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| 00:12.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Viltzu: afaik it's mandatory |
| 00:13.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: indeed |
| 00:13.23 | Viltzu | DocScrutinizer05: Yeah I tought that too :P |
| 00:13.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the whole point about HAM |
| 00:13.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and MPR |
| 00:25.38 | Viltzu | Now this project thing is just 0.4 version numbers to succeed. |
| 00:25.44 | Viltzu | gcc-4.2 is too old. Need gcc-4.6 :P |
| 00:26.05 | Viltzu | 0.4 version numbers away* |
| 00:26.13 | Viltzu | Okay that sentence is probably all messed up anyway. |
| 00:29.47 | Viltzu | Just waiting for the _laptop guy. |
| 00:30.31 | Viltzu | zeq_laptop |
| 01:03.23 | Viltzu | Where does sbox have gcc binary? O_o |
| 01:03.43 | Viltzu | No matter how I try to delete it it always works when I write "gcc" in terminal... |
| 01:03.58 | Viltzu | I want it vanished. |
| 01:05.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | chmod -x $(which gcc) |
| 01:07.12 | Viltzu | uhm? you mean like chmod -x $(gcc-4.2) or what? |
| 01:07.13 | Viltzu | Oh wait hmm |
| 01:07.48 | Viltzu | Okay not. asd. |
| 01:08.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | no, I meant exavtly ehat I wrote |
| 01:08.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | exactly what* |
| 01:09.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe a-x |
| 01:10.02 | Viltzu | what? |
| 01:10.11 | Viltzu | But well not working. |
| 01:10.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | errr |
| 01:11.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | when you're root and it's not working, then a plain gcc neither does |
| 01:11.28 | Viltzu | in scratchbox I have done apt-get remove gcc gcc-4.2 |
| 01:11.33 | Viltzu | it removed them from /usr/bin |
| 01:11.50 | Viltzu | but when I write "gcc" in terminal it still works and uses 4.2. |
| 01:12.09 | Viltzu | It's taking it from scratchbox/compilers/bin? ;U |
| 01:12.39 | Viltzu | or where. oh gaawd. |
| 01:12.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, after # chmod a-x $(which gcc) it wont anymore |
| 01:13.44 | Viltzu | chmod: too few arguments |
| 01:13.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | unless gcc is a shell alias |
| 01:14.08 | Viltzu | well gcc is a symlink or whatever |
| 01:14.13 | Viltzu | goes to gcc-4.2 |
| 01:14.16 | Viltzu | afaik. |
| 01:14.32 | Viltzu | But yeah chmod says too few arguments |
| 01:14.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | type gcc |
| 01:14.45 | Viltzu | and? |
| 01:14.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | and enter |
| 01:14.58 | Viltzu | and? |
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| 01:15.13 | Viltzu | It runs gcc. (4.2) |
| 01:15.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | type: type gcc<enter> |
| 01:15.54 | KaffeeJunky123 | what's the easiest way to crosscompile qt applications for maemo? |
| 01:15.55 | Viltzu | So you don't know what I should do? :) |
| 01:16.09 | Viltzu | Haven't you asked it already. |
| 01:16.20 | Viltzu | or deja vu or you are a bot. asd. |
| 01:16.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ # type echo |
| 01:16.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | echo is a shell builtin |
| 01:17.07 | Viltzu | ah |
| 01:17.38 | Viltzu | gcc is hashed (/scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc) |
| 01:17.43 | Viltzu | so it is taking it from there.. mm. |
| 01:18.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | which gcc |
| 01:18.28 | Viltzu | mm what? gcc runs version 4.2. |
| 01:18.36 | Viltzu | :u |
| 01:18.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | type: which gcc<enter> |
| 01:19.42 | Viltzu | Oh so you were serious when you told me to write exactly as you said. |
| 01:19.45 | Viltzu | Wait a sec. |
| 01:20.16 | Viltzu | Okay now when I did chmod a-x $(which gcc) |
| 01:20.42 | Viltzu | it says changing permissions of '/scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc': Operation not permitted |
| 01:22.15 | Viltzu | Oh right, as root. Not inside of scratchbox. |
| 01:22.16 | Viltzu | :> |
| 01:22.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | type: sudo chroot a-x (which gcc) |
| 01:22.40 | Viltzu | altough outside of scratchbox it would do it to wrong gcc. |
| 01:22.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | noooo, not outside of SB! |
| 01:22.52 | Viltzu | ye ye I got it already. |
| 01:23.14 | Viltzu | sudo is just yelling "must be setuid root" |
| 01:23.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah, messybox |
| 01:23.48 | Viltzu | what? |
| 01:23.51 | Viltzu | :D |
| 01:24.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | try: su |
| 01:24.26 | Viltzu | Don't have. |
| 01:24.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | try: root |
| 01:24.46 | Viltzu | nope |
| 01:24.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | try: sudo gainroot |
| 01:25.11 | Viltzu | nope (must be setuid root) |
| 01:25.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | dang |
| 01:25.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | try: fakeroot |
| 01:25.33 | Viltzu | yes. |
| 01:25.37 | Viltzu | works. And then? |
| 01:26.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | chmod a-x /scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc |
| 01:26.50 | Viltzu | Okay. which gcc would work too. (returns that path) |
| 01:27.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | might |
| 01:27.09 | Viltzu | gcc works still. |
| 01:27.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | dafaq |
| 01:27.22 | Viltzu | Should I exit this fakeroot thing somehow? |
| 01:27.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | type: id |
| 01:28.11 | Viltzu | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),105,119,122,1000(maemo),1001 |
| 01:28.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | type: exit |
| 01:28.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | type: id |
| 01:29.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | type: rehash |
| 01:29.11 | Viltzu | uid=1000(maemo) gid=1000(maemo) and the rest is same. |
| 01:29.29 | Viltzu | command not found |
| 01:29.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | type: ls -l $(which gcc) |
| 01:29.43 | Viltzu | Can't I just remove/rename compilers/bin/gcc as a root outside of sbox? |
| 01:30.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | sb is a chroot |
| 01:30.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | so: no |
| 01:30.27 | Viltzu | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Oct 28 2010 /scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc -> sb_gcc_wrapper |
| 01:30.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | dang |
| 01:32.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | mv /scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc /scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc_away |
| 01:32.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe need fakeroot again |
| 01:32.53 | Viltzu | I have a feeling that will not work. Should I fak... |
| 01:32.54 | Viltzu | yes. |
| 01:33.25 | Viltzu | permission denied :u |
| 01:33.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | o.O |
| 01:35.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, anyway you probably should edit sb_gcc_wrapper in the end |
| 01:35.30 | Viltzu | ok.... so what I should do? :> |
| 01:35.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | to point to your new gcc4-6 |
| 01:36.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | or just wait til somebody with a clue takes over |
| 01:36.41 | Viltzu | uhm. I'm waiting. |
| 01:36.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm actually lost in this sbox djungle |
| 01:37.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'd have tought when you do fakeroot; apt-get remove gcc |
| 01:37.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | in sbox |
| 01:37.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | it should kill your gcc |
| 01:38.08 | Viltzu | it will remove just /usr/bin/gcc but thats useless :P |
| 01:38.33 | Viltzu | though I haven't done it as fakeroot |
| 01:38.35 | Viltzu | would that change anything+ |
| 01:38.39 | Viltzu | ?* |
| 01:38.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure |
| 01:38.54 | Viltzu | Nope. |
| 01:42.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | I dunno which gcc is used in sbox, some ARM gcc, or some x86 sbox specific gcc, or even your PC's gcc |
| 01:42.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | you should check in sb_gcc_wrapper what that does |
| 01:43.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | or wait until somebody kicks in here who has a clue already |
| 01:43.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | aiui freemangordon should already have done all this |
| 01:44.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | he will be back on Sunday iirc |
| 01:46.45 | Viltzu | k.. ;u |
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| 02:19.44 | Viltzu | Okay no need to get rid of that thing anymore. |
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| 03:55.47 | Macer | in 2020 when apple was on the brink of bankruptcy |
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| 04:33.53 | Hurrian | ...it seems that the CA results thread on TMO got pretty ugly |
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| 08:43.12 | MohammadAG | morning, the situation on tmo is bad |
| 08:49.21 | Neutron__ | what do you mean by bad? |
| 08:50.47 | NIN101 | the CA |
| 08:51.51 | Hurrian | it's awful, really. |
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| 09:00.28 | Hurrian | side note, I have noticed that abill_uk is back, and stirring up noise (not the good kind) on TMO once again |
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| 09:37.55 | jonwil | Finally found a repair place that can fix my N900 :) |
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| 09:48.51 | jonwil | Going to take a couple weeks for the parts to arrive though |
| 09:49.02 | jonwil | I will keep using my phone in the mean time |
| 09:49.13 | jonwil | and just be careful of the broken front bezel |
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| 11:19.07 | merlin1991 | gotta love http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1226087&postcount=283 |
| 11:22.18 | Sicelo | Lol. |
| 11:24.02 | NIN101 | let's see how this mess develops. |
| 11:26.14 | vi__ | It is not pretty. Things are getting personal now. |
| 11:26.33 | merlin1991 | and I still don't see why people are so worked up |
| 11:26.48 | vi__ | merlin1991: because they did not win. |
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| 11:27.09 | merlin1991 | Ie the council members shouldn't get *free* stuff was discussed on the mailing list long before the submission period started |
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| 11:27.34 | vi__ | merlin1991: what was the conclusion to the discussion? |
| 11:27.44 | merlin1991 | it's fine |
| 11:28.03 | merlin1991 | int other words not what the people in the thread claim |
| 11:30.42 | Viltzu | hurr |
| 11:30.55 | merlin1991 | see http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-May/005259.html and the follow ups |
| 11:31.14 | Viltzu | When I'm doing make it will search headers and why not from /opt/maemo/usr/include when it should be getting them fron /usr/include |
| 11:31.17 | Viltzu | What to do? |
| 11:32.16 | merlin1991 | Viltzu: did you move the hearders there by hand? |
| 11:32.23 | merlin1991 | or did they get installed there? |
| 11:32.44 | Viltzu | They were installed there |
| 11:32.50 | Viltzu | I'm using tanners gcc-4.4 |
| 11:32.52 | NIN101 | of course the people who got one won't complain. I didn't even apply (so it should be kinda neutral), but my main point of criticism are the intransparent decisions. For some, it's obvious why they deserve one, but for others, it's not. One sentence in the wiki about the why's is apparently to much to ask for, and no, I am not going to read tons of messed up threads on TMO where a dicsussion took place. I also doubt the CA will help in saving |
| 11:32.52 | NIN101 | maemo, at least fremantle. |
| 11:32.54 | merlin1991 | also "make" does not search for headers |
| 11:33.00 | vi__ | could you make aegis look at a copy of the file system somewhere else all the while editing the real /etc/? |
| 11:34.07 | vi__ | NIN101: what do you think will be the result of listing why a persons achievments are not good enough? |
| 11:34.09 | Viltzu | merlin1991: well yeah. But what I should now do? Should I just cp to the right place. I tried to create symlink for the dir to the right place but then it says Too many symbolic links :P |
| 11:34.34 | merlin1991 | which header exactly are you missing? |
| 11:34.55 | Viltzu | http://viltzu.kapsi.fi/output.out |
| 11:35.23 | Viltzu | And those can be found from /usr/include/c++/4.4/ and so on. |
| 11:36.27 | merlin1991 | Viltzu: build the make file with the verbosity flag from cmake, so that you see the actual call to gcc |
| 11:36.50 | NIN101 | vi_: some kind of transparency. |
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| 11:40.42 | Viltzu | merlin1991, set(CMAKE_VERBOSE_MAKEFILE on) in CMakeLists.txt? |
| 11:43.15 | Viltzu | http://viltzu.kapsi.fi/output |
| 11:44.31 | Viltzu | örh. |
| 11:44.34 | merlin1991 | I'd check what /home/maemo/cbE/src/precomp.h really includes on line 7 |
| 11:44.44 | merlin1991 | because the gcc call contains no hint to opt |
| 11:45.02 | merlin1991 | unless the gcc itself has fubar opt searchpaths it has to be in the sources |
| 11:45.50 | Viltzu | #include <map> on line 7. |
| 11:47.52 | merlin1991 | Viltzu: hm, CFLAGS / CPPFLAGS ? |
| 11:48.21 | Viltzu | wa? |
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| 11:48.49 | merlin1991 | the environment variables CFLAGS / CPPFLAGS are read by gcc aswell |
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| 11:49.45 | Viltzu | Uhm. That doesn't say really anything to me :) |
| 11:50.00 | merlin1991 | do echo $CFLAGS |
| 11:50.06 | merlin1991 | and echo $CPPFLAGS |
| 11:50.12 | merlin1991 | and see if they contain anything odd |
| 11:50.36 | Viltzu | is that odd that they are empty? |
| 11:50.46 | merlin1991 | no that is normal :) |
| 11:50.49 | Viltzu | ok. |
| 11:50.53 | merlin1991 | hm then it has to be your gcc :/ |
| 11:51.16 | Viltzu | I'm using tanners gcc 4.4. Added the repo and installed via apt-get. |
| 11:51.40 | merlin1991 | I've never used it, so I don't have any hands on experience |
| 11:51.42 | merlin1991 | also lunch |
| 11:51.49 | Viltzu | k. |
| 11:51.58 | vi__ | NIN101: so if it was published "nitroid has had 0 positive effect on maemo community therefore coder does not win". Do you think there would be no arguments? |
| 11:54.19 | NIN101 | there would be. But at least we would know the WHYs. WHY someone got one, and why another didn't. |
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| 12:06.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | who cares? |
| 12:07.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | look - *if* I had applied I would know for sure about the true reasons why I wouldn't have received one |
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| 12:10.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | so for the "why not" it's usually very obvious. For the "why anybody at all received this 'Award' ?" I already elaborated yesterday with woody that I fail to see the point of this whole action/mess, and in my opinion council better had kept the whole pool for handing out spare devices on a by-demand basis |
| 12:11.13 | NIN101 | my main point is: without reasons I can think this is a farce. Why should I believe the opposite? |
| 12:11.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | it is, you don't need to think opposite |
| 12:11.55 | vi__ | NIN101: Without discussing individual cases we are 'beating around the bush' |
| 12:12.01 | jacekowski | if it were up to me, there would be no CA and no problems |
| 12:12.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 12:12.18 | jacekowski | maemo is pretty much a dead platform |
| 12:12.19 | jacekowski | who cares |
| 12:12.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | meego is |
| 12:12.51 | vi__ | So is amiga OS, what is your point? |
| 12:14.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101: on no DDP ever the reasons been discussed in public - we all agreed this would be useless public bashing for all those who failed |
