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| 01:06.04 | internetishard | how do I play to apple airplay? |
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| 02:57.10 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, wouldn't usage of aluminum foil (cooking one) be better than conductive foam? |
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| 02:57.25 | Estel_ | I.e. it's elastic too, and when applied properly, should touch all things on solder side |
| 02:57.29 | Estel_ | or is it bad idea? |
| 02:58.52 | kwtm | What does it mean when my N900, with kernel-power installed, says |
| 02:59.04 | kwtm | ****ing Enter key too close to the quote key. |
| 02:59.22 | kwtm | What does it mean when my N900, with kernel-power installed, says "An unexpected reboot occurred. Your custom kernel settings were NOT reloaded." |
| 02:59.56 | kwtm | Does that mean I have to reboot again, or that I just have to type as root kernel-power --bla --blee --bloo and it will load the settings? |
| 03:00.16 | kwtm | And, *what* settings? I didn't make any settings except for the fact that the kernel is the power kernel. |
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| 03:07.10 | psycho_oreos | I don't know what the first part means but the second part could mean whatever overclock settings for instance maybe lost during that forced reboot |
| 03:08.51 | kwtm | psycho_oreos: Maybe it's just a generic message. I didn't make any overclock settings. I'll just ignore it. |
| 03:09.14 | psycho_oreos | kwtm, I also pretty much ignore it as well :) |
| 03:09.52 | internetishard | any ideas for how to play to airplay with an n900? |
| 03:10.50 | psycho_oreos | vlc? lol, I dunno the ramifications of Apple's airplay let alone most of their products. However iinm its vastly proprietary |
| 03:12.16 | internetishard | psycho_oreos: but it's bs, since there are so many ways to let your linux machine become an airplay node. That is, play through your computer. But you can't play from linux to airplay! |
| 03:12.52 | psycho_oreos | internetishard, that's Apple for you and pretty much your loss for siding with Apple :) |
| 03:13.15 | internetishard | psycho_oreos: dude, my room mate bought it and hooked my livingroom speakers up to it... |
| 03:13.30 | Estel_ | kwtm, no no |
| 03:13.33 | Estel_ | it's notthing bad |
| 03:13.36 | psycho_oreos | internetishard, I was referring to playing streams through airplay |
| 03:13.44 | Estel_ | it means, that your device rebooted in unexpected way ;) |
| 03:13.47 | Estel_ | exactly as it say |
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| 03:13.58 | Estel_ | i.e. last shutdown/reboot wasn't clean one |
| 03:14.02 | psycho_oreos | Estel_, i.e. generic error message? :) |
| 03:14.12 | internetishard | psycho_oreos: me too |
| 03:14.16 | Estel_ | and, to prevent bootloop (not that it would happen anyway), it loaded default settings |
| 03:14.20 | Estel_ | psycho_oreos, kinda |
| 03:14.37 | Estel_ | kwtm, now, if You haven't prepared any custom settings, it probably doesn't matter, but You can just - as root - exectue |
| 03:14.42 | Estel_ | lernel-config unlock |
| 03:14.51 | internetishard | psycho_oreos: It's an airplay router hooked up to the speakers... So how do you stream to it?! |
| 03:14.54 | Estel_ | and it automagically load settings that should be loaded on boot, instead of defaults |
| 03:15.17 | psycho_oreos | internetishard, speakers aren't anything more than airplay nodes iinm and those are common for airplay `playing' nodes |
| 03:15.42 | psycho_oreos | internetishard, get an apple computer? lol |
| 03:15.47 | Estel_ | internetishard, why won't You get any decent "normal" solution, much cheaper and more effective than apple's shit? |
| 03:15.58 | Estel_ | airplay is PITA due to being propertiary and closed |
| 03:16.03 | psycho_oreos | exactly |
| 03:16.12 | internetishard | Estel_: tell me about it... I didn't buy it, room mate did |
| 03:16.14 | Estel_ | you can make linux to act as node, but because they wanted it and mad eit possible |
| 03:16.15 | internetishard | he's an apple dev :( |
| 03:16.21 | Estel_ | other way around isn't possible, because they locked it :) |
| 03:16.27 | psycho_oreos | and Apple would sue anyone trying to misuse their technology |
| 03:16.29 | internetishard | ug :( |
| 03:16.50 | Estel_ | internetishard, so educate him to leave empire of evil :P Be a part of Stallman ;) |
| 03:16.52 | internetishard | And anyone who says "I hate apple" gets an earful |
| 03:16.55 | Estel_ | *in part* |
| 03:16.57 | internetishard | haha |
| 03:17.02 | internetishard | He makes a loooot making ipad apps |
| 03:17.09 | psycho_oreos | why don't you buy your own router, get something like UPnP and play stuff through that instead? |
| 03:17.22 | internetishard | psycho_oreos: it'll have an amp in it? |
| 03:17.24 | Estel_ | exactly. not to mention that upnp is shit too :P |
| 03:17.29 | internetishard | with mini-out? |
| 03:17.42 | psycho_oreos | internetishard, no, not exactly but why do you fancy something like that? |
| 03:17.44 | Estel_ | internetishard, what is Your use case, from the very beginning? |
| 03:18.10 | psycho_oreos | is it because you must choose Apple's cool nifty bits? or were you expecting to be slugged with anti-Apple's comments? |
| 03:18.11 | internetishard | 3 different sound systems in the house, lots of different sources of files. Streaming from any device that has audio and wifi/ethernet is fkn cool |
| 03:18.13 | internetishard | and useful |
| 03:18.27 | psycho_oreos | apart from the fact that if the base hardware was by Apple |
| 03:18.29 | internetishard | is what because? |
| 03:19.02 | kwtm | Hey, I don't suppose the N900 does 802.11n? It's 802.11g only, right? |
| 03:19.10 | psycho_oreos | kwtm, only b/g |
| 03:19.20 | kwtm | That's what I thought. |
| 03:19.48 | Estel_ | internetishard, define "3 different sounds systems" |
| 03:19.52 | Estel_ | i.e. it's ins and outs. |
| 03:20.15 | Estel_ | streaming from any device via lan or internet isn't any problem in linux |
| 03:20.22 | Estel_ | I don't see where apple's shit apply here |
| 03:20.42 | internetishard | if you don't want to wire stuff from room to room |
| 03:20.45 | psycho_oreos | internetishard, not like you can hook up amp or stereo to UPnP, but you can probably get some sort of intermediate hardware that acts like a client/server in between. Apple's solution is again as mentioned before by both myself and Estel_ as proprietary.. i.e. SOL if you want other hardwares to work with it apart from being the receiving end |
| 03:20.48 | Estel_ | use wifi? |
| 03:21.24 | internetishard | I just didn't want to buy any hardware/unplug my room mate's solution everytime |
| 03:21.34 | Estel_ | so You're, basically, fucked |
| 03:21.38 | psycho_oreos | well you don't have a choice |
| 03:21.40 | Estel_ | or screwed, whjatever |
| 03:21.59 | Estel_ | airplay is offensive one, either You take it out, or do some analog audio mod to make it behave |
