| 00:00.10 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, but that means I'd have to read scrollback |
| 00:00.17 | GeneralAntilles | and figure out exactly what happened. :< |
| 00:00.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-P |
| 00:00.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's part of the game, yes |
| 00:01.04 | GeneralAntilles | But my eyes are already bleeding. |
| 00:01.09 | GeneralAntilles | Why do you two want to make my eyes bleed more? |
| 00:01.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually for both, banning and (proper good) trolling |
| 00:01.33 | *** join/#maemo uen| (~uen@p5DCB3B5A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:01.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm actually doing very little that I don't feel like mandatory moderation action |
| 00:02.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | when somebody is abusing ibot, I start action to fix this |
| 00:03.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | depending on the main field of impact, either on bot side or channel moderation side (if applicable) |
| 00:04.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | not planning to hurt your eyes :-D |
| 00:04.33 | *** join/#maemo DrGrov (~C.J@a91-153-77-41.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 00:06.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | but actually I hope it's already a closed ticket, so no need for you to take further action - at least that's what I hope is result of some settings tweaking behind the scenes I did |
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| 00:08.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: on a more joyful topic - what do you think about our infra future? |
| 00:09.19 | javispedro | moo gentlemen! |
| 00:09.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | HEEEY!!! |
| 00:09.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: !! :-)))) |
| 00:10.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | long time no see! |
| 00:10.46 | javispedro | prolly |
| 00:11.00 | javispedro | how's #maemo feeling tooday |
| 00:11.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | recently a bit mad, but nothing really unusual |
| 00:11.22 | RST38h | Moo, javispedro |
| 00:11.33 | RST38h | What brings you here at 3:11 or whatever time it is? |
| 00:11.39 | javispedro | 2:11 |
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| 00:12.09 | RST38h | Oh |
| 00:12.28 | javispedro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_John%27s_Eve#Spain |
| 00:12.41 | javispedro | so i'm outside enjoying someone else's fireworks |
| 00:12.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey, nice |
| 00:12.58 | RST38h | Ah! |
| 00:13.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's Spain the way I like it - fireworks at 2o'clock in the night |
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| 00:14.44 | javispedro | :) |
| 00:14.52 | javispedro | though the average rate is already decreasing :) |
| 00:15.39 | RST38h | Doc: Getting this shit all over the year in Moscow |
| 00:16.39 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, javispedro. |
| 00:16.43 | GeneralAntilles | How's life? |
| 00:16.46 | RST38h | Doc: as every fat pig feelslike buying fireworksfor his birthday |
| 00:16.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, Moscow is insane, thought as much |
| 00:22.31 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles, finely doing |
| 00:22.46 | javispedro | I am starting my slow descent into apple cult |
| 00:22.53 | RST38h | no noooooo |
| 00:22.53 | javispedro | types from an mba |
| 00:23.13 | RST38h | go with the huge green trashcan |
| 00:23.17 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, meh, nothing wrong with their computers (for the time being, at least until they turn them into appliances). |
| 00:23.23 | GeneralAntilles | It's the mobile devices where the trouble is. |
| 00:23.31 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, glad to hear it, javispedro. :) |
| 00:23.33 | RST38h | not that it is good, but at least it is not viral |
| 00:24.31 | javispedro | one cannot enter an apple store with a $2000 prepaid card and exit empty handled :) |
| 00:24.43 | javispedro | *handed |
| 00:25.04 | RST38h | javispedro: So, the question "who gave you the first one as a present?" is fully valid? |
| 00:25.22 | RST38h | how evil they are, those Apple cultists! |
| 00:26.04 | javispedro | :) |
| 00:27.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2000$ prepaid card - DUH! |
| 00:27.46 | Hurrian | javispedro, all my apple stuff are presents/free stuff |
| 00:28.01 | RST38h | He can still survive this if he buys a MacBook and instals Win7 on it |
| 00:28.06 | Hurrian | it's incredible how something I actively avoid buying ends up here |
| 00:28.27 | RST38h | Ritually killing MacOS in its hardware womb! |
| 00:29.13 | javispedro | RST38h is right in that I'm actually trying to scavenge a w7 license to see how fast it boots :) |
| 00:29.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
| 00:29.39 | GeneralAntilles | Boo, W7. |
| 00:29.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait, seems I got some stickers under my laptops |
| 00:29.46 | GeneralAntilles | I'm recently enamored with Linux Mint Cinnamon. |
| 00:29.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, only xp |
| 00:31.55 | javispedro | also, the store was on portland, OR, no tax... |
| 00:32.10 | javispedro | don't tell spain's IRS, please :) |
| 00:32.15 | RST38h | Hehe |
| 00:32.41 | GeneralAntilles | phones up the consulate. |
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| 00:33.14 | javispedro | well, gotta go! |
| 00:33.36 | javispedro | cya soon hopefully |
| 00:34.02 | GeneralAntilles | Tah |
| 00:34.18 | RST38h | run for the board! |
| 00:34.57 | *** part/#maemo budfive (~user@cpe-76-169-242-46.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 00:36.12 | *** part/#maemo DrGrov (~C.J@a91-153-77-41.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 00:43.16 | RST38h | Mghm...why board? Border. |
| 00:43.25 | RST38h | wonders how this particular mistake has been made |
| 00:44.27 | GeneralAntilles | Muscle memory is an awesome thing. |
| 00:45.16 | Estel_ | Hello GeneralAntilles! nice to see Your writings again |
| 00:47.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: there's ever before been such flamewar against any maemo council? |
| 00:47.32 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, the ITT -> Talk changeover was pretty toasty. |
| 00:47.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 00:49.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | who's been driving that, back when? |
| 00:50.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | (just out of interest) |
| 00:50.18 | GeneralAntilles | Driving the changeover? |
| 00:50.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 00:50.29 | GeneralAntilles | It was part of the maemo.org overhaul. |
| 00:50.41 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly it was Reggie, I think. |
| 00:50.45 | GeneralAntilles | Don't recall entirely. |
| 00:50.49 | GeneralAntilles | That was, what, 2009? |
| 00:50.53 | GeneralAntilles | Like, 30 years ago. |
| 00:50.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I more asked about proponents |
| 00:51.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | who came up with the suggestion, who thought it's a good (or bad) idea? |
| 00:51.44 | GeneralAntilles | Most of the maemo.org core people thought it was a good idea |
| 00:51.51 | GeneralAntilles | I don't recall where the suggestion originated. |
| 00:51.55 | GeneralAntilles | er |
| 00:51.59 | GeneralAntilles | maemo.org and ITT core people |
| 00:52.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 00:52.08 | RiD | potato |
| 00:52.09 | GeneralAntilles | Most of the whining came from people whose names I don't recall. |
| 00:52.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the usual suspects rushed in whining and shouting, I guess |
| 00:52.39 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 00:52.47 | GeneralAntilles | Can't blame us for not communicating, though! :P |
| 00:52.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah :-) |
| 00:53.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | what a crazy world this has become |
| 00:54.08 | GeneralAntilles | Mixed up muddled up shook up world |
| 00:54.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | feels like inspecting fridge for a beer now |
| 00:54.34 | RiD | i wonder what would happen if suddenly every technological device stopped wokrking |
| 00:54.44 | RiD | we'd all probably die |
| 00:54.49 | merlin1991 | inspecting as if it has been there since years? |
| 00:55.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn sure we would - trolls on tmo first |
| 00:55.13 | GeneralAntilles | Oh damn |
| 00:55.16 | GeneralAntilles | That reminds me |
| 00:55.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: yep, exactly |
| 00:55.23 | GeneralAntilles | I've got about 2 glasses left in a REALLY GOOD bottle of wine. |
| 00:55.25 | GeneralAntilles | :o |
| 00:55.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D yay |
| 00:55.49 | RiD | in the literal way |
| 00:55.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: hi, btw :-) |
| 00:56.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: sure literally. And trolls literally would die from any mad action they can't keep themselves from doing when they can't troll anymore |
| 00:57.40 | RiD | DocScrutinizer05, mind if I ask, what IRC client do you use on your n900? |
| 00:57.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | like... running out on the street shouting at next police officer and pointing at him with something that might look like a waepon |
| 00:57.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | xchat |
| 00:57.59 | GeneralAntilles | REALLY GOOD WINE |
| 00:58.01 | GeneralAntilles | That is all. |
| 00:58.26 | RiD | DocScrutinizer05 have you figured out how to autocomplete nicknames? I didn't *cries* |
| 00:58.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: with proper config ;-D |
| 00:58.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure thing |
| 00:58.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 00:58.45 | infobot | [jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 00:58.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | one up |
| 00:58.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | then /xchat |
| 00:59.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I do autocomplete by shift-space |
| 00:59.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | other minor tweaks in those config and scriptie files there |
| 00:59.46 | *** join/#maemo ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-67-10-220-35.elp.res.rr.com) |
| 00:59.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think xchat becomes pretty usable that way |
| 00:59.59 | RiD | DocScrutinizer05 oh, it works lol. Thanks for the link, definitely going to check out some stuff |
| 01:00.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 01:01.00 | *** join/#maemo Venusaur (~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) |
| 01:01.02 | RiD | You know, I once almost got in trouble with a IRC moderator (not on freenode, though) because he didn't believe I wasn't on the computer |
| 01:02.06 | RiD | "but you are on xchat" |
| 01:02.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 01:02.18 | nox- | haha |
| 01:02.47 | RiD | I had to take a print screen to show him I was not lying, lol |
| 01:02.54 | merlin1991 | hm all I have is Slivovitz |
| 01:03.07 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: found that beer? :D |
| 01:03.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, there's been something on my task stack.... |
| 01:03.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | heads out |
| 01:04.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | YEAH \o/ |
| 01:04.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | Krug-Brau Lager |
| 01:04.57 | RiD | I got H20 mixed with some nitrogen to keep it cold |
| 01:05.14 | RiD | best fridge I ever had |
| 01:05.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | cheers! |
| 01:06.42 | trx | merlin1991 haha is it Serbian? |
| 01:06.54 | merlin1991 | trx: ofc :) |
| 01:07.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: /ctcp DocScrutinizer51 version |
| 01:07.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 01:08.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | not 05, 51! |
| 01:08.21 | RiD | oh *sigh* |
| 01:08.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D |
| 01:08.53 | RiD | xchat 2.8.6 |
| 01:09.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I'm a bit confused as I thought it will answer with a clue about "maemo" somehow |
| 01:09.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | but it doesn't it seems |
| 01:10.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | blames RST38h ;-P |
| 01:11.15 | merlin1991 | too much information makes it too easy for exploiters ;) |
| 01:11.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
| 01:12.44 | RiD | it should say mars :/ |
| 01:12.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: slivo is really amazing when digested warm (+50°C ++), when you put some pepper into the pot where you warm it up |
| 01:13.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | good black papper, not that tasteless grey dust |
| 01:13.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | pepper even |
| 01:14.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | think I learnt that at a yugoslavian restaurant |
| 01:15.14 | *** join/#maemo valeriusN (~valeriusN@xmpp.jrudevels.org) |
| 01:15.27 | merlin1991 | they have a different slivo there |
| 01:15.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | *this* might actually be the case |
| 01:17.42 | RiD | I have to go, see you all |
| 01:17.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | see you, RiD |
| 01:17.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | soon! |
| 01:18.16 | RiD | hopefully |
| 01:18.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's .pt anyway? |
| 01:19.02 | RiD | feels offended |
| 01:19.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | how? |
| 01:19.12 | RiD | PT is PorTugal |
| 01:19.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
| 01:19.26 | RiD | not offended, but I thought Portugal was still in the map |