| 12:15.07 | NIN101 | well. |
| 12:16.51 | kwtm | I've had 2 cases now where I did not get a chance to recharge the N900 before it shut down due to low battery, and now the battery appears useless (tried recharging it via another N900 and from external Nokia charger, with no response). Is this a known phenomenon or should I expect to be able to have usable batteries after N900 shuts down from battery low? |
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| 12:17.15 | jacekowski | kwtm: plug it in into usb charger |
| 12:17.18 | jacekowski | kwtm: and wait few hours |
| 12:17.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | and honestly, you'll *always* find "better" rationale and winners in a public aftermath than those who did the hard job of selecting came up with. and it helps exactly nothing but adds tention and noise to community |
| 12:18.18 | kwtm | jacekowski: Hmm... I had plugged it into charge for a while, and the charger light even changed to blue from pink, so I thought it was fully charged. Wonder if it's the N900 itself. Maybe I can try a "universal" charger instead of Nokia's. |
| 12:18.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | err WUT |
| 12:19.12 | vi__ | blue->pink??? |
| 12:19.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah ????? |
| 12:19.21 | kwtm | no pink -> blue |
| 12:19.31 | vi__ | wtf even more. |
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| 12:19.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's neither blue nor pink involved in charging indication |
| 12:20.08 | kwtm | Ah. When you say USB charger you mean the N900 itself? I was talking about an external charger. |
| 12:20.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | the supposed colors are amber (red + green) and green (just green) |
| 12:21.32 | kwtm | I'm going to see if I can dig up an alternate battery for my N900, just to prove to myself it's the battery, and then I'll fiddle with the battery. |
| 12:22.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you get blue and pink, it seems you got a pre-summit device with messed up indicator LED hardwiring |
| 12:22.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | that got flashed with standard software |
| 12:24.03 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: that doesnt exist. |
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| 12:24.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can look up the actual swap of colors in lp5523.c for yourself |
| 12:24.40 | vi__ | Possibly a second hand device with a modified MCE.ini |
| 12:24.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq |
| 12:25.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't modify mce.ini in a way that even NOLO would change to pink |
| 12:25.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | not to mention hardwired amber of emergency charging |
| 12:26.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, resetting mce.ini to defaults is a sane suggestion :-) |
| 12:27.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | we've seen devices with smoked-up green in 3-color LED |
| 12:27.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | which gave some strange notification colors |
| 12:27.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course |
| 12:28.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway |
| 12:28.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | kwtm: you shouldn't deplete battery til emergency shutdown |
| 12:28.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | you shouldn't try to reboot device with depleted battery. |
| 12:29.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, eventually battery will just cease to work in very much the way you descriobed |
| 12:30.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, any "universal charger" usually will way more likely kill your battery than treat it nice |
| 12:32.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | kwtm: I dunno what acme-bat-apps and supadupa-kernels incl borked modules you got installed on your N900. I suggest: a) get fresh and charged BL-5J, *FLASH* your N900 to stock kernel and no too 1337 apps, try using it in a normal way, see if that pans out |
| 12:35.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | b) try charging the supposedly broken battery in external charger and see what operational time it gives you in N900 till shutdown. Use bq27200-detail.sh script to produce a nice log of battery current and voltage, come back here and offer that log for analysis |
| 12:39.34 | zeq_laptop | Hi guys! |
| 12:39.58 | vi__ | hello. |
| 12:40.05 | vi__ | good morning squire. |
| 12:40.22 | zeq_laptop | Hello vi__ |
| 12:40.28 | zeq_laptop | afternoon here :) |
| 12:42.18 | vi__ | ~UGT |
| 12:42.18 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 12:42.49 | zeq_laptop | thanks infobot |
| 12:42.57 | zeq_laptop | didn't know that |
| 12:43.15 | zeq_laptop | mornig vi__ :) |
| 12:43.22 | vi__ | :) |
| 12:43.29 | zeq_laptop | s/mornig/morning/ |
| 12:43.44 | zeq_laptop | typing like it's the morning! |
| 12:43.46 | zeq_laptop | ;) |
| 12:46.11 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: in case you missed it, his led colours were not from the n900 but from an external charger :D |
| 12:46.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah |
| 12:46.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn, was searching WTF this pre-summit-color-swap #ifdef been ;-P |
| 12:47.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | extremely funny detail you can learn from proofreading driver sources |
| 12:48.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm afraid they refctored it out in later upstreamed versions |
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| 12:50.01 | Raimu | Mmm... pink n900... |
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| 12:53.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/kernel-source-diablo-2.6.21/kernel-source/drivers/i2c/chips/lp5521.c#31 |
| 12:54.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe was on N810 |
| 12:55.23 | vi__ | merlin1991: wait..what? |
| 12:55.33 | vi__ | such a minor piece of information. |
| 12:55.51 | vi__ | We have failed as engineers. |
| 12:56.02 | vi__ | We assumed he was talking about the n900 LED. |
| 12:56.35 | vi__ | You know what they say; when you assume, you make a total cock of yourself. |
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| 12:58.52 | DocScrutinizer06 | dman reconnects |
| 12:58.54 | DocScrutinizer06 | spaming questions relating to a clearly defined hw topic with random shit drawn from unrelated other hw isn't exactly helping |
| 13:02.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, vi_ you might enjoy this mxr line ref I posted above |
| 13:02.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | 31 #ifdef LED_CONNECTED_WRONG 32 #define LP5521_REG_R_PWM 0x04 33 #define LP5521_REG_B_PWM 0x02 34 #else 35 #define LP5521_REG_R_PWM 0x02 36 #define LP5521_REG_B_PWM 0x04 37 #endif |
| 13:02.47 | vi__ | #ifdef LED_CONNECTED_WRONG |
| 13:03.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously for some prototypes they swapped red and blue LED |
| 13:05.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I *seem* to recall somebody inside NOK told me this been for the pre-summit N900, where maybe they still used lp5521.ko to drive the indicator LED |
| 13:09.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: your "that doesn't exist" based on hard facts? |
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| 13:10.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: you know pre-summit device owners always been supposed to NOT flash standard software, and rather wait for the special build that Nokia may or may not provoide for their very special devices |
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| 13:19.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders how such bord specific defines belong into $chipdriver.c |
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| 13:20.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean it's not like as the chip had written "RED" to pin4 and "BLUE" to pin5. This may change massively for any other board using LP5523 |
| 13:21.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | clear case of vendor specific driver sources that aren't exactly fit for upstreaming |
| 13:22.21 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: I was partially joking. |
| 13:22.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | not that the LP5523 driver was any good for upstreaming anyway, regarding the very partial implementation of chip properties |
| 13:23.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | LP5523 can do iirc 96 program steps, "partitioned" in arbitrary ways between the 3 engines. lp5523.c allows a mere 16 steps per engine, wasting the other 48 steps |
| 13:24.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | (actually wasting only 47, as they use one step for default LED mapping/muxing) |
| 13:25.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty retarded design for a generic upstream linux LP5523 driver |
| 13:27.19 | MohammadAG | #ifdef LED_CONNECTED_WRONG <-- lololol |
| 13:27.34 | MohammadAG | anyway, who wants to fix tmo's community awards thread |
| 13:27.39 | MohammadAG | it's going downhill, fast |
| 13:27.46 | MohammadAG | I expect the next meetup to be a riot |
| 13:28.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | glances at the dusty yellow end of his ToDo list and spots "fix lp5523.c to allow full use of all chip features, esp. the doubled program step storage space" |
| 13:28.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: ping chem|st |
| 13:28.54 | Hurrian | MohammadAG, how do you calm down angry TMOers who want their phones? |
| 13:28.55 | zeq_laptop | finally managed to build gcc-linaro-4.7-2012.06 ARM cross-compiler for scratchbox. (only x86_64 atm, might need an actual x86 distro to build 32bit; canadian-cross doesn't seem to be working...) |
| 13:29.01 | MohammadAG | this isn't a mod thing DocScrutinizer05 |
| 13:29.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 13:29.10 | MohammadAG | it needs to be handled well by the council |
| 13:29.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what you gonna do now, boy? |
| 13:29.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 13:29.59 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, tbh I see why they're angry |
| 13:30.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm way more concerned about http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1226178&postcount=298 |
| 13:30.55 | MohammadAG | I'm more concerned about the theme he's using |
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| 13:31.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, same here, with my theme |
| 13:31.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suspect a fsckup in mysql |
| 13:31.26 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, you don't fix this, you cancel results and change judges |
| 13:31.39 | MohammadAG | I suspect a fuck up in viewthread.php |
| 13:31.50 | MohammadAG | or the fact he's french |
| 13:31.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
| 13:32.00 | MohammadAG | I kid, I kid |
| 13:32.13 | Hurrian | MohammadAG, probably changed email and didnt confirm |
| 13:32.25 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: so speak up, it's apitty a lot of people do not speak up |
| 13:32.34 | MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, it's no use |
| 13:32.46 | vi__ | ZogG_laptop: It is no use. You will get flamed in half. |
| 13:32.50 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: why not? |
| 13:32.52 | MohammadAG | exactly that |
| 13:33.08 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: i tried to be general and ask straight question |
| 13:33.41 | vi__ | ZogG_laptop: which was? |
| 13:33.45 | MohammadAG | regardless this won't be fixed |
| 13:33.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/post_thanks.php?do=post_thanks_add&p=1226165&securitytoken=1340453078-7065ec7e993a2f6813761f1f7b1d8c8415 works when I post it. same with s/p=1226165/p=1226193/ doesn't |
| 13:33.57 | vi__ | gingerly approaches the can of worms. |
| 13:33.58 | ZogG_laptop | but i was ignored and council and defenders instead of answering just picked up those who was less reasonable and used it to put all of us in same boat to call all of us trolls =) |
| 13:34.04 | MohammadAG | I'm thinking of submitting something to the Qt 5 awards |
| 13:34.08 | MohammadAG | or the app awards |
| 13:34.25 | MohammadAG | and if I win, give the N9 I won there to someone |
| 13:34.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm thinking of declaring maemo.org community officially entered lunatic state at 2012-06-20 |
| 13:35.01 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: how it is possible that the same competition can be judged by peple in list |
| 13:35.12 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: it's not about if they worth or not |
| 13:35.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe even a few weeks before |
| 13:35.27 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, the entire community awards thing has been hectic for maemo.org |
| 13:35.31 | ZogG_laptop | but most answeres were personal and about how worth they are... but it's not related |
| 13:35.45 | jaska | make troll.maemo.org a cname for talk.maemo.org? |
| 13:36.37 | MohammadAG | it's not right |
| 13:36.40 | MohammadAG | I agree about that |
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| 13:36.49 | ZogG_laptop | jaska: it's easy to call troll anyone who has his own point of view and try to prove it? than other person is not less troll than first as there are always two sides of coins |
| 13:36.50 | MohammadAG | whether they deserve it or not, you can't have judges in a competition |
| 13:37.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I stated my "official" POV regarding the whole CA several times, won't repeat |
| 13:37.32 | jaska | zogg: i wasnt referring to any specific conversation. just think that the name would fit. |
| 13:37.39 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: than speak up, they just say it's only 4 people and they ignore reasonable things and answer for those who just really not releated |
| 13:37.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | council need and always had all hardware for reference purposes |
| 13:38.07 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: what reference? |
| 13:38.18 | vi__ | Easy. The council win automatically as they have been selected as the community champions. The rest of the loot goes to whomever they decide should win. |
| 13:38.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | mixing this up with a CA is a terrible idea, but no worries as the whole CA been a rather toxic idea in itself |
| 13:38.49 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: how is it possible, i didn't choose them as a lot of people who don't want to be in politics |
| 13:40.12 | ZogG_laptop | as well as i think there are more worthy and reasonable people to be council(not all curent memebers but few)but they understand those resposobilities and don't want to take them, as others who want don't understand them |
| 13:40.28 | vi__ | ZogG_laptop: no, however they were elected fairly. |
| 13:41.05 | ZogG_laptop | look at MohammadAG he even don't want to speak up, as he doesn't want to ennter politics here, as a lot of reasonable people don't too. but i just feel if i don't speak up no one will, than it would pass like it was okay |
| 13:41.39 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: so? how is it related? than lets make community award judged by memebers |
| 13:41.55 | ZogG_laptop | those two things that they were elected as council do not related |
| 13:42.01 | ZogG_laptop | and if, those people to judge |
| 13:42.21 | ZogG_laptop | i would never say if i'm elected i worth to win in community. |
| 13:42.37 | MohammadAG | vi_, it was tough choice, 5 got elected and 5 got chosen |
| 13:42.37 | ZogG_laptop | it's like your work manager would give price to himself |
| 13:43.15 | ZogG_laptop | what? he is mamanger already means he works harder than others and is promoted so all money prices would go to him automaticaly? |
| 13:43.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: hm? |
