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| 00:01.47 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: [01:51:16] <-- Flazgar (6d0d4526@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.13.69.38) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 00:02.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh |
| 00:02.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | logs lag a bit |
| 00:03.04 | merlin1991 | hm should write a log interface for my quassel core |
| 00:03.21 | merlin1991 | after all I have the complete chanhistory within a relational database |
| 00:03.34 | merlin1991 | well "complete" as in since I use quassel :) |
| 00:03.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | you got that *where*?? |
| 00:04.00 | merlin1991 | on my root server :) |
| 00:04.12 | merlin1991 | inside a postgres db xD |
| 00:04.15 | merlin1991 | now scream :) |
| 00:04.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly ponders what's primary key on that table |
| 00:04.31 | merlin1991 | sec |
| 00:04.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch |
| 00:05.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | now make that nodupkey and doom starts |
| 00:05.16 | merlin1991 | hm how does one check the table definiton in psql |
| 00:05.19 | merlin1991 | I always forget |
| 00:05.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 00:06.06 | merlin1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | SQL is none of my active languages |
| 00:08.39 | merlin1991 | current index is 6889897 xD |
| 00:08.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | once implemented a whole dialin info system with a "database" based on a plain text file plus grep |
| 00:09.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | now I finally seem to recall what I didn't like with quassel ;-D |
| 00:10.01 | merlin1991 | though I have 3 users running on that |
| 00:11.30 | merlin1991 | 673165 lines of #maemo log up till now |
| 00:12.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems to me like a plain text file per channel, with one global append-handle plus a read-handle per user should suffice |
| 00:12.41 | merlin1991 | well that makes it hard to buffer specific parts back to multiple clients that randomly connect to your core |
| 00:13.04 | merlin1991 | unless you write some blackmagic indexes into your file every so and so bytes |
| 00:13.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, yep. It's not exactly good design for adding clients on the fly |
| 00:13.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | each new client needs his own process with read-handle set to EOF |
| 00:14.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | then read again to EOF for each spooling out |
| 00:14.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | but redo arbitrary spools is not exactly supported by that architecture |
| 00:14.45 | merlin1991 | and how do you give a client parts of the log when he request gimme history from that and that time? |
| 00:14.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ |
| 00:15.07 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 00:15.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd still go for a plain text file, with grep ;-D |
| 00:15.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | or awk |
| 00:16.11 | merlin1991 | but one thing I can definitely do better is timestamp / nick based search ;) |
| 00:16.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | hell, the overhead for RDBMS is overkill, compared to an *occasional* grep over a few dozen MB |
| 00:16.38 | merlin1991 | yeah :P |
| 00:17.14 | merlin1991 | hm 324241 distinct nicks are logged on the server |
| 00:17.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | esp since your "primary key" (the start of line timestamp) is strictly monotone |
| 00:17.53 | merlin1991 | hah, but you can't combine information from multiple channels easily! |
| 00:17.57 | merlin1991 | ;) |
| 00:18.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | why the heck would anybody wanna do that? |
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| 00:19.02 | merlin1991 | because ie here people go with discussions from ie #maemo to #maemo-ssu and add some additional info in #harmattan? |
| 00:19.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol, so quassel is supposed to filter that out via SQL query? |
| 00:19.47 | merlin1991 | don't think quassel can do that :D |
| 00:19.57 | merlin1991 | but at least $sql nerd can do it on the db xD |
| 00:20.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | suuuure |
| 00:21.18 | merlin1991 | well tbh I don't see an argument pro sql db for quassel |
| 00:21.34 | merlin1991 | except, that it probably eased the development process for the dev |
| 00:21.35 | merlin1991 | AND |
| 00:21.44 | merlin1991 | the core is designed to scale to thousands of users |
| 00:21.55 | merlin1991 | there you can run into problems with too many file descriptors |
| 00:22.21 | merlin1991 | though for $average guy there is no point to have a db behind an irc client :D |
| 00:22.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | man 1 sort -> Write sorted concatenation of all FILE(s) to standard output. |
| 00:23.56 | merlin1991 | now do that for 500 users with lets say 5 chans each |
| 00:24.01 | merlin1991 | then the fun starts |
| 00:24.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll still beat your SQL nerd with unix file toolbox and shell, hands down |
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| 00:31.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | 730379 |