| 03:22.10 | Estel_ | (i.e. adaptor that accept sounds from 2 sources) |
| 03:22.23 | Estel_ | write complains to /dev/null or to apple friend ;) |
| 03:22.35 | Estel_ | linux coexist with it without problem, but it doesn't coexist with linux. |
| 03:22.44 | Estel_ | or windows, or whatever ;) |
| 03:23.10 | internetishard | They always have a clever excuse. |
| 03:23.24 | psycho_oreos | still recalls how Apple treated linux users running their (Apple's) iTunes.. just a simple windows PC.. linux != windows but Apple just wouldn't want to see it differently |
| 03:23.29 | psycho_oreos | that's Apple for you |
| 03:23.36 | internetishard | "then other solutions would become compatible with airplay and apple would get complaints from people using broken ones and ones that don't work as well" |
| 03:23.39 | Estel_ | internetishard, well, whose problem is that? |
| 03:24.00 | internetishard | anyone who lives in SF |
| 03:24.01 | internetishard | haha |
| 03:24.08 | Estel_ | source forge?:P |
| 03:24.13 | Estel_ | science-fiction?:P |
| 03:24.31 | psycho_oreos | San Francisco |
| 03:24.39 | Estel_ | self-f.... erm, whatever |
| 03:24.54 | internetishard | haha, yeah |
| 03:25.11 | psycho_oreos | thinks its an absurd excuse for one that chooses to _only_ make linux work with Apple's products. Apple is the one not willing to play nice with linux in the first place |
| 03:25.23 | Estel_ | anyway, wrt54gl routers can be bought for 20 usd, and one of them is enough to make nmet access for 250 base stations or more |
| 03:25.37 | Estel_ | just install openwrt on it, required packages, and You're ready to go |
| 03:25.52 | Estel_ | You can even install some package to make DoS on airplay, if You feel it fancy ; |
| 03:25.54 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 03:25.54 | internetishard | they have mini-out/a preamp |
| 03:26.01 | Estel_ | well, You talked about net |
| 03:26.10 | Estel_ | if You want preamp, just make/buy one, ffs |
| 03:26.15 | internetishard | That's the whole point of this thing |
| 03:26.16 | psycho_oreos | ^ |
| 03:26.18 | Estel_ | apple's preamp is shitty in quality, anyway |
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| 03:26.29 | Estel_ | and mini-amps are cheap to made |
| 03:26.35 | Estel_ | web full of diy guides |
| 03:26.41 | Estel_ | really good ones, btw |
| 03:26.41 | internetishard | I don't know, through a good amp at 80% preamp volume, I don't think there is a noticeable difference |
| 03:26.48 | psycho_oreos | you can forget about airplay. Or otherwise you can always write your own software and hope that Apple won't sue the living daylight out of you |
| 03:27.05 | Estel_ | internetishard, in such case, You don't need amp at all |
| 03:27.33 | internetishard | you don't need an amp? lol |
| 03:27.41 | internetishard | preamp from phone (or wahtever) -> speaker cone |
| 03:29.15 | psycho_oreos | we're not sound technicians/engineers here, the bottom line is that there are alternatives which will all cost you money but you don't have a choice unless you're a developer with strong reverse engineering skills and is willing to hack the living hell out of airplay's proprietary format |
| 03:29.42 | internetishard | apple makes me cry |
| 03:29.44 | internetishard | :( |
| 03:29.54 | psycho_oreos | learn to live with it |
| 03:31.35 | robbiethe1st | hates apple |
| 03:32.27 | robbiethe1st | for a multitude of reasons, including killing flash. Because flash is decent, and very useful in some cases. And Apple's hardware/software lockdown is evil. |
| 03:32.38 | psycho_oreos | hates Sony more than he hates Apple but at least he'll try and restrain being controlled by the likes of dim-witted companies |
| 03:32.56 | psycho_oreos | actually, flash is still evil |
| 03:33.04 | robbiethe1st | Sony, yup, another company for the evil list. |
| 03:33.17 | psycho_oreos | gets a little annoyed when n9 doesn't even support flash |
| 03:33.19 | robbiethe1st | Well, with flash, at least the protocol is open(looking at Gnash etc) |
| 03:33.34 | internetishard | yeah, that's an instance that apple happens to do something good for everyone, just because it happens to be benefited by the fall of flash |
| 03:33.35 | psycho_oreos | yeah partially |
| 03:34.20 | psycho_oreos | internetishard, that's like saying drinking excessive amounts of water won't kill you just because water is not so harmful |
| 03:34.33 | internetishard | what?! |
| 03:34.36 | robbiethe1st | But eh, what's going to take the place of DRMed video and actual animation? |
| 03:34.46 | robbiethe1st | HTML5 doesn't really do either. |
| 03:35.02 | robbiethe1st | (actual animation = vector animation + synced music playback) |
| 03:35.32 | psycho_oreos | water is beneficial for everyone, especially potable water but you can still get poisoned by drinking too much water |
| 03:35.51 | internetishard | too much flash? |
| 03:36.07 | psycho_oreos | sure, Apple may have done lots of things that were nice to the majority of the market but their tactics are just downright evil |
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| 04:32.12 | kwtm | Hey, to add repositories without using the sluggish App Manager, don't I just edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/<add my own file> ? It doesn't seem to recognize those files. |
| 04:32.57 | psycho_oreos | what's wrong with FAM? |
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| 04:43.25 | Estel_ | psycho_oreos, kwtm means ham |
| 04:44.09 | Estel_ | kwtm, just instal fapman via ham, and thern, do everything via fapman |
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| 04:45.00 | psycho_oreos | Estel_, I know, was wondering why won't he try FAM :) |
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| 06:16.32 | kerio | i just noticed that there's no way to make an emergency call in the date picker screen you get when you boot after removing the battery |
| 06:16.36 | kerio | doesn't that violate some regulation? |
| 06:18.13 | chainsawbike | kerio, you only get that screen after removing the battery if your rtc clock battery is dead |
| 06:18.23 | kerio | chainsawbike: yeah, but rtc clock batteries *are* dead |
| 06:18.35 | kerio | in pretty much every n900 |
| 06:18.46 | chainsawbike | yea... both mine are dead |
| 06:21.10 | chainsawbike | but that screen is appearing because of a hardware fault, i doubt the regulation in question covers failing hardware |
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| 06:31.12 | psycho_oreos | poor workmanship? :) |
| 06:31.38 | psycho_oreos | though I guess nokia would shrug issues like those off as simply being general wear and tear |
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| 06:33.21 | kwtm | What's wrong with FAM? It's not command-line, that's what's wrong with it. I can't get a script to tap on an icon. |
| 06:33.48 | kwtm | I thought dbscripts was part of testing. Is it devel? |
| 06:34.33 | psycho_oreos | well yeah that's true with FAM, though to me FAM is really just a fancy apt-get frontend if anything |
