| 00:00.08 | Estel_ | You own it mentally? |
| 00:00.22 | RiD | Erm. The game is activated with the serial and so on |
| 00:00.26 | Estel_ | I know it. I feel like owning dizzy collection from amiga |
| 00:00.28 | Estel_ | I know, I know :P |
| 00:00.39 | RiD | but since i don't own the disc, I am trying to get a iso / mds working |
| 00:00.51 | Estel_ | I tell you, just screw games with securom. At worst, pirate them, as securom is criminal attack on your rights. |
| 00:00.55 | Estel_ | At best, ignore them as whole |
| 00:01.03 | RiD | I had it pirated. Then bought it for 0$ |
| 00:01.22 | Estel_ | tell us more about buying game with secxurom for 0 usd |
| 00:01.26 | RiD | now i'm trying to fool securom into thinking my virtual disc is physic for real |
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| 00:01.43 | Estel_ | run it under linux with wine. problem solved |
| 00:01.50 | RiD | but no multiplayer! |
| 00:02.01 | Estel_ | why so? |
| 00:02.10 | RiD | because it needs securom :( |
| 00:02.20 | Estel_ | so download cracked version, if youre piratting it anyway |
| 00:02.26 | Estel_ | or mvoe to better games |
| 00:02.29 | Estel_ | move* |
| 00:02.50 | RiD | I've been playing this game cracked since 2009 or so. |
| 00:02.58 | Estel_ | You know how many FOSS games with great details etc are out there waiting for You?:P |
| 00:03.04 | RiD | But I recently got a legit serial key that validated and all. |
| 00:03.06 | Estel_ | so continue to do, if you really bought it |
| 00:03.15 | RiD | But i never owned it physically. I want to try multiplayer |
| 00:03.16 | Estel_ | You see? being legal only bring troubles |
| 00:03.24 | RiD | That's why I barely have any physical game |
| 00:03.32 | Estel_ | burn images on real disc |
| 00:03.35 | Estel_ | use them |
| 00:03.38 | Estel_ | with Your legal serial |
| 00:03.41 | Estel_ | problem solved. |
| 00:03.42 | RiD | It needs specific settings |
| 00:03.44 | RiD | i guess |
| 00:03.56 | RiD | i can't get the DPM right |
| 00:04.02 | Estel_ | *headdesk* |
| 00:04.05 | RST38h | yawns, wonders what this conversation is about |
| 00:04.08 | Estel_ | no idea, search in google for it |
| 00:04.18 | Estel_ | RST38h, we jsut ended about cooking N900 in 250 C in oven |
| 00:04.24 | Macer | wow |
| 00:04.26 | Estel_ | and popcorning chips |
| 00:04.28 | Macer | final fantasy for wp7 :) |
| 00:04.30 | Macer | win! |
| 00:04.33 | Estel_ | wleh |
| 00:04.38 | Estel_ | hate thos mangas |
| 00:04.43 | nox- | not a gamer but this reminds me of http://www.geekologie.com/image.php?path=/2010/02/25/piracy-full.jpg |
| 00:04.49 | Macer | hey! show ff some respect! |
| 00:05.14 | RiD | conflict again! |
| 00:05.16 | RiD | damn :( |
| 00:05.53 | Estel_ | hjahahahhaa |
| 00:06.00 | Estel_ | nox-, brillant |
| 00:06.04 | Estel_ | especially, that it's true |
| 00:06.10 | Estel_ | dissasemble of matrix dvd :P |
| 00:06.17 | Estel_ | it really looked this way IIRC |
| 00:06.22 | RiD | i think I found a good fix |
| 00:06.28 | RiD | at least it works as per 17/08/2011 |
| 00:06.29 | Estel_ | Rid, throwin it out of window? |
| 00:06.38 | RiD | since the game was in 2008 or so, there should be no issue |
| 00:06.43 | RiD | No, it involves throwing out the desk |
| 00:06.44 | RiD | not window |
| 00:06.48 | RiD | I'll try it tomorrow. See you all |
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| 04:49.27 | zeq | freemangordon: qt4 built fine with 4.6.3 |
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| 06:05.42 | zeq | qt seems to work fine too :) |
| 06:07.02 | freemangordon | zeq: I am going to "almost working" stuff, NFC why, but you should rotate twice in order the contene to be redrawn :( |
| 06:07.09 | freemangordon | *content |
| 06:07.25 | freemangordon | is still having his coffee |
| 06:07.39 | freemangordon | so, I am going to commit ... |
| 06:09.58 | zeq | this is based on the bitmap rotation code or h-d rotation? |
| 06:10.22 | freemangordon | h-d |
| 06:10.35 | zeq | cool :) |
| 06:10.56 | freemangordon | all maemo6 stuff is #ifdef'ed |
| 06:11.17 | zeq | so it's not picking up on the rotation notification? |
| 06:11.26 | freemangordon | it is |
| 06:11.36 | zeq | only every other time? |
| 06:12.44 | freemangordon | no, the notification is pcked up every ti, but the following "resize" not, it seems some more code is needed |
| 06:13.11 | zeq | strange |
| 06:13.25 | freemangordon | really |
| 06:13.49 | freemangordon | but it has something to do with Qt, will need some forther investigation |
| 06:14.10 | freemangordon | *further |
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| 06:14.34 | zeq | I'll take a look once it's pushed |
| 06:14.43 | freemangordon | ok, gimme a minute |
| 06:15.14 | freemangordon | BTW what is strange is that it rotetes even when blacklisted |
| 06:15.44 | freemangordon | and there is no setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation, true); |
| 06:17.09 | zeq | ? |
| 06:17.29 | freemangordon | ok, pushed to master |
| 06:17.33 | zeq | that shouldn't happen! |
| 06:17.42 | freemangordon | zeq: I know |
| 06:18.05 | zeq | I'll get it built and have a look |
| 06:18.35 | zeq | is the debian/rules setup to just work now? |
| 06:18.42 | freemangordon | you'll have to fetch from master to maemo5 branch |
| 06:18.51 | zeq | ok |
| 06:19.06 | freemangordon | yep, debian/rules should work, but there are in maemo5 |
| 06:19.23 | freemangordon | *it is |
| 06:19.31 | zeq | yup ok |
| 06:19.42 | freemangordon | Am I sleepy, heh :) |
| 06:21.07 | zeq | what time is it there? |
| 06:21.32 | freemangordon | 9:20 |
| 06:21.58 | zeq | 07:20 here :) |
| 06:22.23 | zeq | been up since 05:30, breakfast duty |
| 06:22.29 | freemangordon | it is just very hard to wake me up |
| 06:22.48 | freemangordon | not that it is early morning |
| 06:26.28 | zeq | I think I'll get scratchbox running on the server before starting building |
| 06:29.29 | zeq | I'll take a look at the code while scratchbox installs... |
| 06:30.57 | freemangordon | ok. btw I think I found why it rotates when it should not, there is a second process (plugin-container) and it is not blacklisted |
| 06:31.08 | zeq | ah |
| 06:32.11 | freemangordon | no, it is not that :( |
| 06:32.33 | freemangordon | actually the sidebars are ok, just the content (the one in the middle) |
| 06:35.08 | zeq | changes look good |
| 06:36.09 | freemangordon | WTF? blacklisting fennec insted of Fennc fices the things. Hooray |
| 06:36.21 | freemangordon | *fennec instead of Fennec |
| 06:36.49 | freemangordon | but why it rotates in the first place? |
| 06:36.57 | zeq | LOL |
| 06:37.14 | zeq | so you've made it not rotate? |
| 06:37.15 | freemangordon | could be something with Qt in CSSU |
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| 06:37.43 | freemangordon | i blacklisted it, and now it behaves correctly every time |
| 06:37.57 | freemangordon | and rotates as it should |
| 06:38.22 | zeq | I'm confused |
| 06:38.52 | freemangordon | no, it is not :(. damn, cannot figure out what triggers correct behaviour. |
| 06:40.08 | zeq | maybe put it in some debugging output? |
| 06:40.38 | freemangordon | don't have tim enow, gtg t work in a couple of minutes |
| 06:40.42 | zeq | I need to test it to understand what's happening |
| 06:41.17 | zeq | ok. I'll see what I can do. |
| 06:42.07 | zeq | see you later :) |
| 06:42.09 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 06:42.13 | freemangordon | bb |
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| 08:41.28 | freemangordon | zeq: any aprticular reason to use Qt backeng instead of GTK? |
| 08:41.33 | freemangordon | *backend |
| 08:43.06 | zeq | freemangordon: it's supposed to be much faster, and is now one of only two official fennec backends. |
| 08:43.31 | zeq | gtk is still there but it's no longer supported |
| 08:43.53 | zeq | that's why Mozilla dropped fennec for Maemo |
| 08:44.01 | freemangordon | faster? |
| 08:44.16 | zeq | hw accelerated rendering |
| 08:44.20 | freemangordon | hmm, linking with gtk2 backen, lets see if it will run |
| 08:44.26 | zeq | ok |
| 08:44.49 | freemangordon | but gtk on maem05 has all the hw acceleraed rendering you may wish |
| 08:45.00 | freemangordon | AFAIK |
| 08:45.21 | freemangordon | it is the same one microb is using |
| 08:45.34 | freemangordon | and it IS fast |
| 08:45.50 | zeq | yeah, I don't know the rationale for fennec dropping gtk |
| 08:46.12 | zeq | too many backends to maintain? |
| 08:46.16 | freemangordon | outdated? |
| 08:46.23 | freemangordon | as it is gtk2 |
| 08:46.27 | zeq | it's still the default for firefox afaik |
| 08:46.39 | zeq | definitely outdated |
| 08:47.37 | freemangordon | well, lets see. Did you look why the hell Qt one behave strangely? |
| 08:47.41 | zeq | I was reading the Qt examples for Hildon integration, it doesn't look that difficult to hook up. |
| 08:47.53 | freemangordon | yep, it is not |
| 08:48.15 | freemangordon | actually it should work oob |
| 08:48.39 | zeq | It's taking a while to back up my scratchbox, I forgot to unmount the bind mounts first! |
| 08:48.53 | zeq | (moving to my server) |
| 08:48.55 | freemangordon | :D |
| 08:49.18 | zeq | oops |
| 08:49.32 | zeq | I did wonder why it was taking so long |
| 08:50.59 | zeq | I noticed that a #ifdef MOZ_X11 got #ifdef'd out by the maemo5 block in the resize function |
| 08:51.20 | freemangordon | yep |
| 08:51.26 | zeq | deliberate? |
| 08:51.40 | freemangordon | yes, but lemme check |
| 08:52.21 | freemangordon | that code is used for _MEEGOTOUCH_ORIENTATION_ANGLE |
| 08:52.34 | freemangordon | we deffinitely don't need it |
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| 08:53.34 | zeq | if that's all it was, strange it was MOZ_X11, unless it's abused somewhere else |
| 08:54.03 | freemangordon | NFC, that code is like spaghetti |
| 08:54.27 | freemangordon | ok, gtk2 .deb ready, lets see how it will behave |
| 08:54.32 | zeq | it's a wonder it works :P |
| 08:54.39 | zeq | ok |
| 08:57.31 | zeq | coffee |
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| 09:07.18 | freemangordon_ | damn, cannot connect remotely to may desktop anymore :-( |
| 09:07.42 | freemangordon_ | otherwise gtk fennec works like charm. but is slow :-D |
| 09:07.57 | zeq | slow, figures |
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| 09:08.17 | freemangordon_ | it is VERY slow |
| 09:08.23 | zeq | LOL |
| 09:08.28 | zeq | oh well |
| 09:08.33 | freemangordon_ | hmm, seems my desktop appeared |
| 09:08.45 | zeq | that's good! |
| 09:08.53 | freemangordon | yes, it is here |
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| 09:09.02 | zeq | I wonder why it is so slow |
| 09:09.19 | freemangordon | maybe mozconfig options are incorrect |
| 09:09.24 | zeq | Firefox is pretty quick lately |
| 09:09.44 | zeq | I think it's an architectural thing |
| 09:09.58 | freemangordon | I think we shloud do wthat we can to use gtk, it uses 2-3 times less memory than qt version |
| 09:10.14 | zeq | firefox doesn't really use much gtk anymore afaik |
| 09:10.22 | zeq | mostly bypasses it |
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| 09:10.58 | zeq | just creates the window and widgets, but then uses other APIs |
| 09:10.58 | freemangordon | anyway, I am back to work, bbl |
| 09:11.19 | zeq | ok, have fun |
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| 09:31.07 | zeq | freemangordon: I'm seeking advice from mozilla devs regarding what to do. |
| 09:33.50 | qwazix | performance difference between android xul version / native gui, and fennec / microb suggests the hog maybe xulrunner. How hard would it be to cook up a native qt interface? |
| 09:34.32 | qwazix | If i am not mistaken opera uses qt for interface too |
| 09:35.11 | zeq | qwazix: that's what we've been doing, but it seems the qtwidget uses much more memory |
| 09:35.27 | zeq | it is fast though |
| 09:35.46 | qwazix | Oh sorry, thought that it was just xul running over qt |
| 09:36.28 | zeq | qwazix: well, yes it is, but that's how mozilla browsers work, or am I missing something? |
| 09:36.44 | zeq | it's an accelerated xul engine |
| 09:37.37 | zeq | as is the android port. I could well be missing something... |
| 09:37.38 | qwazix | Check out v14 on android. They got rid of xul altogether I think, and there is native java dalvik ui, suspect something microb (although microb does still use xul for some windows - addons etc) |
| 09:38.13 | zeq | qwazix: you could well be right |
| 09:38.18 | zeq | hang on |
| 09:38.23 | qwazix | https://wiki.mozilla.org/Fennec/NativeUI |
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| 09:38.48 | zeq | yup you are |
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| 09:39.08 | zeq | that said the qt xul widget is fast |
| 09:39.42 | qwazix | http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/native-overview1.png |
| 09:40.33 | zeq | qwazix: we kind of do already have a native port ofc, microb |
| 09:41.39 | qwazix | maybe that's why microb is faster even with the aging 1.9 gecko |
| 09:42.19 | zeq | the tricky part is updating the engine, since we don't have all the sources |
| 09:42.34 | qwazix | if microb's ui was open it would be the end of all our troubles. The N8xx microb is fully open AFAIK |
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| 09:43.20 | zeq | I don't suppose it exposes the same interface...? |
| 09:44.02 | SpeedEvil | qwazix: Maybe we could kick in some cash for it. I've got 28 pence. That should buy a substantial part of nokia these days. |
| 09:44.05 | qwazix | Don't know really |
| 09:44.30 | qwazix | SpeedEvil: haha, add 2eur from me too |
| 09:44.47 | zeq | SpeedEvil: I think you're onto something :) |
| 09:51.25 | freemangordon | going to try it with --enable-egl-xrender-composite |
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| 09:54.26 | zeq | freemangordon: ok, sounds fast :) |
| 09:54.41 | freemangordon | :) |
| 09:57.20 | zeq | btw I asked on the mozilla mobile dev channel about it, they suggested I wait 8hr for romaxa to wake up |
| 09:57.28 | freemangordon | :) |
| 09:57.29 | zeq | :) |
| 09:57.45 | vi__ | is /tmp on maemo just a regular directory on rootfs (n900)? |
| 09:59.05 | chem|st | tmpfs on /tmp |
| 09:59.09 | freemangordon | yep |
| 09:59.14 | SpeedEvil | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# df |
| 09:59.14 | SpeedEvil | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 09:59.14 | SpeedEvil | rootfs 233344 149788 79272 65% / |
| 09:59.14 | SpeedEvil | ubi0:rootfs 233344 149788 79272 65% / |
| 09:59.14 | SpeedEvil | tmpfs 1024 76 948 7% /tmp |
| 09:59.46 | vi__ | So it would be safe to delete /tmp and replace it with a symlink to /opt/tmp? |
| 09:59.52 | vi__ | This would survive reboots? |
| 10:00.31 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it - tmpfs in the above example is using (about) 76K of RAM |
| 10:00.35 | SpeedEvil | that's questionable |
| 10:00.35 | chem|st | vi__: tmpfs is ramdisk |
| 10:01.00 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if symlinks will work |
| 10:01.03 | vi__ | how odd. |
| 10:01.10 | chem|st | vi__: so no it is not, to answere your question |
| 10:01.23 | kerio | why would you want to preserve /tmp :S |
