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| 00:05.53 | Hurrian | Estel_, that's nasty |
| 00:05.59 | Estel_ | yea |
| 00:06.25 | Hurrian | we've had about 7 people dead from lightning strikes the past 2 weeks, but no interruption of power, at all |
| 00:06.30 | Estel_ | well, I think it's thing that take us back to the ground - no matter how nasty s***storm over Ca results we may have on TMO, one real storm is much, *much* worse |
| 00:06.48 | Estel_ | well, power was ok her,e surprisingly, although mobile's stopped working |
| 00:07.03 | Estel_ | I wasn't able to attend Council meeting (my access was strictly mobile one :( ) |
| 00:07.21 | Estel_ | but, considering conditions - and I was semi-outside at the time - I'm glad that no real accident happened. |
| 00:07.44 | Estel_ | for a little change, tommorow we're going to have 33 celsius degrees |
| 00:07.47 | Hurrian | it's horrifying that people do get struck by lightning even in the /middle/ of the city |
| 00:07.50 | Estel_ | in shadow ;) |
| 00:07.57 | Estel_ | yea... |
| 00:08.08 | Estel_ | in our case, it's rather thing of broken things/part of trees strikikng people |
| 00:08.13 | Estel_ | (in middle of city) |
| 00:08.21 | Estel_ | of course, some lightning-strokes too, outside |
| 00:08.28 | Estel_ | well, nature is powerful |
| 00:10.03 | Estel_ | BTw, hurrian, want something entertaining?:P |
| 00:10.09 | Estel_ | for a change? |
| 00:10.11 | Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84647&page=5 |
| 00:10.12 | Hurrian | Estel_, sure, go. |
| 00:10.29 | Hurrian | ha. |
| 00:10.46 | Estel_ | Tommorow, we're going to have questions about "how to write post in TMO" |
| 00:10.47 | Estel_ | with answer |
| 00:10.51 | Estel_ | "you just did it" |
| 00:11.26 | Hurrian | I don't understand the mentality of people - the majority of maemo.org elected council, therefore aren't they most deserving of the Community Award? |
| 00:11.33 | Hurrian | anyways, I'll keep out of the flames |
| 00:11.52 | Hurrian | it's still a hot potato, and has turned into a ****storm |
| 00:12.07 | Estel_ | actually, this stormk, is rather over |
| 00:12.12 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 00:12.18 | Estel_ | biggets isue is that vi turned out to live in Papua New Guinea :P |
| 00:12.28 | Estel_ | he wans't very contend in that |
| 00:12.48 | Estel_ | bad luck, that Nokia decided to do this fubar "one login experience" right now |
| 00:12.54 | Hurrian | well, the DHL emails haven't been sent yet, right? |
| 00:12.55 | SpeedEvil | :( |
| 00:13.01 | Estel_ | BTw, someone whjo merged those databases, deserve darwin award |
| 00:13.13 | Estel_ | I think so, i haven't received one |
| 00:13.15 | Estel_ | hahaha |
| 00:13.20 | Hurrian | so it means that qgil has probably stalled for some time trying to sort it all out |
| 00:13.22 | Estel_ | funniest conclusion, would be to cancel everything |
| 00:13.26 | Estel_ | due to nokia cutting funds |
| 00:13.30 | Estel_ | after this whole shitstorm |
| 00:13.41 | Estel_ | I bet, that zealots like ZogG would then said, that iot's God's wraith :P |
| 00:13.55 | Estel_ | honestly, though, I'm absolutely sure, that it will meet successful end |
| 00:14.07 | Estel_ | I hope so |
| 00:14.16 | Estel_ | migration, at best, cleared "city" field |
| 00:14.27 | Estel_ | using "nearest city" idiotism instead |
| 00:14.38 | Estel_ | BTw, nearest city isn't aware about Bulgaria capitol and some others too |
| 00:14.50 | Estel_ | but best story, is when someone had same account name as someone in ovi store |
| 00:14.54 | Estel_ | ovi* not store |
| 00:14.59 | Estel_ | it got merged totally |
| 00:15.11 | Hurrian | i don't think it's same account name, rather same email |
| 00:15.18 | Estel_ | thus vi ended up being registered @ papua new guinea, and SD69 was presented with mail and phone of someone else |
| 00:15.41 | Estel_ | well, I hope someone will start trial agaisnt Nokia, due to leakage of personal data |
| 00:15.53 | Estel_ | God knows who is aware of which address now :) |
| 00:16.42 | Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1229211#post1229211 |
| 00:16.55 | Estel_ | ^^^ considering data leakage, maybe I should be afraid of Zog coming with torches to my house?:P |
| 00:17.06 | Estel_ | Well, i hope they will send it out next week. |
| 00:17.31 | Estel_ | Ma, i'm starving (returned home just 30 minutes ago) |
| 00:17.36 | Estel_ | (or so) |
| 00:17.53 | Estel_ | need to eat somethikng, as firstly I was checking results of Council meeting... brb, going to cook some spaghetti |
| 00:17.55 | SpeedEvil | is also hoping for a new device next week. |
| 00:18.04 | SpeedEvil | Though alas will not be maemo/harmattan/... |
| 00:18.13 | SpeedEvil | (nexus 7) |
| 00:18.25 | Estel_ | don't have high hopes, blacklberry10 was postponed to 2013 :P |
| 00:18.34 | Hurrian | SpeedEvil, it seems like a nice, cheap platform to dev on |
| 00:18.35 | Estel_ | are You going to install Mer on it? |
| 00:19.09 | SpeedEvil | Probably not. I'm likely to use it more for actual use. |
| 00:19.16 | SpeedEvil | Reading books, and such. |
| 00:19.22 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately. |
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| 00:22.56 | Estel_ | well, fvor reading books, do You need such resources?:P |
| 00:23.02 | Estel_ | of cours,e it's Your choice |
| 00:23.17 | Estel_ | but it sounds like a little overkill, to have such specification for playing angry birds, reading web, and books |
| 00:23.20 | ShadowJK | was considering asus transformer 300 or 700 |
| 00:23.37 | ShadowJK | For reading books, surfing webs and youtubes, playing gta |
| 00:24.10 | Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1229223&postcount=66 <- last aprt of qwazix post - LOL at "Nokia care" |
| 00:24.35 | Estel_ | "Nokia Care", "One click loging experience"... I'm going to run away, hearing something like that |
| 00:24.58 | Estel_ | well, he is lucky, that they haven't recycled his device without asking, as they're known to do so, reportedly, many times. |
| 00:26.55 | SpeedEvil | Estel_: and I totally agree. |
| 00:27.11 | SpeedEvil | Estel_: However - I'm more interested in the decent res screen. |
| 00:27.18 | Estel_ | I see. |
| 00:27.27 | SpeedEvil | Estel_: for casual browsing |
| 00:27.34 | Estel_ | Well, for my eyes, N900 have really nice resolution, and i enjoy reading books on it |
| 00:27.41 | Estel_ | well, 1024 would be nice, fact |
| 00:27.57 | Estel_ | I use scaling of whole web page in chromium, to achieve that |
| 00:28.02 | SpeedEvil | Me too - but it works best for me at night, in the day, I prefer something larger. |
| 00:28.09 | Estel_ | nods |
| 00:28.26 | SpeedEvil | Sometimes a larger reading distance is just better |
| 00:29.10 | SpeedEvil | I do want to investigate if dual booting is possible. |
| 00:29.29 | ShadowJK | is nexus 7 going to available this soon? |
| 00:29.57 | SpeedEvil | It said 2-3 weeks on the order page |
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| 00:31.51 | ShadowJK | guesses they wont be selling it in .fi the next couple years :( |
| 00:32.59 | ShadowJK | god wtf, Tegra T30L and gig of ram? |
| 00:33.18 | ShadowJK | the price point is brutal lol |
| 00:36.40 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 00:36.59 | Estel_ | <ShadowJK> god wtf, Tegra T30L and gig of ram? <- talking about nexus 7? |
| 00:37.31 | ShadowJK | ya |
| 00:37.41 | Estel_ | call me tinfoil hat, but i can't shake feeling, that only use for those multi-cored and gigabytes of RAM in such device, will be to allow them encrypt/hide their spying on us. |
| 00:37.50 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 00:38.00 | Estel_ | (i..e make it less detectable, when sending private data together with other transfers) |
| 00:38.25 | SpeedEvil | I was sort-of-considering http://www.wopadusa.com/store/android-v4-0/wopad-i9-9-7-rk-3066-dual-core-arm-cortex-a9-1-4ghz-cpu-ips-screen-tablet/ |
| 00:38.44 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, why not waiting for Vivaldi? It's going to have 1Gb of RAM too :) |
