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| 00:14.45 | brzys | hey guyz |
| 00:15.11 | brzys | im trying to mount img on my n900 but im getting an error: "mount: mounting /dev/loop0 on /mnt failed: Invalid argument", any ideas? |
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| 00:25.07 | cehteh | how do you try that? |
| 00:25.26 | cehteh | filesystem not in kernel/ not loaded? |
| 00:27.15 | brzys | mount -o loop,offset=3225 slitaz.img .slitaz |
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| 00:57.22 | cehteh | brzys: give the filesystem type |
| 00:57.44 | cehteh | and modprobe the filesystem if you dont have so |
| 00:58.24 | cehteh | autodetection may work to but iirc you need -t auto at least then (and it can be unreliable in few cases) |
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| 03:00.48 | EdLin | somebody claimed that Nokia said in their shareholder minutes that maemo.org was going to get shut down, is anything being done about that? |
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| 03:08.49 | Sc0rpius | that's a fact indeed, and there's a thread in talk.maemo.org about it |
| 03:09.11 | LaoLang_cool | oh, bad news |
| 03:09.33 | EdLin | Sc0rpius, if I got a nokia n900, as a sort of upgrade to my n810 and as a new device to hack with, would the repositories become shut down? |
| 03:09.47 | Sc0rpius | yeah, everything will be down |
| 03:10.06 | Sc0rpius | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84933 |
| 03:10.08 | EdLin | Sc0rpius, I assume I could just plug in the new repositories, are there mirrors yet? |
| 03:10.09 | Sc0rpius | read that thread |
| 03:10.20 | Sc0rpius | and who's paying |
| 03:10.28 | Sc0rpius | who will pay new repositories, new websites, new everything? |
| 03:10.45 | EdLin | Sc0rpius, it'd be possible to host the repositories somewhere, plenty of Linux distributions do this. |
| 03:10.46 | Sc0rpius | while nobody is paying, there's no solution. |
| 03:11.07 | Sc0rpius | you can start reading the whole thread first, understanding it, and then post your comment and ideas there. |
| 03:11.28 | EdLin | Do I have to? Lots of trolls on TMO. :) |
| 03:12.19 | EdLin | I already read the first couple of pages. |
| 03:12.47 | EdLin | what I don't see is anyone stepping forward to try to find mirrors who'll take the maemo repos. |
| 03:13.12 | Sc0rpius | well |
| 03:13.19 | EdLin | unfortunately I haven't been in academia for a long time, or I'd have the connections neccesary to arrange it. |
| 03:13.21 | Sc0rpius | it's not that easy that's why I'm pointing to the thread |
| 03:13.27 | EdLin | but someone is. |
| 03:13.52 | Sc0rpius | Nokia should sell the domains, because if you create new repos, people at talk.maemo.org and this channel will find out, but we're only like 1% of the MAemo users worldwide. |
| 03:14.01 | Sc0rpius | and the other 99% can't be fucked up like that |
| 03:14.11 | Sc0rpius | so the domain names should be kept identical |
| 03:14.14 | EdLin | there are non-enthusiasts who use the n900? |
| 03:14.32 | Sc0rpius | if there are 500,000 N900 users in the world, only 1,000 go to maemo.org |
| 03:14.50 | Sc0rpius | I have found many N900 users and never heard about maemo.org |
| 03:15.03 | EdLin | as for Nokia selling the domains, look at what the MS-owned-and-operated management did with the N9 and consider the chances that they would avoid fucking us over. |
| 03:15.35 | EdLin | I mean, it won't hurt to ask. |
| 03:15.40 | EdLin | but don't count on it. |
| 03:15.46 | Sc0rpius | that's what the council is for |
| 03:16.11 | EdLin | well, does the council appear to have that on their agenda? |
| 03:16.29 | Sc0rpius | I don't know you can ask Estel when he's around (he usually is) |
| 03:17.03 | Sc0rpius | but I think that has been addressed in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84647 |
| 03:17.26 | EdLin | I'm concerned that one day my n810 will be inoperative, and until I heard this news, was considering switching to an n900. But if nobody seems interested in doing anything but moving on to bigger or better things.... |
| 03:18.15 | Sc0rpius | you don't have an N900?¿ |
| 03:18.34 | ShadowJK | I currently have 2 working N900s |
| 03:18.35 | Sc0rpius | I wouldn't suggest anyone TODAY to get one, or an N9, or any other already-dropped-and-forgotten Nokia |
| 03:19.03 | Sc0rpius | and anyway there's no place left to buy one hehe |
| 03:19.05 | ShadowJK | As N810 replacement, N900 is fine. |
| 03:19.14 | ShadowJK | Depends what aspects of N810 you like |
| 03:19.33 | EdLin | Sc0rpius, I have an n810, considering getting an n900 on eBay. |
| 03:19.55 | EdLin | ShadowJK, I like that it's like a small Linux computer, rather than a locked down phone thingie. |
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| 03:20.52 | ShadowJK | N9 is a bit locked down, N900 is like "install rootshell from app manager, type root in x-terminal", and you've got full access |
| 03:21.31 | EdLin | ShadowJK, so I hear, that's why I want a n900 rather than an n9. Price also plays a role, ebay sells n900s more in my budget range. |
| 03:22.27 | Sc0rpius | :S |
| 03:22.28 | EdLin | but if the repos will go belly-under, with everyone doing nothing but whine about it, I think I'll stick to hacking my HD2 with various closed sorts of operating systems. |
| 03:22.35 | Sc0rpius | N900 is already 5 years old |
| 03:22.48 | EdLin | no, it's from 2009. |
| 03:22.56 | Sc0rpius | well, 3 years old, that's a lot for a phone |
| 03:22.59 | EdLin | true. |
| 03:23.04 | ShadowJK | December 2009 |
| 03:23.06 | EdLin | but nothing else has come along like it. |
| 03:23.17 | Sc0rpius | true... |
| 03:23.18 | Sc0rpius | and never will |
| 03:23.35 | ShadowJK | maemo.org has guaranteed funding until end of year, iirc |
| 03:23.49 | Sc0rpius | the world is not ready for 100% OpenSource OSes yet. The world is not ready for not making tons and tons of money selling a phone |
| 03:23.53 | EdLin | that's 6 months. |
| 03:24.00 | ShadowJK | And there are more than one person doing daily mirrors of it... |
| 03:24.10 | EdLin | ShadowJK, that's nice to hear. |
| 03:24.13 | ShadowJK | it works on 12 month cycles, iirc |
| 03:24.53 | ShadowJK | People disappear on vacation in June, return in September-ish and start looking at what to fund |
| 03:25.05 | ShadowJK | or something like that |
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| 03:25.31 | EdLin | ShadowJK, yeah, Europeans have real vacations. ;-) |
| 03:26.06 | EdLin | here you're part of the ruling class if you get 2 weeks. |
| 03:26.28 | ShadowJK | Well it's that northern europe starts in June, and southern europe starts in septemner, so it takes until october until you can expect nobody to be missing |
| 03:26.52 | EdLin | I see. |
| 03:28.14 | EdLin | so that means, assuming 6 months notice, we can probably assume maemo devices will have working repos until April of next year. |
| 03:29.01 | EdLin | that gives the council plenty of time to work with the community to find an alternative, instead of saying not to worry about it. |
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| 04:21.42 | luke-jr | Sc0rpius: Think N900 will one day run a 100% open source OS? :P |
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| 05:49.24 | kerio | luke-jr: well, CSSU is getting pretty close, isn't it |
| 05:50.11 | luke-jr | kerio: doubt it, but I don't really follow CSSU |
| 05:50.39 | luke-jr | kerio: Maemo was only like 40% open source to begin with; replacing most of the system doesn't seem so trivial |
| 05:50.52 | kerio | yeah but that's what they've been doing :) |
| 05:51.14 | luke-jr | and there's stuff like the GLES drivers that are huge efforts to recreate |
| 05:51.28 | kerio | anyway, the n900 is from 2009 but it was outdated at launch |
| 05:51.42 | luke-jr | yeah, nothing better yet tho :/ |
| 05:51.48 | kerio | yeah :( |
| 05:52.03 | kerio | i really hate the fact that i'm probably just going to get a galaxy s3 |
| 05:52.14 | kerio | and deal with the awful OS |
| 05:52.24 | luke-jr | I really hope I win a N950 |
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| 05:57.09 | LaoLang_cool | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.49 | kerio | LaoLang_cool: wrong editor |
| 05:59.20 | LaoLang_cool | kerio, I really like it on n900 |
| 05:59.29 | kerio | but... emacs! :c |
| 06:03.57 | LaoLang_cool | kerio, heh, vim is the only reason I choose n900 |
| 06:04.07 | luke-jr | but nano |
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| 07:04.08 | zeq_laptop | I'm trying to rebuild qtm11/12, I've fixed a couple of unexpected build bugs in the maemo support (how did it build successfully previously?). Now apparently, it needs an updated libtpsession, so I tried to check it out from vcs.maemo.org, but the SSL cert expired on 30/12/11!?! |
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| 07:16.59 | zeq_laptop | never mind, it's a libtelepathy-qt4 change that's causing the build failure |
| 07:26.08 | zeq_laptop | *sigh* where did qt-mobility-1.14 even come from? http://get.qt.nokia.com/qt/add-ons/ has the latest 1.1 version @1.1.3... git checkout I suppose... |
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| 07:41.24 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: seems like libqtm-11 isn't maintained anymore, last commit from from September last year, and it no longer compiles against our current version of libtelepathy-qt4. I could fix it, but should I just concentrate on libqtm-12 instead? Is there any reason for the non-modular packaging with libqtm-12? |
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| 08:20.45 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: I've successfully built both now. While I'm working on this, should I change the packaging for libqtm12 to match libqtm11, and/or update the libqtm12 snapshot? |
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| 09:03.17 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: hmm, how you will distribute those, through CSSU-thumb? through extras-devel? We'd better ask merlin1991, maybe those should be made a part from CSSU |
| 09:03.50 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: I am really not the best person to ask about packaging :) |
| 09:04.02 | freemangordon | merlin1991: ^^^ |
| 09:04.37 | zeq_laptop | who's using qtm12 is the question |
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| 09:05.59 | zeq_laptop | I'm going to be away for a few hours, I'll have my N900, so I'll be on IRC, but won't be able to work on anything or necessarily reply straight away |
| 09:05.59 | freemangordon | MohammadAG: sociality is using qt-mobility 1.2.0? qmltube? |
| 09:05.59 | brzys | cehteh, i tried with -t ext3 or -t auto - sorry for reply, i just fall sleep xD |
| 09:06.08 | brzys | sorry for long reply* |
| 09:06.37 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: did you successfuly build fennec? |
| 09:06.40 | zeq_laptop | there seems to be an issue with libtpsession not being compatible with the version of telepathy-qt |
| 09:07.01 | zeq_laptop | it's building now against qtm12 so hopefully it will complete |
| 09:07.41 | MohammadAG | freemangordon: What does QtMobility have to do with qmltube? |
| 09:07.42 | zeq_laptop | it depends if I hit anything new :) |
| 09:07.42 | MohammadAG | But yeah, it uses QtM 1.2 for location and media playback |
| 09:07.48 | MohammadAG | It used phonon at some point afaik, but that didn't work |
| 09:08.32 | freemangordon | MohammadAG: we're trying to figure out what will break, see backscroll :) |
| 09:08.48 | zeq_laptop | is switching over to the N900 now |
| 09:09.07 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: hopefully nothing will! |
| 09:09.14 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 09:09.19 | MohammadAG | What will WHAT? |
| 09:09.25 | freemangordon | break |
| 09:09.34 | zeq_laptop | at the moment the only change other that rebuild is the inclusion of the pkgconfig files |
| 09:09.49 | freemangordon | gives MohammadAG a cup of coffe |
| 09:09.58 | freemangordon | *coffee |
| 09:09.59 | zeq_laptop | I was strange that I had to patch a few build breakages though |
| 09:10.13 | zeq_laptop | strange that it ever built in the first place |
| 09:10.28 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: unfortunately qtm maintainer seems to not care anymore |
| 09:10.28 | MohammadAG | Why would it break then :P |