| 01:19.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no clue about FLDs |
| 01:19.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | or TLD? |
| 01:19.48 | RiD | I don't even know what FLD or TLD is |
| 01:19.50 | RiD | lol |
| 01:19.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | top level domain |
| 01:20.05 | RiD | oh, and what is fld then? |
| 01:20.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | the rightmost part of a URL |
| 01:20.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | first level |
| 01:20.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | as iirc things like google in google.com is second level |
| 01:21.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fld |
| 01:21.19 | infobot | First Level Domain |
| 01:21.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki fld |
| 01:21.43 | RiD | that bot is way too smart. Anyways, don't stop me from going |
| 01:21.58 | merlin1991 | itsn't it tld |
| 01:22.01 | merlin1991 | as in top level domain? |
| 01:22.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq, who's fisher and his discriminant? :-o |
| 01:22.08 | RiD | I can't read that text, my whole vision is getting blurry. |
| 01:22.10 | merlin1991 | ~wiki tld |
| 01:22.24 | merlin1991 | hah :) |
| 01:22.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | waves at RiD |
| 01:22.43 | Estel_ | damn, almsot two weeks ago I got mail from Farnell, that my RPi was sent |
| 01:22.51 | Estel_ | they've also charged my credit card. Still, no delivery |
| 01:23.06 | Estel_ | I though rPi was sent via quick delivery provider, like DHL or something like that? |
| 01:23.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | cheers at merlin1991 |
| 01:24.05 | Estel_ | now they FCKD up loging system don't leg me log in - I've tried recovering password, but it requires username. I've tried recovering username, but when I provide my real name and mail (correct, as I've got notification there) it says, that i'm not in client base. WTF? |
| 01:24.46 | Estel_ | anyone here received Rpi? What delivery service they've used? |
| 01:24.58 | merlin1991 | my rpi is still mia |
| 01:25.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | rpi like the berry? |
| 01:25.42 | Estel_ | merlin1991, but they haven't send You notification about shipping it already/haven't charged credit card? |
| 01:25.54 | merlin1991 | dunno a m8 ordered them |
| 01:26.06 | Estel_ | I see |
| 01:26.06 | merlin1991 | afaik the charged some time ago but nothing else ever happened |
| 01:26.18 | Estel_ | well, good way of selling things :P |
| 01:26.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | is that just me or is the slivo already kicking in? ;-D |
| 01:27.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah finally my wetware parser spit out sth about m8 |
| 01:27.16 | merlin1991 | hehe |
| 01:27.34 | Estel_ | I wonder if Pi is going to be available in larger quantities, whenever |
| 01:27.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~m8 |
| 01:27.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah! |
| 01:27.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wtf m8 |
| 01:27.56 | merlin1991 | I guess we have to tell her about that one :) |
| 01:28.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 01:28.04 | Estel_ | I ordered this one for personal use - ED via miniHDMI in different resolutions, for outside screen... |
| 01:28.18 | Estel_ | But I also liekd to investigate turning it into mediabox, and maybe even buying more and selling mediaboxes |
| 01:28.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~m8 is mate |
| 01:28.19 | infobot | ACTION throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at is mate |
| 01:28.29 | Estel_ | haha |
| 01:28.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang wut? |
| 01:28.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 01:28.54 | merlin1991 | Estel_: if you're going for a media box look into openelec |
| 01:29.07 | merlin1991 | they have a rpi build |
| 01:29.25 | Estel_ | thanks, looks good. |
| 01:29.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, now the convo starts to make even more sense ;-) |
| 01:30.06 | Estel_ | ~AK47 |
| 01:30.17 | Estel_ | ~AK47 DocScrutinizer |
| 01:30.25 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: had *some* slivo way before I came on here, so if anything my text output is rubbish ever since ;) |
| 01:31.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, I simply got confused by some parts missing, so I lost the context |
| 01:31.07 | Estel_ | ~assasinate Farnell |
| 01:31.16 | Estel_ | ~murder farnell |
| 01:31.25 | Estel_ | ah, she doesn't liksten to me anymore ;) |
| 01:31.42 | Estel_ | thanks to some egomaniac ;D |
| 01:32.07 | Estel_ | BTW, I wonder if it's just delivery overdue, or... |
| 01:35.52 | M4rtinK | regarding the Rpi as a media centre - note that it currently doesn't do MPEG-2 due to licensing issues |
| 01:36.06 | merlin1991 | Estel_: I think it's part of their business plan |
| 01:36.11 | Estel_ | currently? i.e. it did it before, or will do later? |
| 01:36.13 | merlin1991 | M4rtinK: it does a few others aswell |
| 01:36.29 | merlin1991 | Also, it does anything you want it to on cpu ;) |
| 01:36.34 | merlin1991 | though that is quite slow |
| 01:36.51 | Estel_ | mpeg-2 isn;t used for DVDs? |
| 01:37.01 | M4rtinK | DVDs and DVB-T |
| 01:37.16 | Estel_ | DVB-T not everywhere, most countries use MPEG-4 |
| 01:37.21 | M4rtinK | andy maybe DivX/X-Vid and similar ? |
| 01:37.23 | Estel_ | only germany and some others incorporate mpeg-2 |
| 01:37.38 | Estel_ | IIRc, xvid and divx is other cup of tea |
| 01:37.41 | Estel_ | but I may be wrong |
| 01:37.51 | Estel_ | anyway, what about those licensing issue? |
| 01:37.55 | Estel_ | is going to read rPi page |
| 01:38.50 | merlin1991 | Estel_: the software to offload the decoding to the gpu is closed |
| 01:38.51 | merlin1991 | and gay |
| 01:39.04 | Estel_ | yea, was aware of that... |
| 01:39.16 | M4rtinK | there is the discussion about it: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=3538&sid=e401489f9fb1116993f4742f36c00224 |
| 01:39.19 | Estel_ | but mpeg-2, from all standards? |
| 01:39.23 | Estel_ | thanks |
| 01:39.44 | merlin1991 | the backend is openmax |
| 01:39.45 | M4rtinK | basically, it would cost some 2 dolars more per unit |
| 01:39.50 | merlin1991 | why exactly has it "open" in the name? |
| 01:40.03 | M4rtinK | like the Open Group ? :) |
| 01:40.15 | merlin1991 | M4rtinK: also: Two licensed codecs will be provided at launch, MPEG4 and h.264 |
| 01:40.17 | M4rtinK | or Open Handset Alliance ? :) |
| 01:40.45 | M4rtinK | yeah, IMHO they paid the licence for MPEG-4 and h.264 |
| 01:40.51 | M4rtinK | but not MPEG-2 |
| 01:41.05 | merlin1991 | oh I mixed up does and doesn't |
| 01:41.51 | M4rtinK | the hardware is certainly capable |
| 01:42.04 | M4rtinK | but there are no drivers :) |
| 01:42.19 | M4rtinK | well, for MPEG-2 |
| 01:42.50 | M4rtinK | still, I'm quite optimistic in this one |
| 01:42.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: h.264 is licenced? |
| 01:42.57 | merlin1991 | yea |
| 01:43.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 01:43.06 | merlin1991 | they claim high profile decode runs fine |
| 01:43.13 | merlin1991 | the famous 1080p line |
| 01:43.15 | M4rtinK | there are just too many developers with the boards in their hands :) |
| 01:44.21 | cehteh | Doc you dont have a pi yet? :) |
| 01:44.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah |
| 01:44.33 | cehteh | hah :) i do |
| 01:44.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even pondered to get one |
| 01:44.46 | M4rtinK | I don't have one either (yet) |
| 01:44.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't make me feel envy |
| 01:45.03 | cehteh | well i didnt used mine past week .. too busy |
| 01:45.25 | M4rtinK | but I should get a 3D printed case for it soon from a friend :) |
| 01:45.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | what for do you all (plan to) use it? |
| 01:46.14 | cehteh | not finally settled .. have to much ideas but only one device :P |
| 01:46.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 01:46.34 | cehteh | this first one is for experimenting and testing |
| 01:46.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: hi, btw :) |
| 01:47.17 | M4rtinK | probably a media box & GPIO fun |
| 01:47.20 | cehteh | and will either end as kitchen computer, mediaplayer or some other home appliance (web-controllable sockets or so) |
| 01:47.40 | cehteh | i'll bring mine to froscon |
| 01:48.05 | cehteh | also planned to integrate it in my monitor but it cant do its full resolution (which is slightly out of spec) |
| 01:48.12 | cehteh | 2048x1152 |
| 01:48.42 | cehteh | or autonomous flying qadcopter. .. whatever there are many ideas :) |
| 01:50.29 | cehteh | this binary blobs suck .. but the rest is way freeer .. build mostly up to date kernels, no (much) ugly patches, zram performs well for example |
| 01:50.49 | cehteh | unlinke the n900 where nokia patched the mm code |
| 01:51.21 | Estel_ | heh, after reading this whole bullshit... |
| 01:51.30 | Estel_ | (i.e. forum rPi about mpeg-2) |
| 01:51.47 | cehteh | yes that sux |
| 01:51.49 | Estel_ | I really doubt they haven't go with something that use hardware Theora decoding ;) |
| 01:52.09 | Estel_ | heck, I even sue theora in my N900, I don't care that it's running on CPU only |
| 01:52.14 | Estel_ | BTw |
| 01:52.22 | cehteh | dunno, but there is a so big community they may reverse engineer the graphics core :P |
| 01:52.28 | Estel_ | "If Yuo decode mpeg-2 to mpeg-4, Yuo should pay license fee" was my best part |
| 01:52.35 | cehteh | or broadcom may become convinced to release its specs |
| 01:52.36 | Estel_ | wa sbets part* |
| 01:52.58 | Estel_ | it's like "if You're getting rid of windows and installing linux, You should pay to redmond" |
| 01:52.59 | cehteh | there is a completely unused DSP on the rpi too |
| 01:53.02 | Estel_ | lol |
| 01:53.09 | RST38h | hw theora is like hw skype |
| 01:53.11 | Estel_ | and only one camera interface connected ;0 |
| 01:53.22 | Estel_ | RST38h, what do you mean exactly? |
| 01:53.36 | cehteh | they just hunted for a cheap arm .. sadly its just the stepchild of that SOC :) |
| 01:53.48 | RST38h | the format is so messed up by cool eleet software people that doing it in hw is problematic |
| 01:54.09 | Estel_ | with the difference, that Theora is open and well documented, while Skyp is equally opposite |
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| 01:54.24 | Estel_ | but overall, i get the point |
| 01:54.38 | RST38h | does not matter how well it is documented, unfortunately |
| 01:54.47 | Estel_ | it |
| 01:54.52 | Estel_ | it's messe dup so much? |
| 01:54.56 | RST38h | what matters is whether they use snippets of their own C code in the format description document |
| 01:54.59 | Estel_ | oh damn, i think i'm tired |
| 01:55.06 | Estel_ | I mean "It's messed up *so* much?" |
| 01:55.07 | RST38h | like Google does |
| 01:55.42 | cehteh | n8 |
| 01:55.44 | RST38h | If you cannot describe format without resorting to your particular source code, this means your "standard" is messed up |
| 01:56.40 | Estel_ | so, AIUI, hardware decoding is hard because it would require work = money paid for programmers, not that it's undoable anyway? |
| 01:57.18 | Estel_ | i.e. "standard" ahrd to follow? |
| 01:57.23 | Estel_ | damn, hard |
| 01:57.23 | RST38h | Sorry, but I am going to leave it to you to figure out why implementing arbitrary C source code in hardware is hard |
| 01:57.35 | RST38h | Make it your homework for today, ok? |
| 01:57.48 | Estel_ | sure, I admit that I'm not specialist in this :) |
| 01:58.14 | Estel_ | instead, I wouldn't ask, so I'll google for it with pleasure. |
| 01:59.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: n8 |
| 02:01.52 | Estel_ | o fuck, gcompris on Pi! |
| 02:01.57 | Estel_ | Why i haven't though about that |
| 02:02.12 | Estel_ | well, i know who will occupy my Pi when not used for HDMI out :) |
| 02:02.52 | Estel_ | in fact, I'm starting to regret that we can't buy two, for now. Sounds like first computer for my son ;) |
| 02:07.27 | Sc0rpius | two ? |
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| 02:41.09 | Estel_ | Sc0rpius, yea |
| 02:41.23 | Estel_ | one for my 3 years old Son, and one for me. Both to play with, but in different areas ;) |
| 02:42.00 | Estel_ | he is already using my N900 quite much, and - to say at least - dissapointed, when I have to do something on n900 at the same time ;) |
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| 09:16.17 | Kowalczyk | hi. Ive seen a lot of screenshots with those 15 30 and this one with 15 30 60 in the bottom right corner: http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=10848&stc=1&d=1276153127 what is that? |
| 09:17.52 | Kowalczyk | from N900 |
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| 09:28.17 | Kowalczyk | cant figure out what app or what it is |
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| 09:46.00 | vi__ | Kowalczyk: it is a QBW (queen beecon widget). |
| 09:46.13 | vi__ | What it does, I have NFC. |
| 09:49.37 | Kowalczyk | ok... thanks.. will check it out. need to figure out how to create icons and stuff. want to change the taskbar icon etc.. |
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| 09:52.48 | jon-kha | Kowalczyk that is sleeper widget http://wiki.maemo.org/Sleeper |
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| 10:20.55 | zeq_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.34 | merlin1991 | zeq_laptop: freemangordon might have some pointers |
| 10:21.54 | zeq_laptop | yeah, he should be back around some time today |
| 10:22.54 | zeq_laptop | I spent a large part of yesterday setting up a 32bit chroot, and building the toolchain prerequistites. It's a long process... |
| 10:23.07 | zeq_laptop | frustrated at the end! |
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| 10:24.42 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: ping |
| 10:26.29 | zeq_laptop | I also seem to have somehow broken the garage git repo for the fennec project!?! It was working, I was pushing the source tree, but it got stuck, since then git just sits there. I tried cloning from the repo, but... silence. |
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| 10:33.31 | Tofe | Hi ! |
| 10:33.55 | zeq_laptop | Tofe: Good morning! |
| 10:34.15 | Tofe | Yep, it's 1:34PM in the morning here :) |