| 00:38.55 | ShadowJK | Considering they already know what I browse on youtube (and offer a mix of esports, military equipment, high voltage electronics, and vintage internal combustion engine videos) |
| 00:39.01 | ShadowJK | What is vivaldi? |
| 00:39.01 | RiD | i got a mobile device with 8gb of ram |
| 00:39.06 | Estel_ | plasma active may be not heaven, but it's still better than what android have to offer |
| 00:39.20 | SpeedEvil | Estel_: Because I have questions it will be available in the near term. |
| 00:39.20 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, http://opentablets.org/ |
| 00:39.42 | SpeedEvil | Estel_: In addition, I'm, if not buying one, at least donating about a quarter of the price when it becomes available. |
| 00:40.17 | ShadowJK | oh wow I think my PC hung :( |
| 00:40.25 | Estel_ | it's true that Vilvaldi is slow at hell re arriving (all the time just around the corner), but I have high hopes for it (Pink floyd TM) |
| 00:40.41 | Estel_ | RiD, sure, my notebook have 4Gbof RAM |
| 00:40.48 | Estel_ | but it's still more "mine" than any android device |
| 00:40.55 | Estel_ | which can be doing whatever it want with my data :P |
| 00:41.12 | Estel_ | my trust for google is at the same level as I trust my goverment |
| 00:41.13 | SpeedEvil | The only major issue I have with the nexus is lack of microSD |
| 00:41.22 | Estel_ | what the hell is that tendency of microSd lacking? |
| 00:41.25 | Estel_ | SD at all |
| 00:41.37 | Estel_ | thjey don't like sandisk and their SDXc, or what? |
| 00:41.43 | SpeedEvil | It's marginally cheaper to leave it out. |
| 00:41.47 | SpeedEvil | And of course... |
| 00:41.48 | Estel_ | it's real PITA. same goes for R.I.P N9 |
| 00:41.56 | SpeedEvil | 8G is $199 |
| 00:42.00 | Estel_ | I think by "marginally" You mean really, really marginally |
| 00:42.02 | SpeedEvil | 16G is $249 |
| 00:42.16 | Estel_ | bastards |
| 00:42.23 | SpeedEvil | And $50-$8-$1 adds up |
| 00:42.40 | Estel_ | suuuure, lately I was able to buy 32 Gb genuine card (it turned to be true) for ~17 USD |
| 00:42.44 | Estel_ | Sandisk class 4 |
| 00:42.50 | ShadowJK | the question is, how much do I have to spend on a notebook before I get something that doesn't sound like a tornado, doesn't run out of battery immediately, and has a screen that doesn't have viewing angles so shitty the contrast is inveresed in one of your eyes all the time |
| 00:42.53 | SpeedEvil | So they likely make ~$42 profit ish extra on the bigger one |
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| 00:43.15 | SpeedEvil | Which would seem a really good reason to leave it out. |
| 00:43.16 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, it's rather about time spent, not money |
| 00:43.20 | SpeedEvil | From a buisness case. |
| 00:43.30 | ShadowJK | Estel_; hm? |
| 00:43.40 | Estel_ | You need to mod battery and cooling system Yourself |
| 00:43.45 | Estel_ | msot of the times |
| 00:43.58 | Estel_ | I have yet to see notebook with cooling system that doesn't require modification |
| 00:44.44 | ShadowJK | ugh, rebooting PC is such a fucking pain |
| 00:44.44 | ShadowJK | mouse speed is all off. and the correct setting isn't available through UI |
| 00:44.45 | Estel_ | BTw, laugh at me, but N900 sounds more like olymp of what You've described - it doesn't make cooling sounds, with 3000 mAh battery run for ages... |
| 00:44.50 | Estel_ | and it's cheap to buy now ;0 |
| 00:45.13 | Estel_ | if only not for the lack ofRAM :) |
| 00:46.22 | Estel_ | ok, time to finally do this spaghetti, or I'll really starve |
| 00:46.36 | Estel_ | I preffer real spaghetti over TMO one. |
| 00:46.43 | SpeedEvil | wants some food. |
| 00:46.46 | RiD | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fucking,_Austria |
| 00:46.53 | SpeedEvil | is 146 calories over target for today though. |
| 00:47.03 | RiD | you control your calories? |
| 00:47.07 | RiD | I feel bad for you |
| 00:47.34 | SpeedEvil | It's either do that, or be unable to get up easily. |
| 00:47.49 | SpeedEvil | http://www.wopadusa.com/store/android-v4-0/wopad-i9-9-7-rk-3066-dual-core-arm-cortex-a9-1-4ghz-cpu-ips-screen-tablet/ |
| 00:47.51 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 00:48.08 | SpeedEvil | http://qkwv.com/weight.gif |
| 00:48.51 | ShadowJK | I guess it's time to buy a new PC too :/ |
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| 00:49.06 | RiD | SpeedEvil is that YOUR weight graphic? |
| 00:49.08 | ShadowJK | omg I have flashblock disabled |
| 00:49.11 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:49.18 | RiD | SpeedEvil mine's rising. Awesome |
| 00:49.27 | ShadowJK | listens to cacaphony of firefox restoring all the tabs, about 20 youtube tabs |
| 00:49.31 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: It's astonishing what that does to battery life |
| 00:49.38 | SpeedEvil | or temperature |
| 00:50.03 | ShadowJK | This is my q9550 desktop |
| 00:50.33 | ShadowJK | I'm hearing about 4 different ads, played at different offsets, about 30 times :-) |
| 00:50.41 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 00:50.59 | SpeedEvil | Highlighted tabs that play sound would be so nice |
| 00:51.16 | RiD | ShadowJK brain therapy |
| 00:51.24 | RiD | FREE! |
| 00:51.33 | ShadowJK | phew |
| 00:51.36 | ShadowJK | finally found all of them |
| 00:51.38 | RiD | but you said Ads? |
| 00:52.00 | ShadowJK | Well it started with ads then went on to actual videos |
| 00:52.33 | ShadowJK | The ads stood out because same ads played simultaneously with a second or two delay from eachother |
| 00:54.10 | SpeedEvil | Also - major issue with the Vivaldi is the low resolution screen. |
| 00:55.53 | ShadowJK | 'd like >250ppi, >178 degree viewing angle |
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| 00:57.43 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, I feel stupid as healt advisor, but havent You though about martial arts? It act better on health than counting callories, and, when speaking about *real* martial *arts*, you can start it in any age |
| 00:58.15 | Estel_ | you won't weight much less - it's just that it will be muscles instead of fat weighting :) |
| 00:58.29 | Estel_ | + you don't look like szwarceneger clone |
| 00:58.53 | Estel_ | (i.e. big no for culturist way of losing weight :D ) |
| 00:59.02 | Estel_ | (or gaining, actually, whatever) |
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| 01:00.02 | Estel_ | It's like Open Source - You don't need to follow this or that martial arts rules strictly, You can learn to understand them, and mix whats best, creating Your own style. It's rather about philosophy, but it works great for health too :) |
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| 01:07.06 | SpeedEvil | Estel_: I've got health problems which make any activity problematic. |
| 01:07.18 | Estel_ | I see. |
| 01:07.25 | SpeedEvil | I often get problematically tired doing the hoovering :/ |
| 01:07.32 | Estel_ | in such case, no more chocies than counting calories, I suppose. |
| 01:08.11 | Estel_ | Well, no much more I can say, than keeping thumbs for Your health. Take care. |
| 01:08.26 | Estel_ | as logn as You don't give up, it's not that bad, I hope. |
| 01:09.20 | SpeedEvil | Trying not to. |
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| 02:02.18 | ShadowJK | wtf, this 32g sandisk usd is benchmarking weirdly |
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| 02:04.27 | ShadowJK | 4k random write: 350 (!) iops, 16k random writes: 1.5 iops (wtf!?) |
| 02:04.44 | ShadowJK | lets restart.. it was untouched card afterall.. |
| 02:05.20 | SpeedEvil | Ow. |
| 02:05.41 | SpeedEvil | The first would be truly excellent for swap once it gets nicely fragmented. |
| 02:05.43 | SpeedEvil | hehe. |
| 02:07.30 | ShadowJK | wtf is this :) |
| 02:07.51 | ShadowJK | For comparison, sandisk class 2 does 4.5 iops at 16k :) |
| 02:08.20 | ShadowJK | and a "Ultra Mobile MicroSDHC" or something Class 4 (old branding) does 7 and some |
| 02:08.38 | ShadowJK | This is a 32g Class 4 new branding |
| 02:08.55 | ShadowJK | (I suspected they rebranded C2 into C4, and C4 into C6) |