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| 06:36.24 | kwtm | psycho_oreos: Poisoned by drinking too much water? You mean hyponatremia? That's just a failure to take in something other than water. I wouldn't say it's "poison" from drinking water. ... |
| 06:36.36 | kwtm | Oh shoot, dbus-scripts *is* devel. :( geez |
| 06:38.45 | psycho_oreos | kwtm, heh I'm no doctor but there is a wikipedia entry specific to water poisoning. Though they refer to it as water intoxication and yes its also known as hyponatremia. Though when one reads the wikipedia article, it seems as though water intoxication can also be related to `drowning' a person by taking more than required amounts of water |
| 06:42.14 | kwtm | If that's what Wikipedia says, I should correct it. It's the hyponatremia that does you in, but hyponatremia can be caused by any number of causes, including drinking too much (polydipsia) without replacing salt content. On the other hand, drowning, in the meaning used by most people, means inability to move air into the lungs due to fluid clogging them. |
| 06:42.32 | kwtm | Boy, is there anything worthwhile that's NOT in devel? even alarmed is devel. |
| 06:43.13 | kwtm | I'm actually looking for sms-notify, but that seems to have vanished... |
| 06:44.17 | psycho_oreos | bottom line is too much of anything is not good for you. One is/was supposed to take everything in moderation.. too much salt can also kill you just as a little amounts of salt intake with excessive amounts of water can kill |
| 06:44.47 | psycho_oreos | I think a fair few devels/maintainers have lost interesting in sticking with the maemo platform :) |
| 06:45.10 | psycho_oreos | well slowly anyway.. much like how it was the case with bora and chinook.. i.e. the dying phase |
| 06:45.47 | kwtm | But I thought at least dbus-scripts would have stabilized... at least to the point where I don't have to poll dbus just to see if sms's have arrived. Which is what I guess I'll have to do. Crummm.... |
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| 06:52.50 | kwtm | Ok, alarmed is in testing ... but that's a GUI. Does it install alarmd? Or what does it use, cron? Hmm... |
| 06:53.38 | psycho_oreos | not exactly cron iirc, its some other timer program |
| 06:56.34 | steve__ | freemangordon: my missing orientationChanged was due to a combination of factors: PKG_CONFIG_PATH had got lost from my mozconfig, and in nsWindow.cpp the code is protected by MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 5 whereas the declaration in mozqwidget.h is protected by MOZ_ENABLE_QTMOBILITY |
| 06:56.54 | zeq | freemangordon: that was me ;) |
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| 07:41.11 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: alarmd is a system lib |
| 07:41.24 | DocScrutinizer | cron is non-existent |
| 07:41.36 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: You mean it is already built in? I can write a bash script and call it? |
| 07:42.02 | DocScrutinizer | you hardly call a lib from a script |
| 07:42.11 | DocScrutinizer | bash* |
| 07:42.27 | DocScrutinizer | and yes, built in |
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| 07:42.49 | kwtm | What would be needed so that I can get my N900 to execute an arbitrary specified script at given points in time? |
| 07:42.56 | DocScrutinizer | to call it there's alarmed |
| 07:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | alarmed again |
| 07:44.18 | kwtm | Oh, alarmed can be used without the GUI, from within a script? That's great! |
| 07:44.37 | kwtm | I didn't see a lot of documentation for it but presumably it will be part of the package? |
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| 07:53.33 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 07:53.36 | DocScrutinizer | and yes |
| 07:54.24 | DocScrutinizer | the cmdline interface is comprehensive and powerful (I contributed to the specs ;-D ) |
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| 07:55.09 | DocScrutinizer | it even has a cron-alike syntax variant |
| 07:56.08 | DocScrutinizer | and understands full date(1) abstract complex times |
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| 07:56.20 | DocScrutinizer | (if the right lib is installed) |
| 07:56.36 | LaoLang_cool | How to let message_ui support my own avatar.png? |
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| 07:58.12 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: http://www.google.de/search?q=maemo+alarmed |
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| 08:02.31 | qwazix_ | LeoLang_cool, check out conversation ui modder, it has this and other functionality |
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| 08:05.00 | LaoLang_cool | qwazix_, I just want to add avatar support, I want to DIY ;p |
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| 08:08.52 | LaoLang_cool | I get a css from http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=500704&postcount=89, in the screenshot in that page, it supports avatar, but it doesn't work for me |
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| 08:48.31 | kwtm | Is there anything that can get me my current GPS location on my N900? I want to, for example, calculate my speed. Prefer output to stdout, but interface with Python would be ok, too. (I'll write a Python script to spit out the GPS location to stdout) |
| 08:51.00 | jacekowski | columbus |
| 08:51.03 | jacekowski | i think it's called |
| 08:51.17 | jacekowski | but well, read the manual |
| 08:51.19 | jacekowski | it's on wiki |
| 08:55.02 | kwtm | will check, jacekowski. Thx. |
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| 09:11.40 | kwtm | Wow, the quality of maemo apps has improved noticeably during the past year when I didn't install any new ones. Despite the N900 being a dead end. Nice. |
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| 09:19.15 | japh | it has? I haven't noticed |
| 09:19.34 | japh | uh. nvm |
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| 09:35.58 | Hurrian | kwtm, haven't they always been pretty high quality? |
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| 09:36.10 | kwtm | no, they haven't. |
| 09:36.12 | Hurrian | I don't ever remember installing crap quality apps |
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| 10:19.21 | xmlich02 | FYI http://www.openmobility.cz/openmobility/summer-contest-for-linux-smartphone/ |
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| 11:11.14 | psychologe | want compile nmap6.01 on N900,when execute "make" command ,output a lot error .(((undefined reference to `eth_send'¸IPv4Header.cc:(.text+0x13f8): undefined reference to `ip_checksum))), has some body interest and konw why? |
| 11:19.10 | merlin1991 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:32.33 | vi_ | merlin1991: ping |
| 11:32.43 | merlin1991 | vi_: pong |
| 11:32.50 | vi_ | good afternoon. |
| 11:33.08 | vi_ | How do I uninstall a package that mp-freemantle-community is dependant on? |