| 10:01.28 | ruskie | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/06/what-do-we-now-know-after-nokias-latest-profit-warning-layoffs-the-titanic-deck-chairs-moment.html |
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| 10:01.46 | vi__ | I do not, but some scripts, programs etc dump lots of data in tmp. |
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| 10:07.07 | japh | dumps vi__ in /tmp. |
| 10:08.50 | vi__ | japh: whaa....? |
| 10:09.24 | StyXman | jargon-: reboot, fast! |
| 10:09.34 | StyXman | errr |
| 10:09.38 | SpeedEvil | ruskie: Just a teeny step above accusing him of molesting ducks. |
| 10:09.45 | StyXman | japh: ^^^^^^ |
| 10:09.59 | SpeedEvil | ruskie: Not that I don't agree |
| 10:10.25 | japh | vi__, hi! you know that n950 I wanted to sell |
| 10:10.52 | vi__ | Yeah? |
| 10:11.37 | japh | I'm still having issues with navigating the thing, I think there's something wrong with my fingers and not the phone, but other than that I've started to like it a lot. I'm glad I didn't just throw it away like I was going to do ... |
| 10:11.55 | vi__ | heh |
| 10:12.11 | vi__ | japh: one sold on ebay in the last month for £920 GBP |
| 10:12.33 | japh | What?? |
| 10:12.38 | vi__ | That is around 1150 euros. |
| 10:12.44 | japh | oh dear that's insane |
| 10:13.00 | vi__ | japh: that is how insanely rare they are. |
| 10:14.05 | vi__ | you could even sell abroken one for a couple of hundreds. |
| 10:14.06 | japh | I read an article on one of the maemo/meego news sites yesterday that nokia was going to hand out a bunch of n9{,50}s this summer? |
| 10:14.15 | vi__ | Oh wow. |
| 10:14.21 | japh | I'm not really seeing why they would do that since I thought they had left us to rot |
| 10:14.26 | vi__ | You do not keep up with TMO do you? |
| 10:14.29 | japh | TMO? |
| 10:14.35 | vi__ | talk.maemo.org |
| 10:14.39 | japh | no |
| 10:14.40 | SpeedEvil | japh: yesterday? |
| 10:14.45 | vi__ | The main forum for maemo. |
| 10:14.49 | SpeedEvil | there was a recent round of giveaways |
| 10:14.57 | vi__ | People there would trade you their left nut for that n950. |
| 10:15.01 | japh | lol |
| 10:15.11 | japh | I'm not that fond of forums, I prefer mail |
| 10:15.31 | vi__ | There is so much rage and butthurt WRT people who did not win you can almost cut it. |
| 10:15.45 | japh | hah |
| 10:16.20 | japh | I'd wanted the n950 since I first read about it but I gave it up when I realized this wasn't something I could buy for money |
| 10:16.54 | vi__ | Fortunatley, I was awarded one. |
| 10:16.59 | japh | and then all of a sudden when I was thinking about if I should go grab that damn n9 anyway, despite it not having a keyboard, someone came along 'hey want this?' |
| 10:17.00 | vi__ | It was controversial. |
| 10:17.09 | japh | are you a dev? |
| 10:17.15 | vi__ | nope. |
| 10:17.20 | japh | or was it your charm? |
| 10:17.21 | vi__ | maybe. |
| 10:17.25 | vi__ | what is a dev? |
| 10:17.35 | SpeedEvil | dreams of a world in which nokia decides to release specs for all of its non-lumia handsets, and enable community dev. |
| 10:17.50 | vi__ | drools at speedevils phantasm. |
| 10:17.51 | japh | a special character |
| 10:17.58 | vi__ | heh. |
| 10:18.13 | vi__ | I have been hanging around the forum daily for ~ 2 years now. |
| 10:18.22 | vi__ | I generally fix peoples problems. |
| 10:18.24 | vi__ | troll. |
| 10:18.26 | Hurrian | japh, nokia's currently handing them out right now. |
| 10:18.30 | vi__ | write scripts. |
| 10:18.30 | japh | you're a fixer! |
| 10:18.33 | vi__ | troll. |
| 10:18.40 | vi__ | push fremantle as far as it can go. |
| 10:18.42 | japh | hurrian, okay. surely not to me |
| 10:18.43 | vi__ | troll. |
| 10:18.47 | japh | .oO(or should I try?) |
| 10:19.15 | vi__ | japh: you are too late. |
| 10:19.44 | japh | that's what the girls always say :( |
| 10:20.20 | Hurrian | vi__, apparently the fires have spread all over the forum c/o certain characters |
| 10:20.36 | japh | well what do you think, is the n9 even worth not having a real keyboard, or should I instead buy more n900's like I was going to in the first place? |
| 10:20.43 | Hurrian | japh, moar N900s |
| 10:20.47 | japh | yeah |
| 10:20.50 | japh | really love this device. |
| 10:20.53 | vi__ | MOAR N900s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:20.57 | japh | I just wish it had 2 x ram |
| 10:21.16 | Hurrian | japh, compcache and 805MHz fixes most lack-of-ram problems |
| 10:21.18 | vi__ | Hurrian: It would be fine if 1 member of the council could to learn to keep his fucking outh shut sometimes. |
| 10:21.39 | japh | please don't laugh but I haven't overclocked my device |
| 10:21.41 | Hurrian | other than that, you can't really expect to run crazy shit quickly on the phone |
| 10:21.42 | chem|st | japh: they are working on thumb2 alternatives which frees some ram |
| 10:21.52 | AliasXZ|aw | about the ram, i have swap on microsd only, seems to of improved performance quite a bit |
| 10:22.09 | japh | I tried for 2 hours getting that damn sd card into the phone |
| 10:22.17 | japh | again - my fingers are not compatible |
| 10:22.27 | SpeedEvil | 2 hours? |
| 10:22.28 | chem|st | hehe |
| 10:22.36 | Hurrian | whoa |
| 10:22.37 | vi__ | you tried to fit a SD card into a uSD slot? |
| 10:22.37 | SpeedEvil | I'm pretty sure I could do it with my nose in that time. |
| 10:22.38 | japh | it's insanely small!! |
| 10:22.46 | japh | vi__, :p |
| 10:22.47 | japh | no |
| 10:22.58 | japh | speedevil, great, come on over |
| 10:23.03 | Hurrian | japh, you probably literally have sausage fingers |
| 10:23.07 | japh | I can let you touch my n950 |
| 10:23.09 | vi__ | japh: that means you have one of the first n950s. The prototypes. |
| 10:23.11 | japh | hurrian, yes |
| 10:23.17 | SpeedEvil | Actually - I'm wrong. |
| 10:23.19 | chem|st | can I have a video of the nose part? |
| 10:23.21 | japh | vi__, o.o |
| 10:23.24 | SpeedEvil | I can't push the slider over with my nose |
| 10:23.47 | vi__ | AFAIK the first n950s had a uSD slot and a 12MP camera. |
| 10:23.47 | japh | vi__, no, I tried to get the microsd card into my n900 |
| 10:23.56 | japh | mhm... |
| 10:24.03 | vi__ | later they had none+8MP camera. |
| 10:24.05 | japh | so are there 2 models? I haven't seen that |
| 10:24.08 | japh | hmmm |
| 10:24.28 | japh | what I've read however is that there's supposed to be an fm transmitter, but I for sure can not find it |
| 10:24.29 | SpeedEvil | My n950 has a 18MP camera*. |
| 10:24.30 | Hurrian | vi__, that was the Jessie's Girl N950, right? |
| 10:24.32 | Hurrian | the silver one? |
| 10:24.33 | SpeedEvil | *(may be a lie) |
| 10:24.41 | chem|st | vi__: it was discussed that 8MP/ws must be 12MP 4:3.... |
| 10:24.51 | vi__ | japh: o0 Maybe you should seek medial attention if you cannot manipulate somthing like an uSD card. |
| 10:25.02 | japh | :( |
| 10:25.17 | Hurrian | japh, it's said that they have fm chips, just missing antennas iirc |
| 10:25.35 | vi__ | chem|st: yeah, so the hardware is capabale of 12MP but it is crippled in software. |
| 10:25.41 | japh | hurrian, hms :s |
| 10:25.46 | vi__ | ? |
| 10:27.35 | japh | what's the leasy sucky alternative to the n9xx's if we're looking at nonnokia stuff? I guess there's still nothing that plays in the same league? |
| 10:27.46 | japh | I've learned that android I do not want |
| 10:27.47 | vi__ | japh, nothing. |
| 10:27.53 | Hurrian | japh, lol |
| 10:28.11 | Hurrian | all the keyboard droids suck |
| 10:28.32 | japh | you know what $vendors seem to focus on is new shiny wallpapers |
| 10:28.37 | japh | I don't want wallpapers. |
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| 10:28.41 | vi__ | My eyes were opened to android when I asked My friend tp play a video on a uSD card from my video camera. |
| 10:28.43 | japh | I want my terminal and a keyboard |
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| 10:29.01 | vi__ | First he had to reboot the device to put the uSD in the phone. |
| 10:29.17 | Hurrian | vi__, yep, vold is fucked up |
| 10:29.19 | japh | it's a bit like for every new ubuntu release. The number one most important change is new theme, new font or new wallpapers |
| 10:29.27 | vi__ | Then spent the next 20 minutes trying to find a 'mediaplayer' that would work. |
| 10:29.29 | japh | hehe |
| 10:30.09 | vi__ | Pro this, lite that; they were all shit and had adverts on them. |
| 10:30.13 | japh | oh man I almost started crying yesterday when I found someone had been kind enough to build mplayer for n950 |
| 10:30.16 | japh | I was about to give up |
| 10:30.21 | vi__ | What a squalid arse train. |
| 10:30.35 | Hurrian | the android media scanner is the only indexer more broken than tracker on the N900 |
| 10:30.55 | vi__ | Why does everyone rag on tracker? |
| 10:31.02 | vi__ | It works fine! |
| 10:31.12 | japh | is it that damn thing that's like locate? |
| 10:31.44 | vi__ | japh: tracker indexes all the media on the N900. |
| 10:31.51 | Hurrian | vi__, it simply needs to be able to incrementally update indexes |
| 10:32.11 | Hurrian | 100% CPU for a few minutes is not acceptable |
| 10:32.13 | vi__ | Hurrian: It does. |
| 10:32.34 | japh | hmm. right. |
| 10:32.38 | japh | not sure why I'd ever need that |
| 10:32.49 | zeq | freemangordon: finally got my scratchbox setup and building fennec |
| 10:32.49 | japh | go checks for the power off switch |
| 10:33.22 | zeq | much quicker :) |
| 10:33.30 | vi__ | tracker starts to suck when people put it into low memory mode and renice it to 20 |
| 10:34.06 | japh | but where does its indexing come into use? when you use that default crappy filemanager? |
| 10:34.18 | Hurrian | vi__, yup, it uses an absurd amount of CPU in lowmem and highmem, so I said fuck it, and let it run in highmem instead of waiting hours in lowmem |
| 10:35.03 | vi__ | japh: It is used for the media player and search features. |
| 10:35.09 | zeq | it should be ionice'd not renice'd |
| 10:35.21 | zeq | (re. tracker) |
| 10:36.32 | japh | the media player isn't particulary userfriendly and there's lots of that it's having problems with playing |
| 10:37.04 | Hurrian | japh, meh, the lack of gapless is the only showstopper for me |
| 10:37.05 | japh | maybe that's because I'm certainly one of the few people who haven't overclocked :p |
| 10:37.11 | japh | but mplayer works really nicely |
| 10:37.21 | Hurrian | install OMP, it definitely works quire nicely for music playback |
| 10:37.21 | vi__ | japh: It sounds to me like smartphones are not for you. I have a dusty 486DX here with a terminal emulator. |
| 10:37.29 | vi__ | If you want it. |
| 10:37.51 | japh | not sure where did came from |
| 10:37.55 | vi__ | japh: wait I thought we were talking about the n950? |
| 10:38.39 | japh | vi__, I'm still using the n900 at work, and if there's no way to get the fm transmitter going in the n950 I'll continue doing so |
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| 10:39.58 | Lantizia | Lo anyone familiar with the background image sets? |
| 10:40.32 | japh | ask! |
| 10:40.33 | Lantizia | I can see each image set in MyDocs/.images has a .desktop file - so I'm thinking without this .desktop file - the image set won't show up in the list of those available |
| 10:40.50 | japh | I've found that buggy as hell |
| 10:41.22 | Lantizia | The only exceptions are digital_nature5_0*.jpg (4 files) which are used by a theme ... and nseries_0*.jpg (also 4 files) for another theme |
| 10:41.23 | japh | https://github.com/trapd00r/n900/blob/master/set_random_wallpapers is what I do |
| 10:41.33 | japh | as you might notice I'm not an sh guy |
| 10:41.57 | Lantizia | but I've noticed there are 3 unaccounted for files in .images that come on the eMMC ... 40_stripes1.jpg 40_stripes2.jpg and 40_stripes3.jpg (only 3 files) |
| 10:42.04 | Lantizia | like it's an unfinished image set |
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| 10:42.51 | zeq | freemangordon: I need to bump the kernel-headers in the toolchains |
| 10:42.52 | japh | want wallpapers? |
| 10:44.54 | zeq | freemangordon: what kernel-header pkg fixed the procinfo.h dependency with mozilla? I rootstrapped a new target the other day and obviously ended up with the wrong headers... |
| 10:46.55 | Lantizia | 40_stripes4.jpg is essentially missing - as is it's .desktop file |
| 10:47.03 | Lantizia | on all N900's |
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| 11:00.35 | kaawee | Hello! Is it possible to get a framebuffer console using "kernel-power" on the N900? |
| 11:02.39 | freemangordon | zeq: kernel-cssu-headers |
| 11:03.00 | zeq | I seem to have broken python :/ |
| 11:03.19 | freemangordon | but lenux-kernel-headers from SDK repo should do the job too |
| 11:03.24 | freemangordon | *linux |
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| 11:05.40 | zeq | I probably forgot to use fakeroot when installing python2.5 |
| 11:06.11 | zeq | seems to have fixed it |
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| 11:07.44 | vi__ | kaawee: Yes it is! |
| 11:07.49 | vi__ | Modprobe fb-con! |
| 11:15.42 | zeq | freemangordon: wtf? it's still dying on procinfo.h |
| 11:18.13 | zeq | freemangordon: what's your linux/version.h version? |
| 11:18.23 | Lantizia | Would there be any issues with packaging the image sets that come on the eMMC as seperate debian packages? |
| 11:22.31 | freemangordon | zeq: #define LINUX_VERSION_CODE 132636 |
| 11:23.34 | zeq | #define LINUX_VERSION_CODE 132630 |
| 11:23.55 | zeq | you had the same problem before, when I had 132636 |
| 11:24.07 | freemangordon | yeah, yhe same problem i had, just install kernel-cssu-headers |
| 11:25.09 | zeq | it's worked this time |
| 11:25.19 | zeq | probably forgot fakeroot again :S |
| 11:26.11 | zeq | I'll remember eventually |
| 11:26.43 | zeq | all problems hopefully now fixed |
| 11:27.03 | zeq | did you try a build with egl-render? |
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| 11:28.54 | freemangordon | still trying, need to overcome some gcc incompatibilities |
| 11:29.21 | zeq | which gcc are you using? |
| 11:30.24 | freemangordon | 4.6.2 |
| 11:30.38 | zeq | you could try one of the ones I've packaged |
| 11:30.47 | freemangordon | (i.e. i keep the focus in fennec :) ) |
| 11:30.52 | freemangordon | sure |
| 11:32.04 | zeq | I'm surprised I didn't get any feedback given people have been downloading |
| 11:33.14 | zeq | 4.7 seems the most popular |
| 11:34.11 | zeq | eater libc # grep linaro-4.7 /var/log/apache2/access_log| wc -l |
| 11:34.12 | zeq | 26 |
| 11:34.12 | zeq | eater libc # grep linaro-4.6 /var/log/apache2/access_log| wc -l |
| 11:34.12 | zeq | 14 |
| 11:34.13 | zeq | eater libc # grep gcc-4.6 /var/log/apache2/access_log| wc -l |
| 11:34.14 | zeq | 4 |
| 11:34.16 | zeq | eater libc # |
| 11:34.31 | freemangordon | wow |
| 11:36.00 | zeq | actually, there's some dupes |
| 11:36.13 | zeq | lets try again... |
| 11:38.03 | zeq | eater libc # grep linaro-4.7 /var/log/apache2/access_log| awk -F" " '{ print $1 " " $7 }' | sort | uniq | wc -l |
| 11:38.06 | zeq | 16 |
| 11:38.09 | zeq | eater libc # grep linaro-4.6 /var/log/apache2/access_log| awk -F" " '{ print $1 " " $7 }' | sort | uniq | wc -l |
| 11:38.12 | zeq | 8 |
