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| 08:10.53 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/ToolChain |
| 08:11.12 | freemangordon | 10x |
| 08:11.47 | zeq_laptop | I'm going to have a go at building 4.7-2012.06 for scratchbox if you don't beat me to it |
| 08:12.07 | zeq_laptop | did you see I'd built a new hildon-desktop ^^^ |
| 08:12.14 | freemangordon | no way, I won't have much time till monday |
| 08:12.46 | freemangordon | yeah, saw that :). |
| 08:13.26 | zeq_laptop | I'll let you know how I get on. Is the howto on scratchbox.org valid for importing toolchains? |
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| 08:14.59 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: re. fennec. a little research has revealed we need to use the h-d API provided by qtmaemo for rotation support |
| 08:15.35 | freemangordon | yep, I am in the process of implementing it |
| 08:15.42 | zeq_laptop | cool! :) |
| 08:16.02 | zeq_laptop | don't forget vol/zoom :) |
| 08:17.20 | freemangordon | aaah, lets first finish with the rotation :) |
| 08:17.32 | zeq_laptop | one thing at a time |
| 08:18.06 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 08:19.46 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: deffinitely we a need of version control for fennec |
| 08:20.02 | freemangordon | *we need a |
| 08:21.45 | zeq_laptop | mozilla uses mercurial |
| 08:22.40 | zeq_laptop | https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central |
| 08:25.02 | vi_ | freemangordon: Yes I was highly amused by your comment. Trollmode level 99. |
| 08:26.05 | zeq_laptop | I guess we should work from http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta |
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| 08:30.48 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: I mean a place we can make commits, so we can share the code changes easily |
| 08:32.12 | freemangordon | vi_: You call me troll ?!? |
| 08:32.15 | freemangordon | creeps ashamed back under the bridge where he lives |
| 08:33.13 | StyXman | freemangordon: what are you planning you two? |
| 08:33.36 | freemangordon | StyXman: a working and usable fennec for n900 |
| 08:33.52 | freemangordon | (if you mean me and zeq_laptop) |
| 08:34.31 | freemangordon | so far it is working, but not easy to use as the screen is rotated ny 90 degrees :D |
| 08:34.32 | StyXman | yeap |
| 08:34.40 | freemangordon | *by |
| 08:34.56 | StyXman | ok, tx |
| 08:36.54 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: I get that. I suppose we don't need the full history, just a public hosted git repo would do. |
| 08:37.19 | zeq_laptop | I have an account on github |
| 08:40.30 | zeq_laptop | StyXman: the officially supported fennec widgets are Android and qt. The gtk widget has been left to bit-rot, that's why we've not had an official fennec build since v7. The Maemo5 support code was only in the gtk widget, the qt widget does have Maemo6 and MeeGo support code however. |
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| 08:41.46 | freemangordon | yep, unfortunately i have an account on gitorious. Let the battle begin :D |
| 08:42.04 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: on the other hand we could setup an account on garage |
| 08:42.16 | freemangordon | *project |
| 08:42.36 | zeq_laptop | I need to register on them anyway... |
| 08:43.55 | zeq_laptop | Would it be possible to still track upstream mozilla mercurial? |
| 08:44.04 | zeq_laptop | (as a remote) |
| 08:44.32 | zeq_laptop | would make it much easier if we decide to get our changes upstreamed |
| 08:45.12 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: NFC, most prolly not. I don't know if git could fetch remote mercurial branches |
| 08:45.35 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: If you want to make those upstreamed, I am all for it |
| 08:47.40 | freemangordon | but don't expect me to be of any use but coding, i really don't have the nerves/diplomacy needed to argue on mozilla bug tracker |
| 08:48.59 | zeq_laptop | I know what you mean... |
| 08:49.18 | freemangordon | ok, fennec .deb with maemo5 changes ready, lets check if those work |
| 08:49.40 | zeq_laptop | let me at em :) |
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| 08:55.59 | zeq_laptop | Maybe we need to talk to Romaxa |
| 08:57.11 | StyXman | well, for git/hg interaction there's fastexport/import, but it's a PITA. you could also check Joey Hess' mr, but I barely know that it exists |
| 08:57.42 | zeq_laptop | there's also git-hg, but I've no experience with it |
| 09:04.40 | freemangordon | hmm, rotation work as it should, but fennec does not resize when in portrait, lemme check |
| 09:05.41 | zeq_laptop | ok |
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| 09:09.50 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: just registered on garage |
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| 09:10.41 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: great. now we can start a new project and upload the source there |
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| 09:15.08 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: we should make sure we turn off the official branding before we make this public, unless/until we get it upstreamed. |
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| 09:17.22 | freemangordon | ok |
| 09:17.33 | freemangordon | I'll remember that |
| 09:22.17 | zeq_laptop | official fennec/qt for Maemo5 bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=566448 |
| 09:22.19 | povbot | 04Bug 566448: was not found. |
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| 09:32.25 | freemangordon | nice |
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| 09:35.17 | Hurrian | freemangordon, newer firefox builds for Maemo? |
| 09:36.08 | mgedmin | oh silly povbot, haven't I taught you to ignore bugillas other than bugzilla.maemo.org? |
| 09:36.11 | mgedmin | apparently not |
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| 09:39.29 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: shall I just re-use fennec as the project "Unix Name"? |
| 09:40.47 | zeq_laptop | i see "Cannot match the unix name of any other project", so I thought I'd check :) |
| 09:40.48 | Lava_Croft | zeq_laptop: isnt 'fennec' what they use for firefox mobile |
| 09:41.19 | zeq_laptop | yes, we're porting Fennec/Qt to fremantle |
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| 09:42.33 | zeq_laptop | it's the version used on Harm/MeeGo, but currently lacks h-d support etc |
| 09:42.40 | zeq_laptop | see backscroll |
| 09:42.55 | Lava_Croft | yes, i was kind affirming your idea |
| 09:43.18 | teotwaki | Lava_Croft: /nick Lava_Cruft would be funny :) |
| 09:43.31 | Lava_Croft | but that would ruin the nice story attached to this nickname! |
| 09:43.36 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: it is fennec after all, if someone complains I think we can change the name |
| 09:43.38 | Lava_Croft | a story of puberty, potsmoking and quakeworld |
| 09:43.39 | zeq_laptop | I just wanted to check using "fennec" on Garage was okay |
| 09:43.58 | freemangordon | i think it is |
| 09:44.13 | freemangordon | who cares after all, mozilla? |
| 09:44.22 | zeq_laptop | okay, submitted |
| 09:44.27 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 09:44.33 | Lava_Croft | mozilla is a tainted brand for a browser anyway, makes me think of slow, fat browsers |
| 09:45.00 | freemangordon | ok, almost there, rotation is 80% functional :D |
| 09:45.19 | zeq_laptop | 80%? Off by a few degrees? ;) |
| 09:47.15 | freemangordon | nah, the resize still not working ok |
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| 09:57.35 | zeq_laptop | how long does garage registation usually take? |
| 09:58.47 | freemangordon | less than 24 hours |
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| 10:03.47 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: I'm going to give that linaro toolchain build a go, any tips? |
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| 10:05.44 | freemangordon | hmm, not any I can think of. lets face a real problem, maybe then i will remember something |
| 10:06.05 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: you will try to build it inside SB? |
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| 10:07.49 | vi_ | If rotation is now 80% functional does that mean it now rotates to within 18 degrees of useable? |
| 10:08.42 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: tbh I don't know where to begin... do I just build a cross-toolchain? |
| 10:09.00 | zeq_laptop | gcc -v output on the gcc-4.6 we're using: |
| 10:09.01 | zeq_laptop | Configured with: /home/jhakala/cs2007q3-sb7/arm/src/gcc-4.2/configure --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu --host=i686-pc-linux-gnu --target=arm-none-linux-gnueabi --enable-threads --disable-libmudflap --disable-libssp --disable-libgomp --disable-libstdcxx-pch --with-gnu-as --with-gnu-ld --enable-languages=c,c++ --enable-shared --enable-symvers=gnu --enable-__cxa_atexit --disable-nls --prefix=/opt/maemo --with-sysroot=/opt/maemo/a |
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| 10:10.22 | zeq_laptop | I've quite a bit of experience build cross-compilers so that doesn't worry me in itself |
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| 10:12.54 | zeq_laptop | I'm using Gentoo so I could just use crossdev setup a cross-toolchain first |
| 10:13.24 | zeq_laptop | but I suspect I won't be able to just drop that into scratchbox |
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| 10:16.15 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: I get those from gcc 4.2.1 in SB, I suspect you should use the same |
| 10:17.11 | freemangordon | vi_: exactly :) |
| 10:18.07 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: you are sure this is the output from gcc 4.6.2? |
| 10:18.41 | zeq_laptop | yes, that's from the toolchain you suggested I download |
| 10:18.49 | zeq_laptop | and I've been using since |
| 10:18.49 | freemangordon | this is what i have: |
| 10:18.53 | freemangordon | Configured with: ../gcc-4.6.2/configure --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu --host=i686-pc-linux-gnu --target=arm-none-linux-gnueabi --enable-threads --disable-libmudflap --disable-libssp --disable-libgomp --disable-libstdcxx-pch --with-gnu-as --with-gnu-ld --enable-languages=c,c++ --enable-shared --enable-symvers=gnu --enable-__cxa_atexit --disable-nls --prefix=/home/maemo/gcc/gcc-thumb/sb --with-build |
| 10:18.53 | freemangordon | -sysroot=/home/maemo/gcc/gcc-thumb/arm/install/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/libc --with-build-time-tools=/home/maemo/gcc/gcc-thumb/arm/install/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin --with-sysroot=/ |
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| 10:19.08 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: check your current target |
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| 10:19.37 | zeq_laptop | feels embarrased |
| 10:19.55 | freemangordon | :) |
| 10:20.29 | zeq_laptop | yes, that's what I have :) |
| 10:21.05 | zeq_laptop | I used /scratchbox/compilers/.../gcc -v from outside scratchbox |
| 10:21.10 | freemangordon | wonders what "that" is |
| 10:21.43 | zeq_laptop | when I run gcc -v from within scratchbox I get the same output as you do :) |
| 10:21.49 | freemangordon | aah, ok |
| 10:21.52 | freemangordon | nice :) |
| 10:22.42 | freemangordon | btw is that debianized? |
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| 10:23.11 | zeq_laptop | so I should build from within scratchbox? |
| 10:23.29 | freemangordon | I don't think you'll be able |
| 10:23.39 | zeq_laptop | I didn't think I would |
| 10:23.39 | freemangordon | I built it from outside |
| 10:23.54 | freemangordon | :nod: |
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| 10:24.11 | zeq_laptop | I'm on x86_64, I probably should make it for i686 ... |
| 10:24.20 | zeq_laptop | canadian cross |
| 10:24.24 | zeq_laptop | hmm |
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| 10:28.44 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: yeah |
| 10:29.11 | freemangordon | don't do it 64bit, won't work in wmware images AFAIK |
| 10:29.32 | teotwaki | 64-bit doesn't work in vmware? |
| 10:30.15 | freemangordon | teotwaki: vmware SB images prepared by Nokia are 32bit |
| 10:30.23 | teotwaki | ah |
| 10:32.20 | LaoLang_cool | I installed gcc-4.6 and want to compile the simplest hello.c, but gcc says there isn't stdio.h |
| 10:32.23 | LaoLang_cool | how to solve it? |
| 10:33.03 | zeq_laptop | LaoLang_cool: how did you install gcc-4.6 |
| 10:33.06 | zeq_laptop | ? |
| 10:34.05 | SpeedEvil | main(){puts("hello world");} |
| 10:34.20 | freemangordon | some TMO member(Aapo?) uploaded it in extras-devel |
| 10:34.29 | LaoLang_cool | zeq_laptop, apt-get install gcc-4.6 |
| 10:34.35 | freemangordon | but it is 4.6.1 AFAIK |
| 10:36.05 | LaoLang_cool | SpeedEvil, gcc-4.6: error trying to exec 'as': execvp: No such file or directory |
| 10:36.19 | freemangordon | LaoLang_cool: binutils? |
| 10:36.49 | SpeedEvil | Copy the entire root filesystem to a subdirectory. |
| 10:36.54 | SpeedEvil | (one not on the rootfs) |
| 10:37.18 | SpeedEvil | chroot into that, install the 'tools' repo, and do apt-get build-essentials |
| 10:37.24 | SpeedEvil | that way you don't fill up your / |
| 10:37.31 | LaoLang_cool | If I use tcc to compile, it says: tcc: file '/usr/lib/crtl.o' not found |
| 10:37.38 | LaoLang_cool | underfined symbol 'puts' |
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| 10:46.17 | LaoLang_cool | freemangordon, will install it |
| 10:46.35 | LaoLang_cool | How to keep a pkg from apt-get upgrade? |
| 10:48.58 | LaoLang_cool | freemangordon, now it says: /usr/bin/ld: this linker was not configured to use sysroots |
| 10:49.06 | LaoLang_cool | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 10:49.29 | LaoLang_cool | tcc still outputs the same error |
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| 10:53.21 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: http://fennec.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 10:54.52 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: what's your username on garage? |
| 10:55.35 | zeq_laptop | I'll add you as admin |
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| 11:09.26 | zeq_laptop | toolchain build is underway, fingers crossed |
| 11:09.58 | zeq_laptop | wanders off |
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| 11:50.12 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: freemangordon :D |
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| 12:06.32 | vi_ | who could have guessed a community awards competition could foster so much butthurt and rage? |
| 12:07.07 | freemangordon | vi_: well, I see only 2 trolling there (3 if you count me :P ) |
| 12:07.45 | freemangordon | the others look like they are ok with what was decided |
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| 12:11.00 | vi_ | Or kojacker. |
| 12:11.07 | vi_ | He is normally a cool guy. |
| 12:11.39 | vi_ | However I don't take being antagonised easily. |