| 13:43.53 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, we barely got a council this year iirc |
| 13:44.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly think we need a way to vote "void" |
| 13:44.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | if amount of void votes > amount of votes for a candidate, the candidate won't get elected |
| 13:45.14 | MohammadAG | then typedef Sam void; typedef Jill void, typedef John void and we have a new council |
| 13:45.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that results in _no_ council at all, after elections, so be it |
| 13:45.33 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: for example few people think you don't deserve, but i don't really care, as this is their choice and always someone will think it's not right, so i'm neutral here whenever i think you have right or not. But self judging is something different |
| 13:46.05 | MohammadAG | tbh, itsnotabigtruck should get one |
| 13:46.16 | MohammadAG | inception, although hated by some, was useful |
| 13:46.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 13:46.24 | MohammadAG | plus he's helpful on IRC |
| 13:46.27 | FIQ|n900 | hm... a council with 1 attending |
| 13:46.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 13:46.36 | MohammadAG | I usually don't vote people up, but since he's not here :P |
| 13:46.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, this cheese is eaten |
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| 13:47.14 | MohammadAG | e-yes might have helped with NITDroid, but I'm not sure if that merits a device |
| 13:47.24 | MohammadAG | nothing personal, it's just not the _maemo_ community |
| 13:47.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 13:47.47 | MohammadAG | and without referencing names, closed source people shouldn't get a device |
| 13:47.51 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: today when everything falling down we need few people to lead community, but here i mean dids and not talking and showing how important them. it's mostly come from people that don't show themselve too much and not seen too much. I think a good example is X-Fade. i don't see him active lately in communication, but i know he makes a lot contribution with repos and cobs and other stuff |
| 13:47.54 | MohammadAG | it's COMMUNITY!! awards |
| 13:48.19 | vi__ | ZogG_laptop: what a load of shit. |
| 13:48.30 | vi__ | The employees do not CHOOSE the manager. |
| 13:48.42 | MohammadAG | they get fired if they don't? :P |
| 13:48.52 | vi__ | Nokia, yeah. |
| 13:49.06 | vi__ | NOKIA decided who would choose the winners. |
| 13:49.20 | vi__ | The people who provided the prizes. |
| 13:49.29 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: sometimes people change after they got promoted btw and in normal company the promoting people gather data about person from co-wokers |
| 13:49.46 | vi__ | ZogG_laptop: the analogy is invalid. Drop it. |
| 13:50.12 | MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, there's nothing you could do now |
| 13:50.32 | MohammadAG | if anything would make you feel better, submit an app to the app awards and give your N9 to someone else |
| 13:50.32 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: it's make me angry and amusing, that you think i'm less stuborn than you, as i think it is the same example |
| 13:50.44 | MohammadAG | I'm actually thinking of doing that for itsnotabigtruck |
| 13:51.03 | MohammadAG | nothing personal, his shit helped me, his shit can't be submitted to those awards |
| 13:51.06 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: actually i thought of it, as i should recieve N9 soon on other award |
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| 13:51.20 | MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, you won in community awards? |
| 13:51.29 | MohammadAG | I never memorized the list tbh |
| 13:52.02 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: nope |
| 13:52.08 | MohammadAG | the only problem is I can't submit for an N950 in the Qt awards |
| 13:52.09 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: i don't worth it |
| 13:52.21 | MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, then keep the device if you win it |
| 13:52.30 | MohammadAG | I'd give it away cause I have one |
| 13:52.40 | MohammadAG | and itsnotabigtruck has an N9 |
| 13:52.45 | MohammadAG | no use in giving him anothero ne |
| 13:52.49 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: i read Estel submition, i'm in the same position as ± Estel position, when there are those who worth way more |
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| 13:53.19 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: you can take n9 and send n950 as well |
| 13:53.28 | MohammadAG | again, I don't like saying X doesn't deserve something |
| 13:53.35 | ZogG_laptop | but the problem you want it as dev kit and not phone |
| 13:53.58 | MohammadAG | barely use it as a phone tbh |
| 13:54.01 | MohammadAG | have an iPhone for that |
| 13:54.10 | MohammadAG | or a Lumia, which I barely use |
| 13:54.33 | MohammadAG | I wonder if anyone needs an N900 |
| 13:54.37 | MohammadAG | considering sending one away |
| 13:55.34 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: i know i don't. i think i helped a bit and tried to be always helpful and straight, but it's should come from any community memeber. Just their knowledge is different and they can't always code. But there are people like you or pali or itsnotthatbigtruck, who just deserve it, and they do not only a lot but opens source and for free. that's who deserve |
| 13:55.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's incredible how such a silly giveaway is poisoning maemo.org community. In my book all the free stuff in apps and knowledge is 10000 times more precious and appreciable than those 2 dozen devices that everybody gets worked up about now. a sad perspective on state of this community in those tough days |
| 13:55.43 | ZogG_laptop | they don't search for glorry or something |
| 13:55.59 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: i want n900 |
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| 13:56.04 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: mine got broken |
| 13:56.18 | ZogG_laptop | but on other hand if you leave maemo.... o_O |
| 13:56.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: send it to robbiethe1st please! |
| 13:56.28 | MohammadAG | I have two N900s |
| 13:56.43 | ZogG_laptop | is scared with less people like MohammadAG left in community =( |
| 13:56.50 | MohammadAG | one's mine and one's a DDP |
| 13:57.01 | MohammadAG | the DDP one is in near new condition |
| 13:57.15 | MohammadAG | well, technically it's just opened from the box and used for three months |
| 13:57.23 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: than if you don't send to robbiethe1st, i'll be more than glad as mine is broken |
| 13:57.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are a few really valuable developers that recently got hurt by their N900 breaking |
| 13:57.41 | ZogG_laptop | i would have a chance to finish the very first app i started and didn't finish |
| 13:57.41 | MohammadAG | but never left my desk, I don't take it out or anything since I don't _own_ it |
| 13:58.39 | FIQ|n900 | speaking of new N900s, I should go and get one from second-hand soon as mine is starting to fall apart |
| 13:58.51 | vi__ | ZogG_laptop: If you cannot for a second consider the notion that you are wrong, then it is pointless to discuss anything. |
| 13:59.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: good plan :-D |
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| 13:59.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm doing that since several months now |
| 13:59.28 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: but again you think i'm wrong and i think i'm right. why do you think you are the right one here =) |
| 13:59.49 | vi__ | ZogG_laptop: That is not what I said bro slice. |
| 13:59.56 | kwtm | Can anyone point me to how to send a text message (SMS) by command-line? Presumably it starts with "dbus-send -bla bla bla MyTextMessage" or something ... |
| 14:00.06 | vi__ | kwtm: N900? |
| 14:00.18 | kwtm | vi__: Sorry, yes, talking about the N900 here. |
| 14:00.20 | FIQ|n900 | there's a dedicated application for this |
| 14:00.25 | kwtm | Not the external battery charger. |
| 14:00.32 | vi__ | kwtm: there is a program (python script) called sms-send. |
| 14:00.32 | FIQ|n900 | whatever it was named |
| 14:00.36 | vi__ | It is in the repos. |
| 14:00.40 | FIQ|n900 | ohh, that |
| 14:01.22 | kwtm | Ok. I will check it out. But I actually want to put the command into my shell script (actually my vimscript calls it but that's a minor detail). |
| 14:01.39 | kwtm | I suppose I can look over the python script to figure out how they did it. Thanks for the pointers. |
| 14:01.57 | vi__ | kwtm you can invoke sms-send through bash. |
| 14:02.12 | FIQ|n900 | isn't that kinda the point with sms-send? :P |
| 14:02.15 | vi__ | i.e. sms-send <telephone number> <your message here> |
| 14:03.02 | vi__ | ^/bash/sh |
| 14:03.17 | kwtm | I see. Ok, will look into that. I am trying to get my repositories set up, actually, via command line so I will do that first ... |
| 14:06.59 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: that is exactly what. as you say If you cannot for a second consider the .... |
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| 14:07.33 | ZogG_laptop | i do considered both sides and took mine |
| 14:09.15 | vi__ | ZogG_laptop: how corrupt of you. |
| 14:09.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | kwtm: ~phone-control |
| 14:09.38 | FIQ|n900 | see flames |
| 14:09.58 | FIQ|n900 | s/see/sees/ |
| 14:10.11 | vi__ | To chose your argument over anothers. For true transparency you should have automatically discounted your own argument. |
| 14:12.07 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer05: Thanks; I found that page on http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_SMS . Do I understand correctly that the entire Python program is there and I don't need to install anything else? Because I'm in the middle of configuring my new N900 I can't install packages like sms-send without messing with /etc/sources.list.d right now. |
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| 14:12.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_SMS |
| 14:12.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes :-D |
| 14:13.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | the 3rd one seems most complete and nice one |
| 14:16.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>There's also a python script that uses D-Bus instead from http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=558430&postcount=57:<< <- this one |
| 14:16.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least I already used this one and tweaked it for SMSCB rcv, tested to work |
| 14:17.12 | kwtm | god I LOOOOVE this N900! |
| 14:17.28 | kwtm | Disclaimer: it's still a piece of crap. But it's the BEST piece of crap there is in the world! :) :) |
| 14:17.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 14:17.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | kwtm: wazzup buddy? |
| 14:18.14 | kwtm | Looking over the phone control thing, I can't even begin to wrap my mind around the things I haven't had a chance to make my phone do. |
| 14:18.31 | kwtm | Holy cow, remote control my phone by SMS!? (And not that "make it play some music" crap from the Android app store.) |
| 14:18.41 | vi__ | kwtm you wait till you discover dbus-scripts and dbus cron. You are going to shit yourself. |
| 14:18.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's an app for that |
| 14:18.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-d |
| 14:19.43 | kwtm | Yeah, I'm going to have to look into that cron thing ... I'm going to have to use anacron because my phone keeps shutting off by accident (delays in locking screen due to swapping, before I slip it in my pocket and have something bump the "turn off phone" onscreen button) |
| 14:19.45 | vi__ | kwtm: You are now starting to understand why for maemo 'appz' are mostly redundant. |
| 14:20.09 | vi__ | kwtm: dbuscron is...different. |
| 14:20.14 | kwtm | Yeah. I spent a lot of time on this last year when I got my phone, and finally managed to dump the built-in contacts app and just make phone calls from within Vim. |
| 14:20.36 | kwtm | Then I couldn't spend more time on it and the programming got left by the wayside. |
| 14:20.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | and anacron is... :-/. Use alarmed for those purposes |
| 14:20.41 | vi__ | kwtm: you can monitor dbus-system/session for program/hardware events and trigger scripts. |
| 14:21.04 | kwtm | Now my wife has an iPhone where Siri can read out her text messages. And I'm thinking, "big deal. I have espeak for that." |
| 14:21.25 | kwtm | Can't wait to start using vimscript text processing to send sms. :) |
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| 14:21.41 | vi__ | kwtm: You want to have the time in russia spoken to you in chinese through espeak whenever you cover the proximity sensor WHILE the keyboard is open AND it is past 3AM? You can use dbus-scripts/dbuscron. |
| 14:22.18 | kwtm | vi__: I'll start with just reminding me there's a SMS waiting. There's an app for that, so I need to get my act together and set up the repositories on this thing. |
| 14:22.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | dbus cron - a really poor naming for this dbus-scripting epigone |
| 14:22.56 | vi__ | kwtm: you are thinking of sms-notify. |
| 14:23.23 | kwtm | vi__: Yeah ... I don't suppose that's a simple Python program I can cut and paste, is it? (I guess it needs to access cron or something ... is that built-in?) |
| 14:23.30 | vi__ | kwtm: just bear in mind, when you start loading the N900 up with all this 'stuff' you will chip away at the battery life. |
| 14:23.50 | vi__ | kwtm: sms-notify is a pythin script. |
| 14:24.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | kwtm: there is no cron on maemo, that's called alarmd |
| 14:24.05 | kwtm | Yeah, don't rub it in about the battery life. I can't believe I have 4 batteries and 2 of them may possibly be completely useless. And I can't find the 3rd. I have to get stuff from my old N900 transferred to the new. |
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| 14:24.27 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer05: Right, I remember reading about alarmd. Same syntax as cron or something else I should read up on? |
| 14:24.36 | LaoLang_cool | What packages do I need to compile the simple C program on n900? |
| 14:24.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | kwtm: there's an app called alarmed that interfaces to libalarmd and gives you cron-alike cmdline API |
| 14:24.59 | kwtm | vi__: I meant whether I can paste in the script for sms-notify, or do I need to install the package. |
| 14:25.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | kwtm: ... plus a nice GUI API on top, as alternative way to handle stuff |
| 14:25.38 | kwtm | The other thing I want to do, if possible, is to have the status icons (e.g. battery charging, on 3g network, etc.) show an icon for when Fn or Shift is pressed. Why wasn't that already built in? :P |
| 14:26.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | kwtm: that's why I deprecated anacron and suggested you look into alarmed app |
| 14:26.30 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer05: Thx for the tips. |
| 14:26.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 14:28.47 | vi__ | kwtm: for maximum battery life: |
| 14:29.01 | vi__ | 1. purchase a 1500mAH battery. |
| 14:29.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 14:29.15 | vi__ | 2. Install a kernel with smart reflex supported. |
| 14:29.17 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: it's easy for me as my argument was the first one =) as i pointed out the fact of 4/5 got phone |
| 14:29.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | or a good *real* 1320mA genuine BL-5J Nokia battery |
| 14:29.51 | kwtm | vi__: It would have been ok if N900 shut down before the battery got to 0%. I *had* 4 batteries to swap between, and an external charger. |
| 14:30.05 | kwtm | I do have a real 1320mA battery with the hologram on it. I hope it can be rescued ... |
| 14:30.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: numbers please! I have no smartrelflex and get pretty decent standby times |