| 09:10.44 | MohammadAG | freemangordon: Thanks, it's ice coffee right? |
| 09:10.44 | zeq_laptop | MohammadAG: that wouldn't break it |
| 09:10.58 | zeq_laptop | I was/am considering updating the snapshot |
| 09:11.02 | freemangordon | MohammadAG: irish |
| 09:11.12 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: where is that snapshot? |
| 09:11.30 | zeq_laptop | not sure probably -extras |
| 09:11.44 | zeq_laptop | I just pulled it in with apt-get source |
| 09:12.01 | zeq_laptop | didn't really pay attention |
| 09:12.28 | freemangordon | hmm, you need to be a maintainer in order to put the package in extras-devel |
| 09:12.44 | zeq | I'm away from the laptop now |
| 09:12.46 | freemangordon | *the maintainer of the package |
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| 09:13.17 | zeq | even if it's unmaintained? |
| 09:14.04 | freemangordon | well, there is a maintainer listed in extras, even if not active. You have to request maintainership |
| 09:15.26 | zeq | I guess I should fire off an email once I get this working |
| 09:16.42 | freemangordon | yep |
| 09:18.22 | zeq | any idea about tpsession and telepathy-qt4? |
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| 09:18.40 | freemangordon | no |
| 09:18.54 | zeq | tpsession seems to have been left to bit-rot by nokia |
| 09:20.34 | zeq | it doesn't build against telepathy-qt4 in (from CSSU I presume) |
| 09:22.10 | freemangordon | well, could be, what is in CSSU is 4.7.4 and it was build agains 4.7.0 |
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| 09:27.42 | SpeedEvil | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/06/20/049229/microsoft-to-pc-and-tablet-makers-youre-not-our-future - deeply scary. |
| 09:31.42 | freemangordon | SpeedEvil: why scary, effectively he is actually putting linux on these "other manifacturers PCs, laptops,..". Or you think Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc will stick to Win7 or some crippled Win8 version M$ is going to give them? |
| 09:34.20 | SpeedEvil | It's scary because it could lead to a future with a greatly reduced number of laptop makers, with lower investment. |
| 09:34.28 | SpeedEvil | And the best hardware will never run linux. |
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| 09:42.10 | teotwaki | Why never? |
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| 09:42.51 | SpeedEvil | The slashdot link. |
| 09:43.07 | SpeedEvil | Microsofts aspiration to be a hardware maker too. |
| 09:43.24 | teotwaki | I don't believe that, even if I have to rip out the HCM with my teeth and solder the shit out of my mobo so that I can run whatever I want, that's what I'll do. |
| 09:43.54 | teotwaki | Heck, I'm fairly sure that the same way we've got geeks making makerbots, we'll see alternate companies, small time, sure, but making mobos and whatnot that can run anything we want |
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| 09:44.35 | SpeedEvil | The problem then arises that the CPU is only sold with the trusted module installed. |
| 09:44.48 | SpeedEvil | And at best - if you can get 'blank' CPUs - you have to replace it. |
| 09:45.04 | SpeedEvil | If you can't, then you're faced with a brick. |
| 09:46.00 | teotwaki | Yeah, I don't see that happening |
| 09:46.21 | teotwaki | Even if Shuttleworth has to throw all his money at that lawsuit, he will. |
| 09:46.24 | SpeedEvil | It's already almost there. Some CPUs already pretty much support this. |
| 09:46.42 | SpeedEvil | err - what? |
| 09:47.07 | SpeedEvil | It's not illegal,if there are two hardware makers, as there isn't an anti-trust issue |
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| 09:47.28 | teotwaki | no, but we can sue them for preventing us from doing what we want with it. |
| 09:47.33 | SpeedEvil | Two locked-down hardware makers - apple/microsoft - are quite legal. |
| 09:47.36 | SpeedEvil | And lose. |
| 09:47.44 | SpeedEvil | You don't have to buy either tablet. |
| 09:47.53 | SpeedEvil | In principle, a third maker could startup. |
| 09:47.55 | teotwaki | Oh, I don't care about the tablet |
| 09:48.20 | SpeedEvil | By tablet, I mean 'computing device' |
| 09:50.04 | teotwaki | Well, I don't buy into all the whole FUD that goes around this time of year |
| 09:50.52 | teotwaki | GNU/Linux was developed to break free from the autocracy of Unix. I'm fairly certain we can do it a second time. |
| 09:51.09 | SpeedEvil | Hardware is a problem. |
| 09:51.14 | teotwaki | No, it's not. |
| 09:51.21 | teotwaki | Look at the hardware we have today, seriously. |
| 09:51.36 | teotwaki | We could run the same hardware for the next ten years, and not give a flying fuck. |
| 09:51.59 | SpeedEvil | If the end user cannoy purchase new hardware - your project has failed. |
| 09:52.11 | SpeedEvil | As a mass market idea. |
| 09:52.38 | teotwaki | I'm not saying that's what is going to happen |
| 09:52.58 | teotwaki | I'm just saying, Amiga is still around, heck, you still find forums for Apple II hobbyists, I doubt you can still buy the hardware. |
| 09:53.30 | teotwaki | And quite frankly, I don't _believe_ in the hardware apocalypse as it being told right now. |
| 09:53.54 | teotwaki | Fuck, I'll start a hardware company if need be. |
| 09:54.36 | SpeedEvil | To make a compelling entry into the tablet/laptop market, you are going to need >>10 million, if you do it from scratch. |
| 09:55.02 | teotwaki | That's not really a problem. |
| 09:55.03 | SpeedEvil | And that assumes you can get components. |
| 09:55.10 | teotwaki | 10M is nothing. |
| 09:55.29 | SpeedEvil | Where compelling = a couple of years old |
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| 09:57.58 | vi_ | SpeedEvil: I will just run vintage hardware forever then. |
| 09:58.06 | vi_ | They cannot take my P4 back. |
| 09:58.21 | vi_ | Vim is not getting any heavier. |
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| 09:58.29 | SpeedEvil | Until it dies. |
| 09:59.04 | teotwaki | yeah, I'm pretty sure eBay will disappear the day Microsoft goes Evil. |
| 09:59.17 | SpeedEvil | The above is somewhat pessimistic. |
| 09:59.33 | SpeedEvil | It neglects for example chinese tabletmakers, and android. |
| 09:59.43 | teotwaki | I don't believe for a single second that Microsoft is going to abandon the OEMs |
| 09:59.46 | teotwaki | I just _don't_. |
| 10:00.11 | SpeedEvil | But if microsoft + apple could get to the point that they integrate the hardware makers, and manage to capture most of the market - things just got a lot less flexible. |
| 10:00.13 | teotwaki | That's speculative bollocks, funded on nothing but a tin foil hat that's squeezed on a little too tight, and blocking the blood from reaching the brain. |
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| 10:00.33 | teotwaki | But Microsoft doesn't want that. |
| 10:00.47 | SpeedEvil | And several years ago, the notion that you cannot run your own programs on a computer would seem very tin-foil-hattish |
| 10:01.09 | teotwaki | Wait, I can't run my own programs on my computer? |
| 10:01.16 | teotwaki | OH LORD, I'VE BEEN LIVING A LIE! |
| 10:01.24 | teotwaki | anyway |
| 10:01.25 | teotwaki | lunch |
| 10:01.26 | teotwaki | 'later |
| 10:01.31 | SpeedEvil | Not on an apple computer, in many instances, without paying tax. |
| 10:12.59 | vi_ | I can confirm this. |
| 10:16.46 | kerio | SpeedEvil: not on an iphone |
| 10:16.54 | kerio | which is *far* from being a computer |
| 10:17.07 | kerio | for instance, you can't run your own programs on it, without paying a tax |
| 10:29.23 | vi_ | kerio: a iphone IS a computer. |
| 10:29.54 | kerio | vi_: it's a fucking phone |
| 10:30.02 | kerio | a n900 is a computer |
| 10:30.07 | vi_ | A locked down box with no controls and a fancy pants UI but a computer none the less. |
| 10:30.47 | mgedmin | this is like discussing whether a tree makes a sound when it falls down in a forest with nobody to hear |
| 10:31.01 | mgedmin | it depends on how you define "sound" -- or "computer" |
| 10:31.12 | kerio | if a tree falls down in a forest, and apple forces you to pay money to develop for it, is it really a computer? |
| 10:31.25 | kerio | no, wait |
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| 10:34.09 | vi_ | It must be an engineer thing to see things for what they are then. |
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| 10:42.49 | Lava_Croft | you know whats so funny about apple |
| 10:42.59 | Lava_Croft | i know tons of people who in their field are quite hacker-esque |
| 10:43.10 | Lava_Croft | say, create they own tools, edit stuff they bought and make it more to their liking |
| 10:43.26 | Lava_Croft | but when it comes to computers and mobiles, they all of a sudden happily embrace being locked down |
| 10:43.37 | Lava_Croft | and when confronted with this odd difference, they just shrug it off |
| 10:47.51 | kerio | Lava_Croft: the iphone is fucking horrible, and the mac pro is kinda meh |
| 10:47.56 | kerio | i mean, it's neat, but nothing really special |
| 10:48.06 | Lava_Croft | iphone is pretty special |
| 10:48.09 | kerio | but the imac is still the best all-in-one desktop |
| 10:48.11 | Lava_Croft | since its really good at the few things it can do |
| 10:48.18 | kerio | and their laptops are fucking awesome |
| 10:48.23 | Lava_Croft | better than nokia or samsung is at these few simple things |
| 10:48.36 | Lava_Croft | but only for those very few things |
| 10:57.30 | chem|st | Lava_Croft: you never had a phone doing those simple things better than iphone...? even my old sony blasts some iphone "features" still |
| 10:57.52 | Lava_Croft | too bad sony never sold more than 10 phones |
| 10:58.03 | Lava_Croft | while people buy silly iphone after silly overpriced iphone |
| 10:58.05 | Lava_Croft | so reality begs to differ |
| 10:58.36 | Sc0rpius | people buy iPhone to say they "can" buy an iPhone, it's like an status thing |
| 10:58.48 | Sc0rpius | like "I have more money than you, look, I drive a Ferrari and I have an iPhone" |
| 10:58.55 | Lava_Croft | not with the iphone users i know |
| 10:59.01 | Lava_Croft | they just want shit that works and feels solid |
| 10:59.03 | Sc0rpius | it's not because the phone is better than other options |
| 10:59.08 | Lava_Croft | but thats the point, it is |
| 10:59.12 | Lava_Croft | both software and hardware |
| 10:59.13 | Sc0rpius | not to me |
| 10:59.14 | chem|st | owning an iphone is like having 1000+ friends on facebook, status... |
| 10:59.17 | Lava_Croft | not to me either |
| 10:59.20 | Sc0rpius | to me an iPhone is pure crap |
| 10:59.21 | Lava_Croft | thats why im here |
| 10:59.26 | Lava_Croft | its not pure crap to me, im not a liar |
| 10:59.34 | Lava_Croft | crap is what samsung makes |
| 10:59.39 | Sc0rpius | I'd rather get a Galaxy S than an iPhone |
| 10:59.40 | chem|st | Lava_Croft: it is not in terms of software nore in terms of hardware |
| 10:59.41 | Lava_Croft | and just about any other android OEM |
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| 10:59.51 | Sc0rpius | oh well I love Samsung |
| 11:00.00 | Sc0rpius | all my TVs are Samsung and hell they are way better than Sonys |
| 11:00.00 | chem|st | Lava_Croft: nokia holds the position of best cameraphone for ages now |
| 11:00.21 | Lava_Croft | i should have know better than to say anything positive regarding iphones |
| 11:00.30 | Lava_Croft | you always get bitter nerds |
| 11:00.34 | Lava_Croft | have a nice day! |
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| 11:00.45 | Sc0rpius | :S |
| 11:00.48 | Lava_Croft | (and im a n900/n9 user) |
| 11:00.52 | Sc0rpius | funny thing I'm in a rock band how come I am a nerd |
| 11:00.59 | chem|st | Sc0rpius: that is because samsung has the best displays, in terms of smartTV they need to improve alot, in terms of 3D they need to improve a lot more! |
| 11:01.07 | Sc0rpius | I love those SmartTVs |
| 11:01.11 | Sc0rpius | I don't have one though |
| 11:01.17 | Sc0rpius | I have normal Samsung LCD TVs |
| 11:01.19 | Sc0rpius | not even LED |
| 11:01.55 | chem|st | Lava_Croft: bitter nerds? I could buy an iphone or two... but I just don't want this shit... |
| 11:02.12 | Sc0rpius | well my Apple hate is much deeper than that and more ancient |
| 11:02.16 | Lava_Croft | stay bitter |
| 11:02.19 | Lava_Croft | being bitter is very productive |
| 11:02.24 | chem|st | Sc0rpius: I have one, tested the newest gen as well |
| 11:02.25 | Sc0rpius | the only product Apple did absolutely right was the Apple ][c |