| 02:10.25 | ShadowJK | Seems to level out at 1 iops... |
| 02:11.23 | ShadowJK | Interestingly, the card was cheaper than the old-branding class 2. |
| 02:13.16 | SpeedEvil | is amused that that's probably slower than the slowest floppy I've owned. |
| 02:13.51 | SpeedEvil | what's sequential like? |
| 02:14.09 | ShadowJK | Dunno, it's still running rnd write test |
| 02:14.24 | ShadowJK | Maintaining 0.9 iops at 4M block size |
| 02:14.32 | ShadowJK | 2M |
| 02:15.15 | ShadowJK | 1.01 at 4M |
| 02:17.32 | ShadowJK | and 0.5 at 8M |
| 02:17.34 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 02:18.52 | ShadowJK | So 4M block size, 1 IOPS |
| 02:19.02 | ShadowJK | wonders what's happening at 4k... |
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| 02:23.11 | ShadowJK | It seems to do vaguely better with unaligned random writes... |
| 02:23.16 | ShadowJK | scratches head |
| 02:25.50 | SpeedEvil | does an impromptu benchmark of his new 32G SD |
| 02:26.04 | SpeedEvil | - unzipping a _LOT_ of big jpegs from NASA |
| 02:26.48 | ShadowJK | I'm using the benchmark utility talked about here: http://blog.rethinkdb.com/rebench-cutting-through-the-myths-of-io-perfo |
| 02:27.03 | SpeedEvil | about 1.3 or so files/s of 1M |
| 02:32.25 | ShadowJK | On sequential write it's also coming out slower than my old sandisk class 2 |
| 02:33.29 | SpeedEvil | 6 min to unzip a 600M file. But I question if my SD card reader in this laptop is sane. |
| 02:33.44 | ShadowJK | preferred_erase_size 4194304 :) |
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| 02:34.10 | SpeedEvil | That tool does look interesting. |
| 02:34.49 | SpeedEvil | If I had an unlimited amount of money, I'd pay some people to RE some random microSDs/... properly |
| 02:35.19 | ShadowJK | I vaguely recall that when I discovered the tool I got the impression it was the one that went as straight to the device as possible |
| 02:35.36 | ShadowJK | I was seeing linux caching effects with iozone and such |
| 02:35.40 | SpeedEvil | Oh - no. |
| 02:36.08 | SpeedEvil | I mean take the microSD - delaminate and reverse engineer it |
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| 02:36.48 | ShadowJK | oh I thought you meant rebench |
| 02:37.33 | SpeedEvil | _slghtly_ more costly :) |
| 02:38.17 | ShadowJK | ok now getting to slightly more interesting benchmarks, multithread sequential |
| 02:38.54 | ShadowJK | This is where my old sandisks did 5 megs/second, and kingstons did .5 megs/second. |
| 02:40.06 | ShadowJK | uh yeah two threads does better than single thread, by a factor of 5 :/ |
| 02:40.27 | ShadowJK | wonders if rebench is overflowing something and not doing proper patterns on 32g device |
| 02:40.31 | SpeedEvil | What? |
| 02:40.34 | ShadowJK | nah they tested it with HDs.. |
| 02:40.35 | SpeedEvil | Screwy. |
| 02:40.39 | ShadowJK | Yes, very |
| 02:41.07 | SpeedEvil | I could sort of handwave it if 2 did better by a factor of 2 |
| 02:41.39 | ShadowJK | single thread 32k sequential write: 4M/sec. 2 threads: 12M/sec. |
| 02:42.03 | ShadowJK | just wtf |
| 02:42.17 | SpeedEvil | Truly odd. |
| 02:42.30 | SpeedEvil | what does dd say? |
| 02:43.13 | ShadowJK | dunno, between 4 and 5 I imagine |
| 02:43.44 | ShadowJK | (my rebench script still running) |
| 02:47.25 | ShadowJK | topping out at 18M/sec... |
| 02:47.41 | ShadowJK | oh I see |
| 02:48.06 | ShadowJK | I was testing read not write at multithread :/ |
| 02:48.08 | ShadowJK | my bad |
| 02:48.19 | ShadowJK | So that only leaves the random 4k mystery |
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| 02:55.51 | SpeedEvil | umm - you mean that was sequential write 4M, 2 thread read... |
| 02:56.52 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 02:57.50 | ShadowJK | It's depressing, USB drives seem to get alot more coverage, yet even there when I ordered a drive that allegedly had high write IOPS, it turned out to be one of the crappiest I tested. |
| 03:01.58 | ShadowJK | 2 thread sequential write is slightly faster than 1 thread. 4 thread collapses totally. |
| 03:02.22 | ShadowJK | (into same performance class as purely random write) |
| 03:03.51 | ShadowJK | Not even the kingstons crash this badly in performance :/ |
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| 03:24.32 | ShadowJK | needs to come up with a sensible way to present accumulatd benchmark data in a sensible way |
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| 04:18.48 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, but You mean usb HD's with rotary disks? |
| 04:19.47 | Estel_ | ~botsnack |
| 04:20.03 | Estel_ | ~botsnack |
| 04:20.20 | fsdfsdfs | not hungry? |
| 04:20.31 | fsdfsdfs | ~botsnack |
| 04:20.31 | infobot | fsdfsdfs: thanks |
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| 07:36.52 | Dr_I | vr reply |
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| 09:45.10 | zeq | is off out today, but has one more fennec debug log to share... |
| 09:45.24 | zeq | http://pastebin.com/EasfV7qP |
| 09:45.29 | freemangordon | zeq: hi |
| 09:45.37 | zeq | hi freemangordon |
| 09:45.40 | zeq | :) |
| 09:46.13 | zeq | above log is with the minimal amount of hacking to get rotation working with availableGeometry (don't know why it works) |
| 09:46.17 | freemangordon | zeq: i've just disabled anothe resizeEvent handler in moziqwidget.h, building |
| 09:46.27 | zeq | how are you getting on? |
| 09:47.09 | freemangordon | BTW what is strange, is that if we are in tasknav, rotation always work, still cannot understand whay |
| 09:47.43 | freemangordon | zeq: any progress on your side |
| 09:48.00 | zeq | if it helps track things down, calling resize() with availableGeometry does trigger resize of the view widget. The call to setSceneRect() makes triggers it to resize it to full height. No idea why in either case. |
| 09:48.47 | zeq | It is working but using inexplicable avialableGeometry hack ^ |
| 09:49.06 | freemangordon | with the stripe at the bottom? |
| 09:49.10 | zeq | no stripe |
| 09:49.13 | freemangordon | what? |
| 09:49.20 | freemangordon | mind to share the code? |
| 09:49.23 | zeq | sure |
| 09:50.07 | zeq | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.07 | zeq | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.07 | zeq | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.07 | zeq | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.07 | zeq | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.09 | zeq | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.12 | zeq | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.14 | zeq | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.17 | zeq | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.19 | zeq | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.22 | zeq | that's all |
| 09:50.28 | zeq | in the hildon resize event handler |
| 09:50.56 | freemangordon | but the same code resulted in an inactive stripe at the bottom yesterday? |
| 09:51.23 | freemangordon | what has changed? |
| 09:51.23 | zeq | just the resize() results in a stripe. any more code results in a stripe... |
| 09:51.37 | freemangordon | hmm |
| 09:51.53 | freemangordon | ok, i'll try that |
| 09:52.19 | zeq | freemangordon: I'll chat with you later, off out now... |
| 09:52.28 | freemangordon | ok |
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| 10:22.28 | freemangordon | zeq: i did it man :D:D:D |
| 10:22.58 | freemangordon | using screenGeometry, hooraaay |
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| 10:28.46 | freemangordon | trx: ^^^ |
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| 10:59.36 | trx | freemangordon finally! |
| 10:59.42 | trx | what was the catch? |
| 11:00.18 | freemangordon | class MozQGraphicsView::virtual void resizeEvent(QResizeEvent* aEvent) |
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| 11:01.35 | freemangordon | trx: look at MozQGraphicsViewEvents::void handleResizeEvent(QResizeEvent* aEvent, IMozQWidget* aTopLevel) |
| 11:01.46 | freemangordon | too |
| 11:01.53 | trx | damn, i thought nsWindow::onResizeEvent was the implementation of that ;/ |