| 14:30.58 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: We shall have to disagree on this. We will not agree. I am a *HEAVY* N900 user. I know what works for me. |
| 14:31.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | odds are with any special kernel you import other battery hogs without even noticing |
| 14:31.20 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: Powertop is a great tool. |
| 14:31.32 | Raimu | I have a genuine Nokia battery that came with the phone, but it only gives something like 1050mA. |
| 14:31.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | still no hard numbers on smart reflex |
| 14:31.55 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: do you 'believe' in undervolting? |
| 14:32.00 | Raimu | Haven't ever gotten good standby times on any configuration, though. |
| 14:32.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh no I don't |
| 14:32.29 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: You are an electronic engineer. |
| 14:32.44 | vi__ | P=CFV^2 |
| 14:33.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and thus I know exactly that undervolting will make a difference only for the times when CPU is *active* |
| 14:33.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | for a decent standby time you want to minimize those time periods |
| 14:33.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | both in duration and frequency |
| 14:34.11 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: definatley, however the CPU MUST awaken from time to time. |
| 14:34.33 | vi__ | So for maximum battery life I must leave my n900 switched off? |
| 14:34.36 | Raimu | DocScrutinizer05: I've been wondering -- what sort of a thing can you remove from a stock configuration of a n900 with nothing l33t installed to lessen the amount of CPU wakes? |
| 14:35.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the times when cpu is NOT in C5, you still save maximum maybe 10% of CPU(!) power consumption, while a lot of the total device power consumption is for things not related to CPU at all |
| 14:35.14 | Raimu | I get the part where one doesn't install suspicious widgets or script. |
| 14:35.17 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: we are arguing for different cases here. |
| 14:35.19 | Raimu | *scripts |
| 14:35.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Raimu: some nonsensical desktop widgets maybe |
| 14:35.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | skype !! |
| 14:35.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | any other IM app |
| 14:36.28 | Raimu | Yeah, Skype is a complete hog when it's on. |
| 14:37.04 | vi__ | Raimu: If you are online: skype, nokia messaging, IM etc. |
| 14:37.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: you stated SmartReflex as number one measure to get a decent standby time - that's plain wrong |
| 14:37.21 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: No I did not. |
| 14:37.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | right, your 1500mAh battery been #1 |
| 14:37.43 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: I included it in a list of things to 'use/do' to get long battery life. |
| 14:37.58 | vi__ | number 3 on the list would have been: |
| 14:38.11 | vi__ | 3. Minimise junk that wakes up the CPU. |
| 14:38.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | which actually is #1 in priority and effectiveness, by far |
| 14:38.51 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: I did not state the list was organised by importance. |
| 14:39.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 14:39.06 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: I said we will not agree! |
| 14:39.59 | vi__ | But doc is right. The most important one is minimise junk that keeps the cpu awake. |
| 14:40.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, if you like to disagree, I'm fine with that ;-P |
| 14:41.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's agree we don't agree to disagree |
| 14:41.10 | vi__ | I do not agree with this. |
| 14:43.14 | kwtm | Ok, all, let's just disagree about disagreeing with this. |
| 14:43.29 | Raimu | That's too conformist. I'll agree. |
| 14:43.39 | kwtm | Instead you should all help me with this Really Weighty Problem: what command line can I call to make the N900 make a short beep? |
| 14:44.02 | kwtm | I've gotten it to send a text message but I want to indicate that it was done, hence a short beep/click or something. Is it "play click.wav" or something? |
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| 14:45.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | kwtm: playsound </full/path7to/yourwav> |
| 14:46.15 | Raimu | Actually play-sound. |
| 14:46.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 14:46.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 14:46.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 14:46.47 | infobot | methinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 14:47.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/notify.sh |
| 14:48.01 | vi__ | aplay |
| 14:48.08 | vi__ | mplayer yoursound.wav |
| 14:48.19 | vi__ | gstreamer |
| 14:48.32 | vi__ | screen notification |
| 14:48.46 | vi__ | i.e. a pop-up balloon thing. |
| 14:50.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | all way too much overhead to establish the playback stack, imho |
| 14:50.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | play-sound is (almost too) lightweight |
| 14:51.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | downside: no volume control |
| 14:51.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | iow it's unclear which policy play-sound is using |
| 14:52.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and quite obviously play-sound has no option to choose the policy for playback of your sound |
| 14:53.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | if anybody knows better detail on that topic, I'd appreciate to listen and learn |
| 14:54.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I actually haven't investigated if you maybe can control play-sound volume via system-signal-volume setting, or anything else |
| 14:55.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just know it doesn't follow the generic volume control, just mutes on profile "silent" |
| 14:56.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | kwtm: nevertheless hope that helps |
| 14:56.56 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer05: Thanks. I tried play-sound, but it keeps saying "ca_context_play_full (vol -0.000000): File or data corrupt" |
| 14:57.09 | kwtm | mplayer works, so I'll use that for now. I'll deal with the startup delay later. |
| 14:57.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, you try to play non-.wav ? |
| 14:57.44 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer05: Oh, the built-in ringtones, and also .mp3. SHould I be using sox instead? I do have mplayer installed already so I guess I'll just use that. |
| 14:59.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=900108&highlight=playswoosh |
| 14:59.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | try: /usr/bin/play-sound /usr/share/sounds/ui-charging_started.wav |
| 15:00.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | cranking up mplayer is a heavy operation |
| 15:00.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd guess |
| 15:02.44 | Raimu | DocScrutinizer05: Ever did the "ramp up brightness slowly" script? |
| 15:02.48 | Neutron__ | does anyone have any experience with cheapo chinese 3G antennas? |
| 15:02.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | Raimu: nope |
| 15:03.14 | Viltzu | Why glxinfo doesn't give anymore info when setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose |
| 15:03.15 | Viltzu | :| |
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| 15:05.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Raimu: the flaw in this concept: pushing lockswitch already enables screen backlight instantly |
| 15:06.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I'd have to deal with that, in a way that I ramp down screen brightness to zero whenever screen gets locked/dimmed |
| 15:06.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that's the point where mce and its plugins being closed starts pissing me |
| 15:09.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | the insane bug of indicator LED breathing light getting dimmed to nearly invisible brightness whenever you lock the device in bright sunlight being another such point |
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| 15:10.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, which insane crazy rationale might have resulted in THAT? |
| 15:11.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh all ALS related stuff feels rather "green" and incomplete beta state |
| 15:12.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I actually already pondered several times to kill the ALS driver all together |
| 15:14.32 | Raimu | Yeh, that's dumb. |
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| 15:15.38 | Raimu | I actually originally thought there's something wrong with the n900 before I realized there's some adaptive lighting scheme playing with the screen, for instance. |
| 15:16.02 | Raimu | Sitting in some random room and then the screen goes darker, brighter, darker again. |
| 15:16.05 | Raimu | ffs |
| 15:16.48 | vi__ | I thought MCE was more or less exposed in meego? |
| 15:26.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, it's a crippled version Nokia disclosed for meego's /mer's sake |
| 15:29.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | like they did so many times. For mer/meego they disclosed things within 5 days after stskeeps asking for it, while same stuff been on a "please disclose" list for fremantle since literally years |
| 15:30.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | then they disclose stuff they think will suffice for meego, and don't care about fremantle and the disclosure-request there, not even to the point of *letting us know* they just disclosed (parts of) the stuff for meego purposes. We had to spot the rocks on gittorious by random finding |
| 15:31.11 | RST38h | yawns |
| 15:31.17 | RST38h | EHLO, gentlemen |
| 15:31.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite a nasty way to treat your community |
| 15:31.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi RST38h |
| 15:31.38 | RST38h | Whazzup, Doc? Some source code got disclosed? |
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| 15:31.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, just rant about age old mce "disclosure" |
| 15:32.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind, actually |
| 15:33.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: I'm just still missing the sources for *our* mce, so I could finally fix some annoying bugs the easy way |
| 15:34.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | like the "dim notifications LED, after locking device in bright sunlight" bug |
| 15:35.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not all that alarmed about it since I learnt about the root cause, but it's still annoying silly a bug |
| 15:36.31 | RST38h | Sure it is because of sunlight? |
| 15:36.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | and fixing it would mean RE of mce binary, and patching in some bytes |
| 15:36.53 | RST38h | is more annoyed about device going out of locked state every time it is plugged in |
| 15:36.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | not exactly |
| 15:37.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | why that? |
| 15:37.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I agree it should be a user config option in mce.ini |
| 15:37.45 | RST38h | No idea, this misfeature has been introduced around PR 1.2 |
| 15:38.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | but after all you *could* fix it via a tiny scriptie for dbus-scripting |
| 15:38.16 | RST38h | I plug it into charger for a night and do not want it to wake up at that time |
| 15:38.21 | RST38h | heh |
| 15:39.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: probably some designer opened a ticket "doesn't unlock screen on plugin to charger, so chargeing notification goes unnoticed" |
| 15:40.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you know, design is sacrosanct. when they demand sth, it gets done that way |
| 15:40.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | no matter if developers thing "what a pile of BS!" |
| 15:40.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | think* |
| 15:42.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | developers otoh won't do a sane requirements spec including some config key, when such a change request from design dept. comes in |
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| 15:42.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | somebody is picking the ticket, hacks some 5 lines of code, tests and delivers it, and next PR it gets rolled out |
| 15:43.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | you probably dafely could roll back to previous mce version |
| 15:43.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | safely |
| 15:45.06 | RST38h | Doc: Yeah, designers are of course the final decision makers on everything |
| 15:45.13 | RST38h | and the middle management |
| 15:45.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: are you sure it's not related to your setting of "keep backlight on when on charger"? |
| 15:45.33 | RST38h | I have this option off |
| 15:45.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 15:46.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't, so I didn't even notice this change when pr1.2 update came |
| 15:46.56 | Corsac | hmhm, I didn't know there was such an option |
| 15:47.11 | Corsac | (or is it on Maemo 5?) |
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| 16:09.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure on maemo5 |
| 16:10.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | what else? |
| 16:11.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I fail to recall if it's a standard display settings option, or in tweakr, or just in mce.ini |
| 16:11.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | but definitely on fremantle/maemo5 |
| 16:11.44 | RST38h | remembers disabling it but does not remember where |
| 16:13.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | T900: (pre-pr1.3) settings -< display -> "backlight during charging" |
| 16:13.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/-</->/ |
| 16:13.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2nd checkbox from top |
| 16:15.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, I think it's been there since very beginning of maemo5 |
| 16:18.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | lols @ CA thread. Council hardly came into existence at all, nobody sane would have expected it to perform in an extraordinarily perfect way. Now it shows this expectations were all justified, and a few go nuts about that fact? |
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| 16:21.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | you elected them, you got them. You didn't run for council yourselves. There's not been a way to vote void as I suggested last time a few minutes ago. That's what you get, live with it, or do sth about it. discussing in aftermath how this CA thing got handled is plain futile and poisonous to community at large |
| 16:23.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | (unless of course you hope for "educating the council members how to do it right" - something at least the most agressive and annoying one of the bunch already refused to ever do) |
| 16:24.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | (to change own behaviour that is) |
| 16:25.28 | NIN101 | to me it seemed (and seems still) council doesn't have real power anyway, so it doesn't matter. |
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| 16:26.09 | vi___ | wtf is aries damage? |
| 16:26.41 | vi___ | or is he just a mad jelly butthurt bellbag? |
| 16:28.07 | vi___ | everyone is carefully trying to avoid listing the negative points of entrants in order to save a 'public bashing' |
| 16:28.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101: the more I'm feeling tempted to kick in and argue when e.g. FMG claims "council supposed to *lead* the community for the next 6 months" (owtte) |