| 11:38.14 | zeq | eater libc # grep gcc-4.6 /var/log/apache2/access_log| awk -F" " '{ print $1 " " $7 }' | sort | uniq | wc -l |
| 11:38.17 | zeq | 4 |
| 11:39.06 | zeq | still quite a few |
| 11:40.38 | zeq | so, who out there has tried it? |
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| 12:03.14 | freemangordon | fennec with egl built, lets try it |
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| 12:13.08 | merlin1991 | is the tmo trolling/flaming ever going to stop? |
| 12:14.57 | StyXman | merlin1991: it's the internet; ergo, no |
| 12:14.58 | freemangordon | zeq: egl don't help, seems after all Qt is the only way |
| 12:15.05 | zeq | :( |
| 12:15.27 | freemangordon | is afk |
| 12:15.31 | merlin1991 | StyXman: true, but tom used to be at least semi productive :/ |
| 12:15.44 | merlin1991 | s/tom/tmo/ |
| 12:15.47 | zeq | I seem to have discovered why the headers keep getting wrong version. As suspected, it's the version in the toolchain |
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| 12:28.44 | ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: it's not about flame and trolling, there is point that was never answered or discussed. i know few people there actually take it in more personal places, but after all there were few question asked and only few got answer |
| 12:29.09 | merlin1991 | ZogG_laptop: it reached a point where it is |
| 12:29.27 | merlin1991 | about 80% of each thread in question is down to non constructive flame/trolling |
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| 12:33.08 | ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: yeah most people go personal, but it's sad but most council go this way too, that's why no point rechead and the meeting made it worse. i hope you saw how they called the topic and what was discussed? if no it was few lines how leaders always hated and that Arie is in ignore list. and not why it happened and how to prevent and what lesson was learned |
| 12:33.44 | merlin1991 | could you link me the log? |
| 12:33.48 | ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: as i said before, you let it go once, it starts to be normal, that's why the second time it was proven that they acted not ethic |
| 12:35.07 | ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2012-06-22.log.html#t2012-06-22T21:19:56 |
| 12:38.47 | merlin1991 | the really odd thing is that people keep claiming that there are *some* undeserving winners, and name a few *better* candidates, but nobody seems to like to pin point who who shouldn't have gotten a device (besides council) |
| 12:39.27 | SpeedEvil | I think giving one to Elop was totally misguided. |
| 12:39.42 | SpeedEvil | Even when it came with illustrated guides as to where to put it. |
| 12:40.16 | qwazix | why not he might just learn there was something called MeeGo around in nokia |
| 12:40.35 | qwazix | Worst thing could happen is he might like it |
| 12:41.04 | ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: i don't care about anyone except council, as i'm logical and know that here i can't say anything, even i do have few names. it just wouldn't be fair from me to do it. as it's not about who deserve and who doesn't |
| 12:41.51 | ZogG_laptop | on other hand if council made this they may gave few friends, but again — less interested in this, more interested in not ethic self nomination and than ignoring it |
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| 12:44.51 | ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: just to get clear, there were few posts like — http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1227626&postcount=37 . mostly polite, all info gathered and just to point out something, and most didn't get response, or the same answer all over again while selecting only parts to answer |
| 12:46.01 | merlin1991 | yeah I've read that post, it seemed to be the exception to the rule |
| 12:49.10 | ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: it's just sums of posts and points before btw |
| 12:50.03 | ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: you just didn't see them as council mostly answered other posts =) |
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| 13:10.00 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer; nope not yet |
| 13:10.29 | ShadowJK | haven't even checked tracking |
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| 13:19.20 | zeq | is afk |
| 13:22.27 | vi__ | ZogG_laptop: Funny thing is I have not seen you around TMO, IRC or mailing list. Ever. Have you been playing the long troll all along? |
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| 13:33.42 | RiD | Estel_ I gave SecuROM the middle finger, cracked launcher + real serial. Apparently that worked on MP just fine |
| 13:35.44 | sEKI | Hey Estel, how you doing? |
| 13:40.18 | sEKI | just trying xchat on my n900 |
| 13:40.35 | sEKI | anyone's using it too? |
| 13:41.06 | vi__ | ~xchat |
| 13:41.06 | infobot | rumour has it, xchat is an IRC client for unix and windows at http://www.xchat.org or http://www.silverex.org/news/ |
| 13:41.21 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer51: ping |
| 13:41.29 | vi__ | geeze there is like 5 docs |
| 13:42.19 | sEKI | must admit it's rather crap with default settings :D |
| 13:42.23 | vi__ | sEKI: you are enjoying xchat? |
| 13:42.40 | sEKI | as above ;) |
| 13:42.56 | vi__ | sEKI: Yes it is. If DocScrutinizer51 turns up at any point he will point you towards his 'config'. |
| 13:43.11 | vi__ | sEKI: It is the de-facto way to use xchat on the n900. |
| 13:43.19 | vi__ | (I prefer irssi) |
| 13:44.02 | sEKI | I'd love to see his config... |
| 13:44.36 | Lava_Croft | i still have a n900 with a broken camera module |
| 13:44.43 | sEKI | I'll be dead honest, can't see a thing and my eyes hurt... |
| 13:44.58 | Lava_Croft | thankgod i found a Turk who can fix it forme |
| 13:45.05 | Lava_Croft | A Turk and his Dremel |
| 13:45.31 | sEKI | I though they only do kebabs ;) |
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| 13:48.36 | sEKI | will anyone believe if I say I've never used IRC?! |
| 13:49.48 | Lava_Croft | but arent you on irc right now |
| 13:49.58 | Lava_Croft | basically invalidating your claim! |
| 13:50.54 | sEKI | ... until today :D was that not obvious? :P |
| 13:51.36 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 13:51.42 | Lava_Croft | just teasing you! |
| 13:52.21 | sEKI | yeah, don't seem to be going much around here is it? |
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| 13:54.31 | Lava_Croft | that depends |
| 13:54.41 | Lava_Croft | mostly its not that much on-topic here |
| 13:54.52 | Lava_Croft | but irc is very much talking with delay |
| 13:54.59 | Lava_Croft | say something now and have someone else react in 4 hours |
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| 13:55.11 | Lava_Croft | besides, quality beats quantity! |
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| 14:05.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ?? |
| 14:06.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: the 51 isb't all that bad, only I *forgot my N900 @ home* today :-S |
| 14:06.30 | sEKI | hey Doc can you share your config for xchat? |
| 14:06.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 14:06.41 | infobot | i heard jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 14:06.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | one dir up, then ->xchat |
| 14:07.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | copy to your ~/.xchat2/ |
| 14:07.09 | vi__ | sEKI: there ya go. |
| 14:07.12 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: cheers, |
| 14:07.15 | vi__ | ^,/. |
| 14:07.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | cheers |
| 14:08.13 | Lava_Croft | xchat, for when just text to display text is not enough |
| 14:08.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 14:09.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/xchat/M$-word/ |
| 14:09.11 | Lava_Croft | why is it M$ |
| 14:09.18 | Lava_Croft | because its a company that wants to make a profit? |
| 14:09.29 | Lava_Croft | you do know that you might as well type OMG ROFL I PLAY COD OMG LOL |
| 14:09.33 | Lava_Croft | and it would look just as intelligent |
| 14:09.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | do you know how much I care? |
| 14:10.04 | Lava_Croft | enough to react |
| 14:10.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | google for "M$" |
| 14:10.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll find it's a meme or whatever |
| 14:10.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway well established |
| 14:11.05 | Lava_Croft | hardly an argument that its well established or that its a meme |
| 14:11.10 | Lava_Croft | but good enough for me to let you hide behind it:) |
| 14:11.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | everybody knows M$, while with ms at the latest you will encounter shrugs |
| 14:11.46 | Lava_Croft | yes MS is evil, not Nokia |
| 14:12.00 | Lava_Croft | nokia doesnt like profit:) |
| 14:12.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | again, I don't give a shit |
| 14:12.09 | Lava_Croft | enough to still be talking about it |
| 14:12.18 | Lava_Croft | but ill help you out, ill go do something else:) |
| 14:12.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, while I should ignore you |
| 14:12.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | and continue my daywork |
| 14:12.28 | Lava_Croft | lets both stop and save the channel! |
| 14:12.31 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 14:12.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | as you fool don't pay me for chatting with you |
| 14:12.49 | Lava_Croft | i already finished todays work |
| 14:12.58 | Lava_Croft | 5am til 3pm :< |
| 14:13.14 | Lava_Croft | good luck with your work! |
| 14:17.19 | qwazix | \QUIT going home, see you later |
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| 14:25.00 | ShadowJK | megaseconds or megabucks |
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| 14:43.17 | Lava_Croft | the council meeting report on my google reader states that some people on TMO are crazy :< |
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| 15:01.51 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: the funny thing i'm on #harmattan for past year and you can track me on TMO, i'm not the great contributor but i helped here and there and also translated for dev friends and tested and bug reported. and on #maemo i was active about 2 years ago till my n900 died, and few people actually know me. and even after the fight i still stood on my promise and added what i promised for non official council member request for some howto |
| 15:03.06 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: but still i don't care about me as in CA i don't deserve a device, i won one on other program and i think it's not like i deserve their, just there were not a lot people there and i was enuf comparing to some of others there |
| 15:05.08 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: but if you want to take it personal i wouldn't defence or attack back, as it's kinda stupid as i might say u in face that i doubt you deserve device more than others, but i don't judge or care of it, as i think it's okay with council if they not perfectly objective as they can't follow everyone and they still human. and there would be always different opinions. so it's more personal and is not relevant while what is relevant c |
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| 15:10.12 | ZogG_lap1op | ~logs |
| 15:10.12 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 15:12.25 | ZogG_lap1op | vi__: i was lagged and didn't get response and don't know if you got my 3 msgs |
| 15:13.16 | ZogG_lap1op | i see in log they are not there |
| 15:13.20 | ZogG_lap1op | than i'll repeat |
| 15:13.38 | ZogG_lap1op | vi__: the funny thing i'm on #harmattan for past year and you can track me on TMO, i'm not the great contributor but i helped here and there and also translated for dev friends and tested and bug reported. and on #maemo i was active about 2 years ago till my n900 died, and few people actually know me. and even after the fight i still stood on my promise and added what i promised for non official council member request for some howto |
| 15:13.49 | ZogG_lap1op | vi__: but still i don't care about me as in CA i don't deserve a device, i won one on other program and i think it's not like i deserve their, just there were not a lot people there and i was enuf comparing to some of others there |
| 15:13.55 | ZogG_lap1op | vi__: but if you want to take it personal i wouldn't defence or attack back, as it's kinda stupid as i might say u in face that i doubt you deserve device more than others, but i don't judge or care of it, as i think it's okay with council if they not perfectly objective as they can't follow everyone and they still human. and there would be always different opinions. so it's more personal and is not relevant while what is relevant council benefits vs |
| 15:15.14 | ZogG_lap1op | vi__: and if you want i can get the references from members you know if you want |
| 15:15.40 | ZogG_lap1op | ~ping |
| 15:15.40 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 15:42.59 | sEKI | switched to Joerg's configs... bloody hell what a difference! |
| 15:44.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | thanks :-D |
| 15:44.46 | sEKI | xchat is usable now :D |
| 15:45.57 | sEKI | well, time to go home, have some soldering to do, my wifes laptop was on fire yesterday :D |
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| 15:53.47 | ZogG_lap1op | sEKI: lol |
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| 15:58.14 | NIN101 | coming home, starting my mail client, and the maemo mailing list ist full of nonsense. |
| 15:58.41 | freemangordon | *sigh* |
| 15:58.49 | freemangordon | unfortunately |
| 15:59.38 | zeq | freemangordon: hi |
| 15:59.55 | freemangordon | hi |
| 16:00.08 | zeq | I'd got in a bit of a mess on my N900 with libstdc++ versions and partial qt installs |
| 16:00.11 | freemangordon | any progress with Qt rotation? |
| 16:00.12 | zeq | just tested fennec |
| 16:00.21 | freemangordon | and? |
| 16:00.22 | zeq | it's not rotating at all |
| 16:00.31 | freemangordon | that's goo |
| 16:00.36 | zeq | it is? |
| 16:00.41 | zeq | I suppose ;) |
| 16:00.41 | freemangordon | seems it is forced rotation then |
| 16:00.58 | freemangordon | going to disable it here and try again |
| 16:01.07 | zeq | just turned on forced and it crashed |
| 16:01.09 | freemangordon | you have forced rotation enabled? |
| 16:01.14 | freemangordon | what? |
| 16:01.22 | zeq | ctrl-fn-r |
| 16:01.24 | zeq | then I rotated |
| 16:01.31 | zeq | it rotated, then crashed |
| 16:01.35 | freemangordon | zeq: not that way |
| 16:01.51 | freemangordon | edit /etc/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini |
| 16:01.55 | zeq | ok |
| 16:02.03 | freemangordon | look at CSSU wiki for instructions |
| 16:02.14 | freemangordon | do ^^^ first |
| 16:02.27 | freemangordon | while I am re-building qt version |
| 16:02.32 | zeq | doesn't ctrl-fn-r have a similar effect? |