| 10:34.30 | zeq_laptop | :) |
| 10:34.41 | zeq_laptop | It's a Sunday, morning all day |
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| 10:34.46 | Tofe | exactly ! |
| 10:37.01 | Kowalczyk | jon-kha: aha.. thank you :D |
| 10:37.28 | Kowalczyk | any good guide for changing icons? example for the menu/taskswitcher? |
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| 10:39.58 | Tofe | how does one debug a hildon status area plugin ? debugging directly on N900 seems a *bit* risky... |
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| 11:06.36 | merlin1991 | Tofe: sb? |
| 11:07.27 | zeq_laptop | is there a way to reinitialise the git repo of a garage project? do I need to email an admin, is there anybody here? |
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| 11:14.39 | hiemanshu | zeq_laptop: you want to do what exactly? |
| 11:18.04 | Tofe | merlin1991: ah, yes, of course. With some printf, that could work well. |
| 11:18.19 | zeq_laptop | hiemanshu: I can't pull/push to the remote repo since it got stuck. I've no idea why. It was working. But there's nothing in the remote repo atm, so I thought it might be best just to reinitialise it and start again. |
| 11:19.32 | hiemanshu | zeq_laptop: best speak to an admin then |
| 11:19.50 | zeq_laptop | merlin1991: fixed the build, I needed to use " --with-host-libstdcxx="-lstdc++ -lsupc++ -lm" |
| 11:20.33 | Tofe | but does hildon-desktop load everything that is located in /usr/lib/hildon-desktop, or is there a config file to activate specific plugins ? I didn't find anything clear about that |
| 11:25.59 | merlin1991 | Tofe: there are .desktop files in /usr/share/ ... afaik |
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| 11:27.56 | Tofe | ah ok, so I guess activating a plugin would mean "put the .desktop the right way"... I'll investigate that. Thanks ! |
| 11:42.53 | Macer | hm |
| 11:42.59 | Macer | need to find something to put ecomstation on |
| 11:43.09 | Macer | :) in soviet russie os/2 runs missiles |
| 11:43.15 | Macer | russia |
| 11:43.44 | merlin1991 | hehe half os, classic :D |
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| 11:46.42 | Venemo | hey |
| 11:46.49 | merlin1991 | hi |
| 11:46.51 | Venemo | hi everyone |
| 11:46.57 | Venemo | Estel_: ping |
| 11:47.13 | Venemo | so, I hear the council had quite a party? |
| 11:48.04 | Macer | merlin1991: heh |
| 11:48.12 | Venemo | is it true that they seized the community awards devices for themselves? |
| 11:48.34 | Macer | ecomstation = os/2 ;) |
| 11:48.43 | merlin1991 | Venemo: dunno how 5 guys could seize 25 devices |
| 11:48.47 | Macer | there is a council? |
| 11:48.48 | zeq_laptop | I seem to have broken my scratchbox. Is it normal for targets to get "mixed-up"; I have files from my "HOST" target in /lib along with my ARM libs...? |
| 11:48.57 | Macer | merlin1991: LOL!! |
| 11:48.59 | merlin1991 | that't would require quite some explaining :D |
| 11:49.07 | Macer | N950s? |
| 11:49.28 | Venemo | well, 4 of the 5 guys applied for devices, and what surprise, they all got them too. at least this is what ZogG told me |
| 11:49.50 | Macer | N950s? |
| 11:50.00 | Venemo | I'm unsure about the details. |
| 11:50.06 | merlin1991 | so, uhm, we came to think of, yeah all in all it's better for the community if each and everyone of us gets 5 devices, you see, we're by the community and for the community so it has to be right? ... |
| 11:50.07 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 11:50.21 | zeq_laptop | LOL |
| 11:50.23 | Macer | heh |
| 11:50.44 | Macer | 25 N950s for 5 guys would be awful |
| 11:50.52 | Macer | total soviet takeover haha |
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| 11:51.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn, if only Quim had passed them their working tools prior to declaring the rest as awards |
| 11:51.25 | Venemo | well, the thing is that it feels bad when you are the judge of something that you also applied in. |
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| 11:51.32 | merlin1991 | Macer: I think you'd enjoy http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1226087&postcount=283 aswell |
| 11:51.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | they wouldn't have to apply for award "competition" and no harsh words |
| 11:52.07 | Venemo | I don't personally have anything against the council, but please get my point. |
| 11:52.15 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05 must be one of them :) |
| 11:52.24 | zeq_laptop | Macer: 25 didn't go to 5 guys. There is dispute whether council members contributed to the community... |
| 11:52.33 | Macer | stalin's inner circle |
| 11:52.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: ehß |
| 11:52.45 | Macer | while mother russia starves |
| 11:52.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 11:52.47 | Macer | lol |
| 11:53.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: elaborate! |
| 11:54.03 | Macer | merlin1991: LOL! |
| 11:54.17 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: merlin1991 i suggest you to read the thread |
| 11:54.44 | merlin1991 | ZogG_laptop: I read it, but at this point I'm only in for the comedy |
| 11:54.45 | Macer | so if 4 guys got them where did the other 21 go? |
| 11:54.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: elaborate! |
| 11:54.59 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: ? |
| 11:55.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | [24.06.2012 13:52:10] <Macer> DocScrutinizer05 must be one of them :) |
| 11:55.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: elaborate! |
| 11:55.10 | Venemo | Macer: you joking, or you really don't understand? |
| 11:55.33 | ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: the thing it's not funny |
| 11:55.56 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: you are part of the council that horded all the N950s from awards? |
| 11:56.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 11:56.12 | Macer | heh |
| 11:56.34 | ZogG_laptop | Macer: i know council is hard work but is not to mocl in faces that they are council, especially when it's pasted only month and they were choosen 5/7. But even this is not a point, they might deserve the devices, but not the way it was done |
| 11:56.47 | Macer | there are no devices... the council just didn't want the community to know |
| 11:56.52 | ZogG_laptop | Macer: he is more reasonable than that =) |
| 11:57.32 | Macer | ZogG_laptop: in soviet russia phones are bourgeoisie |
| 11:57.39 | Macer | so the govt keeps them |
| 11:57.42 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: it would be nice if you read at least parts where they answer us in thread (not personal attacks on each other with Arie and other guy)... it's quite amazing how they do that |
| 11:57.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: please shut up! this whole topic is messed up enough without your nonsense |
| 11:57.50 | Macer | to protect the society |
| 11:58.18 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: link pls |
| 11:58.30 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: don't get mad at me. i didn't "steal" awards and devices from the communuity :) |
| 11:58.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm stealing q from you if you continue |
| 11:58.53 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: it's a long post with a lot offtopic as well =) |
| 11:59.08 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85003 |
| 11:59.27 | Macer | q? |
| 12:00.48 | Macer | ZogG did have a point. seems wrong that the judges were allowed to choose amongst themselves |
| 12:00.57 | merlin1991 | hm whatabout "/topic $TOPIC | no more CA discussions, it's over" ? |
| 12:01.02 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: i and few guys made nice point before but i would sugest to read from where itsnotabigtrucnk jumped in |
| 12:01.11 | merlin1991 | I mean honestly it's too late to complain |
| 12:01.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's quite obviously absolutely wrong practice |
| 12:01.21 | ZogG_laptop | Macer: than speak up, they just used that most people got silent |
| 12:01.58 | Macer | oh no need... i am not a developer and quite honestly have contributed nothing to the maemo community tbh |
| 12:02.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I say "quim should have given them their 5 devices that traditionally belong to council, to do their 'job'" |
| 12:02.09 | Macer | other than using it ;) |
| 12:02.28 | Macer | but yeah... judges who put their names in ... that seems a bit shady |
| 12:03.03 | ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: why would it be too late, i think if half community speak up, even if they do not go back, at least community would know how people are against. just now they think it's 3 people so they call us trolls and other use political oral skills to speak around problem with no straight answer. But we need people to see what actually happened there |
| 12:03.05 | Macer | especially for someone who worked endless nights making somthing and didnt get one |
| 12:03.56 | merlin1991 | ZogG_laptop: no we need to get a proper plan for post nokia maemo.org so people one year in the future can actually care what happened here |
| 12:04.07 | merlin1991 | s/care/read/ |
| 12:04.50 | ZogG_laptop | Macer: i think rzr itsnotabigtrunck or e-eyes deserve it more than self nominated people. as well as you can see for example e-eyes wanted n950 to support it with nitroid and there is no way he can buy one |
| 12:05.13 | zeq_laptop | nitroid != maemo |
| 12:05.16 | NIN101 | but tbh, nitroid isn't maemo. |
| 12:05.30 | ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: with no present we can't have future. it's wrong to let it go. you let it go once, it would happen again. check Russia situation now =) even meetings are forbidden =P |
| 12:05.32 | vi__ | ZogG_laptop: nitroid is nothing but rouble, |
| 12:05.46 | vi__ | N950 nitroid support? Wtf for? |
| 12:05.56 | vi__ | It is barely supported by harmattan. |
| 12:06.13 | vi__ | You are whinging like a butthurt child. |
| 12:06.13 | ZogG_laptop | zeq_laptop: actually dual boot that give you opportunity to run android apps on n9, as well as parts of bme he reverse ingineered =) |
| 12:06.36 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: you see, the way you talk and i talk are different |
| 12:06.52 | vi__ | HOW could the council have won? They were told by quim to choose winners. |
| 12:07.08 | vi__ | ZogG_laptop: Yes, I don't hide my true meaning with platitudes. |
| 12:07.28 | vi__ | If they are not alowed to enter the competiton then they could not win. |
| 12:07.32 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: everyone even those who want to let it go see that it's wrong, even council knew when they decided to participate, but still they wanted phones more to give a f |
| 12:08.12 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: let's say they were allowed and they were there, and i think inception made a lot of more contribution last year =) |
| 12:08.34 | vi__ | ORLY? |
| 12:08.49 | ZogG_laptop | yes |
| 12:09.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: please no offense |
| 12:09.21 | zeq_laptop | ZogG_laptop: it was bad politics for sure, but the council members certainly had merit. How can anything different be claimed? |
| 12:10.08 | zeq_laptop | The wouldn't be the council if they weren't recognised as community leaders! |
| 12:10.09 | Venemo | so anyway |
| 12:10.20 | ZogG_laptop | zeq_laptop: my point was politics, but if we got personal. i see 5 councils choosen from 7 for 1 month, and people who worked all last year on harmattan and helped a lot on #harmattan as well and TMO |
| 12:10.22 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop: go and have a part in the coding competition |
| 12:10.59 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: it's not about me, i won in other competition, and i never told i deserve community award =) |
| 12:11.15 | zeq_laptop | anyway, I think I've managed to finish the linaro-4.7 scratchbox toolchain integration :) |
| 12:11.46 | Macer | hm |
| 12:12.11 | Macer | does ecoach REQUIRE a net connection to track gps speed/distance? |
| 12:12.33 | Macer | i don't have a sim in it and haven't gotten a new arm band for my lumia 900 |
| 12:12.42 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: i don't feel doing anything after this... so last thing i'll do is wiki post i promissed woody and few guys and this is it ... =\ |
| 12:12.56 | merlin1991 | zeq_laptop: just watch out if you use qt with newer gcc, freemangordon ran into some bumps, but I don't remember the fix anymore |
| 12:13.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | a) council *always* needs devices, otherwise they don't know their core topic b) sure throwing their hats into a competition they are the judges as well waqs a terribly bad practice c) NOW we can't do ANYTHING about it, as the incorrect behaviour already happened, damage done. d) when council acts stupid, it is useless to discuss merits and criteria of the award selection, we need to discuss why council didn't ask for **guidance** |
| 12:14.12 | Macer | guess i will find out by myseld |
| 12:14.44 | zeq_laptop | merlin1991: I'll be sure to test it before letting it out in the wild :) |
| 12:15.31 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: they do ask in maillist, after there were few people on TMO telling it's not right. By telling that reasonable people on maillist and not at TMO. And i see the problem if you let it happen once it would happen more times |
| 12:15.34 | zeq_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: as I said, bad politics |
| 12:16.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 12:16.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | council acted idiotic |
| 12:16.33 | zeq_laptop | one might even wonder whether the whole point of the "competition" was to sow seeds of division |
| 12:16.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 12:16.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | it feels like |
| 12:16.51 | ZogG_laptop | /s/they/as you ignore me i'll send tru bot =). They/ |
| 12:16.59 | ZogG_laptop | /s/they/as you ignore me i'll send tru bot They/ |
| 12:17.08 | NIN101 | " council *always* needs devices, otherwise they don't know their core topic " well, maybe N9 for all of them, or max 1. would have been a better choise, as there not more than 500 people with an N950, iirc. But meh. |
