| 00:00.17 | r00t|home | Viltzu: no localhost in /etc/hosts ? ;) |
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| 00:01.46 | Viltzu | Right.. |
| 00:03.42 | Viltzu | That fixes (altough not the "failed to create display" but yeah) |
| 00:03.51 | Viltzu | how about that GLX missing when trying on N900? |
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| 00:06.15 | r00t|home | Viltzu: does the program require GL? |
| 00:07.22 | Viltzu | Yes |
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| 00:08.05 | Viltzu | Friend also got that with MeeGo on N9 and he fixed it but the failed to create display stays. |
| 00:08.16 | Viltzu | Altough that error is made by the program |
| 00:08.30 | Macer | heh |
| 00:08.30 | Viltzu | So yeah hmm |
| 00:08.41 | Macer | how much to N9s cost nowadays |
| 00:08.49 | Macer | i figure they would be a bit cheap |
| 00:08.52 | Viltzu | 16GB 300e |
| 00:08.58 | Macer | that is not cheap :-P |
| 00:08.59 | Macer | heh |
| 00:09.26 | Macer | i still wouldn't mind getting an e7 if they drop to like.... 200 or less |
| 00:09.41 | Viltzu | And thats at it cheapest price you probably can get as a new |
| 00:09.59 | Viltzu | 430€ is more common in stores for N9. |
| 00:10.08 | Macer | wow |
| 00:10.14 | Macer | e7 is still in the 300s as well |
| 00:10.17 | Macer | wtf? :) |
| 00:10.51 | Macer | the last of the symbians |
| 00:10.58 | Macer | i have a lumia 900 now... wp7 is actually good |
| 00:11.01 | Macer | better than expected |
| 00:11.06 | Viltzu | So they say |
| 00:11.11 | Macer | still miss my N900 tho :( |
| 00:11.17 | Macer | stupid sim reader stopped working correctly |
| 00:11.27 | Viltzu | Tim Cook liked wp7 also. |
| 00:11.36 | Viltzu | I think he said it was better than iOS |
| 00:11.53 | Macer | i think it is just ios with tiles :-P |
| 00:12.06 | Macer | the way it handles background apps is almost the exact same |
| 00:12.08 | Viltzu | (Tim Cook, CEO of Apple, if you didn't know) |
| 00:12.16 | Macer | ie: it just doesn't run them |
| 00:12.36 | r00t|home | lol |
| 00:12.58 | r00t|home | who needs multitasking anyway... multitasking is so last century... |
| 00:13.37 | Macer | you mean jobs isn't around anymore |
| 00:13.40 | Macer | hides |
| 00:13.59 | Macer | r00t|home: multitasking eats power i guess |
| 00:14.04 | r00t|home | jobs was switched into background |
| 00:14.05 | Macer | although my n900 seemed to use power just fine |
| 00:14.31 | Macer | unless i was runnign something retarded.. like gcc on the battery :) |
| 00:15.01 | r00t|home | depends on how urgently you need to get that code compiled... |
| 00:16.13 | Macer | i'm just saying. i never really had power issues with the n900 and it was a true multitasker |
| 00:16.18 | Macer | i still have it around here somewhere collecting dust |
| 00:16.26 | Macer | poor thing :) |
| 00:16.42 | Macer | first n900 had the usb port rip off |
| 00:16.46 | Macer | 2nd one had the sim reader fail |
| 00:16.55 | Macer | 3rd one will never be bought heh |
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| 00:19.28 | Viltzu | Where do you live? |
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| 00:19.41 | Viltzu | looks like in Finland |
| 00:19.45 | Viltzu | How much do you ask? |
| 00:20.05 | Viltzu | Macer, ^ |
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| 00:23.31 | Viltzu | :( |
| 00:23.38 | RiD | diff |
| 00:24.16 | Viltzu | differential |
| 00:24.58 | RiD | me no ingres sory |
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| 00:41.53 | Macer | chicago |
| 00:42.10 | Macer | sorry. i was installing a new cssu update on the n900 that i just turned on after 2 months heh |
| 00:42.21 | Viltzu | k |
| 00:42.25 | Macer | it does not seem to agree with the n900.. it is stuck at the dot screen |
| 00:42.44 | Macer | am i missing something here? :) |
| 00:42.45 | Viltzu | In chicago for real ? |
| 00:43.08 | Macer | yes.. i am in chicago |
| 00:43.22 | Viltzu | Okay :< |
| 00:43.42 | Macer | not all n900 owners are in the eu ;) |
| 00:43.51 | Viltzu | :> |
| 00:44.38 | wmarone | hehe |
| 00:46.06 | Macer | although i don't consider myself much of an owner with my broken n900 :'( |
| 00:46.30 | Macer | damn i love this thing.. either way i no longer have tmobile so even if i wanted to use it.. it would be edge.. and that just sucks |
| 00:47.05 | wmarone | it does suck |
| 00:47.18 | wmarone | but I've tolerated it for this long! |
| 00:47.28 | Viltzu | blackholes suck. |
| 00:47.32 | wmarone | though I did have the 2 weeks in Japan with 3.5G everywhere I went |
| 00:47.35 | Viltzu | That's a fact. |
| 00:53.38 | Macer | Viltzu: some might argue that black holes actually push you ;) |
| 00:53.50 | Macer | gravity is more of a push |
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| 00:54.30 | Macer | wmarone: well.. the modem doesn't support the att freq |
| 00:54.47 | Macer | and i crossed over to the dark side after my n900 broke.. which was the only thing keeping me with crappy tmobile ;) |
| 00:54.49 | wmarone | it supports the 2G frequency, which is what I've been on :/ |
| 00:54.58 | wmarone | well, 2.5G |
| 00:55.01 | wmarone | but still, shit slow |
| 00:55.02 | Macer | well.. i meant the att 3G one ;) |
| 00:55.05 | wmarone | yes |
| 00:55.08 | Viltzu | 2.5G is EDGE. |
| 00:55.10 | Macer | i can't do slow data |
| 00:55.34 | Viltzu | asd |
| 00:55.43 | Viltzu | allegro filled rootfs on N900. |
| 00:56.00 | Viltzu | But but... I need to throw that shit there |
| 00:56.13 | Viltzu | symbolic links would do also but that means work |
| 00:56.15 | Viltzu | or a script. |
| 00:57.04 | Macer | i use the n900 every once in a while on my wifi |
| 00:57.12 | Macer | it's good for using irc in bed ;) |
| 00:57.29 | Macer | or ssh |
| 00:57.35 | Macer | :-/ wish everything had xterm |
| 00:57.49 | Macer | cygwin for wp7 heh |
| 00:57.53 | Viltzu | Okay looks like allegro wasn't the one using all the space.. |
| 00:57.56 | Viltzu | now what is it... |
| 00:58.25 | Viltzu | How will I find that out? |
| 00:59.53 | Viltzu | with du maybe. |
| 01:00.27 | Viltzu | /usr/ is 375.3M |
| 01:00.28 | Viltzu | erhm. |
| 01:01.25 | Viltzu | /usr/lib is 225MB. |
| 01:01.38 | Viltzu | Thats a lot of libs. |
| 01:03.33 | RiD | talking to yourself |
| 01:03.37 | RiD | thats nice |
| 01:03.45 | RiD | you should see a doctor. |
| 01:04.24 | Viltzu | Ok. |
| 01:04.31 | Viltzu | gcc is taking lot of space :u |
| 01:04.45 | Viltzu | I just delete it. duh don't need it anymore |
| 01:06.54 | RiD | looks at Viltzu, sadly. |
| 01:07.30 | Viltzu | Okay apt-get remove gcc won't remove those libs |
| 01:07.39 | Viltzu | Just manually remove? |
| 01:07.46 | Viltzu | Why do I ask. There is just you. |
| 01:08.31 | Macer | apt-get autoremove might help if you have deps that aren't going away |
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| 01:09.22 | Viltzu | I was just going to try that |
| 01:10.12 | Viltzu | Oh wow. It's going to remove a lot. And some of em looks like I might even need them. Oh well |
| 01:10.54 | Viltzu | Or are -dev just when compiling and dat? |
| 01:11.51 | Macer | -dev are usually deps related to development and shouldn't affect anything not that runs |
| 01:11.54 | Macer | at least in my experience |
| 01:12.06 | Viltzu | okay the /usr/lib/gcc stays after autoremove |
| 01:12.11 | Viltzu | I just rm it. |
| 01:12.23 | Viltzu | Hope nothing breaks. Probably not, and I don't need gcc anymore so.. |
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| 01:15.57 | Viltzu | Okay hmm something else is taking space also.. |
| 01:17.29 | Viltzu | but well I have enough space already. |
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| 01:23.00 | Viltzu | asd autoremove did delete something that I still needed :| |
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| 05:30.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | NEVER do autoremove |
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| 08:24.04 | teotwaki | japh: so I'm guessing you never use automatic doors? Cars? Buses? Elevators, computers, phones, etc... |
| 08:25.01 | japh | crawls back to his comfortable corner, ashamed |
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| 08:32.18 | japh | vi_, do you want a n950? |
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| 08:40.21 | vi_ | japh: yeah! |
| 08:40.28 | japh | where do you live? |
| 08:40.28 | vi_ | Do you? |
| 08:40.32 | japh | no |
| 08:40.38 | vi_ | ...Scotland. |
| 08:40.54 | vi_ | Wait, you just received it. |
| 08:40.58 | japh | ok. it's yours if you think the shipping costs are worth it |
| 08:40.59 | vi_ | From Sweden. |
| 08:41.02 | japh | yes |
| 08:41.11 | vi_ | You just got raped for import tax? |
| 08:41.22 | japh | no. I live in sweden :) |
| 08:41.30 | japh | but I'm really dissapointed |
| 08:41.32 | vi_ | And why you do not want it? |
| 08:42.05 | vi_ | So you are just giving it away? |
| 08:42.14 | japh | the actual hardware seems great, and screen and casing is in perfect condition |
| 08:42.35 | vi_ | Pro-tip: You could probably sell it for around 6-700 euro if you can find the right sucker. |
| 08:42.46 | japh | lol |
| 08:42.58 | vi_ | However if you REALLY want to mail it to me... |
| 08:43.02 | vi_ | Go right ahead! |
| 08:43.50 | japh | I'm not giving away hardware like this for free, unless of course you happen to have written software that I can't live without |
| 08:43.50 | vi_ | chem|st: Guten morgen! |
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| 08:44.23 | japh | but if you think I could get that much, I'll check the interwebs |
| 08:44.56 | vi_ | japh: you options are either sell it on TMO or through ebay. |
| 08:45.12 | vi_ | If you want a buyer though the best place is TMO. |
| 08:45.50 | vi_ | Be warned, all the N950 came with NDAs and heavy penalties for anyone who sells them. THey still technically belong to Nokia. |
| 08:48.58 | vi_ | japh: do you speak german? |
| 08:49.14 | chem|st | vi_: guten morgen ;) |
| 08:49.20 | japh | vi_, sorry what's TMO? |
| 08:49.34 | japh | vi_, du bist ein kartoffelnpudding |
| 08:49.39 | japh | 'not really' |
| 08:50.12 | vi_ | I have toffepudding? |