| 16:03.01 | freemangordon | I think that was disabled, but anyway, this is not the way to go |
| 16:04.09 | zeq | it definitely did something :P |
| 16:04.56 | freemangordon | crashed fennec? |
| 16:04.59 | freemangordon | :P |
| 16:05.23 | zeq | yes |
| 16:05.36 | zeq | can you give me a page reference? |
| 16:06.17 | zeq | nm |
| 16:06.36 | freemangordon | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features/hildon-desktop#Editing_transitions.ini |
| 16:06.54 | freemangordon | in short you should set force_rotation to 1 and reboot |
| 16:09.06 | zeq | didn't need to reboot |
| 16:09.18 | freemangordon | hmm, strange |
| 16:09.26 | zeq | rotation works but resize only works landscape->portrate |
| 16:09.34 | freemangordon | yep |
| 16:09.54 | freemangordon | or portrait->landscape |
| 16:09.59 | freemangordon | or not at all |
| 16:09.59 | zeq | then the screen widgets stop repostioning/resizing |
| 16:10.23 | zeq | it's sort of working |
| 16:10.24 | zeq | kinda |
| 16:10.30 | freemangordon | yes, that is the problem. although side pane are always resized correctly |
| 16:10.34 | Raimu | Bah, blessn900 instareboots my phone these days. No idea if it's a cssu-thumb or what. I hate that proprietary piece of sortware. |
| 16:10.45 | zeq | notice some elements are respostioning correctly |
| 16:10.50 | freemangordon | zeq: yep, kinda |
| 16:11.14 | freemangordon | Raimu: any oopses? |
| 16:11.25 | zeq | the off the left and side panel gets resized correctly |
| 16:11.30 | freemangordon | yep |
| 16:11.44 | Raimu | freemangordon: Oopses? It just blows up at starting the app, can't get logs I think. |
| 16:11.46 | freemangordon | it is only the page which got screwed most of the time |
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| 16:11.49 | zeq | actually I think it is working |
| 16:11.59 | freemangordon | Raimu: /dev/mtd2 |
| 16:12.09 | zeq | oh no, what am I talking about? |
| 16:12.20 | freemangordon | zeq: from time to time it is |
| 16:12.32 | zeq | ok I think I get it |
| 16:12.33 | freemangordon | but usually no, still cannot grok it |
| 16:12.53 | zeq | horizontal startup -> portrate: ok |
| 16:13.09 | zeq | s/portrate/portrait/ |
| 16:13.26 | freemangordon | zeq: no, it is not ok |
| 16:13.39 | zeq | portrait -> horizontal: main area not resizing horizontally |
| 16:13.55 | freemangordon | the startup page is not shown correectly, it is vut at the bottom |
| 16:14.03 | freemangordon | *cut |
| 16:14.15 | zeq | horizontal -> portrait: shifted onto side panel, but actually ok |
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| 16:15.06 | zeq | url bar shrinks but doesn't regrow |
| 16:15.28 | zeq | same as main page area |
| 16:15.45 | freemangordon | zeq: it is different almost every time |
| 16:16.04 | zeq | ok, I'll restart and try again, see what happens |
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| 16:17.51 | zeq | this time screen elements aren't getting resized *at all* |
| 16:17.55 | zeq | ????? |
| 16:18.06 | Raimu | freemangordon: got it |
| 16:18.38 | Raimu | freemangordon: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24357139/mtd2-raimu.txt |
| 16:18.48 | zeq | I'm going to look at the code... |
| 16:21.28 | freemangordon | Raimu: you don't have enough free RAM man, I was getting those while I was experimenting with compcache. remove it. it is not needed wit cssu-thumb ;) |
| 16:21.46 | zeq | freemangordon: did you see these: 17:18 < Raimu> freemangordon: got it |
| 16:21.55 | freemangordon | yep |
| 16:21.58 | zeq | sorry |
| 16:22.03 | zeq | cut and paste error |
| 16:22.04 | freemangordon | and i looked at oops |
| 16:22.08 | zeq | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.08 | zeq | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.08 | zeq | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.19 | vi__ | Raimu: are you using compcache? |
| 16:22.25 | freemangordon | yes |
| 16:22.29 | zeq | ok |
| 16:22.35 | Raimu | vi__: Yep, 64mb. |
| 16:22.48 | vi__ | Raimu: Did you copy the settings from the forum? |
| 16:22.51 | freemangordon | zeq: where is that from |
| 16:23.00 | Raimu | vi__: Pretty much, yeah. |
| 16:23.05 | freemangordon | aaah, yes, it is vi__ to blame |
| 16:23.19 | vi__ | aww shucks. |
| 16:23.20 | zeq | widget/qt/nsWindow.cpp |
| 16:23.20 | Raimu | I did alter a bunch of them, though. |
| 16:23.27 | vi__ | Raimu: oh god |
| 16:23.33 | freemangordon | vi__: here is you answer why it hurts when you pee |
| 16:23.40 | freemangordon | :P |
| 16:23.44 | vi__ | ! |
| 16:23.55 | Raimu | I feel like Bruce Campbell having picked up the Necronomicon without saying the right words. |
| 16:23.57 | vi__ | Raimu, you must remove the line about min_free_kb |
| 16:24.00 | zeq | freemangordon: I'm just searching through the code for "resize" |
| 16:24.19 | freemangordon | Raimu: increase that to at least 8M |
| 16:24.24 | vi__ | Raimu: Gort! Klaatu! Barrada! Nikto! |
| 16:24.38 | Raimu | vi__: Klaatu! Barata! *ahemhem* |
| 16:24.40 | Raimu | leers |
| 16:24.44 | vi__ | freemangordon: Just leave it at default and it is fine. |
| 16:24.49 | freemangordon | yep |
| 16:24.55 | vi__ | Raimu: Gort! Klaatu! Baracard... necktie...? |
| 16:25.03 | Raimu | ^_- |
| 16:25.04 | vi__ | Default is 2048 |
| 16:25.30 | vi__ | Raimu: Do not change the min_free_kb value when you start compcache. |
| 16:25.50 | vi__ | In fact delete it from whatever you are using to set your VM settings. |
| 16:25.53 | Raimu | Yeah, got that. I think I was never dumb enough to make it 32, but I think I did halven it or something. |
| 16:26.16 | vi__ | ...It didnt seem dumb at the time -_- |
| 16:26.22 | Raimu | Yeah, not blaming you. |
| 16:26.31 | Raimu | I'm to blame for whatever I do to muck up my phone. |
| 16:26.46 | Raimu | Just if things get fixed in the process, better. |
| 16:26.53 | freemangordon | zeq: maybe some traces of these will help a lot |
| 16:27.20 | freemangordon | unfortunately at this point compcache brings only problems |
| 16:27.24 | Raimu | Oh, yeah, I wanted to ask about one of the kernel's VM features. |
| 16:27.48 | Raimu | What use is the "overcommit_memory" feature in the kernel? It sounds like a recipe for disaster, donnit? |
| 16:27.57 | vi__ | freemangordon: WFM. Needs a little refresh from time to time. |
| 16:28.11 | freemangordon | vi__: tried thumb? |
| 16:28.18 | vi__ | freemangordon: admitedly no. |
| 16:28.33 | vi__ | I was waiting for the stunt lemmings to find the proiblems first. |
| 16:28.36 | Raimu | freemangordon: Hey, is there a reason the compcache baked into KP doesn't give out the stats when rzc asks for them? |
| 16:28.49 | vi__ | Raimu: stats is turned off. |
| 16:28.52 | freemangordon | yep, stats are disabled (by me :P ) |
| 16:28.55 | Raimu | Oh, why? |
| 16:29.02 | freemangordon | performance reasons |
| 16:29.11 | freemangordon | there are several spinlocks there |
| 16:29.39 | freemangordon | which are used ONLY for stats |
| 16:29.56 | Raimu | And why was that backing swap thing incompatible with the kernel-as-we-have-it? |
| 16:30.02 | freemangordon | vi__: you'd better try thumb, no problems so far |
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| 16:30.07 | Raimu | Ah, I see. |
| 16:30.12 | vi__ | freemangordon: Is that a threat! |
| 16:30.21 | freemangordon | Raimu: it is, just that performance is horrible |
| 16:30.38 | vi__ | freemangordon: I fully intend to in the next couple of days, I am in the middle of moving houe right now. |
| 16:30.47 | vi__ | ^house. |
| 16:30.47 | freemangordon | vi__: well, I can say what I want :P:P:P |
| 16:30.54 | vi__ | hah |
| 16:30.59 | freemangordon | aah, not the best time |
| 16:31.03 | vi__ | I shall afford you that right! |
| 16:31.12 | Raimu | freemangordon: The backing swap is sucky in performance? |
| 16:31.20 | freemangordon | more than sucky |
| 16:31.53 | freemangordon | as long as BS is hit, you have to power down |
| 16:32.26 | freemangordon | well, not THAt bad, but still |
| 16:32.29 | Raimu | So, basically when the BS is hit, BS hits the fan. |
| 16:32.30 | vi__ | freemangordon: is this due to swap thrashing? |
| 16:32.36 | vi__ | Raimu: !!! |
| 16:32.51 | freemangordon | Raimu: exactly :) |
| 16:33.08 | vi__ | How do I enable backing swap? |
| 16:33.09 | freemangordon | vi__: it writes one page a time |
| 16:33.49 | freemangordon | and does that when the system is short in memory |
| 16:33.56 | freemangordon | iirc |
| 16:34.17 | Raimu | Wasn't it supposed to, for example, put things in the backing swap when things aren't used often or when they aren't compressed well enough? |
| 16:34.22 | Raimu | That's what I read in the zram docs. |
| 16:34.38 | Raimu | I guess if it's implemented all the way to hell, it's not that nice. |
| 16:34.56 | zeq | I remember reading lkml a while back when there was a discussion about writing out multiple pages to eMMC |
| 16:35.19 | zeq | I don't know if a patch ever saw the light of day |
| 16:35.44 | zeq | it would *really* help out swap performance |
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| 16:36.28 | zeq | freemangordon: there seems to be serveral functions in nsWindow.cpp relating to resizing |
| 16:36.39 | SpeedEvil | The righ way is a circular buffer swap, with defragmentation |
| 16:36.42 | SpeedEvil | pretty much |
| 16:36.46 | zeq | we may just need to set a flag |
| 16:36.47 | SpeedEvil | so it's _always_ written in-order. |
| 16:37.00 | SpeedEvil | And defragments as it goes. |
| 16:37.01 | zeq | no need to listen for rotation events? |
| 16:37.05 | freemangordon | zeq: it is still building here so there is not much i can do right now but to look at the code |
| 16:37.16 | zeq | what have you changed? |
| 16:37.28 | freemangordon | zeq: gtk2->qt ;) |
| 16:37.41 | zeq | ah ok |
| 16:37.45 | freemangordon | zeq: it listens for rotation events |
| 16:38.10 | freemangordon | #if (MOZ_PLATFORM_MAEMO == 5) |
| 16:38.10 | freemangordon | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.10 | freemangordon | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.10 | freemangordon | #else |
| 16:39.43 | zeq | I saw your code, but I wonder if it's needed at all. Maybe a flag will make it automatic |
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| 16:45.41 | zeq | freemangordon: do you want to join me on #mobile @irc.mozilla.org |
| 16:46.46 | zeq | I'm going to ask romaxa for advise |
| 16:46.53 | freemangordon | zeq: sure |
| 16:47.09 | zeq | I'll wait for you to join |
| 16:47.30 | freemangordon | what is the exact channel? |
| 16:47.42 | freemangordon | zeq:^^^ |
| 16:47.48 | zeq | #mobile |
| 16:47.59 | zeq | on the irc.mozilla.org server |
| 16:48.14 | freemangordon | aah. need to setup that |
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| 16:59.29 | freemangordon | zeq: damn, even if with forced rotation disabled, fennec still tries to raotate when in task navigator |
| 17:00.22 | zeq1 | freemangordon: it doesn't really matter if we get it working. |
| 17:00.44 | freemangordon | ? |
| 17:01.17 | freemangordon | zeq1: it matters for me :) |
| 17:01.41 | zeq | if the window resizes correctly we want to rotate anyway |
| 17:02.33 | freemangordon | why stuped facebook opens the mobile version? we have to do something for the user agent |
| 17:05.27 | zeq | freemangordon: try about:config |
| 17:05.38 | zeq | should be able to set the user agent there I think |
| 17:08.24 | freemangordon | aaah, yes, it was about: config , stupid me |
| 17:08.49 | zeq1 | :) |
| 17:08.59 | Wnt | phony is a great extension to switch between user agents |
| 17:09.28 | ZogG_lap1op | ~ZogG |
| 17:09.28 | infobot | methinks zogg is awesome |
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| 17:09.45 | ZogG_lap1op | i forgot about it |
| 17:09.48 | freemangordon | Wnt: for firefox? |
| 17:09.54 | Wnt | freemangordon: yes |
| 17:10.01 | freemangordon | hmm, going to install it |
| 17:12.35 | zeq1 | romaxa has arrived |
| 17:12.42 | zeq1 | freemangordon: ping |
| 17:14.01 | hiemanshu | zeq1: stop stalking people :P |
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| 17:21.41 | freemangordon | zeq1: I think that should be enough |
| 17:22.05 | zeq1 | good hints |
| 17:22.15 | freemangordon | Wnt: thanks for the tip, now FB opens its desktop version |
| 17:22.45 | Lava_Croft | fennec was slow even on n9 :< |
| 17:22.46 | Wnt | freemangordon: great, no problem |
| 17:22.52 | Lava_Croft | very sadly |
| 17:23.13 | freemangordon | zeq1: yep, I think we have everything answered |
| 17:23.28 | freemangordon | we can ping him again when we have more questions |
| 17:24.40 | freemangordon | Lava_Croft: believe me or not, but it is absolutely usefull. and I am talking about desktop FB. It is only zoom that is slow |
| 17:25.28 | Lava_Croft | oh, i wasnt in any way dissing its usefulness |
| 17:25.31 | Lava_Croft | its just too bad that its so slow |
| 17:25.43 | Lava_Croft | i completely get where they are trying to get to |
| 17:25.50 | freemangordon | by usefull i menat fast enough to use it |
| 17:25.53 | freemangordon | *meant |
| 17:26.01 | Lava_Croft | for the stuff i mostly use during the day, opera is the fastest |
| 17:26.17 | Lava_Croft | but more complex stuff works better in ff |
| 17:26.26 | zeq1 | Lava_Croft: you might be surprised how fast fennec will be |
| 17:26.38 | Lava_Croft | zeq1: i already notice how its becoming faster and faster |
| 17:26.44 | Lava_Croft | the early stuff from over a year ago was horrible |
| 17:26.49 | Lava_Croft | if not longer ago |
| 17:26.51 | zeq1 | I mean our port |
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| 17:26.54 | Lava_Croft | ah! |
| 17:27.07 | Lava_Croft | ill let myself by awesomely surprised then! |
| 17:27.15 | Lava_Croft | be* |
| 17:27.32 | zeq1 | is serving dinner |
| 17:27.37 | ThreeM | Sc0rpius ? |
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| 17:37.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | Raimu: (instareboot) sure thing, camaera kernel modules |
| 17:37.46 | Estel_ | vi__, ping |
| 17:38.16 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, you know what? chem|st closed topic You've mentioned, as per Your suggestion, then took few outcry posts, and created new topic for it |
| 17:38.28 | Estel_ | which is 1:1 the same as old one |
| 17:38.38 | Estel_ | I'm confused on this tactic :DF |
| 17:39.04 | Estel_ | but, but, there are real issues. What a morons are Farnel electronic! |
| 17:39.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | hehe |
| 17:39.22 | Estel_ | Thyey've charged 17 euro for shipping, and don't even have tracking ID! |
| 17:39.50 | Estel_ | they've sent 200 gram device via normal LETTER and reject to handle ID, even though it's already post 2 weeks since sending |
| 17:40.01 | Estel_ | and I mean raspberry Pi of course |
| 17:40.17 | Estel_ | those idiots are explaining, that they have very high demand for Pi, so they weren't able to log Id of packages sent LOL |
| 17:41.20 | freemangordon | zeq1: Did I tell you I am stupid? I closed irc window, now I don't have the function names anymore :( |
| 17:41.32 | freemangordon | and #mobile don't have logs |
| 17:41.40 | freemangordon | do you keep those? |
| 17:42.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | snapshots a corn circle in stone |