| 11:02.29 | Sc0rpius | and even then, the C64 was better. |
| 11:03.05 | Sc0rpius | Steve Jobs has alwasy been a fucking asshole that's why destiny, the devil, or maybe God punished him |
| 11:03.18 | Lava_Croft | you sound mentally disturbed |
| 11:03.21 | Lava_Croft | really |
| 11:03.23 | Sc0rpius | I'm full of hate |
| 11:03.25 | Sc0rpius | that's all |
| 11:03.29 | kerio | Sc0rpius: yeah, he totally deserved liver cancer, right |
| 11:03.31 | Lava_Croft | watch starwars |
| 11:03.36 | kerio | i don't even |
| 11:03.37 | Lava_Croft | theres a green midget in there with some sound advice |
| 11:04.04 | Sc0rpius | I don't know if he deserved it, but there's a saying where I come from that goes something like (it's hard in english) "if you act bad, bad things will happen to you" |
| 11:04.22 | chem|st | Sc0rpius: for artists there is much more "good" in apple than anywhere else, but that is the same with windows then... if those companies would migrate to linux noone would talk about microsoft or apple after 20years from now, apart from once upon a time.... |
| 11:04.22 | kerio | Sc0rpius: so... you're saying he deserved it |
| 11:04.26 | Sc0rpius | Lava_Croft, you really sound like an Apple lover |
| 11:04.35 | Lava_Croft | Sc0rpius: yes i dont mindlessly hate on apple |
| 11:04.37 | Sc0rpius | what's good in Apple? just myths |
| 11:04.38 | Sc0rpius | for example |
| 11:04.42 | Lava_Croft | so i must be an apple lover, right |
| 11:04.49 | Sc0rpius | there's a myth that a Mac is better for graphics design and stuff |
| 11:04.55 | Lava_Croft | this is exactly the mindset that ruins communities like these |
| 11:05.03 | Sc0rpius | that's so wrong that there isn't even Photoshop 64 bits for Macs |
| 11:05.04 | Lava_Croft | you hate so much on what is not your community/device |
| 11:05.08 | Lava_Croft | in an attempt to make your own look better |
| 11:05.16 | chem|st | Lava_Croft: I do not say this and that is the best, but all apple fanboys tell apple is the best... |
| 11:05.19 | Lava_Croft | but imagine that some vacuum cleaner salesman comes at your door |
| 11:05.22 | chem|st | and it isn't |
| 11:05.27 | Lava_Croft | and instead of tell you how awesome his vacuum cleaner is |
| 11:05.29 | chem|st | it is not even close to |
| 11:05.31 | Sc0rpius | well I'm the first one that always say NO to people that come here asking if they should get an N900 |
| 11:05.33 | kerio | Sc0rpius: you mean except photoshop cs5 |
| 11:05.33 | Lava_Croft | he starts to tell you how bad your current one is |
| 11:05.37 | Lava_Croft | thats a rather bad sales tactic |
| 11:05.41 | chem|st | it is what attracts dumb people |
| 11:05.46 | Lava_Croft | certainly when im already using the device you love so much |
| 11:05.48 | chem|st | like whatsapp for example |
| 11:05.49 | Sc0rpius | Lava_Croft, I could care less if you use an N9 N900 or an Android phone |
| 11:05.56 | Sc0rpius | but if you use Apple, you should be hated |
| 11:06.00 | chem|st | people jump on the bandwagon |
| 11:06.05 | Sc0rpius | by anyone, anywhere. |
| 11:06.18 | Lava_Croft | stay bitter |
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| 11:06.25 | Sc0rpius | :) |
| 11:06.31 | kerio | Sc0rpius: i would totally agree with you |
| 11:06.37 | kerio | except for the fact THAT THEY MAKE THE BEST LAPTOPS |
| 11:06.43 | Sc0rpius | but it's true what I said, Apple has just "fame" but they are not better in anything than other options. |
| 11:06.55 | kerio | nothing comes anywhere *close* |
| 11:07.06 | Sc0rpius | to a Macbook? |
| 11:07.08 | kerio | yep |
| 11:07.26 | Sc0rpius | I have had Asus laptops way better than any Macbook |
| 11:07.32 | kerio | i'm sure you tried many |
| 11:07.55 | Sc0rpius | like the beautiful Asus Zenbook Prime |
| 11:08.03 | Sc0rpius | way thinner than a Macbook |
| 11:08.04 | Sc0rpius | way lighter |
| 11:08.08 | Sc0rpius | way faster |
| 11:08.10 | Sc0rpius | and way cheaper. |
| 11:08.14 | kerio | ...and 13" at most |
| 11:08.17 | kerio | that's a netbook |
| 11:08.22 | kerio | don't be ridiculous |
| 11:08.34 | Sc0rpius | netbook with an i7? |
| 11:08.38 | Sc0rpius | don't think so. |
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| 11:09.05 | Sc0rpius | just 1.3 kgs, SSD drive, it's beautiful |
| 11:09.14 | chem|st | kerio: wrong again, the best laptop suits your needs and costs about 600eur, imagine the hardware you get for those 2k you would spend on a powerbook |
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| 11:09.51 | Sc0rpius | that's the point |
| 11:09.56 | Sc0rpius | I don't wanna spend 2 grand |
| 11:09.58 | kerio | chem|st: i'm sure i can get a 2880x1800 monitor, 7 hours of battery life on a 600€ laptop |
| 11:12.09 | joga | aren't the new macbooks basically impenetrable blobs of cost-a-lot that can't be fixed in rational ways |
| 11:12.14 | chem|st | kerio: you are nuts! |
| 11:12.42 | kerio | joga: yeah, ifixit called them "the least repairable macbook pro ever" |
| 11:12.45 | chem|st | kerio: what do you need that resolution for on a 13" laptop |
| 11:12.50 | kerio | chem|st: 15 |
| 11:12.56 | chem|st | or even 15? |
| 11:13.14 | kerio | idk, to do shit |
| 11:13.27 | chem|st | kerio: you don't know is exactly the right answere |
| 11:13.31 | kerio | indeed |
| 11:13.42 | Sc0rpius | which Macbook is that because the Apple Macbook Pro 15" is just 1366x768 |
| 11:13.55 | kerio | otoh, every time i moved to a monitor with a higher resolution, i enjoyed it more |
| 11:13.59 | kerio | Sc0rpius: the "retina" one |
| 11:14.07 | chem|st | selling stuff to people overpriced which the do not need is reflecting a good marketing |
| 11:14.19 | kerio | chem|st: is resolution *bad* now? |
| 11:14.33 | kerio | you're the kind of person to blame for monitor stagnation |
| 11:14.42 | kerio | the most you can get is fucking 1080p now, even for desktop monitors |
| 11:15.13 | kerio | chem|st: why do you need a quadcore? why do you need an ssd? |
| 11:15.23 | Sc0rpius | well at least a hybrid |
| 11:15.33 | Sc0rpius | but I don't think I need more than 1920x1080 |
| 11:15.44 | chem|st | kerio: I have a 40" TV on my desk... and would love to have 3840x2160 sure but it is not needed! |
| 11:15.55 | kerio | Sc0rpius: 1920x1200 (on a 17") is beginning to feel a bit cramped here, actually |
| 11:16.05 | chem|st | some like 2400x1400 would be fair enough |
| 11:16.12 | Sc0rpius | I have a 21" |
| 11:16.17 | Sc0rpius | or 22" |
| 11:16.21 | Sc0rpius | I don't use laptops |
| 11:16.26 | Sc0rpius | just desktops and netbooks |
| 11:16.50 | Sc0rpius | I have two monitors in this desktop, the first one with W7 and the second one with Ubuntu in a VM |
| 11:16.55 | chem|st | my netbook could use some mor in Y but it is just a 10" screen... |
| 11:17.01 | Sc0rpius | I can't live without both OS *at the same time* |
| 11:17.25 | Sc0rpius | my netbook has lubuntu which is incredibly fast. |
| 11:17.45 | Sc0rpius | if you have a netbook please format it and install that |
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| 11:18.42 | chem|st | Sc0rpius: never ever! have debian from scratch with ion3 on my netbook... |
| 11:19.06 | Sc0rpius | that's too slow |
| 11:19.17 | chem|st | you think |
| 11:19.31 | Sc0rpius | yup, try lubuntu in a flash drive (without touching your OS installed) |
| 11:19.37 | Sc0rpius | and you'll see the difference |
| 11:20.17 | chem|st | I get 5hours of videoplayback out of it and still have 30minutes left reading from the batterymeter |
| 11:20.22 | Sc0rpius | ion3 hasn't been updated since 2009 I think |
| 11:20.32 | Sc0rpius | well that's good |
| 11:20.38 | kerio | i'm using debian with openbox here |
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| 11:21.00 | kerio | i'm not convinced i could learn how to use a tiling wm :s |
| 11:21.20 | Sc0rpius | it's for keyboard fans |
| 11:21.26 | Sc0rpius | you don't even need to use the mouse |
| 11:24.43 | chem|st | kerio: quick search gives me a sony vaio for 900eur 15.5" 1920x1080 which is more than enough for that size |
| 11:24.45 | r00t|home | i use a tiling windowmanager and a mouse |
| 11:25.11 | kerio | chem|st: i'm glad that you hold the truth regarding screen sizes and resolutions |
| 11:25.28 | kerio | otoh, *i'm a bit cramped with 1920x1200* |
| 11:25.33 | r00t|home | the correlation between tiling and mouse-usage is only in user personalities... from a usage point of view, both non-tiling WMs can be operated with keyboard and tiling ones with mouse |
| 11:25.36 | kerio | so 1080p is most definetely not enough |
| 11:25.38 | chem|st | r00t|home: no mouse otg... and I dare you telling me to use that 2x4cm touchpad on my netbook... |
| 11:26.00 | chem|st | kerio: for 15"? |
| 11:26.02 | chem|st | it is |
| 11:26.05 | Sc0rpius | I wonder what kind of eyes you have because @ 1920x1080 I have to zoom all the fonts like 2x or 3x their size |
| 11:26.24 | Sc0rpius | or I start having headaches, and yes I wear glasses |
| 11:26.30 | kerio | Sc0rpius: the kind that hasn't been destroyed by old age yet |
| 11:26.35 | Sc0rpius | I see. |
| 11:26.38 | Sc0rpius | so you're younger than 40? |
| 11:26.42 | kerio | yep |
| 11:26.47 | Sc0rpius | that explains it. |
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| 11:48.22 | zeq | freemangordon: fennec build failed again because the mozilla configure doesn't use pkg-config for qt, but instead assumes all qt libs and includes are installed at QTDIR. I'll convert it to use pkg-config when I get home. |
| 11:50.13 | freemangordon | zeq: ok. BTW I still fail to see why did you play wtih qtm11/12 |
| 11:50.28 | freemangordon | what was missing in 1.0.2? |
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| 12:04.30 | zeq | freemangordon: it uses a few APIs not present in 1.0. I don't have the details of which particulars to hand though. |
| 12:04.40 | freemangordon | aaah, ok |
| 12:05.46 | freemangordon | zeq, the proper way to use qtm11/12 is to add config += mobility11(12) in .pro file |
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| 12:08.50 | Macer | SO |
| 12:09.03 | Macer | how are you eu members feeling about germany leading a 1T bailout of the EU? |
| 12:09.32 | Macer | they said $1T on the local news.. is it actually 1T euros? |
| 12:09.50 | Macer | germany is probably paying it with cash money |
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| 12:34.26 | Raimu | Nah, gold. |
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| 12:45.41 | chem|st | Macer: there is only 890Beurs available printed... afair, how would they pash that amount cash? |
| 12:46.30 | merlin1991 | chem|st: you ought to shift your hands into some direction on your keyboard, or you didn't have your coffee yet :P |
| 12:46.51 | chem|st | merlin1991: I just recognized... |
| 12:47.29 | chem|st | talking to somewone while looking at him and typing at the same time... does not work well |
| 12:48.22 | chem|st | and coffee is a good point... off to the machine! |
| 12:49.54 | Macer | haha |
| 12:50.09 | Macer | really? only 890B? |
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| 12:55.39 | vi_ | annoyed. |
| 12:55.49 | vi_ | Why is Germany bailing everyone out yet? |
| 12:55.57 | vi_ | ^yet/now |
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| 12:57.22 | vi_ | The only good thing I have seen come out of the EU is the no tax when buying somthing from an EU country, free(ish) movement when moving between member states and the harmonisation of micro USB as a standard phone charger. |
| 12:57.32 | vi_ | Fuck all their other retard rules. |
| 12:57.52 | vi_ | Anti-tampering motorcycle legislation can fuck off for example. |
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| 13:21.08 | chem|st | vi_: the fsck-off situation is that if euro-zone brakes most of the losses have to be paid by germany |
| 13:23.58 | teotwaki | I love the "mandatory ABS" on all new bikes thingie. |
| 13:24.09 | teotwaki | Because manufacturers will be forced to provide it |
| 13:24.15 | teotwaki | They'll do it at lowest possible cost |
| 13:24.35 | teotwaki | What we'll end up with are adventure/dirt bikes that are impossible to use, because the manufacturer didn't provide a way to turn off the ABS when needed. |
| 13:26.38 | freemangordon | WTF? mandatory ABS on bikes? hehe, those guys in EU parlament are crazy. |
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| 13:31.59 | vi_ | teotwaki: so you hve heard of the dumbass rules to come? |