| 12:17.09 | ZogG_laptop | hmm doesn't matter than |
| 12:17.40 | Venemo | damm. the council should've asked the community: "hey, is it a problem if we choose ourselves too?" the community would have voted: "no problem, sure" + everyone would've been happy that they're so honest and everything. |
| 12:17.58 | Venemo | end result would be the same, except we wouldn't bash them now |
| 12:18.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101: debatable, yes |
| 12:18.12 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: they mentioned it btw, but noone follows everything |
| 12:18.23 | vi__ | Venemo: did you read the mailing list? |
| 12:18.56 | Venemo | I used to, but unsubscribed about a year ago due to it being kinda boring and unconstructive |
| 12:20.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | Venemo: they should have told community "there Quim gives us 25 devices. 5 we'll keep for reference purposes at council, and use them. 10 we keep in a pool to hand out in case of "emergencies" to projects (e.g. when a device breaks and project gets stuck without replacement). The rest will be handed out to users we feel have merits and deserve it" period |
| 12:21.07 | Venemo | that would've been good too. |
| 12:21.15 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: i think nokia decided what the award would be for |
| 12:21.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think so |
| 12:21.32 | ZogG_laptop | i need to go now. =\ |
| 12:21.34 | Venemo | anyway, this whole shit is exactly the reason why I didn't even care about community awards. |
| 12:21.50 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: few of awards are managed by qgil |
| 12:22.13 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: that's why it's important as less devs would care about community =\ |
| 12:22.13 | Venemo | I didn't participate in the community because I wanted a device. so anyway, that's ok with me. |
| 12:22.18 | vi__ | Venemo: well a lot of people do and now they are saying some really shitty things on the forum. |
| 12:22.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | not the award is the problem, the extremely stupidly acting council is |
| 12:22.35 | Venemo | yup. |
| 12:23.00 | ZogG_laptop | that was my point before they started to attack personally |
| 12:23.13 | Venemo | so anyway |
| 12:23.24 | ZogG_laptop | but they choosed to answer those people who personal attack them =) |
| 12:23.29 | Venemo | I've read 13 pages of blahblah in that topic, and it has no use at all |
| 12:23.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have no objections whatsoever against council keeping devices - they need them. Alas they decided to put their merit on the benchmark, instead of plain stating "we need them, we keep them" |
| 12:24.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Venemo: exactly |
| 12:25.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | the whole thread is exacerbating things |
| 12:25.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | it makes _everybody_ feel bad |
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| 12:25.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | triggers name calling, accusations, shouting and whining |
| 12:26.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | and every semi-sane community member turning his back on the thread and possibly the community at large, while silently thinking "WTF?! ¼²¼€¹€@" |
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| 12:28.36 | Macer | well |
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| 12:28.45 | Macer | let me see if ecoach can work without a data connection |
| 12:28.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | instead of asking "the old guys" i.e. the ex-council which are all around and more than willing to help, the recent council in their hybris decided to invent all new, enforce new rules, and do things their very own new stupid way |
| 12:29.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the result they get for that, and well it doesn't come by surprise |
| 12:29.36 | Tofe | DocScrutinizer05: that would be quite a nice way to organize it next time |
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| 12:34.50 | _PanzerSajt | Hy! Can somebody explain me how TV-out works in N900? I'm interested in the kernel level and sysfs level. I'm asking this because I would like to find out whether TV-works on N900 with Ubuntu installed on SD card. |
| 12:35.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | yay |
| 12:35.38 | vi__ | AN N900 QUESTION!!!! |
| 12:36.14 | _PanzerSajt | this channel stands for n900 question, isn't it? |
| 12:36.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | _PanzerSajt: I'm not sure, but _maybe_ javispedro knows a bit about it. alas he's dropping by here really rarely during the last 4+ weeks |
| 12:36.33 | Raimu | vi__: RING THE NINE BELLS!!! |
| 12:37.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | _PanzerSajt: yes, sure. You're absolutely right in asking this question here |
| 12:37.17 | _PanzerSajt | ok thanks ;) |
| 12:37.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a quite demanding question though |
| 12:37.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I admit I have no clue |
| 12:37.42 | _PanzerSajt | yes I know |
| 12:38.12 | ShadowJK | _PanzerSajt; i suspect it wont be plug and play in ubuntu. It's also interesting to note that when playing videos it's setup differently, as the content displayed on tv doesn't match what's on n900 :) |
| 12:38.21 | _PanzerSajt | I have already found some clues that it might work "out of the box" |
| 12:38.44 | Venemo | why don't you just try? |
| 12:38.53 | _PanzerSajt | I was trying |
| 12:38.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, there are separate framebuffers and resolutions for TVout and LCD |
| 12:39.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I think some worker-thread in kernel that does the scaling/copying |
| 12:40.20 | _PanzerSajt | so what I have found out already: |
| 12:40.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | raster knows a friggin lot about it, alas he's really not interested in N900 anymore |
| 12:40.58 | _PanzerSajt | under ubuntu: /sys/devices/omapdss/ and there are two displays |
| 12:41.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, 2 displays |
| 12:41.22 | _PanzerSajt | display 0 is enabled (lcd) |
| 12:41.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2 "framebuffers" |
| 12:41.53 | _PanzerSajt | but when I do the same to display1 nothing seems to happen |
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| 12:42.48 | _PanzerSajt | there's a file called "enabled" |
| 12:43.03 | _PanzerSajt | and inside it show 1 for display0 |
| 12:43.12 | _PanzerSajt | and nothing for display1 |
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| 12:44.29 | ShadowJK | For video atleast, the scaling and conversion is all hw |
| 12:44.44 | _PanzerSajt | DSP is working |
| 12:44.58 | _PanzerSajt | but the sgx530 isn't |
| 12:45.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ls /sys/devices/platform/omapdss/ |
| 12:45.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | bus display0 display1 driver manager0 manager1 microamps_requested_vdac modalias overlay0 overlay1 overlay2 power subsystem uevent |
| 12:45.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ls /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/ |
| 12:45.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | bus driver graphics:fb0 graphics:fb1 graphics:fb2 modalias power subsystem uevent |
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| 12:48.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: yes, sure it's scaling and copying with the DSP/gfx-accel |
| 12:48.35 | Venemo | ok, here's my 20 cents on this mess. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1226693&postcount=387 now let's move on. |
| 12:48.55 | ShadowJK | dss |
| 12:52.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | _PanzerSajt: I suggest you repeat your question in a few (6?) hours. might actually be the wrong time for TZ like US |
| 12:52.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen raster |
| 12:52.49 | infobot | raster <~raster@enlightenment/developer/raster> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 92d 9h 4m 35s ago, saying: 'open is just a bonus'. |
| 12:53.11 | Venemo | :) |
| 12:53.26 | _PanzerSajt | DocScrutinizer, thanks for the advise |
| 12:54.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I however know he's online. He _might_ be willing to help when you query him with generic OMAP3430 related question, esp when you refer to ubuntu and put no emphasis on N900 (there's beagleboard as well, with omap - btw also a channel where you could ask) |
| 12:55.03 | Macer | jesus |
| 12:55.11 | Macer | lumia 900 gps lock... 5s |
| 12:55.18 | Macer | n900 gps lock... never |
| 12:55.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | pffff |
| 12:55.23 | Macer | lol |
| 12:55.51 | Macer | i have to go buy a new armband for my lumia 900.. the n900 just doesn't seem to fair very well without a sim for running |
| 12:56.27 | _PanzerSajt | DocScrutinizer, thanks for pointing out wider product range instead of only one device |
| 12:56.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 12:57.05 | Macer | can't work out with the n900 |
| 12:57.14 | Macer | well... running at least.. i should buy a heart rate monitor while i'm at it |
| 12:57.31 | Gh0sty | why not |
| 12:57.38 | Gh0sty | its heavy enough for lifting weights :p |
| 12:58.04 | Macer | heh |
| 12:58.17 | Macer | i need it for running |
| 12:58.28 | Macer | i just took the damn thing outside for 20mins and it never locked for the gps |
| 12:58.43 | Macer | i just gave up.. i'm going to wait for the stores to open to see if i can find an armband that works with my lumia 900 |
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| 13:01.57 | _PanzerSajt | Regarding GPS. Has anyone ever tried to attach a GPS antenna to the mainboard? http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#External_antennas |
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| 13:04.36 | _PanzerSajt | DocScrutinizer, can you provide me some more details about / sys/devices/platform/omapfb/graphics:fb0; fb1; fb2 ? |
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| 13:06.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | _PanzerSajt: I *think* this should work |
| 13:06.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | (attach external GPS ant) |
| 13:08.02 | _PanzerSajt | that was my thought also |
| 13:08.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | _PanzerSajt: the question is if you can reach the flimsy receptacle, and if you actually want to test the specified 100 mating rounds |
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| 13:09.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc Estel_is working on a new housing, with connector extenders and proper external receptacles. Maybe ask him |
| 13:09.28 | Venemo | new housing for what? |
| 13:09.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | n900 |
| 13:10.16 | Venemo | lol, for what purpose? |
| 13:10.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't ask me, ask him |
| 13:10.39 | Venemo | Estel_, you've been asked |
| 13:11.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | Venemo: check his tmo 'signature' |
| 13:14.07 | Venemo | I'd be interested in a thinner housing, without keyboard, and attaching a capacitive touchscreen |
| 13:14.09 | Venemo | lol |
| 13:14.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | get a n9! |
| 13:14.48 | Venemo | I have one. |
| 13:15.19 | Venemo | but that way, I could use the N900 for hacking around with mer & nemo |
| 13:16.04 | FIQ|n900 | argh :( |
| 13:16.22 | FIQ|n900 | Venemo: I want the opposite for something like a N9 |
| 13:16.23 | Venemo | well, I still could, but it's inconvenient to use the resistive screen anyway. |
| 13:16.41 | Venemo | FIQ|n900, they have the same hw basically. |
| 13:16.44 | FIQ|n900 | that's why I haven't bought it (no keyboard..) |
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| 13:29.49 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: http://www.snewbury.org.uk/maemo/linaro-4.7-2012.06-fremantle-arm7.tar.bz2 |
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| 14:01.39 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; in Helsinki yesterday |
| 14:01.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
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| 14:22.13 | hiemanshu | ~usbfix |
| 14:22.13 | infobot | rumour has it, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
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| 14:26.02 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: wrong channel :P |
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| 14:29.37 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu: Oh |
| 14:29.43 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu: Which channel? |
| 14:30.11 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: mhd |
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| 14:46.42 | Macer | heh |
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| 16:09.56 | Raimu | vi__: Hey -- I was to ask, are you still using compcache on n900? What size/params did you settle on? |
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| 16:42.20 | zeq | Further to the discussion a couple of days ago, I've been researching the different ABIs/ISAs on the Cortex-a8. It turns out the performance difference between float-abi=softfp and float-abi=hard is around 40%, with a further 2x-3x(!) improvement of NEON over VFPv3. An obvious downside of float-abi=hard, is to support it we'd need a multilib glibc build, interesting though, none the less. |
| 16:42.43 | zeq | http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort/ |
| 16:44.59 | jacekowski | zeq: well, it's expected for softfp to be slow |
| 16:45.25 | zeq | softfp is a real FP ABI |
| 16:45.45 | jacekowski | yeah, but with slow calling conventions |
| 16:45.52 | zeq | yes |
| 16:45.57 | jacekowski | and ability to fall back in case of lack of fp |
| 16:46.07 | zeq | in theory |
| 16:46.30 | jacekowski | but i don't see how neon would be faster than vfp3 |
| 16:46.42 | jacekowski | unless you are doing something that can be optimised for simd |
| 16:46.54 | zeq | cortex-a8 doesn't have a real vfp3 |