| 11:33.24 | merlin1991 | what do you want to get rid of? |
| 11:33.28 | vi_ | operator-name-widget for example will not allow me to uninstall. |
| 11:33.58 | merlin1991 | also you'll have to remove the mp-fremantle-community-pr in order to that, which in turn will disable ham from recognising cssu updates |
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| 11:35.11 | vi_ | merlin1991: exactly. |
| 11:36.51 | StyXman | maybe replacing it with an empty package? |
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| 11:38.15 | jpinx | how would I log into my N900 from my netbook running debian stable over the usb cable.? |
| 11:38.29 | vi_ | jpinx: usb networking |
| 11:38.34 | vi_ | ~usbnetworking |
| 11:38.34 | infobot | usbnetworking is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking |
| 11:38.35 | merlin1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.49 | vi_ | jpinx: ~usbnetworking |
| 11:38.52 | jpinx | mer\oth ;) |
| 11:38.57 | jpinx | ooops |
| 11:39.04 | merlin1991 | easiest way is to install mad-developer and click through the ui :) |
| 11:39.24 | vi_ | ~debian |
| 11:39.24 | infobot | http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 11:39.29 | jpinx | merlin1991: I did this years ago but forgot how |
| 11:39.29 | vi_ | ~debianway |
| 11:39.37 | vi_ | ~debiansmite |
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| 11:40.22 | vi_ | ~debian villev_ |
| 11:40.22 | infobot | ACTION tells villev_ to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! |
| 11:40.23 | jpinx | merlin1991: something about setting up ip's on each side and making a table? |
| 11:40.39 | vi_ | #debian jpinx |
| 11:40.45 | vi_ | ~debian jpinx |
| 11:40.45 | infobot | ACTION tells jpinx to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! |
| 11:40.56 | merlin1991 | jpinx: mad-developer starts a dhcp server for you |
| 11:41.08 | jpinx | vi_: looking up webpages on the n900 is not really an option ;) |
| 11:41.43 | vi_ | jpinx: really, The n900 has a pretty good browser which, some might say is ideal for looking at web pages. |
| 11:42.11 | jpinx | merlin1991: is there not something possible to creat the route manually? |
| 11:42.13 | vi_ | ~gentoosmite luke-jr |
| 11:42.13 | infobot | ACTION spends 6 days recompiling luke-jr, and when it's all done, luke-jr runs 7% slower than previously |
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| 11:43.17 | jpinx | vi_: and your ability to swamp irc totally underwhelms me with an 11 line display |
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| 11:44.49 | merlin1991 | jpinx: surely lemme find my script |
| 11:45.40 | jpinx | I can see the connection inlsusb on the laptop |
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| 11:46.33 | merlin1991 | jpinx: there are severl modules g_ether g_nokia g_Iforgotit'sname |
| 11:46.43 | merlin1991 | you need g_ether in order to have usbnetworking up |
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| 12:04.51 | jpinx | merlin1991: I had this working some years ago so the modules are still tthere I hope |
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| 12:43.42 | peetah | join #vim |
| 12:43.47 | pronto | no |
| 12:43.47 | peetah | sorry ! |
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| 12:43.55 | pronto | dont tell me what do to >:O |
| 12:43.59 | pronto | to do.. |
| 12:47.26 | vi_ | what was that about vim? |
| 12:47.28 | vi_ | ~vim |
| 12:47.28 | infobot | methinks vim is better than emacs |
| 12:47.31 | vi_ | ~emacs |
| 12:47.31 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, emacs is as useless as vim if you don't wanna learn it |
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| 12:50.17 | Lava_Croft | emacs and vim are for people who cannot appreciate nano |
| 12:50.47 | vi_ | nano sucks balls, |
| 12:50.48 | Lava_Croft | you need a screwdriver and they bring along the entire tool cabinet |
| 12:51.30 | vi_ | ~nano |
| 12:51.30 | infobot | i guess nano is at http://www.nano-editor.org/, or a DFSG-free alternative to pico, or 10^-9 |
| 12:52.30 | vi_ | Lava_Croft: when all you know is a screwdriver, everything will look like a screw. |
| 12:53.14 | jacekowski | ~pico |
| 12:53.14 | infobot | from memory, pico is a non-free text editor. Try nano as a GPL'ed alternative, or if you insist on pico, download the source for pine from non-free, build it, and install the resulting pico_something.deb |
| 12:54.02 | chem|st | vi_: I asked my father about spareparts for you, he can get most parts with some discount. let me know if you need anything |
| 12:56.14 | chem|st | vim is the one and only editor... as you do not start emacs unless you consider booting something to start it.. |
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| 12:59.19 | vi_ | chem|st: I like the cut of your gib! |
| 12:59.38 | vi_ | chem|st: Remarkably The chap in Germany refunded my money. |
| 12:59.51 | vi_ | I am very grateful for the translation you did of my letter. |
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| 13:00.12 | vi_ | I then got raped by paypal taking the money. |
| 13:00.40 | vi_ | how 279 euros can become 200 GBP I shall never know. |
| 13:01.22 | vi_ | I have learned the hard way, NEVER buy second hand suspension parts. |
| 13:02.18 | SpeedEvil | It varies. |
| 13:02.26 | SpeedEvil | If you can personally inspect stuff, and understand it... |
| 13:03.02 | vi_ | SpeedEvil: even if I had inspected this shock I would have not known. |
| 13:03.09 | vi_ | It had no damping! |
| 13:03.21 | SpeedEvil | Bouncy! |
| 13:03.23 | vi_ | Without fitting it or using some kind of test rig, there is no way to know. |
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| 13:05.11 | vi_ | I am strong but not 9kg/mm strong. |
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| 13:06.21 | chem|st | vi_: no? |
| 13:06.24 | chem|st | ;) |
| 13:06.43 | chem|st | vi_: if you want new ones gimme a shout |
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| 13:11.05 | vi_ | chem|st: cheers amte! |
| 13:11.09 | vi_ | ^/mate |
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| 13:15.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | :) |
| 13:15.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | moo |
| 13:16.57 | chem|st | o/ |
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| 13:30.17 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer: ! |
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| 13:47.14 | kerio | hmm... how do i see which PR i'm on? |
| 13:47.38 | chem|st | kerio: settings about |
| 13:47.47 | kerio | which one is pr 1.3? |
| 13:48.18 | chem|st | kerio: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 13:49.26 | chem|st | 36-2 |
| 13:49.38 | kerio | k, thanks |
| 13:49.47 | kerio | what's the recommendation for CSSU? |
| 13:50.00 | chem|st | latest |
| 13:50.49 | chem|st | kerio: RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 200174197 PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2 Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 |
