11 | RiD | i find myself using opera more and more because of the site desktop "updates". They put all that fancy transition moving things and stuff, but their mobile version is always TOO basic |
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| 20:24.41 | ShadowJK | I think opera is also in extras? |
| 20:24.44 | ShadowJK | maybe devel only |
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| 20:46.51 | kerio | ShadowJK: it appears so |
| 20:46.51 | kerio | yay |
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| 22:00.25 | zsolt | hi there.i currently seeking a solution how to boot maemo from sd card.are there any rescue systems that boots from sd card? |
| 22:00.32 | Raimu | Dang, there's a Opera Mobile 12 but maemo hasn't received its version yet. |
| 22:01.17 | Raimu | Used to be those Nokia fans at Opera would make one for the n900 too, even though it's not an official platform target. |
| 22:01.18 | SpeedEvil | zsolt: It can be done - if you've already installed a bootloader on the main flash |
| 22:01.43 | zsolt | i didn't |
| 22:02.00 | zsolt | i need just a basic kernel and a busybox |
| 22:02.03 | SpeedEvil | zsolt: is your USB broken? |
| 22:02.25 | zsolt | my filesystem is corrupted and cant boot my phone |
| 22:02.56 | zsolt | can't reflash my phone since the battery is undercharged |
| 22:03.35 | zsolt | and got no idea what to do.so if i am able to boot a rescue os that will do the trick i think |
| 22:04.00 | zsolt | i will able to charge my battery |
| 22:04.46 | SpeedEvil | Plug it in, and start the flasher - it should do 'waiting for charge' or something |
| 22:05.34 | SpeedEvil | And it will charge up to the required level in the flasher |
| 22:05.59 | zsolt | problem is that flasher cant see my phone,nor lsusb |
| 22:06.08 | zsolt | dmesg shows as nokia rom |
| 22:06.23 | zsolt | but it says that it is disconnected |
| 22:06.51 | SpeedEvil | you may need to remove a USB module - it's been a while since I did this |
| 22:06.53 | SpeedEvil | ~flashing |
| 22:06.53 | infobot | somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 22:06.55 | zsolt | only nokia logo shows up darkly |
| 22:07.35 | zsolt | tryed to press u button,nothing happens |
| 22:07.56 | SpeedEvil | Have you tried plugging it into the wallcharger for a day? |
| 22:08.18 | SpeedEvil | The easy solution is to buy a cheap battery from ebay. |
| 22:08.51 | zsolt | yes,but i heard a rumor that the charging is intelligent,so if the os is messed up,it can't charge the battery |
| 22:09.18 | SpeedEvil | To a degree, yes. |
| 22:11.39 | qwazix_ | do you have any other old phone around (preferably nokia)? |
| 22:11.50 | zsolt | yes |
| 22:11.58 | zsolt | got a 9600 |
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| 22:12.14 | zsolt | or something like that |
| 22:12.41 | qwazix_ | You could try connecting the N900 battery to that, either if it partially fits, or using little cables, and charge it for a while |
| 22:13.22 | SpeedEvil | There are also very cheap usb chargers |
| 22:13.24 | zsolt | is it harmful? |
| 22:13.50 | qwazix_ | I've successfully cross-charged nokia batteries by managing to make contact between the battery and phone even if the battery doesn't fit exactly |
| 22:14.07 | qwazix_ | the voltage is the same (you can always double-check that) |
| 22:14.15 | zsolt | got a bl4c battery |
| 22:14.30 | qwazix_ | and if you don't leave it to charge to full there should be no problem with capacity either |
| 22:14.32 | zsolt | and n900 uses bl5j |
| 22:14.56 | qwazix_ | ~bl4c |
| 22:15.23 | zsolt | they are the same voltage :) |
| 22:15.30 | zsolt | thank you so much |
| 22:16.34 | zsolt | there are 3 contacts in the phone |
| 22:16.39 | SpeedEvil | I'd just get a cheap one - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OEM-NOKIA-BATTERY-BL-5J-FOR-X1-00-X1-01-C3-00-X6-5800-N900-5230-5235-5228-/190543115168?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2c5d4133a0 |
| 22:16.40 | zsolt | and in the batt |
| 22:16.52 | SpeedEvil | At that sort of price - it's a no-brainer |
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| 22:17.11 | potter | Hi there, please help me |
| 22:17.12 | zsolt | should i contact the third one too? |
| 22:17.30 | potter | I want to flash my N900 but I dont know if I have to use the vanilla img |
| 22:17.54 | qwazix_ | it seems that the +/- are differently arranged |
| 22:18.38 | GeneralAntilles | potter, what region is your N900? |
| 22:18.49 | potter | I think it is UK |
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| 22:19.22 | GeneralAntilles | Cripes, somebody really uglified my pretty article. :( http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 22:19.45 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 22:19.50 | SpeedEvil | They do that. |
| 22:20.12 | potter | well, I need a little help, I am not very good with english |
| 22:20.31 | GeneralAntilles | Purty: http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Updating_the_firmware&oldid=22709 |
| 22:20.34 | GeneralAntilles | 2009 |
| 22:20.36 | GeneralAntilles | feels old |
| 22:21.14 | potter | I read in a web that I dont need to use the emmc to flash it, it is only necesary with the preproduction |
| 22:21.55 | GeneralAntilles | is no longer an expert on this. |
| 22:22.05 | qwazix_ | zsolt, I wouldn't contact it like that, you have to match + to + - to - and ground to ground |
| 22:23.42 | qwazix_ | it doesn't seem too easy. I've done it between bl4c and bl5c where at least the contacts have the same order |
| 22:24.10 | qwazix_ | but you can always try, if you don't short cirquit it there should be no harm |
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| 22:34.18 | potter | GeneralAntilles, my maemo version is fremantle, is it an old version? |
| 22:34.39 | SpeedEvil | Fremantle is the n900 version. |
| 22:34.43 | SpeedEvil | There isn't a newer |
| 22:35.55 | potter | wich is the newer firmware version |
| 22:37.10 | qwazix_ | cross your fingers hildon-desktop is building on harmattan scratchbox... |
| 22:37.17 | qwazix_ | let's see how it goes |
| 22:37.55 | qwazix_ | bah, errors... |
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| 22:47.45 | potter | GeneralAntilles, gave me 2 links, wich one is the right one? |
| 22:48.07 | potter | one tells me to use the emmc, the other one just the firmware |
| 22:48.37 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 22:48.56 | potter | mmm, ok |
| 22:49.00 | potter | ty |
| 22:50.57 | potter | GeneralAntilles, one more think, can I use any of the firmware regins? I am from latin america and I would like the global if it is posible |
| 22:51.13 | GeneralAntilles | I think global will be fine. |
| 22:51.16 | GeneralAntilles | Just don't use Chinese. |
| 22:51.33 | potter | ??? |
| 22:52.13 | RiD | i found a weird link that redirects to maemo talk |
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| 22:53.20 | RiD | http://5z8.info/stalin_x7u6ye_freeporn |
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| 23:00.20 | potter | to download the flasher, there are 2 versions, the 64 ver for harmattan and the 32 ver for fremantle and diablo, but the proble is that my os is a Debian 64 |
| 23:00.34 | potter | when installin the package gives me error |
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