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| 05:12.46 | iluminator105 | where in audio files located in n900 folders |
| 05:12.52 | iluminator105 | where is audio files located in n900 folders |
| 05:16.26 | ShadowJK | /home/user/MyDocs/.sounds ? |
| 05:16.41 | ShadowJK | or .sound |
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| 05:27.04 | iluminator105 | ShadowJK, thanks |
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| 06:16.46 | kerio | what's up with the hidden directories for that, anyway? |
| 06:16.50 | kerio | what's wrong with "Sounds"? |
| 06:23.30 | jacekowski | look at file manager |
| 06:23.35 | jacekowski | it is sounds |
| 06:23.38 | jacekowski | on english locale |
| 06:23.42 | jacekowski | Sound* |
| 06:23.48 | jacekowski | but if you go to any other locale |
| 06:24.02 | jacekowski | maemo file manager will make the name look like it's in your local lingo |
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| 06:32.53 | kerio | jacekowski: os x does that |
| 06:33.05 | kerio | but the directories are still called in a sensible way |
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| 06:47.04 | jacekowski | osx sucks |
| 06:47.15 | kerio | lol why u mad tho |
| 06:47.28 | kerio | and really, it's doing the same thing maemo filebrowser does |
| 06:47.36 | kerio | except without hiding the actual directories |
| 06:49.48 | luke-jr | I agree with kerio FWIW |
| 06:50.02 | luke-jr | there could at least be symlinks |
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| 06:51.06 | kerio | luke-jr: that's actually even worse |
| 06:51.22 | kerio | hm, how does windows access those directories? |
| 06:51.31 | kerio | there are some "aliases" for os x |
| 06:52.32 | luke-jr | screw Windows |
| 06:52.37 | luke-jr | that's half the problem with Maemo |
| 06:52.44 | luke-jr | trying to be Windows-friendly |
| 06:52.45 | kerio | i know :s |
| 06:52.50 | kerio | fucking fat32 mydocs |
| 06:53.00 | luke-jr | but to answer, Windows actually names your directories in your locale |
| 06:53.09 | luke-jr | and has registry keys that tell programs what they're called |
| 06:53.35 | luke-jr | (that's for the OS user dirs, not accessing Maemo's… not sure on the latter) |
| 06:53.56 | kerio | no, i don't really care about its directories :) |
| 06:54.18 | kerio | os x has empty ".localized" files in the directories that have to be renamed |
| 06:54.47 | kerio | and then it has its own lookup table |
| 06:54.53 | kerio | by name |
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| 08:34.33 | freemangordon | zeq: there is a massive back out in fennec from yesterday, seems not only we were hit by the scrolling/performance problem. could you pull the latest code from mercurial and push it on github? |
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| 09:08.45 | zeq | freemangordon: there's a mirror of mozilla-central on github btw. I've rebased it on the current upstream. |
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| 09:15.39 | freemangordon | zeq: great. btw you may want to join #mobile, romaxa is there and there is an interesting discussion going on ;) |
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| 09:50.51 | vi__ | I went to #mobile to read interestings discussions. |
| 09:50.57 | vi__ | I was dissapointed. |
| 09:51.24 | zeq | freemangordon: not everything for CSSU-thumb installs cleanly in the SDK. |
| 09:51.42 | freemangordon | zeq: for example? |
| 09:51.55 | zeq | I'll go through it all again and take proper notes :) |
| 09:52.12 | freemangordon | once you have the correct repos in place it should be ok |
| 09:52.18 | zeq | it was something to do with the flasher |
| 09:52.28 | freemangordon | vi__: #mobile in mozilla? |
| 09:52.29 | zeq | not even relevent to the SDK |
| 09:52.57 | zeq | vi__: irc.mozilla.org |
| 09:53.12 | freemangordon | vi__: you're not interested to get fennec running on n900? |
| 09:53.15 | freemangordon | :P |
| 09:53.27 | zeq | @60fps ;) |
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| 10:03.20 | vi__ | freemangordon: Yes I am very interested. I went to #mobile on freenode. |
| 10:03.23 | vi__ | I was the only one there. |
| 10:03.30 | vi__ | Forever alone. |
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| 10:03.57 | psycho_oreos | vi__, you meant ##mobile :) |
| 10:03.58 | freemangordon | vi__: irc.mozilla.org |
| 10:04.08 | psycho_oreos | oh wait |
| 10:04.41 | vi__ | freemangordon: email yet? |
| 10:06.38 | freemangordon | vi__: no |
| 10:07.16 | zeq | freemangordon: soo many mozilla bugs... looking to see if there's a suitable on for our fremantle patch |
| 10:07.37 | freemangordon | zeq: ok. |
| 10:07.45 | freemangordon | zeq: building the latest |
| 10:08.10 | freemangordon | and going off for lunch :) |
| 10:08.40 | zeq | I'm kinda hungry too now you mention it... |
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| 10:09.08 | vi__ | freemangordon: how do I enable backing swap? I tried insmod /path/to/ramzswap.ko backing_swap=/path/to/backingswap disksize=soem_disksize |
| 10:09.39 | vi__ | but I have NFC ho to see if it has worked without stats from rzcontrol. |
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| 10:11.55 | vi__ | also, how does it compress without the LZO module? |
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| 10:17.20 | vi__ | ok. There seems to be some useful discussion on the google code page: |
| 10:17.23 | vi__ | https://code.google.com/p/compcache/wiki/CompilingAndUsingNew |
| 10:17.35 | vi__ | although the lzo question still stands. |
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| 10:47.29 | vi__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.31 | vi__ | k0p3 memlimit_kb=63556 |
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| 11:23.04 | freemangordon | vi__:lzo iz compiled in kernel |
| 11:23.08 | freemangordon | *is |
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| 11:30.03 | freemangordon | zeq: latest m-c fennec works ok |
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| 11:30.45 | zeq | freemangordon: hw accel? |
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| 11:34.01 | freemangordon | without. and it is FASTER than before, lemme check if HW accel works |
| 11:36.59 | zeq | faster is good :) |
| 11:37.05 | zeq | how's memory usage? |
| 11:38.02 | freemangordon | hmm, HW accel works too, despite those "couldn't create EGL image errors", and it is FAST |
| 11:38.19 | freemangordon | cannot assess memory usage :( |
| 11:38.49 | zeq | nice! :D |
| 11:39.12 | freemangordon | well, fwnnwc uses 47.6 MB, TMO loaded |
| 11:39.17 | freemangordon | *fennec |
| 11:39.32 | freemangordon | plugin-container uses 31.3MB |
| 11:39.38 | freemangordon | that is according to conky |
| 11:39.59 | zeq | why so much for plugin-container? that's flash? |
| 11:40.09 | freemangordon | NFC |
| 11:40.38 | freemangordon | there is no flash content on TMO, so I don't know. lemme check yotube |
| 11:42.13 | freemangordon | crashed :D |
| 11:42.32 | zeq | oops! |
| 11:42.36 | freemangordon | trying without hw accel |
| 11:43.21 | vi__ | freemangordon: ty |
| 11:44.12 | freemangordon | vi__: np |
| 11:45.03 | freemangordon | zeq: SF rendering seems still to be faster than HW, will have to wai romaxa to fix that |
| 11:45.48 | freemangordon | s/SF/SW/ |
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| 11:53.24 | zeq | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=770845 |
| 11:53.26 | povbot_ | 04Bug 770845: was not found. |
| 11:53.41 | zeq | freemangordon: ^ |
| 11:53.54 | freemangordon | Platform: x86_64 Linux |
| 11:53.56 | freemangordon | :D:D:D |
| 11:54.07 | zeq | oops! :/ |
| 11:54.41 | zeq | better :) |
| 11:55.24 | freemangordon | yeah, much better :) |
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| 12:01.11 | zeq | linaro 4.7-2012.07 is expected on the 12th |
| 12:03.09 | zeq | freemangordon: do you think it's worth trying to build a "proper" scratchbox toolchain from it, or just update the kernel headers and C lib from CSSU-thumb and build another "alien toolchain"? |
| 12:03.35 | zeq | (Definitely need to update the kernel headers!) |
| 12:04.48 | freemangordon | zeq: I am not the correct person to answer that :(. It seems you're much more experienced than me on that matter - take my "toolchain" as a proof :D. |
| 12:05.09 | freemangordon | But anything that works should be ok |