| 13:51.48 | chem|st | cssu is then something like 21.2011.38-2 or so... |
| 13:52.00 | chem|st | if testing, stable I do not know |
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| 13:52.34 | kerio | is testing stable enough? |
| 13:52.59 | chem|st | for now... but I recommend to use stable |
| 13:53.09 | kerio | but i like testing stuff! |
| 13:53.24 | vi_ | kerio: what is your favourite linux editor? |
| 13:53.31 | chem|st | you might like to reflash if you like cssu-testing |
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| 13:57.22 | kerio | can i uninstall stuff like "amazon installer"? |
| 13:58.02 | chem|st | yes all those *installer things |
| 13:58.09 | kerio | tutorial-home-applet? |
| 13:58.14 | kerio | or is that updated in cssu? :P |
| 13:58.14 | chem|st | yes that too |
| 13:58.49 | kerio | just got this new n900 (it's used, but it really looks and feels like it's new) |
| 13:59.09 | kerio | i'm used to an old pr1.2 with some problems (including no usb) |
| 14:00.04 | chem|st | my 2year old one got its first scratch a week ago (stylus), and yesterday the backplate nose got lost^^ so only replaceable parts ;) |
| 14:00.46 | chem|st | ah and a new simcard just this weekend |
| 14:02.03 | chem|st | the guy in the shop told me "new state of the art" "what is new? voltage lower?" "no size increased" my old one was just the same but normal sim this one is micro, both 72K 1.8V |
| 14:03.05 | kerio | wait, why do we need a "n900-fmrx-enabler" package? |
| 14:03.11 | chem|st | you get 64GB size of a microsim now what is the deal with 72K? |
| 14:03.27 | kerio | chem|st: proprietary technology |
| 14:03.27 | chem|st | kerio: the UK version needed it I think |
| 14:03.28 | jacekowski | kerio: some devices have fmrx disabled |
| 14:03.32 | kerio | with hw crypto up the arse |
| 14:03.58 | chem|st | and asia/middle east devices too |
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| 14:04.18 | kerio | the fm*rx* is disabled? why? |
| 14:04.20 | kerio | it makes no sense |
| 14:04.28 | chem|st | kerio: law... |
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| 14:05.28 | kerio | will cssu uninstall that mynokia crap? |
| 14:05.51 | chem|st | can't be but it touches the cherry file I htink |
| 14:05.53 | kerio | and is there a way to not get an international SMS billed to my sim? |
| 14:05.58 | kerio | oh, ok then |
| 14:06.06 | chem|st | touch the cherry file?! |
| 14:06.14 | kerio | anything notable to uninstall before installing cssu? |
| 14:06.16 | kerio | this is a clean n900 |
| 14:06.19 | chem|st | nop |
| 14:06.20 | chem|st | e |
| 14:07.59 | kerio | what was the trick to unlock all packages in HAM? |
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| 14:08.24 | kerio | it's as if i forgot everything about the n900, considering that i couldn't actually touch anything without risking a brick |
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| 14:10.15 | psychologe | i seccussed compiled nmap 6.01 on N900,but when scan network ,it output:nmap route_dst_netlink: can't find interface,,,has somebody kown why? |
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| 14:10.48 | chem|st | kerio: just stay with stable and install testing or devel only if the one above is not available (extras -> testing -> devel) so you have teh most stable in terms of software but everything you need |
| 14:10.52 | zeq1 | freemangordon: I was just reading about the --enable-egl-xrender-composite option. (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=649525) It might have been interesting to use but it only seems to be hooked up for desktop Firefox which is why the build fails. |
| 14:10.53 | povbot_ | 04Bug 649525: was not found. |
| 14:11.58 | kerio | chem|st: i'm probably going to ignore you and go with cssu testing |
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| 14:12.45 | kerio | >:D |
| 14:12.59 | mase76 | hi! who is actually developing openmediaplayer? |
| 14:13.03 | chem|st | kerio: for now it is 'ok' but you should consider to hold back a day or two with any updates coming along |
| 14:13.11 | kerio | k, makes sense |
| 14:13.14 | neal | I'm looking for some information about the defective backup battery in the N900, but my google-fu is failing me. Does anyone have any pointers? |
| 14:13.19 | kerio | will showstopping bugs be announced here? |
| 14:13.35 | kerio | i mean, i always hang around #maemo, pretty much |
| 14:13.39 | chem|st | kerio: #maemo-ssu |
| 14:15.36 | chem|st | kerio: testing is testing so no need for announcements... if something is released to stable what should not happen to be there will be many people shouting in here I guess ;) |
| 14:15.52 | kerio | hehe |
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| 14:22.13 | vi_ | kerio: apt-get remove cherry |
| 14:22.25 | kerio | oh so it *can* be done like that |
| 14:22.30 | kerio | oh well |
| 14:22.33 | vi_ | uninstalls nokia spyware |
| 14:22.54 | vi_ | kerio: You can then go about removing the event.d file as well. |
| 14:23.17 | vi_ | apt-get remove ANYTHING with the word ovi in it. |
| 14:23.28 | kerio | apt-get remove *ovi* then? |
| 14:24.28 | vi_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82641 |
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| 14:24.32 | vi_ | ^relevent |
| 14:26.09 | chem|st | kerio: careful... |
| 14:26.20 | kerio | why do people remove blocks? :( |
| 14:26.24 | kerio | it's a cool game! |
| 14:26.51 | vi_ | kerio: because it is a pile of fucking shit. |
| 14:26.55 | chem|st | kerio: stop trolling |
| 14:26.58 | SpeedEvil | Blocks is buggy! |
| 14:27.20 | vi_ | even fscktris plays better. |
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| 14:27.35 | SpeedEvil | I wrecked a screen protector due to blocks. |
| 14:27.57 | kerio | "Program causes screen protector tearing" |
| 14:28.01 | kerio | WONTFIX |
| 14:28.14 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9826 |
| 14:28.15 | povbot_ | 04Bug 9826: Blocks collision detection bug |
| 14:28.22 | kerio | yeah, you told me of that one :) |
| 14:37.41 | Lava_Croft | andre's finest hour there |
| 14:37.42 | Lava_Croft | lol |
| 14:43.23 | ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: welcome back pal |
| 14:43.38 | ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: so about the camera on n9, did you managed? |
| 14:43.52 | Lava_Croft | No, it cant be fixed by me |
| 14:43.59 | Lava_Croft | needs software update |
| 14:45.20 | ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: did you try command i gave you? |
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| 14:49.00 | Lava_Croft | those dont work |
| 14:49.15 | Lava_Croft | none does, its some issue introduced with whatever software update |
| 14:49.38 | ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: try to reinstall those apps, parts |
| 14:50.00 | Lava_Croft | ZogG_laptop: i have already flashed the entire device |
| 14:50.10 | Lava_Croft | Ill wait for pr1.3, since it doesnt matter, it dont work:) |