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| 17:45.19 | freemangordon | oh, fortunately mirc keeps channel logs, pfew |
| 17:48.33 | zeq1 | hehe |
| 17:48.58 | zeq1 | I still have it open anyway |
| 17:50.07 | zeq1 | freemangordon: I'm off to visit my gran in hospital. I'll be back in a couple of hours. |
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| 18:15.01 | Estel_ | freemangordon, is your work on improving fennec to be check anywhere, or not yet? |
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| 18:17.06 | freemangordon | Estel_: it is not my work ;). Seen as in? video or .deb? I can upload a .deb, but you MUST have cssu-thumb. do you? |
| 18:17.50 | Estel_ | yes, but not in this device :( but, but, is it going to be put into repos, later? Or is it, rather "private" modification? I suspect the former :) |
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| 18:27.08 | freemangordon | Estel_: I meant that fennec n900 adaptation is not my work only, it is a work split between me and zeq. So, I don't know about zeq, but I don't plan to put fennec on any other place but thumb repo. I doubt that gcc 4.2.1 will be able to compile neon intrinstincs needed for performance it achieves being thumb/neon compiled |
| 18:28.01 | Estel_ | sounds fair enough, I don't mind *any* new work being thumb only. After all, we got thumb working on purpose |
| 18:28.13 | Estel_ | I'm planning to migrate to thumb in my main device too, ASAP |
| 18:28.54 | freemangordon | good for you, you will feel the difference ;). Do a backup of course, just in case |
| 18:29.19 | freemangordon | and have in mind that all SW that depends on KP have to be uninstalled |
| 18:29.39 | freemangordon | ok, most of it, like KPS and cleven |
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| 18:38.03 | freemangordon | Estel_: on the side not I think you are using FUD pretty often, I am not native English speaker, but AIUI it is offensive beyond what you want your statement to be. While I am Slav (just as I suspect you are) and I understand what you're saying, I don't think that holds true for the native Engish speakers and non-slavonic population. |
| 18:38.35 | qwazix_ | hi, trying to build glib from cordia project on harmattan and it complains about gtk-docs, gtk-docs from gnome.org complains about gtk-docs utils. Is there a way to build glib without docs? I tried --disable-gtk-docs but it doesn't work |
| 18:38.54 | freemangordon | Estel_: In short: you'd better watch your tone on TMO ;) |
| 18:40.10 | freemangordon | Estel_: not that I have any problem with what you are saying, just a friendly piece of advice :P |
| 18:42.52 | Estel_ | freemangordon, I understand. If You're reffering to my post aimed @ SD69, i Think it was like it was meant to be, as I felt accussed a little :) |
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| 18:43.35 | Estel_ | +, ust few hours ago, i told him that it isn't true, and provided links. I don't suspect abd will, just being careless on already heated thing |
| 18:43.45 | Estel_ | anyway, i'm done with all post-CA outcry threrads for good |
| 18:43.51 | Estel_ | definitely, much more productive things to do |
| 18:44.32 | Estel_ | I don't care if they're going to ounslaughter themselves. I think you're right, that this thing started to get in my nerves too much |
| 18:44.57 | Estel_ | and You're right, my bad to heat amosphere even more. Eh. |
| 18:44.58 | freemangordon | yes, that post, but not only. I don't know about you, but I have a lot of contacts with western people and I can assure you, they just don grok our south way of thinking/expressing things. |
| 18:45.19 | Estel_ | ah, true |
| 18:45.20 | freemangordon | *don't |
| 18:45.53 | Estel_ | yes, you're right, and You're definitely right about fact, that they take it 2x more heavily, than I would take it or mean, even when angered :) |
| 18:45.57 | Estel_ | good catch. |
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| 18:46.42 | freemangordon | the same way as we don;t grock whay the hell it takes 5 sentences to say something that can be said with 5 words ;) |
| 18:47.53 | Estel_ | yea :) Well... Thanks for advice, (hoever it sounds), as I msut say that it was one with most merit in it, and I got many "friendly advices" lately :D |
| 18:48.20 | Estel_ | BTw, I suspect, that Scots are either more like us, or vi_ is Slav in disguise :P |
| 18:48.38 | ZogG_lap1op | facts are facts in any language |
| 18:48.45 | ZogG_lap1op | i'm not native too |
| 18:49.05 | Estel_ | ZogG, like fact, that You've applied for Ca Yourself, and started to protest only, when You've lost? :D |
| 18:49.18 | ZogG_lap1op | if you accuse or go personal it doesn't matter if you do it too much or less, it's the point of you going personal |
| 18:49.21 | Estel_ | freemangordon, i'm doing better, yep? I've written two-liner. |
| 18:49.27 | freemangordon | ZogG_lap1op: it is not about the language itself, but the wording |
| 18:49.29 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: nope, i lost way before |
| 18:49.34 | freemangordon | Estel_: sure thing |
| 18:50.04 | Estel_ | I'm starting to get afraid of myself. soon, I'm going to write FU in 3 sentences :( |
| 18:50.27 | ZogG_lap1op | you see how it's easy to make a laugth and like you are big guy that i just bug, so you want friends protection as you insecure and you joke with him in the middle |
| 18:50.31 | ZogG_lap1op | nice touch =) |
| 18:50.50 | Estel_ | ZogG, haven't You though about going for vacation? i've heard, that weather is nice where You live. |
| 18:50.51 | freemangordon | ZogG_lap1op: I don;t know what nationality you are, but there is deffinitely a difference on how western/eastern people understand one and the same sentence |
| 18:51.05 | Estel_ | it's holiday seasons, You know |
| 18:51.31 | Estel_ | (3th sentence) You know that sitting before monitor and writing 3x A4 posts on TMO is unhealthy? Mind taking a short walk? |
| 18:51.49 | ZogG_lap1op | i actully leaved in few countries and had experience with people from different nations |
| 18:51.57 | ZogG_lap1op | wait on the phone with GF |
| 18:52.00 | ZogG_lap1op | brb |
| 18:52.09 | qwazix_ | freemangordon: True, when I'm abroad with friends they keep asking us why are we arguing while we're just having a conversation |
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| 18:52.21 | freemangordon | is going off just before GF gets mad, bbl |
| 18:52.34 | Estel_ | (slav mode on) ZogG, i jsut don't give a F***. i'm done with threads full of 4-5 people, that doesn't accept answrs and facts |
| 18:52.41 | Estel_ | see ya, freemangordon |
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| 18:53.51 | Estel_ | fun fact - I moved my ass, and calculated. turned out, that 70% of people protesting for CA have beeb candidates themselves. Whi9ch, of course, isn't any conflict of interest, at all ;() |
| 18:54.36 | Estel_ | especially, e-yes, who praised Community and Council in his submissions, yet, after losing, he posted one-liner about how he hate Council and Community. Hah! |
| 18:54.46 | Estel_ | ~botsnack |
| 18:54.56 | Sicelo | CA ftw \m/ |
| 18:54.57 | Estel_ | qwazix_, yea, it's common |
| 18:54.58 | Sicelo | lol |
| 18:55.15 | ZogG_lap1op | шэь ифсл |
| 18:55.18 | Estel_ | qwazix_, it's just difference of temper |
| 18:55.18 | ZogG_lap1op | i'm back |
| 18:56.17 | Estel_ | as You can see, we all missed, and waited. |
| 18:56.32 | Estel_ | holding our breath. |
| 18:56.38 | Estel_ | terrified. |
| 18:57.04 | Estel_ | if You haven't decide to get a short summer walk. you know, we wouldn't be able to sleep. |
| 18:57.19 | Estel_ | ok, enough of laughing around. |
| 18:57.23 | Estel_ | time for work! |
| 18:57.49 | ZogG_lap1op | i'm kinda slovacian related.i;m slavic |
| 18:58.13 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: you talk to much and again insult me |
| 18:58.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang commies |
| 18:58.15 | Sicelo | Estel_: what is the latest RE: what qgil asked for a while back .. a direction/vision for us ? |
| 18:58.28 | Estel_ | Sicelo, :D |
| 18:58.35 | Estel_ | yea, he should be carefull with what he wishes for |
| 18:58.40 | ZogG_lap1op | even if it's you language, i think you know it insult people as you stated above |
| 18:58.47 | Sicelo | hmm, ok |
| 18:58.49 | Estel_ | ZogG, i'm not insulting You. I just asked if You don't want to enjoy summer walk. |
| 18:59.02 | Estel_ | I'mcarrying about Your health, and You're aggressive? :( |
| 18:59.16 | ZogG_lap1op | i'll just post the log |
| 18:59.31 | Estel_ | no, please. We know how to use scrollback, for 4 lines above. |
| 18:59.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | who wants +q ? |
| 18:59.39 | Estel_ | or at least, do it in zerobin and post link |
| 18:59.44 | ZogG_lap1op | i mean at that thread |
| 18:59.53 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, me, I should work, instead of discussing about CA :( |
| 19:00.03 | Estel_ | thanks in advance |
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| 19:00.22 | ZogG_lap1op | i think it's not the first time here you have problems with that |
| 19:00.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | play nice, kids! |
| 19:00.45 | ZogG_lap1op | DocScrutinizer05: btw i think you kicked me once for a joke =) |
| 19:00.54 | Estel_ | yea, it's not the first time I waste my time discutting with ZogG, instead of working :D |
| 19:00.55 | ZogG_lap1op | anyway gonna post the log |
| 19:01.03 | Estel_ | *fanfares* |
| 19:01.34 | Estel_ | *moment of movie-like tension...* |
| 19:01.53 | Estel_ | is opening popcorn |
| 19:02.22 | Estel_ | think that this movie is boring, nothing happen for 2 minutes already |
| 19:03.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | you got no idea *how* boring, for miost of chan members, since at least 10 min |
| 19:03.31 | Sicelo | is still trying to parse your reply Estel_ :/ |
| 19:03.54 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, belive me, I have idea... i'm just trying to be kind, you know |
| 19:04.06 | Estel_ | Sicelo, it's possible that i've missunderstood You |
| 19:04.11 | Estel_ | care to rephrase question about qgil?> |
| 19:04.53 | Estel_ | vi__, ping |
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| 20:41.44 | qwazix_ | M4rtinK: hi, I've got a question if you don't mind... |
| 20:42.51 | M4rtinK | qwazix_: no problem, go ahead :) |
| 20:45.37 | qwazix_ | I'm trying to build glib from cordia project for harmattan for some hours now, but it complains that i don't have gtk-docs installed |
| 20:46.21 | ZogG_lap1op | M4rtinK: ping |
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| 20:46.48 | ZogG_lap1op | hmm is he cordia dev? |
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| 20:46.54 | ZogG_lap1op | qwazix_: ping |
| 20:47.00 | qwazix_ | crap, xchat crashed on me |
| 20:47.07 | ZogG_lap1op | is M4rtinK or you cordia devs? |
| 20:47.16 | qwazix_ | anyway, I tried --disable-gtk-doc |
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| 20:47.19 | M4rtinK | I think I just disabled it |
| 20:47.29 | qwazix_ | but it doesn't seem to do anything |
| 20:47.34 | ZogG_lap1op | =\ |
| 20:47.43 | qwazix_ | I also tried to build gtk-doc but I entered dependency hell |
| 20:47.46 | M4rtinK | IIRC, it was dragging in LaTeX as a dependency :) |
| 20:48.27 | qwazix_ | not me for sure, but I know M4rtinK compiled gtk for harmattan |
| 20:48.50 | M4rtinK | I actually ended just sublitting the Fremantle GTK package |
| 20:49.10 | qwazix_ | which brings me to the question, your gtk has MAEMO_CHANGES, would it work if I build hildon desktop against it? |
| 20:49.22 | M4rtinK | I tried upt to date version first (blew up on Gobject Introspection) |
| 20:49.29 | M4rtinK | then tried a less recent one |
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| 20:49.35 | M4rtinK | and ended with the Fremantle one |
| 20:49.58 | M4rtinK | I though about that too |
| 20:50.03 | M4rtinK | I actually tried to build it |
| 20:50.06 | ZogG_lap1op | so cordia is not related to none of you? |
| 20:50.13 | M4rtinK | but Hildon depends on clutter |
| 20:50.16 | M4rtinK | nope |
| 20:50.29 | M4rtinK | and Clutter needs some OpenGL stuff |
| 20:50.38 | M4rtinK | and I never got it to compile |
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| 20:50.53 | M4rtinK | co If you get clutter |
| 20:51.01 | freemangordon | ZogG_lap1op: what's wrong with you men? You want a flamewar or what? And the most important question: WHY? |
| 20:51.03 | M4rtinK | you might succeed with Hildon |
| 20:51.08 | qwazix_ | oh, I've got a hard time ahead. Do you remember how you disabled gtk-doc |
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| 20:51.16 | M4rtinK | hmm |
| 20:51.47 | M4rtinK | I remember disabling tests by deleting their folder in the makefile somewhere |
| 20:52.08 | M4rtinK | might be the same for docs |
| 20:52.38 | M4rtinK | I think I also hit the same issue, eq. options not taking effect |
| 20:52.52 | qwazix_ | I tried that, also tried deleting the check whether installed |
| 20:52.58 | ZogG_lap1op | freemangordon: actually i didnt want, but after no one cared and closed the eyes i wanted to go to end. i say what i think. it wasn't right but than it got worse |
| 20:53.14 | qwazix_ | but I get errors further down the process... |
| 20:53.20 | Venemo_N9 | what's wrong now? |
| 20:53.47 | qwazix_ | ok I'll try to purge the makefile from every reference to docs and see what happens |
| 20:53.48 | qwazix_ | thanks |
| 20:53.50 | ZogG_lap1op | Venemo_N9: not much read last posts. |
| 20:54.09 | Venemo_N9 | ZogG_lap1op, where? |
| 20:54.38 | ZogG_lap1op | Venemo_N9: on TMO |
| 20:54.58 | Venemo_N9 | omg, still talking about the council thing? |
| 20:56.52 | M4rtinK | qwazix_: BTW, the repositories from my fight with GTK are still online: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3AMartinK%3Aharmattan |
| 20:57.02 | M4rtinK | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3AMartinK%3Agtk |
| 20:57.11 | M4rtinK | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=home%3AMartinK%3Atesting |
| 20:57.25 | M4rtinK | hope it helps :) |
| 20:57.32 | M4rtinK | and good luck ! :) |
| 20:57.33 | ZogG_lap1op | Venemo_N9: yeah, it was brought up and i can't get passed and than everyone got seek in and than there was something between council that resolved one person somehow responsible for mess |
| 20:57.44 | Venemo_N9 | omg |
| 20:57.54 | Venemo_N9 | well, I threw in my opinion already. |
| 20:58.15 | M4rtinK | ZogG_lap1op: what about that translation ? :) |
| 20:59.34 | ZogG_lap1op | M4rtinK: oh you can see me now =) i'll do it this week, i promise, but ping me on #harmattan =) btw zogg@noicq.org is my jabber if you want to find me anytime =) |
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| 21:00.41 | M4rtinK | ZogG_lap1op: ok |
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| 21:04.00 | qwazix_ | M4rtinK: thanks :) |
| 21:04.49 | freemangordon | ZogG_lap1op: it does not make sence men. See, continuing that bullshit talk does help noone. Neither I can understand what YOU really want. And have in mind that I am smart enough and have good enough social skills to understand what is going on. Usually. |