| 13:32.12 | vi_ | mandatory hi-vis. |
| 13:32.17 | teotwaki | yeah |
| 13:32.23 | teotwaki | I don't care. |
| 13:32.35 | vi_ | Gonnae look great on my cruiser with wizards airbrushed in the tank. |
| 13:32.43 | vi_ | (i dont have a cruiser) |
| 13:33.15 | teotwaki | The same way they've been "forcing" me to add reflective material to my mate helmet. |
| 13:33.32 | vi_ | wtf is a mate helmet? |
| 13:33.37 | vi_ | Is that a helmet for mating? |
| 13:33.51 | vi_ | Are they making you hi-vis your dong, bro? |
| 13:34.24 | merlin1991 | wtf abs on a bikes? |
| 13:34.27 | merlin1991 | -a |
| 13:34.49 | vi_ | merlin1991: MOTORbikes |
| 13:34.57 | merlin1991 | vi_: that makes a lot more sense |
| 13:35.06 | merlin1991 | on the other hand do we have mandatory abs on cars? |
| 13:35.12 | merlin1991 | ie my car doesn't have abs :D |
| 13:35.27 | vi_ | Also no modification of anything from the 'powertrain'. |
| 13:35.44 | vi_ | That is from the air filter to the sprocket at the back. |
| 13:36.04 | vi_ | Imagine the iphone of Mbikes if you will. |
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| 13:36.18 | vi_ | You can 'own' it as such, but you cannot 'use' it. |
| 13:37.06 | vi_ | merlin1991: neither does mine, however my car is about 1 step from being a rolling skip. |
| 13:37.11 | jacekowski | merlin1991: abs on bikes is a lot more usefull thing than on a car |
| 13:37.25 | jacekowski | merlin1991: if your wheel lock on a bike that's it |
| 13:37.33 | jacekowski | locks* |
| 13:37.45 | vi_ | jacekowski: have you seen speedway? |
| 13:38.05 | jacekowski | what that has to do with it |
| 13:38.05 | merlin1991 | dunno my 106 gets quite some rotation when I make an emergency stop |
| 13:38.46 | merlin1991 | 50 to 0 in minumum time has me facing 90° different than before I start breaking |
| 13:39.24 | jacekowski | fix your brakes |
| 13:39.24 | vi_ | Well in the UK we have 1 minister who rides a bike and he has allegedly been the voice of reason. He has been arguing for concessions such as not including the whole ODB2 thing and 'turn-off-able' ABS. |
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| 13:39.47 | jacekowski | vi_: well, i don't think it should be mandatory |
| 13:39.48 | vi_ | merlin1991: your car sounds as safe as mine. |
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| 13:39.56 | jacekowski | but i think abs on a bike is a good thing |
| 13:40.12 | vi_ | jacekowski: The OPTION of ABS on a bike can only be seen as good. |
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| 13:40.24 | jacekowski | i would rather not have abs on car than on a bike |
| 13:40.47 | jacekowski | on a car you have much higher chance of recovering from locked wheels |
| 13:40.55 | merlin1991 | vi_: how old is yours? (mine is 10 years old) |
| 13:41.10 | vi_ | pre ODB |
| 13:41.17 | vi_ | 14 years |
| 13:41.29 | vi_ | only 60000 miles |
| 13:41.37 | vi_ | Has a worn ring. |
| 13:41.43 | vi_ | Smokes like a 2-stroke bike. |
| 13:42.38 | vi_ | But it does have a GNU sticker on the back and that makes it at least 1 more horse power. |
| 13:42.46 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 13:43.11 | chem|st | Windsurfen für Einsteiger |
| 13:43.18 | chem|st | oops |
| 13:43.28 | vi_ | My bike however is a 1985 XT600. |
| 13:43.41 | vi_ | It is a work of beauty. |
| 13:43.56 | vi_ | A 2 wheeled tractor if you will. |
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| 13:45.06 | chem|st | vi_: I learned riding on one of those |
| 13:45.14 | vi_ | !!! |
| 13:45.22 | vi_ | They are very popular in Germany. |
| 13:45.42 | vi_ | In fact the best XT600 forum on the net is entirely in German :( |
| 13:46.26 | vi_ | chem|st: you have one? |
| 13:46.58 | chem|st | a coworker has one and I might have access to the one I started with |
| 13:47.18 | vi_ | chem|st: do you know what year it is? |
| 13:47.26 | chem|st | I would buy it but the owner loves to have it |
| 13:47.39 | chem|st | 85 I think |
| 13:47.44 | vi_ | !! |
| 13:47.59 | vi_ | Same as mine! |
| 13:48.02 | vi_ | Yippee. |
| 13:48.21 | chem|st | or 84 I think it was 18 when I started with |
| 13:48.43 | vi_ | The XT600-43f. Apparently the engine is good for 200000 miles if you take care of it. |
| 13:48.54 | vi_ | 84 was the first year they made it. |
| 13:49.14 | vi_ | The 83 version was the XT600Z tenere. |
| 13:49.36 | chem|st | have no clue about it, I have 2 Ducs |
| 13:49.48 | vi_ | chem|st: you have my attention... |
| 13:49.58 | chem|st | vi_: hehe |
| 13:50.12 | chem|st | "what else do you have in the warehouse?" |
| 13:50.36 | freemangordon | jacekowski: the characters that are riding those bikes are not the same type as those that drive the cars ;). Plus removing of the ABS will as simple as cutting the 2 wires from the sensor :) |
| 13:51.21 | vi_ | freemangordon: assuming your onboard ECU does not go 'WTF????MY ABS??? SHUTDOWN NOW!' |
| 13:51.30 | freemangordon | naah, no way |
| 13:51.45 | freemangordon | imagine if that happens while you're riding |
| 13:52.07 | freemangordon | noone will risk that, it is the same now with the cars |
| 13:52.11 | chem|st | vi_: a Triumph SpeedTripple, 2 Ducs Paso 907ie, a BMW100s-sidewagon, a Bimota Tesi2 and a Münch4Mammuth are ready to ride atm |
| 13:52.16 | vi_ | freemangordon: yes, the bike goes into emergancy mode and shutsdown. |
| 13:52.28 | freemangordon | shutdown the engine? |
| 13:52.39 | vi_ | freemangordon: not immediatley. |
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| 13:53.56 | chem|st | vi_: did you get a reply to your mail yet? |
| 13:54.07 | freemangordon | vi_: I refuse to believe the ECU will shut down because of the faulty sensor. |
| 13:54.22 | freemangordon | it might go into a failsafe mode though |
| 13:54.32 | chem|st | freemangordon: hopefully |
| 13:55.07 | freemangordon | and failsafe in terms of ABS and brakes is ... guess what, brakes with no ABS |
| 13:55.25 | vi_ | chem|st: No. |
| 13:55.27 | teotwaki | no, failsafe of faulty ABS is lockdown. |
| 13:55.53 | vi_ | freemangordon: I think you are optimistic as to what the EU want to inflict on us. |
| 13:56.15 | flux | I was under the impression you can disable ABS from most cars by unplugging a fuse? |
| 13:56.20 | freemangordon | teotwaki: at least that is what happens on the cars, 90 perceon of taxies herein Sofia are with faulty ABS |
| 13:56.37 | teotwaki | flux: some, most now need intervention on the circuitry. |
| 13:56.40 | chem|st | vi_: the next they want me to wear proper helmets... like the italians |
| 13:57.25 | teotwaki | freemangordon: except the ABS sensor on a bike is a lot more prone to breakage -- unless you're on a beemer, those things are not made to take hits. |
| 13:57.41 | vi_ | chem|st: ? But you already wear a helmet. |
| 13:57.56 | chem|st | vi_: sure... |
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| 13:58.15 | freemangordon | teotwaki: sure thing, but noone can prevent an access to the sensor wiring |
| 13:58.33 | freemangordon | for the enough hard-trying biker |
| 13:58.43 | chem|st | and my helmet is a state of the art italian proof 290eur shoei... |
| 13:58.58 | teotwaki | 290 is cheap |
| 13:58.59 | chem|st | it is my head for god sake! |
| 13:59.10 | chem|st | teotwaki: yeah they are usualy 340eur |
| 13:59.25 | teotwaki | I mean, 300euro price range is cheap for a decent helmet |
| 13:59.31 | teotwaki | 300 gives you mid-range. |
| 13:59.38 | freemangordon | chem|st: wrong, it is EU's head :P |
| 13:59.43 | chem|st | I foundone without design on |
| 13:59.51 | teotwaki | state of the art is 800. |
| 14:00.18 | chem|st | teotwaki: I do not know where you buy helmets but the commonly bet helmets are in a range of 290-390eurs over here... |
| 14:00.33 | teotwaki | yes, and that's mid range :) |
| 14:00.46 | chem|st | put a design on it and they cost 450eur... |
| 14:01.02 | teotwaki | design shouldn't cost you a penny if you purchase it at the right place |
| 14:01.39 | chem|st | teotwaki: then why are you paying 800eurs for a helmet which has technology inside you get for 450? |
| 14:02.10 | teotwaki | this is mine http://www.helmetcity.com/page/HC/PROD/scorpion-fullface-helmets/exo1100-matte-black |
| 14:02.15 | chem|st | the cheap ones over here are like 130eur |
| 14:03.03 | teotwaki | In terms of quality, it's miles away from http://www.helmetcity.com/page/HC/PROD/700-799helmet/araicorsairvblackfrost |
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| 14:05.41 | vi_ | I want an arai xd3 |
| 14:06.02 | vi_ | But they cost about 2/3 the value of my bike. |
| 14:07.01 | chem|st | my head shape does not fit arai... |
| 14:07.14 | chem|st | I stick with the RF 1100 |
| 14:10.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | teotwaki: you're at RIM? |
| 14:10.40 | teotwaki | DocScrutinizer: the idiots who make BlackBerry? |
| 14:10.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | I thouhjt so, yes |
| 14:11.05 | teotwaki | No fucking way. |
| 14:11.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | mistaken |
| 14:11.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | migh've been timeless |
| 14:12.17 | teotwaki | DocScrutinizer: I work at a company called Interact-IV |
| 14:12.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah SIP etc |
| 14:12.38 | teotwaki | aye |
| 14:12.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | iirc |
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| 14:16.30 | timeless | will look back later |
| 14:17.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | timeless: you're at RIM? |
| 14:18.19 | timeless | nods |
| 14:18.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | HSI? |
| 14:19.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | (prolly not) |
| 14:19.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | waves |
| 14:19.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | bbl |
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| 14:44.14 | teotwaki | timeless: I thought you were at Nokia previously? |
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| 14:44.19 | timeless | yes |
| 14:44.21 | timeless | for 5 years |
| 14:44.28 | timeless | but i left a bit over a year ago |
| 14:44.31 | teotwaki | I take you like sinking ships :) |
| 14:44.36 | teotwaki | s/take/take it/ |
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| 14:50.28 | Viltzu | Anyone compiled Allegro5 for N900? |
| 14:51.33 | Viltzu | When I try to compile it on N900, and do "make". It goes well until it tries to link lib/liballegro.so |
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| 14:52.13 | Viltzu | "make[2]: *** [lib/liballegro.so.5.0.6] Error 1" |
| 14:52.32 | Viltzu | "make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/allegro.dir/all] Error 2" |
| 14:52.42 | Viltzu | That doesn't tell anything... urh. |
| 14:52.56 | Viltzu | And cross compiling seems hard :p |
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| 15:19.35 | Viltzu | Hum |
| 15:20.16 | StyXman | Viltzu: check the logs higher up |
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| 15:21.21 | Viltzu | But not errors. |
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| 16:25.20 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop, Raimu : (and whoever is interseted) new version of thumb-cssu is out, with thumb2-compiled xserver and fixed kernel |
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| 16:28.10 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: cool. I had an update available notification this morning but deps seemed to be broken at the time. |
| 16:29.49 | freemangordon | yeah, I am just waaiting merlin1991 to finish his exams so I can kick him in the ass for setting up the repo in such a way that older versions of the packages are deleted when a new version is uploaded :D |
| 16:30.57 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: how is the fennec compilation going on? |
| 16:31.26 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: did you add a conflict to the uboot image? |
| 16:32.02 | freemangordon | merlin1991: nope, should I? |
| 16:32.20 | merlin1991 | ham claims the update conflicts with it somehow |
| 16:32.21 | freemangordon | conflict with wath, remind me please. |
| 16:32.35 | merlin1991 | mp vs uboot kernel image |
| 16:32.38 | freemangordon | merlin1991: u-boot pr-13? |