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| 12:05.55 | vi__ | backingswap...ouch. |
| 12:06.25 | freemangordon | vi__: toldya ;) |
| 12:06.32 | vi__ | but why?? |
| 12:06.46 | vi__ | wtf did nokia do to the VM? |
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| 12:06.55 | freemangordon | NFC |
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| 12:21.50 | freemangordon | zeq: well, flash is totally broken in latest :(. |
| 12:26.31 | zeq | freemangordon: did you look at what romaxa pointed us at? |
| 12:26.58 | freemangordon | zeq: which one? |
| 12:27.04 | zeq | for the flash plugin |
| 12:27.17 | freemangordon | that should be enabled |
| 12:27.25 | zeq | it probably uses a completely different codepath |
| 12:27.31 | zeq | maybe |
| 12:27.41 | freemangordon | and while it was slow before, now it is totally broken |
| 12:28.34 | zeq | freemangordon: looking for what romaxa said... |
| 12:28.47 | freemangordon | ok |
| 12:29.27 | zeq | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=598868 |
| 12:29.29 | povbot_ | 04Bug 598868: was not found. |
| 12:30.28 | zeq | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.40 | zeq | (romaxa said ^) |
| 12:32.19 | freemangordon | yeah, but what about it? |
| 12:32.24 | kerio | huh, how does maemo figure out what's the sim's number? |
| 12:32.31 | zeq | freemangordon: looks like a MAEMO=6 needs changing |
| 12:32.43 | zeq | freemangordon: it only enables qt stuff for HARM |
| 12:32.53 | freemangordon | zeq: naah |
| 12:33.04 | freemangordon | it is ok |
| 12:33.05 | zeq | dom/plugins/ipc/PluginInstanceChild.cpp |
| 12:33.20 | freemangordon | #if (MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 5) || (MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 6) |
| 12:33.24 | freemangordon | it isok |
| 12:33.32 | zeq | if defined(MOZ_WIDGET_QT) && (MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 6) |
| 12:33.47 | zeq | at the top |
| 12:33.56 | zeq | re Qt includes |
| 12:34.26 | ShadowJK | vi__, backing swap of ramzswap seems to use very random access patterns for write requests, whereas the nokia modified default swapout tries to keep writes as sequential as possible. This is a bit different from mainline linux, which tries to put writes near last read OR write access. |
| 12:34.36 | ShadowJK | random write requests == slow on flash |
| 12:35.30 | zeq | freemangordon: I guess you're right, it mostly seems to refer to keyboard modifiers |
| 12:35.35 | freemangordon | zeq: yes, but that is some key handling, on all other places it is #if (MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 5) || (MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 6) |
| 12:35.37 | freemangordon | yep |
| 12:36.15 | freemangordon | BTW sunspider scores even better, now it is 5095 |
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| 12:37.03 | zeq | N900 hw is pretty nice when running optimal code :) |
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| 12:37.27 | Lava_Croft | cant wait for nonsucking fennec |
| 12:38.23 | freemangordon | yep. dang, my desktop scores 6 times faster. 4 phenom2 955 3.2G cores. it is pretty impressive result |
| 12:38.49 | vi__ | ShadowJK: ty |
| 12:38.52 | zeq | yeah.. embarassing really |
| 12:39.29 | zeq | ARM Cortex-A8 that much better clock for clock? |
| 12:39.31 | ShadowJK | mainline linux is optimized for hd, nokia mods optimized for flash, and ramzswap backing swap seems unoptimized ;) |
| 12:39.43 | vi__ | ShadowJK: bah! |
| 12:40.05 | vi__ | ~awesome |
| 12:40.05 | infobot | hmm... awesome is JoshBang |
| 12:40.15 | freemangordon | zeq: who knows. |
| 12:40.39 | freemangordon | but values are those |
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| 12:40.59 | freemangordon | you may try to run it too |
| 12:41.11 | zeq | I will :) |
| 12:41.46 | zeq | going to re-merge my gstreamer config patch too, see if that works |
| 12:42.06 | freemangordon | what i cannot understand is why it loads pages so slow. |
| 12:42.10 | zeq | I had to move the Maemo config block above the codecs in configure.in |
| 12:42.11 | freemangordon | zeq: pull it first |
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| 12:42.27 | freemangordon | i've commited the .patch |
| 12:42.55 | zeq | freemangordon: I think something is timing out on page GET |
| 12:43.06 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, btw, signatures aren't displayed in default maemo.org theme |
| 12:43.16 | zeq | need to check what goes over the wire |
| 12:43.38 | zeq | it's fast once the page starts loading |
| 12:44.24 | zeq | freemangordon: I need to walk my dog now... I'll be back later :) |
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| 12:57.57 | freemangordon | in the meantime: ACTA is doomed in EU |
| 12:58.17 | vi__ | yippee! |
| 13:03.50 | sheepbat | dammit, jake lloyd |
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| 13:50.23 | vi__ | wtf is faster N9? |
| 13:50.29 | vi__ | Is it like the new speedpatch? |
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| 13:56.01 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: tweaks and transitions for n9 |
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| 14:01.16 | RiD | dont talk about "speedpatch" :( |
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| 14:13.23 | kerio | yo vi__ |
| 14:13.27 | kerio | gimme a prebuilt reaver-wps |
| 14:14.14 | zeq | freemangordon: fennec build underway... |
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| 14:21.18 | kerio | DocScrutinizer et al.: what's the "correct" way of compiling stuff on the n900? |
| 14:22.38 | vi__ | kerio: you what? |
| 14:23.08 | kerio | vi__: nevermind, found one |
| 14:23.17 | kerio | a thing to bruteforce wps pins |
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| 14:36.47 | vi__ | I know what it is. |
| 14:36.58 | vi__ | 1. Hello <fellow user> |
| 14:37.04 | vi__ | 2. Banal platitude. |
| 14:37.13 | vi__ | 3. <your request here> |
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| 14:51.08 | freemangordon | zeq: maps.google.com does not turn gps on. are you aware of something specioal we should do to enable geolocation? |
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| 15:07.20 | zeq | freemangordon: I would have thought it should work. |
| 15:07.27 | zeq | Anybody here with an N9? |
| 15:07.46 | vi__ | zeq #harmattan |
| 15:07.52 | vi__ | zeq: #harmattan |
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| 15:08.01 | zeq | vi__: thx |
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| 15:10.26 | zeq | lots of the same faces over there :) |
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| 15:16.59 | qwazix_900 | seems my previous messages never got posted |
| 15:17.04 | qwazix_900 | freemangordon: do you have your builds hosted somewhere? I'd love to do some testing. |
| 15:17.12 | qwazix_900 | btw, using cssu-thumb for about a week and I haven't got any single problem or crash |
| 15:18.32 | qwazix_900 | zeq: have a N9 what can I do? |
| 15:20.57 | zeq | qwazix_900: if you could install fennec, and report back whether gps works on maps.google.com |
| 15:21.11 | qwazix_900 | just a minute |
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| 15:24.28 | qwazix_900 | zeq: asks for location only after tapping on the dot above the little guy in the map |
| 15:24.42 | zeq | freemangordon: did you do that? ^ |
| 15:24.53 | qwazix_900 | above the zoom bar (desktop website) |
| 15:25.15 | qwazix_900 | then position works as expected |
| 15:25.20 | zeq | qwazix_900: using gps? |
| 15:25.53 | qwazix_900 | trying. I'm inside |
| 15:26.04 | qwazix_900 | let me get on the balcony |
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| 15:26.45 | vi__ | ShadowJK: but then how did backing swap work on the N8X0? |
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| 15:29.24 | qwazix_900 | I enabled mapsgl to see what'll happen and now I can't press the dot. Other controls work |
| 15:30.00 | qwazix_900 | got it, its pretty small and without a stylus... |
| 15:32.28 | zeq | qwazix_900: it's using gps though, right? |
| 15:32.43 | zeq | I'll test it if my fennec build ever completes :) |
| 15:33.04 | qwazix_900 | Can't say. The icon in status bar has not appeared |
| 15:33.28 | qwazix_900 | Im trying to guess from accuracy but handling is a pain |