| 11:02.09 | freemangordon | we all were thinkong like that ;) |
| 11:02.30 | trx | good find :) |
| 11:02.52 | freemangordon | there is some hackery there to prevent unneccessary scrolling, which screwed the resizing |
| 11:03.11 | freemangordon | now I am trying what will happen if we don't track orientationchanged event |
| 11:03.54 | freemangordon | trx: do you have experience with QGLWidget and like GLES related stuff? |
| 11:04.17 | trx | no, i never worked with GL widgets |
| 11:04.36 | trx | why? |
| 11:04.59 | freemangordon | because ever since I was a student (and even back then) I were never been able to grok the matixes :D:D:D |
| 11:05.13 | freemangordon | it seems we're not using GL acceleration wight now |
| 11:05.22 | freemangordon | but raster engine |
| 11:05.46 | freemangordon | ind if GLES is enabled, some nasty things happen |
| 11:05.49 | freemangordon | *and |
| 11:06.28 | trx | there is a switch wich you can specify the engine ./appname --graphics-engine raster |
| 11:06.37 | trx | you can try to force gl |
| 11:06.43 | freemangordon | naah, wont work, already tried it |
| 11:06.51 | freemangordon | *don't |
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| 11:07.11 | trx | hmm :/ |
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| 11:07.45 | freemangordon | you should have QGLWidget as a top-level one, there is a code for that , but it is #if (maemo6) |
| 11:08.21 | freemangordon | if I enable it all that I have is a black screen and the stuff that should be there appears only when scrolling |
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| 11:08.53 | trx | freemangordon then this may help : http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qq/qq26-openglcanvas.html |
| 11:09.02 | freemangordon | lemme check |
| 11:10.14 | freemangordon | yeah, the similar code exsts |
| 11:10.18 | freemangordon | *exists |
| 11:10.49 | trx | have you set the "FullViewportUpdate" flag ? |
| 11:10.58 | freemangordon | trx: look in moziqwidget.h |
| 11:11.02 | freemangordon | NFC, lemme check |
| 11:11.55 | freemangordon | trx: no |
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| 11:12.25 | trx | thats the problem i believe |
| 11:12.26 | freemangordon | trx: why is that needed? |
| 11:12.34 | freemangordon | could be |
| 11:12.37 | trx | here : http://pastebin.com/TCQCXALm |
| 11:13.21 | trx | the note bellow the text explains it] |
| 11:13.28 | freemangordon | hmm, could be that, nice catch :) |
| 11:14.25 | freemangordon | but on the other hand when app is started I see some logs that full updates are enabled as a workaround ;) |
| 11:14.55 | freemangordon | anyway, that is the next step, lemme check what is happening if orientationchanged is not tracked |
| 11:14.56 | trx | you could try that other flag in the paste too |
| 11:15.02 | freemangordon | yep |
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| 11:18.00 | freemangordon | trx: we deffinitely need orientationchanged tracking ;) |
| 11:18.45 | trx | with the Resize() in it? |
| 11:19.29 | freemangordon | yep, now going to check without it |
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| 11:21.13 | freemangordon | there are some nasty transition going, i.e. after rotation, the scene is drawn in the middle, looks ugly will try to get rid of it |
| 11:21.30 | freemangordon | trx: did you checkout the code? |
| 11:21.54 | trx | freemangordon no, i am looking at the github |
| 11:22.00 | freemangordon | ok |
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| 11:23.19 | trx | but i wont resist for much long to checkout and compile myself :) |
| 11:23.28 | trx | tomorrow i am free |
| 11:23.34 | freemangordon | go, go, go , goooo :P |
| 11:23.44 | trx | :)) |
| 11:24.49 | freemangordon | aaah, where is zeq, it will be much faster if we check the various hacks in parallel :( |
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| 11:55.19 | freemangordon | trx: Resize is not needed |
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| 12:24.36 | Lava_Croft | way to go, DocScrutinizer ! |
| 12:25.57 | Lava_Croft | at this rate, people like you will make this community eat itself |
| 12:26.01 | DocScrutinizer | sure thing, you accusing me of something - I ask for quote of my allegedly "own words" you quote, and I offer you may as well get banned for telling lies about me - your answer "go the fuck find it yourself!°" |
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| 12:31.11 | freemangordon | zeq,trx: fixes commited, you may want to pull them :) |
| 12:31.30 | freemangordon | is off for cigarettes |
| 12:36.43 | rzr | qwazix_N950, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1229390#post1229390 |
| 12:39.53 | ZogG_laptop | SpeedEvil: is it you with gentoo on n900? |
| 12:40.12 | ZogG_laptop | i always forget the nick and always talk to that person (i feel ashamed now) |
| 12:40.43 | NIN101 | lukeJR |
| 12:40.55 | ZogG_laptop | nice |
| 12:40.59 | ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: pigeon |
| 12:41.05 | ZogG_laptop | oops |
| 12:41.41 | ZogG_laptop | tried to autocompete ping and it used nickname, lazy me is trying autocompete on words sometimes, as forget it's still 2012 |
| 12:42.06 | ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: anyway i think you won CA right? any plans on gentoo/funtoo on n9/50? |
| 12:42.18 | freemangordon | he did not |
| 12:42.21 | freemangordon | AFAIK |
| 12:42.54 | ZogG_laptop | oh, i thought he was in list |
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| 12:43.23 | trx | freemangordon great! |
| 12:43.41 | trx | freemangordon i wont be back until tomorrow afternoon |
| 12:44.05 | trx | then ill checkout and then we have 3 parallel compiles :) |
| 12:44.07 | trx | bye |
| 12:46.14 | freemangordon | trx: bye |
| 12:54.46 | freemangordon | ZogG_laptop: I beg you to stop that, really, you're doing more damage that you can possibly imagine :( |
| 12:55.40 | ZogG_laptop | freemangordon: what i did now? |
| 12:55.44 | freemangordon | :) |
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| 12:56.25 | ZogG_laptop | freemangordon: the thing was Lava wasn't related to me at all i was helping him with camera poblme on harmattan |
| 12:56.35 | freemangordon | your post on TMO ;) on "Ask the council" thread, and like |
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| 12:57.03 | freemangordon | ZogG_laptop: ^^^ |
| 12:57.13 | ZogG_laptop | freemangordon: but i truely belive so. i think Doc don't want us to talk about it, want to query me? |
| 12:57.55 | freemangordon | not really, I just beg you, but of course it is up to you how you will behave. |
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| 13:02.05 | ZogG_laptop | freemangordon: you know there are always two sides in conflict, and i don't think it's my side that should consider to stop =\ |
| 13:02.09 | ZogG_laptop | sorry |
| 13:02.26 | freemangordon | :) sure thing |
| 13:02.37 | japh | hands out warm hugs to the public |
| 13:04.31 | ZogG_laptop | jiggles |
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| 13:32.29 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: ++ |
| 13:39.56 | Dr_I | My Nokist of N900 my love -fink Maemo |
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| 13:43.58 | DocScrutinizer | Dr_I: doesn't parse |
| 13:47.18 | SpeedEvil | ZogG no |
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| 14:30.28 | luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: send me a N950 and I'll port it… |
| 14:31.04 | ZogG_laptop | the point is me participating in it as well |
| 14:31.50 | luke-jr | <.< |
| 14:33.27 | ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: it's a pitty you didn't win but on other hand i recal when it was just out you said you don't want one and n900 is better, but i might be wrong thar it was you |
| 14:36.32 | luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: I still think N900 is probably better, but it's a dead end :p |
| 14:37.55 | ZogG_laptop | =\ |
| 14:38.04 | ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: n950 is dead end as well |