| 16:32.38 | zeq_laptop | the pkg-config logic is sane afterall, kindof. It goes through the Qt packages group by group and if any fail instead of erroring out it falls back to looking for the Qt libs/includes in QTDIR, even if it isn't set! |
| 16:33.12 | freemangordon | merlin1991: but it should not conflict with it |
| 16:33.13 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: ah, yes. That's what happened to me this morning. |
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| 16:34.03 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: nah, the uboot image of the cssu kernel |
| 16:34.07 | freemangordon | merlin1991: after all you could safely boot cssu-kernel-bootimg qith u-boot and have a perfectly stable system |
| 16:34.21 | merlin1991 | well nfc |
| 16:34.27 | merlin1991 | didn't read the mesage from ham properly |
| 16:34.39 | freemangordon | otherwise you should break mp thing in order to use uboot |
| 16:35.18 | freemangordon | merlin1991: there was a broken dependency, mp (oler version) was looking for kernel-cssu1, but there was kernel-cssu2 |
| 16:35.41 | freemangordon | kernel-cssu1 was automatically delete when i upload the new kernel |
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| 16:35.59 | freemangordon | *uploaded |
| 16:36.04 | merlin1991 | I deinstalled the bootimg package and now the update works |
| 16:36.19 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: yeah that's a shortcoming of reprepro |
| 16:36.22 | merlin1991 | it only keeps one version |
| 16:36.38 | merlin1991 | I found something in the docs that could fix that and applied it to the config, but didn't have time to test it |
| 16:36.59 | freemangordon | aah, so it is not some setting? ok, I am not going to kick you then :P |
| 16:37.27 | freemangordon | well, nevermind, I will be careful now I know what it does |
| 16:37.46 | merlin1991 | if that config thingy doesn't fix it I'll look for another tool that does repos and can handle an incoming queue |
| 16:38.05 | merlin1991 | but reprepro was quite nice to work with :/ |
| 16:38.19 | freemangordon | merlin1991: but it works pretty well, I was just not aware of this "functionality |
| 16:38.37 | freemangordon | don't touch it, it is working fine |
| 16:38.47 | merlin1991 | works well as long as I remember to enable the incoming queue after a reboot ;) |
| 16:38.57 | freemangordon | :D |
| 16:39.16 | freemangordon | can't it be automatically enabled? |
| 16:39.29 | freemangordon | via /etc/event.d or something? |
| 16:39.30 | merlin1991 | yeah I'd have to write an init script :D |
| 16:39.43 | freemangordon | :) |
| 16:39.48 | merlin1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.09 | freemangordon | no /etc/event.d on debian? |
| 16:40.16 | merlin1991 | nope |
| 16:40.29 | freemangordon | hmm, why we have it on n900 then ?!? |
| 16:40.37 | merlin1991 | because n900 uses upstart |
| 16:41.09 | freemangordon | well, anyway, it is gettting too complicated for me :) |
| 16:41.26 | merlin1991 | debian uses sysvinit as init |
| 16:41.29 | merlin1991 | mamo uses upstart |
| 16:41.34 | zeq_laptop | as does ubuntu |
| 16:41.36 | freemangordon | ok |
| 16:41.41 | merlin1991 | and mr pöttering wants us all to use systemd ;) |
| 16:41.49 | zeq_laptop | I actually like systemd |
| 16:42.02 | freemangordon | mr who? |
| 16:42.08 | merlin1991 | ~pöttering |
| 16:42.19 | merlin1991 | srly infobot |
| 16:42.33 | freemangordon | won't work, there is some strange symbol in your paste |
| 16:42.36 | ivgalvez | and which version of upstart are we using? |
| 16:42.43 | ivgalvez | I guess too old? |
| 16:42.53 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: mr Lennart Poettering |
| 16:42.55 | merlin1991 | ~poettering |
| 16:42.56 | infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' |
| 16:43.02 | merlin1991 | there we go :D |
| 16:43.07 | freemangordon | yeah :D:D:D |
| 16:43.08 | zeq_laptop | LOL |
| 16:43.11 | ivgalvez | author of Pulseaudio as well |
| 16:43.27 | zeq_laptop | Pulseaudio is okay too :P |
| 16:43.37 | ivgalvez | so I won't jump to systemd to fast |
| 16:43.50 | zeq_laptop | systemd is fine, it's just different |
| 16:43.55 | merlin1991 | what's the 3rd big thing he did? |
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| 16:44.40 | NIN101 | avahi |
| 16:44.41 | merlin1991 | ah yeah avahi |
| 16:45.08 | freemangordon | is wondering what next to include in cssu-thumb |
| 16:45.21 | zeq_laptop | fennec! ;) |
| 16:45.22 | ivgalvez | Python :D |
| 16:45.24 | freemangordon | don't say microb |
| 16:45.44 | freemangordon | ivgalvez: what will be the benefit from having Python thumb-compiled? |
| 16:46.00 | ivgalvez | time to start python apps is extremely long plus memroy consumption |
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| 16:46.14 | ivgalvez | there are a few widgets using python as well |
| 16:46.20 | freemangordon | but it is not resident, ain't? |
| 16:46.31 | ivgalvez | if you have a widgets... yes I'm afraid |
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| 16:46.53 | freemangordon | aah, widgets. hmm, who the hell wants python widgets on his desktop? |
| 16:46.54 | zeq_laptop | not sure how much difference it would make to python |
| 16:47.13 | freemangordon | ivgalvez: I was asking for some core compunent |
| 16:47.20 | freemangordon | *component |
| 16:47.31 | ivgalvez | well it's not really critcal |
| 16:47.49 | freemangordon | the one that everyone will benefit from being with reduced code size |
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| 16:48.07 | freemangordon | some system library or so. bluetoothd? |
| 16:48.18 | freemangordon | or something like that |
| 16:48.25 | zeq_laptop | that's a possiblity |
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| 16:49.42 | freemangordon | well, I rephrase then. Which is the biggest memory hog (excluding browserd and things that are already in the repo) according to your knowledge? |
| 16:49.59 | kerio | tracker, maybe? |
| 16:50.01 | freemangordon | aah, yes, libcurl3 |
| 16:50.16 | freemangordon | kerio: hmm, that is a good idea, let me check the code size |
| 16:52.47 | ivgalvez | if you use batery-eye (very common I think) you will also see python running |
| 16:53.54 | freemangordon | ivgalvez: no way to install any python stuff in my status menu. |
| 16:54.00 | freemangordon | :) |
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| 16:56.11 | freemangordon | hmm, openssl and libcurl3 are my favorites, though I have to wait for a newer libcurl3 in CSSU-T |
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| 16:57.20 | zeq_laptop | probably worth looking a the difference in size with python |
| 16:57.46 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: absolute difference? |
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| 16:58.10 | freemangordon | as I doubt it is all executable code |
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| 16:58.46 | zeq_laptop | obviously :) |
| 17:00.28 | zeq_laptop | objdump gives a full breakdown |
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| 17:03.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | battery-eye been notorious to kill battery ;) |
| 17:03.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | IOW the eye is a hog |
| 17:03.49 | freemangordon | hmm, pulseaudio modules are about 1200 KiB |
| 17:04.03 | freemangordon | not sure all of them are FOSS |
| 17:04.06 | ivgalvez | mine stays up to 4 days and 13 hours with Battery eye, I can live with that |
| 17:04.07 | hiemanshu | some should rebuild Maemo with linaro tool chain |
| 17:04.09 | hiemanshu | someone* |
| 17:04.29 | freemangordon | hiemanshu: which gcc is that? |
| 17:04.35 | ivgalvez | 4.7.1 |
| 17:04.39 | hiemanshu | there is 4.6 and 4.7 too |
| 17:04.57 | ivgalvez | 4.7.1 is supposed to boost performance of Android on ARM |
| 17:05.07 | hiemanshu | 4.6 does too |
| 17:05.15 | freemangordon | is it much better than 4.6.2? |
| 17:05.21 | hiemanshu | and its not android limited |
| 17:05.33 | hiemanshu | its boosts performance of all ARM related stuff |
| 17:05.35 | freemangordon | as that is what I am using for thumb thingie |
| 17:06.56 | ivgalvez | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/06/android-performance-boosted-30-100-percent-by-linaro-toolchain/ |
| 17:07.16 | hiemanshu | ivgalvez: yes, but its not limited to android |
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| 17:07.29 | ivgalvez | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1210_arm1&num=1 |
| 17:07.33 | ivgalvez | of course |
| 17:07.39 | ivgalvez | Ubuntu too |
| 17:09.30 | freemangordon | ivgalvez: but it says the performance is boosted compared to google toolchain, I was asking if there is much of a difference compared to gcc 4.6.2 |
| 17:10.29 | ivgalvez | apparently the benefits to Ubuntu 12.10 are also important, anyhow dunno if that would be noticeable on the N900 |
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| 17:16.34 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: we should probably use linaro |
| 17:17.02 | zeq_laptop | they do try extra hard to fix ARM issues |
| 17:17.30 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: I am all for this, just tell me when to download the toolchain from :P |
| 17:17.40 | hiemanshu | freemangordon: google :P |
| 17:17.51 | freemangordon | (the one that runs in SB :P ) |
| 17:18.20 | zeq_laptop | there are instructions on the sb site to import new toolchains |
| 17:18.21 | freemangordon | hiemanshu: ^^^ |
| 17:18.45 | freemangordon | yeah, but we need the ehole toolchain statically linked |
| 17:18.55 | zeq_laptop | I would be surprised if someone hasn't already done it |
| 17:18.57 | hiemanshu | freemangordon: well you'll have to do some manual stuff |
| 17:19.30 | freemangordon | hiemanshu: tell me about it, I compiled gcc 4.6.2 for SB ;) |
| 17:19.51 | zeq_laptop | building gcc without "--enable-shared" isn't a bit deal |
| 17:20.00 | zeq_laptop | s/bit/big/ |
| 17:20.14 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: excluding that that option does not work |
| 17:20.18 | zeq_laptop | I should say with --disable-shared |
| 17:20.25 | freemangordon | at least for 4.6.2 |
| 17:20.53 | zeq_laptop | I've built a static toolchain recently when I was bootstrapping x32 on Gentoo |
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| 17:24.12 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: does not work, I had to do some trickery, i.e. configure it with --enable-shared, and after that make -j4 LDFLAGS="-static -L/scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/lib/" |
| 17:24.44 | zeq_laptop | strange |
| 17:24.51 | freemangordon | or make -j4 LDFLAGS="-all-static", can't remember |
| 17:25.27 | zeq_laptop | I think i built 4.6 and 4.7 ... maybe it was only 4.7 I built static |
| 17:25.31 | freemangordon | that is the source from gcc mirrors, didn't try some debianized package |
| 17:25.34 | Viltzu | Does anyone know what I should try when compiling allegro5? |
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| 17:25.44 | freemangordon | make? |
| 17:25.49 | Viltzu | "Linking C shared library lib/liballegro.so" |
| 17:25.52 | Viltzu | And then error. |
| 17:25.54 | freemangordon | dpkg-buildpackage |
| 17:26.11 | Viltzu | I'm talking about the error when I do make :) |
| 17:26.17 | freemangordon | :) |
| 17:26.21 | freemangordon | and the error is? |
| 17:26.26 | Viltzu | make just doesn't give anyinformation of the error really. |
| 17:26.34 | Viltzu | Not even what the error exactly is |
| 17:26.41 | Viltzu | Linking C shared library lib/liballegro.so |
| 17:26.41 | Viltzu | make[2]: *** [lib/liballegro.so.5.0.6] Error 1 |
| 17:26.41 | Viltzu | make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/allegro.dir/all] Error 2 |
| 17:26.41 | Viltzu | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
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| 17:27.54 | Viltzu | And I'm positive there really isn't anywhere else about errors |
| 17:27.59 | zeq_laptop | another fennec stupidity |
| 17:28.08 | freemangordon | Viltzu: no way there is no error from gcc |
| 17:28.31 | zeq_laptop | nsWindow.cpp:77:40: fatal error: QtSensors/QOrientationSensor |
| 17:28.53 | zeq_laptop | yet the CFLAGS contain: -I/opt/qtm12/include/QtSensors |
| 17:29.11 | zeq_laptop | duh! |
| 17:29.33 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: make it QOrientationSensor only, remove QtSensors/ prefix :P |
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| 17:29.56 | zeq_laptop | I was hoping to avoid patching |