| 08:50.15 | chem|st | japh: I'd take it and the promise to get in touch with columbus developer to port it ;) |
| 08:50.22 | vi_ | ^cheesecake? |
| 08:50.47 | [DarkGUNMAN] | morning vi_ |
| 08:50.49 | vi_ | yo |
| 08:50.50 | chem|st | japh: I do not want to own it btw, you'd get it back as you wish |
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| 08:51.03 | japh | I don't know what columbus is |
| 08:51.03 | vi_ | chem|st: the game is up. He knows it is worth at least 2000 euro now. |
| 08:51.29 | chem|st | vi_: not yet |
| 08:52.15 | vi_ | chem|st: Is this a persons name or a company name? |
| 08:52.19 | vi_ | Beim-Müden-Bjoern |
| 08:52.34 | japh | heh. yeah. I'll probably sell it then so I can buy more n900's. unless columbus is something totally kickass |
| 08:52.42 | chem|st | japh: basically an offshore navigation in bare simple, the key about are the plugins, exporting gps to anything like wifi usb bt telnet... |
| 08:52.49 | chem|st | vi_: company anme |
| 08:52.51 | chem|st | name |
| 08:52.58 | vi_ | japh: it is, it provides blowjobs, etc. |
| 08:53.04 | japh | :O |
| 08:53.11 | japh | those would be useful |
| 08:53.11 | vi_ | chem|st: is it open source? |
| 08:53.46 | chem|st | japh: I will get an N9 from CA and as soon as my GF buys a new one I will get it back from her and missing columbus is one of my showstoppers |
| 08:53.56 | vi_ | is this the postal/zip code? |
| 08:53.57 | vi_ | D-68535 |
| 08:54.10 | chem|st | vi_: yes |
| 08:54.14 | vi_ | chem|st: ty |
| 08:54.32 | chem|st | 68535 neckarhausen |
| 08:55.01 | chem|st | vi_: both yes zipcode aswell |
| 08:55.38 | japh | are people using their n9{,50}s with the default os..? |
| 08:55.51 | chem|st | japh: the question is how come you have a n950 to sell when all devices are loaners |
| 08:56.06 | japh | what should I answer now |
| 08:56.17 | chem|st | japh: you don't care?! |
| 08:56.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | the CA are gifts |
| 08:56.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | afaik |
| 08:56.43 | japh | well, chem|st... nokia doesn't care about us |
| 08:56.49 | japh | why would I care about them |
| 08:56.56 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: I did not find the answere on this but they are not out yet so current devices are not |
| 08:57.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | :nod: |
| 08:57.19 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: moo btw ;) |
| 08:57.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | except the commercial ones |
| 08:57.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | moo |
| 08:57.41 | chem|st | commercial ones ? |
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| 08:57.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | launchpad company |
| 08:58.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | "you're not allowd to sell for six(6) months" |
| 08:58.41 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: there is no info if they will be loaners or not and there is no info if the n9 is black-64GB or pink-16GB |
| 08:58.51 | chem|st | ah ok |
| 09:00.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | there've been probably way more DDP lauchpad N950 than community devel loaners |
| 09:01.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | afk o/ |
| 09:04.15 | vi_ | chem|st: my mother used to say 'those that ask no questions get told no lies.'. |
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| 09:08.06 | chem|st | vi_: true |
| 09:09.57 | [DarkGUNMAN] | well... looks like i'll have to send my n900 away to get repaired. USB port is nearing its borking point |
| 09:10.18 | vi_ | [DarkGUNMAN]: if you send it away, you will not get it back |
| 09:11.06 | [DarkGUNMAN] | sent a mail to sEKI to see if he can do it |
| 09:11.45 | [DarkGUNMAN] | the housing was easy enough, but heating the data pins is beyond me |
| 09:12.16 | [DarkGUNMAN] | way too small, and likely to melt the plastic inside if i rtry |
| 09:15.15 | [DarkGUNMAN] | otherwise it's looking likely i need a new port fitted |
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| 09:36.52 | ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2012/06/21/sony_shows_moth_eye_filter_film_for_smartphones/ |
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| 11:01.21 | zeq_laptop | is going to be busy for a few hours, but will look into fixing the 90deg off rotation and keyboard issues on fennec14 later, when I have time. |
| 11:02.47 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 11:03.15 | zeq_laptop | kind of spoilt the 3rd person effect there ;) |
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| 11:56.41 | Macer | wow |
| 11:56.46 | Macer | on my n900 now |
| 11:56.51 | Macer | been months heh |
| 12:04.57 | Jade | lol |
| 12:05.01 | Jade | i still use mine daily as phone |
| 12:05.20 | Jade | but when it breaks it's android time |
| 12:05.21 | Macer | my sim reader is messed up and i dont have tmob anymore anyways |
| 12:05.27 | Macer | android sucks heh |
| 12:05.34 | Jade | if only n950 hadb een released to the public |
| 12:05.35 | Macer | wp7 is better |
| 12:05.36 | Jade | yeah, i dont like it |
| 12:05.38 | Jade | but what else is there to buy |
| 12:05.45 | Jade | nothing lives up to maemo |
| 12:05.52 | Macer | sure doesnt :( |
| 12:05.57 | Macer | sigh |
| 12:06.04 | Macer | im in xterm on my phone |
| 12:06.10 | Macer | what can beat that? |
| 12:06.20 | Macer | with xforwarding support |
| 12:06.22 | Macer | :( |
| 12:06.39 | Macer | it was a sad day when nokia scrapped maemo |
| 12:10.14 | hiemanshu | and meego too |
| 12:10.24 | Macer | sigh |
| 12:10.35 | Macer | it comes in waves ;) |
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| 12:15.04 | vldcnst | can someone please tell me, on the round 2mm nokia connectors, is the inner the negative? |
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| 12:18.24 | Viltzu | no glx for n900? |
| 12:20.26 | teotwaki | vldcnst: The charging voltage is connected to the center pin and the ground is connected to the outer surface of the plug. |
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| 12:22.22 | vldcnst | teotwaki: thank you |
| 12:22.58 | teotwaki | vldcnst: https://www.google.com/search?q=nokia%202-mm%20dc%20charging%20interface%20specification%20v1.2 |
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| 12:45.42 | zeq_laptop | Viltzu: N900 has egl/gles2 not glx/opengl. |
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| 12:46.24 | zeq_laptop | Viltzu: You'll need to see if your app supports gles |
| 12:47.56 | Viltzu | Well it does support gles. |
| 12:59.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | hi |
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| 13:00.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | aaah |
| 13:00.53 | cehteh | hi doc |
| 13:03.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | vldcnst: almost nothing has plus on sleeve today |
| 13:03.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | no cars, no psu, no plug |
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| 13:19.55 | zeq_laptop | DocScrutinizer51: hi |
| 13:23.08 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: did you see fennec sunspider result? |
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| 13:44.09 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: Yes, I looked back through the backscroll |
| 13:44.27 | zeq_laptop | not bad |
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| 13:45.28 | zeq_laptop | it's definitely a lot better than the other fennec builds, apart from the rotation and keyboard issues |
| 13:47.21 | zeq_laptop | re. the rotation, I dont' know if you noticed, but it accesses the acceleratometer through the QAccelerometer API |
| 13:47.32 | merlin1991 | urgh |
| 13:47.40 | merlin1991 | why do they all do that? |
| 13:47.51 | merlin1991 | when there's h-d to take the grunt work? |
| 13:48.24 | zeq_laptop | doesn't qtm have an h-d API? |
| 13:49.03 | zeq_laptop | I'll be digging though it later, got a few things I have to do today before I can get hacking |
| 13:49.08 | freemangordon | merlin1991?: it is harmattan after all |
| 13:49.39 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: better leave h-d/rotation stuff to me ;) |
| 13:49.43 | zeq_laptop | that's the thing, qt-mobility does have Maemo5 support, but it's not well maintained |
| 13:50.03 | zeq_laptop | it probably has bugs |
| 13:50.21 | freemangordon | merlin1991: BTW it rotates on every direction, not only portrait/landskape |
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| 13:50.31 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: I noticed that |
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| 13:50.45 | zeq_laptop | what happens on the N9? |
| 13:51.08 | zeq_laptop | does anybody have an n9/950 with fennec? |
| 13:51.20 | merlin1991 | I have the firefox from ovi store |
| 13:51.36 | zeq_laptop | or even generally, on the N9 does it rotate every orientation? |
| 13:51.36 | freemangordon | the same as meego/nemo, some applications behave in that way (90 degrees error) even with the latest builds |
| 13:51.44 | freemangordon | NFC |
| 13:52.00 | zeq_laptop | an API change? |
| 13:52.03 | merlin1991 | rofl |
| 13:52.07 | merlin1991 | on harm it rotates everywehre |
| 13:52.09 | merlin1991 | BUT |
| 13:52.17 | zeq_laptop | assumes portrait is default? |
| 13:52.18 | merlin1991 | resets to landscape / portrait after that |
| 13:52.33 | merlin1991 | so inverted states revert again :D |
| 13:52.40 | freemangordon | WHAT? so it is upstream bug? |
| 13:52.54 | zeq_laptop | merlin1991: what is default orientation on Harmattan? |
| 13:52.59 | merlin1991 | portrait |
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| 13:53.10 | zeq_laptop | that might be it then? |
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| 13:53.29 | merlin1991 | it does regular landscape though |
| 13:53.38 | merlin1991 | only is odd on inverted portrait and inverted landscape |
| 13:53.42 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: there is no default on maemo5, it seems you spot it. let me try and eun it in portrait |