| 16:47.20 | zeq | just a cut down version, NEON being the primary FPU |
| 16:47.57 | jacekowski | well, i could understand a bit of difference |
| 16:48.01 | jacekowski | but not 2-3x |
| 16:48.57 | jacekowski | what is your benchmark exactly |
| 16:49.37 | zeq | Some devices such as the ARM Cortex-A8 have a cut-down VFPLite module instead of a full VFP module, and require roughly ten times more clock cycles per float operation.[32] Other floating-point and/or SIMD coprocessors found in ARM-based processors include FPA, FPE, iwMMXt. They provide some of the same functionality as VFP but are not opcode-compatible with it. |
| 16:49.42 | zeq | from wikipedia |
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| 16:50.36 | zeq | Genesi USA, Inc. did a proof-of-concept rebuild of Ubuntu karmic (9.10)'s armel port with the hard-floating. They noticed important wins (in the order of 40% performance improvement) in floating-point heavy applications/libraries such as mesa, with a Cortex-A8 CPU. |
| 16:50.43 | zeq | from the debian link ^^^ |
| 16:51.14 | zeq | It is also possible to use NEON instructions for regular scalar floating point code, and this can give significant (2-3x) speedup on Cortex-A8 hardware. However GCC does not currently implement this, and it is not always applicable as NEON instructions are not fully IEEE compliant. |
| 16:51.20 | jacekowski | hmm, if they are saying that vfplite is 10x slower than vfpv3 |
| 16:51.35 | jacekowski | and you are saying that vfplite is 3x slower than neon |
| 16:51.44 | jacekowski | then vfpv3 has to be 3x faster than neon |
| 16:52.14 | jacekowski | well but question remains |
| 16:52.20 | zeq | that's the thing about benchmarks |
| 16:52.20 | jacekowski | is it really important thing |
| 16:52.29 | jacekowski | how many things use fp |
| 16:52.33 | jacekowski | on real phone |
| 16:52.36 | zeq | qt ;) |
| 16:52.51 | jacekowski | if you have hardware 3d |
| 16:52.56 | jacekowski | then mesa argument is gone |
| 16:53.49 | zeq | hildon-desktop is pretty heavy on FP, though as DocScrutinizer05 says, it probably shouldn't be. |
| 16:54.14 | jacekowski | saying that |
| 16:54.17 | zeq | html rendering engines |
| 16:54.24 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 16:54.26 | jacekowski | i've got to go |
| 16:54.27 | zeq | dunno why though |
| 16:54.43 | zeq | ok jacekowski, bye |
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| 16:58.02 | Raimu | zeq: Interesting. |
| 17:01.42 | zeq | Raimu: it'd be a major ABI break to support it |
| 17:01.46 | zeq | Raimu: it'd be a major ABI break to support it |
| 17:03.03 | Raimu | zeq: Yes, I can see that. |
| 17:03.21 | zeq | it's not at all viable to have everything multi-lib |
| 17:03.40 | zeq | not on an N900 anyway! |
| 17:03.56 | Raimu | Yep. Hence "interesting", not "dancing the jig in the rain". |
| 17:04.38 | zeq | shame Nokia didn't make it float=hard from the start |
| 17:05.15 | Raimu | Probably wasn't thought viable then. |
| 17:06.47 | zeq | maybe it was for compatibilty for 3rd-party packages |
| 17:06.52 | zeq | such as the flashplayer |
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| 17:20.30 | ShadowJK | I think meego was one of the first to move to hardfp abi |
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| 17:21.48 | infobot | [abi] Application Binary Interface |
| 17:21.53 | vi__ | ~api |
| 17:23.07 | ShadowJK | I think the biggest hw constraint on N900 is the ram size, so multilib type things are pushing it in that area |
| 17:23.21 | ShadowJK | and also having both gtk and qt is already pushing ram :/ |
| 17:24.13 | zeq | for maemo hardfloat is a non-starter. it would work with easy-debain though. |
| 17:24.18 | Estel_ | yea, but of course, best solution, would be to have device with more ram ;) |
| 17:24.30 | zeq | thumb is helping a lot with RAM |
| 17:24.31 | Raimu | vi_: API is app programming interface. |
| 17:28.40 | zeq | mer should be quite a bit quicker than maemo then |
| 17:29.27 | zeq | there is an experimental Hildon-Desktop Mer |
| 17:29.38 | zeq | (for the N900) |
| 17:29.51 | zeq | anybody tried it? |
| 17:29.53 | Estel_ | Cordia, but it's going to be in beta stage around 2157, earlier |
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| 17:30.15 | Estel_ | AFAIk 2 people work on them, and are quite uninterested in getting more help :) |
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| 17:30.23 | Estel_ | sounds quite low for creating UI |
| 17:30.29 | ShadowJK | I think overall meegoce/nemo uses more ram :/ |
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| 17:30.50 | Estel_ | Nemo got many quierks, witohut any disrespect for people working on it |
| 17:31.00 | Estel_ | IMO, it's less usable than hildon not only by advancement, but by design |
| 17:31.05 | Estel_ | feel "dumbed down" |
| 17:31.05 | zeq | I've not tried it |
| 17:31.20 | Sc0rpius | I agree |
| 17:31.23 | zeq | only got the one devic |
| 17:31.24 | Sc0rpius | Nemo is not good. |
| 17:31.25 | rzr | Estel_, u're trying to make friends :) |
| 17:31.29 | zeq | s/devic/device/ |
| 17:31.30 | Estel_ | well, Mer hardware adaptation for N900 is better than for N9/N950 (!), but user itnerface is optimised for multitouch (!!) |
| 17:31.39 | Sc0rpius | yes |
| 17:31.42 | Sc0rpius | the browser is unusable |
| 17:31.43 | Estel_ | rzr, whatever You mean? |
| 17:31.43 | Sc0rpius | you can't zoom |
| 17:31.49 | Sc0rpius | since you don't have multitouch |
| 17:32.11 | Estel_ | Honestly, Nermo feels like smartphone Ui, not mobile computer one. I.e "symbianish" |
| 17:32.30 | rzr | nothing personnal but the way you're kinda agressive sometimes :) |
| 17:32.49 | rzr | well nevermind , I was just teasing you |
| 17:32.50 | Estel_ | rzr, I preffer word "sharp to the merit" ;) |
| 17:33.02 | Estel_ | I know, noticed :DF |
| 17:33.04 | rzr | no problem |
| 17:33.11 | Estel_ | ~tease |
| 17:37.00 | rzr | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/06/24/1659215/rim-considers-spinning-off-handset-business-from-messaging?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter |
| 17:38.39 | zeq | http://www.snewbury.org.uk/maemo/linaro-4.7-2012.06-fremantle-armv7a.tar.bz2 |
| 17:38.48 | rzr | Estel_, are u in contact w/ xfade for obs ? |
| 17:38.56 | Estel_ | yes. |
| 17:39.44 | rzr | can you estimate when meego's obs will be shut off ? |
| 17:41.10 | rzr | having a obs up and running for m5 would be awsome |
| 17:41.21 | rzr | but this will cost lot of time and/or money |
| 17:41.53 | rzr | i know someone who might be interested setting up a build farm |
| 17:41.54 | hiemanshu | zeq: thats the toolchain? |
| 17:43.48 | zeq | yep, that's what I've been working on |
| 17:47.46 | zeq | testers welcome |
| 17:49.07 | Macer | continuing game of thrones |
| 17:49.16 | Macer | episode 5! wooo! |
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| 18:14.27 | jacekowski | rzr: question is, do you need a farm |
| 18:14.43 | jacekowski | rzr: i mean, for most of maemo building needs a single decent server will suffice |
| 18:15.02 | jacekowski | maybe amazon cloud or something |
| 18:19.55 | merlin1991 | since we were nemo bashing earlier, i totally agree that it feels dumbed down, it essentially is mer core + qt apps, but no desktop widgets or anything integrated deeply into the system |
| 18:20.07 | merlin1991 | in other words iphone + concurrent processes |
| 18:22.12 | ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: does it run on n9? |
| 18:22.27 | merlin1991 | afaik it does |
| 18:22.35 | merlin1991 | I only ever used it on the n900 though |
| 18:22.55 | merlin1991 | but as far as I understand it the only difference is orientation / resolution for the whole ui experience |
| 18:25.15 | Estel_ | + N9/N950 isn't fully supported by Mer (underlying deeper than Nemo, which is UI), at hardware adaptation level |
| 18:25.43 | Estel_ | ironically, N900 is more supporte dby Mer than any device existing, yet, support from Nemo - aka UI - is worse |
| 18:26.05 | Estel_ | I've been talking with Stskeeps about it, and I msut say that You can hardly blame Mer or Nemoi devs for that |
| 18:26.19 | Estel_ | it's about Nokia ADHD and Intel betrayal, to say at least ;) |
| 18:28.50 | ZogG_laptop | because mer was reborn between maemo5 and meego =) |
| 18:28.58 | ZogG_laptop | and than after meego got dumped |
| 18:29.14 | Estel_ | not exactly, but it's off-topic anyway, so I won't elaborate |
| 18:29.36 | Estel_ | fact is, that now we have N9/N950 supported quite well, yet not fully, and supported by Nemo (despite being dumbed down interface) |
| 18:29.41 | ZogG_laptop | how is it offtopic? but whatever you want |
| 18:29.50 | Estel_ | and N900 supported incredibly at hardware level, yet painful to use with Nemo |
| 18:30.12 | ZogG_laptop | as well as maemo5 and n900 have more open parts than harmattan and n9 and aegis =) |
| 18:30.13 | Estel_ | no offense ZogG, dont ruffle feathers. i was just saying that whole story about why it's like that is tooo long to re-tell here |
| 18:30.27 | Estel_ | ZogG, of course, but Maemo and Harmattan is quite unrelated to Mer |
| 18:30.46 | Estel_ | generally, Mer developers were able to work on Mer on working hours... |
| 18:30.49 | ZogG_laptop | i don't care actually =) and no offense taken |
| 18:30.54 | Estel_ | until apocalypses appeared in Nokia |
| 18:31.03 | Estel_ | and Intel changed plans |
| 18:31.16 | ZogG_laptop | Estel_: as far as i know mer goes back in before n900 i think |
| 18:31.22 | Estel_ | due to this, we're probably never going to see full hardware adaptation of Mer to N9 and N950 |
| 18:31.32 | Estel_ | sure, but it was quite different project |
| 18:31.36 | ZogG_laptop | and than again it was left and than developed again few times |
| 18:31.42 | Estel_ | only once ;) |
| 18:31.56 | ZogG_laptop | yeah i know the current one has a lot of meego AFAIK |
| 18:32.08 | Estel_ | well, technically, Mer is better than Maemo and it should work better. The problem is about higher level things, and overall, situation |
| 18:32.15 | Estel_ | many people left after frebruary, etc |
| 18:32.52 | ZogG_laptop | the problem is all about man power and patents =\ |
| 18:32.53 | Estel_ | brb, goin to buy some food ;) |
| 18:33.09 | Estel_ | less patents, more man power :P (although, patents are PITa in many other cases) |
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| 18:34.02 | ZogG_laptop | patents is like communism, it's good idea, but never comes true |
| 18:34.13 | ZogG_laptop | as people are still people |
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| 18:50.06 | freemangordon | wazzup guys |
| 18:54.49 | ZogG_laptop | guly: nice pic on your site =) |
| 18:56.00 | freemangordon | zeq: you've build gcc 4.7.1? |
| 18:56.09 | zeq | yep |
| 18:56.12 | freemangordon | nice |
| 18:56.20 | freemangordon | does it work? |
| 18:56.24 | freemangordon | in CB |
| 18:56.26 | zeq | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.28 | freemangordon | in SB |
| 18:56.37 | zeq | yes |
| 18:56.45 | zeq | better than the 4.6 build |
| 18:56.50 | freemangordon | aah, so I noeed to follow the same procedure? |
| 18:56.59 | freemangordon | better as in? |
| 18:57.12 | zeq | there were some problems with the 4.6 toolchain sb integration |
| 18:57.17 | guly | ZogG_laptop: self accredited artist :)) |
| 18:57.24 | zeq | in particular with fakeroot |
| 18:57.34 | freemangordon | zeq: aah, yes |
| 18:58.25 | freemangordon | I am glad you are more knowledeable than me on toolchain builds, I done it by trial/error method :D |
| 18:59.08 | zeq | :) |
| 18:59.27 | zeq | can't stay around though... football |
| 18:59.35 | freemangordon | ok |
| 19:01.36 | zeq | freemangordon: one other thing, there was/is a problem on garage with the git repo being stuck, they're working on it. |
| 19:01.47 | freemangordon | :( |
| 19:02.14 | zeq | I think i broke it attempting to push mozilla :/ |
| 19:02.30 | freemangordon | maybe after all it is better to use gitorious/github, garage will disappear in a couple of months |
| 19:02.48 | zeq | has that been announced? |
| 19:02.59 | freemangordon | it is a part of maemo.org |
| 19:03.07 | freemangordon | yes, it has been announced |
| 19:03.15 | freemangordon | in one way or another |
| 19:03.38 | zeq | another thing there needs to be a plan for |
| 19:03.40 | freemangordon | zeq: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85061 |
| 19:05.30 | zeq | I'll set it up on github later |
| 19:05.59 | freemangordon | ok. I'll make an account on github later |
| 19:06.05 | zeq | bbl |
| 19:06.13 | freemangordon | bb |
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| 20:40.15 | zeq | freemangordon: https://github.com/sjnewbury/mozilla-central.git |
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| 22:12.22 | RST38h | moos evilly |
| 22:13.08 | Macer | game of thrones season 2 was awesome |
| 22:13.14 | Macer | especially the ending with the dragon girl |
| 22:13.37 | RST38h | Macer: lots of HBO-style fan service, right? |
| 22:13.41 | Macer | yeah |
| 22:13.45 | Macer | but it has a great story |
| 22:13.49 | RST38h | Sex, gore, gays lesbians and midgets! |
| 22:13.55 | Macer | at least better than most of the tv trash out there |
| 22:13.57 | Macer | yeah haha |
| 22:14.01 | RST38h | indeed |
| 22:14.03 | Macer | the midget makes it worthwhile |
| 22:14.13 | Macer | you forgot dragons ;) |
| 22:14.14 | RST38h | somehow made it through the last Fringe season |
| 22:14.20 | SpeedEvil | The midget was more awesome in the books. |
| 22:14.30 | RST38h | fucking shit, they could do better by using SCP articles as scripts |
| 22:14.31 | Macer | i stopped watching x-fringe after season 1 |
| 22:14.46 | Macer | it was meh |
| 22:14.48 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: The midget appears to be the only decent character in the whole cast |
| 22:14.56 | Macer | the alternate universe crap was lame |
| 22:15.30 | Macer | out of episodes tho :( |
| 22:15.30 | SpeedEvil | I was introduced to the books by hearing a naked girl read it. |
| 22:15.39 | SpeedEvil | the internet does wonderful things for literacy. |
| 22:15.43 | RST38h | The whole thing? |
| 22:15.43 | Macer | hahahhaa |
| 22:15.52 | SpeedEvil | Just the first couple of chapters. |
| 22:15.54 | Macer | aren't they like 800 pages? :) |
| 22:17.07 | RST38h | On the other hand, the whole book appears to be one huge Shakespearean fanfic |
| 22:17.15 | RiD | RST38h the last Fringe season is ... uninteresting. |
| 22:17.20 | RST38h | Not necessarily in the bad sense though |
| 22:17.46 | Macer | anything past the 1st season sucked |