| 15:34.13 | zeq | Kozzi on #harmattan tested and seems to think it's working..? |
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| 15:34.54 | zeq | apparently had a couple of confirmations for sharing location |
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| 15:36.11 | qwazix_900 | from accuracy it does NOT seem to be using gps |
| 15:36.33 | qwazix_900 | gives me about 50 meters radius circle |
| 15:37.03 | zeq | qwazix_900: any gps indicator? |
| 15:37.23 | qwazix_900 | no |
| 15:37.33 | zeq | freemangordon: did it attempt to get location at all? |
| 15:38.22 | qwazix_900 | I opened nokia maps to force the gps on, but accuracy on google maps still the same. It does ask for location, I answered yes and gives me an approximation |
| 15:39.30 | zeq | thanks qwazix_900 |
| 15:42.28 | qwazix_900 | np |
| 15:45.12 | qwazix_900 | btw MapsGL works but it's slow and now I can boil an egg on the N9 |
| 15:46.45 | zeq | Probably no webgl hw acceleration |
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| 16:20.27 | _freemangordon | zeq: just clicked on that dot, lets see |
| 16:20.47 | _freemangordon | yep, GPS is on :) |
| 16:21.33 | zeq | :D |
| 16:21.52 | _freemangordon | what's MapsGL? |
| 16:21.57 | zeq | libqtm works then :) |
| 16:22.41 | zeq | it's supposed to be 3d hw accelerated google maps |
| 16:22.45 | _freemangordon | yep, it geave me my correct location, even I am indoors, let me go outside to check the accuracy |
| 16:23.00 | zeq | like a cut down web version of googleearth |
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| 16:23.36 | ZogG_laptop | _freemangordon: zeq you are too stuborn ants, working all the time i see you here |
| 16:23.39 | ZogG_laptop | =) |
| 16:23.45 | _freemangordon | hmm"your computer is running webgl slowly..." |
| 16:24.22 | zeq | I saw a bug in moz bugzilla mentioning lack of hw accel on harm |
| 16:24.22 | _freemangordon | I hope to find a way to disable it afterwards :D |
| 16:24.35 | zeq | ZogG_laptop: LOL |
| 16:25.13 | _freemangordon | I still faile to see why it loads the sites so slow |
| 16:25.20 | ZogG_laptop | btw zeq _freemangordon you update the newest fennec? afaik new one for android has better UI |
| 16:25.45 | zeq | ZogG_laptop: new one for Android has a native Android UI |
| 16:26.29 | ZogG_laptop | so in order to have one we need to reqrite the UI only? |
| 16:26.30 | zeq | _freemangordon: did you try running a packet sniffer? |
| 16:26.46 | _freemangordon | no |
| 16:26.50 | ZogG_laptop | in similuar way damagedspine is doing for wazr |
| 16:28.35 | zeq | ZogG_laptop: microb is pretty much equivilent, but stuck with an old version of Gecko |
| 16:28.57 | zeq | not much we can do with that unless Nokia release the source |
| 16:29.21 | zeq | so, yes a new UI would have to be written to make it like the Android version. |
| 16:29.25 | qwazix_900 | "your computer is running webgl slowly..." also on N9 |
| 16:29.29 | _freemangordon | zeq: did you see romaxa's questions for native Qt UI? |
| 16:29.52 | zeq | no, what did he say? |
| 16:30.07 | freemangordon | aah :P |
| 16:30.09 | zeq | is he writing one? |
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| 16:30.59 | freemangordon | [12:07] <romaxa> freemangordon: not sure how much you interested in qt development UI, but I have qtmozembed project which basically does things similar to webkit2, startup equivalent to microb or normal qt application, scrolling zooming 60fps, similar to android native fennec, but using Qt embedding APIS |
| 16:30.59 | freemangordon | [12:08] <freemangordon> romaxa: having microb replaced with a modern browser is our ultimate goal ;) |
| 16:31.27 | freemangordon | [12:08] <freemangordon> not that microb is bad, its just gecko behind it getting old |
| 16:31.27 | freemangordon | [12:09] <freemangordon> plus I prefer Qt over GTK for new development |
| 16:31.27 | freemangordon | [12:09] <romaxa> freemangordon: yep, main problem with qtembedding APIs is that someone need to write Qt browser UI... like moz guys did with android native UI |
| 16:31.27 | freemangordon | [12:10] <freemangordon> yep, I saw your patches, any intention to upstream that? |
| 16:31.27 | freemangordon | [12:10] <romaxa> freemangordon: I was talking about qtmozembed which is using all latest tech from mozilla central, off main thread compositing et.c. |
| 16:31.28 | freemangordon | [12:10] <freemangordon> yes, I look at your wiki page where are the instruction for building for harm |
| 16:31.28 | freemangordon | [12:10] <romaxa> freemangordon: I tried to push it into upstream, but bsmedberg by some unclear reason against that |
| 16:31.29 | freemangordon | [12:11] <freemangordon> yeah, saw the bug :) |
| 16:31.29 | freemangordon | [12:11] <freemangordon> *I saw |
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| 16:33.06 | freemangordon | It is not very clear what intensions romaxa has, but the fact that he set up my toolchain in his SB sounds promising |
| 16:33.11 | zeq | I wonder why the upstream resistance? |
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| 16:33.50 | qwazix_900 | I'm interested in building the ui if you're looking for hands, that is if it's possible to do it in QML |
| 16:33.51 | freemangordon | you ask? why upstream guys reject patches? comeon buddy :P |
| 16:34.09 | zeq | politics :) |
| 16:34.30 | zeq | qwazix_900: More hands are certainly welcome |
| 16:35.05 | zeq | freemangordon: do you think QML would be fast enough? |
| 16:35.26 | freemangordon | but romaxa deffinitely shows interest in helpng us with n900 port |
| 16:35.28 | freemangordon | zeq |
| 16:35.32 | freemangordon | oops |
| 16:35.50 | freemangordon | zeq: I don't think we need anything but Qt for that |
| 16:35.56 | freemangordon | qwazix_900: ^^^ |
| 16:36.11 | qwazix_900 | you mean qtwidget? |
| 16:36.26 | freemangordon | Qt in CSSU is hildonized to the point you only need to setup the correct object name |
| 16:36.34 | freemangordon | qwazix_900: yes |
| 16:36.46 | freemangordon | or QtGraphicsWidget more precisely |
| 16:36.54 | qwazix_900 | I'll have to brush my skills on that |
| 16:36.56 | freemangordon | foe egl HW acceleration |
| 16:37.19 | zeq | it's great we've encouraged romaxa to rejoin the N900 efforts :) |
| 16:37.26 | freemangordon | yes |
| 16:37.29 | zeq | wasted on Harmattan ;) |
| 16:37.33 | freemangordon | :P |
| 16:37.52 | qwazix_900 | I just thought that qml would be portable to harmattan and nemo too |
| 16:38.02 | dhbiker | freemangordon: where's your gravity gun :P |
| 16:38.04 | qwazix_900 | (And I like it more) |
| 16:38.06 | freemangordon | qwazix_900: yeah, you have your point |
| 16:38.27 | freemangordon | lets see, what theme QML apps use? |
| 16:38.36 | zeq | qwazix_900: qt is just a portable, considering the rest has to be compiled anyway |
| 16:38.54 | zeq | freemangordon: afaik they're native too |
| 16:39.02 | zeq | (might be wrong????) |
| 16:39.08 | freemangordon | zeq: Nokia in their ethernal wisdom made pure Qt apps not looking very well on Harm AFAIK |
| 16:39.08 | qwazix_900 | hildonizing qt-components is another good-looking project |
| 16:39.17 | zeq | oh |
| 16:39.31 | zeq | Nokia.... |
| 16:39.44 | qwazix_900 | freemangordon: yep, that's the problem. We'd have to skin the whole UI by hand |
| 16:39.49 | freemangordon | dhbiker: in my hand of course |
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| 16:40.47 | freemangordon | qwazix_900: and it does not make sense, as we will have enough problems even without that ;) |
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| 16:41.29 | freemangordon | hmm, on the other hand... right now fennec xul Qt uses pure QWidget |
| 16:41.56 | qwazix_900 | and that's why all the mess with rotation |
| 16:42.00 | freemangordon | yes |
| 16:42.33 | zeq | qwazix_900: we (freemangordon) finally got that working properly |
| 16:42.34 | freemangordon | zeq: Qt on harm is not aware of orientation changes. Smart , ain't? |
| 16:43.17 | zeq | freemangordon: really? explains why we hit problems |
| 16:43.24 | qwazix_900 | zeq: yeah, I noticed, congrats |
| 16:43.34 | freemangordon | so you either use MT or listen to the sensors |
| 16:43.43 | freemangordon | *MTI |
| 16:43.48 | zeq | how does that work with MT? |
| 16:44.09 | freemangordon | NFC, I never write an app for Harm |
| 16:44.51 | zeq | I remember seeing in the code som MT 180deg rotation thing |