| 14:38.17 | luke-jr | it has more memory tho |
| 14:38.43 | ZogG_laptop | lol |
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| 14:38.54 | ZogG_laptop | it's always all about memory |
| 14:41.03 | freemangordon | zeq: ping |
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| 14:53.41 | kerio | does the order of flashing (vanilla and combined) actually matter if i don't reflash with -R? |
| 14:55.03 | merlin1991 | nope |
| 14:55.14 | merlin1991 | technically there is no difference when you don't boot |
| 14:55.15 | freemangordon | wrong |
| 14:55.19 | kerio | why does the wiki talk about a bug in NOLO then? |
| 14:55.30 | kerio | if you flash combined before vanilla |
| 14:55.40 | freemangordon | you can't flash vanilla without flashing combined |
| 14:55.43 | freemangordon | iirc |
| 14:55.49 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: he's talking about order |
| 14:55.52 | freemangordon | yep |
| 14:56.05 | freemangordon | it just not enter the correct flashing state |
| 14:56.09 | freemangordon | IIRC :) |
| 14:56.25 | freemangordon | might be wring |
| 14:56.29 | freemangordon | *wrong |
| 14:56.35 | merlin1991 | and yes ofc you need to flash both, since "maemo-optify-once" moves stuff from combined (rootfs) onto the emmc |
| 14:56.59 | merlin1991 | I flashed both ways vanilla first, combined first and ran into no problems |
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| 14:59.03 | merlin1991 | kerio: wiki is talking about flashing when you do both images in one go (without a "reboot" of nolo) |
| 14:59.10 | kerio | yeah |
| 14:59.21 | kerio | why wouldn't i do that? |
| 14:59.29 | kerio | just call flasher twice in a row |
| 14:59.35 | merlin1991 | dunno never tried that |
| 15:00.03 | merlin1991 | I always flashed emmc, unplugged so device powered down completely then flashed rootfs |
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| 15:03.55 | kerio | will unplugging after flashing make the device shut down? |
| 15:04.08 | merlin1991 | for met it does, and it should |
| 15:04.18 | merlin1991 | but to be sure you can always pull the battery |
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| 15:12.13 | kakashi__ | Hi people, I have a major problem now |
| 15:12.46 | kakashi__ | I am a loyal user of N900 but apparently as most of the other users of n900 my usb was worn out and broke |
| 15:14.09 | kakashi__ | since I was travelling I had no tools so I had to get this to nokia care for which the people at nokia care said they would take a month at least and stuff |
| 15:14.15 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: freemangordon: merlin199: technically for flashing vanilla a working rootfs is needed. And also technically you should flash rootfs last, so you can tell for sure "maemo-optify-once" hastn't been run |
| 15:14.42 | kerio | so, vanilla and then combined, without rebooting |
| 15:14.43 | kerio | gotcha |
| 15:14.43 | kakashi__ | then I went to a normal phone repair shop and they seemingly destroyed one of the filter IC |
| 15:15.14 | kakashi__ | I then ordered an old Nokia n900 from ebay which the user claimed it was being sold as spares and stuff |
| 15:15.37 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: NOLO (actually the rootfs parts that flash vanilla) will hang after flashing vanilla, so you need to "reboot" after vanilla flashing |
| 15:15.59 | kerio | aww |
| 15:16.02 | kerio | how? |
| 15:16.04 | DocScrutinizer | that's the "bug" in NOLO |
| 15:16.12 | kerio | remove the battery? |
| 15:16.35 | kakashi__ | now the problem is this nokia n900 that I have got from ebay is weird as the usb is soldered by using a wire or something and if I turn it on it asks for a code, i cant hard reset the device plausibly due to its weird usb connections |
| 15:16.50 | DocScrutinizer | well, not really needed, but a proper full powerdown is the only way to enter NOLO again after vanilla flashing |
| 15:17.14 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: if i'm feeling lazy, can i flash combined before vanilla? |
| 15:17.16 | kakashi__ | is there a way out? |
| 15:17.21 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 15:17.28 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: ^^ |
| 15:17.37 | kerio | will it cause problems if i make sure that i don't reboot between the two flashes? |
| 15:17.54 | DocScrutinizer | you just have to make damn sure you DONT boot between flashing combined and vanilla |
| 15:17.58 | kerio | k |
| 15:18.43 | DocScrutinizer | if you fail, your device won't boot at all after the complete flashing, or it will act strange. Then you flash combined again |
| 15:19.35 | kakashi__ | DocScrutinizer, is there a way to compromize the lock? (the security lock?) |
| 15:19.50 | DocScrutinizer | mompls, reading backlog |
| 15:21.20 | DocScrutinizer | kakashi__: no simple way out |
| 15:21.45 | kakashi__ | DocScrutinizer, is there a complex way at all? |
| 15:21.50 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 15:21.59 | kakashi__ | and that is? |
| 15:22.10 | DocScrutinizer | reflash via service contraption (via testpoints under battery) |
| 15:22.46 | kakashi__ | uh! is there a link that I could follow or some? |
| 15:22.48 | DocScrutinizer | unless the USB fix affected those testpoints as well |
| 15:22.56 | DocScrutinizer | ~usbfix |
| 15:22.56 | infobot | hmm... usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 15:23.36 | DocScrutinizer | probably your best bet is to fix the fix ;-) |
| 15:23.58 | kakashi__ | uH! I cant do it with these mighty huge useless soldering iron |
| 15:24.13 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 15:24.38 | kakashi__ | well, what is the service contraption thing - the testpoints under battery thing? |
| 15:25.12 | DocScrutinizer | basically the D+ and D- usb lines that are available under battery |
| 15:25.29 | kakashi__ | aha, yeah ... |
| 15:26.27 | DocScrutinizer | I doubt usual service jigs as found at Nokia care centers are using those, though |
| 15:26.56 | DocScrutinizer | they also seem to rely on working USB receptacle for reflashing |
| 15:27.21 | SpeedEvil | It's possible to reflash without |
| 15:27.30 | SpeedEvil | But I don't think anyones written up the procedure |
| 15:27.34 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: how? |
| 15:27.38 | SpeedEvil | It does of cours rely on the device booting |
| 15:28.02 | DocScrutinizer | serial UART? |
| 15:28.05 | SpeedEvil | Dibblah did it with installing the bootmenu thing, booting meego on SD, then flashing from there |
| 15:28.17 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 15:28.26 | DocScrutinizer | not with devicelock engaged though |
| 15:28.26 | SpeedEvil | I don't think he wrote it up though. |
| 15:28.29 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 15:28.59 | DocScrutinizer | heads out for brinner |
| 15:29.06 | kakashi__ | the whole issue is about the devicelock |
| 15:29.19 | kakashi__ | btw, I cant reflash it? |
| 15:29.35 | kakashi__ | if the usb was okay and I lost the device lock? |
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| 15:54.11 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, turned filantropic? |
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| 15:55.42 | Estel_ | life is suprising - I would never suspect Doc of being so altruistic |
| 15:56.34 | Estel_ | just a while ago, invited all trolls to create their own - another - dedicated thread, with constant supply of food. Ho ho, really, who would suspect that? |
| 15:57.45 | Estel_ | that was what lava-croft was about? You could just tell him, that You weren't able to watch, hor poor trolls are starting to starve :( Soft heart, that it's |
| 15:58.18 | Estel_ | s/it's/is/ |
| 15:58.52 | Estel_ | is heading to eat something, that doesn't contain even 1 mg of sugar-coating |
| 16:03.59 | Estel_ | btw, I hope You understand, that I'm joking. |
| 16:04.44 | Estel_ | it's just that throwing a suggestion "You want something done in trolish way, just start thread on TMO and try to raise enough voices" is like giving heroine to addicts. |