| 12:13.50 | vi_ | I wish there was a word in the English language for describing the manner that a person takes when on the surface they would appear to be acting overtly kind however with a little analysis their words can be seen to be an antagonistic wall of fuck. |
| 12:14.54 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: done :) |
| 12:16.16 | freemangordon | vi_: if you want to make him (and trolls) mad, just post a reference to qgil's statement that those devices will be owned by us, along with all taxes will be paid by Nokia. :D:D:D |
| 12:16.21 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: thanks |
| 12:16.32 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: I'll pull in mozilla-central with git-hg and push it to garage, or would it be too big? |
| 12:16.58 | MrPingu | Really that CA thread is crazy! |
| 12:17.00 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: NFC, but there should be plenty of space on garage |
| 12:17.27 | freemangordon | MrPingu: it is not the thread by itself ;) |
| 12:17.53 | zeq_laptop | I'd like to do it that way if we can get away with it... |
| 12:18.16 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: would you rephrase, i missed the point |
| 12:19.36 | zeq_laptop | I'm thinking about "cloning" mozilla from mercurial then creating a git branch with out changes |
| 12:19.44 | zeq_laptop | s/out/our/ |
| 12:20.08 | zeq_laptop | ^ ? |
| 12:20.18 | freemangordon | seems reasonable |
| 12:21.00 | zeq_laptop | my regex went a bit wrong there :P |
| 12:22.37 | ivgalvez | to me, only two people argueing sounds a success (at least on TMO) |
| 12:22.58 | freemangordon | yeah, similar to my statement from several weeks ago "damn, this is simple, just some 500 lies of code" :D:D:D |
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| 12:24.21 | MrPingu | vi_, do idea #1 :D |
| 12:25.04 | vi_ | MrPingu: heh. |
| 12:25.19 | ivgalvez | idea #2 could be fun, but you should upload a video for confirmation |
| 12:25.45 | vi_ | "blow the money on being blown by..." |
| 12:25.54 | teotwaki | vi_: sarcastic hypocrite |
| 12:26.33 | freemangordon | damn fennec build finallt ended, lets see the result |
| 12:26.41 | vi_ | teotwaki: are you calling me this or suggesting it as the word(s) I was looking for? |
| 12:26.56 | teotwaki | vi_: That's for me to know and for you find out. |
| 12:27.19 | teotwaki | Actually, closer to the second option :) |
| 12:27.26 | vi_ | phew. |
| 12:27.31 | chem|st | Woody14619: never ever respond to abill pls |
| 12:27.51 | vi_ | chem|st: why you have not banned that guy yet? |
| 12:27.59 | ivgalvez | who wants to respond to abill |
| 12:28.15 | teotwaki | vi_: because, he's been banned a number of times |
| 12:28.21 | freemangordon | chem|st: aah, all of the fun n TMO will be gone then |
| 12:28.23 | teotwaki | We even banned him back in the day I was a forum mod |
| 12:28.28 | vi_ | ivgalvez: everytime I do I get a nice mail from reggie. |
| 12:29.49 | teotwaki | chem|st: hack the forum source code, if (/quote.*abill/gi) $_errors = "<p>Please refrain from answering to Abill</p"; |
| 12:30.01 | teotwaki | s/answering/replying/ |
| 12:31.27 | freemangordon | teotwaki: LOL |
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| 12:44.51 | chem|st | Woody14619: and you should stop defending something you did not agree with in the firstplace o.O |
| 12:45.49 | chem|st | vi_: 1st warning then banning, for some reason he just popped up again... |
| 12:54.32 | vi_ | chem|st: Just permaban his troll ass. |
| 12:54.45 | chem|st | teotwaki: nice idea but I wont |
| 12:55.05 | vi_ | He is currently demanding that the council is diisolved and re-elected after the CA 'scandal'. |
| 12:55.16 | teotwaki | scandal? |
| 12:55.34 | vi_ | teotwaki: You do not read TMO do you? |
| 12:55.37 | teotwaki | nope |
| 12:55.47 | vi_ | There is a thread about the CA. |
| 12:55.56 | vi_ | There is a lot of raeg and butthurt. |
| 12:56.05 | teotwaki | vi_: I left the mod team because I didn't have time, you think if I had the time to read I didn't have the time to moderate? |
| 12:56.10 | teotwaki | how come? |
| 12:56.17 | teotwaki | Because some losers didn't get their sparky device? |
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| 12:56.40 | vi_ | Because most of the maemo council won a device in the CA. |
| 12:56.54 | teotwaki | Oh really? That's cute. |
| 12:57.16 | zeq_laptop | is there anything special I need to do to git over ssh working on garage? |
| 12:57.47 | teotwaki | I would've only applied if GeneralAntilles, MohammadAG and Jaffa were on the council, that way I would've been sure not to get one. |
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| 12:58.00 | teotwaki | vi_: cute, yet predictable... |
| 12:58.25 | vi_ | The first thing the ministers of the scottish parliment voted on was... |
| 12:58.30 | vi_ | ...a pay rise. |
| 12:59.15 | vi_ | Although it does seem unfair if the council members could not enter for a CA. |
| 12:59.16 | teotwaki | The first thing Sarkozy did was cheat on his wife, knowing that as the president, nobody could sue him. |
| 12:59.23 | teotwaki | (and divorce is included in "sue") |
| 12:59.34 | vi_ | teotwaki: is she the hot one? |
| 12:59.45 | teotwaki | no, that's the one he cheated with. |
| 12:59.59 | vi_ | classy guy. |
| 13:00.00 | teotwaki | Can't blame him though, 10 years, datass. |
| 13:00.10 | teotwaki | s/years/years ago/ |
| 13:00.46 | MohammadAG | yay, segfault |
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| 13:01.04 | teotwaki | who wouldn't... http://api.ning.com/files/YXIOUqPIP00BY2A51PuFqhSy8-mvG0rjtZWqXrBKENzIHr*2LXLn65qYf4S8OKA5Ykx2vXkY6NzKWh8pSb-m3Jiy72cCPY5O/CarlaBruni4.jpg |
| 13:01.19 | Neutron__ | when you transfer files or tether your N900s over bluetooth, what kind of speeds do you usually get? |
| 13:01.25 | teotwaki | MohammadAG: it's on line 421 |
| 13:01.35 | teotwaki | Neutron__: 120KB/s |
| 13:01.40 | MohammadAG | yeah, even her hair's wet |
| 13:02.01 | Neutron__ | and your computer has a bluetooth 2.1 EDR dongle? |
| 13:02.07 | Neutron__ | (or built in, whatever) |
| 13:02.20 | MohammadAG | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 13:02.20 | MohammadAG | 0x440d8390 in MWidgetController::model() const () |
| 13:02.21 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.22 | MohammadAG | :/ |
| 13:02.38 | jonwil | bah, I am still no closer to figuring out what to do about my broken N900 :( |
| 13:03.20 | vi_ | jonwil: WHAT IS WRONG WITH IT? |
| 13:03.25 | vi_ | oops, caps. |
| 13:04.05 | teotwaki | Neutron__: in any case, the 2.1 max speed is 260KB/s, isn't it? |
| 13:04.31 | Neutron__ | it is said to be 3Mbit, which is 384KB/s |
| 13:04.32 | jonwil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1225158#post1225158 |
| 13:04.41 | teotwaki | has kicked vi_ ("CAPS") |
| 13:04.47 | Neutron__ | while 2.0 is 2.1Mbit, about 260KB/s |
| 13:04.47 | jonwil | Thats my post where I explain whats wrong |
| 13:05.15 | teotwaki | Neutron__: actually, I think both have a theoretical limit of 3MBit, but both only achieve 2 Mbits tops. |
| 13:05.18 | zeq_laptop | I've entered my ssh public key (id_rsa.pub) onto my garage account, but cloning the repo fails with "Permission denied (publickey)"...??? |
| 13:05.32 | teotwaki | zeq: what happens if you just SSH into it? |
| 13:05.35 | Neutron__ | well, I get around 50-60KB/s when tethering with a ~5 year old laptop.. I can't find any way to figure out which version of bluetooth that laptop has |
| 13:05.40 | teotwaki | zeq: ssh -vvv user@host |
| 13:07.24 | MohammadAG | oh f me, I didn't init the pointer :/ |
| 13:08.12 | jonwil | so can anyone suggest what I should do about my phone? |
| 13:08.28 | jonwil | I dont want to take it to Nokia Care who may not have the bits and even if they do will probably need to send it away for repairs |
| 13:09.09 | jonwil | I have seen a site that is selling the parts I need and cheap too |
| 13:09.59 | chem|st | ~seen ivgalvez |
| 13:10.08 | infobot | ivgalvez <~ivgalvez@89.140.113.138.static.user.ono.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 42m 9s ago, saying: 'who wants to respond to abill'. |
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| 13:10.21 | jonwil | but I have no way to know if these parts are legit or not |
| 13:10.25 | teotwaki | ~ping |
| 13:10.25 | infobot | ~pong |
| 13:10.36 | zeq_laptop | teotwaki: I get lots of debug output, not sure what exactly I'm looking for |
| 13:10.58 | teotwaki | zeq_laptop: basically, check for the part where it talks about public key auth, and see if your key is being used at all |
| 13:11.41 | zeq_laptop | it seems to be |
| 13:11.57 | teotwaki | So it's the server refusing your key? |
| 13:12.23 | zeq_laptop | shall I upload the output to pastebin? |
| 13:12.27 | teotwaki | sure |
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| 13:14.19 | zeq_laptop | teotwaki: http://pastebin.com/UzJvB03R |
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| 13:17.25 | teotwaki | no diea |
| 13:17.26 | teotwaki | idea |
| 13:17.29 | teotwaki | everything looks legit |
| 13:17.48 | jonwil | Looks like I should avoid the crappy repair places in the major shopping centers and hit up some PROPER repair shops :) |
| 13:17.52 | zeq_laptop | maybe I entered the key incorrectly on garage? |
| 13:18.29 | zeq_laptop | I used "xclip -sel clip < ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub", then pasted into the textbox |
| 13:20.28 | chem|st | Woody14619: would you mind to talk to quim again and ask him if he got 5 n950 loaners for the council so we can close that? |
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| 13:21.02 | teotwaki | Isn't that going to eat out of the Qt-assigned ones? |
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| 13:21.36 | chem|st | no additional council-only loaners which need be given to next council |
| 13:22.28 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: I remember some note when you're clonning from the garage that you should yse SSL_NO_VERIFY or something |
| 13:22.50 | chem|st | grabs popcorn |
| 13:24.12 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: If you experience problems with 'git clone' or 'git push' please try first to set the GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY environment variable to 1 (e.g. type export GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=1 in a terminal on Linux using bash). |
| 13:25.32 | zeq_laptop | ok freemangordon, I'll try it |
| 13:25.48 | zeq_laptop | nope |
| 13:26.05 | zeq_laptop | that doesn't apply to ssh afaik |
| 13:26.17 | freemangordon | there is also a note: Git access via SSH is under development. :D |
| 13:26.32 | zeq_laptop | I just read it takes 15 mins to update |
| 13:26.41 | freemangordon | aah, ok |
| 13:26.44 | zeq_laptop | maybe that's it |
| 13:26.45 | zeq_laptop | :) |
| 13:26.58 | zeq_laptop | under development for two years ;) |
| 13:27.17 | freemangordon | well, thats a complicated stuff, takes time :P |
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| 13:55.59 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: i've just uploaded my rublic key in garage, have no problem with ssh git clone |
| 13:56.05 | freemangordon | *public |
| 13:56.23 | freemangordon | unfortunately fennec repo is empty :D |
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| 14:01.10 | vi__ | jonwil: ping |
| 14:03.42 | jonwil | pong |
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| 14:04.39 | freemangordon | jonwil: while you're here - you are aware your applet is now a part of CSSU-T? |
| 14:04.48 | jonwil | nice one |
| 14:04.50 | freemangordon | *are you |
| 14:05.01 | jonwil | no I wasnt aware of it but that's cool |
| 14:05.19 | jonwil | cool that its now in an "official" CSSU release :) |
| 14:05.30 | freemangordon | yeah, but we need you |
| 14:05.42 | freemangordon | as it caused a lot of talk @ TMO |
| 14:05.52 | jonwil | get me a link to whatever this talk is |
| 14:06.08 | freemangordon | lets switch to #maemo-ssu |
| 14:06.29 | jonwil | ok |
| 14:08.28 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: I must be doing something wrong then :( |
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| 14:10.41 | Viltzu | Is there easy way to install gcc-4.4 or newer to maemo? :) |
| 14:10.53 | Viltzu | hmm to scratchbox I mean. |
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| 14:12.16 | vi__ | jonwil: The metal bezel around the screen is an absolute bitch to replace. |
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| 14:12.46 | vi__ | If they get bent they never sit on right again. |
| 14:13.04 | vi__ | Thus, getting one that is not bent is neigh near impossibru. |
| 14:13.58 | vi__ | Depending on what country you live in, you MAY be able to convince your local Nokia service centre to get the parts in for the repair but just let you do it. |
| 14:14.10 | vi__ | They say they are not allowed but you may be able to convince them. |
| 14:14.25 | jonwil | vi__, I found a few sites that have the needed parts for sale |
| 14:14.31 | jonwil | few online sites |
| 14:14.50 | jonwil | I also intend to visit some proper phone repair places (not the shitty ones in the shopping centers) tommorow to see what they have to say |
| 14:15.03 | vi__ | In my experiance getting parts online can lead to receiving shitty knockoffs. |
| 14:15.51 | jonwil | well I intend to visit or call these places and see what they can do |
| 14:16.05 | vi__ | Fortunatley I have a local Nokia care centre that I have kind of built up a rapport with. |
| 14:16.20 | jonwil | see whether any of em say they can fix it and if so what it would cost |
| 14:16.30 | vi__ | jonwil: DANGER! |
| 14:16.38 | jonwil | danger what? |
| 14:16.53 | freemangordon | to get an N8 as a replacement ;) |
| 14:17.04 | vi__ | I would'nt let any of those hamfisted chimps near my precious n900 unless you want either: |
| 14:17.17 | vi__ | 1.stripped screws and knockoff parts |
| 14:17.21 | vi__ | 2. an N8. |
| 14:17.55 | jonwil | well one of the shops I will be calling did a keypad replacement on my previous phone (a Motorola Z6) and did a damn good job of it |
| 14:18.10 | vi__ | jonwil: fair enough. |
| 14:18.47 | jonwil | Some of em do warranty repairs for various brands (not Nokia) so presumably they must be good |
| 14:19.07 | jonwil | or else they wouldn't be trusted by makers like Motorola to do warranty repairs |
| 14:19.21 | jonwil | but yeah I wouldn't use anyone that looked dodgy |
| 14:21.12 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: she it matter if my username differs between my local user and garage? I have .ssh/config setup as described. |
| 14:24.03 | Viltzu | vi__, they don't give N8s anymore |
| 14:24.19 | Viltzu | vi__, atleast two of my friends when they sent N900 to repair they got back E7. |
| 14:24.59 | jonwil | I doubt Nokia would give me an N8 or an E7 or any other phone if I sent my phone in for a non-warranty repair of a N900 with a busted front bezel |
| 14:25.28 | Viltzu | well that might be true :P |
| 14:26.00 | vi__ | I got my local nokia store to get me a new kboard for my n900. |
| 14:26.22 | vi__ | I went to pick it up and they were like, just give us the phone and we will fit it. |