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| 21:07.15 | ZogG_lap1op | freemangordon: i just got to point it's hard to stop - i agree, but it's was mine aim all the time. it's just the reaction and answers and ignorance i got for at the begging normal questions lead me here |
| 21:10.27 | ZogG_lap1op | s/was/wasn't/ |
| 21:10.35 | ZogG_lap1op | lol |
| 21:10.51 | ZogG_lap1op | made whole point wrong by saying one word wrong |
| 21:11.03 | freemangordon | ZogG_lap1op: :) I see. But frankly, do you really trust in that "conspiracy theory"? Come on. See, you were not there (on #maemo) when there was a lot of talk about CA, lots of time before the Council was elected. We were discussing it a lot and you 've missed it. Not that I am accusing you for that, but you just lack the background. |
| 21:12.41 | ZogG_lap1op | freemangordon: yeah i missed a lot on maemo lately as i was more on harmattan lately, and was less in maemo for a year or more |
| 21:12.51 | freemangordon | ZogG_lap1op: and yes, Estel has has said in one form or another that he will wait for the end of subbmissions period before he will decide whether to apply or not |
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| 21:13.09 | Venemo_N9 | aw, get over it man |
| 21:13.35 | ZogG_lap1op | freemangordon: and you just have to understand that it doesn't matter if it was talked about or not or whatever, it was just wrong thing to do. and after it was told once excuse from council would be not bad, they kept going with it |
| 21:14.56 | ZogG_lap1op | Venemo_N9: i hate to close eyes on thing, i was raised to tell in face and i;m stubborn =\ |
| 21:15.13 | freemangordon | because they are right, why it is so hard to understand? it was not the current council to decide the rules. |
| 21:15.52 | freemangordon | the rules were decided a good time befire the elections |
| 21:15.56 | freemangordon | *before |
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| 21:16.56 | ZogG_lap1op | freemangordon: what rules? |
| 21:17.25 | ZogG_lap1op | i don't believe councils i knew before would do that |
| 21:17.30 | freemangordon | ZogG_lap1op: the rules for CA |
| 21:17.54 | ZogG_lap1op | freemangordon: the rules of not judging yourself i think was way before internet =) |
| 21:18.14 | ZogG_lap1op | and i mean not judging like in spirital way =P |
| 21:18.20 | zeq | freemangordon: if you're working on rotation, shall I get the zoom rocker keys working? |
| 21:19.20 | freemangordon | zeq: unfortunately I am working on nothing mor but wasting my time :( |
| 21:19.45 | Venemo_N9 | ZogG_lap1op, that's ok. you told it, we agreed, we discussed :( |
| 21:19.49 | Venemo_N9 | :) :) |
| 21:20.02 | freemangordon | trying to convince some people thay are wrong on the internet :) |
| 21:20.05 | Venemo_N9 | so now let's finish it |
| 21:21.11 | zeq | Yeah, I just got back, and I've been reading the scrollback |
| 21:25.01 | zeq | I've got nothing to add to the discussion, I wasn't actively involved at the time, and frankly I think it's pretty embarrassing that some people can't let it go and move on. |
| 21:25.54 | zeq | But perhaps that's because I'm not emotionally invested. |
| 21:27.25 | ZogG_lap1op | Venemo_N9: that's the point that there were only 3 lines about it on meeting and it was like "okay okay just leave us" after that. |
| 21:27.41 | zeq | Hey, I wanted an N950 too, but you know what, the N900 is pretty good, and has been getting better for as long as I've had it. |
| 21:28.37 | ZogG_lap1op | zeq: it's not about me getting one |
| 21:28.38 | freemangordon | won't tlee what he will do with his N950, as ZogG_lap1op will post it on TMO in a couple of minutes :P |
| 21:28.44 | freemangordon | *tell |
| 21:29.14 | ZogG_lap1op | freemangordon: you already told =) |
| 21:29.21 | ZogG_lap1op | freemangordon: and logs are public anyway |
| 21:30.14 | ZogG_lap1op | and i don't care what you would do it |
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| 21:39.15 | user_ | Woody14619: ping |
| 21:40.53 | merlin1991 | was already wondering who's user_ |
| 21:41.23 | freemangordon | merlin1991: usually it is vi__ |
| 21:42.05 | vi_ | irc from 3 places. |
| 21:42.06 | ZogG_lap1op | what client does have it by default? =) |
| 21:42.27 | merlin1991 | any proper linux client? :D |
| 21:42.33 | merlin1991 | that runs on the n900? :D |
| 21:42.45 | ZogG_lap1op | merlin1991: irssi =) |
| 21:42.52 | vi_ | irssi is king. |
| 21:42.53 | ZogG_lap1op | merlin1991: i used xchat |
| 21:43.13 | vi_ | king like a square headlamp from a late eighties motorcycle. |
| 21:43.15 | ZogG_lap1op | there was adopted build afaik |
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| 21:44.07 | Estel_ | freemangordon, thangs a lot for being voice of reasonability... |
| 21:44.08 | Estel_ | But it's quite futile |
| 21:44.23 | Estel_ | we have this in Poland - even worse - something like 20 % of people "know" what is right and what is not |
| 21:44.31 | Estel_ | how "world" should look and how it doesnt look |
| 21:44.43 | Estel_ | and belive, that they way of seeining things is only one possible |
| 21:44.45 | qwazix_ | glib is finally compiling... let's see... |
| 21:44.54 | Estel_ | we even had prime minister like that, forutnately, only for 2 years :P |
| 21:44.55 | Sicelo | merlin1991: someone said quassel is best on N900. i use irssi though |
| 21:45.02 | Estel_ | before his own flamewars kicked him out |
| 21:45.04 | Estel_ | same here |
| 21:45.04 | ZogG_lap1op | coins has 2 sides |
| 21:45.07 | ZogG_lap1op | always |
| 21:45.18 | ZogG_lap1op | all yo ucan say can be assumed to you |
| 21:45.24 | Estel_ | ZogG, You're one big lack of integrity of what You're saying |
| 21:45.27 | Estel_ | first, You applied to CA |
| 21:45.29 | qwazix_ | yay! done :) |
| 21:45.39 | Estel_ | then, You say that You haven't followed TMO, mailing list, and IRc for more than 2 months, lol |
| 21:45.41 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: and? |
| 21:45.54 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: i send mail didn't read one |
| 21:45.55 | Estel_ | then, You come here and cry, that it isn't Your fault that You were not interested |
| 21:46.06 | Estel_ | no, I'm done with all post-CA discussions :) |
| 21:46.11 | merlin1991 | Sicelo: hehe |
| 21:46.23 | Estel_ | You know the difference? you act like mdoerate politic |
| 21:46.27 | merlin1991 | people seems to take a liking into moking me lately :D |
| 21:46.28 | Estel_ | and we act meritocrately |
| 21:46.37 | Estel_ | We judged submissions by meritr, not by "someone was councilor, or not" |
| 21:46.41 | ZogG_lap1op | even some councils didn't know how you explain it, but i'm tierd. you just can't accept it. and probably you the one in those 20% like you say |
| 21:46.46 | Estel_ | You would like to punish Councilors like they arer politics or whatnot |
| 21:46.55 | Estel_ | they're UNPAID VOLUNTEERS and were eglible to apply. period. |
| 21:47.03 | Estel_ | You would like to copy Your goverment soap opera |
| 21:47.08 | Estel_ | that concludes topic, for me. |
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| 21:47.26 | Estel_ | I suppose, that man judges by himself - you say that You think council couldn't judge other councilor's submission by merit |
| 21:47.33 | Estel_ | probably, You're talking, judging by howe YOU would do it. |
| 21:47.42 | Estel_ | We did it based on merit. End of message :P |
| 21:48.51 | dafox | hi all. Today I was/am playing with the dbus interface to the media player on my n900, and I found that for n9/n950 there is a dbus call to get information on the currently playing song (com.nokia.mafw.renderer.get_current_media_info). Does anyone know of something similar for n900's media player? |
| 21:48.59 | ZogG_lap1op | i'm stoping argue on last thing - i'm volutering my self in real life project, and i do it not to mock everyone that i'm volunteer, no one forced you, and if you decided to be council - great, but do it right, if you don't - don't do it. no one force you |
| 21:49.23 | Estel_ | ZogG, true. And no one have f*cking right to say that Councilor were not eglible to take part in CA |
| 21:49.31 | merlin1991 | dafox yes ther eis |
| 21:49.38 | Estel_ | just because you would like to copy buerocratic standards from real life politics |
| 21:49.43 | Estel_ | it's meritocracy, not politic. |
| 21:50.00 | Estel_ | We don't give a F* about if You think it's "moral" for You, or not. all is based on merit. |
| 21:50.04 | Sicelo | :\ |
| 21:50.10 | dafox | merlin1991: I know it broadcasts it on start/stop/song change etc, but is there a way to get it 'on demand'? |
| 21:50.20 | merlin1991 | see http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Media_Application_Framework_%28MAFW%29 |
| 21:50.23 | merlin1991 | might be in there |
| 21:50.42 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: you saying two opposite things in one sentence and you promied to stop talking about it, it's time to =) |
| 21:50.56 | Estel_ | just out of curiosity, what is opposite?:) |
| 21:52.08 | ZogG_lap1op | 1)we don't give a F*,2) we volunteer and moral |
| 21:52.21 | Estel_ | As far as I'm concerned, I just told Yuo, that we don't care if it's morla for You - we, and communioty that decided about Ca LONG before I was councilor, decided that Council will judge submissions by merit, no matter if submitter is councilor or not. |
| 21:52.24 | Estel_ | yes. |
| 21:52.29 | Estel_ | We don't give a fuck about Your morality. |
| 21:52.49 | dafox | merlin1991: I saw that page, but it was about the c/python bindings (I'm just playing around with dbus, I have a tiny sh script done atm for just start/stop etc, which is all I need) |
| 21:52.50 | ZogG_lap1op | so you only care about your particular? |
| 21:52.56 | Estel_ | Communtiy decided, that council will manage to judge submissions by merit, and don't give a F* again, about if someone is councilor, former councilor, or Council hater |
| 21:53.13 | Estel_ | no, I care about what was meritocratily decided months ago |
| 21:53.15 | merlin1991 | dafox: sorry I thought that was the page describin the dbus calls |
| 21:53.21 | Estel_ | not, few buthurts kid try to impose their morality on everyone |
| 21:53.21 | merlin1991 | gimme a few mins to find the proper one :D |
| 21:53.28 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: you can't not to do it, it's human nature =) if you say i wouldn't it still doesn't work |
| 21:53.43 | Estel_ | ZogG, basically irrelevant. |
| 21:53.50 | ZogG_lap1op | and afaik other council told you actually decided not to judge if you submit |
| 21:53.54 | dafox | merlin1991: I think you may have meant this page then: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Media_player |
| 21:54.11 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: it is relevant, as you say we as council, but it's your words not all the council's |
| 21:54.13 | vi_ | dafox: media palyer info does appear on dbus but it is totally banana |
| 21:54.25 | Estel_ | what is rellevant is a) there was procedure to decide who will judge b) there was discussion on judges judging themselves, if You like Yoiur stupid comparision to civil trials c) it's Your fuckin fault that You haven't protested, until You lost CA yourself |
| 21:54.39 | Estel_ | ZogG, what a BS? |
| 21:54.43 | Estel_ | where You took that from? |
| 21:54.47 | Estel_ | whole Council took part in deciding. |
| 21:54.53 | vi_ | there is a python wrapper that lets you make dbus call and requests. |
| 21:55.10 | Estel_ | vi_, You bastard, You're against me too? Even after those chjicks and money You send me to get N950? |
| 21:55.14 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: from post of one of the councils, read the thread |
| 21:55.21 | Estel_ | oh, it was meant to be private ;) |
| 21:55.31 | vi_ | !! |
| 21:55.35 | ZogG_lap1op | oh riiiight |
| 21:55.40 | Sicelo | wtf! |
| 21:55.44 | ZogG_lap1op | jokes again when out of arguments |
| 21:55.45 | Sicelo | 0.9 |
| 21:55.46 | Estel_ | ZogG, Council answered to this bullshit days ago. I don't answer for personal opinions or confusion of SD69. |
| 21:55.48 | ZogG_lap1op | you are total lost man |
| 21:55.52 | Estel_ | nope. |
| 21:55.58 | dafox | vi_ yes, but since I just have a small sh script I don't want to listen on dbus the whole time, as it just invokes the dbus calls from that wiki page to start/stop/next/previous the media player. I just thought it might be nice to also have an 'info' command to show some current information |
| 21:56.04 | Estel_ | ZogG, didn't noticed You're not only one that I discuss with? |
| 21:56.09 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: so why your answer is official and his is personal? |
| 21:56.12 | Sicelo | jeez... that pm .. |
| 21:56.21 | Estel_ | you're not center of univers,e your fuckin hypocritic morality won't be thrown on others. Get used to that. |
| 21:56.36 | Estel_ | ZogG, not my. He answered to, in nowe closed thread |
| 21:56.37 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: i don't claim myself, you do |
| 21:56.55 | vi_ | dafox: Yes it would be nice, I even tried once but without the wrapper it is very hard. |
| 21:57.01 | Estel_ | so, lets have fun and go through this meritocratily, step by step: |
| 21:57.02 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: and how it makes that answer more official than last one? |
| 21:57.06 | Estel_ | tell me, on which point You have problem |
| 21:57.22 | Estel_ | 1. on april it was decided who will judge CA, and how councilors will be allowed to submit there |
| 21:57.32 | vi_ | you have to set up a 'tempory' dbus monitor to catch the info then you have to parse and arrange it nicely. |
| 21:57.35 | Estel_ | it was discussed on mailing list, TMO, and IRc, before election |
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| 21:57.46 | Estel_ | now, after point 1 - tell me what You don't get here. |
| 21:57.49 | dafox | vi_: hard or impossible? I mean, does such a call even exist for n900, or is the only way to listen for the song change notifications? (the wrapper could be listening all the time) |
| 21:57.57 | vi_ | Estel_: let it go. zogg is the new abill. |
| 21:57.59 | Estel_ | we will work this out, I'll explain everything to you like Good Father to childs. |
| 21:58.02 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: at you submitting and judging and than when was asked the way you acted and attacked people and than at meeting you suggest ignore and didn't give a f, and now saying you don't give a f |
| 21:58.05 | Estel_ | vi_, I know |
| 21:58.11 | Estel_ | that's why i'm starving him by going point through point |
| 21:58.19 | Estel_ | ZogG, please answer my question. |
| 21:58.21 | ZogG_lap1op | lol |
| 21:58.30 | Estel_ | I've described You point 1, and i'm asking what You don't get from it |
| 21:58.55 | ZogG_lap1op | starving me? i find it funny how people with luck of arguments adn trolls using the word troll just to prove they are right =) |
| 21:59.04 | Estel_ | could you, please, focus on merit and answer my question? |
| 21:59.06 | ZogG_lap1op | facts man, re-check the thread |
| 21:59.15 | Estel_ | I've formulated point 1, because we can';t discuss all things at once. |