| 13:53.46 | zeq_laptop | except if the API doesn't account for the difference |
| 13:54.46 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 13:55.05 | zeq_laptop | qtm bug? |
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| 13:55.35 | zeq_laptop | I'll try building libqtm from upstream git |
| 13:55.51 | zeq_laptop | but it will have to be later as mentioned |
| 13:56.07 | freemangordon | yeah, ok |
| 13:56.23 | zeq_laptop | any idea about the keyboard, did you try it? |
| 13:56.57 | zeq_laptop | I'm not sure what API it's using for input |
| 13:57.51 | zeq_laptop | arrow keys aren't mapped corrently fn doesn't "stick" and only fn-nums work |
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| 14:00.29 | zeq_laptop | s/corrently/correctly/ |
| 14:02.21 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: no, will look at the code when I am back home |
| 14:03.57 | teotwaki | Our so called "QA" person came into my office, yelling at me |
| 14:04.05 | teotwaki | "The new version doesn't work, nothing works!" |
| 14:04.06 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: I might not be about, so if you want to be able to build it, here's what needs fixing to build: |
| 14:04.15 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: I was thinking is it possible to use that and replace microb backend instead of |
| 14:04.18 | teotwaki | (I'm the product manager for a VoIP server with callcentre management) |
| 14:04.32 | teotwaki | I ask her what's wrong, she goes "The web services don't work anymore" |
| 14:04.49 | teotwaki | "Is there an error message?" "No", she replies. |
| 14:05.09 | teotwaki | I have a look, sure enough, there's an error message: "Invalid URL specified" |
| 14:05.20 | teotwaki | She didn't put "http://" in the URL. |
| 14:05.23 | zeq_laptop | my backup files have been cleaned up, how annoying! |
| 14:05.45 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: I don't know, does it matter if it's qt? |
| 14:05.58 | freemangordon | yes, it should be gtk |
| 14:06.10 | zeq_laptop | it hooks into gtk functions? |
| 14:06.17 | teotwaki | When she realises she's at fault, she yells at me because there's no input control, that the URL should be validated prior to failing. |
| 14:06.19 | freemangordon | as it is GtkMozEmbed that is used |
| 14:06.32 | zeq_laptop | ok |
| 14:06.50 | teotwaki | I point out that it's her app, the one she created for QA testing that is at fault, not our front-end. |
| 14:06.52 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: I was just wondering |
| 14:06.56 | zeq_laptop | what't the ABI though? |
| 14:07.01 | freemangordon | NFC |
| 14:07.30 | freemangordon | browser-eal or something like that |
| 14:08.07 | zeq_laptop | I wonder if it really is GTK specific |
| 14:08.30 | freemangordon | merlin1991: what was that on TMO that one should uninstall bootimg package in order to upgrade to new cssu-thumb version? |
| 14:08.48 | merlin1991 | well ham was claiming a bogus conflict for me |
| 14:08.55 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: anyway, a couple of fixes to get it to build: |
| 14:08.58 | merlin1991 | so I uninstalled the bootimg packge and it went all fine after that |
| 14:09.01 | zeq_laptop | dom/system/unix/MaemoLocationProvider.cpp |
| 14:09.07 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: no idea. Anyway I won't start such a project without having womaxa on my side :D |
| 14:09.13 | merlin1991 | didn't have the time to look at the control files to find out why I had the problem in the first place |
| 14:09.27 | zeq_laptop | needs: |
| 14:09.30 | zeq_laptop | NS_IMETHODIMP MaemoLocationProvider::SetHighAccuracy(bool) |
| 14:09.30 | zeq_laptop | { return NS_OK; |
| 14:09.30 | zeq_laptop | } |
| 14:09.33 | freemangordon | merlin1991: did you update? |
| 14:09.39 | merlin1991 | yes |
| 14:09.49 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: better pastebin it |
| 14:10.07 | zeq_laptop | tell you what, I'll make a quick patch and pastebin that |
| 14:10.22 | freemangordon | yeah, the best option |
| 14:10.44 | freemangordon | is going afk for a while |
| 14:19.49 | vi_ | excuse my intrusion, but what are you compiling zeq_laptop? |
| 14:25.31 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: http://pastebin.com/ezArKCuG |
| 14:25.58 | zeq_laptop | you'll also need export PKG_CONFIG_PATH="/opt/qtm12/lib/pkgconfig" |
| 14:26.11 | zeq_laptop | in your mozocnfig |
| 14:26.24 | zeq_laptop | s/mozocnfig/mozconfig/ |
| 14:26.51 | zeq_laptop | and obviously the actual qtm12 .pc files there |
| 14:29.41 | zeq_laptop | full mozconfig: http://pastebin.com/zLhZ1d1j |
| 14:30.13 | zeq_laptop | if anybody else wants to give it a go, be my guest |
| 14:30.40 | zeq_laptop | vi_: it's fennec/qt/thumb/NEON |
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| 14:32.00 | zeq_laptop | vi_: it runs fast, but there are bugs atm |
| 14:32.27 | zeq_laptop | like autorotation being 90º off |
| 14:33.06 | zeq_laptop | see scrollback |
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| 14:33.54 | zeq_laptop | has some important offline tasks to perform... |
| 14:34.05 | zeq_laptop | bbl |
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| 15:36.02 | ivgalvez | freemangordon: ping |
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| 15:45.31 | zeq_laptop | merlin1991: do you know how rotation normally gets handled in hildon apps. Looking through the fennec code, the "MeeGo" rotation handling (which is what's being used for my fennec build) actually rotates the render surface in the app in response to orientation changes. |
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| 15:58.57 | zeq_laptop | From reading qorientationsensor.cpp in libqtm, fennec simply shouldn't be using that API for determining portrait/landscape at all. I don't know why it is!?! |
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| 16:01.58 | zeq_laptop | even funnier, the code in fennec looks to have been written by Nokia |
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| 16:08.32 | zeq_laptop | widget/qt/mozqorientationsensorfilter.cpp contains conversions between qt-mobility TopDown, TopUp, LeftUp and RightUp, and the fennec APIs mWindowRotationAngle in degrees, which is what's then used in widget/qt/nsWindow.cpp to determine whether to rotate the surface. |
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| 16:09.25 | zeq_laptop | realises nobody else is around right now and goes back to what he should be doing ... |
| 16:12.15 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: i just came back :) |
| 16:12.40 | freemangordon | ivgalvez: pong |
| 16:15.14 | Woody14619 | vi__: very delayed pong. :) |
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| 16:16.46 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: hi |
| 16:17.03 | zeq_laptop | did you read ^^ |
| 16:17.11 | freemangordon | yep |
| 16:17.18 | freemangordon | (not the code iself) |
| 16:17.38 | zeq_laptop | what do hildon apps do? |
| 16:17.47 | zeq_laptop | on rotation |
| 16:17.57 | zeq_laptop | just resize? |
| 16:18.09 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: nothing :D. we just have to #ifdef QT_MAEMO_5 that code |
| 16:18.15 | freemangordon | yep, just resize |
| 16:18.39 | freemangordon | hmm, let me check for the correct define |
| 16:19.07 | zeq_laptop | there is code in nsWindow.cpp for a "buffered painting mode" too |
| 16:19.19 | freemangordon | or even better, let me check what this code does |
| 16:19.27 | zeq_laptop | good idea :) |
| 16:20.03 | zeq_laptop | I'm here but I'm busy sorting laundry, so I might be slow to respond |
| 16:20.09 | zeq_laptop | :) |
| 16:20.17 | freemangordon | :) |
| 16:20.18 | freemangordon | ok |
| 16:21.39 | zeq_laptop | I think we should be able to ifdef out the rotation code and plugin hildon support |
| 16:22.09 | zeq_laptop | I don't know if you noticed but in portrait fennec is much slower at painting |
| 16:24.06 | freemangordon | yep. BTW hildon support consist of connect(QApplication::desktop(), SIGNAL(resized(int)), this, SLOT(orientationChanged())); |
| 16:24.07 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: there's a flag to enable h-d rotation, right? |
| 16:24.13 | freemangordon | yes |
| 16:24.24 | freemangordon | setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation, true); |
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| 16:24.44 | freemangordon | plus sever other performance tweaks, gimme some time to look at the code |
| 16:24.49 | freemangordon | *several |
| 16:24.49 | zeq_laptop | ok |
| 16:25.55 | freemangordon | aah, there is gtk2 under widget :D, nice |
| 16:26.38 | zeq_laptop | yes, there is gtk code too, but apparently it's not nearly as fast |
| 16:26.51 | zeq_laptop | could be a limitation of gtk2<3 |
| 16:26.52 | ivgalvez | fremangordon: don't forget to send me your Nokia Developers ID |
| 16:27.10 | freemangordon | ivgalvez: sure, isn't 25th a deadline? |
| 16:27.26 | freemangordon | *the deadline |
| 16:27.34 | ivgalvez | yep, but almost everyone has already sent them |
| 16:28.01 | freemangordon | ok, will do it later |
| 16:28.21 | ivgalvez | ok, the sooner I send it to Nokia, the sooner you'll receive the device |
| 16:28.30 | freemangordon | :D yeah |
| 16:28.47 | freemangordon | I was just wondering which address to write there |
| 16:28.54 | freemangordon | home or office |
| 16:30.58 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: maybe we should disable MOZ_ENABLE_QTMOBILITY at all |
| 16:31.16 | zeq_laptop | it's handy for the geolocation stuff though at least |
| 16:31.28 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 16:31.55 | zeq_laptop | it's also possible the accelerometer can be used by web apps |
| 16:32.08 | zeq_laptop | (speculation) |
| 16:33.14 | zeq_laptop | as a basic browser it doesn't matter, but with a modern full-feature mozilla we get full HTML5 app support |
| 16:33.39 | zeq_laptop | qt-mobility, in theory should allow those apps to use device feature |
| 16:33.43 | zeq_laptop | features |