| 16:44.52 | freemangordon | feels hes English skills reduced by half as a result of his birthday night :D |
| 16:45.01 | zeq | :D |
| 16:45.08 | zeq | it was good then? :) |
| 16:45.50 | zeq | fennec is finally built |
| 16:45.57 | freemangordon | zeq: but of course, a rock bar with friends, JD and tabble football, what could be better |
| 16:46.04 | freemangordon | *table |
| 16:46.12 | zeq | sounds good |
| 16:47.02 | freemangordon | hmm, i am going to try egl with the changes romaxa proposed |
| 16:47.05 | zeq | anyway, congrats on your birthday :) |
| 16:47.13 | freemangordon | thanks |
| 16:48.06 | zeq | freemangordon: what changes? |
| 16:48.32 | vi__ | freemangordon: shipit |
| 16:48.50 | freemangordon | vi__: what? |
| 16:48.56 | vi__ | fennec |
| 16:49.07 | ZogG_laptop | zeq: why wasted on harmattan, it can be made for both in Qt i think =) |
| 16:49.18 | freemangordon | ZogG_laptop: not really |
| 16:49.27 | freemangordon | for harm it must use MTI |
| 16:49.27 | qwazix_900 | on the ui front, qml is much faster to code, runs in simulator so no need for building each time you move something a pixel left/right, doesn't need scratchbox, and doesn't have all the c++ limitations. AFAIK we can load assets from maemo theme so it should look native. If it turns out to be too slow |
| 16:49.31 | ZogG_laptop | freemangordon: because of hildon and MTF thing? |
| 16:49.46 | freemangordon | yep |
| 16:49.49 | qwazix_900 | we'll know early enough to move to Qt-widget |
| 16:49.54 | kerio | oh hey, there's actually a gcc for the n900 now |
| 16:49.54 | kerio | neat |
| 16:50.06 | freemangordon | is afk |
| 16:50.17 | ZogG_laptop | freemangordon: but i think it can still be done with less sweat than writting everything separetly |
| 16:50.32 | kerio | wtf, why is gcc not installed as "gcc"? |
| 16:51.00 | vi__ | ZogG_laptop: the git is public, go right ahead. |
| 16:51.05 | qwazix_900 | by c++ limitations I mean having the widges parented correctly etc, not actual programming limitations |
| 16:51.14 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: after you sir |
| 16:51.22 | vi__ | ZogG_laptop: o0 |
| 16:51.23 | qwazix_900 | s/widges/widgets |
| 16:52.17 | vi__ | person1: I want you to do this thing my way! |
| 16:52.30 | vi__ | person2: You are free to do it your way if you wish. |
| 16:52.37 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: i was discussing my point of view, i have noot enuf skills for doing anything useful, and just asked few questions. And i don't believe that — you can always fork or do it yourslef is always useful, that's all |
| 16:52.38 | vi__ | person1: NO, U DO IT. |
| 16:52.44 | vi__ | person2: eh? |
| 16:53.03 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: i didn't enforce or asked to do it for me |
| 16:54.24 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: afaik for now harmattan ui was rewritten or partly rewritten as understand for harmattan and maemo part is missing. I made a proposal and just said my opinion. no more no less. i think you got me wrong, pal =) |
| 16:55.34 | qwazix_900 | Another crazy idea would be to go chromeless and write the ui in html/js |
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| 16:56.36 | qwazix_900 | don't know how better that would be than xul though. I suspect xul's heaviness is due to all the multiplatform code legacy it has acquired |
| 16:56.55 | qwazix_900 | If that's the case we would see major improvement |
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| 17:03.15 | zeq | it's not that XUL can't be, or isn't fast. It's just different. It's pretty much another whole toolkit. |
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| 17:05.01 | qwazix_900 | they say that camino is pretty faster than ff on mac (camino is native cacao+gecko) |
| 17:05.17 | qwazix_900 | microb faster than fennec |
| 17:05.59 | qwazix_900 | native android ui faster by scales than fennec-xul on android |
| 17:06.30 | qwazix_900 | seems to me that xul is the culprit here |
| 17:06.31 | zeq | qwazix_900: actually, once we get hw accel working properly in fennec, it should be faster than microb |
| 17:06.45 | zeq | at the moment, there isn't much it it |
| 17:06.57 | zeq | microb is slightly faster |
| 17:07.21 | zeq | although that depends heavily on what you're measuring |
| 17:07.30 | zeq | for JS fennec blows microb away |
| 17:07.38 | qwazix_900 | zeq: of course but yo have to take into consideration how much faster gecko is now vs 1.9x |
| 17:07.51 | qwazix_900 | *you |
| 17:07.52 | zeq | for just interactive response microb is slightly ahead |
| 17:08.38 | qwazix_900 | ofc microb is preloaded so something for the microb scale there |
| 17:09.03 | zeq | and uses less memory |
| 17:09.17 | zeq | or at least, less additional memory |
| 17:09.28 | zeq | since the backend is always loaded |
| 17:10.42 | qwazix_900 | how hard would it be to try building chromeless and seeing what's the relative speed? |
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| 17:13.53 | kerio | why is microb closed-source, btw? |
| 17:15.10 | qwazix_900 | because it seems nokia closed down every maemo version more and more |
| 17:15.32 | kerio | is it elop's fault? |
| 17:15.45 | qwazix_900 | it was fully open back in the N8x0 days |
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| 17:16.55 | GeneralAntilles | kerio, it's a differentiation thing. |
| 17:18.13 | qwazix_900 | It was to be opened, but never did. Could be his fault but I doubt he'll even know the word microb. |
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| 17:19.02 | zeq | he probably did set policy though |
| 17:19.25 | zeq | otherwise, where did meltemi go? |
| 17:19.38 | qwazix_900 | GeneralAntilles: It could be argued that hildon-desktop is a differentiation thing but that's open |
| 17:19.59 | qwazix_900 | zeq: south |
| 17:20.43 | qwazix_900 | meltemi is a north wind blowing late summer over the aegean sea |
| 17:20.54 | zeq | :) |
| 17:21.21 | zeq | perfectly named |
| 17:21.34 | qwazix_900 | indeed |
| 17:22.29 | qwazix_900 | infobot, what is meltemi? |
| 17:22.30 | infobot | qwazix_900: what are you talking about? |
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| 17:22.56 | qwazix_900 | infobot, meltemi is is a north wind blowing late summer over the aegean sea |
| 17:22.56 | infobot | qwazix_900: okay |
| 17:24.09 | qwazix_900 | infobot no, meltemi is a north wind blowing late summer over the aegean sea |
| 17:24.09 | infobot | qwazix_900: okay |
| 17:24.18 | qwazix_900 | infobot, what is meltemi? |
| 17:24.18 | infobot | [meltemi] a north wind blowing late summer over the aegean sea |
| 17:25.34 | GeneralAntilles | qwazix_900, the widgets aren't open. |
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| 17:26.24 | qwazix_900 | zeq: any idea if we could hack cursor mode into fennec? Saw any relevant code? |
| 17:27.12 | qwazix_900 | maybe fennec has code upstreamed from microb, |
| 17:28.14 | zeq | I didn't see anything, but you can select and copy text |
| 17:28.23 | zeq | by touch-hold |
| 17:29.21 | qwazix_900 | yes but you cant use websites that need hover (and not click eg pulldown menus) or drag (eg drawing) |
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| 17:29.42 | zeq | qwazix_900: I do like that feature in microb |
| 17:30.03 | zeq | although, you could always use a mouse ;) |
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| 17:30.52 | qwazix_900 | does a mouse behave like a mouse in fennec? or like a finger? never tried that |
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| 17:32.20 | zeq | I think my gf has a bt mouse, maybe I'll give it a go later. |
| 17:33.41 | qwazix_900 | I bet it works like a finger. Hover will work but not drag. |
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| 17:37.16 | freemangordon | qwazix_900: it works like finger for scrolling, otherwise it works like mouse. Not tested it much though |
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| 17:46.42 | freemangordon | ok, thumb2-compiled busybox-power is in cssu-thumb repo, not tested it, just compiled the code iDont sent me |
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| 17:51.55 | zeq | webm doesn't seem to be working |
| 17:53.32 | zeq | freemangordon: although it has revealed something interesting |