| 16:05.41 | Estel_ | poor trolls, they won't read further part, where You explain that such rule doesn't exist, and it was Your creation - now they will feed on pour and jealous souls, just to end up with nothing, and getting even more hungry. |
| 16:05.56 | Estel_ | so, You're either filantropic or cruel? ;) |
| 16:06.21 | Estel_ | but lma is right. That would be *something* |
| 16:06.51 | Estel_ | definitely bad, but still something. |
| 16:07.31 | ZogG_laptop | you read lasst answer so you change the way you talk. you liek a chameleon |
| 16:10.27 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: a benevolent advice: think before you post |
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| 16:11.50 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, ingenious. |
| 16:12.07 | Estel_ | I would never get that idea myself. Thanks a lot! |
| 16:12.14 | DocScrutinizer | the way you're acting is the most evil way of trolling |
| 16:12.45 | Estel_ | freemangordon, I think You're overrating zog's impact, it's simply compliment for him, to tell that he is hurting community. |
| 16:13.09 | Estel_ | Long ago, I though abil is hurting it. Then, used ignoire button, and bah, just realized, that his impact is 0 |
| 16:13.48 | Estel_ | same apply for ZogG's posts, his impact on Community is 0(unless Doc is bored and actually pick up something, as worth commenting :P ) |
| 16:14.46 | Estel_ | it's just our emotions when we read this bullshit. When we stop doing so - which I've done today morning - it's becoming obvious, that others doesn't care about his "contributions in form of posts" too. |
| 16:14.47 | freemangordon | Estel_: I am done with that matter, won't lose any more time discussing it |
| 16:14.53 | freemangordon | have better thinks to do |
| 16:14.57 | Estel_ | absolutely wise |
| 16:15.07 | freemangordon | *things |
| 16:15.31 | Estel_ | a propos things, congratz on winning with fennec, it's stubborn beast |
| 16:16.04 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: you're free to ignore posts of supposed trolls on tmo. You're not free to listen to community based on that ignore list. simply declaring whole threads as trolling that doesn't matter to council won't pan out |
| 16:16.24 | freemangordon | wonders why hell he mistypes G in thinG every time for the last week |
| 16:16.48 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, in practice, Community have more common sense that You think it have :) |
| 16:17.16 | Estel_ | freemangordon, I know this - to this day, sometimes, I have problem with wr,itting "witch" instead of "which" |
| 16:17.26 | Estel_ | few years ago, it was every single damn time |
| 16:17.28 | DocScrutinizer | well, then why are you bitching like hell against my post describing the common sense way to handle stuff like that? |
| 16:17.32 | Estel_ | resulting in funny things |
| 16:18.15 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, cause You've formulated it as estabilished solution, not "I think it could be handled like that". And I'm not bitching. |
| 16:18.33 | DocScrutinizer | no, you're accusing me a liar |
| 16:18.49 | Estel_ | You just said it to people, who got problems with acknowledging fact that april is befor may, and now You expect them to understand, that it was just Your opinioin, not proven fact? |
| 16:18.54 | Estel_ | nope. |
| 16:19.01 | Estel_ | I never ever said You lied. |
| 16:19.04 | DocScrutinizer | and generally acting like a little child that wants to stop his children from looking under his bed |
| 16:19.21 | Estel_ | I said You made this "rule" for sake of answer, which is entirely true. It's Your idea to handle it. |
| 16:20.01 | Estel_ | I'm unable to follow Your logic with child wanting to stop childs, but whatever, it's generally not my problem (forum, not bed and child) |
| 16:20.06 | DocScrutinizer | yes,you said rule, and I have not mentioned any rule. That's your particular way of telling lies while accusing others for that |
| 16:20.24 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, see Your own quote |
| 16:20.30 | Estel_ | "and then they're supposed to" |
| 16:20.56 | Estel_ | sure, You haven't used word "rule", and I haven't used word "lie" (frankly, not even though about that, but, whatever...) |
| 16:20.59 | DocScrutinizer | well, council IS supposed to start a referendum when there's a noticeable demand for that in community |
| 16:21.03 | Estel_ | I understand Your intentions. |
| 16:21.25 | Estel_ | sure. thefre is demand in community for new maemo device, lest start referendum for it. |
| 16:21.57 | DocScrutinizer | there's NO demand for a referendum about new device - at least I haven't noticed |
| 16:22.02 | Estel_ | again, I understand Your intentions, but realization was fatal - You basically gave heroine to addicted trolls. |
| 16:22.13 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, want to check that? |
| 16:22.33 | DocScrutinizer | I don't think there's any use in continuing this conversaton |
| 16:22.41 | Estel_ | I'm sure we can make easily 200 votes for idiotic refferendum like "Council should ask Nokia to release source code of Maemo" |
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| 16:22.52 | Estel_ | yes, I agree. |
| 16:23.07 | Estel_ | so we end up agreeing to agree :) |
| 16:23.51 | Estel_ | and I swear that I won't tell lava croft to make referendum about removing doc from chanop :P |
| 16:23.55 | Estel_ | ok, ok, I' off |
| 16:23.58 | Estel_ | don't bite. |
| 16:24.14 | Estel_ | s/I'/I'm/ |
| 16:24.48 | NIN101 | omg |
| 16:25.28 | DocScrutinizer | a pity, with such a referendum I might finally stop caring about this chan as I basically stopped caring about tmo. I'm sure *some* users in here would appreciate that, esp when they need a chanop eventually. maybe we should give +o to everybody? |
| 16:25.54 | freemangordon | LOL |
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| 16:26.18 | ShadowJK | Ok, now the nexus7 pricing starts making sense. It's closer to 450E without subsidies and without monthly fees? |
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| 16:28.31 | ShadowJK | but it's wifi only, wtf is this |
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| 16:35.05 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: btw a refrendum about IRC is basically useless, since IRC is based on meritocracy and thus not directly governed by council |
| 16:35.36 | DocScrutinizer | council however *should* be based on democracy |
| 16:35.55 | DocScrutinizer | and actually not even the ruling entity, though elected |
| 16:37.39 | DocScrutinizer | on IRC it's a voluntary meritocracy, granted by chan owner imperator. |
| 16:38.04 | DocScrutinizer | and I got hijacked, so please stop those silly threats |
| 16:43.27 | kakashi__ | btw, i have a problem again! this time its the old n900 (broken usb) with this local battery seems to work fine, not with the genuine nokia battery |
| 16:46.42 | merlin1991 | contacts? |
| 16:46.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | kakashi__: that's strange |
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| 16:51.21 | kakashi__ | so in a way I found a new charger by spending 51 EUR on a dumb old n900 and waiting for 3 weeks :( |
| 16:52.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's too bad, esp considering you might find used N900 in good working condition for ~100EUR |
| 17:00.14 | kakashi__ | DocScrutinizer, well, you know the 50EUR that I thought I could save lured me to buying this on ebay :-( |
| 17:11.20 | ZogG_laptop | RST38h: have you seen it? Nokia closes all official shops in russia =) |
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| 18:09.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, I payed for 2 new ones, one used, got one for DDP, and one new I bought for ShadowJK |
| 18:11.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | so I got 4 devices now, 1 in quite perfect condition |
| 18:18.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack |
| 18:18.26 | infobot | DocScrutinizer51: :) |
| 18:29.10 | RiD | DocScrutinizer51 *paid. |