| 16:34.07 | freemangordon | yep, agree. Did you grep for all places GetWindowRotationAngle is called? |
| 16:34.35 | freemangordon | and where is your patch, so I can build it here |
| 16:34.45 | zeq_laptop | No, I was just trying to trace where the rotation angle was coming from |
| 16:35.26 | zeq_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.37 | zeq_laptop | http://pastebin.com/zLhZ1d1j |
| 16:35.38 | freemangordon | ok, gimme the patch, I will remove gOrientationFilter and compiler will tell me where is is called :D |
| 16:36.09 | freemangordon | thanks |
| 16:36.15 | zeq_laptop | you need to make sure you have the libqtm11 pkgconfig files |
| 16:36.41 | freemangordon | 11? |
| 16:36.46 | freemangordon | or 12? |
| 16:37.01 | zeq_laptop | 12 |
| 16:37.05 | freemangordon | ok |
| 16:37.49 | zeq_laptop | some of the qtm -dev packages are broken wrt installing them |
| 16:38.06 | freemangordon | will see |
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| 16:41.12 | zeq_laptop | it would be nice to have both updated microb and fennec, they both have quite different functionality. microb has nice cut and paste for example, fennec currently lacks it! |
| 16:41.43 | freemangordon | fennec has copy/paste :P |
| 16:41.51 | freemangordon | press and hold |
| 16:42.05 | zeq_laptop | it does? :) |
| 16:42.16 | freemangordon | yep |
| 16:42.23 | zeq_laptop | oh well, must have come in recently... :$ |
| 16:42.51 | zeq_laptop | ok... nice gesture support in microb ;) |
| 16:43.08 | freemangordon | at least your build gives select all/copy all |
| 16:43.14 | freemangordon | yeah |
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| 16:47.59 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: how's the build going? |
| 16:48.29 | freemangordon | fast :D |
| 16:49.37 | zeq_laptop | no breakages yet from gOrientationFilter removal? |
| 16:50.27 | freemangordon | still not removed |
| 16:50.38 | freemangordon | I want to be sure I can build that first |
| 16:50.50 | zeq_laptop | sensible |
| 16:52.24 | zeq_laptop | according to grep, it's only used in nsWindow.cpp |
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| 16:54.09 | freemangordon | thats very goot |
| 16:54.13 | freemangordon | *good |
| 16:55.36 | freemangordon | ivgalvez: sorry for the stupid question, where am I supposed to send my Nokia developer ID |
| 16:56.43 | freemangordon | "/home/maemo/workspace/tmp/fennec-14.0b7/mozilla-beta/dom/system/unix/QTMLocationProvider.h:40:34: fatal error: QGeoPositionInfoSource: No such file or directory |
| 16:56.43 | freemangordon | " |
| 16:56.53 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: ^^^ |
| 16:57.17 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: it failed to find your qtm12 pkgconfig files |
| 16:57.41 | freemangordon | yeah :( |
| 16:58.27 | zeq_laptop | buildsystem doesn't give much warning |
| 16:58.30 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: I am stupid, I don't have them :D |
| 16:58.36 | zeq_laptop | LOL |
| 16:58.40 | zeq_laptop | I did say to check :) |
| 16:58.47 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 16:59.08 | freemangordon | but I have qtm1.0.2, should I uninstall it? |
| 16:59.18 | zeq_laptop | no need |
| 16:59.26 | zeq_laptop | the PKG_CONFIG_PATH means look here first |
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| 17:00.52 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: But I have QGeoPositionInfoSource |
| 17:01.07 | freemangordon | even without qtm12 installed |
| 17:01.30 | freemangordon | let me check configure |
| 17:02.29 | zeq_laptop | it will look in $QTDIR/include |
| 17:02.35 | zeq_laptop | which resolves to /include |
| 17:02.40 | freemangordon | damn, that is what pkg-config --cflags QtLocation spits |
| 17:02.50 | freemangordon | -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include |
| 17:02.58 | freemangordon | going to fix that first |
| 17:05.02 | zeq_laptop | I did try building against earlier libqtm first btw |
| 17:06.23 | zeq_laptop | not all the needed APIs were there though as I recall |
| 17:07.04 | freemangordon | ok, going to include qtm12 |
| 17:07.10 | freemangordon | *install |
| 17:07.43 | zeq_laptop | there seems to be two versions in the repos |
| 17:07.47 | zeq_laptop | of qtm12 |
| 17:07.56 | zeq_laptop | monolithic and modular |
| 17:09.04 | zeq_laptop | the monolithic at least doesn't install the pkgconfigs, I fixed that here before I realised the other version was available. I don't know if the modular version installs them or not. |
| 17:10.19 | freemangordon | hmm, the fastest way is to just add QtLocation/ in the source |
| 17:10.37 | freemangordon | will fix qt-mobility later |
| 17:10.45 | zeq_laptop | as long as you get the right one |
| 17:11.14 | freemangordon | well, lets try with what I have, compilation is fast here. and AFAIK qtm12 is in extras-devel |
| 17:11.51 | zeq_laptop | ok |
| 17:12.27 | zeq_laptop | fwiw qtm-12 is the current stable version |
| 17:12.54 | freemangordon | in extras? |
| 17:12.57 | freemangordon | great |
| 17:13.03 | zeq_laptop | I nean upstream |
| 17:14.00 | freemangordon | aah |
| 17:14.01 | freemangordon | :) |
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| 17:14.47 | freemangordon | feels ashamed it takes two council members to remind him to send his Nokia dev id for CA |
| 17:15.34 | zeq_laptop | so what are you going to do with your 950? |
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| 17:18.45 | zeq_laptop | are we going to have a thumb-extras repo? |
| 17:18.46 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: it's a secret |
| 17:19.16 | zeq_laptop | ah forget I asked ;) |
| 17:19.20 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: qho knows, maybe, lets all that noise around nokia cease first |
| 17:19.52 | zeq_laptop | I don't think they'll be around much longer tbh |
| 17:20.02 | freemangordon | yeah :( |
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| 17:20.36 | freemangordon | yes, QFeedbackEffect is missing |
| 17:20.49 | freemangordon | going to install qtm-12 |
| 17:22.39 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: how is the package called? |
| 17:23.00 | zeq_laptop | libqtm-12-dev I think |
| 17:23.25 | zeq_laptop | I think there are two versions though as I mentioned |
| 17:23.40 | zeq_laptop | in different repos, not checked which, where though |
| 17:26.12 | zeq_laptop | I have a version on my server |
| 17:27.08 | zeq_laptop | http://www.snewbury.org.uk/libqtm-12-dev_1.2.0+git20111104-0nd~fremantle6_armel.deb |
| 17:27.23 | zeq_laptop | http://www.snewbury.org.uk/libqtm-12_1.2.0+git20111104-0nd~fremantle6_armel.deb |
| 17:27.30 | zeq_laptop | if that helps |
| 17:27.37 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: ^ |
| 17:27.43 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: but I need to find what is in repos |
| 17:27.49 | zeq_laptop | ok |
| 17:27.51 | freemangordon | gimme some time |
| 17:33.29 | freemangordon | the version in extras is broken, installing from extras-devel |
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| 17:37.10 | freemangordon | installed, starting the compilation |
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| 17:50.02 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: is it enough to add PKG_CONFIG=/opt/qtm12/lib/pkgconfig:$(PKG_CONFIG) in debian/rules? |
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| 18:01.59 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: PKG_CONFIG_PATH |
| 18:02.09 | freemangordon | yeah, typo |
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| 18:03.04 | zeq_laptop | if it likely to be defined in the environment? |
| 18:03.31 | zeq_laptop | the default path is always searched after those listed in PKG_CONFIG_PATH |
| 18:03.39 | freemangordon | yep |
| 18:04.06 | zeq_laptop | sucess now? |
| 18:04.17 | freemangordon | building |
| 18:04.20 | zeq_laptop | s/sucess/success/ |
| 18:05.27 | freemangordon | though it won't finish till GF is ready with her make-up, so I won't be able to see the result in a couple of hours :) |
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| 18:09.35 | freemangordon | is afk |
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| 18:36.46 | zeq_laptop | how do you find which repo provides a particular pkg? |
| 18:36.52 | zeq_laptop | how do you find which repo provides a particular pkg? |
| 18:37.08 | zeq_laptop | echo in here :) |
| 18:40.19 | cehteh | apt-cache policy <package> |
| 18:40.47 | zeq_laptop | cehteh: thanks :) |
| 18:41.05 | zeq_laptop | okay, that's interesting |
| 18:41.21 | zeq_laptop | so libqtm-12 is a core package |
| 18:41.50 | zeq_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.52 | zeq_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.31 | zeq_laptop | Maintainer: Attila Csipa <attila.csipa@nokia.com> |
| 18:43.04 | zeq_laptop | Is Attila Csipa still maintainer? |
| 18:44.39 | cehteh | anyone left at nokia? |
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| 18:45.15 | zeq_laptop | is that rhetorical? |
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| 18:45.20 | cehteh | yes :) |
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| 18:45.30 | zeq_laptop | :( |
| 18:45.52 | zeq_laptop | I guess there's a few pkgs going to need new maintainers |
| 18:46.22 | zeq_laptop | I guess that makes it CSSU material though, right? |
| 18:46.27 | Sicelo | Congrats to N9(50) reciepients (to be) |
| 18:46.29 | Sicelo | :) |
| 18:46.29 | cehteh | yeah .. go and adopt bme please :) |
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| 18:49.13 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer*: what are the limitations of hostmode, i just dumbed down tried to use avrdude from easy-debian, that doesnt work |
| 18:50.22 | Sicelo | avrdude .. hmm :/ |
| 18:51.19 | Sicelo | mlwane: pm? |
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| 18:59.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: hmm? |
| 19:00.35 | cehteh | you know the usbasp avr burner? usb in software on a almost naked atmega |
| 19:00.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | err somewhat |