| 22:18.00 | Macer | oh wow... lots of undead walking about |
| 22:18.10 | Macer | this poor bastard hahaha |
| 22:18.24 | RiD | i liked the episode with the girl that teased men to their car. then ate them |
| 22:18.26 | SpeedEvil | wishes there were some decent sci-fi. |
| 22:18.39 | SpeedEvil | I've just been rereading Garret P.I. |
| 22:18.44 | SpeedEvil | Err |
| 22:18.47 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Try Dan Simmons |
| 22:18.53 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Also try China Mieville |
| 22:19.03 | SpeedEvil | I don't like Ms Meiville. |
| 22:19.10 | SpeedEvil | Too depressing. |
| 22:19.15 | SpeedEvil | I mean on TV |
| 22:19.22 | Macer | wow.. that has got to be about the worst cg ever |
| 22:19.26 | SpeedEvil | The Dresden Files got murdered |
| 22:19.26 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: He is a guy |
| 22:19.28 | Macer | hahaha |
| 22:19.30 | SpeedEvil | Oops |
| 22:19.35 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: And never been on TV afaik |
| 22:19.39 | Macer | the end of season 2 of game of thrones looked like a ps1 game |
| 22:19.53 | SpeedEvil | points to Babylon 5 CGI. |
| 22:19.59 | Macer | yeah haha |
| 22:20.04 | SpeedEvil | It was good at the time. |
| 22:20.05 | Macer | babylon5 probablay did better |
| 22:20.11 | SpeedEvil | But - it's looking kinda dated now. |
| 22:20.18 | Macer | but the end of game of thrones was awful cg |
| 22:20.25 | SpeedEvil | I mean - Galaxy On Fire almost beats it at times. :) |
| 22:20.39 | Macer | hey.. back in the day they had to use model trickery ;) |
| 22:20.47 | Venemo | SpeedEvil, I wish there were some recent sci-fi- |
| 22:20.48 | SpeedEvil | B5 was entirely CG |
| 22:20.56 | Macer | look at the old star wars movies... all that puppet and model trickery |
| 22:20.59 | Venemo | I mean, they killed all sci-fi series.... |
| 22:21.04 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: you mean on TV? |
| 22:21.14 | Macer | SpeedEvil: it was one of the first to do it wasn't it? |
| 22:21.21 | SpeedEvil | Macer: Pretty much. |
| 22:21.22 | Macer | i thought that was a big deal when b5 was out |
| 22:21.41 | RiD | the hell is b5 |
| 22:21.46 | SpeedEvil | Babylon 5. |
| 22:21.47 | Macer | a 5s scene probably took like 3 weeks to render |
| 22:21.52 | Macer | lol |
| 22:21.57 | Macer | using sgi based stuff :) |
| 22:22.09 | Macer | you can see they reused a lot of it |
| 22:22.09 | RiD | 93-98 |
| 22:22.23 | SpeedEvil | RiD: sounds about right. |
| 22:22.54 | Macer | i liked babylon 5 |
| 22:23.01 | SpeedEvil | Me too. |
| 22:23.01 | Macer | other than the cheesy acting sometimes .. it was a good storyline |
| 22:23.19 | SpeedEvil | More than just episodes, and then back to the original condition. |
| 22:23.22 | RiD | i liked shameless |
| 22:23.26 | RiD | but that's no sci-fi |
| 22:23.44 | Estel_ | equlibrium is msotly unknown, and good sci-fi - although cinema, not serial |
| 22:23.58 | Raimu | I didn't like Equilibrium that much. |
| 22:23.59 | Macer | SpeedEvil: babylon 5 started to go downhill after the shadow war ;) |
| 22:24.10 | Raimu | Then again, I was just recovering from my "hate The Matrix" phase. :D |
| 22:24.11 | Macer | and dont even get me started on that season 5 abortion |
| 22:24.14 | SpeedEvil | Macer: Crusade |
| 22:24.22 | Macer | crusade sucked so bad |
| 22:24.26 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 22:24.26 | Raimu | B5 Crusade was pretty darn abysmal. |
| 22:24.40 | Macer | although.. if you watched west wing |
| 22:24.42 | RiD | there are glitches i nthe matrix |
| 22:24.43 | Macer | it was bingo bob :) |
| 22:24.45 | Estel_ | But, but, as per historical - I enjoyed Pillars of the earth much. i know, I'm not casual tv viewer, so it's probably too mainstream for You :D |
| 22:24.46 | SpeedEvil | It took what was worst in star-trek, and what was worst in B5, then added them. |
| 22:24.50 | Macer | that's the only other show i ever saw him in haha |
| 22:25.13 | Macer | Estel_: they only had 1 season :-/ |
| 22:25.15 | Macer | it didn't rate well |
| 22:25.43 | Raimu | Estel_, there's a series adaptation of that? |
| 22:25.45 | Macer | i thought it was ok.. not great but good |
| 22:26.30 | Macer | SpeedEvil: yeah haha... that was crusade in a nutshell |
| 22:27.11 | Macer | as bad as bad gets ... it would have been good to see more technomage stuff |
| 22:27.29 | Macer | i always wished they popped back up in the original series but they never did |
| 22:27.40 | Estel_ | hey, i'm glad pillars of the earth was one series! |
| 22:27.44 | Estel_ | i don't like never-ending-series |
| 22:27.56 | Estel_ | if it's like up to 13 parts, it's ok, like longer cinema |
| 22:27.56 | Macer | yeah but it's like they cut it off half way :) |
| 22:27.59 | Estel_ | other become lost :P |
| 22:28.07 | Macer | omg lost was awful |
| 22:28.08 | Estel_ | Macer, where Pillars of the earth was cut? 0_o |
| 22:28.12 | Estel_ | it wa sbase don novel |
| 22:28.19 | Estel_ | next aprt of this novel was 200 years later |
| 22:28.25 | Macer | yes. unless i missed something |
| 22:28.28 | Estel_ | I hope you don't want to see 200 years of kingsbridge history :P |
| 22:28.30 | Estel_ | in screen:p |
| 22:28.48 | Macer | i saw up to the part where she gave birth to the bastard child after the church collapsed |
| 22:28.49 | Estel_ | BTw, they're making adaptation of continuation too |
| 22:28.54 | Macer | were there more episodes or something? |
| 22:28.59 | Estel_ | so you haven't seen whole |
| 22:29.05 | Estel_ | missed 2 parts IIRC |
| 22:29.07 | Macer | oh.. i guess that explains it haha |
| 22:29.17 | Macer | i was like.... wtf? they cancelled it? |
| 22:29.22 | RiD | Estel_ a good example of never ending series, Smallvile |
| 22:29.23 | RiD | ugh |
| 22:29.31 | Estel_ | no, it was both financial and critic sucess ;P |
| 22:29.32 | RiD | smallville* |
| 22:29.41 | Estel_ | haha, i'm glad I didn't saw it |
| 22:29.47 | Estel_ | as said, i'm verypicky about seriales |
| 22:29.57 | Macer | i watched like 4 episodes of smallville |
| 22:30.00 | RiD | 10 friggin seasons! |
| 22:30.01 | Estel_ | Cinema - yes, series - no, most of the time. Except for exceptional ones |
| 22:30.04 | Estel_ | (see Twin peaks) |
| 22:30.05 | Macer | i couldn't do repeating stories |
| 22:30.29 | RiD | one series i liked very much was The Finder |
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| 22:30.36 | Macer | i never watched twin peaks either heh |
| 22:30.36 | Estel_ | well, they've abused House unsanely |
| 22:30.42 | Estel_ | i'm glad he told them GTFO |
| 22:30.56 | Macer | gtfo? house |
| 22:30.57 | Macer | ? |
| 22:30.59 | Estel_ | Macer, must see it, it's not only classic - it still keeps those things :D |
| 22:31.06 | Estel_ | actor playing main character ;) |
| 22:31.15 | Estel_ | they wanted to do at leas6t 23547623573275672 seazons more, but he resigned |
| 22:31.21 | Macer | house did??? |
| 22:31.23 | Macer | wow |
| 22:31.25 | Estel_ | so they cancelled :P |
| 22:31.25 | RiD | he was getting od |
| 22:31.28 | RiD | old* |
| 22:31.39 | Macer | stares at NCIS |
| 22:31.40 | Estel_ | actually, quite time ago |
| 22:31.41 | Macer | heh |
| 22:31.52 | Macer | i got up to the one where he was going back to jail over toilets or something |
| 22:32.00 | Macer | i guess that explains why they were killing wilson haha |
| 22:32.00 | Estel_ | RiD, no diea about the Finder, what was that? |
| 22:32.20 | RiD | Estel_, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1943524/ |
| 22:32.46 | Estel_ | ah, some supernatural |
| 22:33.11 | RiD | not really lol. I found it very nice to watch, it's a shame fox cancelled it |
| 22:33.23 | Estel_ | honestly though, have anyone played Heavy Rain? I haven't as it got released only for awful consoles, but it looks like perfectly realized serie in a nutshell ;) |
| 22:33.35 | Estel_ | Rid, i'm not criticizing, haven't seen it as said |
| 22:33.41 | Estel_ | I just commented that he got supernatural powers |
| 22:33.55 | Macer | i didn't know they cancelled house |
| 22:34.07 | Estel_ | Macer, it was overdue few years, already :P |
| 22:34.07 | RiD | the only thing i remember of heavy rain was the squared stroller |
| 22:34.15 | RiD | (on heavy rain) |
| 22:34.20 | Macer | Estel_: i suppose |
| 22:34.33 | Macer | i need to watch the last one then.. i never went back to it ;) |
| 22:35.27 | Estel_ | Macer, as per Pilalrs, You've missed transforming kingsbridge into semi-fortress and villagers fighting back ;0 |
| 22:35.43 | Macer | Estel_: i totally forgot the entire storyline by now |
| 22:35.59 | Estel_ | wort re-watching, from beginning to end. BTw, I msut refresh twin peaks |
| 22:36.04 | Macer | other than the family trying to become rich after their father was killed as a trator.. etc |
| 22:36.05 | Estel_ | althohgh this one is quite unforgetable |
| 22:36.10 | Macer | and the bastard baby |
| 22:36.22 | RiD | i can't rewatch anything |
| 22:36.24 | Estel_ | Macer, witch and her son was mroe interesting :D |
| 22:36.27 | RiD | or re read books |
| 22:36.28 | Estel_ | were* |
| 22:36.28 | Macer | isnt twin peaks like.. a soap opera? |
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| 22:36.34 | Estel_ | Macer, lol? |
| 22:36.35 | Macer | like dallas or something? |
| 22:36.39 | Raimu | :D |
| 22:36.49 | Estel_ | I would risk to say that 90% of people doesn't get twin peaks plot at all, so probnably not ;) |
| 22:36.52 | Macer | i always thought it was one of those everybody is rich 90s types of shows |
| 22:36.54 | Estel_ | it's quite psychodelic |
| 22:36.56 | SpeedEvil | Twin peaks had a plot? |
| 22:37.07 | Macer | SpeedEvil: LOL |
| 22:37.07 | Raimu | :DDD |
| 22:37.26 | Raimu | How's Annie? Good night. |
| 22:37.29 | RiD | *spam mode* any mechanical keyboard user? |
| 22:37.53 | Macer | i have my old ibm keyboard still :-P with mechanical keys |
| 22:37.53 | SpeedEvil | I'm using an old IBM trackpoint keyboard. |
| 22:38.03 | SpeedEvil | But it's not properly mechanical |
| 22:38.05 | Estel_ | whatever You mean by mechanical keyboard |
| 22:38.05 | Macer | the clickyclacky ones |
| 22:38.13 | Estel_ | it is something that write without computer use? :D |
| 22:38.14 | SpeedEvil | In the usual sense. |
| 22:38.23 | SpeedEvil | It's similar to a thinkpad laptop |
| 22:38.27 | Macer | that thing can get ran over by a car and still work haha |
| 22:38.27 | Estel_ | heh, I got keyboard with big buttons. |
| 22:38.28 | RiD | I'm not of those times. I'm post 90. |
| 22:38.41 | RiD | But erm, I want one |
| 22:38.46 | Estel_ | no, keyboards with big buttons are much better and more comfortable for writing ;) |
| 22:38.49 | Macer | all newer keyboards use that lame plastic/rubber circuit board thing |
| 22:38.57 | RiD | ^ exactly why i want to change |
| 22:39.01 | SpeedEvil | At the moment, I'm using the keyboard under the blankets. |
| 22:39.01 | Macer | made in china |
| 22:39.06 | SpeedEvil | The trackpoint is awesome for this. |
| 22:39.08 | RiD | my microsoft have had it's time |
| 22:39.11 | Estel_ | Macer, I bought mine for 5 $, It even got USB 1.1 HUB :D |
| 22:39.13 | Macer | the ibm had actual mechanical keys |
| 22:39.19 | Estel_ | and it's USB! :P |
| 22:39.20 | RiD | SpeedEvil that looks perv |
| 22:39.23 | Macer | Estel_: because it's made in a sweatshop ;) |
| 22:39.35 | Macer | probably cost them $0.10 to make |
| 22:39.36 | SpeedEvil | RiD: I got into the habit over the winter, with no heating |
| 22:39.41 | Raimu | I have a buckling spring IBM keyboard, but I just shelved it a couple of weeks ago 'cause my spouse had a problem with the noise. |
| 22:39.41 | Macer | slave labor helps |
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| 22:39.45 | Estel_ | no no, my keyboard got big buttons and it's "old style" for mopst, yet, it'sUSB with hub :P |
| 22:39.50 | Estel_ | and got one awesome feat: |
| 22:39.53 | Estel_ | *fanfares* |
| 22:39.58 | Macer | Raimu: heh.. eyah.. they clack really loud |
| 22:40.03 | Estel_ | '\' key below 'Return' |
| 22:40.03 | Macer | but they'll never mess up on you |
| 22:40.03 | RiD | I don't care if the keyboard is loud |
| 22:40.09 | RiD | all I want is to make it easier for me to type faster |
| 22:40.09 | Estel_ | (and above ctrl) |
| 22:40.18 | RiD | 120WPM and bottoming out every key sometimes is not cool |
| 22:40.19 | Macer | RiD: then just type more heh |
| 22:40.23 | Raimu | Macer: I loved the clickety-clack and the tactile perfection, but this generic USB keyboard is all right for now. |
| 22:40.38 | Macer | believe it or not i found that the MS ergo keyboards were actually pretty good |
| 22:40.51 | Macer | cheap overpriced made in china crap... but still good :) |
| 22:41.00 | Macer | but that's everything post 1990 |
| 22:41.15 | Raimu | Yeah, it's kinda hilarious that a 1988 keyboard still works fine. |
| 22:41.27 | RiD | and *better* |
| 22:41.31 | Raimu | Yes! |
| 22:41.32 | Macer | Raimu: my parents have a stereo receiver from the 70s that still works.. and is better |
| 22:41.34 | SpeedEvil | I hated the MS natural keyboard |
| 22:41.42 | Macer | anything you buy nowadays lasts 5 years |
| 22:41.46 | Macer | then mysteriously dies |
| 22:41.51 | Macer | china keeping its business going |
| 22:42.04 | RiD | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1536586/overclock.net/20120624_002.jpg |
| 22:42.06 | RiD | i hate that thing |
| 22:42.35 | Macer | that's not an ergo keyboard |
| 22:42.40 | RiD | I'm not saying it is |
| 22:42.54 | RiD | that's my keyboard |
| 22:42.58 | Macer | i still use a logitech keyboard from like 2000 heh |
| 22:43.16 | SpeedEvil | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IBM-Computer-Keyboard-US-English-PS-2-with-UltraNav-NEW-/190690477732?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item2c6609c6a4 |
| 22:43.22 | SpeedEvil | Though I have the one with the big enter |
| 22:43.35 | Estel_ | my one have big enter |
| 22:43.41 | Estel_ | and \ below enter and above ctrl :D |
| 22:43.47 | Estel_ | it's epic for games, if someone doewsn't use WSAD |
| 22:44.02 | Estel_ | I was using cursors for ages |
| 22:44.13 | Estel_ | and writing on "mechanical" one is great |
| 22:44.21 | RiD | every recent mechanical keyboard is so $ :( |
| 22:44.35 | Estel_ | funny, because as said, I bought mine for 5$ |
| 22:44.43 | Estel_ | and it's still USB interface |
| 22:44.48 | Estel_ | of course it was used |
| 22:44.56 | Macer | SpeedEvil: wow that thing is ugly |
| 22:44.59 | RiD | USB doesn't mean it's better anyways |