| 16:29.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsck NO! they are meant to *represent* us, not to lead and govern us |
| 16:29.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody will govern and "lead" the community |
| 16:29.58 | NIN101 | yep. |
| 16:31.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas it seems quite a number of people incl most of council staff got it wrong on that minor detail |
| 16:32.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | like if 10% of "community" elected a dictator quintett to rule the other 90% to obey to what those 10% of douchebags (usually very new to community as well) think things should be like |
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| 16:33.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | "we rule! be with us or be under us" |
| 16:33.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | no Sir! |
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| 16:35.24 | Lava_Croft | testosteron powers so many great things |
| 16:35.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 16:36.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got my very own idea why most of council refused to publish a photo of themselves |
| 16:37.04 | Lava_Croft | people want the council to show a photo of themselves? |
| 16:37.13 | Lava_Croft | thats a great idea, certainly on the internet |
| 16:37.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I'm doing this even while I'm not a council candadate |
| 16:38.07 | Lava_Croft | posting a photo of yourself? |
| 16:38.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I expect that from anybody asking for my vote, on any role whatsoever |
| 16:38.27 | Lava_Croft | you do? |
| 16:38.34 | Lava_Croft | how is their physical appearance in any way related |
| 16:38.41 | utanapischti | "18:35:25 Lava_Croft | testosteron powers so many great things" >>> hair loss |
| 16:38.47 | Lava_Croft | utanapischti: tell me about it |
| 16:38.55 | Lava_Croft | hair loss in the wrong places! |
| 16:39.27 | utanapischti | which place is wrong? |
| 16:39.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | 16 year old teenies with skinhead heircut and very special tatoo on their forehead? |
| 16:39.35 | Lava_Croft | who cares? |
| 16:39.44 | Lava_Croft | how is their physical appearance related? |
| 16:40.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | *i* for one am interested in physical appearance |
| 16:40.17 | jacekowski | council doesn't exist |
| 16:40.17 | Lava_Croft | then you probably arent the right kind of person to participate in the voting |
| 16:40.20 | jacekowski | it's all just a computer program |
| 16:40.23 | Lava_Croft | pizzatime! |
| 16:40.26 | jacekowski | that's why there is no photo of it |
| 16:40.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | as I won't vote for somebody that looks, smells, and talks like an old Nazi for example |
| 16:41.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | as odds are he actually *is* an old nazi |
| 16:41.51 | jacekowski | i thought most germans are |
| 16:42.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | and a 16 year old grumpy teenager with "conquer the world" phantasies will somehow expose this on a photo as well, if only his age |
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| 16:42.47 | utanapischti | 18:41:51 jacekowski | i thought most germans are <<<< most germans are too young to know what a nazi was |
| 16:43.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | and after all it's good practice since at least 100 years you get faces of your electable candidates, no matter what's the election |
| 16:44.07 | utanapischti | most non-germans dont know what they are talking about too |
| 16:44.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you're considering running for council but are afraid to publish a shitty photo of your nose, just rethink! maybe council is not the role for you |
| 16:45.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | but this council is all about redefining council from publicly known representatives to hidden acting dictatorship |
| 16:46.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | and not liking to see your face published is all in line with that |
| 16:46.53 | jacekowski | shadow council |
| 16:47.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | hell, were some of them even reluctant to disclose their real life names? |
| 16:48.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/images/8/82/3D03C5DC-655D-418C-98F0-919B1EAF4FAB.JPG is actually a laugh |
| 16:49.28 | Lava_Croft | the problem with demanding pictures is that inevitably it will turn into a discussion about quality of the photos, the physical appearance of the subjects and what not |
| 16:49.34 | jacekowski | well, when people ask for my photo i give them that |
| 16:49.37 | Lava_Croft | and if this was a modelling contest, that would be great |
| 16:49.42 | jacekowski | http://gallery.jacekowski.org/main.php?g2_itemId=1266 |
| 16:49.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: bullshit |
| 16:50.02 | Lava_Croft | you must be new to the internet |
| 16:50.10 | jacekowski | + people would be wanking to female phtos |
| 16:50.20 | Lava_Croft | that too, but i was trying to avoid porn |
| 16:50.22 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 16:50.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, you must. http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council tells the whole sad story, at a glace. indeed |
| 16:51.10 | Lava_Croft | i dont see why you make such a fuss about portrait photos |
| 16:51.31 | Lava_Croft | they could be physically attracting to both sexes and still be horrible people |
| 16:51.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: and no, there's never been *any* beauty contest or complaint about poor photo quality going on for any council except last and current one |
| 16:51.44 | jacekowski | tbh. i don't know those names |
| 16:52.06 | Lava_Croft | so thats not never |
| 16:52.51 | Lava_Croft | look, i personally always enjoy people's portrait pictures, but i just dont see how its so important to this |
| 16:53.23 | Lava_Croft | same with real life names |
| 16:53.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: they could be snake people from mars, in disguise. Still no reason to tell community "F U, you won't get a photo of _me_, suckers" |
| 16:53.31 | Lava_Croft | it is |
| 16:53.40 | Lava_Croft | why does the community have a right to know what you look like |
| 16:53.44 | Lava_Croft | how is it important to this matter |
| 16:54.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: simply because it's how community elected ... (counting) 4(?) councils befor the abysmally poor last and incredibly arrogant current one |
| 16:54.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | 5 actually |
| 16:54.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least |
| 16:54.50 | Lava_Croft | i think "we always did it like this in the past" is a weak argument |
| 16:54.58 | Lava_Croft | and thats to put it mildly |
| 16:55.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think THIS is the wrakest argument |
| 16:55.19 | Lava_Croft | and i dont know about you, but arrogance is something you can easily fake either way in a picture |
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| 16:55.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 16:55.35 | Lava_Croft | please dont tell me that you link their pictures to their possible arrogant personalities |
| 16:55.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 16:55.50 | Lava_Croft | hey, thats what you are saying |
| 16:56.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | you are obviously one of the douchebags |
| 16:56.05 | Lava_Croft | eh? |
| 16:56.13 | Lava_Croft | i dont agree, so i must be a douchebag |
| 16:56.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | the 10% to define new rules |
| 16:56.39 | Lava_Croft | this is hardly the right way to take on a discussion like this |
| 16:56.39 | MohammadAG | I see the arguing is moving to irc |
| 16:56.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | to conquer the other 90% |
| 16:56.47 | Lava_Croft | well, the arguing is over now |
| 16:56.51 | MohammadAG | Well, at least freenode isn't funded by Nokia |
| 16:57.01 | MohammadAG | What's this about photos |
| 16:57.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council |
| 16:57.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | tells the whole story |
| 16:57.37 | Lava_Croft | someone is making a lot of fuss about some missing portrait photos |
| 16:57.50 | Lava_Croft | because that is one of the real problems this community faces in these times |
| 16:57.59 | Macer | i have my plasma tv open trying to tap test where the hell the problem is |
| 16:58.02 | Lava_Croft | that is really a subject that you want to argue about on both the forums and irc |
| 16:58.10 | Macer | the left side of it keeps flickering and going blank |
| 16:58.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and that one are you, Sir |
| 16:58.18 | Lava_Croft | and then when someone does not agree, you just fall into petty insulting |
| 16:58.21 | Macer | then sometimes it will pop back up... sucks heh |
| 16:58.26 | Lava_Croft | like a really, really bad salesperson |
| 16:58.44 | Lava_Croft | good luck with it, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 16:58.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | *I* just said the photo issue is in line with other bad practice and notion we see on current council |
| 16:59.05 | MohammadAG | So what if photos are missing |
| 16:59.47 | MohammadAG | I'm both of those guys with different nicks and I did that to have 3 N9s |
| 16:59.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | then that shows the one is not bothering |
| 16:59.59 | MohammadAG | Nothing wrong there, carry on |
| 17:00.25 | MohammadAG | Its a simple cosmetic issue on the wikis |
| 17:00.27 | Lava_Croft | Not just that, I dont see what one should should express so much negativity over a subject like this |
| 17:00.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | not willing to follow best practice of former councils |
| 17:00.41 | Lava_Croft | I mean, there's surely other subjects you can direct it at, more productive things |
| 17:00.54 | MohammadAG | Estel_: Fix it, please, kthxbai |
| 17:01.01 | MohammadAG | See? Problem solved |
| 17:01.12 | MohammadAG | No need for personal attacks |
| 17:01.45 | MohammadAG | Also the other guy, he's usually on irc, ping him about it |
| 17:02.20 | Lava_Croft | i know a good way to change the subject |
| 17:02.27 | Lava_Croft | MohammadAG: what is up with the n9 camera |
| 17:02.38 | Lava_Croft | is it the GPS (settings?) that cause it to take ages to startup? |
| 17:02.42 | Lava_Croft | or just not start up at all |
| 17:03.22 | MohammadAG | Lava_Croft: No, it's something added in between beta2 and pr1.2 |
| 17:03.31 | Lava_Croft | something unknown? |
| 17:03.36 | Macer | the N9 camera? |
| 17:03.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: things started around http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2012-06-23T19:29:10 - read that and you'll se how we came to this silly photo topic now |
| 17:03.46 | MohammadAG | Idk, but it was very fast on prelease software |
| 17:03.47 | Lava_Croft | it does seem related to the GPS, but that might just be decieving |
| 17:03.47 | Macer | you're running maemo on an n9? |
| 17:04.00 | Lava_Croft | the n9 does run maemo :) |
| 17:04.01 | MohammadAG | VERY FAST |
| 17:04.07 | MohammadAG | no, we had geotagging in beta1 |
| 17:04.24 | Lava_Croft | it seemed very fast at first too |
| 17:05.00 | zeq_laptop | I don't think it really has anything to do with the council. A lot of people on tmo wanted to *buy* an N950 or similar updated N900 type device. There's a lot of frustration (at Nokia) but now being directed at those they see getting what they wanted. |
| 17:05.23 | Lava_Croft | zeq_laptop: i backspace'd a message of the same nature a while agoD |
| 17:05.25 | Lava_Croft | :D* |
| 17:05.54 | zeq_laptop | I'm not paying enough attention, just seeing the discussion roll by... |
| 17:05.57 | zeq_laptop | :) |
| 17:06.14 | Lava_Croft | i didnt actually send it to the server:) |
| 17:06.17 | Macer | haha |
| 17:06.22 | zeq_laptop | I'm trying to get the Linaro 4.7.2 toolchain working in sb |
| 17:06.26 | MohammadAG | Don't judge a book by its cover |
| 17:06.38 | MohammadAG | 16 year olds aren't bad :p |
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| 17:06.53 | MohammadAG | The way they act is what matters |
| 17:06.53 | Lava_Croft | when i was 16yo, i had a sea of time |
| 17:07.04 | zeq_laptop | Lava_Croft: ie backspaced - not enough attention :p |
| 17:07.10 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 17:07.24 | MohammadAG | Lava_Croft: It's global warming that made it disappear, not age |
| 17:07.36 | Lava_Croft | oh geez |
| 17:07.50 | Lava_Croft | i live in the netherlands |
| 17:07.53 | Lava_Croft | less sea is always good here |
| 17:07.56 | MohammadAG | How old are you now? |
| 17:08.01 | Lava_Croft | you want my picture too? |
| 17:08.13 | MohammadAG | Yes, in a bikini please |
| 17:08.16 | Lava_Croft | i turn 31 in august:) |
| 17:08.18 | RST38h | moos at Mohammad |
| 17:08.25 | MohammadAG | Moo RST38h |
| 17:08.26 | Macer | she's on irc... she has to be fat |
| 17:08.29 | Macer | hides |
| 17:08.37 | RST38h | Lava: So you can now officially bitch about 16-year olds, or what? |
| 17:08.45 | Lava_Croft | was i bitching about 16 year old? |
| 17:08.47 | Lava_Croft | i think someone else was |
| 17:08.48 | MohammadAG | Lava_Croft: Don't actually do that, no seriously, please don't |
| 17:08.59 | Lava_Croft | MohammadAG: dont worry, i dont fit im my wife's bikinis anyway |
| 17:09.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: and again you got it wrong |
| 17:09.13 | NIN101 | ... |
| 17:09.21 | Lava_Croft | im sorry for breaking the spell :< |
| 17:09.28 | Macer | hahaha!! |
| 17:09.34 | MohammadAG | What I do dislike is 16 year olds with Audis |
| 17:09.43 | Lava_Croft | 16 year olds arent allowed to drive cars here |
| 17:09.44 | MohammadAG | Or BMWs |
| 17:09.46 | Macer | 16yr olds have audis? |
| 17:09.59 | RST38h | some do |
| 17:09.59 | Macer | you mean the silver spoon kids or are they just that much cheaper in the eu? |
| 17:10.02 | MohammadAG | They have dads with $$$ |
| 17:10.06 | Macer | ah ok |
| 17:10.08 | MohammadAG | Well, some of them |
| 17:10.16 | Lava_Croft | audi is like the opel kadett of semi-wealthy people |
| 17:10.20 | RST38h | Mohammad: Lemme guess, PA government functionaries? |
| 17:10.26 | MohammadAG | I had a Nissan GT-R when I was 16 |
| 17:10.27 | Lava_Croft | such a lack of personal taste |
| 17:10.34 | MohammadAG | I miss Gran Turismo |
| 17:10.36 | Macer | audis aren't that good.. but then again.. no cars are nowadays |
| 17:10.39 | Lava_Croft | i miss carmageddon |
| 17:10.43 | Macer | they're all made in china parts |
| 17:10.53 | Sc0rpius | Audis are good, well my brother has an Audi A4 and it's great |
| 17:11.03 | MohammadAG | RST38h: No, just fucked up hidden lives |
| 17:11.03 | Macer | is it new? |
| 17:11.04 | Sc0rpius | my sister has a SUV, an Audi Q6 |
| 17:11.04 | Lava_Croft | audi is nice, but its also ver standard |
| 17:11.06 | Sc0rpius | yeah 2012 |
| 17:11.09 | Lava_Croft | very* |
| 17:11.14 | MohammadAG | I like the RS3 |
| 17:11.14 | RST38h | yawns and notices that when he was 16 years of age, Carmageddon has not been written yet |
| 17:11.14 | Macer | wait until the chinese knobs start breaking off ;) |
| 17:11.16 | Lava_Croft | i like the S* series tho |
| 17:11.22 | Macer | the $100 plastic chinese knobs |
| 17:11.27 | Lava_Croft | stationwagon S* series is just ridiculous |
| 17:11.32 | RST38h | Mohammad: ah! mafia! |
| 17:11.33 | Sc0rpius | well mys sister's husband used to have an S4 and now that was a car |
| 17:11.35 | Macer | a4 is zippy tho |
| 17:11.40 | Sc0rpius | now drives a Chevrolet :S |
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| 17:11.52 | Macer | i still have a 1994 caprice classic |
| 17:11.55 | Sc0rpius | drives a 2012 Mitsubishi Lancer |
| 17:11.57 | Macer | rides like a champ still :) |
| 17:12.04 | Macer | awesome shape for its age |
| 17:12.05 | MohammadAG | There's some 17 year old with an '12 Audi, he leaves it on and unlocked when he stops for a quick thing at the market |
| 17:12.10 | Lava_Croft | i drive a 49cc Yamah Neo's |