| 19:00.54 | cehteh | when i plug it in then lsusb doesnt list it and seems to time out |
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| 19:01.09 | cehteh | prolly it has a very rudimentary usb implementation |
| 19:01.37 | cehteh | also when i plug in my keyboard it works .. but when i plug a hub inbetween it doesnt work |
| 19:02.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 19:02.40 | cehteh | i have no idea and no intent to investigate that much more, just asking if you are aware of any shortcomings |
| 19:03.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need to trigger ENUM manually, for each new device plugged in |
| 19:03.14 | cehteh | negotiation of transfer speed? standard compliance? .. |
| 19:03.23 | cehteh | how to? |
| 19:03.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | click "enum"? |
| 19:03.41 | cehteh | i did |
| 19:03.59 | cehteh | comes back with 'no filesystem found' or somethnig like that |
| 19:04.04 | cehteh | lemme try again |
| 19:04.44 | Sicelo | there is no FS of course for a keyboard |
| 19:04.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | what fscking fs? on a kbd? |
| 19:04.55 | cehteh | btw starting hen stopps bme .. but exiting it doesnt restart bme, at least not reliable (i didnt used it often yet) |
| 19:05.08 | cehteh | moment maybe i remember the error wrong |
| 19:05.50 | Sicelo | cehteh: DocScrutinizer05 published a new booston/off script in which that's fixed (stopping and starting bme, i mean) |
| 19:06.03 | cehteh | how can i find out the speed level of a given device? (on a laptop) |
| 19:06.18 | cehteh | i dont know if the avr programmer is low speed or full speed |
| 19:06.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | syslog |
| 19:06.44 | Sicelo | makes a note too :P |
| 19:06.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | or lsusb |
| 19:06.56 | cehteh | [781875.028557] usb 7-2: new low-speed USB device number 32 using uhci_hcd |
| 19:06.58 | cehteh | thanks :( |
| 19:07.00 | cehteh | :) |
| 19:08.35 | cehteh | ok .. from the host it works (not debian chroot) |
| 19:08.50 | cehteh | maybe its a missing usbfs mount or whatever |
| 19:08.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | with a hub attached and enumerated you shouldn't need manual enum for devices plugged to hub later on, iirc |
| 19:09.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | why T F would you want to run h-e-n in a chroot= |
| 19:09.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 19:09.33 | cehteh | error message is (german) "Verbindung kann nicht hergestellt werden, da kein Dateisystem verfügbar ist" .. as notification after i enum it |
| 19:09.42 | cehteh | not that |
| 19:09.53 | cehteh | i started hen from outside |
| 19:10.10 | cehteh | but the avr toolchain is in the chroot and has no access to the usb programmer |
| 19:10.15 | cehteh | (but it sees the keyboard) |
| 19:10.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's after hitting "mount" |
| 19:10.19 | cehteh | no |
| 19:10.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't mount a kbd |
| 19:10.35 | cehteh | i definitive hit 'enum' ... and thats reproducible |
| 19:10.42 | cehteh | programmer now, not keyboard |
| 19:10.59 | cehteh | does it try to automount? |
| 19:11.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc, check syslog |
| 19:11.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe new ke-ecv does |
| 19:11.35 | cehteh | barf :P |
| 19:11.38 | cehteh | well nothing in syslog |
| 19:12.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | who's telli ng this then? |
| 19:12.23 | cehteh | maybe :) .. no idea |
| 19:12.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | A) never use "autostart filemanager" option in h-e-n |
| 19:12.59 | cehteh | *now* lsusb lists the device (from chroot) |
| 19:13.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | B) check syslog |
| 19:13.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | there has to be sth in there |
| 19:13.21 | cehteh | good that i talked with you .. bugs are scared by you and vanish :P |
| 19:13.40 | cehteh | ealier i tried serveral times and it didnt worked :P |
| 19:13.49 | cehteh | maybe some timing/sync problems |
| 19:14.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | stay patient, it all takes its time |
| 19:15.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | USB well takes 30s sometimes, to init |
| 19:15.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | even on my laptop |
| 19:15.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | some peripherals aren't exactly lightning fast |
| 19:16.09 | cehteh | oh . here on my laptop its almost always instant |
| 19:16.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | and after al the peri needs to *boot* after you hit "vboost" |
| 19:17.36 | cehteh | nice setup now n900 - chargingcable - female:female adapter - usbcable - naked programmer pcb - ribbon cable - selfglued adaper - rc helicopter :) |
| 19:17.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, enjoy |
| 19:17.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | waves and heads out for dinner |
| 19:17.53 | cehteh | cu :) |
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| 19:29.47 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: I notice the Maemo5 support code is still in the gtk2 widget, I'm going to try porting it over to the qt widget. |
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| 19:33.07 | vi__ | Woody14619: |
| 19:33.09 | vi__ | Woody14619: ping |
| 19:33.29 | Woody14619 | vi__:pong |
| 19:33.35 | Woody14619 | Whats up? :) |
| 19:34.01 | vi__ | Woody14619: just ignore them haterz. |
| 19:34.17 | vi__ | abill_uk is a fucking penis. |
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| 19:35.08 | Woody14619 | Yes.. I know... but to some degree, especially with Aris, I need to make the point that this is far more helpfull the the "Harmattan community"... |
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| 19:36.07 | Woody14619 | I susspect he's the Estel of Harmattan... Though I'm not sure if/whom that would be insulting to... Probably both of them... |
| 19:36.54 | Sicelo | Lol Woody14619 |
| 19:41.23 | chem|st | Woody14619: estel is more of the combination of pupnik and abill_uk |
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| 19:41.50 | Woody14619 | avoids this converstaion.... |
| 19:41.54 | chem|st | :) |
| 19:42.09 | chem|st | what does abill do AGAIN? |
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| 19:42.49 | vi__ | chem|st: he is the result of the uk welfare state. |
| 19:43.34 | vi__ | The only prize I saw as controversial was 'Matan'. |
| 19:43.34 | chem|st | vi__: fat ugly proll in front of a pc? |
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| 19:43.56 | vi__ | chem|st: A little right of centre politically are we chem|st ;) |
| 19:44.28 | chem|st | vi__: actually not, but I know some of those :) |
| 19:44.46 | chem|st | if you are speaking of result that comes to mind... |
| 19:46.30 | ZogG_laptop | Woody14619: i'm the one who is asking questions on that thread too, and i want to ask you to ignore trolls, as when you answer it makes harder to see other questions and comments =) |
| 19:47.15 | ZogG_laptop | Matan was hard with community but contributed a lot |
| 19:47.32 | vi__ | ZogG_laptop: matan went AWOL well over a year ago. |
| 19:48.01 | vi__ | Which is totally cool, however it does somewhat tarnish your status as a community champion. |
| 19:48.20 | chem|st | vi__: AWOL applies to others too |
| 19:48.52 | Woody14619 | vi__: he has been active a bit recently behind the sceens too though. And frankly, the same could be said of others who have since come back. |
| 19:49.39 | Woody14619 | vi__: and really, do you think he'll get a shiny new toy and not fall into the trap of contributing again? It's like handing a pipe to a crack addict... I almost felt bad doing it. |
| 19:49.49 | chem|st | vi__: as it is/was about the PAST in community I am more about those who are commonly freshmen |
| 19:49.55 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: i'm not judging members, at least i don't want to accuse though i have few question marks, but it would be too much and unfair as always people would think different and accuse but some points of council getting devices are not right in any option |
| 19:50.34 | vi__ | Woody14619: Heh, you drug pimpin' SOaB. |
| 19:50.36 | ZogG_laptop | chem|st: me too |
| 19:51.43 | vi__ | ZogG_laptop: I think the problem is what counts as community contribution. |
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| 19:51.54 | ZogG_laptop | i was out for a long from #maemo and i don't know all the people on list but most i know as i was an active memeber when i had n900 and even if i didn't contributed euf i do remember those who did. maybe they give you double feeling but you know their names not for nothing |
| 19:51.57 | vi__ | ^./, |
| 19:52.04 | SpeedEvil | :wave Zog |
| 19:52.11 | ZogG_laptop | SpeedEvil: sup |
| 19:52.20 | SpeedEvil | I am eating Pizza. |
| 19:52.21 | vi__ | is defined vaguely. |
| 19:52.26 | SpeedEvil | (not strictly on-topic) |
| 19:52.41 | vi__ | ZogG_laptop: wait, you are matan? |
| 19:52.49 | ZogG_laptop | SpeedEvil: what adds? |
| 19:53.08 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.19 | badxboy | hello |
| 19:53.23 | ZogG_laptop | i like mushrooms in any food |
| 19:53.36 | ZogG_laptop | i would eat mushroom icecream |
| 19:53.43 | vi__ | ZogG_laptop: ZogG_laptop==matan? |
| 19:53.52 | vi__ | badxboy: hello. |
| 19:54.57 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: ??? |
| 19:55.11 | vi__ | ZogG_laptop: I guess not then :p |
| 19:55.23 | ZogG_laptop | i don't know him personally and never talked to him, but he is from my country if you mean that =) |
| 19:56.31 | badxboy | if i said i hate maemo will anyone kick me fo saying that? (just asking) |
| 19:56.36 | vi__ | What is Arie's obsession with harmattan? I mean the CA were for community activity, not to encourage harmattan development? |
| 19:56.40 | vi__ | badxboy: nope. |