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| 14:55.11 | ZogG_laptop | Lava_Croft: try the commad reboot -u it was i think |
| 14:56.18 | Lava_Croft | really, trust me |
| 14:56.32 | Lava_Croft | if you dont really know what you are talking about, helping someone troubleshoot is just annoying |
| 14:56.42 | Lava_Croft | the attempt to help is appreciated nontheless |
| 14:56.54 | Lava_Croft | reboot -u is a command used to fix the issue of having the wrong kernel |
| 14:57.00 | Lava_Croft | after updating to PR1.1 |
| 15:03.11 | chadi | so why is my n900 slow and unresponsive? |
| 15:03.33 | StyXman | chadi: open a terminal, launch top |
| 15:04.11 | chadi | StyXman: nothing unusual, Xorg taking the most of the CPU |
| 15:04.34 | Lava_Croft | when was the last reboot |
| 15:04.39 | chadi | also, hildon-status-menu |
| 15:04.46 | chadi | a week ago |
| 15:04.55 | Lava_Croft | that might be the cause |
| 15:05.13 | Lava_Croft | i made a habit out of rebooting it daily |
| 15:05.25 | chadi | wow, that's crazy |
| 15:05.58 | Lava_Croft | after a while, N900 becomes slow due to swap fragmentation orso |
| 15:06.07 | Lava_Croft | i dont know the exact stuff, but something related to that |
| 15:06.54 | chadi | I tried reducing swappiness to 30, but not much difference |
| 15:07.11 | Lava_Croft | those tweaks never got my any noticable improvements |
| 15:07.19 | Lava_Croft | my/me |
| 15:07.33 | Lava_Croft | single best improvement i found is rebooting daily |
| 15:07.40 | Lava_Croft | its not my preference either, but meh, it works |
| 15:07.41 | chadi | lol |
| 15:07.41 | vi_ | swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3; swapon /dev/mmcblk0p3 |
| 15:07.49 | Lava_Croft | or that |
| 15:07.55 | vi_ | Lava_Croft: that is a rubbish solution. |
| 15:08.04 | Lava_Croft | vi_: it works for me |
| 15:08.26 | Lava_Croft | therefore its a great solution |
| 15:08.34 | vi_ | The imperial measurements system works for liberia and USA. Does not stop it from being shit. |
| 15:08.52 | Lava_Croft | and? |
| 15:08.55 | chadi | vi_: swapoff command not found |
| 15:09.00 | vi_ | However rebooting everyday is your right |
| 15:09.09 | chadi | oh, root |
| 15:09.12 | vi_ | chadi: You need to do it as root. |
| 15:09.21 | vi_ | also, close all appz first. |
| 15:09.24 | Lava_Croft | even better |
| 15:09.28 | Lava_Croft | its my right to find it an awesome solution |
| 15:09.33 | Lava_Croft | even tho i dont dig the imperial system |
| 15:10.42 | vi_ | Lava_Croft: good, the day I discovered there is 3 bushels to a hogshead I decided it was fail. |
| 15:11.04 | Lava_Croft | congratulations! |
| 15:11.31 | vi_ | The best solution I have come up with is to check at 3am if the keyboard is closed and the backlight is off. If so, swapon SD, swapoff emmc, swapon emmc. swapoff sd. |
| 15:12.01 | vi_ | i.e. 3am swap defrag. |
| 15:12.22 | chadi | vi_: got a cannot allocate memory error |
| 15:12.47 | vi_ | result of: |
| 15:12.51 | vi_ | cat /proc/swaps |
| 15:12.56 | vi_ | please |
| 15:13.02 | Lava_Croft | rebooting would have been done by now |
| 15:13.04 | Lava_Croft | 5 times over |
| 15:13.09 | Lava_Croft | chuckles |
| 15:13.10 | ZogG_laptop | lol |
| 15:13.18 | chadi | heh |
| 15:13.19 | vi_ | The kid doesnt know what he is doing. |
| 15:13.27 | vi_ | Give him a break. |
| 15:13.30 | Lava_Croft | him? |
| 15:13.32 | chadi | vi_: one moment, I re-issued the swapoff again |
| 15:13.34 | Lava_Croft | this was aimed at you |
| 15:13.36 | Lava_Croft | not him |
| 15:13.57 | vi_ | Lava_Croft: believe me I can swap defrag faster than you can powerdown. |
| 15:14.13 | vi_ | chadi: cat /proc/swaps |
| 15:14.57 | vi_ | in fact I have a script, that figures out where your swap partitions are then does it for you. |
| 15:15.49 | kerio | gaaah, HAM is so bad |
| 15:15.49 | Lava_Croft | i think that makes you a very attractive young man |
| 15:15.55 | kerio | why can't i pick more than one application to install? |
| 15:16.07 | chadi | vi_: Filename Type Size Used Priority |
| 15:16.11 | Lava_Croft | kerio: because it wants to make you suffer |
| 15:16.12 | chadi | oops |
| 15:16.15 | vi_ | kerio: because it sucks asses. Install 'fapman' |
| 15:16.18 | chadi | Filename Type Size Used Priority |
| 15:16.35 | chadi | /dev/mmcblk0p3 partition 786424 142688 -1 |
| 15:16.41 | vi_ | Lava_Croft: my wife certainly thinks I am cool. |
| 15:17.19 | kerio | vi_: why do you need an sd? |
| 15:17.24 | vi_ | chadi: I literally do not understand how you failed to paste a single line into xterm. |
| 15:17.25 | kerio | can't you just use a swapfile in mydocs? |
| 15:17.39 | Lava_Croft | i meant attractive, not cool! |
| 15:17.42 | vi_ | kerio: swapfile requires mounting it on a loopback device. |
| 15:18.02 | vi_ | which requires unmounting etc just to export mydocs in mass storage mode. |
| 15:18.20 | kerio | vi_: no, i mean |
| 15:18.33 | chadi | vi_: I did issue cat /proc/swaps --- please see the output above, I don't see what's wrong? |
| 15:18.49 | kerio | swapon swapfile, swapoff emmcswap, swapon emmcswap, swapoff swapfile |
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| 15:21.55 | kerio | can i uninstall the qtm stuff? |
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| 15:25.37 | jpinx | I have been configuring the usb network and I can ping from the N900 to my laptop but not other way around. Any pointers? |
| 15:26.22 | ZogG_laptop | firewall? =) |
| 15:27.59 | chem|st | kerio: stop uninstalling crap... |
| 15:28.20 | chem|st | what are you trying to achive? |
| 15:28.24 | chadi | vi_: you left without telling me what is wrong with what I did :-P |
| 15:28.33 | kerio | i'm not uninstalling anything! |
| 15:28.42 | chadi | right now, I'm creating another swap partition on the microsd |
| 15:29.11 | chem|st | 17:21 < kerio> can i uninstall the qtm stuff? |
| 15:29.19 | kerio | chem|st: i *asked* |
| 15:29.33 | chem|st | yeah and I asked "what for?" |
| 15:29.42 | kerio | chem|st: so it looks neater! |
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| 15:30.04 | jpinx | ZogG_laptop: no firewall.. it's a simple usb cable network |
| 15:30.39 | chem|st | kerio: hammer a nail through the display... that looks neat |
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| 15:35.21 | vi__ | kerio: I know what you meant by loopback in mydocs. |
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| 15:35.54 | twinklstar | hi |
| 15:36.05 | vi__ | As fat32 does not support sparse files you would either need it sitting there the whole time or recreate it everytime. |
| 15:36.16 | vi__ | f'it I thought, just use an SD partition. |
| 15:36.18 | kerio | oic |
| 15:36.29 | kerio | well, the SD partition is sitting there the whole time :P |
| 15:36.40 | twinklstar | any newbees thre? |
| 15:36.53 | Lava_Croft | what is the problem? hi |
| 15:37.01 | vi__ | kerio: I do not mind trash on my SD card. |
| 15:37.13 | vi__ | gotta save them eMMC R/W cycles a know! |
| 15:37.24 | twinklstar | to me lava?? |
| 15:37.31 | Lava_Croft | twinklstar: yeah! :) |