| 14:27.09 | vi__ | I take one look at the 'engineer' wearing fully sythetic clothes, sitting at there 'ESD zone' bench without a wriststrap and was like. |
| 14:27.17 | vi__ | 'nah, I will do it my self' |
| 14:27.35 | vi__ | We then had a short discussion about how it was against policy. |
| 14:28.04 | vi__ | Now they get some parts for me+charge labour time but let me have the bits. |
| 14:28.39 | vi__ | It is kinda bull, however at least I know I am getting decent quality parts unlike that piece of shit N900 kboard you can get on ebay. |
| 14:29.19 | vi__ | Viltzu: that is good. E7 can be sold for more money! |
| 14:30.09 | Viltzu | vi__, I know. I actually sent my N900 to repair. I had in my mind that I would sell the E7 and buy used N900 again and keep the extra money. |
| 14:30.20 | Viltzu | :> |
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| 14:30.58 | Viltzu | But, I got my N900 back. ;u |
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| 14:32.24 | jonwil | I know from the Nokia service manual exactly which parts need replacement so if someone tries to tell me "the whole screen assembly has to be replaced", I will know they are probably BSing me |
| 14:32.54 | Macer | jonwil: yeah. that is what sucks about repair places |
| 14:33.00 | Macer | they are big bullshitters so they can make a few extra bucks |
| 14:33.05 | Macer | but i suppose that is everybody huh? |
| 14:33.35 | Macer | you don't pay for the work.. you pay for the knowledge.. since most people are ignorant as to the ease of repair.... they just pay |
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| 14:38.07 | jonwil | in my case I know exactly what parts are needed and what work needs doing, what I am paying for is someone who can get quality parts and who has the specialist tools and skills to open up the phone and repair it without damaging it |
| 14:38.13 | jonwil | damaging it further that is |
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| 14:42.07 | vi__ | HOLY. |
| 14:42.10 | vi__ | SHIT. |
| 14:42.14 | vi__ | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-N950-dev-phone-/280896512893?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item4166bca37d#ht_500wt_943 |
| 14:42.26 | vi__ | There is a compelling reason to sell your new N950. |
| 14:43.27 | vi__ | £920 |
| 14:44.49 | Hurrian | whoa, these things go fast |
| 14:45.06 | vi__ | Sell 5 N950s |
| 14:45.18 | vi__ | Enough funding for internettablettalk for the next 5 years. |
| 14:47.56 | MohammadAG | it's kind of a dick move tbh |
| 14:48.05 | MohammadAG | you don't want it you send it to some other dev, not ebay |
| 14:48.26 | Hurrian | MohammadAG, it is a dick move, but it sure as hell is easy money |
| 14:48.27 | MohammadAG | he's a nokia employee though |
| 14:48.46 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, I kinda need money but I'm not selling any of the DDPs I have |
| 14:48.52 | Macer | a disgruntled nokia employee heh |
| 14:49.11 | Macer | MohammadAG: tbh he probably wants to ebay them to show people how awesome the n950 was |
| 14:49.27 | Hurrian | Macer, I heard it's not that cool as a phone |
| 14:49.28 | Macer | keeping it within the dev circle doesn't show the general population what nokia screwed them out of ;) |
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| 14:49.45 | Macer | Hurrian: a phone is just for talking ;) |
| 14:49.48 | MohammadAG | The N9 is kinda sexier :P |
| 14:50.00 | Macer | i'm sure it does well as a computer in a pocket tho |
| 14:50.02 | Macer | it has xterm |
| 14:50.09 | Macer | that makes it superior |
| 14:50.30 | Hurrian | meh, I'll probably just grab a BT keyboard when my N9 arrives |
| 14:50.32 | Macer | i mean really.. as a PHONE.. what does it need? the ability to talk and txt and mms i suppose |
| 14:50.50 | MohammadAG | or just get an iPhone |
| 14:51.07 | Macer | MohammadAG: i did.. it's called a lumia 900 heh |
| 14:51.15 | Macer | the microsoft iphone |
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| 14:51.25 | MohammadAG | the iPhone is more capable than the Lumia |
| 14:51.26 | Macer | i use my n900 every now and then |
| 14:51.32 | MohammadAG | plus it's kinda... supported |
| 14:51.39 | Macer | MohammadAG: yeah.. it probably does cool things like... properly use wifi |
| 14:51.42 | Macer | :) |
| 14:51.51 | MohammadAG | no, it just doesn't suck :P |
| 14:52.02 | MohammadAG | Lumias are the new 3310 |
| 14:52.05 | Macer | nokia wants me to send my phone in because their software is only using the att dns when it swaps back to wifi |
| 14:52.11 | Macer | so now i have to rma the phone |
| 14:52.14 | Macer | just to get a new one back |
| 14:52.17 | Macer | that has the same problem |
| 14:52.17 | MohammadAG | seriously, dump the Lumia and get an iPhone |
| 14:52.23 | Macer | it's probably some lame C# script |
| 14:52.28 | MohammadAG | I for one stayed with Nokia not because they're Nokia |
| 14:52.32 | Macer | that doesn't refresh the dns |
| 14:52.44 | MohammadAG | the moment they announced the Lumia I started considering other things |
| 14:52.50 | Macer | plus there is no way to manually set wifi settings |
| 14:52.51 | MohammadAG | that's why I have an iPhone |
| 14:52.54 | Macer | you HAVE to use dhcp |
| 14:53.06 | Macer | heh |
| 14:53.08 | MohammadAG | I haven't left Harmattan cause I like it, not because it's Nokia |
| 14:53.09 | Macer | i wouldn't mind an e7 still |
| 14:53.12 | Hurrian | Macer, aside from the UI, WP7 blows |
| 14:53.21 | MohammadAG | +1, Metro's about the only good thing |
| 14:53.25 | Macer | Hurrian: what else is there on a wp phone? ;) |
| 14:53.32 | Hurrian | heh |
| 14:53.42 | Macer | honestly other than the wifi issue.. it works great |
| 14:53.45 | MohammadAG | I even paid the 99$/yr for Apple's dev program |
| 14:53.48 | Macer | i have an ssh client and a gtalk client .. i'm done ;) |
| 14:53.51 | MohammadAG | wonder how good the app store sells |
| 14:54.07 | Hurrian | MohammadAG, put up a semi-decent app for $1.99 |
| 14:54.09 | Viltzu | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian squeeze main |
| 14:54.11 | Viltzu | apt-get update |
| 14:54.12 | Macer | MohammadAG: well they had a good showing as far as sales |
| 14:54.17 | Hurrian | your dev sub will fund itself |
| 14:54.18 | Macer | even more so that they are selling them for $50 :-P |
| 14:54.29 | Viltzu | The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened |
| 14:54.30 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, I already have a semi decent app |
| 14:54.32 | Macer | mine was pretty much free |
| 14:54.39 | MohammadAG | not sure it's useful for everyone, it's useful for me at least |
| 14:54.39 | Macer | they actually... PAID ME to buy it haha |
| 14:54.40 | Viltzu | in Scratchbox |
| 14:54.41 | Viltzu | Why? |
| 14:54.55 | Hurrian | Viltzu, fakeroot apt-get update |
| 14:54.59 | Macer | you got $100 off your first bill.. .and $100 in free accessories |
| 14:55.01 | Viltzu | I'm root. |
| 14:55.08 | Macer | and the phone was $100 :) |
| 14:55.09 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, http://i39.tinypic.com/n3w50k.jpg |
| 14:55.12 | Macer | wtf? |
| 14:55.13 | Hurrian | oh wait, why are you using squeeze repos? |
| 14:55.23 | Macer | att must be paying an arm and leg to sell these. they want their next iphone |
| 14:55.26 | Viltzu | There is packages what I need :) |
| 14:55.33 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, http://i39.tinypic.com/wa599g.jpg |
| 14:55.37 | Viltzu | And I'm pretty sure that repo worked in N900 |
| 14:55.44 | Viltzu | but not working in scratchbox... |
| 14:55.46 | MohammadAG | It shows facebook checkin locations on a map |
| 14:55.57 | MohammadAG | for stuff that isn't on a map, it's useful |
| 14:56.07 | MohammadAG | or just use it to stalk people who checkin at their homes |
| 14:56.16 | Viltzu | Hurrian, to be more specific, I need gcc 4.4 or newer. |
| 14:56.33 | Hurrian | MohammadAG, that's nice - the facebook app for mobile is only semi-done |
| 14:56.35 | MohammadAG | I was planning foursquare too, but I got bored with using VM |
| 14:56.52 | MohammadAG | and a Mac is 15000 NIS |
| 14:57.05 | MohammadAG | about $4000 |
| 14:57.14 | Viltzu | Oh wait hmm... |
| 14:57.19 | Hurrian | MohammadAG, hackintosh does wonders |
| 14:57.26 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, I only have 500GBs |
| 14:57.40 | Hurrian | it boots fine from a 16GB USB stick |
| 14:57.51 | Hurrian | install macfuse/tuxera-ntfs and you're set |
| 14:57.58 | MohammadAG | I cba to use sticks |
| 14:58.28 | MohammadAG | thinking of getting a 1TB drive |
| 14:58.30 | Hurrian | meh, it's how I ran it until I got off my ass and repartitioned my drives to GPT |
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| 14:58.42 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, http://i49.tinypic.com/35mqnfn.jpg |
| 14:58.46 | MohammadAG | GPwhat? |
| 14:58.51 | beford | with a bootloader like chameleon no GPT is needed afaik |
| 14:59.06 | MohammadAG | afaik you just need a GUID (?) partition table |
| 14:59.11 | MohammadAG | which seems to be the norm now |
| 14:59.33 | MohammadAG | or not, msdos partition table |
| 14:59.43 | Hurrian | interesting, i'll go clone ML to a USB HDD later. |
| 15:00.42 | Hurrian | MohammadAG, dealing with OS X in a VM is a PITA |
| 15:00.58 | Hurrian | software transitions are terrible |
| 15:02.34 | MohammadAG | I usually don't condone piracy but Macs are an exception |
| 15:02.43 | MohammadAG | there seems to be a modified copy that allows MBR installations |
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| 15:03.29 | beford | win a mac on a contest, problem solved |
| 15:04.44 | Hurrian | MohammadAG, it's simply an OSInstall.mpkg patch |
| 15:05.00 | Hurrian | also, not installing from vanilla source is looked down upon |
| 15:05.23 | Hurrian | anyways, I have a whole drive for OS X, so I just let it do it's GPT thing. |
| 15:05.38 | MohammadAG | <Hurrian> also, not installing from vanilla source is looked down upon |
| 15:05.40 | MohammadAG | from who? |
| 15:05.53 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, I'm at uni, so I can only use a laptop |
| 15:05.58 | MohammadAG | otherwise I would've bought a mac mini |
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| 15:07.02 | Hurrian | MohammadAG, it's a thing in the hackintosh community that installing from untouched ISO is preferred |
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| 15:27.33 | teotwaki | What's you guys' take on the EUFI secure boot thingie? |
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| 15:58.34 | hiemanshu | teotwaki: Fedora found a way to get the OS working with secure boot, other distro should too |
| 15:58.48 | teotwaki | their way was to buy the right from Microsoft |
| 15:58.51 | teotwaki | not really "a way" |
| 16:03.37 | zeq_laptop | just finished an emergency remote server rescue for a client, nice to get some paid work :) |
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| 16:05.13 | beford | secure boot can be disabled afaik |
| 16:05.38 | beford | if you are able to change boot order to install linux I suppose you can disable that |
| 16:07.14 | teotwaki | beford: you won't be able to disable it on ARM platforms |
| 16:07.46 | beford | oh right arm is locked, i was thinking about x86 |
| 16:09.26 | zeq_laptop | such a wonderful technology |
| 16:10.18 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: yeah, FOSS is a good think, unfortunately can't be eaten |
| 16:10.23 | freemangordon | *thing |
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| 16:11.48 | hiemanshu | teotwaki: nope, it was from verisign, microsoft gets no money from that, and well $99 isnt too much |
| 16:12.29 | teotwaki | hiemanshu: whether it's verisign or microsoft doesn't really matter now, does it? |
| 16:12.44 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: not actually sure how much to charge, it without any notice, needed the servers back up ASAP. |
| 16:13.10 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: you're a freelancer? |
| 16:13.11 | zeq_laptop | should have taken the time to negotiate rate first :P |
| 16:13.13 | zeq_laptop | yeah |
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| 16:13.41 | beford | not sure how microsoft gets away with that |
| 16:14.52 | Jaffa | Woody14619: Interesting log from last week's council meeting |
| 16:21.24 | GeneralAntilles | teotwaki, we'd have voted to mail you a bag of rusty nails instead. :P |
| 16:24.31 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: BTW, copied over the stub issue to edit.mwkn.net for any partial enrichment over the next few days. And thanks again for your efforts whilst I was away |
| 16:25.53 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, good, Sunday evenings just aren't a high-productivity time for me. |
| 16:26.05 | GeneralAntilles | And no problem. You deserve a vacation more than most. ;) |
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| 16:33.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | morning |
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| 16:37.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | wonders if ShadowJK already is swimming drowned in a lake, naked and intoxicated |
| 16:37.17 | ShadowJK | not quite |
| 16:38.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | so I'll try to do some of the duties on your behalf now ;-P |
| 16:39.12 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Feel free to copy it over yourself if you get bored during the week and have some time. No reason we should be rushing around at weekends ;-) |
| 16:39.36 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, did you get my email from last week? |
| 16:40.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | at least the alcohol elimination I'm going to try and help |
| 16:42.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: I gather no parcel service today? |
| 16:42.10 | freemangordon | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1225816&postcount=227 |
| 16:42.30 | freemangordon | What am I supposed to do with guys like that one ?!? |
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| 16:42.54 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: I think the garage ssh problem I'm having is with my ssh config. Just tried it on my server, it worked fine! |
| 16:43.09 | GeneralAntilles | freemangordon, mail him a notarized apology letter? |
| 16:43.10 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: yeah, same here |
| 16:43.23 | freemangordon | GeneralAntilles: hmm, good idea :D |
| 16:43.38 | GeneralAntilles | Although that might be construed as admitting guilt |
| 16:43.48 | GeneralAntilles | which would be undesirable if he sues you in small claims court. |
| 16:44.14 | ShadowJK | I havent checked, but I doubt there's even regular mail today |
| 16:45.36 | GeneralAntilles | Off to work. |
| 16:45.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: nand-erase, statically linked |
| 16:46.07 | freemangordon | hmm, you mean nolo? |
| 16:46.14 | freemangordon | and x-loader |
| 16:46.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | I mean erase mtd* |
| 16:46.46 | freemangordon | yeah, the same |