| 19:56.45 | badxboy | good |
| 19:56.47 | vi__ | badxboy: I hate maemo too. |
| 19:56.49 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: i was here a while ago and i always was ZogG here, people do remember me |
| 19:56.55 | vi__ | Especially maemo 5. |
| 19:57.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi__: sure? |
| 19:57.11 | vi__ | It is a hack-ass pile of WTF that somehow works. |
| 19:57.25 | badxboy | i dont hate it but you can say im not even a maemo usr :P |
| 19:57.28 | vi__ | However it is the best mobile OS available. |
| 19:57.52 | badxboy | thats why im here |
| 19:58.01 | badxboy | i want to ask something |
| 19:58.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | earning kickpoints? |
| 19:58.13 | vi__ | badxboy: proceed. |
| 19:58.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | asking is good |
| 19:58.27 | vi__ | ~kickpoints |
| 19:58.37 | badxboy | im an android usr... |
| 19:58.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | bad karma |
| 19:58.46 | badxboy | user* |
| 19:58.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | still no crime |
| 19:59.01 | ZogG_laptop | i loved maemo 5 |
| 19:59.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway |
| 19:59.23 | vi__ | badxboy: I am sorry to hear that. |
| 19:59.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ask |
| 19:59.29 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 20:00.02 | vi__ | ~aske |
| 20:00.08 | ZogG_laptop | badxboy: there are wp users among us =) |
| 20:00.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | wordperfect? really??? |
| 20:00.46 | badxboy | i want to ask is it possible to run (ubuntu/maemo/linux) on android? |
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| 20:01.08 | vi__ | badxboy: lol |
| 20:01.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe/no/yes |
| 20:01.11 | badxboy | ... |
| 20:01.33 | badxboy | i geuss no... |
| 20:01.43 | badxboy | ok thx anyways :P |
| 20:02.04 | ZogG_laptop | badxboy: you want to run apps or system and if yes than it depends on device i think and drivers and other things you would need to rewrite/re do and mostly they would be closed source |
| 20:02.07 | vi__ | linux is a kernel, maemo is a platfor specific wad of stuff and ubuntu is a distribution. |
| 20:02.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | if you want maemo, you want N900 |
| 20:02.37 | vi__ | If you want linux on a pocket device you want an n900 |
| 20:02.45 | vi__ | if you want a smartphone you want an android. |
| 20:02.52 | ZogG_laptop | badxboy: but you can check on mer or nemo projects and maybe collabrate with devs to port to your device, i think it might be possible |
| 20:03.12 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: is you want smart phone you want WP7 =) |
| 20:03.19 | ZogG_laptop | is trolling |
| 20:04.04 | vi__ | as for running linux on an android (laymans terms) you can kind of run linux simultaneously but you cannot have any graphics without shitty VNC hacks. |
| 20:04.53 | badxboy | i know a way to run ubuntu via vnc with a pc |
| 20:05.30 | badxboy | with windows 7 |
| 20:07.05 | badxboy | i think the htc hd2 can run ubuntu, but its originaly windows mobile |
| 20:07.42 | badxboy | originally* |
| 20:08.26 | badxboy | thats why i thought it would be posslible for an android device |
| 20:09.31 | vi__ | can the n950 battery be replaced (with a screwdriver?) |
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| 20:10.10 | Sicelo | badxboy: i have a chinese friend who has an HTC android.. poor guy tried all he could, until one day he just quit trying. :/ |
| 20:10.27 | badxboy | ... |
| 20:10.39 | Sicelo | to boot linux natively, i mean |
| 20:11.09 | badxboy | i have a motorola milestone not a htc device :/ |
| 20:11.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi__: yes |
| 20:11.31 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer51: a 12MP camera? WTF? |
| 20:11.35 | badxboy | but one of my mates is using a htc hd2 |
| 20:11.43 | vi__ | BL-4D |
| 20:12.23 | Sicelo | badxboy: i'm not a dev. :P |
| 20:12.54 | Sicelo | i think your best bet is some chroot+vnc, as vi__ said already. |
| 20:13.05 | badxboy | and im not a dev thats why im not even trying, im just searching for a way to do that |
| 20:13.37 | badxboy | and the vnc will be slow |
| 20:15.03 | Sicelo | get an N900 :P |
| 20:15.23 | Viltzu | asdf Problem with MegeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_wheezy_main_binary-armel_Packages |
| 20:15.32 | Viltzu | The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 20:15.44 | Viltzu | When trying to do apt-get update in scratchbox |
| 20:16.00 | badxboy | i dont want an n900 |
| 20:16.03 | Viltzu | Need that dep so I can install libboost 1.49 :P |
| 20:17.17 | Sicelo | good luck. |
| 20:17.21 | Viltzu | Another way is then to compile boost 1.49.. |
| 20:17.25 | Sicelo | turns to other stuff |
| 20:19.28 | badxboy | oh yeah and i read that its possible to run any img OS via bochs (its an app for android), but it will be slow because its running on top of android |
| 20:20.02 | badxboy | ok thank for the tips :D bye guys |
| 20:21.26 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: i think there are videos of disassamle of n950 |
| 20:26.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | no problem |
| 20:27.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | unscrew, slide in fingernail at speaker |
| 20:27.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | between plastic and body |
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| 20:27.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | just don't think you can remove alu while keeping plastic ends in place |
| 20:28.37 | ZogG_laptop | ruskie: till around? |
| 20:29.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | frowns at incredibly obfuscated crappy android repo diagnostic prints |
| 20:31.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Receiving objects: 86% (781/904), 92.54 MiB | 88 KiB/s ects: 86% (781/904), 91.97 MiB | 96 KiB/s iB/s |
| 20:46.26 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: I've just merged arcean's hildon-desktop double->float conversion into your thumb-testing branch and rebuilt with NEON support. Backing up first before testing it... :) |
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| 20:49.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | WUT??? FLOAT in H-D?? |
| 20:49.42 | merlin1991 | huh? what did I miss |
| 20:49.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ |
| 20:51.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | devine insanity |
| 20:53.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | suggests to reimplement gstreamer plugins in infinite-decimals-BDC |
| 20:53.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | BCD |
| 20:54.00 | merlin1991 | nah DocScrutinizer05 I think the actual patch is about float -> double -> float conversions in h-d |
| 20:54.05 | merlin1991 | some silly stuff there |
| 20:55.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | there SHOULD NOT be any floats in H-D at all |
| 20:55.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~2119 |
| 20:55.45 | infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. |
| 20:56.05 | merlin1991 | as if double were better |
| 20:56.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | waaaay better |
| 20:56.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | you think 2 + 3 = 5, in float?? |
| 20:57.07 | merlin1991 | ah yeah just to make you rage more, since you live in germany it's quite possible your energy provider quite possible uses an mdm/amr that has float to store the deltas |
| 20:57.23 | merlin1991 | too much possible in that sentence xD |
| 20:58.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | as long as I don't miss the holiday in the caribic award for the 10.000.000 kWh as the counter jumps from 9.999.999,999899921 to 10.000.000,000000023651653 |
| 20:59.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | in real there IS NO such thing like 10.000.000 plain |
| 21:00.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'd assume this will bite our ass (away) for H-D |
| 21:00.57 | ZogG_laptop | if you take blue pill you 'll find out how deep the rabbit hole is, it you take red pill ... |
| 21:01.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | as definitely some idiot did "if (a == b) {..." in there |
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| 21:01.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | for reals the == comparator is forbidden |
| 21:01.54 | ZogG_laptop | ~H-D |
| 21:02.03 | ZogG_laptop | is it hildon or what? |
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| 21:04.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/reals/floats/ |
| 21:05.53 | cehteh | forbidden isnt really true .. but some people may be surprised by the results |
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| 21:14.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | to make things worse, N900 CPU is really really weak on floats |
| 21:15.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I wonder WTF for you need a float accuracy on a screen with 800*480 |
| 21:15.36 | zeq_laptop | N900 isn't weak on floats if you use NEON |
| 21:15.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn, a gifted coder handles that stuff with int16 |
| 21:15.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | zeq_laptop: are you sure, yes? |
| 21:15.58 | zeq_laptop | it's just that the VFPLite is insanely slow |
| 21:16.07 | zeq_laptop | Absolutely sure |
| 21:16.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh |
| 21:16.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | then tell me why qt got abyssmally slow when using floats for gfx |
| 21:17.03 | zeq_laptop | because it wasn't using neon? |
| 21:17.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know how math coprocs work? |
| 21:18.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know the diff in CPU cycles between a R3 / R4 vs a div_float( R4, R3)? |
| 21:18.29 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer51 trolls oldschool =0) |