| 21:59.27 | Estel_ | could you, please, answer what You don't understand from point 1? |
| 21:59.42 | Estel_ | <Estel_> 1. on april it was decided who will judge CA, and how councilors will be allowed to submit there |
| 21:59.43 | Sicelo | takes his black a** to bed. seems this CA was some poisoned gift. eew |
| 21:59.44 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: i described you all my points few times, i'm tiered to repeat them. you answers are not related at all anyway |
| 21:59.53 | Estel_ | <Estel_> it was discussed on mailing list, TMO, and IRc, before election |
| 22:00.03 | Estel_ | you're tired? I answered them much more times, that You've asked |
| 22:00.04 | vi_ | guys I have created #ca-ranting for this. |
| 22:00.05 | Estel_ | so either You discuss like adult |
| 22:00.12 | Estel_ | or go FU You. |
| 22:00.24 | Estel_ | we're dissasermbling it to simple points, oficially |
| 22:00.33 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: if you make wrong decision it is still wrong |
| 22:00.34 | vi_ | Estel_: chill out. |
| 22:00.42 | Estel_ | either You want to discuss what You don't udnerstand from every poi9nts, or You're just troll that want flamewar, nothing more. |
| 22:00.50 | Estel_ | ZogG, define You. |
| 22:00.51 | ZogG_lap1op | and i see few councils thought it would be different or one of you lies |
| 22:01.00 | Estel_ | vi_, i'm in chillout state, I actually have much fun doing it |
| 22:01.12 | Estel_ | ZogG, who is You? community, that decided on april? |
| 22:02.21 | Estel_ | so, you impose, that You know better how Community should acted, and that it acted wrong? |
| 22:02.21 | ZogG_lap1op | how is it releated when it was decided and how if the decision was wrong any way |
| 22:02.21 | Estel_ | because Community decided via mailing list, TMo, and IRC |
| 22:02.21 | Estel_ | on april. |
| 22:02.22 | Estel_ | You imply, that You know better, and Community decision is void, because *You* think that it's wrong? |
| 22:02.27 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: as it was mentioned people told that it's not a good idea on irc and on tmo |
| 22:02.36 | ZogG_lap1op | and a lot just didn't check those |
| 22:02.41 | Estel_ | nope. 1 person did 1 one liner |
| 22:02.44 | Estel_ | geneven on TMO |
| 22:02.45 | ZogG_lap1op | it still doesn't make you right. |
| 22:02.50 | Estel_ | if You have other sources, please link me to it. |
| 22:03.04 | ZogG_lap1op | it's like sayying i said i'll kill him, so i told, you had chance to stop me |
| 22:03.09 | ZogG_lap1op | how it makes it better? |
| 22:03.14 | freemangordon | vi_: WOW, you're asking someone to chill out? What date is it today :P |
| 22:03.21 | Estel_ | ZogG, unrelated. community decided. you're no one to judge Community decisions, and request changing them. |
| 22:04.00 | Estel_ | it's basically unrelated, if You like or not, what was decided. It was, and that is sense of point 1. |
| 22:04.02 | vi_ | it just frustrates me to see all this happening on my favourite forum. |
| 22:04.15 | Estel_ | And I'm not trying to attack you personally - i'm just stating facts, it's not relaterd if You or me like it |
| 22:04.20 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: the point is that it is ended on TMO and enuf people understood who are you and how you act. what else i want to discuss with you? i think nothing. i think it only proves or you are ego person or "it's only you right one" and world is broken |
| 22:04.43 | Estel_ | I'm ego person, because I commit my own time to discuss it with You, point by point? |
| 22:04.45 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: what is community? |
| 22:05.04 | trx | i have no idea what this is about and i dont care, but can #maemo return its focus to Maemo? please? :) |
| 22:05.11 | Estel_ | Community? Participants of discussions, going thourhg mailing list, TMo, IRC, contributors... |
| 22:05.13 | ZogG_lap1op | you think people here are not community? people on TMO who said it was conflict of interests are not community? |
| 22:05.22 | Estel_ | ZogG, no, Youre on june |
| 22:05.26 | Estel_ | and we're stikll on april |
| 22:05.40 | GeneralAntilles | trx+++ |
| 22:05.46 | Estel_ | it seems that You can't construct any meritocratic argument about "why decision amde by Community on april is null and void" |
| 22:05.48 | Estel_ | lets go to point 2 |
| 22:05.51 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.06 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: i talk about same people including #harmattan and #maemo and TMO, all those who speak up and shared thanks on my posts. and few of them contributed a lot |
| 22:06.07 | Estel_ | 2. CA rules are announced, 5 days latter Ca starts. Rules are announced again, via mailing list, news, TMO, and IRC |
| 22:06.09 | trx | yeah, listen to GeneralAntilles ! :) |
| 22:06.31 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, please, give us a ten minutes to resolve this once for aLL, civil |
| 22:06.38 | Estel_ | I'm going with him point through point :) |
| 22:06.49 | ZogG_lap1op | you still mised first point |
| 22:06.54 | Estel_ | ZogG, anything You don't understand or don't agree about point 2? |
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| 22:07.08 | Estel_ | no worries, we will address Your points in ~point 4 |
| 22:07.10 | ZogG_lap1op | i just told it doesn't matter how many times and where you told it, the decision was wrong. |
| 22:07.15 | ZogG_lap1op | it's just pointless |
| 22:07.21 | Estel_ | ZogG, and I ask You, who You're to judge it. |
| 22:07.30 | Estel_ | it wasn't my decidions, personal. It was how communtiy decided it to be. |
| 22:07.33 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: and who are you to judge? |
| 22:07.38 | Estel_ | if You don't have any problems with point 2, lets move to point 3 |
| 22:08.04 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: so it wasn;t your decision and you was forced to submit? |
| 22:08.15 | Estel_ | 3. Ca runs for 3 weeks, people, including You, send submissions,m so they know rules etc. Councilors send submissions too, everything in public, via mailing list. No one protests. It's also known who will judge and how. |
| 22:08.19 | Estel_ | any problems with point 3? |
| 22:08.38 | Estel_ | of course I submitted on my own, because Community decided that it's ok on point 1, Arpil :) |
| 22:08.47 | ZogG_lap1op | or you the first to make decision to submit and you knew it may have problems later, i saw your post on TMO yesterday =) |
| 22:08.58 | Estel_ | It was my proposition to make councilors uneglible to take part in Ca, but to my pleasant surprise, Communtiy decided otherwise. |
| 22:09.10 | Estel_ | nope, I submitted last. |
| 22:09.17 | Estel_ | but I never told anyone that I won't submit |
| 22:09.22 | Estel_ | in fact, it was known from April, that I will |
| 22:09.28 | Estel_ | jsut like 4 others Councilors |
| 22:09.29 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: but you asked to do it, and you just don;t take opportunity to being council and judge without getting phone in any way? |
| 22:09.43 | Raimu | opens the #maemo window and quickly runs away |
| 22:09.45 | Estel_ | we've asked Community and Qgil on mailing list, if it's ok, again, and beginning of May |
| 22:09.58 | Estel_ | ok, point 4 |
| 22:10.04 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: it is 3 other as Woody14619 told straight and understood what it is |
| 22:10.21 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: you go alone i see with point system ) |
| 22:10.30 | Estel_ | 4. CA results are announced - msot participants, both winners and not, are satisfied and congratulate. Few people who have submitted - and few, who have not - start outcry about how wrong it was for Council to win and judge at the same time |
| 22:10.33 | Estel_ | fair enough? |
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| 22:10.44 | ZogG_lap1op | say yourself agree with yourself, than talk to yourself man ) |
| 22:11.01 | Estel_ | now, point 1, 2 and 3 give clear results, that problems of people from point 4 are void. |
| 22:11.13 | Estel_ | man, be civil. |
| 22:11.27 | ZogG_lap1op | you are lost man, and i don't see any chance thru your ignorance |
| 22:11.29 | Estel_ | Either form correct accusations, or agree, that Your outcry is butthurt. |
| 22:11.41 | ZogG_lap1op | you like cartman that tells stories and believe in them =) |
| 22:11.43 | ZogG_lap1op | it's amusing |
| 22:11.45 | Estel_ | why? Because I spent last 15 minutes, going with You point through point? |
| 22:11.48 | ZogG_lap1op | takes out popcorn |
| 22:11.53 | ZogG_lap1op | continue |
| 22:12.25 | Estel_ | nothing to continue, we've gone through 4 points. Either You form valid points, where something was done other way than community decided... |
| 22:12.34 | Estel_ | Or You're just butthurt kid, that like flamewar, and nothing else. |
| 22:12.46 | ZogG_lap1op | patent your point system please |
| 22:12.55 | ZogG_lap1op | people might still it and make mney |
| 22:12.59 | ZogG_lap1op | money* |
| 22:13.00 | Estel_ | sure thing, I will call it "how to starce trolls in 4 easy steps" |
| 22:13.07 | Estel_ | s/starce/starve/ |
| 22:13.17 | ZogG_lap1op | lol, call it self diet of troll =) |
| 22:13.24 | Estel_ | also called "merit, merit, merit, and merit - 4 points to heavens" |
| 22:13.45 | Estel_ | now I hope that you will stop spreading FUD about how Councilors didn't wanted to talk with You. |
| 22:13.47 | Estel_ | and explain You. |
| 22:13.51 | Estel_ | and answer You. |
| 22:13.54 | ZogG_lap1op | you talk too much about your merit and how you are so worthy |
| 22:14.02 | ZogG_lap1op | i hope you don;t get horny just saying it |
| 22:14.04 | Estel_ | if You feel that You got enough attention to stop being butthurt loser, we can officialy close it :) |
| 22:14.26 | ZogG_lap1op | i'm not loser, you are =) |
| 22:14.28 | Estel_ | please, be civil. sexual allusions in civil discussioon? Blee. |
| 22:14.46 | Estel_ | oh, I feel so touched by Your argumentums ad persona :( chanop, please! |
| 22:14.54 | ZogG_lap1op | i feel pitty for you mighty Estel_ the king of merit and justice and community spirit =) |
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| 22:15.13 | ZogG_lap1op | lol |
| 22:15.20 | Estel_ | it's really dishearting, that You're calling names, when we had such civil and merit discussion :( |
| 22:15.20 | ZogG_lap1op | there is no report button |
| 22:15.23 | ZogG_lap1op | i'm sorry |
| 22:15.35 | freemangordon | ZogG_lap1op: stop it, please |
| 22:15.48 | freemangordon | I beg you |
| 22:15.57 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: looool wooot, who is loser, butthurt kid and other words you say and than you assume me, nice way to go point sytem =) |
| 22:15.58 | Estel_ | or freemangordon will die of either laugh or sadness. |
| 22:16.10 | ZogG_lap1op | speak for yourself |
| 22:16.20 | ZogG_lap1op | freemangordon: ok man, it's just funny |
| 22:16.23 | freemangordon | sadness is the word, but that is not the point |
| 22:16.37 | Estel_ | *tadaam!* after 4 points and a little calling names, our Theatre is closed! Please pay for tickets in offices. |
| 22:16.54 | freemangordon | ZogG_lap1op: no, it is not, atl least for me |
| 22:17.26 | Estel_ | Now, I promise, I will *never* ever discuss with any butthurt kid about Ca results. i'll drop them link to logs from this irc discussion, instead :P |
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| 22:17.35 | Estel_ | freemangordon, morning ;) |
| 22:18.14 | ZogG_lap1op | Estel_: please do it |
| 22:18.48 | vi_ | STOP |
| 22:18.52 | vi_ | ENOUGH |
| 22:18.53 | Estel_ | Can't we stay friends after all? <sweet magenta flowers with Satan inside> |
| 22:19.08 | vi_ | CEASE AND DESIST |
| 22:19.14 | Estel_ | null and void :P |
| 22:19.34 | vi_ | this has decended into BS and ad hominem. |
| 22:20.03 | Estel_ | I'kk give You flowers in the morning... *swee voice* |
| 22:20.05 | Woody14619 | vi_ Just now you're noticing this? :P Btw: Pong. :) |
| 22:20.08 | RiD | potatos |
| 22:20.31 | vi_ | Woody14619: I was going to say fuck dem haterz. |
| 22:20.50 | Estel_ | vi_, luke-jr molested You about selling Your N950? |
| 22:20.55 | Estel_ | I saw him pinging You :P |
| 22:21.13 | vi_ | yeah, he wants one. Who can blame him. |
| 22:21.31 | Estel_ | absolutely no one. If he can save spare 20k dollars, who knows, maybe he will manage to buy one. |
| 22:21.35 | Estel_ | not from me, of course. |
| 22:22.10 | vi_ | I told him I would trade it for a road lega 2 stroke motorcross bike. |
| 22:22.13 | Estel_ | i'll sell it for 2 millions after 1- years, and send postcard to ZogG |
| 22:22.19 | Estel_ | hahaha |
| 22:22.29 | vi_ | Estel_: STOP ffs. |
| 22:22.34 | Estel_ | jokng, man |
| 22:22.39 | Estel_ | joking* |
| 22:23.05 | Estel_ | but You're right, I'll be better sending postcard to Arie |
| 22:23.31 | ZogG_lap1op | hope is lost |
| 22:23.31 | Estel_ | ok, enough. Stop drinking ;) |
| 22:23.43 | Estel_ | vi_, have You seen Homeworld for N900, recent port? |
| 22:23.54 | Estel_ | I would never belive, that we can have something like this re |
| 22:23.59 | Estel_ | running solely on CPU |
| 22:24.03 | Estel_ | at max details, etc |
| 22:24.50 | Estel_ | freemangordon, any chance to run SDL program on external monitor, via mentioned RPi method? |
| 22:24.58 | Estel_ | or is it like Maemo Ui, no chance? |
| 22:25.16 | Estel_ | SDL sounds quite low-level. |
| 22:25.43 | freemangordon | Estel_: morning |
| 22:25.53 | Estel_ | and we have already some hits, like Jaggec Alliance 2 or civilization or Homeworld running via SDL |
| 22:25.55 | freemangordon | NFS what SDL is :) |
| 22:26.11 | Estel_ | http://www.libsdl.org/ |
| 22:26.16 | freemangordon | nad besides half-life I am not much into gaming |
| 22:26.28 | Estel_ | direct media layer, that runs on everything, including N900 |
| 22:26.34 | Estel_ | freemangordon, haha, noticed by Your nickname |
| 22:27.07 | Estel_ | well, if something is ported to unix-like systems, either by re-writing engine, or becausew released sources etc, you can take it for granted, that it's SDL |
| 22:27.29 | freemangordon | but afaik ivgalvez was an SDL and/or games guru. could be wring of course |
| 22:27.39 | freemangordon | *wrong |
| 22:27.42 | Estel_ | wuut? I must ask him |
| 22:27.44 | Estel_ | thanks |
| 22:29.00 | freemangordon | I thint there are several threads on TMO he is announcing some new games. Have in mind I might be wrong |
| 22:29.05 | freemangordon | *thin |
| 22:29.07 | freemangordon | aaah |
| 22:29.14 | freemangordon | THINK |
| 22:29.19 | freemangordon | damn |
| 22:35.08 | Estel_ | erm, wasn't it szopin or aapoRantalainen? Especially the latter did SDL |
| 22:35.13 | Estel_ | anyway, i'll ask |
| 22:35.29 | freemangordon | hmm, both of them iirc |
| 22:35.31 | Estel_ | BTw, good luck on CSSU meeting :) Keeping my thumbs |
| 22:36.05 | Estel_ | means that ifYou're wanting to say even 1% of things I think You want to say, then it's worth saying. haha! |
| 22:37.25 | freemangordon | I told you I have a lot of experience in saying bullshit :P. I could be nearly as good as the natives :D |