| 16:47.04 | freemangordon | I've done once by mistake here, cold-flashing fus a fun |
| 16:47.14 | freemangordon | *was |
| 16:47.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah |
| 16:47.29 | freemangordon | givven there are no instructions how to be done |
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| 16:48.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | then just tell him he needs to cool down N900 to <10K for coldflash to work |
| 16:48.26 | freemangordon | :D:D:D |
| 16:50.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | (no instructions) I thought somebody added a jacekowski quote to ~flqshing wiki? |
| 16:51.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~coldflash |
| 16:51.12 | infobot | somebody said coldflash was http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing |
| 16:51.20 | luke-jr | freemangordon: GeneralAntilles: kp50 breaks? |
| 16:51.41 | freemangordon | luke-jr: It does not have errata workaround |
| 16:51.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes, but only if cold and under severe pressure |
| 16:52.02 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 16:52.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | otherwise it just deforms elastically |
| 16:52.46 | freemangordon | LMAO |
| 16:55.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: pali: got a link for you, just need to dig it up again when at home |
| 16:55.57 | freemangordon | good, what is at the other end of the link? |
| 16:56.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | a kernel devfel's blog post |
| 16:57.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | with more nice links |
| 16:57.33 | freemangordon | good |
| 16:57.51 | freemangordon | you have thumb errata upstreaming in mind? |
| 16:57.56 | freemangordon | :P |
| 16:58.20 | freemangordon | s/errata/errata workaround/ |
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| 17:38.49 | MrPingu | freemangordon: That cow, is really a cow? How hard is it to read the first post? |
| 17:42.07 | Viltzu | Tell me how to get gcc-4.4 or newer in scratchbox :| |
| 17:42.55 | freemangordon | MrPingu: unfortunately, yes :( |
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| 17:46.42 | BCat2000 | hellos |
| 17:47.52 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: Viltzu: I'll write that scratchbox/thumb/gcc-4.6+ howto as soon as I've finished building linaro-gcc. |
| 17:48.02 | Viltzu | ok. ;u |
| 17:48.03 | Woody14619 | chem|st: While I agree, I'm not defending... I'm simply noting that the rules were followed. |
| 17:48.08 | Woody14619 | Jaffa: In what way? |
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| 17:49.50 | Woody14619 | chem|st: I'm confused by your last reply. 5 N950 loaners for what? |
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| 17:59.21 | Macer | haha |
| 17:59.34 | Macer | give me an n950 loaner! |
| 17:59.41 | Macer | does the n950 support the att freq for 4G? |
| 18:00.00 | Macer | *4G |
| 18:00.09 | Macer | * might not get 3G speeds |
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| 18:20.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: sure |
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| 18:29.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: you inow tschunk? |
| 18:29.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | know* |
| 18:30.00 | ShadowJK | nope |
| 18:31.45 | Sicelo | meh .. non-booting N900 here :( |
| 18:32.57 | Viltzu | asdf rootfs full again... |
| 18:33.02 | Viltzu | Sicelo, reflash? |
| 18:33.06 | Sicelo | lol |
| 18:33.15 | Sicelo | not so fast :D |
| 18:33.49 | Viltzu | :D |
| 18:33.58 | Sicelo | been wanting to do that since a while ago .. but i'm sure it will boot before i go that far |
| 18:35.10 | Viltzu | What to do when rootfs is full and not sure what to delete.. |
| 18:35.35 | Viltzu | /usr/lib takes 166M |
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| 18:44.26 | NIN101 | basically there ways to move "not-so-important" stuff to /home/ and symlink... |
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| 18:45.32 | NIN101 | Viltzu: http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space |
| 18:45.51 | Viltzu | Yes symlinking would be good. |
| 18:46.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~optification |
| 18:46.49 | infobot | optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" |
| 18:47.20 | NIN101 | how true. |
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| 18:49.50 | Sicelo | an, NIN101 is here :) |
| 18:50.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway it's probably a sane thing to do a df -h *before* and after installation of any suspicious crap |
| 18:50.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | and have a BM backup for easy + complete rollback |
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| 18:51.28 | Sicelo | i think mine has been possibly corrupted by the ungraceful shutdowns i have these days. loose battery :( |
| 18:51.57 | Lava_Croft | just bend the metal pins a bit |
| 18:52.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | now that you're already fsckd by 0% free on /, I guess a reflash is your best option |
| 18:52.11 | Lava_Croft | or use some paper or whatever to make sure the batttery dont come loose |
| 18:52.40 | NIN101 | or boot rescue os and nuke crap away. anyway, bbl. |
| 18:52.46 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer51: i don't know where Viltzu pulled that 05 free from |
| 18:53.51 | Sicelo | s/05/0%/ |
| 18:54.03 | Viltzu | wut? |
| 18:54.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | *I* pulled that from "not booting" and "usr/lib needs 188MB" |
| 18:54.22 | Sicelo | that's not my N900 |
| 18:54.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah |
| 18:57.04 | Sicelo | yeah. i believe my problem is related to unexpected shutdowns (due to battery). what i've now done is put some kitchen foil in the battery contacts to 'improve' conductivity |
| 18:57.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | WUT?? |
| 18:57.45 | Sicelo | :P |
| 18:58.08 | Sicelo | bending the pins doesn't seem to be helping me |
| 18:58.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | pins? |
| 18:58.30 | Sicelo | battery contacts |
| 18:58.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | you mean the spring brackets? |
| 18:58.41 | Sicelo | yeah |
| 18:58.48 | Sicelo | on battery, not n900 |
| 18:58.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | they should touch |
| 18:59.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | almost |
| 18:59.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | or actually |
| 18:59.26 | Sicelo | exactly ..mine don't .. they don't seem to be springy enough :? |
| 18:59.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe you broke them? |
| 19:00.12 | Sicelo | they still look fine. |
| 19:00.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | bnding both sides in with a pin seems to help, usually |
| 19:01.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | the two "balls" should almost touch |
| 19:01.34 | Sicelo | just one quick thing.. btw what's the file in which i can enable fbcon? |
| 19:01.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | you need to go behind the sring latch to bend it inwards |
| 19:02.13 | Sicelo | i'll try that DocScrutinizer51 |
| 19:02.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | devconfig? |
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| 19:03.28 | Sicelo | ah, got it. /sbin/preinit , it seems |
| 19:03.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | mhm |
| 19:03.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | thanks, didn't know |
| 19:05.45 | Sicelo | at least my debian still runs happily :P |
| 19:05.54 | Sicelo | if only... |
| 19:06.24 | Sicelo | with the future of our repos looking bleak, i wonder |
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| 19:08.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh, other devices never had any repo |
| 19:09.15 | Sicelo | looks like it's dsme that requests a shutdown of my n900 |
| 19:09.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | and we already got 25 dozen mirrors |
| 19:09.31 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer51: are those mirrors open to the public? |
| 19:09.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | usually |
| 19:10.13 | Sicelo | got the cause of my problem .. unknown battery something |
| 19:10.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | haha |
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| 19:10.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | your BSI contact borked |
| 19:11.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | or your BME got nausea for some reason |
| 19:11.21 | Sicelo | i'm checking bsi right now |
| 19:11.35 | Sicelo | those repos.. they will be public? |
| 19:11.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | you don't modprobe bq27k.ko for any reason? |
| 19:12.00 | Sicelo | nah, not bq27.. |
| 19:12.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | (repos) ask jacekowski, merlin1991 |
| 19:12.30 | Sicelo | i know for sure my Maemo is relatively sane atm. it's just my battery that's mad :D |
| 19:13.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | seems we're rapidly heading towards even more 'official' alternatives for repos |
| 19:13.25 | Sicelo | ah, that's a great development :) |
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| 19:14.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway, got me two Tschunk, now I'm fine. Anf off |
| 19:14.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | And* |
| 19:15.21 | Sicelo | cya |
| 19:15.22 | Sicelo | ;) |
| 19:17.42 | Sicelo | doesn't like the battery & contacts combo of N900 as similar ones. |
| 19:18.00 | Sicelo | the old types, eg BL-5C were so much better |
| 19:28.13 | Sicelo | lol, so we're already using itt 0.o |
| 19:28.15 | Sicelo | ~itt |
| 19:28.15 | infobot | [itt] the forums on internettablettalk.com ( http://internettablettalk.com/forums ) |
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| 19:41.35 | NIN101 | "Paul Sleggs (vi_) will receive N950. " joke? |
| 19:42.59 | hiemanshu | NIN101: where? |
| 19:43.09 | NIN101 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Awards#Winners |
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| 19:44.00 | Raimu | Why'd it be a joke? |
| 19:44.42 | NIN101 | well, I may be wrong, but the self-nomination itself read like a joke. Also I don't remember much technical contributions. |
| 19:46.58 | Sicelo | :P |
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| 19:49.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I couldn't care l4ess to comment on a Community Award that's so much community driven that even nominations are only allowed in form of self-nomination |
| 19:50.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's also totally obscure to me what's the expected "return of inverstment" of that CA |
| 19:52.31 | NIN101 | no offense, but I could basically name a few people who would deserve it more than some winners (and yes, they applied). But anyway, I know why I didn't even tried to get free aegis fun. Even if can be turned off now more or less (not folling the whole story anymore), I have principles :P. |
| 19:52.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 19:53.11 | Sicelo | principles \m/ |
| 19:53.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | esp when I take into account the incredibly poor adaption of HARM to N950 with hw kbd |
| 19:55.54 | Woody14619 | NIN01: You need to read what the CA was about. It was not about technical input, coding, or the like. Nor is there any expected "return" on any of it. It was about PAST accomplisments in building community. |
| 19:56.16 | Woody14619 | gets tired of people whining about "what are they promising" and "they're not coders". |
| 19:56.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | __\m/__\m/__\m/__ |
| 19:56.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ( ^^ barbwire) |
| 19:56.57 | Woody14619 | You want a coding awards, go to CC, QT5, or other coding competitions. |
| 19:57.04 | Woody14619 | Lol. :) Cute doc. :) |
| 19:57.13 | Woody14619 | Is that to keep me out, you in, or both? ;) |
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| 19:58.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's to secure my principles |
| 19:59.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | putting money into sth you don't expect *anything* from, seems ... absolutely fool action |
| 19:59.51 | NIN101 | Woody14619: Ok. But the way vi_ talks with people (esp. newbies) let's me think that he doesn't deserve one, to put it bluntly. |
| 19:59.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | even millionairs giving away their whole fortune do that as they hope to at least feel better afterwards |
| 20:00.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | this CA has *no* visible benefit, in my book |
| 20:01.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | except maybe for Nokia, to pollish their image a tiny itsy teeny bit |
| 20:01.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and to clean out their rubbish store |
| 20:01.23 | Woody14619 | Someone else said something similar.. about how giving bonuses at work for past work is also foolish. Do you agree on that? |
| 20:01.44 | Woody14619 | Frankly, it's the same thing... an award for past performance.... |
| 20:01.53 | Woody14619 | But companies do that all the time... |
| 20:02.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, I think that's a sane thing to increase moral in your employee crew, and to strengthen identification |
| 20:02.12 | Woody14619 | And it seems to work pretty well in some areas. |
| 20:02.22 | Woody14619 | And you don't see that working here in the same way? |
| 20:02.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | no way |
| 20:02.30 | vi__ | So you think I am a jerk? |
| 20:02.34 | vi__ | Thats ok. |
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| 20:03.14 | Woody14619 | That giving a "bonus" to those that promoted community will not inspire them to continue that work, maybe even in the new community their new device gives them access into now? |
| 20:03.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: don't try to be jerkish, that's my domain ;-P |
| 20:04.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: for now it doesn't seem like council at large sees GARM as any significant part of community at all |
| 20:04.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | HARM even |
| 20:04.06 | Woody14619 | I think it has a better chance than not... given the recipients (minus one or two, but then I was 100% on with my votes vs the final count. ;) |
| 20:04.26 | NIN101 | Woody14619: Can we see the rationals behind each decision? |
| 20:04.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 20:04.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101: I doubt council is fully aware of that |
| 20:04.55 | Woody14619 | doc: Do you think that will change, now that 4 of 5 council have a harmattan device? |
| 20:05.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly? no |