| 15:37.55 | twinklstar | is android fully support n900? |
| 15:38.03 | vi__ | twinklstar: No. |
| 15:38.03 | kerio | hmm, does the adblock plus package in the repos actually work? |
| 15:38.18 | vi__ | kerio: Yes, however it is *heavy* |
| 15:38.20 | Lava_Croft | twinklstar: http://forum.nitdroid.com/index.php?board=6.0 |
| 15:38.27 | Lava_Croft | The NITDroid N900 forum |
| 15:38.32 | kerio | vi__: heavier than the ads? |
| 15:38.39 | twinklstar | tx lava |
| 15:38.43 | Lava_Croft | I guess theres Android info on Maemo wiki too... |
| 15:38.47 | twinklstar | r u using n900? |
| 15:38.47 | vi__ | kerio: well, that depends on what sites you visit! |
| 15:38.52 | Lava_Croft | twinklstar: yes, but no android |
| 15:39.01 | twinklstar | maemo? |
| 15:39.04 | Lava_Croft | yup |
| 15:39.11 | kerio | oh wow, aircrack-ng is a package in the repos? does injection work? |
| 15:39.16 | Lava_Croft | i dont like android, but i know it works kind of ok on N900 |
| 15:39.18 | twinklstar | its heard nokia nt support it |
| 15:39.22 | vi__ | kerio: ...yes. |
| 15:39.35 | vi__ | kerio: Depends which kernel you are running... |
| 15:40.29 | vi__ | kerio: for injection you need powerkernel. |
| 15:40.39 | vi__ | the latest incarnation being kp50. |
| 15:40.40 | twinklstar | lava |
| 15:40.50 | vi__ | Then you need to get the wifi modules. |
| 15:41.03 | vi__ | Load em' up and hax away. |
| 15:41.54 | qwazix | twinklstar, yes but community does, and there are many new features on cssu |
| 15:41.58 | qwazix | ~cssu |
| 15:41.58 | infobot | methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 15:42.04 | chadi | those swapoff commands take a lot of time |
| 15:42.05 | vi__ | I mean legitimatley security audit your own wifi network only with the express permission of your admin. |
| 15:42.53 | kerio | hmm, how's camkeyd actually called? |
| 15:43.02 | vi__ | camkeyd is obsolete. |
| 15:43.07 | vi__ | Use shortcutd now. |
| 15:43.20 | kerio | k |
| 15:44.18 | psychologe | vi_, i compile nmap 6.01 on N900,but when scan network,output:route_dst_netlink: can't find interface "gprs0",do you know how to fix it? |
| 15:44.36 | vi__ | psychologe: I have no idea. |
| 15:44.43 | kerio | vi__: where would i get the wifi modules? |
| 15:44.43 | vi__ | Nmap runs funny on n900. |
| 15:45.01 | vi__ | try running it with sudo instead from a root shell. |
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| 15:45.54 | kerio | dafuq? why does cssu features have to be in the powerbutton menu? |
| 15:46.09 | psychologe | the same,nmap --iflist ,output:INTERFACE (NOT FOUND) |
| 15:46.52 | vi__ | kerio: http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-83718.html |
| 15:47.07 | vi__ | kerio: because it is an obnoxious pile of poo. |
| 15:47.11 | kerio | oic |
| 15:47.24 | vi__ | kerio: there is an option in cssu-features to remove powerkey entry. |
| 15:47.55 | vi__ | psychologe: I do not know then :/ |
| 15:48.11 | psychologe | oh |
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| 15:48.53 | kerio | what's "the" way to get root access? |
| 15:48.57 | kerio | rootsh? sudser? |
| 15:49.35 | vi__ | install rootsh and sudser |
| 15:49.40 | kerio | both? why? |
| 15:49.40 | kerio | :o |
| 15:49.44 | vi__ | then type root from xterm |
| 15:49.49 | vi__ | kerio: I dunno. |
| 15:52.22 | chadi | vi__: any harm if I format the linux-swap partition on mmc with 2gb? |
| 15:53.16 | vi__ | chadi: ??? |
| 15:53.28 | chadi | vi__: what's wrong? |
| 15:53.35 | vi__ | I assume you mean you want to increase the size of the emmc swap partition? |
| 15:54.15 | chadi | vi__: that's the sd swap space I created to use temporarily |
| 15:54.29 | chadi | on the wiki page, they said 384MB is enough |
| 15:54.55 | chadi | on sd I meant, sorry |
| 15:54.58 | vi__ | sd==your memory card |
| 15:55.13 | vi__ | mmc==internal flash memory |
| 15:55.22 | chadi | yeah, I meant sd |
| 15:55.34 | vi__ | chadi: There is no harm, but there is no benefit either... |
| 15:56.20 | chadi | I have plenty of free space that I do not use, so it's ok then. |
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| 15:58.13 | chadi | vi__: one more thing, would you be interested in sharing that script that automates the swapoff/swapon tasks? |
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| 15:58.53 | vi__ | it is an alarmd script. |
| 15:58.57 | vi__ | i.e. cron |
| 15:59.04 | kerio | wait, why is there no /bin/vi? |
| 15:59.06 | kerio | :O |
| 15:59.08 | kerio | what the hell |
| 15:59.10 | kerio | i thought this was unix |
| 16:00.02 | vi__ | kerio: heh |
| 16:00.14 | vi__ | most of maemo is provided by busybox |
| 16:00.24 | vi__ | for some unknown reason. |
| 16:00.38 | vi__ | so vi is infact a symlink to busybox vi |
| 16:00.42 | vi__ | ~busybox |
| 16:00.42 | infobot | [busybox] the swiss army knife of embedded linux. It combines tiny versions of many common UNIX utilities into a single small executable. It provides replacements for most of the utilities you usually find in GNU fileutils, shellutils, etc. See http://www.busybox.net/. |
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| 16:01.06 | vi__ | fullfat vim is in the repositories. |
| 16:01.14 | vi__ | It works nicely. |
| 16:01.15 | kerio | vi__: no, there's no /bin/vi for me |
| 16:01.30 | vi__ | kerio: then the symlink is somewhere else. |
| 16:01.57 | vi__ | chadi: My copy of pastebinit is broke this moment and I have to go so I will have to show and tell another time. |
| 16:02.07 | vi__ | also, poweroff and poweron! |
| 16:02.27 | peetah | kerio: /usr/bin/vi |
| 16:02.35 | kerio | wtf, what is /usr/sbin/gainroot |
| 16:02.37 | kerio | it used to be neater |
| 16:02.54 | chadi | vi__: it's ok, thank you anyway :-) |
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| 16:11.35 | kerio | can i chsh to something better than busybox? |
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| 16:15.30 | guly | apt-get install bash && chsh /usr/local/bin/bash |
| 16:15.42 | guly | you surely will have issue with backupmenu or similar if you change root shell |
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| 16:30.56 | zeq1 | Are we using the latest available SGX driver? I was just wondering due to reported missing EGL extensions from the Fennec renderer. |
| 16:32.09 | zeq1 | freemangordon: I changed the configure.in to only require our gstreamer version if MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO=5 seemed to compile okay. |
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| 16:35.42 | kerio | bash 3 or bash 4? |
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| 16:37.38 | jpinx | what/where are the default settings for firewalling in maemo on the n900 ? |
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| 16:43.17 | twinklstar | anybody frm india? |
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| 16:47.42 | cehteh | jpinx: no defaults, no firewall |
| 16:48.30 | jpinx | cehteh: any idea why it won't return pings over usb network? |