| 17:54.10 | zeq | I selected fullscreen, an when I managed to exit, fennec was running with Hildon status bar, and reduced chrome. |
| 17:54.13 | zeq | ?!? |
| 17:54.29 | zeq | both portrait and landscape |
| 17:54.33 | freemangordon | zeq: any idea which .desktop to edit so fennec to start from applications? |
| 17:54.33 | freemangordon | vi__: let me correct that .desktop entry and I will upload it in cssu-thumb for you ;) |
| 17:55.10 | zeq | I'll have a look |
| 17:55.19 | freemangordon | zeq: something bad is happening with my inet, not sure I have all of your mesages |
| 17:55.28 | freemangordon | [20:51] <freemangordon> zeq: any idea which .desktop to edit so fennec to start from applications? |
| 17:55.29 | freemangordon | [20:52] <freemangordon> vi__: let me correct that .desktop entry and I will upload it in cssu-thumb for you ;) |
| 17:55.40 | freemangordon | zeq: where did you select fulscreen? |
| 17:55.42 | zeq | I got those |
| 17:55.49 | freemangordon | aah, ok |
| 17:55.54 | zeq | I was testing webm |
| 17:56.02 | zeq | video never started, just the spinner |
| 17:56.14 | freemangordon | how to test that? |
| 17:56.18 | zeq | I held on the "video" and selected fullscreen |
| 17:56.49 | zeq | http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CF8QFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wellesley.edu%2F~kenny%2Fhtml5%2Fvp8.html&ei=E4L0T_WWC8yL4gTLyb3SBg&usg=AFQjCNFD7JSVPU5iH6-or6xX-q9Nmz5jsA&sig2=ZOqfQhBi76zO-MHvJ5EAeQ |
| 17:56.57 | zeq | yuck |
| 17:57.13 | zeq | I googled for a webm test :) |
| 17:57.27 | freemangordon | now it's better :D |
| 17:57.29 | zeq | tested in firefox on my laptop first |
| 17:57.42 | zeq | you did the same? |
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| 17:58.06 | zeq | weird huh? |
| 17:58.15 | zeq | how can we toggle that??? |
| 17:58.25 | freemangordon | no, i meant telling me "how" instead of pasting the link |
| 17:59.12 | zeq | http://www.webmfiles.org/demo-files/ |
| 17:59.14 | zeq | another |
| 17:59.30 | zeq | I did supposedly compile it with gstreamer enabled though |
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| 18:00.43 | zeq | My chrome is now like the Hamattan version without the close and dashboard buttons |
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| 18:02.36 | zeq | ./mobile/xul/installer/debian/fennec/usr/share/applications/hildon/fennec.desktop |
| 18:02.40 | freemangordon | guys, am I allowed to put LD_LIBRARY_PATH in exec line in .desktop file? |
| 18:03.11 | zeq | doesn't maemo use ld.so.conf? |
| 18:03.33 | freemangordon | it uses, but qtm12 is not there |
| 18:03.57 | zeq | shouldn't it be? or not? |
| 18:04.12 | zeq | what is the policy? |
| 18:04.17 | zeq | rpath? |
| 18:05.01 | freemangordon | zeq: NFC, don;t want to lose time on that now, just want it working |
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| 18:06.56 | kerio | can i disable the Ovi repository safely? |
| 18:09.11 | zeq | well LD_LIBRARY_PATH works |
| 18:09.30 | zeq | do we have a webm codec? |
| 18:10.00 | freemangordon | hmm, but I don't know which file to edit, seems .desktop file is generated in runtime |
| 18:10.07 | freemangordon | zeq: don't know |
| 18:10.58 | zeq | /mobile/xul/installer/debian/fennec.desktop.in |
| 18:11.01 | freemangordon | zeq: it could be that missing signal ;) |
| 18:11.39 | zeq | freemangordon: could be |
| 18:11.52 | zeq | the video player runs, but the video never starts |
| 18:12.03 | freemangordon | ooh, blind me, i looked in that directory 10 times, didn't see that file :D |
| 18:12.14 | zeq | :) |
| 18:14.24 | kerio | meh, HAM just found some updates that aren't updates |
| 18:14.33 | kerio | silly HAM |
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| 18:17.48 | zeq | freemangordon: I think it must be the missing signal |
| 18:18.02 | freemangordon | yep |
| 18:18.03 | zeq | what a pita |
| 18:19.04 | freemangordon | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/gstreamer-commits/2011-February/047159.html |
| 18:19.08 | zeq | freemangordon: what speed did you say you got for your desktop? |
| 18:19.27 | freemangordon | zeq: should not be, just find a way to workaround it with what we have |
| 18:19.36 | freemangordon | zeq: 820ms |
| 18:19.47 | zeq | we could patch the support into our gstreamer |
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| 18:19.58 | freemangordon | but today i tested google chrome, it did about 450 ms |
| 18:20.06 | freemangordon | zeq: not, don't :) |
| 18:20.15 | freemangordon | better patch fennec |
| 18:20.25 | zeq | I got 715.2ms with firefox on my laptop |
| 18:20.36 | freemangordon | that will become unmaintainable |
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| 18:20.39 | zeq | this is highly optimized Gentoo though :) |
| 18:20.54 | freemangordon | well, this is wondoze xp here |
| 18:21.13 | freemangordon | could be the reason |
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| 18:21.17 | zeq | core2duo 2.4GHz |
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| 18:21.44 | freemangordon | hmm, it could be optimized for intel, not AMD ;) |
| 18:22.03 | zeq | probably |
| 18:22.16 | zeq | you don't want to see my CFLAGS/LDFLAGS ;) |
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| 18:22.39 | freemangordon | as phenom II should go circles around core2 |
| 18:23.26 | zeq | gcc-4.7.1 with every go-faster switch turned on :) |
| 18:23.53 | freemangordon | zeq: I am compiling right now, could you grep for "source-setup"? |
| 18:24.03 | zeq | ok |
| 18:24.09 | freemangordon | to see which file to modify |
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| 18:24.48 | zeq | depend on >= 0.10.33 as that's when the playbin2 source-setup signal was |
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| 18:24.54 | zeq | yup |
| 18:25.08 | zeq | content/media/gstreamer/nsGStreamerReader.cpp: |
| 18:25.19 | freemangordon | thanks |
| 18:25.45 | zeq | you think this would be better than patching in support maemo side? |
| 18:26.00 | freemangordon | yep |
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| 18:26.12 | freemangordon | lemme try to workaround it |
| 18:26.17 | zeq | ok, just just checking :) |
| 18:26.52 | jean_brat | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85242 |
| 18:27.19 | jean_brat | no more maemo device from now on? |
| 18:27.37 | freemangordon | jean_brat: you are surprised? |
| 18:28.09 | jean_brat | yes kinda |
| 18:28.23 | qwazix_900 | fennec 9a1 did 3207 on the N900 oc'ed to 1Ghz |
| 18:28.24 | jean_brat | was hoping N950 official release |
| 18:28.53 | zeq | qwazix_900: sunspider? |
| 18:29.05 | freemangordon | qwazix_900: 16a1 does 5000 OC to 805 |
| 18:29.18 | zeq | I'm not going to test at 1Ghz |
| 18:29.22 | qwazix_900 | yep |
| 18:29.23 | freemangordon | :D |
| 18:29.39 | zeq | I like my N900 working ;) |
| 18:29.45 | qwazix_900 | stock got to 5140 |
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| 18:29.52 | zeq | ok |
| 18:30.06 | zeq | so we're slightly behind the old js jit |
| 18:30.44 | zeq | but this is with software only rendering atm |
| 18:30.58 | zeq | hw offload will give the CPU more time |
| 18:31.26 | freemangordon | zeq: there is no rendering in sunspider ;) |
| 18:31.39 | zeq | freemangordon: but if the CPU is busy rendering... |
| 18:32.03 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 18:32.12 | zeq | for some reason fennec never sleeps... |
| 18:32.25 | zeq | we'll have to look into that at some point |
| 18:32.42 | qwazix_900 | let's see how does the N9 |
| 18:32.59 | zeq | I'm going to see if I can get that fullscreen exit button working from the qt example code |
| 18:33.27 | zeq | (since I now know there is a non-fullscreen mode already there!) |
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| 18:47.55 | qwazix_900 | 5632 on the N9, 4328 on the N950 |
| 18:50.31 | freemangordon | hmm, that's funny |
| 18:50.41 | freemangordon | 1GHz,meh |
| 18:50.44 | zeq | ??? |
| 18:50.49 | zeq | doesn't it use hardfloat? |
| 18:50.58 | freemangordon | yes, it uses |
| 18:51.07 | zeq | I expected it to be faster |
| 18:51.18 | freemangordon | BTW i think I workarounded gstreamer |
| 18:51.24 | zeq | :D |
| 18:51.44 | zeq | shall I push the configure.in change? |
| 18:51.48 | freemangordon | lemme check it |
| 18:51.55 | freemangordon | zeq: yes |
| 18:53.09 | zeq | ok pushed |