| 20:05.09 | Woody14619 | Nin101: Can I see you tax return? |
| 20:05.16 | NIN101 | aha. ok. cool. |
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| 20:05.58 | Woody14619 | Frankly, the process we uses was laid out in the mess of a thread on TMO... |
| 20:06.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: particularly since HARM is waaaay more a walking dead than maemo will ever be |
| 20:06.21 | Woody14619 | If you're interested in process, and lists, and what not, go read that. |
| 20:07.11 | Woody14619 | In some ways, that could be argued. But even the black sheep of the family is still family... |
| 20:07.30 | _|Nix|_ | Hey! I'm trying to get host mode working on my N810. I have a Nokia CA-157 cable and a USB stick. I tried to install usb-otg-plugin and place the device into host mode using it. However, when I plug the stick into the cable, nothing happens. |
| 20:07.36 | Sicelo | is also rather surprised that no return at all is expected from CA programme. Then again, it's done :P |
| 20:07.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: ...and luring devels away from maemo5 towards and into HARM already did incredible damage to maemo5 community |
| 20:08.02 | _|Nix|_ | Don't I need some kernel modules or something? Like, usb_storage or something? |
| 20:08.05 | Woody14619 | knows.... trust me... There are TMO threads full of me screaming about just that. |
| 20:08.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I'm basically fine with council ignoring HARM, and I don't see this changing anyway |
| 20:09.02 | _|Nix|_ | Also, I'm not convinced that usb-otg-plugin is doing its job, because /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode reads "UNDEFINED". |
| 20:09.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | _|Nix|_: try PC connectivity manager, or USB hostmode |
| 20:09.30 | Woody14619 | I'll note, on TMO I said as much.. That I was excited and sad to give N9 to top devels. Excited to see what becomes of it (and how it could unite the communities), and sad because we are losing some resources (even if they split time, it's still a loss over all) |
| 20:09.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | _|Nix|_: I don't think automatic switching to host mode works on N810 |
| 20:09.57 | _|Nix|_ | DocScrutinizer05: I'm trying to switch manually with usb-otg-plugin. |
| 20:10.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | never heard of that |
| 20:10.34 | Estel_ | who said we're going to sue harm there? |
| 20:10.42 | Estel_ | I'm going to put Mer as soon as I receive it |
| 20:10.53 | _|Nix|_ | DocScrutinizer05: OK ... I've heard of "hostmode" - where do I get it? |
| 20:10.55 | Estel_ | even considering that Mer adaptation for N9/50 isn't as good as for N900 ;) |
| 20:11.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | mompls |
| 20:11.08 | Estel_ | seriously though, harmattan is just another branch of Maemo Community |
| 20:11.10 | Estel_ | as BNF kernel was |
| 20:11.14 | Estel_ | or CSSU is |
| 20:11.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | snatches his N810 |
| 20:11.17 | Estel_ | or CSSU-thumb is |
| 20:11.26 | _|Nix|_ | DocScrutinizer05: Thanks for helping ... |
| 20:13.03 | Woody14619 | Estel_, Mer, Harmattan, reguardless and N9/N950 can't run Fremantle. Attention will be diverted. |
| 20:13.10 | vi__ | People are pretty upset that these 'dev kits' are being squandered on scum like me. |
| 20:13.28 | Estel_ | vi_, honestly, not very much |
| 20:13.28 | vi__ | Has no one realised the N9 is the ultimate N9 dev kit? |
| 20:13.32 | Estel_ | we've, literally, 4 jerks |
| 20:13.38 | Estel_ | screaming loudly |
| 20:13.40 | Estel_ | on TMO |
| 20:13.43 | Woody14619 | And is it me, or does using the abbriviation "harm" for harmattan seem more fitting, given Aires rants in TMO recently? |
| 20:13.44 | Estel_ | and pretending that they're an army. |
| 20:13.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | _|Nix|_: I got "advanced power settings" which is a battery icon in systray. It has a switched "host"/"OTG" under "USB" menu item |
| 20:13.55 | vi__ | Which you can request from noka as a developer. |
| 20:14.02 | Estel_ | yea |
| 20:14.23 | Estel_ | vi_, You got x votes out of x council members, so rest assured ;) |
| 20:14.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | "Advanced Power 0.4.1-6" "Advanced Power Monitor 0.5.1-6" |
| 20:14.37 | Estel_ | Woody14619, Aries is really hopeless |
| 20:14.49 | vi__ | Estel_: shhhh. I do actually feel a little guilty. |
| 20:14.52 | Estel_ | guy leaving harmattan as soon as Nokia announce it's really dead... |
| 20:15.01 | Estel_ | ...but running for Council 3 weeks ago |
| 20:15.20 | Woody14619 | and claiming that by insulting him I'm insulting the community... I know.. :P |
| 20:15.26 | Estel_ | ...that seems to be absolutely unpenetrable by simple answer "Ca doesn't have anything to do with future promises"... |
| 20:15.30 | Estel_ | yea |
| 20:15.33 | Woody14619 | He got quite a bit of ego, I'll give him that much. |
| 20:15.37 | Estel_ | BTw, in Harm world, he is barely known |
| 20:15.46 | Woody14619 | lol |
| 20:15.47 | Estel_ | sounds like harm have their own abil_uk |
| 20:15.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | _|Nix|_: you're still here? |
| 20:16.11 | Estel_ | vi_, no worries, You're going to pay for receiving N950 :P |
| 20:16.14 | Woody14619 | and with that.. I'm back to doing minutes so I can avoid it on the weekend. ;) |
| 20:16.19 | vi__ | Can the council not get abill permabanned? |
| 20:16.25 | Estel_ | I've already written, that any bastard complaining, that he havem't got device, can write Pm to You... |
| 20:16.41 | Estel_ | and you will volunteer to reply him where he can put his complains and how to smoke it |
| 20:16.50 | Estel_ | vi_, we can't. TMO is Reggie thing |
| 20:17.00 | Estel_ | ask chem|st about that, he is supermoderator |
| 20:17.12 | Estel_ | he got device too, he could at least do one favor for the communitym and ban abil :P |
| 20:17.24 | Estel_ | Woody14619, take Your time |
| 20:17.37 | Raimu | vi__: Hey, congrats on winning. Your text was humorous. I do notice you blast a lot of memes over at TMO, but mostly it's all good by me. :3 |
| 20:17.47 | _|Nix|_ | DocScrutinizer05: Rebooting as requested by the installation of advanced-power. |
| 20:17.59 | _|Nix|_ | DocScrutinizer05: ... Nokia hands ... |
| 20:18.04 | vi__ | Raimu: Thank you. |
| 20:18.13 | Sicelo | qgil has been asking for a while now for a vision/direction of where we want to go. /me wonders if he has got any responses yet |
| 20:18.42 | Estel_ | Sicelo, where we want to go with what? |
| 20:18.44 | vi__ | Sicelo: back to internettablettalk domain with debian style repos for all the devices. |
| 20:18.49 | Raimu | Nokia hands is much nicer when you kill the sound from the video file and make it play at 60FPS. :D |
| 20:18.56 | Estel_ | I can suggest him few` new employers, but I'm sure he will manage to do it himself |
| 20:19.14 | Estel_ | It starts to look like one hand open and another showing middle finger? |
| 20:19.26 | _|Nix|_ | DocScrutinizer05: Mine says "Unknown mode" under USB and it's grayed out. Do I need some kind of special kernel? |
| 20:19.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | _|Nix|_: in PC Connectivit ymanager in settings panel you find - under "network manager" "USB" a menu with "mass storage", "network", and "Host Mode" |
| 20:19.33 | Raimu | vi__: Also, you're definitely much more help than hindrance by all accounts, so by all means a prize deserved. |
| 20:19.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | _|Nix|_: (special kernel) not afaik |
| 20:19.49 | Estel_ | vi_, Reggie isn't interested in hosating forum for independent community without big company paying bills. |
| 20:19.58 | Estel_ | ironically, Nemein is much more willing to participate |
| 20:20.15 | _|Nix|_ | DocScrutinizer05: What is "PC connectivity manager"? |
| 20:20.34 | vi__ | who is reggie? |
| 20:20.43 | vi__ | I know of him but who is his employer? |
| 20:20.48 | vi__ | Is he a volunteer? |
| 20:20.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 20:21.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | _|Nix|_: an app |
| 20:21.16 | vi__ | Is it his webserver? |
| 20:21.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 20:21.33 | _|Nix|_ | DocScrutinizer05: So I probably need to install that. |
| 20:21.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 20:21.40 | vi__ | Nokia pay him to use it? |
| 20:21.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think Nokia pays some of the expense |
| 20:22.02 | vi__ | Who pays the rest? |
| 20:22.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | NFC |
| 20:22.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | who cares? |
| 20:22.13 | Estel_ | vi_, |
| 20:22.17 | vi__ | HAH! |
| 20:22.20 | Estel_ | Reggie is guy who formed internettablettalk |
| 20:22.27 | vi__ | Estel_: I assumed that. |
| 20:22.38 | vi__ | Will he let is have the domain name? |
| 20:22.39 | Estel_ | vi_, he, rfeportedly, gets ncioe contract with Nokia |
| 20:22.45 | Estel_ | i.e. he get more than needed to pay bills ;) |
| 20:22.51 | Estel_ | but, not to clal him full time worker |
| 20:23.09 | Estel_ | anyway, it seems for him, that having Nokia funding is much more profitable than adverts. |
| 20:23.10 | vi__ | web hosting costs like £60 per year. |
| 20:23.16 | Estel_ | well, it's going to end, anyway, pretty doon |
| 20:23.21 | Estel_ | s/doon/soon/ |
| 20:23.27 | vi__ | For a 'full fat' service. |
| 20:23.33 | Estel_ | vi_,, such huge thing little more, but, anyway |
| 20:23.49 | Estel_ | probably, You need to add one 0 to get sum he's getting ;) |
| 20:24.07 | Estel_ | (disclaimer - it was pure assumption from my side) |
| 20:24.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: in belarus? |
| 20:24.20 | Estel_ | lol |
| 20:24.29 | vi__ | Point is, I could host the forum on my webserver. (rented from bluehost) |
| 20:24.36 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: wut? |
| 20:24.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | for 10..15EUR you get a weak vserver here |
| 20:25.02 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: Imma fae scotland pal. |
| 20:25.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | in EU |
| 20:25.28 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: I am talking about a full fat, no limits all the bells and whistles web server. |
| 20:25.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | nozt that tmo was really hardened against any DoS attack |
| 20:26.03 | vi__ | A client pays me for it to host their site. |
| 20:26.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh, with how many hits per day? |
| 20:26.38 | vi__ | I dunno, like 10. |
| 20:26.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nos: |
| 20:26.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | tmo might have 10k/d |
| 20:27.02 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: so. |
| 20:27.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus 100k attacks |
| 20:27.20 | vi__ | At £60 a year I will expect them to handle it. |
| 20:27.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 20:27.44 | vi__ | The point is we have resources. |
| 20:27.48 | _|Nix|_ | DocScrutinizer05: Well, I found it, but when I click on the PC connectivity icon in the status bar, it still has a checkbox next to USB file storage. |
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| 20:28.24 | _|Nix|_ | DocScrutinizer05: And when I look at the advanced power thing, it still says "Unknown mode" under USB. |
| 20:28.33 | _|Nix|_ | DocScrutinizer05: Maybe I should reboot and try again. |
| 20:28.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | _|Nix|_: dunno, I just recall there were like 3 apps, with 2 of them borked after 2008 OS update, and one should still work |
| 20:29.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | pc connectivity manager has a plugin for settings page |
| 20:29.40 | _|Nix|_ | DocScrutinizer05: That's where I went. I chose host mode from the dropdown, save, apply. |
| 20:29.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, froze my N810 for ~20s |
| 20:30.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I guess it tried to do sth |
| 20:31.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I last time played with all that stuff like 3 years ago |
| 20:31.08 | _|Nix|_ | DocScrutinizer05: OK - it turned on my USB stick this time, so maybe it did something right. |
| 20:31.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 20:31.26 | _|Nix|_ | DocScrutinizer05: Me too, but I'm looking for a cheap Web server until my Raspberry PI arrives ... |
| 20:31.44 | Venemo_N9 | hey guys |
| 20:32.05 | Woody14619 | vi__: To clarify, Reggie has noted he's happy to provide us with a dump and full configs for the server TMO runs on. |
| 20:33.01 | _|Nix|_ | DocScrutinizer05: Well, slap me around and call me Suzy! It worked! |
| 20:33.16 | Woody14619 | vi__: The issue is the cost of hosting it. I can tell you for 60lb/year, you'll get about 2 days of service before they cite their usage policy and either boot you or demand more money. :) |
| 20:33.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 20:33.23 | _|Nix|_ | DocScrutinizer05: Thanks 1e6 for your help! |
| 20:33.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 20:33.48 | _|Nix|_ | go try it with the real thing now (SATA drive enclosure instead of USB stick). |
| 20:34.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 20:34.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | not with USB vbus power |
| 20:34.31 | vi__ | Woody14619: well. I just want to do my bit. |
| 20:34.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc the N810 can deliver scarce 100mA |
| 20:35.01 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: 100mA!!!! |
| 20:35.18 | vi__ | DUMP THE WARP CORE. |
| 20:35.24 | vi__ | That is too much power, |
| 20:35.30 | Venemo_N9 | lol |
| 20:35.30 | vi__ | ^,/. |
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| 20:35.39 | Woody14619 | Though honestly, bluehost (and others) have lots of options for higher use systems like TMO, and it's not super expensive, all said. |
| 20:36.18 | vi__ | Some other forums I use have adverts. |
| 20:36.21 | Woody14619 | We're talking more 30/month vs 60/year, but even that is far less than it was, say 5 years ago.. |
| 20:36.31 | vi__ | Not shit loads of them, just one at the top and one at the bottom. |
| 20:36.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, for 30EUR a month you get a decent server |
| 20:36.59 | vi__ | I dont mind, I turn ABP off for those forums. |
| 20:37.23 | Woody14619 | nods. |
| 20:37.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | with real mysql and all the shite |
| 20:37.25 | vi__ | Is there anyone from the netherlands here? |
| 20:37.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I once offered to pay those 30 bucks |
| 20:38.47 | Woody14619 | stays away from netherlands... (too many crabs) |
| 20:38.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | but some dudes thought it's just a game to administrate, and I should just give them root so they can hand oit to whonmever volunteers |