| 22:45.00 | Raimu | These guys bought the rights to the old IBM design, by the way: http://www.pckeyboard.com/ |
| 22:45.06 | Estel_ | its BTC, mine |
| 22:45.13 | SpeedEvil | Macer: Meh. Works well for my use-case. |
| 22:45.16 | Estel_ | Rid, USb mean I can connect it to notebook or N900 |
| 22:45.19 | Raimu | Theirs are replicas, apparently workable but a little cheap on the materials. |
| 22:45.22 | Estel_ | while Ps/2 can't |
| 22:45.25 | Macer | like i said .. ihave one of those giant ibm ones |
| 22:45.30 | RiD | Estel_ well, you're right there |
| 22:45.33 | Estel_ | except for adapters, that doesn't work on more than 2 keys pressed at once |
| 22:45.33 | Macer | with the clacking keys heh |
| 22:45.35 | Estel_ | or even 1 |
| 22:45.37 | SpeedEvil | I have the above - with a USB adaptor. |
| 22:45.38 | RiD | look at that website and their products |
| 22:45.39 | Macer | the ones where you can remove the keys |
| 22:45.40 | Macer | :) |
| 22:45.41 | RiD | everything above 80 dollar |
| 22:45.44 | SpeedEvil | Which works fine for multi-keys |
| 22:45.48 | Macer | those things are classic |
| 22:45.59 | merlin1991 | anybody know how to dump the tracker mime mapping database to a human readable format |
| 22:46.07 | merlin1991 | or where it is even located? |
| 22:46.13 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, finding correctly working adaptor wasn't possible for me, so I was glad like hell when found my one |
| 22:46.32 | SpeedEvil | I've got abotu 5 I think. |
| 22:47.04 | Macer | merlin1991: hey... with talk like that you might win a dev award and get a free device! |
| 22:47.10 | Macer | hides |
| 22:47.25 | merlin1991 | Macer: good one :D |
| 22:47.35 | RiD | hiding isn't enough, RUN!! |
| 22:47.36 | Macer | get on the council and you win automatically! woooo!! |
| 22:47.42 | Macer | (HIGH FIVES!) |
| 22:47.44 | RiD | http://pckeyboard.com/page/category/KBDCFG |
| 22:47.47 | Macer | heh |
| 22:47.47 | RiD | custom keyboard 0$ :D |
| 22:47.52 | merlin1991 | nah honestly I'm trying to debug why a cssu update for tracker removed the ogg/flac dataminig |
| 22:48.09 | merlin1991 | and my bet is on it got lost in the db, but I can't know for sure without actually checking that :D |
| 22:48.20 | Macer | merlin1991: you should worry more about maemo.org going down .. hope people moved all that stuff by now :) |
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| 22:48.38 | Macer | pretty sure a penny pincher at nokia will notice it sooner or later |
| 22:49.11 | merlin1991 | *not sure if mocking me* |
| 22:49.36 | RiD | every keyboard i search on amazon with blue or brown switches are over 70 dollar |
| 22:50.04 | vi__ | I would like to bump the ban abill_uk thread. Would this be in bad taste? |
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| 22:50.19 | Macer | OMG.. i'm watching the last house |
| 22:50.23 | Macer | wtf happened to kumar.. he is a fatass |
| 22:50.39 | RiD | kumar is cool on Harold&Kumar |
| 22:50.54 | RiD | too bad the last one ( A Very H&K Christmas ) sucked |
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| 22:51.01 | Macer | i only saw the white castle one |
| 22:51.25 | Macer | merlin1991: half mocking. half true. ;) |
| 22:51.26 | RiD | the 2nd one has bottomless party and obama binladen bottom beard |
| 22:51.33 | RiD | Interested enough? |
| 22:53.04 | RiD | http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81ajUqtGOCL._AA1500_.jpg what's wrong with that keyboard |
| 22:53.54 | robbiethe1st | The win button? |
| 22:54.29 | Macer | heh |
| 22:54.33 | trx | win button is not a problem |
| 22:54.40 | trx | f1 - f4 is :) |
| 22:55.35 | RiD | i don't see how people even like those keyboards |
| 22:56.12 | Macer | lol |
| 22:59.09 | merlin1991 | hm the win button is the only one that makes sense |
| 22:59.32 | merlin1991 | because it most probably toggles the mod4 or however the key is for the windows signed button |
| 23:03.13 | RiD | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0-X1-1lk-Q&feature=g-all-u |
| 23:06.29 | kerio | swollen battery. throw away immediately? (y/n) |
| 23:06.53 | SpeedEvil | kerio: yes |
| 23:06.55 | Estel_ | kerio, could You elaborate? |
| 23:07.11 | kerio | goddammit this is my second battery |
| 23:07.15 | kerio | and i need to swap them to charge them |
| 23:07.19 | SpeedEvil | kerio: wrap it in something, there is a nonzero chance it may catch fire. |
| 23:07.23 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 23:07.33 | kerio | SpeedEvil: it's not *that* swollen |
| 23:07.34 | Estel_ | You mena that it become "bigger" thicker, than it should? |
| 23:07.37 | kerio | Estel_: yeah |
| 23:08.09 | SpeedEvil | kerio: Well - as long as you're happy with it gushing fire next to your genitals. |
| 23:08.11 | Estel_ | from rpactice, I would except no more than decreased capacity, but if it becomes bigger and bigger, SpeedEvil is right, it may catch fire/explode/whatever |
| 23:08.17 | kerio | SpeedEvil: i'm at home |
| 23:08.21 | kerio | it's far away from my genitals |
| 23:08.27 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 23:08.28 | Estel_ | You don't keep Your genitals at home? |
| 23:08.38 | kerio | Estel_: i don't keep them on my desk |
| 23:08.47 | Estel_ | sounds reasonable :) |
| 23:09.04 | Estel_ | the problem is with it seeding fire to Your house/desk, then |
| 23:09.07 | kerio | stupid cheap batteries |
| 23:09.11 | SpeedEvil | kerio: you should get an ergonomic desk, so you can. |
| 23:09.14 | kerio | haha |
| 23:09.21 | kerio | i don't think "ergonomic" means that |
| 23:09.34 | Estel_ | docking station ;0 |
| 23:09.50 | kerio | anyway |
| 23:10.05 | kerio | this means that my phone is unusable during the night |
| 23:10.08 | kerio | fun stuff |
| 23:10.35 | kerio | i can either buy a new battery or a new phone, i suppose |
| 23:11.00 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 23:11.10 | kerio | SpeedEvil: i have no way to repair mine |
| 23:11.22 | SpeedEvil | I would not be very worried if it was a nokia battery |
| 23:11.23 | kerio | the usb port is broken since like two years now |
| 23:11.26 | kerio | it's not |
| 23:11.33 | SpeedEvil | but a third party battery is a bad thing. |
| 23:11.45 | Estel_ | kerio, why not sending device for fix somewhere? |
| 23:11.46 | kerio | the nokia battery i have is *vaguely* firmer than it was |
| 23:11.51 | kerio | Estel_: like where? |
| 23:12.02 | Estel_ | kerio, from time to time, I have very good/ideal condition devices for 180 euro, WITH reinforced USB port |
| 23:12.11 | kerio | hm |
| 23:12.17 | Estel_ | all with foil on screen |
| 23:12.18 | kerio | but the galaxy s3 just came out! |
| 23:12.19 | robbiethe1st | Get a couple of those Japod/scud replacements; the ones with the same real capacity as the Nokia ones |
| 23:12.27 | Estel_ | kerio, who care about android shit, lol? |
| 23:12.33 | kerio | Estel_: i know, i know |
| 23:12.37 | kerio | but it's a fucking quad core |
| 23:12.41 | Estel_ | robbiethe1st, scuds and japods got bigger capacity |
| 23:12.52 | Estel_ | kerio, nice, they can use fuckin quad core to encrypt spying on You |
| 23:13.00 | Estel_ | and You can use fuckin quad core to play nagry birds and browse we b |
| 23:13.03 | Estel_ | web* |
| 23:13.05 | Estel_ | and check mail |
| 23:13.06 | robbiethe1st | Well, slightly. |
| 23:13.09 | Estel_ | sounds like a deal |
| 23:13.10 | Estel_ | ... |
| 23:13.17 | Estel_ | robbie, scud was 1530 mAh |
| 23:13.24 | Estel_ | it's no longer manufactured, though |
| 23:13.28 | kerio | Estel_: i'll probably end up buying a new n900, yeah |
| 23:13.52 | Estel_ | well, the one I have from time to time are use,d by in very good/ideal condition. I'm reinforcing their usb ports myself. |
| 23:13.57 | Estel_ | + checking every sensor, etc |
| 23:14.04 | kerio | Estel_: shipping from where? |
| 23:14.07 | Estel_ | Poland |
| 23:14.17 | kerio | huh, it's not even that far |
| 23:14.19 | kerio | i'm in italy |
| 23:14.29 | Estel_ | yea, postal inside EU, should be quite fast :) |
| 23:14.40 | kerio | Estel_: never had to deal with the italian mail service, huh |
| 23:14.47 | Estel_ | at leats you know that it doesn't contain hidden malfunctions |
| 23:14.51 | Estel_ | kerio, same for polish :P |
| 23:14.57 | merlin1991 | Estel_: unless customs fucks you up again :D |
| 23:15.02 | Estel_ | still, it's better than sending to USA or australia |
| 23:15.10 | Estel_ | merlin1991, I'm bulletproof now :P |
| 23:15.17 | merlin1991 | how? :D |
| 23:15.19 | Estel_ | experienced earned :p |
| 23:15.33 | Estel_ | I'm sending documents to customs every time I send package :p |
| 23:15.37 | Estel_ | could kiss my ass now |
| 23:15.42 | merlin1991 | hehe |
| 23:15.49 | Estel_ | in fact, it seems that they've started to forward my packages without chercking, lol |
| 23:15.51 | merlin1991 | srly with the eu and everything it should be easier |
| 23:15.59 | Estel_ | maybe I should start smuggling opium |
| 23:16.01 | kerio | hm, there's a used n900 for 31,50€ on ebay.it |
| 23:16.10 | kerio | with "software problems", he says |
| 23:16.15 | robbiethe1st | Get it! |
| 23:16.17 | Estel_ | kerio, lol, so go and buy it. then report back what is it :P |
| 23:16.26 | kerio | the auction ends in like 10 hours |
| 23:16.27 | kerio | hm |
| 23:16.29 | Estel_ | I suspect broken USb OR non workling modem OR it's not N900 :p |
| 23:16.29 | robbiethe1st | I've fixed a couple through reflashing. |
| 23:16.35 | kerio | nah |
| 23:16.40 | kerio | it's probably been overclocked into shit |
| 23:16.58 | Estel_ | whats problem with it |
| 23:17.13 | Estel_ | overlocking danger is a myth, unless someone keep it at 1000 or more. |
| 23:17.14 | kerio | "it locks up sometimes" |
| 23:17.18 | Estel_ | haha |
| 23:17.20 | kerio | sold as not working |
| 23:17.24 | Estel_ | speedpatch, probably |
| 23:17.38 | Estel_ | well, i rather expect gsm modem going retardish |
| 23:17.45 | robbiethe1st | I'd say it's likely fixable by reworking the voltage if it crashes at a certain frequency. |
| 23:17.58 | Estel_ | robbie, either it's crap in software, or malfunctioning hardware |
| 23:17.58 | robbiethe1st | ...Or just swap issues |
| 23:18.10 | Estel_ | kerio, could You spare link? |
| 23:18.38 | kerio | ugh, what link do i have to copy? |
| 23:18.42 | Estel_ | url? |
| 23:18.44 | robbiethe1st | Well, seems to me that if you had a borderline N900 CPU, you might fix it by overvolting it slightly, to get it stable again. |
| 23:18.54 | kerio | http://www.ebay.it/itm/170862551308 |
| 23:18.57 | Estel_ | robbiethe1st, kp50 does it for You (in fact, 49 too) |
| 23:19.06 | Estel_ | Sr stable for up to 900 mhz |
| 23:19.10 | Estel_ | BTw, congratz on won N9 :) |
| 23:19.17 | Estel_ | won/awarded, whatever |
| 23:19.21 | robbiethe1st | Yeah, I saw that a couple days ago. |
| 23:19.25 | Estel_ | :) |
| 23:19.32 | kerio | i could probably sell mine for like 100€ |
| 23:19.35 | Estel_ | welcome to the club of undeserving bastards :) |
| 23:19.40 | kerio | broken usb port, but everything else works |
| 23:19.44 | robbiethe1st | What surprised me was the lack of interest overall... there wasn't a whole lot of names on the applicants list |
| 23:19.45 | Estel_ | kerio, quite possible |
| 23:19.51 | Estel_ | then only 90 to get perfectly working one :p |
| 23:19.55 | Estel_ | 80* |
| 23:20.00 | kerio | Estel_: interested in a swap? |
| 23:20.01 | Estel_ | robbie, TF |
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| 23:20.08 | Estel_ | kerio, no way :D |
| 23:20.12 | Estel_ | robbiethe1st, wtf? |
| 23:20.15 | Estel_ | la;ck of interest? |
| 23:20.18 | kerio | ok fine, a swap and a bit of money |
| 23:20.20 | Estel_ | we got spammed to heil by applications |
| 23:20.27 | robbiethe1st | I only saw like 60-80 names on the wiki |
| 23:20.30 | Estel_ | kerio, no way, sell it somewhere :P |
| 23:20.31 | robbiethe1st | for like 60 devices? |
| 23:20.42 | Estel_ | robbie, for 25 devices |
| 23:20.49 | robbiethe1st | Oh, well, still, same thing |
| 23:20.57 | Estel_ | rest 75 was divided between qt5, nokia store, and CC |
| 23:21.04 | Estel_ | 60-80 is too much for me. |
| 23:21.11 | robbiethe1st | I recall the N950 giveaway... there was a /lot/ of applicants |
| 23:21.11 | Estel_ | it was prize for god damnit contributions |
| 23:21.33 | robbiethe1st | Yeah. |
| 23:21.45 | kerio | Estel_: let's say i wanted to buy a n900 from you |
| 23:21.47 | Estel_ | well, we've dropped some idiots registered 4 months ago and doing 1 project, scavenged from javispedro work... |
| 23:21.49 | Estel_ | and demanding N950 |
| 23:21.50 | Macer | jesus |
| 23:21.51 | kerio | hypothetically |
| 23:21.54 | Estel_ | it even started little flamewar on TMO ;0 |
| 23:21.55 | Macer | they didn't just cancell house |
| 23:21.58 | Macer | they totally killed him haha |
| 23:22.01 | robbiethe1st | wow, yeah |
| 23:22.07 | kerio | they did what? |
| 23:22.17 | Estel_ | killed House (not actor playing him :P ) |
| 23:22.19 | robbiethe1st | (also, I'm definitely in the undeserving bastard list. And I know it) |
| 23:22.23 | Macer | yeah haha |
| 23:22.27 | kerio | oh, the finale of season 8? |
| 23:22.29 | Macer | didn't see that happening |
| 23:22.41 | Estel_ | kerio, so what about hyphotetical situation? |
| 23:22.41 | kerio | yeah, it was unexpected |
| 23:22.45 | Macer | yeah.. they totally killed him haha |
| 23:22.59 | kerio | Estel_: do you have one to sell now? |
| 23:23.08 | Macer | his mail order bride was hot |
| 23:23.13 | Estel_ | I can have in few days to two weeks max |
| 23:23.28 | Estel_ | Macer, wtf bwas that about mail order bride? saw about 15 seconds of this episode |
| 23:23.32 | Estel_ | when he was getting maried |
| 23:23.41 | Estel_ | and said to her, that he don't sleep with married women |
| 23:23.44 | Estel_ | nothing else |
| 23:23.44 | kerio | Estel_: for how much? |
| 23:23.51 | Estel_ | 180 euro + shipping |
| 23:23.56 | Macer | Estel_: yeah haha... he mail ordered her |
| 23:23.59 | kerio | hm |
| 23:24.05 | Estel_ | with reinforced USB, and every aprt chercked as thoroughly as possible |
| 23:24.10 | Macer | that was pretty funny |
| 23:24.20 | Estel_ | Macer, I though she's immigrant or whatever |
| 23:24.35 | Estel_ | getting married to get green card or smth |
| 23:24.36 | kerio | Estel_: not anymore, she's got a green card now :D |
| 23:24.40 | Estel_ | :p |
| 23:24.48 | kerio | Macer: saw the whole episode? |
| 23:24.52 | Estel_ | erm, afraid to ask, but why he mail ordered bride? |
| 23:24.59 | kerio | it wasn't a mail order bride |
| 23:25.10 | kerio | it was... huh, right after he broke up with cuddy? |
| 23:25.22 | Estel_ | nice to know that he was with cuddy at all ;) |