| 17:12.22 | Lava_Croft | more like ride |
| 17:12.24 | Macer | i do need to get a new set of tires and a new paint job for it |
| 17:12.24 | MohammadAG | Too much money on his dad's hands, and apparently he doesn't appreciate it |
| 17:12.25 | RST38h | Mohammad: Won't be doingit for lonh |
| 17:12.26 | RST38h | long |
| 17:12.36 | Macer | MohammadAG: that's how all rich kids are lol |
| 17:12.46 | RST38h | and I hope corporal punishment is still in effect where you live |
| 17:12.56 | Macer | maybe once in a while rich kids aren't little spoiled brats |
| 17:12.59 | MohammadAG | Well he lives in a neighborhood filled with car thieves |
| 17:13.01 | Macer | but most are just assholes with money |
| 17:13.31 | MohammadAG | I drive a '00 golf |
| 17:13.54 | Macer | MohammadAG: like i said. i still have a 1994 caprice classic i bought in 2005 |
| 17:13.56 | Sc0rpius | ah Volkswagen :) |
| 17:14.03 | Macer | the thing runs like it is brand new heh |
| 17:14.09 | MohammadAG | 2.0 engine, so I try not to drive it a lot, at least not with gas prices now |
| 17:14.10 | Macer | so far i've only spent like 2000 on it |
| 17:14.19 | RST38h | just bought a 2012 Honda CRV |
| 17:14.22 | Macer | :-P mine is 4.3 |
| 17:14.41 | MohammadAG | How much is a litre of gas? |
| 17:14.43 | Macer | it actually sips gas quite well for being a small v8 with lots of weight to mvoe around |
| 17:14.49 | Macer | we go by gallons here |
| 17:14.57 | Macer | $3.79/gal |
| 17:14.58 | RST38h | Probably makes me a spoiled something, but the 1997 one had too many miles on it |
| 17:15.02 | Lava_Croft | haha Macer wtf |
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| 17:15.13 | Macer | that's actually cheap now :-P |
| 17:15.15 | Lava_Croft | 1.68e per liter here |
| 17:15.20 | Macer | it got up to like $4.30 |
| 17:15.22 | Macer | + |
| 17:15.23 | MohammadAG | $3.1ish per litre |
| 17:15.27 | Macer | oMG |
| 17:15.31 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: Petrol? |
| 17:15.31 | Macer | PER LITER?? |
| 17:15.32 | Sc0rpius | with $2 I can fill the whoooole tank of my car :) |
| 17:15.33 | Lava_Croft | Macer: yes |
| 17:15.36 | MohammadAG | Lava_Croft: FUUU |
| 17:15.38 | Sc0rpius | that's what you get when you live in a country with oil |
| 17:15.41 | Macer | a gallon is around 4 liters isn't it? |
| 17:15.53 | Lava_Croft | 0.264gal is 1 liter |
| 17:15.54 | Lava_Croft | apparently |
| 17:15.58 | MohammadAG | Lemme check actual conversion rates |
| 17:16.00 | Macer | omg |
| 17:16.03 | Macer | that's insane! |
| 17:16.03 | Lava_Croft | 3.785l is 1 gallon |
| 17:16.14 | Lava_Croft | Macer: you in the US? |
| 17:16.15 | Macer | so ~$9/gallon?? |
| 17:16.23 | RST38h | Sc0rpius: Nah, rur30/litre in Russia, and it has got oil |
| 17:16.25 | Macer | yes. in chicago |
| 17:16.29 | hiemanshu | I pay $1 for a litre of diesel, can drive about 20kms in a diesel |
| 17:16.31 | Lava_Croft | the US really lives in a bubble |
| 17:16.38 | Macer | Lava_Croft: i guess hahaha |
| 17:16.41 | Lava_Croft | Macer: see it as some kind of Matrix dream state |
| 17:16.46 | Lava_Croft | you will be so hurt by gas prices |
| 17:16.51 | Macer | omg almost $10 per gallon is absolutely crazy |
| 17:16.54 | Lava_Croft | just keep thinking of euro gas prices |
| 17:16.58 | Macer | Lava_Croft: the trick is to have all the refineries ;) |
| 17:17.06 | Lava_Croft | Macer: but the US has all the crazy fucking cars |
| 17:17.08 | MohammadAG | 2.05 |
| 17:17.09 | Lava_Croft | with HUGE engines |
| 17:17.15 | Lava_Croft | its just completely ridiculous |
| 17:17.17 | RST38h | Sooooo? |
| 17:17.19 | Macer | Lava_Croft: not all of them.. the hipsters have hybrids ;) |
| 17:17.31 | Macer | but $10/gallon... we would overthrow our govt if prices got that high |
| 17:17.35 | Lava_Croft | haha, yes |
| 17:17.36 | RST38h | So, US isa ridiculous country? Thanks, Cpt Obvious |
| 17:17.40 | Lava_Croft | but you will get there, one way or the other |
| 17:17.50 | Macer | i swear we would send in mercs to slaughter and take over the middle east if it ever hit$10 |
| 17:17.51 | Lava_Croft | you have one pre on europe tho |
| 17:17.53 | Lava_Croft | you are americans |
| 17:18.07 | Lava_Croft | so if the gas prices bother you guys too much, you just invent some new shit |
| 17:18.07 | Macer | Lava_Croft: not our fault we won all the major wars :-P |
| 17:18.09 | Macer | lol |
| 17:18.12 | Lava_Croft | with hesitation |
| 17:18.15 | Macer | yeah |
| 17:18.18 | Macer | we're funny like that |
| 17:18.20 | Lava_Croft | in the eu, that will take a goddamn century |
| 17:18.22 | Sicelo | ~owtte |
| 17:18.22 | infobot | somebody said owtte was or words to the effect |
| 17:18.35 | Lava_Croft | too bad we all get beat by china! :D |
| 17:18.35 | Macer | when it becomes a need we will have nuclear plants in corn fields pumping out billions of gallons of ethanol a day |
| 17:18.46 | MohammadAG | Yeah, 2.05/liter |
| 17:18.50 | Macer | no way... china's days are numbered ;) |
| 17:18.53 | Lava_Croft | naw |
| 17:18.56 | Lava_Croft | china will transition |
| 17:19.01 | Macer | they can't sustain themselves forever |
| 17:19.05 | Macer | i doubt it |
| 17:19.11 | Macer | we need another big war soon |
| 17:19.21 | Lava_Croft | naw, chinese empire has always owned this planet |
| 17:19.21 | MohammadAG | I get 200km per 50$ |
| 17:19.33 | Lava_Croft | euromarican empire is just temporary |
| 17:19.33 | Macer | Lava_Croft: they kind of have haven't they? :) |
| 17:19.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | in Chine petrol is for free, but in 5 years you'll have to pay for the air your car engine needs ;-P |
| 17:19.46 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: hahaha!! |
| 17:19.48 | MohammadAG | Fuck American cars |
| 17:19.53 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: WTF? I get about 700km for $50 |
| 17:20.02 | Lava_Croft | 'real' american cars always feel cheap and shoddy to me |
| 17:20.06 | Lava_Croft | cheap plastics, bad finish |
| 17:20.07 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu: Engine capacity? |
| 17:20.10 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: you would think by now someone would find a way to suck it all out the air and squeeze it back together :) |
| 17:20.14 | MohammadAG | Lava_Croft: ++ |
| 17:20.24 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: 35L |
| 17:20.26 | Lava_Croft | and then those engines |
| 17:20.28 | Lava_Croft | i mean seriously |
| 17:20.29 | Macer | Lava_Croft: older ones are better |
| 17:20.36 | jaska | 800km, ~95 eur (per week) |
| 17:20.41 | Macer | like pre-gas woes cars |
| 17:20.43 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu: The fuck |
| 17:20.44 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: oh wait, 1.2L |
| 17:20.44 | Lava_Croft | why do a lot of those cars sport those ridiculous engines |
| 17:20.45 | Macer | 60s and 50s heh |
| 17:20.49 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: I read that wrong |
| 17:20.51 | MohammadAG | Oh, makes sense |
| 17:20.51 | Macer | maybe even some 70s |
| 17:20.58 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: I can go upto 170 |
| 17:21.01 | MohammadAG | Mine's a 2.0 |
| 17:21.03 | Macer | Lava_Croft: penis envy |
| 17:21.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | hiemanshu: hiemanshu^ |
| 17:21.08 | MohammadAG | 260, but that doesn't matter |
| 17:21.08 | Lava_Croft | Fiat makes 1.3l diesel engines |
| 17:21.14 | Lava_Croft | thats the stuff americans should love |
| 17:21.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi hiemanshu, i meant |
| 17:21.19 | Macer | haha |
| 17:21.23 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: the roads here are built only for 100kmph :P |
| 17:21.25 | hiemanshu | hey DocScrutinizer05! |
| 17:21.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | how's marriage? |
| 17:21.29 | Macer | geo/chevy made 1.3l engines |
| 17:21.31 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu: 110 here |
| 17:21.33 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer05: good so far :) |
| 17:21.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 17:21.38 | Lava_Croft | Macer: probably Fiat engines:) |
| 17:21.42 | MohammadAG | But there's a private Russian road here |
| 17:21.46 | Macer | no.. suzuki |
| 17:21.47 | Lava_Croft | Fiat engines are in so many cars that its hard to know em all |
| 17:21.49 | Lava_Croft | heh, nice |
| 17:21.54 | Macer | theh actual car was just a rebranded suzuki swift |
| 17:21.58 | MohammadAG | Max speed is 110, not enforced |
| 17:21.59 | Macer | don't know what was up with that |
| 17:22.07 | MohammadAG | So most people do 160-180 |
| 17:22.08 | Macer | i had a geo metro |
| 17:22.15 | Macer | i could drive for days on $5 back then :) |
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| 17:22.22 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: max speed here most places is 80, but the roads cant handle much more than 140 |
| 17:22.24 | Macer | it was like 1996 tho heh |
| 17:22.26 | MohammadAG | I got to 220 on it, then air resistance == force by engine |
| 17:22.35 | MohammadAG | Well, air resistance and friction |
| 17:22.36 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: the max I have high is 170 constant for 25 mins |
| 17:22.39 | hiemanshu | hit* |
| 17:22.52 | MohammadAG | 180 for 63 mins |
| 17:23.00 | MohammadAG | Haifa to Jerusalem :P |
| 17:23.04 | Macer | km/h? |
| 17:23.09 | MohammadAG | Yeah |
| 17:23.09 | hiemanshu | yeah |
| 17:23.14 | Macer | what is that mph? |
| 17:23.21 | hiemanshu | kmph |
| 17:23.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | at 220km/h it starts getting boring, in a way it's too demanding |
| 17:23.27 | Macer | like ... 70? heh |
| 17:23.28 | MohammadAG | 130? |
| 17:23.45 | Macer | you damn euros with your metric system |
| 17:23.58 | hiemanshu | Macer: India here :P |
| 17:24.14 | Macer | india is just the forgotten UK colony :-P |
| 17:24.16 | MohammadAG | About 120 |
| 17:24.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | you damn Americans with your reverse logic and screwed units |
| 17:24.32 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: we still have more money than you :) |
| 17:24.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | 138seconds/mile |
| 17:24.37 | MohammadAG | Uh, we're the ones with the screwed system? |
| 17:24.39 | Macer | lol |
| 17:24.47 | MohammadAG | Water freezes at 0, not 36!!!' |
| 17:24.53 | Macer | 32 :-P |
| 17:24.59 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: 32 :P |
| 17:25.14 | Macer | honestly for temp we should all be using kelvins |
| 17:25.19 | Macer | both C and F are stupid |
| 17:25.21 | Macer | :) |
| 17:25.35 | Macer | for food we should be using joules |
| 17:25.42 | Macer | not calories.. wtf is a calorie?? |
| 17:25.51 | Macer | nutritionist (fake doctor) crap |
| 17:26.04 | RST38h | Macer: I hate having to correct you, but there is no need to send anyone to Middle East |
| 17:26.21 | RST38h | Macer: Most of the place is basically a flatland. Nukes will work perfectly there. |
| 17:26.36 | Macer | RST38h: hahahah.. but we have to get to it still ;) |
| 17:26.42 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05 about 220 getting boring, you're right |
| 17:26.43 | Macer | there is still a little fission required for fusion |
| 17:26.47 | MohammadAG | It's fun the first two times |
| 17:27.10 | RST38h | Macer: May require slight modifications to insure the sand around epicenter turns into glass, so that there is less pollution |
| 17:27.14 | MohammadAG | Then it seems to cost more, and you're more likely to day cause of that dumb driver who switches lanes without looking |
| 17:27.26 | MohammadAG | But 400kmph, that's a different story |
| 17:27.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | not possible on German highways ;-P |
| 17:27.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I tried XP |
| 17:28.11 | vi__ | macer then you should come to the uk. |
| 17:28.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually most cars are limited hard @ 250 here |
| 17:28.39 | jaska | software :) |
| 17:28.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | not the one I used though |
| 17:29.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | but it felt like useless stress to me driving at that speeds >>220 |
| 17:29.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | 180 feels like a nice speed to me |
| 17:29.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe even 160 |
| 17:30.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | for more my synapses aren't built |
| 17:30.33 | RST38h | Macer: Why do you need to get to it? In fact, you do not even need to bomb it, just fake the CNN/Fox/etc reporting. |
| 17:30.43 | Macer | haha |
| 17:30.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least when driving |
| 17:30.53 | RST38h | Macer: 99% Americans will be quite satisfied with the results |
| 17:31.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | airplane is a whole different thing |
| 17:31.06 | Macer | RST38h: yeah but you'll have all the eu crybabies pissed we took the oil first ;) |
| 17:31.25 | RST38h | The rest are just serial protesters who want to bankrupt American enterprise for their commie welfare state or somethign |
| 17:31.56 | RST38h | Macer: Not if you do not actually bomb, just fake it for the TV =) |
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| 17:33.44 | rzr | cat fights on tmo :) |
| 17:33.56 | Macer | rzr: aren't there always? |
| 17:33.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, me forgot to hit F5 |
| 17:34.28 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: i thought boeing was testing out a hydrogen/oxygen plane? |
| 17:34.34 | Macer | they say a drone worked quite well :) |
| 17:34.44 | Macer | and it can fly for days without refueling |
| 17:34.48 | Macer | GO BOEING! |
| 17:36.12 | Macer | http://www.boeing.com/Features/2010/07/bds_feat_phantom_eye_07_12_10.html |
| 17:36.25 | Macer | larger airports with smaller planes and better logistics |
| 17:36.38 | Macer | will cut the middle east completely out of the airline business :) |
| 17:37.07 | Macer | AND... pollute less heh... how can boeing NOT sell that? |
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| 17:55.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen javispedro |
| 17:55.26 | infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22d 21h 50m 58s ago, saying: 'the community ML activity can attest to that indeed'. |
| 18:03.20 | vi__ | ~seen infobot |
| 18:03.21 | infobot | infobot is currently on #utos (19h 6m 32s) #asterisk-doc (19h 6m 32s) #botpark (19h 6m 32s) ##t42 (19h 6m 32s) #maemo (19h 6m 32s) #fredlug (19h 6m 32s) ##ols (19h 6m 32s) #n9 (19h 6m 32s) #asterisk-scf-dev (19h 6m 32s) #flyspray (19h 6m 32s) #asterisk-dev (19h 6m 32s) #webos-internals (19h 6m 32s) #opensimpad.org (19h 6m 32s) #asterisk (19h 6m 32s) #byumug (19h 6m ... |
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| 18:07.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: there's a smarter way for that |
| 18:07.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~chaninfo |
| 18:07.21 | infobot | 123/123 channels, 5020 users, 3624 unique: #debian/1212, #kde/390, #maemo/272, #gsoc/265, #meego/185, #asterisk/181, #harmattan/173, #wowuidev/144, #oe/135, #wowace/114, #webos-internals/113, #openmoko/95, #wowhead/88, #arm-netbook/78, #openmoko-cdevel/72, #uclibc/69, #n9/67, #htc-linux/61, #utah/61, #bzflag/57, #edev/57, #qi-hardware/55, #curseforge/55, #tomcat/53, #diablofans/51, #asterisk-dev/47, #maemo-ssu/44, #/41, #sc2mapster/39, ... |
| 18:07.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+uptime |
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| 18:11.07 | vi__ | I want coffee, but it is too late for caffeine. |
| 18:11.09 | vi__ | FML. |
| 18:12.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | never too late for a nice coffee |
| 18:12.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | esp on saturday |
| 18:12.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~xyawn |
| 18:12.35 | infobot | it has been said that xyawn is strong coffee |
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| 18:13.00 | vi__ | ~pangalacticgargleblaster |
| 18:13.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki pangalacticgargleblaster |
| 18:13.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki pangalactic gargleblaster |
| 18:14.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | works better on non-fictional drinks, like: |
| 18:14.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki tschunk |