| 18:29.12 | RiD | feels superior |
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| 18:39.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | RiD: you *are* superior. By definition. At very least once in your life, at the very moment it begun ;-D |
| 18:40.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | first in a race of billions X-P |
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| 19:09.20 | RiD | DocScrutinizer51 those are very inspiring words. Now excuse me, I'm going to house tasks |
| 19:10.37 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
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| 19:45.55 | zeq | freemangordon: pong |
| 19:46.43 | freemangordon | zeq: check on github :P |
| 19:47.07 | zeq | that sounds like good news! |
| 19:48.31 | zeq | so working? understood? |
| 19:50.30 | zeq | I'm going to pull and give it a go! :) |
| 19:52.14 | freemangordon | works like charm |
| 19:52.23 | zeq | the new bit is in moziqwidget.h |
| 19:52.30 | freemangordon | yep |
| 19:52.38 | zeq | good spot |
| 19:52.46 | freemangordon | yep :D |
| 19:52.59 | zeq | :D |
| 19:53.18 | zeq | so what's up next ;) |
| 19:53.20 | zeq | ? |
| 19:54.18 | zeq | probabably give the keyboard handling code some of the same treatment? |
| 19:54.57 | zeq | freemangordon: I think it's probably best to get it working as intended before trying to adjust it to be more Maemo-ish |
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| 19:55.31 | freemangordon | agree |
| 19:55.46 | freemangordon | anyway, i'm off for dinner |
| 19:56.00 | zeq | good job though! enjoy your food! :) |
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| 20:58.17 | Sicelo | hmm, i am testing MfE on my N900 |
| 20:58.51 | merlin1991 | hm that *kinda* works for me |
| 20:59.57 | Sicelo | nothing at all happens after I enter my email address. no data at all is sent. not a single packet (according to wireshark). syslog says 'activesync .. pidfile was not created' |
| 21:00.02 | Sicelo | :/ |
| 21:03.44 | Sicelo | maybe i should try a reboot |
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| 21:07.24 | Sicelo | merlin1991: what's the actually mfe app .. i want to try via command line if possible |
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| 21:24.26 | merlin1991 | Sicelo: I typed all my stuff into the ui and then it semi works |
| 21:25.40 | Dr_I | fine Vr ofency on nokist time |
| 21:26.38 | Dr_I | good working-class on vr |
| 21:27.42 | Sicelo | the thing is .. the UI doesn't even attempt to send any packets. weird |
| 21:28.10 | DocScrutinizer | Dr_I: is that just me or is every single post of yours like a random selection of words and TLAs from dictionary? |
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| 21:29.14 | DocScrutinizer | Dr_I: I'm already about to conclude you're a poorly written script |
| 21:30.07 | Sicelo | i expect to get some connection attempt (even if i possibly have a non-supported server). in this case, nothing at all is sent. it's like the UI isn't even aware of the existence of a network connection |
| 21:30.42 | Sicelo | then again, the 'activesync .. pidfile was not' created makes me wonder if the actual binary is even able to run :/ |
| 21:30.44 | DocScrutinizer | anybody ever chatted with Dr_I ? a single meaningful word? |
| 21:31.44 | DocScrutinizer | Dr_I: last chance to utter some sensible thing to pass turing test, otherwise I'll +q you |
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| 21:34.00 | DocScrutinizer | Dr_I: ping me per /query if you decide to act like a human |
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| 21:35.08 | merlin1991 | Sicelo: afaic the active sync thingy is what mfe runs |
| 21:35.48 | Sicelo | http://paste.debian.net/177136/ .. that's the log |
| 21:35.53 | merlin1991 | Sicelo: also when I hit my email and pw settings and press the button to continue (don't remember exaclty, has been some time) it did complain a lot about bs like no valid chain for the server certificate, invalid login (typos) ... |
| 21:36.17 | merlin1991 | so there had to be some connectivity |
| 21:36.57 | Sicelo | i can see from tmo that the certificate stuff is known to have issues, but i won't even get that far, as MfE doesn't even attempt to contact any server |
| 21:37.10 | merlin1991 | Sicelo: I don't have my n900(s) here atm, but when I'm back in vienna (sunday night) I can investigate what should happen if you add the stuf |
| 21:37.31 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: do you have connectivity up during that process? |
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| 21:38.05 | Sicelo | yes DocScrutinizer. |
| 21:38.14 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, then I dunno |
| 21:38.28 | Sicelo | wireshark just remains silent the whole time |
| 21:38.48 | DocScrutinizer | tried strace? |
| 21:38.54 | Sicelo | nop. let me |
| 21:39.17 | Sicelo | but i might need some hand-holding there .. strace isn't a tool i'm so familiar with |
| 21:39.25 | DocScrutinizer | don't forget the -f ork option |
| 21:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | in the simplest form strace can either start a process (strace date) |
| 21:40.32 | DocScrutinizer | or attach to a running process (strace -p `pidof less`) |
| 21:40.55 | DocScrutinizer | -f (iirc) means "also follow child processes that might get forked" |
| 21:41.52 | DocScrutinizer | if nothing is given for a filter, szrace will simply trace *ALL* |
| 21:42.28 | DocScrutinizer | you might want to redirect the diagnostic output to a file, so you could analyze later (-o iirc) |
| 21:43.02 | DocScrutinizer | there's a nice terse howto on wiki.maemo.org |
| 21:43.59 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/strace |
| 21:47.43 | merlin1991 | oh god -o |
| 21:47.53 | merlin1991 | tried to use -o with wget one day wondering wtf went wrong |
| 21:48.02 | merlin1991 | untill I realized, wget has -o and -O |
| 21:48.20 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 21:48.37 | merlin1991 | -o redirects stdout, -O redirects file output |
| 21:48.45 | DocScrutinizer | I'm all but sure about -o of strace, pretty please look it up in strace --help or man strace |
| 21:49.09 | merlin1991 | (for wget that is) |
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| 21:51.20 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: one catch about strace is: all file operations (you know *unix* almost all is a file) are against filehandles which are numeric. You have to look up the open() call that associates the filehandle to a real useful path and filename |
| 21:51.37 | Sicelo | chmod 666 /var/lock/as-daemon.pid seems to be getting me somewhere :P |
| 21:51.52 | Sicelo | indeed, now i'm on next screen ;) |
| 21:52.08 | DocScrutinizer | stale lock? just delete it |
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| 21:55.26 | DocScrutinizer | btw it might be interesting to do `cat /var/lock/as-daemon.pid` |
| 21:55.50 | DocScrutinizer | and ps | grep `cat /var/lock/as-daemon.pid` |
| 21:56.23 | DocScrutinizer | and wtf is as-daemon anyway? :-D |
| 21:57.30 | Sicelo | active sync daemon :P |
| 21:57.38 | DocScrutinizer | aaaah :-D |
| 21:58.20 | RiD | also known as A W E O |
| 21:58.51 | DocScrutinizer | so a potential explanation is simple: as-daemon stalled for some reason, and left a stale lockfile /var/lock/as-daemon.pid. This made any subsequent startup of same daemon abort and fail |
| 22:01.14 | DocScrutinizer | t900:~# ps | grep `cat /var/lock/as-daemon.pid` |
| 22:01.16 | DocScrutinizer | 20804 user 24392 S /usr/sbin/as-daemon -D --pidfile=/var/lock/as-daemon. |
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| 22:31.39 | freemangordon | zeq: did you try it? |
| 22:37.11 | zeq | freemangordon: yes, it worked well :) |
| 22:37.40 | zeq | we'll have to let romaxa know |
| 22:37.52 | freemangordon | good. zeq, I found a problem with your zoom functionality, it does not reflow the text |
| 22:37.55 | freemangordon | I told him |
| 22:38.02 | zeq | ah good! |
| 22:38.14 | freemangordon | he was not impressed :D |
| 22:38.22 | zeq | lol |