| 22:37.58 | freemangordon | On the serious not: I was thinking it will be a good Idea a part of the council to participate |
| 22:38.02 | freemangordon | *note |
| 22:38.11 | merlin1991 | hm? |
| 22:38.38 | SpeedEvil | has been rereading the Harry Dresden books, featuring the white council. |
| 22:38.49 | merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: they are awesome :D |
| 22:38.56 | SpeedEvil | has found this occasionally amusing while reading the threads and comments above. |
| 22:38.58 | merlin1991 | though later in the series it gets rather weird |
| 22:39.17 | freemangordon | (and that part excludes you Estel_, I really don't want you and DocScrutinizer05 arguing there :P) |
| 22:39.18 | SpeedEvil | The notion of the maemo council being able to behead people they don't like :) |
| 22:40.15 | Estel_ | freemangordon, good idea, jsut drop us a date that You agree on, ok? |
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| 22:40.29 | vi_ | SDL was 'fixed'/ported to n900 by javispedro I think. |
| 22:40.32 | Estel_ | freemangordon, no problem, but me and DocScrutinizer are kind like newly married |
| 22:41.33 | freemangordon | Estel_: it is merlin1991 you have to ask for the date |
| 22:41.33 | Estel_ | we don't argue anymore |
| 22:41.34 | vi_ | It was one of the 'J' named guys. |
| 22:41.34 | Estel_ | thanks, vi_ |
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| 22:41.34 | Estel_ | freemangordon, or You've settled up on date and time, and I missed that? |
| 22:41.41 | vi_ | think of it like directX but cross platform and not closed source. |
| 22:41.48 | Estel_ | I'll try to "assign" (i.e. ask for participate) someon e else, but it may turn out that i'll be only one available |
| 22:41.58 | vi_ | higher level than opengl. |
| 22:41.59 | Estel_ | freemangordon, OK |
| 22:42.12 | Estel_ | vi_, are you sure about higher level? |
| 22:42.20 | ZogG_lap1op | SpeedEvil: :) |
| 22:42.22 | Estel_ | afaik it's exclusive with open gel, or at least, opengles |
| 22:42.22 | vi_ | Estel_: no |
| 22:42.31 | freemangordon | Estel_: NFC, I am wating a mil, but I am sure if Council asks merlin1991 he will CC you too |
| 22:42.45 | Estel_ | ok. |
| 22:42.50 | Estel_ | merlin1991, ping |
| 22:42.56 | merlin1991 | pong |
| 22:43.08 | vi_ | which way around is it again? |
| 22:43.08 | vi_ | yes, I am sure. |
| 22:43.13 | Estel_ | Could You, please, send Councilors a mail, when You settle up for date and time for next CSSU meeting? |
| 22:43.14 | vi_ | (assembler is at the bottom, the lowest.) |
| 22:43.33 | Estel_ | i.e. the official one, mentioned by freemangordon |
| 22:45.27 | Estel_ | merlin1991, lokks like You're scrolling through backlog and checking why the heck do I want info?:P |
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| 22:46.36 | *** join/#maemo user (~user@31.113.163.14) |
| 22:46.50 | user | ~botsnack |
| 22:46.50 | infobot | thanks, user |
| 22:47.10 | freemangordon | vi_: stop feeding that troll please |
| 22:47.30 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 22:47.44 | vi___ | sorry, I could not tell if I was actually connected. |
| 22:48.02 | vi___ | poor reception on this misappropriated wifi. |
| 22:48.17 | FIQ|n900 | ~ping |
| 22:48.17 | infobot | ~pong |
| 22:48.26 | FIQ|n900 | ~pong |
| 22:48.27 | infobot | ~ping |
| 22:48.30 | FIQ|n900 | heh |
| 22:48.36 | Estel_ | ~die |
| 22:48.43 | FIQ|n900 | what if a clone were connected... |
| 22:48.57 | dsfdsf | ~die |
| 22:48.57 | infobot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 22:49.19 | dsfdsf | ~assasinate <you know who> |
| 22:49.25 | dsfdsf | ~murder <you know who> |
| 22:49.25 | infobot | ACTION shoots <you know who> in his sleep |
| 22:49.43 | qwazix_ | I've hit a wall... Why the hell would a dev package from the SDK repo throw syntax errors? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1227993&postcount=61 |
| 22:50.03 | Estel_ | qwazix_, no idea, but Your work is outstanding, too. |
| 22:50.13 | Estel_ | woot? |
| 22:51.09 | qwazix_ | thanks, hope I reach some result, I'd love to make the N950 a new N900 |
| 22:52.00 | vi___ | when did gerbick become so depressing? Did his wife just leave him? |
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| 22:53.17 | vi___ | ~wisdom is the domain of the wizz, which is now extinct. |
| 22:53.17 | infobot | ...but wisdom is already something else... |
| 22:53.27 | vi___ | ~wisdom |
| 22:53.27 | infobot | rumour has it, wisdom is http://double-chinned.mirror.waffleimages.com/data/d8/d881c8b68df1bc81c582650da8a86cc4d1b0930e.jpg |
| 22:53.56 | vi___ | ~beauty |
| 22:53.56 | infobot | well, beauty is in the eye of the beer holder... |
| 22:54.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | beauty is not wisdom |
| 22:54.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | wisdom is not love |
| 22:54.23 | vi___ | damn you doc |
| 22:54.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | love is not music, MUSIC is the *BEST* |
| 22:54.33 | vi___ | you have locked all the nibbles |
| 22:54.53 | vi___ | !!! |
| 22:55.34 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer05: you have 10 seconds. What was FZ best album? |
| 22:55.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | zoot allures |
| 22:55.58 | vi___ | controversial |
| 22:56.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, 2s over |
| 22:56.36 | vi___ | brb, 8 hours unconcious. |
| 22:59.56 | chem|st | Estel_: you cannot just let it be that you are wrong you have to rub it in and show everyone you are above anyone, do you? (mailinglist) |
| 23:00.50 | Estel_ | chem|st, dafuq? |
| 23:01.20 | Estel_ | IIRc my last mail to mailing list was summing where we announced Ca results, and answering tp Andree, that if it didn't landed in mailing list, it was mistake |
| 23:01.32 | Estel_ | reffering to something, or just dropped here to call me names? |
| 23:01.58 | chem|st | Estel_: a "thanks, we did forget about posting to mailinglist as we are not used to using it" is the right answer |
| 23:02.10 | Estel_ | w00t? |
| 23:02.17 | chem|st | Estel_: exactly, it was discussed... |
| 23:02.23 | Estel_ | I don't get You man, sorry, but I haven't written any Bs like that |
| 23:02.37 | Estel_ | andre mentioned, that Ca results wer enot announced 2 mailing list |
| 23:02.59 | Estel_ | and I answered, that it was announced on news, TMO, IRC, Council blog, and if it didn't landed on mailing lsit, it's, indeed, our mistake... |
| 23:03.07 | Estel_ | but nothing like we wanted to hide it or somethikng |
| 23:03.12 | Estel_ | it's literally, almost full quotation of my mail |
| 23:03.14 | chem|st | Estel_: you defended... in a situation you should admit... |
| 23:03.39 | Estel_ | chem|st, I still don't get You, but, as mailing list is public, i'm sure everyone can make own opinion. IMO, there wasn't any conflict there |
| 23:03.49 | Estel_ | I agreed with Andre, that if didn't landed on ML, it was mistake |
| 23:03.54 | Estel_ | and told him, where we posted it |
| 23:03.59 | Estel_ | got any problem with it? 0_o? |
| 23:04.12 | chem|st | Estel_: your attitude yes |
| 23:04.29 | Estel_ | *shrugs* in which part of my mail do you have problem about attitude? |
| 23:04.32 | Estel_ | qutoations, please. |
| 23:04.37 | Estel_ | not to mentionm that i don' |
| 23:04.46 | Estel_ | t see much sense in discussing it public on #maemo, but, whatever |
| 23:04.57 | chem|st | you are defending! |
| 23:05.08 | Estel_ | who? from what? |
| 23:05.14 | Estel_ | quotes, please. |
| 23:05.21 | Estel_ | i'm tired of talking without quotes, links, and merits. |
| 23:05.24 | chem|st | admitting that it was a mistake, fine, but then you defend like it does not matter |
| 23:05.40 | chem|st | Estel_: there are 2 emails, you read both... |
| 23:05.43 | Estel_ | ok, so you basically think it was wrong, that I mentioned where Ca results were announced... |
| 23:05.55 | chem|st | Estel_: what do you need quotations of your own mail? |
| 23:05.59 | Estel_ | in addition to admitting, that *if8 it didn';t landed in mailing list, it was mistake? |
| 23:06.11 | Estel_ | if it's what You want, I still don't get Your problem, honestly. |
| 23:06.35 | Estel_ | I think that it's absolutely approriate to mention, where results are to be found, if someone got problems finding it, or feel not informed. |
| 23:07.02 | Estel_ | also, due to latest events, it's very important to makr, that no one wanted to hide results, and, that, in fact, results were available, generally, everywhere |
| 23:07.35 | Estel_ | chem|st, form your attitude, it seems that You have personal problems with me. Not that I care - mind You - but i don't necessary like You attacking me like that, on #maemo. |
| 23:07.40 | chem|st | Estel_: not in this way, appropriate would be what I wrote above |
| 23:07.45 | Woody14619 | is off for a bit to reboot |
| 23:08.22 | Estel_ | After ignoring 30 pages long thread full of insults and bold words, You've granted me "20 insomething" points, for writing that "As per my knowlenge, are is not liked in harmattan, yet, he self imposed himself as a voice of Harmattan" |
| 23:08.25 | Estel_ | have I came here |
| 23:08.28 | Estel_ | and cry about it |
| 23:08.34 | Estel_ | demanding strange explanations from You? |
| 23:08.55 | Estel_ | Please, mind your business with moderating TMO, not only in situations, where You need to mark your existence. |
| 23:09.18 | Estel_ | my reply on mailing list was justified, Polite, and no one except You seem to have problem with it, starting with personthat it was addressed to |
| 23:09.28 | Estel_ | So please, spare me this BS. All right? |
| 23:11.17 | chem|st | Estel_: watch it, I am sick of you defending your position as solely right when you are bad-ass wrong |
| 23:12.11 | chem|st | I note you down that your response was inappropriate and did it here instead of ignoring it or flaming you on the ML |
| 23:13.09 | Estel_ | nice, point took. I keep my right to disagree with you, totally. |
| 23:13.35 | Estel_ | I have nothing against You flaming it on mailing list - i'm sure others would act approriately, and flame your unjustified accusations, in response |
| 23:13.52 | Estel_ | lets leave it like that, and go back to our business. |
| 23:15.07 | chem|st | Estel_: for tmo, you earned those points long before and I just held back as noone reported you (blind eyes), this time you got reported |
| 23:15.34 | freemangordon | Estel_: you're overreacting man, chill out |
| 23:15.51 | RiD | too much coffee |
| 23:16.27 | Estel_ | freemangordon, not exactly.nnot exactly. see: |
| 23:16.27 | Estel_ | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-June/005520.html |
| 23:16.37 | Estel_ | and tell me, where ion those 4 lines, I did something inapproriate. |
| 23:17.08 | Estel_ | of course, everyone is entitled to have own opinion, but i'll keep my right to not allow forcing it on me. |
| 23:18.06 | Estel_ | chem|st, honestly, I don't care much 0 I udnerstand, that as moderator, you has to mark that You exist there at all, after ignoring this shitstorm topic, where everyone used worst names on everyone (especially, onCa contributors and winners) |
| 23:18.19 | Estel_ | You wanted to assign me some points - no problem |
| 23:18.27 | freemangordon | Estel_: it is your right to behave in a way you find apprropriate, I was just expressing my thoughts |
| 23:18.34 | Estel_ | but I haven't started to pester You about it on irc, pm, or anywhere |
| 23:18.43 | Estel_ | freemangordon, I understand |
| 23:18.57 | Estel_ | probably, maybe i'm really allergic for post Ca accusations :) |
| 23:19.03 | Estel_ | alergy - overreactivity :) |
| 23:19.22 | Estel_ | I'm just honest guy, probably to honest for some. |
| 23:19.46 | zeq | freemangordon: I've got most of the zoom key support in, also put in the PORTRAIT_MODE atom while I was at it, but currently protected by #if 0, until we fix it. |
| 23:19.52 | chem|st | Estel_: feeling guilty? |
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| 23:19.58 | freemangordon | Estel_, I am honest too, but being honest is not the same as being rude |
| 23:20.06 | Estel_ | so chem|st, I think that I have much more merit to pester You for inapproriate reactions or lack for, yet, I didn't then you come here, and tell me, that it was wrong from my side to mention, where Ca results were announced? |
| 23:20.17 | chem|st | grabs popcorn and becomes seated comfy |
| 23:20.42 | freemangordon | Estel_: chill out, please |
| 23:20.45 | Estel_ | You were writing about popcorn, when people were calling CA winners - not only councilors "corrupted, retards", etc. I've seen logs from your comments. |
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| 23:21.09 | freemangordon | Estel_: I was called a liar. So what? |
| 23:21.11 | Estel_ | then, you come and play "moderator", and later play someone who know better hjow I should phrase my own mails? seriously |
| 23:21.18 | Estel_ | freemangordon, nothing at all ;) |
| 23:21.31 | Estel_ | It's just about bashing hypocritic behavior, a little. |
| 23:21.41 | chem|st | Estel_: that is a common habit over here in "dark"-IRC to grab popcorn whenever there is a shitstorm on tmo-TV |
| 23:21.50 | Estel_ | I woudl really preffer chem|st to perform his duties, instead of teching others how to write polite 3 liner. |
| 23:22.05 | Estel_ | ok, generally, it's nothing worth arguing. |
| 23:22.11 | Estel_ | You got Your opinion, i keep mine |
| 23:22.17 | Estel_ | we're all alive and happy. |
| 23:22.20 | ZogG_lap1op | nowdays calling names and than blaming others for that is a merit =) |
| 23:22.25 | chem|st | Estel_: ehrm I have no duties within maemo.org |
| 23:22.41 | Estel_ | so why the hell won't You resign from being moderator? |
| 23:22.59 | Estel_ | jumping once for a year and "teaching" others that You're still mod isn't helping much. |
| 23:23.12 | freemangordon | well, I give up |
| 23:23.15 | freemangordon | bb guys |
| 23:23.19 | Estel_ | see ya, same here |
| 23:23.27 | Estel_ | need to fix my cooling system for CNC |
| 23:23.41 | ZogG_lap1op | volunteering today is not a duty, it's random choice of what you want to "merit" for. device, power, voices — yes. grown up behaivour admitness, polite - no |
| 23:23.48 | freemangordon | yeah, your cooling system deffinitely needs a fix :( |
| 23:24.01 | chem|st | freemangordon: +1 |
| 23:24.46 | ZogG_lap1op | it's like one person quistioned by enuf people still takes each one separete and personally and do not look in whole picture |
| 23:25.27 | chem|st | ZogG_lap1op: leave it... not worth the typing.... |
| 23:27.08 | ZogG_lap1op | chem|st: i like how you jump once in the year thing, maybe you should tweet everytime you spend hours on flame topics checking post by post? or all you actvity on maemo and tmo? the value of deeds is not enuf today, today we are pop stars we need attention and rating, what we are and who were are are less important, most important status and glory =) |
| 23:27.13 | ZogG_lap1op | way to go |
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| 23:33.43 | rzr | wondering about purchasing an extra n9 in case of the elopcalypse ... how much does a used one could cost ? |
| 23:36.47 | ZogG_lap1op | rzr: i think ±400$ for 64 gb |
| 23:38.26 | rzr | and 16 ? |
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