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| 18:16.42 | vi__ | I think imma. |
| 18:16.45 | vi__ | gonna get drunk. |
| 18:16.48 | vi__ | brb |
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| 20:10.25 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Sexy Female Scientist Video Draws Fire |
| 20:10.53 | RST38h | notices that more and more headlines draw involuntary "WTF?" reaction from him lately |
| 20:14.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: no worries, this are just short attacks, it comes and goes |
| 20:14.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | and eventually levels to a mild but constant wrf-feeling about everything |
| 20:16.32 | RST38h | I guess that is what is known as dementia |
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| 20:24.56 | Macer | lol@claxton missing a 3ft put |
| 20:25.06 | rzr | do u know how to fix http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APJG1njtmqk |
| 20:26.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: nope, that's commonly known as "grumpy old fart" |
| 20:27.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | rzr: I don't think youtube can be fixed |
| 20:28.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | (and no, I also don't think everybody in this chan is supposed to watch an arbitrary youtube video to decide if (s)he knows some relevant answer) |
| 20:28.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a general note: |
| 20:28.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ask |
| 20:28.58 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
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| 21:49.03 | vi___ | ~tmo |
| 21:49.03 | infobot | somebody said tmo was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. |
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| 21:49.42 | vi___ | ~tmo trolls, morons, oxen. |
| 21:49.48 | vi___ | ~tmo |
| 21:49.48 | infobot | it has been said that tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. |
| 21:50.19 | vi___ | ~butthurt |
| 21:51.48 | Hurrian | vi__, I assume it's regarding the Community Awards? |
| 21:52.47 | vi___ | uh huh. |
| 21:52.58 | vi___ | that thread has really bummed me out. |
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| 21:53.02 | Hurrian | man, is it such a hot potato. |
| 21:53.31 | Hurrian | personally, I think we should back off from discussing it until everybody's cooled down. |
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| 21:54.22 | vi___ | I would tend to agree. |
| 21:54.34 | Estel_ | what, 1660 lines to read on #maemo since yesterday? are you kidding me? |
| 21:54.50 | Estel_ | ah, I see, CA discussion migrated here ;) |
| 21:54.59 | vi___ | however a non-winner would suggest our opinion is biased. |
| 21:55.15 | Estel_ | just finished reading log |
| 21:55.30 | Estel_ | vi_, OTOH, non-winners are biased too, as they haven't won. |
| 21:55.31 | vi___ | Estel_: well it seems wrong to discuss it in the thread. |
| 21:55.37 | Estel_ | I jsut did it - posted my loast post in this thread |
| 21:55.43 | Estel_ | yes. |
| 21:55.58 | Estel_ | I've quoted Felipe - as addition to other respectable people posts - and unsubscribed |
| 21:56.03 | Estel_ | let them root there |
| 21:56.13 | Estel_ | after all, this whole mess imade by 4 - sometimes 5 angry people |
| 21:56.19 | Estel_ | that shout loudly like they're an army ;) |
| 21:56.23 | vi___ | Anything that is said is seen as a threat, a troll move, a flounce announce or a good old fashioned spam war. |
| 21:56.29 | Estel_ | (4 when not counting abil, that is idiot anyway) |
| 21:56.44 | Hurrian | Estel_, who let abill_uk back in? |
| 21:56.50 | Estel_ | well, people have their warzone, let them enjoy |
| 21:56.56 | Estel_ | Hurrian, no one, he was never banned |
| 21:57.01 | Hurrian | :o |
| 21:57.03 | Estel_ | it's beyond me why chem|st or reggie let him be |
| 21:57.11 | Hurrian | I swear he's been stirring the pot again recently |
| 21:57.14 | Estel_ | they're probabl;y afraid that he will return under 5 different names |
| 21:57.24 | vi___ | Estel_: it is beyond chem|st control. |
| 21:57.25 | Estel_ | No idea, i'm ignoring him for ages |
| 21:57.41 | Estel_ | well, arie sounds like abil 2.0, so |
| 21:58.04 | Estel_ | this guy got about ~16 votes during election, yet, he p[roclaimed himself "oner and only harmattan councilor" LOL :D |
| 21:58.07 | Estel_ | anyway |
| 21:58.23 | Hurrian | Estel_, meh, it just disturbs me - I personally prefer to have no one on Ignore list |
| 21:58.25 | Estel_ | BTw, I LOl'ed while reading DocScrutinizer messages here, before. He've made few good points |
| 21:58.35 | Hurrian | gotta fix that problem on the forum |
| 21:58.47 | Estel_ | it's a pity, that he.s douchebag and went into calling lava_croft names, jsut because the latter didn't agreed on photos thing |
| 21:59.07 | Estel_ | Well, whole Doc. He's ignoring me on irc for same reason so... His right to do, anyway *shrugs* |
| 21:59.19 | Estel_ | Hurrian, abil was, probably, fiorst one on my list |
| 21:59.31 | Estel_ | then some idiot, james bondage or whatever, hes absent for ages |
| 21:59.32 | Estel_ | ed_boner |
| 21:59.34 | Estel_ | arie |
| 21:59.42 | Estel_ | IDK, haven't che3cked ignore list for ages |
| 21:59.52 | Estel_ | mrsomething |
| 21:59.56 | Estel_ | or how is he called |
| 22:00.07 | Estel_ | every single one earned it by hard trolling work :p |
| 22:00.27 | vi___ | I have no-one. |
| 22:00.37 | Estel_ | honestly, we have much more im portant things to do, consider lack of Nokia's funding, nthat is coming |
| 22:00.51 | Estel_ | vi_, I jsut don't have time to read through they useless posts |
| 22:00.59 | Estel_ | preffer to jump straight into useful things |
| 22:01.17 | Estel_ | Hurrian, honestly, I would let "Ca results announced" thread alone |
| 22:01.25 | Estel_ | belive me, it will die itself very quickly, without feed for trolls |
| 22:01.41 | Estel_ | what they're gonna do? quote themselves and answer? |
| 22:01.58 | vi___ | but it will not die. |
| 22:02.04 | Estel_ | everything that was worth saying, we've written at least 15 times, already |
| 22:02.10 | Estel_ | it will, You'll see ;) |
| 22:02.13 | vi___ | there is some very bad feelings. |
| 22:02.22 | Estel_ | it was living, because we've replied, unnecessary, about same thingsd, over and over |
| 22:02.33 | Estel_ | stop feeding troll -> troll goes somewhere else |
| 22:03.06 | Estel_ | everyone who got brain made up own mind already - be it "I think it's ok" or "they're corrupted fellas!", whatever |
| 22:03.18 | Estel_ | the other ones are there just for trolling purposes |
| 22:03.35 | vi___ | well i have read enough to feel bad about winning now. |
| 22:03.39 | Estel_ | be it long-time trolls like abil or Arie (who advance din trolling art quite quickly), or newbie-trolls like ZogG, who still think that he got some merit |
| 22:03.53 | Estel_ | vi_, honestly, almsot no one would expect that from You |
| 22:03.56 | Estel_ | so serious mode on: |
| 22:04.04 | Hurrian | agreed, it's become a toxic topic on TMO, and needs to be left alone for the time being |
| 22:04.22 | Estel_ | Your award is well earned, and anyone trying to disregard it should be slapped into face by rusty fork |
| 22:04.39 | Estel_ | BTW - have You read Felipe Chrochik mail? |
| 22:04.57 | Estel_ | the one, where he said, that he wanted to donate device to someone, but cxhecking lsit, everyone deserving reward was awarded already? |
| 22:05.16 | Estel_ | it was really nice to read such thing from one of gurus |
| 22:05.25 | Estel_ | not to mention freemangordon, jacispedro, lma etc |
| 22:05.51 | Estel_ | BTW, freemangordon, thanks for taking aprt in that warzone, i know You don't like writing in shitstorm threads |
| 22:06.08 | Estel_ | now, there is only CC running :D |
| 22:06.22 | Estel_ | expect another, much smaller round of whinning by arie and co then |
| 22:06.33 | Estel_ | especially, when Maemo program will be awarded by harmattan device |
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| 22:06.38 | Estel_ | program = application, here |
| 22:06.46 | Estel_ | but, honestly, who care? |
| 22:07.21 | Estel_ | I'm absolutely sure CC will be held next year too, really, those aries/abil/zog pack isn't worth so much worrying. We've had worse flamewars already |
| 22:07.41 | vi___ | the maemo coding competiton is judged by all TMO right? |
| 22:07.45 | Estel_ | vi_, real;ly, don't feel bad about Your win - in other case, prize would be jsut forwarded to CC. |
| 22:07.53 | Estel_ | vi_,, not only TMO |
| 22:07.57 | Estel_ | basically, something like election |
| 22:08.01 | Estel_ | karma minimum of 10, etc |
| 22:08.46 | Estel_ | BTw, have You seen Saera project (topic on TMO)?> It's very promising |
| 22:08.56 | Estel_ | I know, I know, it's only basic AI, but having something like that in N900... |
| 22:09.07 | vi___ | so all eyes and INABT will still get their devices. |
| 22:09.13 | Estel_ | ...and teching few hundreds of smart conversation lines... |
| 22:09.22 | Estel_ | vi_, , i doubt it |
| 22:09.24 | Hurrian | Estel_, yup, finally a complete, pre-packaged PocketSphinx implementation |
| 22:09.25 | Estel_ | maybe e-yes |
| 22:09.34 | Estel_ | inabt would need to do somewthing useful, actually... |
| 22:09.38 | Estel_ | instead of scavenging javispedro work |
| 22:09.51 | Estel_ | Hurrian, yea |
| 22:09.59 | Estel_ | I'm going to teach her polish. |
| 22:10.04 | Estel_ | not polish thing |
| 22:10.07 | Estel_ | but Polish language :p |
| 22:10.14 | Hurrian | I really think it needs a rework to avoid stepping on Apple's toes. |
| 22:10.17 | vi___ | Estel_: kto? |
| 22:10.24 | Estel_ | next step - virtual sexc emulator, to give aries something to do instead of writing :P |
| 22:10.31 | Estel_ | vi_, ja |
| 22:10.46 | Estel_ | Hurrian, agreed |
| 22:10.55 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, what you had in mind by "Estel_, please fix it" |
| 22:10.56 | Estel_ | ? |
| 22:11.01 | Estel_ | My photo is already on site |
| 22:11.04 | Estel_ | (council) |
| 22:11.05 | Hurrian | Estel_, interface a USB masturbator using libusb? |
| 22:11.12 | Estel_ | Hurrian, haha |
| 22:11.20 | Estel_ | and connect him to it permanently |
| 22:11.30 | Hurrian | iirc some japanese dating simulator videogames include those |
| 22:11.34 | Estel_ | or even better, to N9 with aegis error |
| 22:11.36 | MohammadAG | Hurrian: With an x64 compatibility layer!!! |
| 22:11.42 | vi___ | now now chaps, no need to get personal. |
| 22:11.55 | Estel_ | Hurrian, why they clal it dating? |
| 22:11.55 | MohammadAG | Estel_: I'm not sure why I pinged you then :p |
| 22:11.59 | Estel_ | it'sd all about last part ;0 |
| 22:12.19 | MohammadAG | Must've made a mistake cause I remember actually seeing it |
| 22:12.26 | Estel_ | I see, np. |
| 22:12.45 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, any plans to move cssu-thumb to cssu-testing or -devel, actually? |
| 22:12.52 | Estel_ | it seems to be more mature than current cssu-devel |
| 22:13.03 | Estel_ | AFAIK it's up to You or merlin |
| 22:13.15 | Estel_ | (as maintainers) |
| 22:13.34 | MohammadAG | No, we have oppositions about forcing everyone to thumb |
| 22:13.45 | Hurrian | ...speaking of libusb, did anyone get the memo that it's deprecated by libusbx? I think that finally means developing 0xFFFF as main priority flasher should be higher now |
| 22:13.52 | MohammadAG | I'll leave you to discuss that with DocScrutinizer in your own time frame |
| 22:14.00 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, LOL? CSSu is forcing many other things, already |
| 22:14.02 | MohammadAG | Note: requires at least 2 hours |
| 22:14.07 | Estel_ | and I'm not talking about oeprator widget only ;) |
| 22:14.16 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, discussing with DocScrutinizer is futile |
| 22:14.17 | MohammadAG | Estel_: Not as big as thumb |
| 22:14.25 | MohammadAG | This has a potential ABI break |
| 22:14.26 | Hurrian | MohammadAG, let's wait for another two releases of cssu-testing before pushing it into CSSU Main |
| 22:14.38 | Estel_ | well, so point single meritocratic argument of any con caused by thumb. |
| 22:14.43 | Hurrian | side note: CSSU thumb forces you to use k-p, and not the nokia kernel |
| 22:14.51 | Hurrian | so nokia kernel purists who use cssu may bitch |
| 22:14.59 | Estel_ | Hurrian, yea. But that's later about cssu and cssu-kp |
| 22:15.06 | MohammadAG | Estel_: Camera ui and the oerator widget while indeed forced do not cause some sort of ABI break |
| 22:15.13 | Estel_ | Hurrian, lets leave them non-kernel variant of CSSu, but it shouldn't be main |
| 22:15.25 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, what is broken by thumb now? |
| 22:15.47 | MohammadAG | Thumb does, it needs a new kernel and thus we need to ensure that all kernels support it and we nee to ship our own kernel for those not using kernel power |
| 22:15.55 | Estel_ | despite saving memory and rootfs space, which is rather pros? |
| 22:16.00 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, see few lines above. |
| 22:16.00 | MohammadAG | Nothing, it's an ABI break |
| 22:16.09 | Estel_ | like enter and kp_enter in terminal?;) |
| 22:16.15 | MohammadAG | Google ABI break of you're not familiar with the term |
| 22:16.19 | Estel_ | honestly, it sounds ratyher ideological. |
| 22:16.23 | Estel_ | I am. |
| 22:16.32 | SpeedEvil | Umm - isn't thumb deprecated and partially broken on the n900 proc? |
| 22:16.38 | Estel_ | of course it's up to you, but CSSU is now veyr fragmented, which is quite funny for project with so low suer-base |
| 22:16.38 | MohammadAG | Estel_: It requires recompiled binaries |
| 22:16.44 | Hurrian | SpeedEvil, it's fixed now |
| 22:16.48 | SpeedEvil | ah :) |
| 22:16.48 | Estel_ | (objectively, not subjectively vs Maemo at all) |
| 22:16.49 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil: Fixed |
| 22:16.57 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - not been keeping up. |
| 22:17.00 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, no, it doesn't. ARM binaries works fine |
| 22:17.08 | Estel_ | it require recompiling to benefit from thumb |
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| 22:17.20 | MohammadAG | No, it's not up to me, I got hammered when I said I don't mind thumb in main branch |
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| 22:17.22 | Estel_ | + we have kernel-power-settings that depend onw rong thing, but it's rather not CSSU problem |
| 22:17.33 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, so don't let Yourself be hammered so easily, without merit |
| 22:17.40 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer is stubborn without any merit there |
| 22:17.53 | MohammadAG | Estel_: Yes, and if someone switches kernels they can't use those binaries |
| 22:17.55 | Estel_ | and his personal ego can't obstruct CSSu development, IMO |
| 22:17.59 | MohammadAG | Resulting in an unstable system |
| 22:18.02 | Estel_ | I agreed with kernel |
| 22:18.09 | Estel_ | I see no rpoblems with CSSU-kernel and CSSU-lite variant |
| 22:18.19 | MohammadAG | Estel_: I simply give up, less headache |
| 22:18.19 | Estel_ | it's natural, that the lite one will be maintained and featured less. |
| 22:18.30 | Hurrian | wow, that's fragmented. |
| 22:18.43 | vi___ | I do not believ thumb belongs in cssu-main. |
| 22:18.46 | MohammadAG | No personal attacks, please! |
| 22:18.47 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, bad practice, giving up make folk like DocScrutinizer think, that if they shout loudly enough, they will have everything like they like. |
| 22:18.52 | Estel_ | no problem :) |
| 22:18.59 | Estel_ | I'mattacking position, not person. |
| 22:19.07 | vi___ | It does not smell right. |
| 22:19.11 | Estel_ | I jsut don't accept "you won't hijack CSSU" as answer, why thumb is bad, and other changes aren't. |
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| 22:19.27 | Estel_ | now we have CSSu-Stable, being not updated for ages |
| 22:19.28 | MohammadAG | Estel_: He has valid points, he's entitled to make an opinion |
| 22:19.34 | Estel_ | CSSU-Testing, working as CSSU-main |
| 22:19.36 | Hurrian | vi___, all that's needed to be done is to prove that thumb code executes properly on CPU |
| 22:19.46 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, I absolutely agree. for opinion, not for blocking. |
| 22:19.55 | Estel_ | Hurrian, it's proved already. |
| 22:19.57 | vi___ | Hurrian: yes, however it is a one way ticket. |
| 22:20.07 | Hurrian | ? |