| 20:39.12 | vi__ | did 'itsnotabigtruck' create the 'inception' hax? |
| 20:39.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that's never been the deal |
| 20:39.26 | freemangordon | vi_: yes |
| 20:39.47 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, also you can never give these kind of people access to the reboot button, they press it zillion times a day |
| 20:39.48 | vi__ | So HE haxed aegis? |
| 20:39.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: yep, kinda. Though I'd claim it's been javispedro who actually invented it |
| 20:40.04 | Woody14619 | Really, keeping TMO afloat would be pretty simple. A paypal account and another mod or two to volunteer, and you're done. |
| 20:40.29 | vi__ | cracks open a cold can. |
| 20:40.38 | Woody14619 | The costly ones to keep up are the builders and the repos. CPU & traffic on those sucks the $$$. |
| 20:40.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 20:41.02 | vi__ | Woody14619: can we not move to a local build dydtem? |
| 20:41.07 | vi__ | ^system |
| 20:41.19 | freemangordon | Woody14619: if we are allowed to have what is needed for autobuilder |
| 20:41.28 | vi__ | have people build packages on their local machine and upload the packages or something? |
| 20:41.46 | Woody14619 | Sure... but it's a bit more scattered that way. And there's the issue of getting the distributables needed. |
| 20:41.57 | freemangordon | otherwise what vi__ is saying remains the only option |
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| 20:42.37 | Woody14619 | We actually have that prett covered in OBS freemangordon... |
| 20:42.50 | freemangordon | we were discussing something like that with merlin1991, fortunately he has all of the stuff neded |
| 20:43.06 | Woody14619 | Assuming we can get that off the ground before the mower comes. |
| 20:43.09 | freemangordon | Woody14619: which is in the same boat as maemo, ain't? |
| 20:43.14 | vi__ | wait, I thought eyes and itsnotabigtruck already had N9? How else are they devloping there things? |
| 20:43.36 | vi__ | ^there/their |
| 20:43.40 | freemangordon | vi__, by using the simulator in Qt SDK |
| 20:43.47 | freemangordon | :P |
| 20:43.58 | vi__ | he haxed aegis in the qt simulator?? |
| 20:44.05 | vi__ | 0_0 |
| 20:44.07 | Woody14619 | Yes and no... If we get it packaged up, then it's quite portable. Yes, it has the same issue with the EULA, so whomever houses it has to EULA to get the stuff on their local machine to build (same as private build setups are now) |
| 20:44.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: who gives a shit? |
| 20:44.26 | freemangordon | vi__: of course not, he has a device |
| 20:44.33 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: because the CA shitstorm has me kinda bummed out. |
| 20:44.42 | vi__ | ^bummed me out. |
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| 20:44.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | CA pissed me off |
| 20:45.03 | Woody14619 | avoids that for today... too much else going on, and frankly, it's friday... |
| 20:45.07 | vi__ | everything pisses you off. |
| 20:45.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | esp since somebody claimed those who got a loaner may not receive a gift |
| 20:45.36 | vi__ | liberals, weak pullups, etc. |
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| 20:46.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | and particularly from the very moment it started to feel like the new king is throwing gold on his people |
| 20:47.09 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: steady on. |
| 20:47.10 | Woody14619 | Doc, that was a given before the contest even happened. And frankly, people were told that when they applied. Nobody picked was given a device if they had won one (or loaned one) from a previous competition or program. |
| 20:47.26 | Woody14619 | Those rules came with the CA. |
| 20:47.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? does it make the rule more sane? |
| 20:49.01 | Woody14619 | Well, I don't make the rules... just reporting them. :) |
| 20:49.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus IIRC the rule didn't even mention any excemt when you broke, lost, or gave back your loaner |
| 20:49.36 | Woody14619 | Personally, I'd have prefered not to been involved in the whole process. :) |
| 20:49.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly like me |
| 20:50.02 | Woody14619 | nods |
| 20:50.07 | Venemo_N9 | so, what'll happen to maemo.org |
| 20:50.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | it will die after two more CA events |
| 20:50.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | dissolve on e one gigantic troll explosion |
| 20:50.56 | Venemo_N9 | CA? |
| 20:51.06 | Woody14619 | That's not a known yet. There's even a slim chance funding will extend to 2013, based on release contracts in India/Asia... |
| 20:51.07 | freemangordon | aah, not again :P |
| 20:52.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: that won't stop the trolls raid all over "the community", with useless threads with flamewars about CA rules and how shitty the winners are |
| 20:52.19 | Woody14619 | But the only thing we know for sure now is through end of the year. Anything after that is crystal ball gazing. |
| 20:52.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | two more CA and maemo.org is dead |
| 20:52.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | the community |
| 20:52.40 | Woody14619 | Happily, I don't think there will be another. |
| 20:52.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | pfooooh, God gracious |
| 20:52.58 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: you asked what is the added value. |
| 20:53.05 | freemangordon | for Nokia I mean |
| 20:53.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably exactly that? |
| 20:53.21 | Woody14619 | More shelf space in a warehouse? ;) |
| 20:53.21 | freemangordon | ;) |
| 20:53.23 | NIN101 | lol. |
| 20:55.01 | vi__ | hah. |
| 20:55.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | and pretty please no more CA at beginning of a council term!!! |
| 20:56.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | it just feels too much like USA president election funding |
| 20:56.44 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: There was no other option AIUI, the previous council was an one man show |
| 20:57.49 | freemangordon | yuo can imagne the shitload SD69 would'd had if he was to decide the winners alone |
| 20:58.28 | freemangordon | aah, finally, fennec .deb is ready |
| 20:59.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think it's been a terrible idea all together. Council should've kept the whole pool of devices for handing them out to active developers who need a replacement or a loaner, on council's very own discretion, at any time due |
| 20:59.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | even maybe try to swap several of them for new N900, on ebay or where ever |
| 20:59.55 | ds3 | and why isn't there a hardware development category? |
| 21:00.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq |
| 21:00.22 | ds3 | i mean for the contest |
| 21:00.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | because I would win all the prices, except the one for blueled and his pimped N810 |
| 21:00.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | X-P |
| 21:00.53 | freemangordon | well, I remember that guy on #beagle that told me to replace the SoC :D:D:D |
| 21:01.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 21:01.12 | ds3 | what's wrong with the idea of replacing the SoC? |
| 21:01.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | welll |
| 21:01.27 | freemangordon | yeah, to put a new one to have stable thumb2 :D |
| 21:01.43 | freemangordon | ds3: nothing? |
| 21:01.47 | ds3 | esp. if the new one is a GP part |
| 21:02.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing really, except our most experienced engineers at openmoko killed 3 out of 4 devices by doing just that, on quite easy prototypes that had no crowded motherboard |
| 21:02.21 | freemangordon | mhm, and especially if you don;t need phone calls |
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| 21:02.36 | ds3 | DocScrutinizer05: were they doing it themselves? |
| 21:02.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, they used tools |
| 21:03.01 | ds3 | but they were doing it themselves |
| 21:03.16 | ds3 | vs having folks who are familiar with the process do it |
| 21:03.22 | vi__ | ds3: themselves where qualified engineers. |
| 21:03.35 | ds3 | vi__: soldering folks are different from design folks |
| 21:03.38 | vi__ | Not imaginary wizards who can reball a chip. |
| 21:03.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF do you thin professional EE staff at a phone manuf company is "used to do"?? |
| 21:04.00 | vi__ | ds3: I know, we look down on them! |
| 21:04.02 | ds3 | I have had 100% success swapping out POP's with my CM |
| 21:04.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | or "familliar with"? |
| 21:04.32 | ds3 | there is a certain knack/practice needed to swap out POPs |
| 21:04.50 | ds3 | if this is their first POP rework, 1/4 isn't too bad |
| 21:05.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | hell, ATM we get around 50% yield on professional reflow, for GTA04 |
| 21:05.47 | ds3 | *shrug* |
| 21:07.03 | ds3 | and builds of a certain other open project had yeilds of like 40% at one point |
| 21:07.38 | ds3 | what might be more interesting is getting Harmatten or Freemantle going on the Galaxy Nexus |
| 21:07.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 21:08.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
| 21:08.15 | ds3 | the extra memory on there would be nice |
| 21:08.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | the extra complexity on cellmo too |
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| 21:09.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | and on power management, and on GFX |
| 21:09.19 | ds3 | the stock android stuff seems to do okay on the PM |
| 21:09.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: |
| 21:09.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | then use android! |
| 21:09.47 | ds3 | Linux GFX support for that chip is available... tricky with the version but available |
| 21:09.50 | ds3 | android blows |
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| 21:10.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know one thing for sure: there's no RIL availale for maemo |
| 21:11.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | since that's not how maemo works |
| 21:11.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | so have fun with RE of libisi and stuff |
| 21:12.09 | ds3 | the source for the RIL might be available |
| 21:12.19 | ds3 | haven't searched the whole tree |
| 21:12.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | there IS NO RIL |
| 21:12.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | on maemo |
| 21:12.29 | ds3 | I know |
| 21:12.45 | ds3 | the sources for the RIL should provide hints as to what needs to be poked to setup calls, etc |
| 21:13.03 | ds3 | worse comese to worse, it be comes more like the N800 but faster CPU. I can live w/o a local 3G modem |
| 21:13.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that helps how? when you don't know the API of the lib? |
| 21:13.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | tzzz |
| 21:14.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | fine, so now we're from N900-it's-NOT-a-phone maemo to "android sucks" to N800-like ubuntu, or what? |
| 21:15.33 | ds3 | I have never used the N900 voice capabilities. |
| 21:15.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's clearly *your* problem |
| 21:15.50 | ds3 | so lack of phone just isn't an issue as far as I am concern |
| 21:16.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd not invest my time to port 60% of maemo to another phone, to use it as PDA |
| 21:16.31 | ds3 | I just want a decent UI with code behind it that isn't design to steal information. |
| 21:16.37 | vi__ | ~ril |
| 21:16.37 | infobot | i guess ril is Remain in Light, a Talking Heads album featuring them at the peak of their Eno-ness |
| 21:16.43 | vi__ | wtf |
| 21:16.51 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05> there IS NO RIL |
| 21:16.57 | vi__ | ^DAFUQ this means? |
| 21:17.15 | vi__ | ds3: have you tried symbian? |
| 21:17.27 | ds3 | vi__: no, no interest. |
| 21:17.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://github.com/aferre/u300-ril |
| 21:17.51 | ds3 | I just want a UI on a tablet that works. |
| 21:18.18 | ds3 | and android doesn't cut it. let along all the questionable code in there written to allow outside intrusions |
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| 21:20.01 | vi__ | ds3: then there is literally nothing else available. |
| 21:20.18 | vi__ | ds3: Have you tried wp7? |
| 21:20.49 | ds3 | vi__: think so... at stores. not useable. |
| 21:20.49 | Macer | heh |
| 21:20.55 | Macer | ds3: that's india's doing! |
| 21:21.01 | Macer | android does suck... i have a transformer :-/ |
| 21:21.04 | ds3 | the n900 UI is the only one that is useable |
| 21:21.05 | Macer | it's awful |
| 21:21.11 | Macer | yeah.. it sure is |
| 21:21.17 | Macer | i wish i could put maemo on my transformer |
| 21:21.20 | Macer | :( |
| 21:21.27 | Macer | or something.. anything else other than android |
| 21:21.35 | Macer | i was making the attempt a while back but couldn't figure it out |
| 21:21.39 | Sicelo | WP8 maybe |
| 21:21.42 | Macer | i should look into mer and see |
| 21:21.46 | ds3 | on Fremantle, is the UI a customized matchbox or ? |
| 21:21.49 | Macer | i think it's just windows 8 ;) |
| 21:22.28 | ShadowJK | was thinking of getting a transformer |
| 21:23.40 | SpeedEvil | I was idly wondering about http://www.wopadusa.com/store/8/wopad-i9-9-7-rk-3066-dual-core-arm-cortex-a9-1-4ghz-cpu-ips-screen-tablet/ |
| 21:24.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ds3: yes, matchbox, iirc |
| 21:25.55 | ds3 | DocScrutinizer05: Hmmm. I'll need to debug more then. I made a copy of the filesystem and running matchbox from a chroot gives me something very different |
| 21:26.14 | Macer | don't |
| 21:26.19 | Macer | the transformer sucks |
| 21:26.36 | Macer | unless you get an older one and figure out how to put kde active on it |
| 21:26.47 | Macer | which from what i understand IS possible but i just don't have the skills :-/ |
| 21:27.00 | Macer | i'm waiting for an easy image or something to do it |
| 21:27.26 | Sicelo | ds3: of course it's different. it's hildon on maemo, not matchbox per se .. although the concept is the same |
| 21:27.28 | Macer | i'd give anything to put something other than android on this transformer |
| 21:27.46 | Sicelo | where matchbox doesnt' allow multiple visible windows |
| 21:27.59 | SpeedEvil | Then there is the thorny issue of do you still want to run android apps on it. |
| 21:28.06 | Macer | no |
| 21:28.07 | Macer | i don't |
| 21:28.21 | Macer | if i can run xterm, ssh, and chromium, and have a gtalk client... i'm sold |