| 23:25.27 | kerio | she was a prostitute, i think |
| 23:25.34 | Macer | kerio: yeah haha |
| 23:25.39 | Macer | kerio: no i'm still watching it |
| 23:25.40 | Estel_ | still, why getting married? weedings suxx. |
| 23:25.43 | Macer | he faked his own death ahhaa |
| 23:26.00 | kerio | Estel_: she gets a green card, he gets a housemaid+benefits in the time it takes for her to get the green card |
| 23:26.04 | kerio | and, like, money |
| 23:26.32 | Estel_ | kerio, sounds nice, but afaik he dropped benefits. I know better ways to get housemaid than getting married |
| 23:26.40 | Estel_ | not to mean doing cleanming on Your own :P |
| 23:26.48 | Estel_ | I still think I preffer first 3 seazons :P |
| 23:26.59 | kerio | how should i dispose of this battery? |
| 23:27.03 | Estel_ | eat it. |
| 23:27.04 | kerio | my first instinct is to throw it out of the window |
| 23:27.15 | Estel_ | give it away to any shop selling batteries |
| 23:27.20 | Estel_ | in EU, they're supposed to take it back |
| 23:27.22 | kerio | second instinct is the general garbage |
| 23:27.29 | Macer | he fell in love with her |
| 23:27.31 | Macer | she's hot |
| 23:27.33 | Macer | heh |
| 23:27.44 | Estel_ | Macer, watching last episode? |
| 23:27.47 | kerio | Estel_: never had to deal with *anything* in italy, huh? |
| 23:27.47 | Macer | at the end he found out like she was soviet scientist smart :) |
| 23:27.59 | Estel_ | Macer, 0_o? |
| 23:28.00 | Macer | i miss the cold war |
| 23:28.15 | Macer | i'm still watching it |
| 23:28.18 | Macer | last episode now |
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| 23:28.37 | Estel_ | Macer, you know watching Tv eats Your brain? |
| 23:28.43 | Macer | so are they going to start up Chase MD now? :-P |
| 23:28.45 | kerio | so... new n900 or dumbphone+openpandora? |
| 23:28.45 | Estel_ | listen to Radio instead :P |
| 23:29.15 | Estel_ | kerio, openpandora sounds like machine for gaming, mostly. And if You can have something of this size... |
| 23:29.22 | Estel_ | You could as good buy notebook/netbook |
| 23:29.51 | Macer | just don't get a chromebook |
| 23:29.53 | kerio | hehe |
| 23:29.59 | Estel_ | anyway, if You're interested more than hyphoteticaly, don't forget to tell me, so I can start searching for it ;0 |
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| 23:30.51 | kerio | i'll get to you tomorrow |
| 23:30.58 | kerio | well, today, but after i sleep |
| 23:30.58 | Macer | haha... the black dude knows he faked his death |
| 23:31.05 | Macer | he left his id in his office on purpose |
| 23:31.15 | kerio | Macer: wow, you really know the characters well huh |
| 23:31.31 | Macer | i'm bad with names.. foreman? |
| 23:31.37 | Estel_ | and what happened to soviet green card hottie ;) |
| 23:31.38 | kerio | eyup |
| 23:31.40 | Macer | i remember wilson because hes awesome ;) |
| 23:32.05 | kerio | hmm, there's an auction for a n900 ending in two days |
| 23:32.11 | Estel_ | well, i liked sense of humour of staff themselves |
| 23:32.17 | kerio | wasn't there a revision where they made the usb port stronger? |
| 23:32.21 | Estel_ | when hot redhead turned blonde, and asked house about new look... |
| 23:32.27 | Estel_ | he answered that she looks like prostitute now |
| 23:32.32 | Estel_ | which was, in fact, entirely true |
| 23:32.37 | Macer | no |
| 23:32.38 | Macer | haha |
| 23:32.55 | Estel_ | I bet someone from staff got this idea ;) |
| 23:33.08 | Estel_ | kerio, in facty no revisions |
| 23:33.13 | Macer | the soviet russian mail order bride was gorgeous |
| 23:33.15 | Estel_ | some got it normal, i.e. can fell off |
| 23:33.15 | Macer | is gorgeous |
| 23:33.32 | Estel_ | and some got it fucked up i.e. cold solder point i.e. it will definitelly break |
| 23:33.40 | kerio | "yay" |
| 23:33.45 | vi__ | kerio: not really, they all sucked. |
| 23:33.47 | Estel_ | Macer, i don't care, just tell me what happened to her :P |
| 23:33.47 | kerio | goddammit nokia |
| 23:33.50 | Macer | that was a lame ending still tho haha |
| 23:33.58 | Macer | Estel_: er... she is fine i suppose |
| 23:34.02 | Macer | they split up |
| 23:34.12 | Estel_ | no nuclear war starting? :( |
| 23:34.14 | kerio | Macer: did cuddy appear at all? i forgot |
| 23:34.16 | Estel_ | what a shame |
| 23:34.17 | Macer | no :( |
| 23:34.22 | Macer | kerio: no heh |
| 23:34.29 | Macer | she was the only one |
| 23:34.51 | Macer | wonder what happened to that woman.. even his ex wife popped up .. the one from like the first seasons |
| 23:35.00 | kerio | stacy |
| 23:35.04 | Estel_ | BTw, I just bought genuine, perfectly working BH-214 (in ideal condition) for ~10$ including shipping |
| 23:35.08 | kerio | meh, lisa edelstein probably just got bored |
| 23:35.10 | Macer | she was pretty hot for an older woman |
| 23:35.11 | Estel_ | I wonder why people ever buy more expensive ones |
| 23:35.24 | Estel_ | it got everything You expect from bluetooth adapter, heh |
| 23:35.29 | Macer | lisa edelstein isn't that good of an actress to just be "bored" |
| 23:35.30 | Macer | heh |
| 23:35.36 | kerio | Estel_: i have a pair of behind-the-neck earbuds |
| 23:35.40 | Macer | she was in what? west wing for like 4 episodes.. then house for like 5 years? |
| 23:35.44 | kerio | hehe |
| 23:35.58 | Macer | in west wing she was a whore :) |
| 23:36.05 | kerio | anyway, definetely going to sleep right now |
| 23:36.11 | Estel_ | definitelly good night ;) |
| 23:36.12 | kerio | thanks for your advice, guys |
| 23:36.23 | Estel_ | no problem, just doesn't throw Your batgtery into general garbage :p |
| 23:36.27 | Estel_ | battery* |
| 23:36.45 | Estel_ | vi_, you old scum, welcome to club of undeserving bastards :D |
| 23:36.57 | Estel_ | we should found our own piratebay |
| 23:37.03 | Estel_ | sail ho! |
| 23:37.39 | Macer | is vi__ part of the N950 thieving council? |
| 23:37.42 | Macer | hides again |
| 23:37.47 | Estel_ | yes! he is supreme Councilor! |
| 23:37.53 | Estel_ | Palpatine! |
| 23:38.08 | Estel_ | or was he chancellor, in fact |
| 23:38.10 | Estel_ | anyway |
| 23:38.31 | Estel_ | when vi_ rises his hand, lighning sparks come out |
| 23:39.01 | Estel_ | Macer, btw, you're joking, or really believing those BS?;) |
| 23:39.13 | Macer | i'm teasing |
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| 23:39.20 | Estel_ | ~striptease |
| 23:39.30 | Estel_ | damn, infobot doesn't listen to me :( |
| 23:39.37 | Estel_ | s/doesn't/does/ |
| 23:39.39 | Macer | heh |
| 23:39.42 | Estel_ | heh, sometimes, it does |
| 23:39.54 | Macer | only to correct you |
| 23:40.02 | muhomozor | ~striptease |
| 23:40.02 | infobot | Hoogah Hoogah wah wah *takes of the box* *dances around showing of the cpu and memory* Ah yeah you likey my little HD no? |
| 23:40.07 | Macer | i'm just messing with them.... i'd scam free N950s too if i could :) |
| 23:40.09 | Macer | power to them |
| 23:40.19 | Macer | not like those other developers are going to do much with them anyways |
| 23:40.37 | Estel_ | the funniest thing, is that councilors applying folr devicews were discutted at april |
| 23:40.42 | Estel_ | and everyone encouraged them to |
| 23:41.02 | Estel_ | then, it was raised at TMo, and only geneven made some on liner about it, others were "OK" |
| 23:41.16 | Estel_ | then, when some 4 months old "members" diden't receive device, 4 other people started shitstorm on forum |
| 23:41.18 | Estel_ | quite funny |
| 23:41.41 | Macer | heh.. i thought the awards were for development contribution? |
| 23:41.45 | Estel_ | not to mention ZogG, who said that annoucement on mailinglist, TMO, wiki, and IRc is not enough, as not everyone is supposed to know what is hap[pening inside Community, LOL |
| 23:41.50 | Estel_ | Macer, nope. |
| 23:41.51 | Macer | is there some way to quantify it? like... is it lines of code? |
| 23:41.54 | Estel_ | Ca was for community Contributions |
| 23:41.55 | Macer | or like... someting else? |
| 23:42.01 | Estel_ | 75 devices were for coders |
| 23:42.10 | Estel_ | 25 for community contributors, as per general involvement |
| 23:42.20 | Estel_ | aka Community Awards |
| 23:42.31 | Macer | so whoever kissed the most developer ass? :) |
| 23:42.33 | Macer | LOL |
| 23:42.42 | Estel_ | I don't get You. |
| 23:42.50 | Estel_ | what developers does have to do with it? |
| 23:42.58 | Estel_ | forget developers in conjuction with CA |
| 23:43.06 | Estel_ | developers doesn't exist. |
| 23:43.23 | Macer | well... you sai 75 for devs and 25 for... whom exactly |
| 23:43.28 | Macer | what defines contribution? |
| 23:43.29 | Estel_ | well, freemangordon, merlin1991, i |
| 23:43.36 | Macer | i should have gotten one.. i'm in #maemo all day :) |
| 23:43.36 | SpeedEvil | 25 for mortal men, doomed to die. |
| 23:43.36 | Estel_ | iDont and other like that received it |
| 23:43.40 | Estel_ | due to involvement in Community |
| 23:43.45 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, yea :D |
| 23:43.49 | Estel_ | Macer, i';ll drop You a link |
| 23:44.10 | Macer | maybe i can get one based on irc logs for "most blabbering idiot on irc" |
| 23:44.19 | Macer | i wouldn't care... as long as i got an N950 someone can call me an idiot :) |
| 23:44.22 | Estel_ | Macer, see this |
| 23:44.23 | Estel_ | http://maemo.org/community/council/device_program-12-community_awards/ |
| 23:44.29 | Estel_ | everything explained there |
| 23:44.33 | Macer | 12? |
| 23:44.39 | Estel_ | 2012? |
| 23:44.55 | Estel_ | Mace,r it was posted on news, on mailing list, on TMO, on IRc, everywhere. no way You could have missed it :D |
| 23:45.35 | merlin1991 | even in here :D |
| 23:45.46 | Macer | heh... i was out of it after n900 #2 broke ;) |
| 23:46.01 | Macer | how many council members got devices? |
| 23:46.26 | merlin1991 | 4 |
| 23:46.36 | Macer | 4 of... 50? |
| 23:46.43 | merlin1991 | 5 |
| 23:46.58 | Macer | :) i'm guessing #5 already had like 3? |
| 23:47.01 | Macer | hehehe |
| 23:47.04 | luke-jr | are winners announced? |
| 23:47.14 | Macer | luke-jr: you didn't get one.. you're not part of the council! |
| 23:47.23 | luke-jr | Macer: :< |
| 23:47.33 | luke-jr | where's the list? |
| 23:47.35 | Macer | lol... i think they took you off the list because of gentoo! |
| 23:47.40 | Macer | go flame! |
| 23:48.04 | RiD | my little clone has left. It's time for me to abandon this ship |
| 23:48.22 | Estel_ | :P |
| 23:48.28 | RiD | wait what i pressed close |
| 23:48.32 | Estel_ | luke-jr, list was announced on news, on TMO, and on mailing list |
| 23:48.37 | Estel_ | i.e. winners |
| 23:48.44 | luke-jr | hmm, I missed it somehow |
| 23:48.47 | Estel_ | i.e. anywhere, where communtiy Members tend to hang |
| 23:48.50 | Estel_ | already, 4 days ago |
| 23:48.53 | Estel_ | or 5 |
| 23:48.59 | Macer | luke-jr: you might have won |
| 23:49.07 | luke-jr | still don't see it |
| 23:49.10 | Macer | there were 21 devices left after the council got their fill |
| 23:49.33 | Macer | for the mere mortals |
| 23:49.35 | Estel_ | Macer, don't overdo teasing, or someone may took You for serious |
| 23:49.39 | Estel_ | gor example, ZogG |
| 23:49.45 | Macer | all 75 developers got theirs ;) |
| 23:49.54 | Macer | if ever there were that many heh |
| 23:49.55 | Estel_ | he even tried to beg quil for stopping sending devices, lol. funny guy. |
| 23:50.08 | Macer | stop sending devices? :) |
| 23:50.11 | Estel_ | yes |
| 23:50.20 | Macer | wow... sounds like he was rather butt hurt |
| 23:50.43 | Macer | where is the tmo announcement for the winners? |
| 23:50.47 | luke-jr | well, looks like either it wasn't sent to ML or I got unsubscribed somehow…? :/ |
| 23:50.53 | Estel_ | he assumed that 4 morons on TMO is enough to make Nokia stop sending devices to freeman, merlin1991, iDont, robbiethe1st, me, vi_ , ivgalvez, and others |
| 23:51.11 | Estel_ | Macer, first post of flamewar |
| 23:51.18 | Estel_ | then, few people congratulated winners |
| 23:51.23 | Estel_ | and 4 trolls started breakfast |
| 23:51.27 | Macer | haha |
| 23:51.36 | Estel_ | and it got 40 pages in 3 days |
| 23:51.49 | Macer | meh... i am sure the council members put in quite a lot of work on things |
| 23:52.02 | Estel_ | You can't imagine how much, imagine trying to do consensus |
| 23:52.05 | Estel_ | for awarding 25 people |
| 23:52.09 | Estel_ | with 60 applicants |
| 23:52.10 | Estel_ | or so |
| 23:52.18 | Estel_ | 5 people were to agree who should get device, and who not |
| 23:52.21 | Macer | 21 :-P you can't count awarding yourself haha |
| 23:52.27 | Estel_ | research their contributions... |
| 23:52.36 | Estel_ | (many applicants were barely known) |
| 23:52.44 | Macer | i should have applied :) |
| 23:52.46 | Macer | damnit |
| 23:52.55 | Macer | i wouldn't have won but still :) |
| 23:53.04 | Macer | maybe i'd win the "raffle" phone |
| 23:53.05 | Estel_ | thin chances, as you're absent on mailing list, TMO, only here, on IRC :) |
| 23:53.11 | Estel_ | hehe |
| 23:53.17 | Macer | i hate mailing lists and tmo |
| 23:53.22 | luke-jr | Estel_: so the voting was biased against IRC? |
| 23:53.23 | Estel_ | we could award You with Nokia 1100 |
| 23:53.26 | Macer | http ruined the world |
| 23:53.29 | Estel_ | luke-jr, not exactly. |
| 23:53.36 | Macer | luke-jr: LOL |
| 23:53.50 | Estel_ | I was rather thinking about fact, that Macer didn't have a clue what's happening i nthe Community for last half year or so |
| 23:53.54 | Estel_ | which he admint on his own :p |
| 23:54.02 | Macer | tmo is only good to read the actual article... and skipping all the replies :) |
| 23:54.17 | Estel_ | Macer, some good development is going there to, for example, CSSu or ekrnel power |
| 23:54.20 | luke-jr | Estel_: PM |
| 23:54.20 | Estel_ | or saera, lately |
| 23:54.46 | Macer | Estel_: heh... i guess.. i read a few things and it turns into stuff like the 21 device flame war |
| 23:54.58 | Macer | only things worth reading were by robbiethe1st |
| 23:54.59 | Macer | heh |
| 23:55.11 | Estel_ | that one too |
| 23:55.27 | Macer | plus.. irc is real time ;) |
| 23:55.41 | Macer | (usually) |
| 23:56.01 | Macer | a web browser is for me to buy stuff or look for information.... i rarely use it for interacting with people |
| 23:57.24 | luke-jr | wonders if all the original N950 loaners are now owned |
| 23:57.28 | Macer | i wonder if the most interesting man in the world got an N950 |
| 23:57.41 | Macer | laughing it up with monks while talking on his N950 |
| 23:57.50 | Macer | inside jokes with perfect strangers |
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| 23:59.54 | LaoLang_cool | What pkgs do I need? |