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| 16:48.44 | cehteh | misconfiguration? |
| 16:48.56 | jpinx | cehteh: but it can ping the laptop |
| 16:48.58 | cehteh | or some other limitation? |
| 16:49.24 | cehteh | routing error? ptp net? ppp? .. whatever check your routing tables and whateer |
| 16:49.28 | jpinx | cehteh: "other limitation" ? |
| 16:49.43 | cehteh | dunno debug it |
| 16:49.49 | cehteh | can you ssh to it? |
| 16:49.55 | jpinx | cehteh: nope |
| 16:50.00 | kerio | hmm, i'm missing a pubkey apparently |
| 16:50.20 | cehteh | prolly a routing error or laptop firewall problem |
| 16:51.18 | jpinx | cehteh: ok. this is day 3 debugging :( |
| 16:51.29 | jpinx | cehteh: thanks :) |
| 16:51.36 | cehteh | :) |
| 16:52.04 | cehteh | well my crystal sphere is out of order, i cant help you |
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| 16:52.43 | freemangordon | jpinx: how du you connect your n900 to your laptop? |
| 16:52.47 | freemangordon | *do |
| 16:53.15 | jpinx | freemangordon: usb cable |
| 16:53.23 | jpinx | the nokia one ;) |
| 16:53.30 | freemangordon | zeq1: now, we use 13, latest is 1.4 |
| 16:54.00 | freemangordon | jpinx: how do you bring USB networking up? |
| 16:54.20 | freemangordon | do you have usb0 interface on your n900? |
| 16:54.25 | jpinx | ifconfig usb0 up |
| 16:54.45 | freemangordon | and what is you usb0 IP address? |
| 16:54.45 | jpinx | I down it and re-up it evertimey |
| 16:55.14 | jpinx | n900 is 192.168.2.15 |
| 16:55.20 | freemangordon | and laptop? |
| 16:55.25 | jpinx | and lsptop is ...16 |
| 16:55.45 | freemangordon | what os is your laptop? |
| 16:55.48 | jpinx | and mask on both is 255.255.255.0 |
| 16:55.56 | jpinx | debian squeeze |
| 16:56.22 | freemangordon | do you execute ping as root? |
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| 16:57.07 | jpinx | freemangordon: yes .. working everythin as root on both till I get a result |
| 16:58.30 | freemangordon | did you try to ifconfig down all ifaces bot usb0 and purge iptables/routing table on your laptop? |
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| 16:58.43 | freemangordon | *but |
| 16:59.31 | jpinx | freemangordon: yes.. I fell short of re-booting both.. that's next ;) |
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| 17:00.27 | freemangordon | so, you can ping your laptop from your n900, but cannot ping n900 from the laptop? that is strange |
| 17:00.52 | jpinx | freemangordon: tell me about that purging you mention? |
| 17:01.29 | freemangordon | iirc iptables -f should be the command to flush iptables rules |
| 17:01.45 | freemangordon | have in mind there WILL BE NO rules after that |
| 17:02.15 | jpinx | freemangordon: how o back them up first? ;) |
| 17:02.16 | freemangordon | and you can check "ip route" or "route" for how to delete routing |
| 17:02.27 | freemangordon | jpinx: iptables-save |
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| 17:03.13 | freemangordon | but a simple reboot should do the job too :) |
| 17:03.19 | jpinx | where does that get saved? |
| 17:03.58 | freemangordon | wherever you want, it spits the current config on the console, pipe it |
| 17:04.20 | jpinx | ok |
| 17:05.04 | jpinx | freemangordon: I have something else to finish. then I'll do that save and reboot. Thanks.. see you later ;) |
| 17:05.25 | jpinx | freemangordon: you've been most helpful :) |
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| 17:09.00 | freemangordon | vi__: ping |
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| 21:26.53 | *** mode/#maemo [+v infobot] by ChanServ |
| 21:28.07 | DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools |
| 21:28.07 | infobot | jrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
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| 22:52.44 | RiD | what's up infobot |
| 22:52.57 | RiD | infobot, i'm talking to you |
| 22:53.07 | ZogG_laptop | ~ping |
| 22:53.07 | infobot | ~pong |
| 22:53.16 | RiD | ~hello |
| 22:53.16 | infobot | Howdy Bub |
| 22:53.18 | ZogG_laptop | ~rape RiD |
| 22:53.18 | infobot | ACTION takes RiD behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
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| 22:53.28 | RiD | what just happened |
| 22:53.38 | RiD | ~kill ZogG_laptop |
| 22:53.38 | infobot | ACTION shoots a excited fluxtachyon gun at ZogG_laptop |
| 22:53.41 | RiD | oh nice |
| 22:53.42 | ZogG_laptop | you finally lost your virginity |
| 22:53.47 | RiD | cries |
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| 22:59.53 | qwazix_900 | ~botsnack |
| 22:59.53 | infobot | aw, gee, qwazix_900 |
| 23:00.12 | qwazix_900 | ~where are you? |
| 23:00.12 | infobot | I am at 42.37512 N, 72.51999 W |
| 23:00.43 | qwazix_900 | ~kill everybody |
| 23:00.44 | infobot | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized fluxtachyon gun at everybody |
| 23:01.34 | qwazix_900 | ok, now that everybody is dead I can go to sleep... |
| 23:02.13 | ZogG_laptop | lol |
| 23:02.38 | ZogG_laptop | we need to make maemo quotes or something |
| 23:39.00 | RiD | infobot, what is twat? |
| 23:39.00 | infobot | suck it hard! |
| 23:39.04 | RiD | what |
| 23:39.10 | RiD | infobot, what is twat? |
| 23:39.10 | infobot | suck it hard! |
| 23:39.19 | RiD | infobot, what is idiot? |
| 23:39.19 | infobot | [idiot] you |
| 23:39.30 | RiD | infobot, what is twatty? |
| 23:39.31 | infobot | I think you lost me on that one, RiD |
| 23:39.37 | RiD | Nice |
| 23:39.46 | ZogG_laptop | lol |
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| 23:40.15 | RiD | infobot no, a twatty is a different way of saying twat |
| 23:40.15 | infobot | RiD: okay |
| 23:40.25 | RiD | infobot, what is twatty? |
| 23:40.25 | infobot | well, twatty is a different way of saying twat |
| 23:40.30 | RiD | :D |
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| 23:45.36 | Raimu | o_O |
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| 23:46.16 | alex- | RiD: i'm here :| |
| 23:46.18 | RiD | infobot, how to flash my n900? |
| 23:46.19 | alex- | what do you want from me? |
| 23:46.34 | alex- | infobot: how to get rid of RiD ? |
| 23:46.50 | RiD | he's dead :O |
| 23:46.58 | alex- | you killed it! |
| 23:47.02 | RiD | infobot, what is N900? |
| 23:47.02 | infobot | i guess n900 is a wooden box with stained cans inside |
| 23:47.20 | RiD | infobot no, N900 is a wooden box with stained cans inside and a beer |
| 23:47.20 | infobot | okay, RiD |
| 23:47.27 | RiD | infobot, what is N900? |
| 23:47.27 | infobot | n900 is probably a wooden box with stained cans inside and a beer |
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| 23:47.32 | RiD | get it, alehorst? |
| 23:47.43 | RiD | oops, wrong nick. alex- ? |
| 23:47.48 | alex- | alehorst: |
| 23:47.49 | alex- | lol |
| 23:47.57 | alex- | why do we need that RiD ? |
| 23:48.09 | RiD | well, PM |
| 23:48.12 | Raimu | http://www.straferight.com/photopost/data/500/medium/double-facepalm.jpg |
| 23:48.36 | RiD | Raimu don't laugh at me. laugh at alex-! |
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