| 21:28.26 | Macer | i'm more curious how it would manage the power tho |
| 21:28.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo >>It uses the Matchbox window manager, and the GTK-based Hildon framework as its GUI and application framework.<< |
| 21:28.35 | Macer | which seems to be .... usually what breaks ;) |
| 21:28.46 | Macer | when not running a stock OS |
| 21:28.49 | Sicelo | yeah, DocScrutinizer05, agreed |
| 21:29.06 | Macer | Hildon (c) |
| 21:29.09 | Macer | :-P |
| 21:29.46 | Macer | ShadowJK: get an old tf101 and put active on it and tell me how you did it |
| 21:29.55 | Macer | bonus points if you get maemo on it |
| 21:30.16 | Macer | but i think the screen is a tad too big for maemo's 1 window a a time system |
| 21:32.40 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: but matchbox gets shutdown before HD starts...? |
| 21:33.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think I've seen sth like that,yes. But i'd assume HD is just another tweaked matchbox incarnation |
| 21:34.36 | vi__ | bootup stuff->matchbox(request password/leave offline mode?)->close matchbox->HD. |
| 21:34.49 | vi__ | I have NFC what HD REALLY is so yeah. |
| 21:34.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: seems familar |
| 21:34.57 | freemangordon | MB2 |
| 21:35.35 | freemangordon | that is what hidon-desktop is using (i.e. libmatchbox2) |
| 21:35.46 | freemangordon | whatever the difference with matchbox 1 is |
| 21:35.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui HD is the windows manager while matchbox is... err... X ?? |
| 21:36.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/windows/desktop/ |
| 21:36.14 | freemangordon | no, h-d (along with libmatchbox2) is a window manager |
| 21:36.27 | freemangordon | matchbox is WM too |
| 21:36.38 | freemangordon | and xserver-xorg is X |
| 21:36.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever |
| 21:37.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I've no projects that need this detail in their wiki ATM |
| 21:37.30 | freemangordon | CSSU? :P |
| 21:37.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really, for now |
| 21:38.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you'll come up with some nifty plan that will make me learn all about that stuff, next week |
| 21:38.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 21:38.34 | freemangordon | next week? no, it was planned for the weekend ;) |
| 21:38.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | dmmit |
| 21:39.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh, your link. |
| 21:39.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | my laptop froze and needed a reboot :-S |
| 21:39.43 | freemangordon | aah, yes. though I won;t be able to do any maemo related stuff till sunday |
| 21:39.59 | ShadowJK | Macer, how does running multiple apps work, does it work, can you have more than one browser window or tab or something? |
| 21:40.32 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: so lets leave it for Sunday or next week, hopefully Pali will appear too |
| 21:41.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | too late: here you are -> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/blogs/browse/2012/06/role-linux-kernel-maintainer |
| 21:41.40 | Macer | in android? |
| 21:41.49 | Macer | yes heh |
| 21:42.06 | Macer | it works somewhat similar to maemo... all apps are full screen and multitask and are allowed background processes |
| 21:42.37 | Macer | at the very least i can say that android does multitask unlike ios and wp7 |
| 21:43.21 | ShadowJK | does flash on youtube work, do you get 720 or 1080? |
| 21:46.00 | Viltzu | zeq_laptop: I'm just wondering when you exactly are going to write the how to? I'm just wondering. There's no hurry. |
| 21:48.20 | vi__ | Is ssh over wifi broken is ssh over wifi under harmattan broken? |
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| 21:49.08 | vi__ | Is ssh over wifi under harmattan broken? |
| 21:49.13 | vi__ | is what I meant. |
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| 22:00.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | is what |
| 22:01.48 | vi__ | Is using ssh, over a wifi connection on the harmattan operating system 'broken'? |
| 22:02.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: it wasn't (and isn't) for the OS rev I got here |
| 22:03.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc about "newer" versions |
| 22:03.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ssh bp; is what I do all the time. I never ever physically toucht those devices |
| 22:04.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | (bp like burning-platform) |
| 22:04.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | which actually is the N950 |
| 22:05.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks to MohammadAG for the christianizing |
| 22:06.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | christening actually |
| 22:08.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | however I *seem* to recall I had to tweak something in sshd config eventually. Dunno if it was for adopting the local class-C, or for allowing remote login from larger internets |
| 22:09.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway it seems fact the IP range allowed to log in is restricted |
| 22:09.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: but maybe ask that on #harmattan ? |
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| 22:12.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | jr@HaleBopp:/btr77G> ssh -l root 192.168.1.49 |
| 22:12.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | BusyBox v1.19.0.git (Maemo 3:1.19-7+0m6) built-in shell (ash) |
| 22:12.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. |
| 22:12.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# |
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| 22:15.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: duh, wait. You'r enew to HARM, are you? |
| 22:17.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think first of all you'll need to enable developer mode in settings, and install a bunch of tools |
| 22:17.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | (will get installed the moment you enable DM) |
| 22:18.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | then the joy of forgetting all you knew about linux/unix starts. Since nothing works like you'd expect, when it comes to rootshell on HARM |
| 22:19.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no sudo and su anymore, but devel-su and develsh |
| 22:19.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | (still haven't wrapped my head around when you need which of them) |
| 22:20.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | but hey, on fremantle we got root and sudo gainroot ;-P |
| 22:21.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you'll notice that root doesn't have *any* special powers at all, since all the permissions are linked to the executable now, not to the user |
| 22:21.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | so root can't even kill user processes, or write to user's homedir |
| 22:22.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you'll learn there are a shitload of files (in etc/ et al) that will cause MALF, a nasty way the system teaches you to never touch those files |
| 22:23.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | edit /etc/init.d/$whatever ? don't even think about it! |
| 22:24.22 | RiD | er |
| 22:24.31 | NIN101 | summary: ham sucks if you care about usual linux experience. |
| 22:25.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/ham/HARM |
| 22:25.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah |
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| 22:28.08 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: wait, I cannot even edit the config files in /etc/? |
| 22:29.06 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: what do you lose when you put it in 'open' mode? |
| 22:29.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~may-i-edit |
| 22:29.20 | infobot | mayIedit () { grep "`basename $1`" /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist && echo "probably not" && return; echo "edit if you feel venturous"; } |
| 22:29.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | use dirs on this function, like /etc |
| 22:30.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | /etc/events.d |
| 22:31.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: there's only one true openmode, and that will kill several of the deemed security-critical things like password storage etc |
| 22:31.26 | vi__ | This is sounding like an epic ballache, |
| 22:31.31 | vi__ | ^,/. |
| 22:31.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | mount|grep aegis |
| 22:32.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | soory but my pastebin doesn't work yet, on this laptop, so... |
| 22:32.46 | vi__ | So does inception totally blow aegis out of the water? |
| 22:32.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# mount|grep aegis |
| 22:32.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | aegisfs on /home/user/private type fuse.aegisfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=30007,group_id=30010,allow_other) |
| 22:32.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | aegisfs on /home/user/.odnp/private type fuse.aegisfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=30007,group_id=30010,allow_other) |
| 22:32.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | aegisfs on /home/user/.positioningd/private type fuse.aegisfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=30007,group_id=30010,allow_other) |
| 22:32.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | aegisfs on /home/user/.mms/private type fuse.aegisfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=30007,group_id=30010,allow_other) |
| 22:32.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | aegisfs on /home/user/.odnp-fpcd/private type fuse.aegisfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=30007,group_id=30010,allow_other) |
| 22:32.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | aegisfs on /var/cache/timed/aegis type fuse.aegisfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=30007,group_id=30010,allow_other) |
| 22:33.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | aegisfs on /home/user/.slpgwd/layer type fuse.aegisfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=30007,group_id=30010,allow_other) |
| 22:33.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | aegisfs on /etc/ssl/certs type fuse.aegisfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=30007,group_id=30010,allow_other) |
| 22:33.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: not really |
| 22:33.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | as you still have checksum-hashes on immutable/untouchable files |
| 22:33.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui |
| 22:34.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | but you could install a new/edited version of a /etc/events.d/$whatever, with inception plsu the right tools, whatever those might be |
| 22:36.01 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: are you fluent in any script language besides bash? |
| 22:36.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, not really fluent |
| 22:37.03 | merlin1991 | I've been thinking of building a sb based "autobuilder" just in case |
| 22:37.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think I could hack up sth in python, though it'll look like my dog's arse |
| 22:37.35 | merlin1991 | since I have everything that's needed on my server already :DS |
| 22:37.38 | merlin1991 | -S |
| 22:37.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure thing |
| 22:38.12 | vi__ | Fuck those TMO haterz. |
| 22:38.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | if only javispedro would show up every now and then |
| 22:38.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: eh? |
| 22:38.35 | merlin1991 | yeah, he showed up to quite a few of the obs meetings though |
| 22:38.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen javispedro |
| 22:38.58 | infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22d 2h 34m 30s ago, saying: 'the community ML activity can attest to that indeed'. |
| 22:38.59 | merlin1991 | I guess if X-Fade finishes the obs work we could copy paste that to any server farm |
| 22:39.16 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: infobot is not in #maemo-meeting |
| 22:39.24 | jacekowski | merlin1991: i've had an autobuilder |
| 22:39.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 22:39.30 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: the CA thread on TMO is now getting personal. |
| 22:39.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither :-P |
| 22:39.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~tmo |
| 22:39.49 | infobot | somebody said tmo was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. |
| 22:40.17 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: thankfully I never read the tmo thread :D |
| 22:40.17 | merlin1991 | jacekowski: any code you can share to build on? |
| 22:40.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi jacekowski :-9 |
| 22:40.42 | merlin1991 | I guess for a proper maemo.org replacement we need a good web integration |
| 22:40.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 22:41.19 | merlin1991 | jacekowski: also in general I'm interested how you did that :) |
| 22:41.20 | vi__ | merlin1991: or a gun. |
| 22:41.33 | jacekowski | merlin1991: with a lot of effort |
| 22:41.34 | merlin1991 | vi__: I don't follow |
| 22:42.04 | vi__ | merlin1991: sorry, too much polish special brew. |
| 22:42.14 | merlin1991 | hehe :D |
| 22:42.16 | vi__ | merlin1991: I shall proceed to lurk. |
| 22:42.42 | merlin1991 | vi__: input is always welcome, though I prefer clear input ;) |
| 22:42.51 | jacekowski | merlin1991: buildme + reprepo |
| 22:43.06 | merlin1991 | reprepro is awesome, though it only keeps one version |
| 22:43.25 | jacekowski | i don't think so |
| 22:43.25 | merlin1991 | which would break the old maemo.org repo systen |
| 22:43.29 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 22:43.35 | merlin1991 | s/en/em/ |
| 22:43.41 | jacekowski | reprepo can do multiple versions |
| 22:43.45 | merlin1991 | how? |
| 22:43.58 | merlin1991 | I asked over in #reprepro yesterday and the devs said no :D |
| 22:44.12 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 22:44.15 | jacekowski | dunno then |
| 22:44.21 | jacekowski | i think it worked on mine |
| 22:44.25 | jacekowski | but i've got no way of testing it |
| 22:44.30 | merlin1991 | dpkg-scanpackages doesn't do multiple versions either |
| 22:44.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: when things get personel on tromoox, we got chem|st to fix this battle |
| 22:44.53 | jacekowski | i've tried using apt-ftparchive as well |
| 22:44.54 | merlin1991 | and there ends my knowledge about apt-repo tools |
| 22:44.58 | jacekowski | anyways |
| 22:45.14 | merlin1991 | did you have any kind of implementation for user uploads of source? |