| 17:30.03 | Viltzu | freemangordon, does it log somewhere or should it be printed on the screen when doing make? Because those 4 lines are all what it prints when I do make (Well, when it now tries to continue where it stopped. It does "Building C object" to 78% and then that) |
| 17:30.45 | freemangordon | Viltzu: check if your configure scripts are not invoked eith some "--silent" option |
| 17:30.58 | freemangordon | *with |
| 17:31.10 | freemangordon | is afk fro a while |
| 17:32.11 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: you could try ti -I/opt/qtm12/include |
| 17:32.14 | freemangordon | *to |
| 17:32.41 | freemangordon | and add that path to -dev pkgconfig |
| 17:33.07 | Viltzu | as far as I know there is not applied any silent options. |
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| 17:47.40 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: that's even more hacky than patching it though I guess |
| 17:48.05 | zeq_laptop | especially since the other qt headers aren't prefixed |
| 17:48.51 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: is that source file maemo5 specific? |
| 17:49.14 | zeq_laptop | no, it's qt-mobility specific |
| 17:49.44 | zeq_laptop | which is probably only used on maemo5/6 |
| 17:50.12 | freemangordon | hmm, strange. BTW why you include stuff from /opt and not /usr/include/qt4? |
| 17:50.24 | zeq_laptop | the opt stuff is from libqtm12 |
| 17:50.36 | zeq_laptop | that is where it gets installed |
| 17:50.38 | freemangordon | but headers should be in /usr/... |
| 17:50.44 | zeq_laptop | the locations are picked up though pkg-config |
| 17:50.47 | zeq_laptop | as they should be |
| 17:51.18 | freemangordon | I know, seems -dev package does stupd things, headers should not be optified AFAIK |
| 17:51.41 | zeq_laptop | There's no rule that I'm aware of |
| 17:51.57 | zeq_laptop | certainly not generally, maybe a maemo thing? |
| 17:52.30 | zeq_laptop | the whole point of pkg-config was to allow packages to be installed in non-standard locations and still work |
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| 17:55.23 | zeq_laptop | it's just a mozilla bug. probably only been used on maemo6/harmattan, and there the headers were in the right place |
| 17:56.20 | zeq_laptop | s/right/assumed/ |
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| 18:04.26 | Viltzu | So any ideas? I have not silented errors or anything. |
| 18:04.57 | zeq_laptop | Viltzu: there must be a way of makeing the build output verbose |
| 18:05.16 | zeq_laptop | some packages you can use V=99 |
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| 18:26.13 | Viltzu | I gave --debug=all to make and it says it is reaping winning child and also reaping losin child and such. |
| 18:26.17 | Viltzu | http://pastebin.com/hMyCFW8E |
| 18:26.33 | Viltzu | Does that tell anything? |
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| 18:32.38 | zeq_laptop | try make VERBOSE=ON |
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| 18:39.32 | Viltzu | I wonder. Maybe I should update gcc and g++ to 4.6 from 4.2? |
| 18:39.33 | Viltzu | :> |
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| 18:44.07 | zeq_laptop | Viltzu: did you try "make VERBOSE=ON" ? |
| 18:44.15 | Viltzu | Not yet. |
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| 18:47.20 | Viltzu | Humm |
| 18:47.42 | Viltzu | How did I create symlink so that gcc would call gcc-4.6 |
| 18:47.46 | Viltzu | ln something |
| 18:49.20 | zeq_laptop | Viltzu: what are you trying to do? I suggest if you want to try gcc-4.6, you use the one we're using for thumb |
| 18:50.06 | zeq_laptop | but first you really should try "make VERBOSE=ON", it should work to tell you what's wrong I think |
| 18:52.27 | Viltzu | I just mean that now if I do "gcc" it will use the 4.2 version. But nothing anymore. removed the old one and then ln /usr/bin/gcc-4.6 gcc |
| 18:52.31 | Viltzu | I will try that now. |
| 18:53.45 | Viltzu | Hmm |
| 18:53.47 | Viltzu | /usr/bin/ld: this linker was not configured to use sysroots |
| 18:53.47 | Viltzu | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 18:54.31 | Viltzu | wait. Did I just braek it |
| 18:54.59 | Viltzu | Because it says that also without VERBOSE=ON and it didn't before :p |
| 18:57.27 | zeq_laptop | yes, you've broken it :P |
| 18:58.05 | zeq_laptop | you broke your scratchbox target |
| 18:58.37 | Viltzu | I wonder what I should do? ;P |
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| 19:23.49 | zeq_laptop | ZogG_latop: where did you lose your "p"? |
| 19:24.57 | Viltzu | Okay back to 4.2 because symlinking doesn't work umm. |
| 19:25.39 | zeq_laptop | Viltzu: scratchbox toolchains go in /scratchbox/compiler |
| 19:25.59 | zeq_laptop | s/compiler/compilers/ |
| 19:26.48 | Viltzu | Okay... Doesn't say anything what I should do. :> |
| 19:27.15 | zeq_laptop | I'm going to write a howto soon |
| 19:27.32 | Viltzu | But I just now compile this thing again (yes, I tried to do with the 4.6 from the start and meh) |
| 19:27.41 | Viltzu | This will take about an our. |
| 19:27.53 | Viltzu | I wonder why it takes so long. On N9 it doesn't. |
| 19:28.11 | Viltzu | Maybe memory is getting low (5MB free RAM when compiling) ? |
| 19:28.18 | zeq_laptop | oh, you're compiling native? |
| 19:28.31 | Viltzu | Hmm... yes on N900. |
| 19:28.36 | zeq_laptop | eek |
| 19:28.55 | Viltzu | Cross-compiling seemed complicated when allegro needs all these different libraries erhm. |
| 19:29.14 | freemangordon | WTF? |
| 19:29.21 | ZogG_latop | zeq_laptop: 1993 summer, late august, i remember her as i see her now in front of me ... |
| 19:29.24 | Viltzu | But it would be nice to cross compile. This is taking forever to compile on N900 ;D |
| 19:29.56 | zeq_laptop | Viltzu: I strongly recommend you don't do that |
| 19:30.02 | zeq_laptop | native I mean |
| 19:30.09 | Viltzu | WhY? |
| 19:30.32 | zeq_laptop | well for a start it's slow |
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| 19:30.47 | Viltzu | Yes I have noticed. |
| 19:31.03 | Viltzu | And? |
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| 19:31.47 | zeq_laptop | you'll wear out your device, you probably don't have all the *-dev packages, lack of memory |
| 19:32.33 | zeq_laptop | Viltzu: scratchbox isn't hard to set up |
| 19:33.53 | Viltzu | Okay hmm |
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| 19:43.14 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: fennec is linking... |
| 19:44.32 | Viltzu | The problem was I didn't really know about this scratchbox thing :P |
| 19:45.06 | zeq_laptop | yep |
| 19:47.45 | freemangordon | Viltzu: it is really easy, nokia has a VmWare image on SDK site with everything preinstalled |
| 19:48.10 | freemangordon | (not sure what the address was, but google is your friend) |
| 19:48.30 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: still linking? |
| 19:48.55 | zeq_laptop | building chrome |
| 19:49.11 | freemangordon | libxul built? |
| 19:49.15 | zeq_laptop | yep |
| 19:49.22 | freemangordon | hooooraaay |
| 19:49.24 | freemangordon | :D |
| 19:49.32 | zeq_laptop | done |
| 19:49.34 | Viltzu | found it. |
| 19:49.49 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: gimme, gimme, gimme ... |
| 19:49.50 | zeq_laptop | except not a packagebuild |
| 19:49.56 | freemangordon | :( |
| 19:50.03 | freemangordon | why is that? |
| 19:50.27 | zeq_laptop | because I could fix problems and type make in obj-build |
| 19:50.45 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: I am sure you know it, but just in case: you can comment the unpacking step in debian/rules and build with -nc |
| 19:50.46 | zeq_laptop | but the debian/rules wipes everything with "build" |
| 19:51.13 | zeq_laptop | execpt the silly debain/rules for this package |
| 19:51.30 | freemangordon | but it works, i've tried it yesterday |
| 19:51.31 | zeq_laptop | s/execpt/except/ |
| 19:51.44 | freemangordon | (commenting tar -xz) |
| 19:51.49 | zeq_laptop | it did? |
| 19:51.54 | freemangordon | yep |
| 19:51.56 | zeq_laptop | oh well never mind |
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| 19:51.58 | zeq_laptop | :) |
| 19:52.11 | freemangordon | just put # in front of it :P |
| 19:52.28 | zeq_laptop | well, yes hacking it would work |
| 19:53.12 | freemangordon | yeah, lets see it working, I promise I will fix debian/rules if everything is ok otherwise |
| 19:53.28 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: I can make the patches available to you |
| 19:53.34 | freemangordon | ie, fennec does not put n900 on its knees |
| 19:53.35 | zeq_laptop | you can build faster than I can |
| 19:54.11 | freemangordon | but you have it already build, just hack debian/rules and rebuild with -nc |
| 19:54.25 | freemangordon | that will be faster |
| 19:54.32 | zeq_laptop | ah, good idea 8-) |
| 19:56.18 | freemangordon | think if it is a good idea to upload that on gitorious, if fennec works ok |
| 19:58.41 | zeq_laptop | in cssu-thumb you mean? |
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| 20:01.25 | peterbjornx | does anyone here have experience with thr n900 fm tx |
| 20:01.30 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: I don't know how long this will take... |
| 20:01.39 | freemangordon | no, cssu-thumb is the debian repo ;). And most of things there are branches of CSSU |
| 20:01.53 | peterbjornx | mine stopped working, no errors but no transmission either |
| 20:02.03 | freemangordon | I have an account on gitorious and can create projects in my repo there |
| 20:02.11 | zeq_laptop | ah ok |
| 20:02.39 | zeq_laptop | if it works well, it could be quite popular |
| 20:03.04 | freemangordon | that way it will be very easy to apply patches for whoever is interested (assuming he has a gitorious account) |
| 20:04.04 | zeq_laptop | apparently packaging fennec takes a while ;) |
| 20:04.47 | freemangordon | well , if it does its job... |
| 20:04.49 | zeq_laptop | it's becaues it's using ARM compiled tools |
| 20:05.03 | zeq_laptop | because* |
| 20:05.04 | freemangordon | oh |
| 20:05.18 | zeq_laptop | ah progressing |
| 20:05.32 | freemangordon | arm qemu on coreduo :( |
| 20:05.42 | zeq_laptop | emulated arm is a bit slower than native x86_64 :) |
| 20:06.43 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: don't forget to maemo-optify once it is ready (if there is no optification in debian/rules) |
| 20:06.53 | freemangordon | though I think there is |
| 20:07.57 | zeq_laptop | it's installed into /opt in the mozconfig |
| 20:08.05 | freemangordon | great |
| 20:09.32 | chem|st | yeah |
| 20:09.33 | ZogG_laptop | freemangordon: congrats, now i wait for harmattan CSSU =P |
| 20:09.39 | chem|st | Woody14619: what happened? |
| 20:09.59 | ZogG_laptop | Woody14619: oh you are here, i'm the one we talked about OBS i'm here too =P |
| 20:10.51 | zeq_laptop | my power cable had fallen out |
| 20:11.03 | Woody14619 | chem|st: What happened about what? :) So much going on lately, I'm not sure which thing you're talking about. :P |
| 20:11.09 | freemangordon | ZogG_laptop: thanks. harm CSSU? but there is PR1.3 on the horizon :P |
| 20:11.10 | chem|st | Woody14619: CA |
| 20:11.43 | Woody14619 | Uhmm.. CA was decided? I'm not sure what you're asking? :) |
| 20:12.03 | Woody14619 | If you're asking why I didn't get a device? Because I didn't apply. |
| 20:12.23 | ZogG_laptop | freemangordon: i think in Nokia right now they went to ancient roots and wors is not round anymore so the horizont is the end of the world, good luck waiting for it =) |
| 20:12.36 | trumee | does N900 support hls video playback ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming |
| 20:12.57 | ZogG_laptop | Woody14619: you should re=phrase the question |
| 20:12.58 | Woody14619 | I felt it was both a conflict of interest, and that others had more/better community support and development than I've made. |
| 20:13.06 | chem|st | Woody14619: were all councelors there? or was it estel and someone else again? |
| 20:13.07 | ZogG_laptop | Woody14619: why only you didn't get the device =) |
| 20:13.18 | chem|st | ZogG_laptop: he din't apply! |
| 20:13.29 | ZogG_laptop | that's what i'm saying |
| 20:13.42 | Woody14619 | No, it was all councelors.... over a gruelying 4 hours meeting... :P |
| 20:13.43 | ZogG_laptop | why only him didn't apply =) |
| 20:13.44 | chem|st | misunderstood |