| 22:38.31 | zeq | why? |
| 22:38.39 | zeq | not the correct solution? |
| 22:38.47 | freemangordon | [19:34] <freemangordon> romaxa: orientation change support for maemo5 is fixed now, most probably either me or zeq will file a bug (with patch). On the other hand I tried GLES support, it works, but spits some errors (couldn't create EGL image: ERROR (0x300c)) and is slower than without it. I suppose GLES support is still not finished. |
| 22:39.05 | freemangordon | [20:34] <romaxa> freemangordonÐ: hmmm possibly.. EGLImage might not work, but there are definitely works simple TFP bindImage to X surface... also thebesLayers tiled version need to be enabled when it is ready for IPC version, that should make it works just great |
| 22:39.05 | freemangordon | [20:34] <romaxa> freemangordon: also in order to remove that error you can try to set in GLContextProviderEGL.cpp gUseBackingSurface = false |
| 22:39.31 | nox- | http://serverfault.com/questions/403732/anyone-else-experiencing-high-rates-of-linux-server-crashes-today |
| 22:39.37 | freemangordon | zeq: BTW we are NOT using HW acceleration |
| 22:40.04 | zeq | good potential for more speedups then |
| 22:40.33 | zeq | as for the zoom, it's a bug/feature in the mozilla code |
| 22:40.34 | freemangordon | well, not unless romaxa (or some other GL guru) helps |
| 22:40.46 | zeq | I just enabled the buttons |
| 22:40.52 | freemangordon | zeq: but it works on double-click |
| 22:41.00 | freemangordon | (ther is an option for that) |
| 22:41.28 | zeq | I guess it's different functionality. I can't remember what the old gtk version did |
| 22:41.59 | freemangordon | whatever, without text reflow, zoom is unusable in portrait |
| 22:42.04 | freemangordon | AIUI |
| 22:42.49 | zeq | I did look through the code for where the keybindings are for zoom, but couldn't find them |
| 22:43.10 | zeq | I don't know if there is some other zoom mode that could be hooked up |
| 22:43.39 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: what's the bottom line? |
| 22:43.48 | freemangordon | i am grepping for OnMouseDoubleClickEvent through the whole code right now, there should be some function called that reflows |
| 22:44.04 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, ntp vs leap second vs kernel bug apparently |
| 22:44.14 | zeq | freemangordon: that's what I was thinking |
| 22:44.15 | nox- | ntpd |
| 22:44.17 | DocScrutinizer | haha, leap second |
| 22:44.25 | DocScrutinizer | great! |
| 22:44.29 | nox- | indeed |
| 22:44.36 | nox- | glad he uses freebsd for this |
| 22:45.02 | zeq | freemangordon: I'm going to have to head to bed soon... |
| 22:45.04 | DocScrutinizer | I could easily see ntpd et al crashing on 02:00:60 |
| 22:45.22 | freemangordon | zeq: np, i will look at it |
| 22:45.48 | zeq | did romaxa's comments about gles make any sense to you at all? |
| 22:45.59 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, yeah but it seemed to take the kernel with it |
| 22:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | also the leap-second announce flag in services like DCF77 is a rarely used and thus untested feature |
| 22:46.30 | freemangordon | zeq: partially. i tried his suggestions, no difference. and with enabled hw acceleration fennec crashes every now and then |
| 22:47.05 | zeq | egl acceleration or render..? |
| 22:47.15 | freemangordon | yep |
| 22:47.20 | freemangordon | render |
| 22:47.29 | zeq | no faster? |
| 22:47.34 | nox- | quote: This is caused by a livelock when ntpd calls adjtimex(2) to tell the kernel to insert a leap second. |
| 22:47.47 | freemangordon | well, it peaks at about 38 fps, but stutters |
| 22:48.17 | zeq | freemangordon: what do we get without? |
| 22:48.23 | freemangordon | (there is an option in about:config to enable HW acceleration and fps print) |
| 22:48.30 | zeq | ok |
| 22:48.38 | freemangordon | zeq: rephrase please |
| 22:48.53 | zeq | fps without hw accel |
| 22:49.09 | freemangordon | no idea, it works only when HA accel is enabled |
| 22:49.14 | freemangordon | *HW |
| 22:49.52 | zeq | the instability could be coming from anywhere |
| 22:49.57 | freemangordon | [21:06] <freemangordon> romaxa: actually the fps goes up to 34-36 from time to time, but the whole thing stutters |
| 22:49.58 | freemangordon | [21:07] <freemangordon> romaxa: thanks |
| 22:49.58 | freemangordon | [21:07] <romaxa> freemangordon: yep it is becasue slow GL upload |
| 22:50.13 | freemangordon | whatever it means |
| 22:50.56 | zeq | it can't be uploading on each character? |
| 22:51.29 | freemangordon | nnah, i suspect that means that texture upload is slow |
| 22:51.46 | freemangordon | from memory to GPU |
| 22:51.55 | zeq | he could be right. I've no idea how good it is. |
| 22:52.08 | freemangordon | NFC actually, GL is a mistery for me for most of its part |
| 22:52.46 | freemangordon | well, maybe if we pester romaxa often enough he will finally take a look at it :) |
| 22:53.15 | zeq | you never know.. he did say he *might* set up a maemo sdk and give it a try |
| 22:53.28 | freemangordon | zeq: but better you do it, I am famous with my diplomatic skills :D |
| 22:53.37 | zeq | :) |
| 22:54.21 | zeq | freemangordon: I'm off to bed now, catch you tomorrow? |
| 22:54.23 | freemangordon | anyway, I think the first set of patches should be ready once I fix that text reflow issue |
| 22:54.28 | freemangordon | sure |
| 22:55.08 | zeq | A working set of patches has got to help our chances of getting some help :) |
| 22:55.16 | freemangordon | yep |
| 22:56.10 | freemangordon | seems there are lots of GLES gurus on mizzila bugtracker |
| 22:56.15 | freemangordon | *mozilla |
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| 23:04.58 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: thanks |
| 23:05.04 | nox- | np |
| 23:12.25 | ShadowJK | Anyone want to buy a Sandisk microsdhc 32gigabyte class 4? :-) |
| 23:16.10 | SpeedEvil | Is this the one approaching 1iops in some tests? |
| 23:16.50 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 23:17.59 | ShadowJK | 4 threads sequential write 4M block size: 8 meg/sec |
| 23:20.35 | DocScrutinizer | is sandisk not what sandisk used to be, anymore? |
| 23:20.42 | ShadowJK | seems so |
| 23:21.09 | ShadowJK | But also the capacity difference might be significant factor |
| 23:21.21 | DocScrutinizer | or is this one of the fake sandisk chinese counterfeits |
| 23:21.36 | ShadowJK | I've benchmarked the old C2 and C4 sandisks at 8G capacity, and this is new C4 at 32G |
| 23:21.48 | DocScrutinizer | maybe even a 4GB one that just tells "hey I'm 32" |
| 23:22.07 | ShadowJK | Well, the manfid etc check out, and the controller is new, because it actually reports a "preferred erase size" |
| 23:22.18 | ShadowJK | (of 4M) |
| 23:22.49 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, we've seen such things for USB sticks a lot |
| 23:22.53 | DocScrutinizer | some years ago |
| 23:23.30 | DocScrutinizer | wouldn't know why they can't do same thing for uSD |
| 23:23.47 | ShadowJK | random read speed peaks at 18M/sec for large block sizes, and seems mostly limited by command overhead when going towards smaller block sizes |
| 23:24.32 | ShadowJK | bought from a "real", established webstore, not ebay or dealextreme :P |
| 23:24.55 | DocScrutinizer | hmm chumby or what's been the name also did |
| 23:25.08 | ShadowJK | No they bought Kingston |
| 23:25.15 | DocScrutinizer | aaah yes, maybe |
| 23:25.21 | ShadowJK | Kingston itself buys random crap and rebrands it |
| 23:26.22 | DocScrutinizer | well, on his investigations he found some fake cards anyway, not sure if all were kingston, iirc they were sandisk (who woulld fake kingston anyway?) |
| 23:27.02 | DocScrutinizer | seems to recall incorrect SD logo |
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| 23:27.21 | DocScrutinizer | with that gap in the "D" |
| 23:28.13 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918 |
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| 23:28.39 | DocScrutinizer | meh, kingston indeed |
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