| 22:45.23 | jacekowski | ssh |
| 22:45.33 | jacekowski | but it was only for me and few trusted users |
| 22:45.42 | merlin1991 | jacekowski: I'm thinking about web form ... |
| 22:45.43 | jacekowski | and i didn't have to track it |
| 22:46.03 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: got a link to the flame thread? |
| 22:46.08 | jacekowski | merlin1991: there are standard tools that use ssh |
| 22:46.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | me? nah |
| 22:46.27 | jacekowski | merlin1991: dput |
| 22:46.39 | jacekowski | merlin1991: and dput is used all across other distros and stuff |
| 22:46.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess vi__got some |
| 22:46.52 | merlin1991 | jacekowski: yeah, though that hardly would represent the known maemo.org interface :/ |
| 22:47.04 | merlin1991 | (but I use it for cssu uploads ;)) |
| 22:47.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: are you in mood for popcorn, eh? |
| 22:47.21 | jacekowski | merlin1991: maemo uses dput |
| 22:47.34 | merlin1991 | jacekowski: we've got the webinterface aswell |
| 22:47.41 | merlin1991 | which is even better documented |
| 22:48.06 | jacekowski | you don't need a lot of documentation for dput |
| 22:48.12 | merlin1991 | yeah :D |
| 22:48.23 | jacekowski | http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras#dput |
| 22:48.44 | merlin1991 | though would you be interested to develop a maemo.org similar autobuilder based on any language? |
| 22:48.54 | merlin1991 | I don't feel like doing it completely alone |
| 22:49.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | why can't we use the original one? |
| 22:49.26 | merlin1991 | *just in case* |
| 22:49.45 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: funding isn't fixed for the future, and the maemo future doesn't look good |
| 22:49.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 22:49.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | the autobuilder script |
| 22:50.01 | merlin1991 | aswell as the whole midgard system is a bit overkill for the average self paid root server |
| 22:50.25 | merlin1991 | it incorporates *everything* maemo.org has :/ |
| 22:50.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | wut? |
| 22:50.35 | merlin1991 | as far as I can tell it doesn't look quite modular |
| 22:50.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | midgard does autobuilds? |
| 22:51.06 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: for a proper replacement I'd like to have a running builder and at least hte package interface |
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| 22:51.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 22:51.44 | merlin1991 | the builder scripts might be independent, though they are heavily adjusted by X-Fade thus not exactly freely avaiable, and everything else is midgard |
| 22:52.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much, modulo I don't see why X-Fade wouldn't want to share the autobuilder scripts |
| 22:52.33 | merlin1991 | ture :D |
| 22:52.37 | merlin1991 | *ture* |
| 22:52.39 | merlin1991 | arf |
| 22:52.41 | merlin1991 | *true* |
| 22:52.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 22:53.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | invites merlin1991 for a Tschunk |
| 22:53.18 | merlin1991 | I guess X-Fade would be happy to share them, but I fear they are written in something I'm not fluent in |
| 22:53.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's the least problem, no? |
| 22:53.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can learn ;-) |
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| 22:53.53 | merlin1991 | stufu ;) |
| 22:54.08 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: what's a Tschunk though? |
| 22:54.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki tschunk |
| 22:54.28 | Raimu | Yum. |
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| 22:54.44 | merlin1991 | omfg contains Club-Mate |
| 22:55.14 | merlin1991 | caffaine ftw :D |
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| 22:56.27 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ -- N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 22:56.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, Tim's hacky hour |
| 22:56.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wb |
| 22:56.45 | infobot | thx |
| 22:56.54 | merlin1991 | ~botsnack |
| 22:56.54 | infobot | :), merlin1991 |
| 22:57.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen timriker |
| 22:57.41 | infobot | timriker is currently on #ldstech #infobot, last said: 'hmm. I didn't get the jira email korman sent out. Perhaps I'm not on those lists?'. |
| 22:59.24 | merlin1991 | wtf abill_uk actually has a sane argument on the ca thread |
| 22:59.53 | NIN101 | the ca is popcorn. |
| 23:00.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems a good tradition meanwhile: Tim /joins #infobot at Friday 23:00 UTC, and says ~die |
| 23:00.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
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| 23:00.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+uptime |
| 23:01.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks purl |
| 23:01.20 | infobot | no worries, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 23:01.30 | merlin1991 | NIN101: I can't complain, I got a n950 |
| 23:02.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | traitor! ;-D |
| 23:03.05 | Sc0rpius | I should have one of those |
| 23:03.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | welcome to #club950 anyway |
| 23:04.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | which probably is the best thing about the whole device |
| 23:04.36 | Macer | heh |
| 23:04.38 | NIN101 | you deserve it, others don't (imo). Intransparent decissions and also not sure what to think that council members themselves got a device. I am not saying they don't deserve it, but it is kinda strange, because they are doing the decisions... :-) |
| 23:04.40 | Sc0rpius | in the meantime I'm still waiting for a proper replacement for the N900 |
| 23:04.42 | Sc0rpius | and N9 is not. |
| 23:04.51 | Macer | didn't the scientist who developed lsd live to be like 110 or something? |
| 23:04.57 | Sc0rpius | and a device with Tizen is not either |
| 23:05.06 | Macer | Sc0rpius: it will never happen :( |
| 23:05.12 | Macer | the n900 is a one of a kind |
| 23:05.13 | Sc0rpius | a device with Mer isn't either. |
| 23:05.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101: I'd argue every day that council *needs* a device for reference purposes |
| 23:05.29 | Macer | what's wrong with mer? |
| 23:05.37 | Sc0rpius | try it |
| 23:05.44 | Sc0rpius | and then ask the question again |
| 23:05.48 | Macer | i wanted to try to get it on the tf101 |
| 23:05.50 | Macer | and install active |
| 23:05.53 | Macer | but don't know how :-/ |
| 23:06.48 | NIN101 | DocScrutinizer05: That's probably true. |
| 23:06.49 | jacekowski | Sc0rpius: there will never be device like that |
| 23:06.59 | jacekowski | Sc0rpius: there is no market for it |
| 23:07.07 | Sc0rpius | I guess |
| 23:07.15 | jacekowski | Sc0rpius: older people don't buy smartphones |
| 23:07.26 | jacekowski | Sc0rpius: so those will be happy with anything, maybe symbian |
| 23:07.30 | jacekowski | Sc0rpius: and kids want iphone |
| 23:07.37 | Sc0rpius | yeah |
| 23:07.38 | jacekowski | maybe android |
| 23:07.48 | merlin1991 | n900 was one of a kind, so much hw in one device, a update to todays standards would only include more ram, newer omap and nfc |
| 23:08.07 | jacekowski | merlin1991: and capacitive screen |
| 23:08.15 | jacekowski | merlin1991: with stylus, like in galaxy note |
| 23:08.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: yeah, and both the elder and the kids already asked my "don't you eventually get yourself a smartphone instead of this thing?" X-P |
| 23:08.28 | jacekowski | that would be sweet |
| 23:08.29 | Sc0rpius | well I never use the stylus |
| 23:08.29 | vi__ | jacekowski: nah, multi-touch resistive! |
| 23:08.35 | NIN101 | (and glonass maybe) |
| 23:08.42 | Sc0rpius | I think Galaxy S series phones have better screen than the N900 |
| 23:08.56 | Sc0rpius | but the only real good thing about the N900 was the OS (the hardware is crap actually) |
| 23:08.57 | jacekowski | vi__: resistive is soft |
| 23:09.10 | jacekowski | vi__: and it's easier to scratch than glass capacitive |
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| 23:09.22 | Sc0rpius | I hate that N900 doesn't have multitouch for instance |
| 23:09.23 | vi__ | true |
| 23:09.27 | jacekowski | if you can do glass resistive i'll have it any day |
| 23:09.40 | jacekowski | but having glass screen is a priority for me |
| 23:09.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: what should fremantle do with mt?? |
| 23:09.53 | jacekowski | as i don't use any screen protectors or anything |
| 23:09.57 | Sc0rpius | but I really need an OS with 100% native executables in a phone. |
| 23:10.04 | merlin1991 | well fm transmitter is quite awesome aswell |
| 23:10.05 | Sc0rpius | multitouch is important in games |
| 23:10.11 | Sc0rpius | and games are important in this business |
| 23:10.16 | jacekowski | Sc0rpius: you can do native on android |
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| 23:10.21 | Sc0rpius | do you know how much money the Angry Birds guys made????? |
| 23:10.26 | jacekowski | Sc0rpius: a lot |
| 23:10.26 | JakDaRippa | is anyone in here using fmms and tmobile in the US? having trouble with my configuration settings. |
| 23:10.29 | Sc0rpius | that's the amount of money I need |
| 23:10.38 | jacekowski | Sc0rpius: not as much as that farm game on facebook though |
| 23:10.42 | Sc0rpius | yeah!! |
| 23:10.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't give a flying F about AB |
| 23:10.44 | Sc0rpius | true |
| 23:10.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | and even less about how much money they made with it |
| 23:11.08 | Sc0rpius | well I would love to have JUST ONE SINGLE IDEA for an app/game that I could make that amount of money |
| 23:11.11 | jacekowski | i wish i would have that kind of money |
| 23:11.11 | Sc0rpius | and never ever work again in my life |
| 23:11.19 | jacekowski | Sc0rpius: it's not a new idea |
| 23:11.25 | jacekowski | Sc0rpius: games like that existed before |
| 23:11.30 | Woody14619 | is off for the weekend..bye! :) |
| 23:11.30 | Sc0rpius | well but it's an very well implemented idea |
| 23:11.38 | Sc0rpius | I didn't say it has to be an innovative idea |
| 23:11.46 | merlin1991 | JakDaRippa: I fear currently this channel is made of old european guys talking about why current smartphones suck ;) |
| 23:11.47 | Sc0rpius | just a good one |
| 23:11.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems you forgot N900 been the platform where they rolled out AB iirc |
| 23:12.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | so don't tell me AB needs mt |
| 23:12.14 | Sc0rpius | no |
| 23:12.17 | Sc0rpius | but the GOOD games do |
| 23:12.25 | jacekowski | not really |
| 23:12.26 | Sc0rpius | AB is not a good game, just an addictive one |
| 23:12.37 | jacekowski | i hate games on phones |
| 23:12.39 | jacekowski | i've tried |
| 23:12.46 | jacekowski | but multitouch control is painful |
| 23:12.49 | jacekowski | whatever you do |
| 23:12.52 | Sc0rpius | they are pretty useful in business meetings |
| 23:12.57 | jacekowski | accelerometer controll isn't perfect either |
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| 23:13.09 | jacekowski | mouse + keyboard |
| 23:13.21 | jacekowski | it's been like that since beggining of the time |
| 23:13.25 | jacekowski | and it will never change |
| 23:14.32 | JakDaRippa | merlin1991, well that sucks. i have a N900 that i will never get rid of. i think it's the best phone ever made. especially once i get everything working correctly. |
| 23:14.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | joystick FTW |
| 23:14.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | literally |
| 23:16.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | JakDaRippa: sorry, no fmms here |
| 23:16.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen frals |
| 23:16.18 | infobot | frals is currently on #maemo #harmattan, last said: 'but afaik everything in the script will then be run as root'. |
| 23:16.21 | JakDaRippa | n/p...have a nice day |
| 23:16.50 | merlin1991 | JakDaRippa: frals would be the guy responsible for fmms, thus he might be able to help |
| 23:17.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | JakDaRippa: maybe frals is willing to help |
| 23:17.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh, merlin1991 been faster :-D |
| 23:18.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | frals: ping ^^^ |
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| 23:23.12 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: I made some more progress with fennec rotation, unfortunately it is still not 100% ok. Will be off for the weekend, so will continue on sunday. If you find some spare time, please upload the source to garage. |
| 23:23.18 | freemangordon | waves |
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| 23:25.55 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: did you change it to the usual listen for resize code, or does it still listen to the accelerometer directly? |
| 23:26.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the OT-amusement: http://adiz0r.soup.io/post/193593866/Developers-designers-project-managers-QA-and-sysadmins |
| 23:27.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I quite obviously am classified as sysadmin by everybody ;-P |
| 23:28.35 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: a business partner had a quite simlilar pic as a status message in skype :D |
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| 23:30.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm missing the catergory "users" |
| 23:30.34 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: they are usually not wihthin your sw dev company ;) |
| 23:30.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 23:31.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | and can't tell apart devels from QA and sysadmins |
| 23:32.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | so the "as seen by users" row would probably just need one picture |
| 23:33.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe a group photo, similar to "village people" |
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| 23:34.36 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: but you'd have to devide the user group at least into groups with technical knolwedge and without |
| 23:34.48 | merlin1991 | s/devide/divide/ |
| 23:35.09 | Atarii | hahaha that pic is amzing |
| 23:35.11 | Atarii | amazing* |
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| 23:44.51 | Viltzu | I probably shouldn't remove gvfs on n900? |
| 23:52.38 | Viltzu | Looks like it kind of impossible to even remove P |
| 23:56.34 | Hurrian | meh, fremantle system packaging is messed up, too many things that depend on one another |