| 20:13.55 | trumee | There seem to be iOS/android players coming up to play mythtv 0.25 streams. Wondering if there is any video player which can do that on N900. |
| 20:14.25 | freemangordon | trumee: did you try to open it from microb? |
| 20:14.30 | Woody14619 | ZogG_laptop: I gave my reasons for not applying. :) |
| 20:14.53 | trumee | freemangordon: what do you mean? |
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| 20:15.27 | ZogG_laptop | Woody14619: i think the reason was different |
| 20:15.27 | Woody14619 | .oO(And while I may or may not want to share more on that, I will refrain from doing so, reguardless of proding...) |
| 20:15.33 | trumee | freemangordon: i have mythtv 0.25 here, but dont know how to access hls stream |
| 20:15.43 | freemangordon | trumee: find such a stream and try to open it within microb |
| 20:15.54 | trumee | freemangordon: ah, ok. |
| 20:16.19 | Woody14619 | ZogG_laptop: you may think what you please, but I can tell you, that was my reasoning. |
| 20:16.20 | ZogG_laptop | Woody14619: if you was thinking like that you would apply anyway as you just wouldn;t get device, on other hand if you know that you'll get device for sure so you don't apply — something is wrong here |
| 20:16.25 | freemangordon | if it is supported i suspect mediaplayer will kick in |
| 20:16.33 | freemangordon | trumee: ^^^ |
| 20:17.06 | ZogG_laptop | Woody14619: i actually complimenting you man =) |
| 20:17.37 | trumee | freemangordon: http://devimages.apple.com/iphone/samples/bipbop/gear1/prog_index.m3u8 , firefox on PC says loading. going to try on N900 |
| 20:17.50 | chem|st | vi_: merlin1991 freemangordon I hope you do not abandone your n900s now... |
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| 20:18.02 | Woody14619 | ZogG_laptop: Again, I found it to be a conflict of interest to be both an applicant and a judge, and therefore resolved that by not being an applicant. |
| 20:18.13 | Woody14619 | shares chem|st's concerns... :) |
| 20:18.27 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: fakeroot debian/rules binary-arch |
| 20:18.27 | zeq_laptop | make: *** No rule to make target `binary-arch'. Stop. |
| 20:18.37 | zeq_laptop | ? |
| 20:18.43 | ZogG_laptop | Woody14619: that's my point and that's why i told you that i think you did it right |
| 20:18.51 | Woody14619 | nods... |
| 20:18.54 | ZogG_laptop | zeq_laptop: i found my p |
| 20:19.06 | zeq_laptop | ZogG_laptop: congrats! :) |
| 20:20.02 | trumee | freemangordon: microb opens video player which return "unable to find media file" :( |
| 20:20.40 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: WTF? do a simple dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -nc |
| 20:20.53 | freemangordon | trumee: I suppose your question got answered :P |
| 20:21.44 | trumee | FF |
| 20:21.46 | freemangordon | actually it seems it is half supported :D |
| 20:22.20 | trumee | freemangordon: FF doesnt play these on PC either (https://developer.apple.com/resources/http-streaming/examples/) |
| 20:22.33 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: trying again |
| 20:22.34 | freemangordon | i.e. microb recognises it as a media, but maybe there is no gstreamer element installed on your n900 who can handle it |
| 20:22.56 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: full compilation? |
| 20:23.36 | zeq_laptop | no just the binary packaging |
| 20:23.40 | freemangordon | aah, ok |
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| 20:33.59 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: typo in rules |
| 20:34.59 | freemangordon | nice :) |
| 20:35.02 | zeq_laptop | wrong obj-build directory name |
| 20:35.10 | zeq_laptop | oops |
| 20:35.16 | zeq_laptop | trying again |
| 20:36.52 | Viltzu | /usr/bin/cmake -E cmake_symlink_library lib/liballegro.so.5.0.6 lib/liballegro.so.5.0 lib/liballegro.so |
| 20:36.56 | Viltzu | make[2]: *** [lib/liballegro.so.5.0.6] Error 1 |
| 20:36.57 | Viltzu | When usin - |
| 20:36.59 | Viltzu | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/user/MyDocs/allegro-5.0/build' |
| 20:37.08 | Viltzu | VERBOSE=ON it says that before the error |
| 20:37.31 | Viltzu | But I'm downloading the scratchbox ready image thing. |
| 20:46.56 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: seems to be working this time: Linking .xpt files... |
| 20:55.22 | freemangordon | good |
| 20:58.16 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: WTF? http://pastebin.com/e8hvXzFV |
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| 20:59.41 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: NFC, never seen such think |
| 20:59.45 | freemangordon | *thing |
| 21:01.52 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: what's your fakeroot version, maybe I have the wrong one somehow? |
| 21:02.06 | zeq_laptop | fakeroot --version |
| 21:02.07 | zeq_laptop | fakeroot version 1.14.4 (scratchbox) |
| 21:03.05 | zeq_laptop | I installed it from the gcc-4.6/thumb compiler packages |
| 21:05.48 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: I'm tying "make deb" directly in the build dir |
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| 21:08.21 | zeq_laptop | from debian wiki: Error Messages |
| 21:08.21 | zeq_laptop | fakeroot: nested operation not yet supported |
| 21:08.25 | zeq_laptop | This error occurs if an attempt is made to run fakeroot from within a fakeroot environment. The error may occur during an attempt to build project code from within a fakeroot environment and has been observed to occur when project builder tools are being used (such as debuild). |
| 21:10.34 | zeq_laptop | how did this ever work? I suppose the package is normally built without -rfakeroot |
| 21:12.27 | zeq_laptop | Is there a standard method to support packaging projects with a deb make target? |
| 21:13.28 | Viltzu | Now that Maemo SDK Virtual Image is up in virtualbox. :) |
| 21:15.25 | zeq_laptop | okay, that worked |
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| 21:20.09 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: http://http://www.snewbury.org.uk/fennec_14.0b7+maemo0-thumb0_armel.deb |
| 21:20.18 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: http://www.snewbury.org.uk/fennec_14.0b7+maemo0-thumb0_armel.deb |
| 21:22.44 | zeq_laptop | no idea if it works though ;) |
| 21:30.24 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: you are the men, downloading... |
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| 21:41.01 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: the shit works, you need newer libgcc_s.so.1 (the one that comes with the compiler, strip it), and export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/fennec-14.0:/opt/qtm12/lib |
| 21:41.31 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: the screen orientation is incorrect though, might be a bug in libqtm |
| 21:46.51 | zeq_laptop | it could be the qtm version |
| 21:47.25 | zeq_laptop | I had to fix a few things to get it to build so I don't know how the version in the repos was built |
| 21:47.26 | freemangordon | zeq_laptop: what I have here is the one from the repos |
| 21:47.37 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 21:47.50 | freemangordon | but it is rotated 90 deg |
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| 21:47.56 | zeq_laptop | I can put my libqtm on my server |
| 21:48.03 | freemangordon | veryy funny :D, but otherwise it is working |
| 21:48.51 | zeq_laptop | I haven't got it working here yet though due to the fact fennec7 wouldn't remove cleanly, now the new version won't either?!? |
| 21:48.56 | zeq_laptop | ah well |
| 21:49.36 | freemangordon | wouldn't remove? why is that? |
| 21:49.46 | freemangordon | BTW was it sunspider.com? |
| 21:49.53 | freemangordon | the benchmark site |
| 21:50.22 | Viltzu | Now, how I'm supposed to cross-compile allegro with this scratchbox thing? |
| 21:50.43 | Viltzu | Normally to compile it its just cmake and then make :P |
| 21:51.16 | zeq_laptop | pre-removal script returned error |
| 21:51.44 | zeq_laptop | libqtm-12-dbg_1.2.0+git20111104-0nd~fremantle6_armel.deb |
| 21:51.54 | zeq_laptop | libqtm-12-dev_1.2.0+git20111104-0nd~fremantle6_armel.deb |
| 21:52.01 | zeq_laptop | libqtm-12_1.2.0+git20111104-0nd~fremantle6_armel.deb |
| 21:52.26 | zeq_laptop | same place as fennec deb |
| 21:53.01 | zeq_laptop | freemangordon: I need to get to bed now, gf complaining ;) |
| 21:53.12 | zeq_laptop | night all |
| 21:53.20 | freemangordon | night :) |
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| 22:01.20 | freemangordon | sunspider result for fennec-14b7 : 5670.5 ms ( device OC to 805 MHz) |
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| 22:15.55 | Estel_ | :) I think it's quite happy day, for many |
| 22:16.45 | Viltzu | ls |
| 22:16.47 | Viltzu | ops |
| 22:17.02 | Estel_ | Congratulations for all CA winners! |
| 22:17.17 | freemangordon | Estel_: 10x |
| 22:17.19 | jacekowski | CA? |
| 22:17.22 | jacekowski | ahm |
| 22:17.24 | Viltzu | Okay I have compiled allegro in scratchbox. Now what :u |
| 22:17.28 | Estel_ | :) |
| 22:17.28 | freemangordon | community awards |
| 22:17.42 | freemangordon | Viltzu: run it :P |
| 22:17.56 | Estel_ | allegro ma non tropo? |
| 22:18.02 | freemangordon | (whatever allegro is) |
| 22:18.15 | Estel_ | http://allegro.pl, probably |
| 22:18.18 | Estel_ | or not |
| 22:18.51 | Viltzu | http://allegro.cc/ |
| 22:19.13 | Viltzu | And this is.. umm humm.. |
| 22:19.25 | Estel_ | looks like lua error, to me |
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| 22:22.06 | Viltzu | When I try to run some demos or examples that came with allegro it says |
| 22:22.08 | Viltzu | svn co https://alleg.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/alleg/allegro/branches/5.0 allegro-5.0 |
| 22:22.11 | Viltzu | asd. |
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| 22:22.15 | Viltzu | not that |
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| 22:22.38 | Viltzu | "X11TransSocketINETConnect() can't get address for localhost:6002: Name or service not known" |
| 22:22.53 | Viltzu | When target it arm. when x86 that doesn't come |
| 22:23.08 | Viltzu | But I wonder, how I'm supposed to get this to my n900 then? |
| 22:23.58 | freemangordon | Viltzu: do make install --targed-dir (whatever you want it placed) most probably /opt/allegro |
| 22:24.21 | Viltzu | mm.... In scratchbox? |
| 22:24.25 | freemangordon | not sure though it is exactly --target-dir, so google a bit |
| 22:24.52 | freemangordon | could be INSTALL_DIR variable |
| 22:24.59 | freemangordon | yep in SB |
| 22:25.18 | freemangordon | that will copy all the necesarry file into that dir |
| 22:25.26 | freemangordon | then copy that on your n900 |
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| 22:26.51 | freemangordon | Viltzu: make DESTDIR=<your_prefix> install |
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| 22:28.45 | Viltzu | And where I copy this on my N900? |
| 22:28.52 | Viltzu | Just somewhere or somewhere spefic? |
| 22:29.46 | freemangordon | the same place you set your DESTDIR to be |
| 22:30.03 | freemangordon | use DESTDIR=/opt/allegro |
| 22:30.10 | Viltzu | oh okay. |
| 22:30.30 | freemangordon | the copy /opt/allegro to n900 under /opt/allegro :) |
| 22:30.40 | freemangordon | *then |
| 22:30.58 | Viltzu | ok |
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| 22:32.39 | freemangordon | ok, sunspider benchmark final results: fennec - 5670.5 ms, microb 24566 ms (device OC to 805 for both benchmarks) , my desktop-820 ms (AMD Phenom II 3.2 GHz) |
| 22:32.58 | freemangordon | damn, fennec jscript is FAST |
| 22:33.29 | nox- | does fennec still `eat ram like candy'? |
| 22:33.38 | cehteh | but the rest is dead slow and its a memory hog |
| 22:33.40 | freemangordon | lemme check |
| 22:34.00 | cehteh | if i want to do fast computing i use C not javascript :P |
| 22:34.25 | cehteh | for websites i'd like a browser which shows me the pages as fast as possible |
| 22:35.28 | freemangordon | with talk.maemo.org opened it uses 23.3 % memory |
| 22:35.52 | freemangordon | and it is fast, no comparison with the one in the repos |
| 22:36.40 | freemangordon | maybe you miss some history, I am talking about version 14b7, thumb2 compiled and neon optimized |
| 22:37.00 | nox- | so thumb works now? |
| 22:37.15 | freemangordon | so far |