| 21:19.29 | zeq_laptop | actually no, I don't. I'd have to look it up. But yes simple integer math is going to be much slower |
| 21:19.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | you, Sir, made it off my /ignore for very unknown reasons |
| 21:19.57 | zeq_laptop | faster* |
| 21:20.02 | zeq_laptop | typo |
| 21:20.45 | zeq_laptop | I know back in the early days FP was handled through a trap handler |
| 21:20.49 | zeq_laptop | on ARMs |
| 21:21.08 | zeq_laptop | in those days using floats was crazy insane |
| 21:21.21 | zeq_laptop | yet people still did, because it made coding much easier |
| 21:22.45 | zeq_laptop | even though for every float op the cpu had to generate an illegal instruction and have the OS execute a handler to perform the op before restoring normal excecution |
| 21:22.55 | zeq_laptop | am I on ignore? |
| 21:23.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | not you |
| 21:23.39 | ZogG_laptop | i think me |
| 21:24.12 | zeq_laptop | oh ok |
| 21:24.39 | ZogG_laptop | i just think people can advise and suggest instead beeing "O RLY?" or "IT's STUPUD" =) |
| 21:25.36 | ZogG_laptop | s/i/DocScrutinizer51,i/ |
| 21:26.10 | zeq_laptop | It doesn't worry me, I respect Doc, I just not as ignorant about ARM CPUs as he might have thought |
| 21:26.42 | zeq_laptop | it's an interesting topic |
| 21:26.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I asked |
| 21:27.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm actually not absolutely sure myself, so I asked if you have hard numbers |
| 21:27.33 | zeq_laptop | The thing about ARMs is there's really never been a standard FP coproc |
| 21:27.41 | ZogG_laptop | i don't have any clue in this topic as the most DocScrutinizer51 is an expert, it just amuse the way he react =) and not in the bad way, as i just know him for a while here =) |
| 21:27.47 | vi__ | "I did absolutely nothing for Harmattan and I don't plan to." --freemangordon on winning an N950. |
| 21:28.01 | vi__ | Trollmode highest level. |
| 21:28.11 | ZogG_laptop | vi__: yeah i saw it, he made my day |
| 21:28.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: sanest statement ever ;-D |
| 21:29.12 | zeq_laptop | that is funny |
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| 21:36.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | zeq_laptop: honestly, I think your post "yet people still did, because it made coding much easier" was absolutely to the point and still valid nowadays. And your other considerations regarding speed of int32 math vs neon accelerated float math are as well, though maybe not as extreme as they been a few years and CPU generations ago |
| 21:37.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ARMv4(?) not even had a hw-div |
| 21:37.51 | zeq_laptop | nope. ARM1 didn't even have hw-mul! |
| 21:38.46 | zeq_laptop | not that many used an ARM1 ;) |
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| 21:39.04 | zeq_laptop | kind of wanted one at the time though |
| 21:39.36 | zeq_laptop | second CPU for BBC Micro tube bus |
| 21:40.44 | ZogG_laptop | freemangordon: man, you are on fire on that thread, but you as well flooding it with arguing =\ |
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| 21:45.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | nowanyway afaik you still need to shove your 64bit operands to the NEON, and after executing the math op you need to pull the result from there |
| 21:46.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | -now |
| 21:46.23 | vi__ | well THAT thread is escalating quickly. |
| 21:47.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | am I missing another lesson why I usually don't read tmo? ;-P |
| 21:48.38 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer51: there are nice thing there too btw |
| 21:48.45 | ZogG_laptop | oh i forgot you ignore me |
| 21:49.36 | zeq_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: if you want to rewrite hildon-desktop to use integer math... :) |
| 21:49.50 | zeq_laptop | anyway it seems to be working ok :) |
| 21:49.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd actually suggest that |
| 21:50.20 | zeq_laptop | it isn't a bad idea, but it is quite a project |
| 21:50.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | shouldn't be too hard |
| 21:50.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it's coded with floats it needs a tough code review anyway ;-) |
| 21:51.20 | zeq_laptop | true :) |
| 21:51.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | as devels using floats usually do it the wrong way |
| 21:51.41 | zeq_laptop | there are probably easier targers for float elminination in the stack though |
| 21:51.51 | zeq_laptop | s/targers/targets/ |
| 21:52.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | qt comes to mind, but then otoh that's probably a really heavy project |
| 21:52.30 | zeq_laptop | I'd be all for removing any usage of vfp at all |
| 21:52.54 | zeq_laptop | at least that way neon optimized code has a chance of running properly without stalls |
| 21:53.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah stalls |
| 21:54.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | needs to switch to 64bit OS on his 8GB RAM laptop |
| 21:54.15 | zeq_laptop | yes you do :) |
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| 21:55.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd bet it are the malloc() that cause these nasty 30s stalls |
| 21:55.26 | zeq_laptop | 30s!?! |
| 21:55.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 21:55.33 | zeq_laptop | ouch |
| 21:55.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 21:56.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | *might* be the graca as well |
| 21:57.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | (lenovo T500 with external gfx card) |
| 21:57.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe a combination of both |
| 21:57.47 | zeq_laptop | external? dockingstation? displaylink? |
| 21:58.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, this dual-graca thing |
| 21:58.07 | zeq_laptop | hybrid |
| 21:58.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | chipset intl graca plus dedicated |
| 21:59.05 | zeq_laptop | never heard of it and google doesn't seem to help |
| 21:59.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess this AMD graca driver has maybe problems with 8GB RAM |
| 21:59.34 | zeq_laptop | ATI HD5870? |
| 22:00.00 | zeq_laptop | what OS do you use doc? |
| 22:00.07 | zeq_laptop | on the laptop |
| 22:01.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | Suse12.1 |
| 22:01.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV635 [Mobility Radeon HD 3650] |
| 22:03.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus the standard intel chipset integrated gfx |
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| 22:03.45 | ShadowJK | latencytop? |
| 22:04.00 | ShadowJK | btw, on Cortex a8, neon can execute in parallell with arm :) |
| 22:04.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | windows7 allegedly can switch on the fly |
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| 22:04.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: doesn't help much when ARM doesn't have anything to do meanwhile ;-D |
| 22:05.30 | zeq_laptop | hildon-desktop definite feels snappier |
| 22:05.38 | zeq_laptop | maybe placebo though :) |
| 22:05.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | with NEON? |
| 22:05.50 | zeq_laptop | app menu in particular |
| 22:05.58 | zeq_laptop | yes |
| 22:06.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | or what exactly got changed so it snaps now? |
| 22:06.52 | ShadowJK | It hardly does anything, dunno how it could be snappier :P |
| 22:07.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: scrolling does a bit |
| 22:07.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | scaling prolly too |
| 22:07.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | and transitions... DUH |
| 22:08.10 | zeq_laptop | I rebased this https://gitorious.org/~arcean/community-ssu/arceans-hildon-desktop-float on top of the thumb-testing version |
| 22:08.36 | zeq_laptop | then compiled with -fmpu=neon |
| 22:08.51 | zeq_laptop | I wasn't actually expecting a perceptable difference |
| 22:08.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and arceans-HD-float does what? as compared to std hd |
| 22:09.16 | zeq_laptop | elimitates unnecessary usage of double |
| 22:09.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 22:09.37 | zeq_laptop | VFP and NEON don't really do double |
| 22:10.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, not wasting 2 registers for one var for sure makes a hellufalot of diff |
| 22:10.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | compiler tries to pass function args in registers |
| 22:10.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | this limits args to functions to 4 * 32bit iirc |
| 22:10.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise stack |
| 22:10.44 | zeq_laptop | yup |
| 22:11.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | using 64bit vars obviously defeats the strategy |
| 22:11.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | let alone the math |
| 22:12.02 | ShadowJK | hm, I thought hardfp was about passing float/double in registers? And currently the ABI passes float/double on stack? |
| 22:12.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: yup, but aiui NEON regs |
| 22:12.54 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 22:13.09 | jacekowski | it doesn't really matter that much |
| 22:13.13 | jacekowski | stack is cache backed anyways |
| 22:13.32 | ShadowJK | vaguely recalls meego people saying it gave speed boost |
| 22:13.51 | jacekowski | yeah, maybe |
| 22:13.57 | jacekowski | i can't see it being huge |
| 22:14.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | but you need to push before gosub (err branch), and pop afterwards |
| 22:14.08 | jacekowski | i would say it's somewhere between minimal and immeasurable |