| 18:53.34 | zeq | it just moves things around a little so it knows it's building for maemo5 before it tests for gstreamer |
| 18:53.35 | freemangordon | thanks |
| 18:54.41 | freemangordon | zeq: WTF? 1 files changed, 154 insertions(+), 150 deletions(-) |
| 18:54.55 | zeq | like I said, moves things around a little :) |
| 18:55.03 | freemangordon | a little moves around? |
| 18:55.07 | freemangordon | :D |
| 18:56.37 | qwazix_900 | samsung galaxy note 1539 !!! |
| 18:56.40 | zeq | is afk for a bit |
| 18:57.06 | zeq | qwazix_900: ff? |
| 18:57.11 | freemangordon | qwazix_900: what CPU is that? |
| 18:57.37 | qwazix_900 | 1.5 dual exynos |
| 18:57.56 | freemangordon | well, seems reasonable then |
| 18:57.56 | qwazix_900 | zeq: yep |
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| 19:02.06 | qwazix_900 | after a reboot, N9 dropped insignificantly to 4973 |
| 19:02.57 | freemangordon | ok, lets check google maps with egl enabled |
| 19:06.13 | kerio | is the ovi* stuff removable? |
| 19:06.44 | kerio | what about mediaplayer? |
| 19:06.47 | Lava_Croft | cant you just stop removing packages |
| 19:06.50 | kerio | no, i better keep that |
| 19:06.54 | kerio | Lava_Croft: but... ovi is evil! |
| 19:07.00 | kerio | Lava_Croft: and i'm keeping backups now |
| 19:07.04 | Lava_Croft | its not evil, its just badly made |
| 19:07.08 | kerio | EVIL |
| 19:07.09 | Lava_Croft | well, badly presented mostly |
| 19:07.27 | kerio | also, having a store on an apt repo is silly |
| 19:09.24 | kerio | Lava_Croft: ovi store, aka angry birds download server |
| 19:09.49 | kerio | and did anyone ever use any of the other stuff? |
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| 19:09.55 | Lava_Croft | whats wrong with angry birds, apart from being a bit of a silly game? |
| 19:10.13 | Lava_Croft | well, yeah, thats another point:) |
| 19:10.20 | kerio | angry birds is great |
| 19:10.33 | kerio | was angry birds space released for maemo? |
| 19:11.33 | freemangordon | well, with egl enabled fennec crashen in a 1-2 minutes |
| 19:12.31 | kerio | ooh, what's "usb console" in backupmenu? |
| 19:12.46 | kerio | ftdi serial console? |
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| 19:31.14 | kerio | when you guys say to file down the "teeth" of the microusb part of the cables |
| 19:31.20 | kerio | does it have to be completely flat at the end? |
| 19:31.59 | Sicelo | mine is |
| 19:32.05 | freemangordon | mine is not |
| 19:32.22 | kerio | i still have two kinda bumps |
| 19:32.24 | Sicelo | :) |
| 19:32.30 | kerio | but they're small |
| 19:32.38 | kerio | at least, much smaller than the standard teeth |
| 19:32.46 | Sicelo | btw, today marks 1 year of ownership of my N900 |
| 19:32.49 | Sicelo | \m/ |
| 19:34.32 | Sicelo | my usb is still good. battery is now just about 1200mAh, and N900 is still my primary internet & phone device ;) |
| 19:34.40 | Sicelo | cssu-stable + kp5- |
| 19:34.46 | Sicelo | kp50 |
| 19:35.12 | qwazix_900 | http://wiki.maemo.org/BrowserBenchmarks |
| 19:39.42 | NIN101 | hmm, this N900 I have here also turned 1 year recently (24 june). So far, USB seems to be ok (unlike the first one which died after 6 months). But I also filed those barbs on the cable in the hope it increases the lifetime a bit. No moving around when it is charging etc. |
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| 19:45.53 | zeq | N9 stock browser is fast |
| 19:46.19 | kerio | any tips for dealing with technology and sand? |
| 19:46.28 | qwazix_900 | it is but it has a nasty bug |
| 19:46.30 | kerio | and most importantly, the mix of both |
| 19:47.31 | freemangordon | qwazix_900: nice, you can add n900 fennec16a1 6438ms @ stock frequency |
| 19:47.32 | qwazix_900 | when you delete a word with backspace it comes back from the grave after you've deleted the space before it and that goes into endless loop |
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| 19:47.54 | qwazix_900 | freemangordon: doing it asap |
| 19:47.56 | Sicelo | i might add, this baby has been flashed only once (the day it was bought). in the meantime, i had a couple of kernel upgrades and downgrades, loss of many /dev/ nodes (while playing with the bootmenu+uboot combo) .. for the last issue, i'm eternally grateful for RescueOS |
| 19:48.25 | freemangordon | zeq: why it is so slow compared to v9? |
| 19:49.30 | zeq | AFAIK they changed the jit engine |
| 19:50.09 | zeq | s/jit/JIT/ |
| 19:50.22 | freemangordon | aah |
| 19:50.32 | freemangordon | with a slower one? nice move :D |
| 19:50.45 | zeq | depends on the CPU target |
| 19:50.58 | kerio | omfg so smooth |
| 19:51.07 | kerio | i filed down the barbs on the cable |
| 19:51.11 | zeq | I just retested my laptop set at highest (stock) frequency |
| 19:51.16 | zeq | 634.7ms +/- 39.5% |
| 19:51.37 | zeq | (rather than ondemand) |
| 19:51.43 | peetah | freemangordon: not a slower one, but some c++ version of some piece of code used for arm are not as fast as ssx version of the same code used for x86 |
| 19:51.54 | zeq | freemangordon: are you testing the N900 with ondemand governor? |
| 19:52.04 | freemangordon | peetah: but it is supposed to be NEON optimized |
| 19:52.07 | freemangordon | zeq: yes |
| 19:52.19 | freemangordon | maybe I should lock the frequency? |
| 19:52.26 | peetah | freemangordon: yes but for x86 it is directly written in assembly |
| 19:52.27 | Sicelo | kerio: i think you lose nothing by filing them smooth (unless you want to hoist your N900 ;) |
| 19:52.37 | peetah | it' not just c++ compiler optimization |
| 19:52.37 | freemangordon | peetah: the same for arm |
| 19:52.42 | zeq | I think the published benchmarks are with locked frequency |
| 19:52.52 | freemangordon | aah, lemme try then |
| 19:53.33 | kerio | Sicelo: it's not completely smooth though |
| 19:53.38 | kerio | there's still a tiny bump |
| 19:53.41 | kerio | is it ok? |
| 19:54.20 | freemangordon | it is, otherwise you risk cable falling when you move the device |
| 19:54.34 | freemangordon | I am using mine more than 2 years that way |
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| 19:55.40 | kerio | so... let's say i have a n8's OTG usb adapter |
| 19:55.51 | kerio | how would i make it fit on the n900's port? |
| 19:56.22 | qwazix_900 | freemangordon: done |
| 19:56.59 | qwazix_900 | kerio: order one that fits (galaxy S2) |
| 19:57.06 | kerio | qwazix_900: failing that? |
| 19:57.29 | freemangordon | qwazix_900: thanks, I will edit it if there is a difference with locked frequency |
| 19:57.36 | qwazix_900 | I wouldn't mess with DIY plugs in the fragile N900 port |
| 19:57.57 | qwazix_900 | given that they're almost free |
| 19:58.29 | kerio | qwazix_900: k |
| 19:58.45 | kerio | wait, how can the galaxy s2 have such an adapter? |
| 19:58.50 | kerio | isn't that against the specs? |
| 19:59.56 | freemangordon | qwazix_900: yes, there is, 6133 ms |
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| 20:00.23 | qwazix_900 | okay, shall I change it? |
| 20:00.32 | freemangordon | I will |
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| 20:00.50 | qwazix_900 | kerio: I think it is, they don't have an official otg logo |
| 20:01.38 | qwazix_900 | but the extra pin is there cause the normal cable with F-F adapter didn't work (not recognised) |
| 20:01.43 | freemangordon | ready |
| 20:02.10 | qwazix_900 | however you won't need it on the N900 |
| 20:02.28 | qwazix_900 | I mean the 5th cable in the port |
| 20:02.39 | qwazix_900 | lemme check if it actually works |
| 20:02.57 | qwazix_900 | I know it fits, but haven't run hen with it |
| 20:06.24 | zeq | freemangordon: it's slower? |
| 20:06.46 | freemangordon | zeq: no, faster, by about 300 ms |
| 20:07.01 | zeq | I thought you had 5xxx? |
| 20:07.21 | freemangordon | was 6438ms |
| 20:07.44 | freemangordon | seems gcc 4.7 will be of benefit here |
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| 20:08.36 | freemangordon | unfortunately I am on a vacation from 10th to 16th |
| 20:08.55 | freemangordon | hmm, well, not unfortunately :D |
| 20:16.51 | kwtm | I installed the latest stable CSSU firmware. No orientation lock? I had previously installed CSSU and it had orientation lock. Is that because that was not a stable version? I should not limit myself to the stable version if I am to get the orientation lock features? |
| 20:17.23 | Sicelo | it's a separate install |