| 22:20.09 | Estel_ | ...then, we have CSSU-devel, sue dby almsot no one... |
| 22:20.16 | Estel_ | And CSSu-thumb, acting as -devel |
| 22:20.24 | Estel_ | So, *reral* world looks like: |
| 22:20.24 | MohammadAG | Estel_: If his opinion is agreed upon by others then I wouldn't argue |
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| 22:20.40 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, I seem to reclal that You said You don't mind thumb in main |
| 22:20.41 | Estel_ | anyway |
| 22:20.58 | Estel_ | reality is, that we have CSSU-Testing as main, and CSSU-thumb as testing |
| 22:21.01 | Estel_ | mutualy incompatible |
| 22:21.07 | MohammadAG | Estel_: Yes, but If DocScrutinizer and others suggested not to do that for valid reasons, I won't force it |
| 22:21.09 | Estel_ | then, we have CSSU-Stable as "legacy" |
| 22:21.13 | Estel_ | and CSSu-devel failing to provide. |
| 22:21.25 | Estel_ | OK, no problem. i'm making my points too |
| 22:21.26 | Hurrian | imo, since our N900s have such limited compute power, it's best that we utilize all it's features when we can |
| 22:21.35 | MohammadAG | I started the cssu, I could be thought of the main leader of it but with great "power" comes great resposibility |
| 22:21.35 | Estel_ | it's CSSu maintainers responsibility, i'm not stepping in Your shoes |
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| 22:21.49 | Hurrian | we /may/ break some programs in corner cases, but it only means it should be fixed and tested more, not roll back |
| 22:21.52 | Estel_ | eh, spidermen quotation again? |
| 22:21.53 | MohammadAG | There's a good user base running the cssu, we can't break stuff for them |
| 22:22.04 | Estel_ | I liked times when people were watching original star wars trilogy and lord of the rings, more :) |
| 22:22.15 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, who said about breaking? |
| 22:22.19 | Estel_ | you have CSSU-stable |
| 22:22.20 | MohammadAG | Estel_: It shows when you run sudo for the first time on Debian |
| 22:22.26 | Estel_ | CSSU-thumb is ready for CSSU-devel, anyway |
| 22:22.32 | MohammadAG | That's where I learned it, never seen spidey |
| 22:22.38 | Estel_ | thanks godness ;) |
| 22:22.49 | MohammadAG | Estel_: Typical situation |
| 22:22.53 | MohammadAG | User installs cssu |
| 22:22.55 | Estel_ | anyway, i jsut don't realize why CSSU-devel isn't good place for thumb |
| 22:22.59 | MohammadAG | User uses thumb binaries |
| 22:23.09 | Estel_ | is listening |
| 22:23.17 | MohammadAG | User decided to legally hack a wifi network by using the supported kerne |
| 22:23.34 | MohammadAG | User blindly follows tutorial instructing him to use kernel |
| 22:23.47 | Estel_ | so we have user error, already. CSSU problem? |
| 22:24.03 | MohammadAG | User installs kernel with WLAN drivers, ends up with unbootable drivers |
| 22:24.11 | Hurrian | mp-fremantle-community-pr-thumb Conflicts: kernel-power < 51 |
| 22:24.11 | MohammadAG | Err, unbootable or unstable system |
| 22:24.15 | MohammadAG | Sorry, I'm tired |
| 22:24.15 | Estel_ | there are still tutorials, where people are supposeds kp4-wl1 |
| 22:24.27 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, LOL, thisa way we should use kp50 |
| 22:24.36 | Estel_ | cause it break, when user flashed kp46-wl1 |
| 22:24.45 | MohammadAG | Hurrian: That's not the only kernel and Debian packaging isn't the only way of installing a custom kernel |
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| 22:24.52 | MohammadAG | You could use flasher |
| 22:24.52 | Estel_ | not to mention ,that this can be handled easily by dependencies and conflicts. |
| 22:25.04 | Hurrian | mp-fremantle-community-pr-thumb Requires: kernel-thumb-support |
| 22:25.09 | Hurrian | fixed! |
| 22:25.10 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, if someone use flasher for that, it's his damn responsibility |
| 22:25.14 | Estel_ | to ensure that he isn't dumbie. |
| 22:25.20 | Estel_ | Hurrian, agree |
| 22:25.29 | Estel_ | thinking like that, we would be sittinjg on Nokia kernel without CSSu at all |
| 22:25.33 | Hurrian | anything else is idiot intentionally breaking system |
| 22:25.41 | MohammadAG | No, the fact that online guides make it easy doesn't |
| 22:25.44 | Estel_ | anyway, I understand that You're tired MohammadAG,. not keeping You with prolonged discussion |
| 22:26.01 | Hurrian | anyways, user should be able to mount fremantle rootfs from nemo and reinstall correct modules and flash kernel |
| 22:26.09 | MohammadAG | No, I'm tired so I will make typing mistakes |
| 22:26.15 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, everyone can use dpkg --force or flasher, no matter what |
| 22:26.19 | MohammadAG | It's not my way of leaving a discussion |
| 22:26.19 | Estel_ | ah I see |
| 22:26.24 | Estel_ | no problem, I also do them ;) |
| 22:26.36 | Estel_ | Well, idiot can force installation of kp46-wl1 modules on kp50 |
| 22:26.36 | MohammadAG | Estel_: Flasher is easier to use than dpkg --gorce |
| 22:26.38 | Estel_ | so what? |
| 22:26.42 | MohammadAG | According to online guides |
| 22:26.48 | Estel_ | arguable, but even if... |
| 22:26.51 | Macer | anybody try a roku? |
| 22:26.59 | Estel_ | we shouldn't give a shit about random online guide. |
| 22:27.06 | Hurrian | shouldn |
| 22:27.24 | Estel_ | If I write guige to do crossover USb cable, plug it into main, and enable hostmode... |
| 22:27.25 | Hurrian | *shouldn't we simply paint a big, fat banner that idorts need to use modern kernels? |
| 22:27.27 | Estel_ | Should we banish hostmode? |
| 22:27.51 | Estel_ | ^^^ yes for what Hurrian said |
| 22:28.09 | vi___ | you cannot do that. |
| 22:28.11 | Hurrian | actually, fmg's thumb enable patch should be in all kernels built from here on out |
| 22:28.19 | Estel_ | Don't take iot as personal, but IMO DocScrutinizer is jsut pivoting CSSu to his own "vision" suited only for his particular device, which is becoming mroe and more irritating for casual users |
| 22:28.31 | vi___ | You have to make it idiot proof. |
| 22:28.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: no, it's not fixed. It has a _amybe_ working workaround in kernel space |
| 22:28.46 | Macer | lol. well... he put in a lot of work |
| 22:28.47 | Estel_ | honestly, we have so low ammount of devs working on CSSu, that You can't even get bug report acknowledged, when written in one of 6 CSSU threadfs |
| 22:28.59 | Estel_ | CSSu-stable, CSSU-Testing, CSSU-devel, CSSU-thumb... |
| 22:29.05 | Estel_ | Tommorow we will have CSSU-Thumb-testing |
| 22:29.06 | vi___ | Estel_: that is absurd. |
| 22:29.08 | Estel_ | CSSU-thumb-devel |
| 22:29.12 | Estel_ | CSSU-arse-crack |
| 22:29.19 | Estel_ | CSSU-nokernel-stable |
| 22:29.23 | Estel_ | CSSU-kernel-stable... |
| 22:29.25 | NIN101 | ... |
| 22:29.36 | Estel_ | and whole 3 people working on all of them |
| 22:29.51 | Estel_ | + programmers of other applications, screwing this and writing for compatibility with latest CSSu only |
| 22:29.55 | Estel_ | or even worse, one that they feel fancy most |
| 22:30.07 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, is wrong, again |
| 22:30.22 | Estel_ | freemangordon got *absolutely* working workaround in kernel secure mode. |
| 22:30.42 | Estel_ | Judging by that, we have _maybe_ working hostmode, _maybe_ working wifi with injection, and _maybe_ working CSSU |
| 22:31.07 | Estel_ | disrespecting freemangordon work, just because it doesn't suit personal tatse, is just... Well, I'll refrain from naming it. |
| 22:31.40 | Estel_ | BTW, we're talking about CSSU-tumb going into CSSU-devel |
| 22:31.42 | Estel_ | *devel* |
| 22:31.45 | Estel_ | magiv 5 letters |
| 22:31.50 | Estel_ | s/magiv/magic/ |
| 22:32.24 | Estel_ | no one said that it has to go stable tommorow. |
| 22:32.37 | Estel_ | Just, today's plentora-repo and plentora-topic scenario is absurd. |
| 22:33.01 | Estel_ | tommorow, we will end with 10 CSSu vfariants, everyone used by 5 people. + 3 variants used by devs and maintainers only. |
| 22:33.12 | Estel_ | ah, whatever. Not my cup of tea, anyway |
| 22:33.25 | Estel_ | is going to do full-backup and upgrade CSSU-thumb |
| 22:35.06 | Estel_ | freemangordon, could it be related to compcache? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1225181&postcount=266 |
| 22:36.15 | Estel_ | from the other barrel of vine - I've read about harmattan view on /etc/event.d and aegis... |
| 22:36.33 | Estel_ | I'm jsut going to throw Mer into N950 as soon as it arrives,even though it isn't and probably never will be fully hardware supported :/ |
| 22:39.17 | Estel_ | ~botsnack |
| 22:39.17 | infobot | Estel_: thanks |
| 22:39.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~useless |
| 22:39.33 | infobot | ACTION starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 22:40.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~hostmode |
| 22:40.22 | infobot | hostmode is, like, piece of crap written by morons to fry other people's devices! beware! |
| 22:40.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~h-e-n |
| 22:40.48 | infobot | do ~hostmode and ~factinfo hostmode, this is your maemo council :-/ |
| 22:45.20 | Hurrian | Estel_, pm |
| 22:45.47 | Estel_ | Hurrian, on TMO? |
| 22:50.48 | Estel_ | ocscrutinizing |
| 22:50.59 | Estel_ | ~DocScrutinizing |
| 22:50.59 | infobot | it has been said that docscrutinizing is when someone value his ideology, ti the point of trying to force it on others, no matter of cost. Possible use case are a) infobot abuse b) threats for kick on IRC c) calling "idiot" anyone, who doesn't agree. Also, see zealot or pottering. |
| 22:51.59 | DocScrutinizing | ~forget docscrutinizing |
| 22:51.59 | infobot | i forgot docscrutinizing, DocScrutinizing |
| 22:52.09 | DocScrutinizing | ~lock docscrutinizing |
| 22:52.13 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 22:52.44 | DocScrutinizing | ~docscrutinizing is a nonsense invented by estel_ as he's a fool |
| 22:52.44 | infobot | DocScrutinizing: okay |
| 22:52.48 | DocScrutinizing | ~lock docscrutinizing |
| 22:52.48 | infobot | locking factoid docscrutinizing, DocScrutinizing |
| 22:53.31 | Estel_ | fun things happen on IRC during night, yep? It's almost like minecraft night mode. |
| 22:53.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: warning! pending kickban for bot abuse on purpose of personal insult |
| 22:54.15 | Estel_ | Docscrutinizer! warning~pwnding removal of chanop operator, for threatening with power abuse. |
| 22:54.22 | Estel_ | or even of ;0 |
| 22:54.37 | Estel_ | ~pottering |
| 22:55.02 | Estel_ | ~pöttering |
| 22:55.21 | NIN101 | kids everywhere. |
| 22:55.30 | Estel_ | sure, we have baby-boom. |
| 22:58.04 | M4rtinK | hey, I once saw Lennart in person :) |
| 22:58.38 | Estel_ | ~kickban |
| 22:58.38 | infobot | rumour has it, kickban is tool, that was used to manage irc account in good old days. Reportedly, on #maemo, it's only thing some people have to say, when they hypocrytic behavior of pivoting infobot is revealed. Also, see ~pivoting |
| 22:59.02 | Estel_ | M4rtinK, and how he was like? |
| 22:59.06 | Estel_ | Normal person, I suppose? |
| 22:59.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo kickban |
| 22:59.21 | infobot | kickban -- created by Estel_ <~Estel@Maemo/Community/council/Estel-> 1m 7s ago; it has been requested once, last by Estel_, 43s ago. |
| 22:59.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget kickban |
| 22:59.28 | infobot | i forgot kickban, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 22:59.47 | nox- | http://mirror.fem-net.de/CCC/27C3/mp4-h264-HQ/27c3-4017-en-desktop_on_the_linux.mp4 |
| 22:59.52 | nox- | re poettering |
| 23:00.00 | nox- | http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/events/4017.en.html |
| 23:00.09 | Estel_ | BTW, we will need to talk a little abotu 3rd party infobot statyus on IRC |
| 23:00.11 | NIN101 | ah yeah, i was their in RL when he was highjacking this talk. |
| 23:00.18 | nox- | heh |
| 23:00.25 | Estel_ | it's quiite not Ok, than one, biased person, keep admin rights over this tool. |
| 23:00.25 | nox- | only watched the stream |
| 23:00.34 | M4rtinK | looked normal :) |
| 23:00.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | a very funny one |
| 23:01.34 | M4rtinK | I've heard he is not the best moderator in the world :) |
| 23:01.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | lols at momentary glance of unfiltered chanlog |
| 23:02.17 | Estel_ | ~infobot |
| 23:02.17 | infobot | well, infobot is a 3rd party tool, that will transfer into proper channel tool soon, instead of being toy managed by one guy only, and pivoted to his needs. |
| 23:02.27 | NIN101 | OMG it's getting ridiculous Estel_ |
| 23:02.38 | Estel_ | NIN101, You're missing fun from TMO Ca thread?;) |
| 23:02.46 | NIN101 | not at all. |
| 23:02.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the records: infobot is absolutely completely unrelated to Nokia, #maemo, or any other domain some people here think they have to conquer to increase their self esteem |
| 23:03.16 | Estel_ | ~3rdparty is when something is not related to Nokia, @maemo, or whatever |
| 23:03.16 | infobot | Estel_: okay |
| 23:03.20 | Estel_ | ~3rdparty |
| 23:03.21 | infobot | methinks 3rdparty is when something is not related to Nokia, @maemo, or whatever |
| 23:03.31 | Estel_ | for the records ;) |
| 23:03.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | the only relation between infobot and #amemo is it's been invited by chanowner(!) |
| 23:04.03 | Estel_ | nice. Thanks for info, we will contact chanowner about this issue. |
| 23:04.39 | Estel_ | factoids are fun toys, but shouldn't be used to manipulate facts, like |
| 23:04.55 | Estel_ | ~h-e-en |
| 23:04.59 | Estel_ | ~h-e-n |
| 23:04.59 | infobot | do ~hostmode and ~factinfo hostmode, this is your maemo council :-/ |
| 23:05.17 | Estel_ | ~manipulation is something like ~h-e-n |
| 23:05.17 | infobot | Estel_: okay |
| 23:05.22 | Estel_ | ~manipulation |
| 23:05.22 | infobot | methinks manipulation is something like ~h-e-n |
| 23:05.46 | Estel_ | OK fellas, tired of this BS. See ya tommorow |
| 23:05.49 | Estel_ | waves |
| 23:05.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, it seems time to tweak her ignore list as well |
| 23:07.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget manipulation |
| 23:07.06 | infobot | i forgot manipulation, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 23:08.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo infobot |
| 23:08.10 | infobot | infobot -- created by Jupe <~rez@fl-71-55-208-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net> at Wed Nov 16 23:40:52 2011 (219 days); last modified 6m 9s ago by Estel_!~Estel@Maemo/Community/council/Estel-; it has been requested 81 times, last by Estel_, 5m 53s ago. |
| 23:08.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget infobot |
| 23:08.22 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot infobot |
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| 23:16.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | since overriding factoids like ~infobot is an offensive act and not conforming to supposed good will in using the bot |
| 23:19.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | as generally is deletion or complete redefinition of established factoids, to make them meet personal preferences or channel specific info |
| 23:23.55 | Macer | YELLOW CARD! |
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| 23:47.48 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer bitching as usual? See ~h-e-n that You've overwritten yourself, then lockied. |
| 23:48.49 | Estel_ | do what Yuo want, for me You've lost any reasonability and donm't qualify to moderate anything, be it maemo irc channel, or even toy as infobot. I'll do my best, to forward every log of Your abuse to correct authority. |
| 23:49.21 | Estel_ | Of course, when time permits, as we have *much* more important things to do, than one childlish chanop in IRC. Keep that in mind, no one is unremovable. |
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| 23:57.08 | GeneralAntilles | Can I ban? |
| 23:57.10 | GeneralAntilles | I want to ban? |
| 23:57.18 | GeneralAntilles | Or maybe just +q. |
| 23:57.20 | RST38h | No, but you can whine |
| 23:57.37 | RST38h | Or troll. In fact, trolling is morespectacular |
| 23:57.57 | GeneralAntilles | I haven't trolled in a while. |
| 23:58.09 | GeneralAntilles | I should get the crew back on Live or something. |
| 23:59.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: I'm welcoming any assistance/stand-in, in whatever form |