| 22:14.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | avoiding uselass doubles in vars makes a lot of sense |
| 22:15.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | every day |
| 22:15.38 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: on x86 x86 can execute in parallel with x86 |
| 22:15.48 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 22:15.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 22:15.52 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: and well, on arm is parallel with arm |
| 22:16.01 | jacekowski | it's not exactly sequential execution |
| 22:16.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | massively |
| 22:16.17 | jacekowski | instructions are executed in parallel with each other |
| 22:16.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup |
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| 22:17.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, past midnight already |
| 22:17.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | now that we have a nice bunch of savvy people here, discussing interesting stuff |
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| 22:18.31 | ShadowJK | tomorrow is public holiday here |
| 22:18.34 | ShadowJK | midsummer :) |
| 22:18.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha, you're late |
| 22:18.45 | zeq_laptop | yes, it's a good discussion, but I'd better get to bed! |
| 22:19.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | zeq_laptop: I'd appreciate continuing this discussion next day |
| 22:20.01 | zeq_laptop | sounds good DocScrutinizer05. night all! |
| 22:20.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | n8 |
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| 22:22.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: wasn't longest day like 4:34 last night? |
| 22:23.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even the night before?? |
| 22:23.50 | ShadowJK | maybe, but public holiday in middle of week is pointless |
| 22:24.02 | ShadowJK | you need a long weekend to get rid of hangovers |
| 22:24.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah well, I guess you celebrate midsummer on 22nd of June each year |
| 22:25.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | or do you actually celebrate on first Friday after astronomical event? |
| 22:25.19 | ShadowJK | "Since 1955, the holiday has always been on a Saturday (between June 20 and June 26). Earlier it was always on June 24. Many of the celebrations of midsummer take place on midsummer eve, when many workplaces are closed and shops must close their doors at noon." |
| 22:25.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah |
| 22:25.58 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | sooooo, did no "letter" arrive at yours today? |
| 22:26.33 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, yes. |
| 22:26.42 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, or else what? |
| 22:26.48 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, you get fined |
| 22:27.15 | GeneralAntilles | Pff |
| 22:27.19 | GeneralAntilles | That's idiotic. |
| 22:27.28 | GeneralAntilles | Even, say, grocery stores? |
| 22:27.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's Europe |
| 22:27.43 | GeneralAntilles | Europe is idiotic. :P |
| 22:27.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothern Eu actually |
| 22:28.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | in Spain I think they never got such laws |
| 22:28.37 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05, nope, the tracking number doesn't seem active on finnish post yet |
| 22:28.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | use the german website! |
| 22:29.36 | ShadowJK | "Es ist ein Fehler aufgetreten. Der Administator wurde benachrichtigt und wird sich des Problems annehmen." |
| 22:30.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
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| 22:31.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that "tracking" is useless anyway. Seems to know two events: delivered to postoffice, and delivered to addressee |
| 22:31.40 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, it depends on the size of the store. A small kiosk or corner shop would be able to stay open. They'd probably have shortened hours too though, the staff is probably anxious to take off their clothes and run off into the forest to celebrate with copious amounts of alcohol |
| 22:31.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | nuttin in between the two |
| 22:32.26 | ShadowJK | Usually things show up on .fi post website latest when it has arrived in the country, before it's passed on to customs |
| 22:32.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like you really have fun over there |
| 22:32.57 | ShadowJK | I think midsummer is one of the top-3 holidays of the year |
| 22:33.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | take off your clothes and run into the forrest with some bottles of Vodka |
| 22:33.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | X-P |
| 22:34.47 | Raimu | In Finland, take the vodka and run into a lake |
| 22:34.57 | ShadowJK | I think the culture of having a house or cabin retreat in a hard to reach place, with hardly any comforts of civilization available, is a bit confusing to outsiders too |
| 22:35.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 22:35.30 | ShadowJK | Looks like it'll be nice weather, so I bet there'll be about 40 deaths due to breathing water this year :P |
| 22:35.36 | Raimu | Yes. |
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| 22:35.54 | Raimu | Some guys had a deadpool going again - to guess the closest amount of drunken drowning Finn deaths. |
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| 22:37.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | how many die from getting eaten by mosquitos? |
| 22:37.40 | ShadowJK | Radio was doing a "tell us the most stupid thing you've done on midsummer while intoxicated" show yesterday. One guy called in and said he passed out on an inflatable matress, woke up surrounded by water in every direction, and eventually the next day drifted ashore in another city |
| 22:38.04 | Raimu | Very apocalyptic. |
| 22:38.24 | ShadowJK | is mosquito hardened now, took 3 weeks |
| 22:38.50 | ZogG_laptop | hardened? |
| 22:39.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | thick varnish of dirt and bodylotion? ;-) |
| 22:39.24 | Raimu | Exposure therapy. :) |
| 22:39.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | eeew |
| 22:39.36 | ShadowJK | ZogG_laptop, half of the bites sting a little bit when they happen, after they happened, none leave any lasting itches marks or anything |
| 22:39.51 | ShadowJK | Yeah, exposure therapy.. |
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| 22:41.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably the best thing I could do withj a mossi bite is drill it out. with a 10mm drill. Would result in easily healing little injury, compared to what those bites do to me otherwise |
| 22:42.22 | ShadowJK | lol |
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| 22:43.04 | freemangordon | vi_: you have something to say 'bout my statement :P |
| 22:43.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, it's raining here, since 30min. Nice! As I can open up the windows now |
| 22:44.05 | Raimu | DocScrutinizer05: Drill @_@ |
| 22:44.09 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: get an umbrella |
| 22:44.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq, this android download ate all my 8GB RAM for buffers |
| 22:44.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: why? |
| 22:44.45 | freemangordon | just in case |
| 22:45.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm sitting in my living room and enjoy the fresh mossi-less air |
| 22:45.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | from open window |
| 22:45.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | been a tad *too* hot and hunid the last 3 days |
| 22:45.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | humid* |
| 22:45.59 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: and I had several Jacks already, I hope I will be forgiven :) |
| 22:46.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 22:46.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | waves and heads out, direction bedroom |
| 22:52.52 | ZogG_laptop | ShadowJK: i was in army last week, we slept outside - i hardly could fell asleep as i left mouth outside of sleep bag to breath (it was to hot) and all lips were bitten =( |
| 22:55.48 | ShadowJK | I was too tired to care about mosquitos when it eventually was time to sleep, and the southern mosquitos felt benign relative to here |
| 22:57.16 | ZogG_laptop | ShadowJK: i was exosted after training too but still it woke me up all 3 nights =( |
| 22:57.48 | ZogG_laptop | someone told me that mosquito can smell for target for kilometrs |
| 22:57.59 | ZogG_laptop | can be true but hard to imagine |
| 22:58.18 | ShadowJK | I once saw a mosquito trying to bite my N810's display frame, right after I had used it |
| 22:58.21 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 23:00.35 | ZogG_laptop | lol |
| 23:00.46 | ZogG_laptop | he was drinkingpixel |
| 23:01.14 | Raimu | The liquid crystals... they're BLOOD |
| 23:01.32 | ZogG_laptop | my friend told me if you quick enuf to stretch sking where it bits you get he tramped and it can't stop drinking so it explode of over blood, i need to check it |
| 23:02.49 | ZogG_laptop | ShadowJK: you should take a pictue and write slogan " n810 is more than a compiuter, he is my soulmate" (to compare to person) |
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| 23:21.24 | Woody14619 | Well.. that was fun... But I'm all out of popcorn (and patience for dealing with blowhards...) :) |
| 23:22.36 | GeneralAntilles | Welcome to the life of a community council member. |
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| 23:45.20 | Woody14619 | Lol... Thanks GA. ;) |