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| 22:37.55 | nox- | with nokia repo or does it need something special? |
| 22:38.05 | freemangordon | no reports for crashes till now, not sure how many are using cssu-thumb, maybe about 10 people |
| 22:38.15 | freemangordon | more than special :D |
| 22:38.20 | nox- | hah ok |
| 22:38.42 | freemangordon | a kernel, new libstdc++, new compiler, etc,etc |
| 22:38.51 | nox- | oh well... |
| 22:38.56 | Raimu | What's this, someone compiled Fennec 14? |
| 22:39.02 | freemangordon | yep |
| 22:39.06 | Viltzu | ouch umh. |
| 22:39.23 | Raimu | Neat. |
| 22:39.32 | freemangordon | Raimu: read the backscroll, it was zeq_laptop |
| 22:39.38 | Raimu | Yeah, getting there. |
| 22:39.55 | Raimu | zeq_laptop: Ooh, congrats! |
| 22:40.04 | Viltzu | How I'm exactly going to copy to N900 /opt/. Because if I first copy to N900 in storage mode to that ntfs partition or whatever it is, symlinks will disappear |
| 22:40.07 | Viltzu | :u |
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| 22:40.17 | freemangordon | use ssh |
| 22:40.26 | peetah | freemangordon: I thought the fennec >8.0 issue was a change in the javascript engine that requires CPU instructions unavailable on N900 ? |
| 22:40.48 | freemangordon | Viltzu: WinScp if you're under windows |
| 22:40.53 | peetah | freemangordon: how thumb2 can solve this ? |
| 22:41.00 | freemangordon | peetah: NFC, I have it in front of me |
| 22:41.14 | freemangordon | thumb2 are special instructions |
| 22:41.19 | freemangordon | :P |
| 22:41.48 | freemangordon | available on n900 but broken without workarounds in kernel |
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| 22:43.03 | peetah | freemangordon: yes, I read your TMO thread explaining this, but I was talking of requirement for floating point related instructions that the N900 cpu cannot provide |
| 22:43.50 | peetah | from what I understand, thumb2 provides the same instructions in a shorter form, am I right ? |
| 22:44.10 | peetah | *same as ARM |
| 22:44.22 | freemangordon | NEON? where did you get that n900 CPU does not support then |
| 22:44.34 | freemangordon | it is perfectly supported (neon that is) |
| 22:44.54 | freemangordon | yeah, something like that |
| 22:45.26 | Viltzu | And now that I have the allegro dir in /opt/ on my n900? |
| 22:45.28 | peetah | read something about it in the fennec thread |
| 22:46.43 | freemangordon | Viltzu: open xterm, root, cd to /opt/allegro and do chmod -R 755 * |
| 22:47.14 | freemangordon | after that exit and ./allegro (if that is the name of the executable) |
| 22:47.14 | Viltzu | Don |
| 22:47.43 | Viltzu | exit what? |
| 22:48.11 | freemangordon | if you have some shared libs in your directory, you should do "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/allegro/path_to_lib" |
| 22:48.14 | peetah | freemangordon: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1152008&postcount=27 => "In 9.0 the JIT was finally changed, but also was disabled in non SSE2 cpu's (at least in X86). In late 12.0 builds it has been reenabled again, but all FPU operations are done in slow C++ code in non SSE2 cpu's, resulting in a 25% slowdown." |
| 22:48.21 | freemangordon | exit, so you won't run it as root |
| 22:48.40 | Viltzu | ah ok |
| 22:48.50 | freemangordon | peetah: that is 14 |
| 22:49.00 | Viltzu | well it says not found? |
| 22:49.08 | freemangordon | and it has --with-neon switch |
| 22:49.16 | freemangordon | Viltzu: on which command |
| 22:49.24 | Viltzu | ./allegro |
| 22:49.34 | Viltzu | And I'm not wondering why doesn't it found.. |
| 22:49.38 | Viltzu | Why would it? |
| 22:49.56 | Viltzu | oh wait, should I do it in /opt/? :> |
| 22:49.58 | freemangordon | man, do a ls -al and check how is the executable called |
| 22:50.24 | freemangordon | I am just guessing, NFC what allegro is |
| 22:51.00 | Viltzu | Me neither. But I think it's more like a library ;) |
| 22:51.04 | Raimu | Opera on n900 gives 4340ms in the test. |
| 22:51.26 | Viltzu | Okay it is a library. |
| 22:51.41 | Viltzu | So it's probably useless to try to excute it |
| 22:51.43 | Raimu | Considering Opera tends to be the quick-and-dirty browser, that's VERY well from Fennec. |
| 22:51.45 | Viltzu | :> |
| 22:52.04 | freemangordon | Raimu: hmm, let me check the PhoneME opera |
| 22:52.25 | peetah | ok, so that gives me the guts to test cssu-thumb2 ! |
| 22:52.54 | merlin1991 | chem|st: err why should I abandon my n900? :D |
| 22:53.16 | Estel_ | damn, I must go to sleep, It took me 30 minutes to get that freemangordon's "10x" was "thanks" |
| 22:53.31 | Raimu | Estel :) |
| 22:53.35 | Estel_ | either I'm getting too old for l33t, or I'm in love :P |
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| 22:53.49 | Estel_ | now with You, Raimu :P |
| 22:53.52 | freemangordon | merlin1991: aren't you supposed to sleep :P. you have an exam tomorrow |
| 22:54.02 | Estel_ | s/now/not/ |
| 22:54.03 | Raimu | But Estel! <3 <3 |
| 22:54.08 | merlin1991 | never heard of emergency late night sessions? :D |
| 22:54.11 | Estel_ | lmao |
| 22:54.15 | merlin1991 | and the exam is 18:00-20:00 :/ |
| 22:54.22 | peetah | just one question: can thumb2-compiled binaries and ARM-compiled binaries coexists, or should I wait for all the softwares currently installed in my N900 to be recompiled for thumb2 ? |
| 22:54.25 | freemangordon | aah, ok then |
| 22:54.38 | Estel_ | :) |
| 22:54.39 | freemangordon | peetah: they can |
| 22:54.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: sent! |
| 22:54.51 | Estel_ | freemangordon, sorry for not testing CSSU-thumb yet |
| 22:55.05 | freemangordon | only those packages that are int thumb repo are thumb-compiled, everything else is arm |
| 22:55.14 | Estel_ | idiot who send me replacement motherrboard, actually did it to outdated address |
| 22:55.20 | Estel_ | 400 km away |
| 22:56.10 | Estel_ | = I don't have guts to try it on device, that will get backuped and transferred to new motherboard soon, currently, having no usb, charging chip and camera |
| 22:56.13 | freemangordon | hmm, PhoneMe opera mini does not like sunspider test |
| 22:56.44 | freemangordon | Raimu: what was that html compliance site? |
| 22:56.52 | Estel_ | freemangordon, someone is making chromium port for N900, again? |
| 22:56.54 | Estel_ | (logs) |
| 22:57.03 | Raimu | freemangordon: The benchmarker? |
| 22:57.06 | freemangordon | or was it CSS2 compliance? |
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| 22:57.51 | Raimu | I dunno what you mean -- acid3.acidtests.org ? |
| 22:58.03 | freemangordon | Raimu: nah, the one with coloured squares |
| 22:58.06 | freemangordon | Yeah |
| 22:58.18 | freemangordon | acid3 test |
| 23:00.00 | freemangordon | 99/100, not bad |
| 23:00.05 | Estel_ | microb result |
| 23:00.19 | Estel_ | I wonder what they complain about |
| 23:00.20 | freemangordon | something like 80/100 or so |
| 23:00.25 | Estel_ | no |
| 23:00.31 | Estel_ | I've tested it now in microB |
| 23:00.32 | Estel_ | 99 |
| 23:00.36 | freemangordon | aah, ok |
| 23:00.37 | Estel_ | was the result |
| 23:01.19 | freemangordon | hmm, if we can upgrade microb with that gecko, it will be a killer |
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| 23:02.07 | freemangordon | that should be relatively easy if there is an option for gkt build , not qt |
| 23:02.13 | freemangordon | *gtk |
| 23:03.43 | Raimu | Opera scores 100/100 |
| 23:04.10 | Raimu | But I never tested microB. 99/100 is very adept. |
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| 23:04.22 | vi__ | Woody14619: ping |
| 23:04.42 | peetah | I have KP50 bootimg package installed, and not the to-be-flashed KP50 package: will cssu-thumb2 try to flash a new kernel or will it smartly add a bootimg kernel so that I can u-boot-update-bootmenu it ? |
| 23:05.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
| 23:05.16 | freemangordon | peetah: just have in mind there is easy no rollback from thumb , only a reflash |
| 23:05.42 | freemangordon | peetah: it will flash a new kernel, you'd better read again the thread |
| 23:06.01 | peetah | ok I will thanks |
| 23:06.31 | vi__ | gratz on your n950 FMG |
| 23:06.49 | freemangordon | same to you :) |
| 23:07.47 | vi__ | brb |
| 23:07.48 | Estel_ | freemangordon, if You will upgrade microB backend... |
| 23:08.15 | freemangordon | Estel_: yeah, thats the idea |
| 23:08.17 | Estel_ | we will... we will... No idea, do something nice to You |
| 23:08.31 | Estel_ | probably involving sexual assault ;) |
| 23:08.38 | Raimu | Now I see. |
| 23:08.45 | freemangordon | Estel_: no, thanks :D |
| 23:08.59 | Estel_ | but honestly, it would be over, over, overkill |
| 23:09.02 | freemangordon | But I don;t think I can make it alone |
| 23:09.21 | freemangordon | anywa, that is still far in the future |
| 23:09.27 | Estel_ | nods |
| 23:10.02 | Estel_ | btw, vi_, what are You going to do with N950? :) |
| 23:10.06 | freemangordon | needs some sleep |
| 23:10.11 | Estel_ | good night! |
| 23:10.15 | freemangordon | night |
| 23:10.37 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Awards#Winners |
| 23:10.38 | merlin1991 | err |
| 23:10.39 | merlin1991 | shit |
| 23:10.43 | merlin1991 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1224920&postcount=184 |
| 23:10.48 | merlin1991 | fsckd copy & paste |
| 23:11.00 | Estel_ | no worries, everything seem to be circulating about CA today :P |
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| 23:13.18 | Viltzu | Okay so yes, allegro is a library. |
| 23:13.35 | Viltzu | And the files should probably be in /usr/local/lib |
| 23:13.39 | Macer | n950s are collectables |
| 23:13.42 | Viltzu | I put them there |
| 23:13.57 | Viltzu | Programs won't find them |
| 23:14.01 | Viltzu | what to do? |
| 23:14.52 | Viltzu | In scratchbox I can do make install in the build directory and it will do anything needed (throw the .so files and such to /usr/local/lib/) and there it will work |
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| 23:15.31 | Viltzu | But what I should now do in N900 so programs would find them.. uhm. |
| 23:17.02 | Viltzu | Okay googling. |
| 23:18.51 | Viltzu | Oh yeah. |
| 23:19.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ oo |
| 23:19.19 | Viltzu | added the path /usr/local/lib to ld.so.conf and then ldconfig and now it works :> |
| 23:19.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | a miracle |
| 23:19.55 | freemangordon | merlin1991: and why the hell he has to use fapman for system upgrade? |
| 23:20.04 | merlin1991 | nfc |
| 23:20.44 | freemangordon | some people learn it the hard way :( |
| 23:20.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh another fatality due to fapman? lol |
| 23:21.13 | freemangordon | well, it is not dead, just crashing a little bit :D |
| 23:21.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway |
| 23:21.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~o |
| 23:21.28 | infobot | methinks o is OH!, or ~o means 'over' in context of write(1) |
| 23:21.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | oo |
| 23:21.47 | freemangordon | yeah, i am out too |
| 23:30.56 | Viltzu | Why I no can get to http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 23:30.57 | Viltzu | :U |
| 23:32.26 | Estel_ | freemangordon, I'm stubborn and I use fapman for CSSU to, since... always :P no problems so far. Yea, I know the risk |
| 23:32.58 | merlin1991 | srly maemo.org down again |
| 23:33.00 | Estel_ | every version I check if everything works, will be first to report if really, really, one days something won't work via fapman and will via HAM |
| 23:33.00 | merlin1991 | ffs |
| 23:33.09 | Estel_ | damn |
| 23:33.31 | merlin1991 | repos and talk still up though |
| 23:34.10 | Estel_ | OK, I'm of to The Dreaming too |
| 23:34.12 | Estel_ | see ya! |
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| 23:45.27 | Viltzu | scratchbox says "_X!!TransSocketINETConnect() can't get adress for localhost:6002: Name or service not known" |
| 23:45.33 | Viltzu | "failed to create display!" |
| 23:45.41 | Viltzu | when trying to run one of the examples of allegro |
| 23:45.46 | Viltzu | and N900 |
| 23:46.06 | Viltzu | 4 times "Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"." |
| 23:46.12 | Viltzu | and then the "failed to create display!" |
| 23:46.25 | Viltzu | Any ideas why? |
| 23:53.21 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer; cool |
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