| 20:18.07 | qwazix_900 | hen is in devel? |
| 20:21.08 | zeq | freemangordon: going somewhere nice? |
| 20:21.59 | zeq | should have the compiler ready for when you return :) |
| 20:22.10 | freemangordon | yeah, kavarna rock fest. though no good bands this year :(. But still, sea, sand, beer, stuff like that :P |
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| 20:22.16 | freemangordon | zeq: but of course |
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| 20:29.07 | zeq | freemangordon: did your gstreamer compatibilty changes work? |
| 20:30.10 | freemangordon | not from the first try, i used the wrong function, g_object_connect instead of g_signal_connect, now re-compiling with correct one |
| 20:30.36 | freemangordon | BTW how we exit fullscreen? |
| 20:31.26 | zeq | I used fn-backspace I think |
| 20:31.45 | freemangordon | though I am not sure whether to do g_object_unref in callback for source object, zeq, any thoughts? |
| 20:33.43 | zeq | I'll take another look at the patch introducing the feature |
| 20:34.36 | freemangordon | zeq: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758338 |
| 20:34.37 | povbot_ | 04Bug 758338: was not found. |
| 20:35.07 | qwazix_900 | kerio: I can confirm it works with a $2 galaxy S2 hostmode cable |
| 20:35.16 | kerio | neat |
| 20:35.32 | kerio | well, i suppose that it doesn't violate usb specs if it's actually proper host mode |
| 20:35.38 | freemangordon | zeq: http://pastebin.com/qZJgJUYY |
| 20:35.49 | kerio | it sounds weird though, if it's the same port then it should be OTG |
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| 20:38.56 | zeq | serialisation of requests? |
| 20:39.18 | zeq | re. 758338 |
| 20:40.04 | freemangordon | zeq: i have sound :P |
| 20:40.30 | freemangordon | but mmedia is broken in nighly anywa, flash behaves in the same way |
| 20:40.38 | qwazix_900 | i think it violates in in the sense that hosts should be usb-a not usb-b but I havent read the spec |
| 20:40.49 | freemangordon | only a stuttering sound, the same for webm |
| 20:41.02 | zeq | :D |
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| 20:41.29 | freemangordon | going to commit and push |
| 20:41.38 | zeq | could well be the same bug |
| 20:41.52 | freemangordon | could be |
| 20:42.03 | qwazix_900 | otherwise it behaves according to spec: if it detects the extra pin it enables host |
| 20:43.17 | zeq | looks ok to me. |
| 20:46.15 | freemangordon | zeq: pushed |
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| 20:59.21 | freemangordon | zeq; could you pull the latest changes from m-c? lets hope mmedia is fixed. |
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| 21:01.39 | kerio | ...i just did a pstree |
| 21:01.42 | kerio | what the FUCK |
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| 21:05.07 | ShadowJK | vi__, I haven't investigated what it does on N8x0 |
| 21:06.02 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: you can install orientation-lock on CSSU-S |
| 21:06.18 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, missed Sicelo telling that |
| 21:06.39 | zeq | freemangordon: ok |
| 21:08.16 | zeq | freemangordon: need to merge |
| 21:08.23 | zeq | be a few minutes |
| 21:08.29 | freemangordon | ok |
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| 21:19.28 | zeq | freemangordon: something weird happening with the merge... I'll get it fixed |
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| 21:22.57 | freemangordon | ok |
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| 21:23.45 | zeq | the last rebase didn't go cleanly did it? you fixed it up. |
| 21:24.00 | zeq | I obviously pushed without noticing |
| 21:24.08 | freemangordon | hmm, it went ok |
| 21:24.18 | freemangordon | zeq: check your branch |
| 21:25.21 | freemangordon | zeq: i did some pushes, it could be that, i.e. .patch I sent you is merged. but there should be no problem aiui |
| 21:26.17 | zeq | with the rebase some patches are "empty" with their changes already applied.... I don't know, it's weird as I said. |
| 21:26.46 | freemangordon | ok |
| 21:27.56 | freemangordon | you can try to reset to HEAD and pull after that. but I am not exactly git guru, so might be talking nonsense |
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| 21:30.19 | zeq | hang on, trouble with the washing machine :S |
| 21:32.53 | freemangordon | :) |
| 21:34.00 | kerio | do you guys use something to watch youtube videos? |
| 21:34.05 | zeq | fuse |
| 21:34.33 | freemangordon | kerio: yep, microb, qmltube |
| 21:34.49 | kerio | freemangordon: i meant apart from microb ¬.¬ |
| 21:35.07 | freemangordon | qmltube |
| 21:35.53 | zeq | actually I've been meaning to mention this, but a CSSU update some time back broke the built-in qmltube-widget player |
| 21:35.54 | freemangordon | zeq: automatic fuse? |
| 21:36.03 | zeq | in the plug, 13A! |
| 21:36.14 | zeq | a little worrying |
| 21:36.26 | freemangordon | yeah :( |
| 21:36.52 | zeq | seems to be working |
| 21:37.01 | zeq | washing machine, that is :P |
| 21:37.19 | freemangordon | zeq: well, it has something to do with the fact marxian was trying to do it compatible for bot At 4.7.0 (stock) and 4.7.4(cssu) |
| 21:37.39 | freemangordon | zeq: if it is working, don't touch it, you know :P |
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| 21:45.58 | MrPingu | Hi, (thought it would be time to pop up here again) |
| 21:46.58 | GhostRiderV2 | helo desu |
| 21:47.19 | GhostRiderV2 | wai wha |
| 21:52.13 | zeq | freemangordon: pushing it now, can you check it carefully when you pull please |
| 21:53.44 | zeq | I think it was your prepare for upstream patches conflicting |
| 21:54.00 | freemangordon | ok |
| 21:54.06 | zeq | not sure how that happened |
| 21:54.37 | zeq | I think I took the right versions of the code, but please do check. |
| 21:55.09 | freemangordon | ok |
| 21:56.17 | freemangordon | CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in widget/qt/nsWindow.cpp ;). going to check it |
| 21:56.38 | zeq | ok :) |
| 21:58.14 | zeq | just push whatever needs merging and I'll pull straight away so we're in sync |
| 22:00.43 | freemangordon | zeq: pushed |
| 22:02.03 | freemangordon | zeq: why do you think orientationChanged is defined only when QTM is defined? |
| 22:03.46 | freemangordon | zeq: it seems your commits removed mine :( |
| 22:05.23 | freemangordon | I'll recheck the whole code |
| 22:08.25 | zeq | freemangordon: somehow git confused them and tried to apply them at the same time?!? |
| 22:08.48 | freemangordon | yeah, furtunately it is not a big change |
| 22:09.17 | zeq | anyway, as for your question, it *was* because of the orientation API usage from libqtm. For us there's no good reason actually. |
| 22:10.09 | zeq | we should move our rotation code outside QTMOBILITY and just protect it with MAEMO==5 |
| 22:10.35 | zeq | we don't use any QTMOBILITY for rotation support |
| 22:11.37 | zeq | but it needs to be in every file, otherwise there's build breakage if it's undefined, which is what my commit fixed. |
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| 22:12.45 | zeq | the header declaration wasn't applied because QTMOBILTY wasn't set, while it was used in the cpp files |
| 22:13.22 | zeq | of course QTMOBILITY should have been set, but that was because I'd lost my PKG_CONFIG_PATH variable |
| 22:13.44 | zeq | makes sense? |
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| 22:16.14 | zeq | decaration should be QTMOBILITY || MAEMO==5 |
| 22:16.47 | zeq | that's what I should have done :) |
| 22:17.06 | zeq | freemangordon: ^ |
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| 22:34.20 | freemangordon | zeq: yeah |
| 22:34.40 | freemangordon | ok, going to check what's happened with the code |
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| 22:38.31 | freemangordon | zeq: it seems I should reapply some changes |
| 22:44.36 | zeq | freemangordon: go ahead |
| 22:44.51 | freemangordon | i'm going :) |
| 22:51.18 | freemangordon | zeq: I still fails to see what is the reason for #if (MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 5) && defined(MOZ_ENABLE_QTMOBILITY) |
| 22:51.18 | freemangordon | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.36 | freemangordon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:55.22 | freemangordon | zeq: pushed (without && defined(MOZ_ENABLE_QTMOBILITY) :) ) |
| 22:55.25 | zeq | Is that what I put i there? |
| 22:55.32 | freemangordon | yep |
| 22:55.33 | zeq | It should be || |
| 22:55.48 | freemangordon | but why? we don't want this for maemo6 |
| 22:55.50 | zeq | sorry, wrong file |
| 22:55.58 | zeq | :S |
| 22:56.06 | freemangordon | that is in nsWindow |
| 22:56.08 | zeq | yes that should just be MAEMO5 |
| 22:56.27 | freemangordon | well, you may want to pull, so we have the same code |
| 22:56.33 | zeq | and where the slot is defined should be || |
| 22:56.48 | zeq | pulling now |
| 22:56.55 | freemangordon | in mozqwidget.h? |
| 22:56.59 | freemangordon | lemme check |
| 22:57.00 | zeq | yes |
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| 22:58.17 | freemangordon | aah, i see, now it is #ifdef MOZ_ENABLE_QTMOBILITY only. But dows it make sense to build for maemo5 without QTM? |
| 22:58.21 | freemangordon | *does |
| 22:58.46 | freemangordon | zeq: ^^^ |
| 22:58.47 | zeq | it breaks the build if QTMOBILITY isn't enabled |
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| 22:59.22 | zeq | logically it should be || even if it doesn't really make sense to build for Maemo5 without mobility |
| 22:59.47 | freemangordon | agree, will change and push it |
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| 23:02.09 | zeq | there wasn't too much broken :) |
| 23:02.26 | freemangordon | yep |
| 23:03.25 | zeq | there certainly are frequent updates to m-c |
| 23:03.42 | zeq | constant flux |
| 23:03.45 | DocScrutinizer | higgs |
| 23:03.45 | freemangordon | yeah, lots of work is going on |
| 23:03.51 | DocScrutinizer | higgs |
| 23:03.58 | zeq | DocScrutinizer: surprising news |
| 23:04.03 | freemangordon | bozon? |
| 23:04.11 | DocScrutinizer | booz on |
| 23:04.22 | freemangordon | did they find it? |
| 23:04.31 | zeq | freemangordon: they believe so |
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| 23:04.44 | DocScrutinizer | fires a higgs bozon gun at ACTA |
| 23:04.44 | zeq | or certainly a particle with the expected properties |
| 23:04.49 | freemangordon | aah, i missed that |
| 23:04.58 | zeq | they don't yet don't if it's the only one... |
| 23:05.19 | zeq | such is particle physics |
| 23:05.24 | freemangordon | opens LHC wiki page |
| 23:11.57 | freemangordon | zeq: pushed |
| 23:12.20 | zeq | pulled |
| 23:12.51 | freemangordon | BTW Exec=LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/fennec-16.0a1:/opt/qtm12/lib /opt/fennec-16.0a1/fennec in .desktop file does not work :( |
| 23:13.09 | freemangordon | the same works from shell |
| 23:13.26 | zeq | ok, so we'll need to decide whether to: |
| 23:13.34 | zeq | 1) use a script launcher |
| 23:13.43 | zeq | 2) link with rpath |
| 23:13.57 | freemangordon | rpath is better I think |
| 23:14.02 | zeq | 3) put /opt/qtm12/lib into ld.so.conf |
| 23:14.24 | freemangordon | 1 or 2, but 2 seems better |
| 23:14.34 | freemangordon | if you know how to do it :) |
| 23:14.56 | zeq | I can look it up, can't remember off-hand :) |
| 23:14.57 | freemangordon | cflags in debian/rules? |
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| 23:15.04 | freemangordon | or ldflags |
| 23:15.14 | zeq | ldflags probably |
| 23:15.28 | zeq | almost certainly infact |
| 23:15.56 | freemangordon | hmm, jscript is faster than before, mmedia still broken, lets check flas |
| 23:16.00 | freemangordon | *flash |
| 23:16.55 | zeq | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rpath |
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| 23:18.59 | zeq | we just need to put -Wl,-rpath=/opt/libqtm12/lib into LDFLAGS I think |
| 23:19.21 | zeq | s/libqtm/qtm/ |
| 23:19.35 | zeq | best get it right! :P |
| 23:19.43 | freemangordon | dammit man, that is faster than microb :) |
| 23:19.59 | zeq | hw accel? |
| 23:20.03 | freemangordon | no |
| 23:20.14 | freemangordon | lemme try it |
| 23:20.15 | zeq | it's going to be crazy quick |
| 23:20.22 | zeq | when it's all working |
| 23:20.30 | freemangordon | yep |
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| 23:21.23 | zeq | actually we already have an roath-link in mozconfig |
| 23:21.32 | zeq | s/roath/rpath/ |
| 23:23.10 | zeq | freemangordon: should be able to just add qtm to the rpath-link in mozconfig |
| 23:23.33 | freemangordon | will you do that? |
| 23:23.44 | zeq | yes, and I'll test it first |
| 23:23.51 | freemangordon | ok |
| 23:24.13 | freemangordon | still faster without egl |
| 23:24.33 | zeq | building now |
| 23:24.46 | zeq | egl still broken then |
| 23:25.01 | zeq | probably falling back to sw |
| 23:25.14 | freemangordon | we need romaxa to fix it |
| 23:25.21 | zeq | yup |
| 23:25.52 | freemangordon | flash still broken |
| 23:25.54 | freemangordon | :( |
| 23:25.58 | zeq | shame :( |
| 23:26.06 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 23:27.26 | zeq | freemangordon: do we need the fennec dir in rpath too? |
| 23:27.37 | freemangordon | yes |
| 23:27.47 | zeq | I've been adding it to my LD_LIBRARY_PATH, not tried without it |
| 23:27.50 | zeq | ok |
| 23:28.00 | zeq | better stop the build and figure that out |
| 23:28.01 | freemangordon | needs libxul.so |
| 23:33.58 | zeq | freemangordon: does https work for you |
| 23:34.02 | zeq | ? |
| 23:34.25 | freemangordon | i think so, but not sure, lemme check |
| 23:35.28 | zeq | I think it might be linking to some of the microb libs |
| 23:35.47 | zeq | check ldd /opt/fennec*/libxul.so |
| 23:36.06 | freemangordon | what? |
| 23:36.43 | zeq | let me check with LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 23:36.57 | freemangordon | yes, that is what you need |
| 23:36.58 | freemangordon | ;) |
| 23:37.10 | zeq | https works though? |
| 23:37.56 | zeq | for me just typing something into the url bar then selecting google search fails when it tries to use https://www.google.com |
| 23:39.26 | freemangordon | yeah, seems https is broken |
| 23:40.33 | zeq | I've been just building with make -f client.mk && make deb. That seems to work fine, but since it automatically sets the version I can't use it with rpath since I won't know the install path in advance... |
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| 23:41.09 | freemangordon | @installdir@ ? |
| 23:41.22 | freemangordon | or something like that |
| 23:41.33 | freemangordon | that is what .desktop.in uses |
| 23:41.36 | zeq | maybe... I'l try it |
| 23:42.01 | freemangordon | have in mind that file starts with #filter substitution |
| 23:43.29 | freemangordon | hmm, but https to mozilla site works, wtf? |
| 23:43.46 | zeq | interesting |
| 23:44.50 | zeq | is it just https://www.google.com that's broken then? |
| 23:44.57 | freemangordon | no |
| 23:45.34 | zeq | different encryption type? |
| 23:46.03 | zeq | google uses RC4, 128bit appaerently |
| 23:46.24 | freemangordon | its is enabled in about:config |
| 23:46.59 | zeq | same for mozilla.org |
| 23:47.12 | zeq | not that then |
| 23:47.47 | freemangordon | well, that will be fixed upstream soon or later |
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| 23:48.13 | zeq | @installdir@ hasn't been expanded :( |
| 23:49.20 | freemangordon | portrait mode is broken, damn |
| 23:49.40 | zeq | :( |
| 23:51.10 | freemangordon | hmm, it is working now, wtf? |
| 23:51.39 | freemangordon | yep, it's ok |
| 23:51.51 | zeq | you sure? |
| 23:52.09 | freemangordon | yees |
| 23:52.24 | FIQ|n900 | hmm |
| 23:52.28 | freemangordon | seems i was runnung it with egl |
| 23:52.35 | FIQ|n900 | googled issued certificates to themself |
| 23:53.09 | freemangordon | the right bar was not appearing when scrolled to de left |
| 23:53.29 | freemangordon | FIQ|n900: that could be a reason |
| 23:54.30 | freemangordon | but it fails with sec_error_no_memory :D |
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| 23:57.08 | freemangordon | lemme check gitorious |
| 23:57.57 | FIQ|n900 | is it possible to upgrade the gecko version used by microB? |
| 23:58.20 | FIQ|n900 | "possible" as in "without the microB source and reverse-engineering doesn't count" |
| 23:58.47 | freemangordon | should be |
| 23:59.10 | FIQ|n900 | would it be trivial? |
| 23:59.14 | freemangordon | well, gitorious https works, could be something with google certificates |
| 23:59.25 | freemangordon | trivial? don't think so |
| 23:59.44 | zeq | FIQ|n900: you need to match an undocumented ABI |