| 00:31.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | real 0m9.165s |
| 00:32.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | every now and then is mildly shocked about speed of contemporary hw |
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| 00:33.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 jr users 67863040 2. Jun 20:57 freenode_#openmoko.log |
| 00:36.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | jr@HaleBopp:~/halley2/home/jr/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs> time (grep jhg freenode_#openmoko.log|wc -l) |
| 00:36.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3 |
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| 00:53.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems incorrect though |
| 00:55.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, it's actually looking like there are 102k valid chanpost lines (incl join/quit/nick) from Mi Sep 10 2008 to Mo Okt 20 2008 |
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| 02:47.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack |
| 02:47.35 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: aw, gee |
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| 07:24.05 | Hurrian | kerio, I prefer XChat, but the styling just seems ever so off on Windows |
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| 08:55.38 | Guest28766 | merlin1991, thanks for you help yesterday, navit built against CSSU qt libraries went smooth. |
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| 10:53.01 | cityLights | hi all , where to read the ssu changelog? |
| 10:53.05 | cityLights | please |
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| 10:53.59 | cityLights | also, is anyone aware of any tizen news? like, when can I buy a device with a working tizen? |
| 10:54.41 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 10:54.52 | SpeedEvil | I am getting confused at dead projects. |
| 10:56.57 | maybeArgh | divide & conquer |
| 10:58.16 | SpeedEvil | So... Maemo, harmattan, meltimi, meego, moblin, |
| 10:58.22 | SpeedEvil | Is Limo dead? |
| 10:58.23 | scp1 | http://i.japh.se/n900/rp.png damdidam |
| 10:58.48 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 10:59.40 | SpeedEvil | Ah - limo got eaten by tizen |
| 11:00.12 | scp1 | meh is anything of all that producing any code? |
| 11:00.42 | SpeedEvil | Screw code. |
| 11:00.47 | SpeedEvil | Released hardware. |
| 11:01.30 | scp1 | as the situation is I'm confident I'll stay with n900/n950/n9 for quite some years into the future, because vendors simply doesn't seem to care about us |
| 11:01.49 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 11:02.03 | SpeedEvil | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/02/preorders-begin-for-spark-the-open-kde-tablet/ |
| 11:02.09 | SpeedEvil | sort-of |
| 11:02.45 | scp1 | sure but that's just a toy. or what's the purpose? |
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| 11:03.33 | SpeedEvil | And yes, there is that. |
| 11:03.55 | SpeedEvil | To do anything more than 'toy' - you need much more investment. |
| 11:04.22 | scp1 | at least in this area yeah |
| 11:04.25 | scp1 | sadly |
| 11:05.57 | scp1 | I wonder how the talk is going in nokia hc ... I haven't seen or even heard of anyone who bought/were interested in their windows phones. |
| 11:06.04 | scp1 | maybe the situation is different elsewhere |
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| 11:07.06 | SpeedEvil | Sacking almost all developers isn't exactly positive. |
| 11:07.55 | scp1 | and they had such a great thing going :( |
| 11:08.48 | scp1 | I guess breaking up with ms now would cost nokia more than what the company's worth |
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| 12:40.41 | infobot | estel_ <~Estel@Maemo/Community/council/Estel-> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 16h 12m 35s ago, saying: 'side effect - camera doesnt work too, despite fact, that - apparently - camera module is ok'. |
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| 12:56.23 | fasta | In what channels, if any do you ask your advanced Linux questions? I am finding that the signal to noise ration has become so low, it's much more efficient to figure out everything myself. |
| 12:56.34 | fasta | ratio* |
| 12:56.52 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 12:56.55 | Macer | hahaha |
| 12:57.08 | Macer | fasta: i'd have to agree with you there ;) |
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| 12:57.31 | Macer | most of it is "My printer works in windows but not in Linux can someone help me figure it out?????" |
| 12:57.51 | fasta | Even some developer channels are now getting infected with such issues. |
| 12:57.52 | Macer | "linux sucks because my $10 lexmark printer doesn't work! |
| 12:58.19 | fasta | Macer: no, more like "I stated information elements X, Y and Z, and then people ask whether Z holds." |
| 12:58.38 | Macer | well.. there is option b.. .start your own # and lay down iron fisted control of it |
| 12:58.48 | fasta | Macer: or asking 'what's the problem' after 3 minutes, which means that they don't know how to setup IRC properly. |
| 12:59.34 | fasta | There are IRC logs too, so if people really wanted to help, they could just have read that. |
| 12:59.38 | Macer | most of the time people just don't know how to fix the issue you're having... i agree with you that it is usually easier to simply figure it out yourself |
| 12:59.54 | Macer | fasta: yeah but who wants to go find logs or scroll up for someone else's problem? ;) |
| 12:59.55 | fasta | Macer: right, but instead of those people just shutting up, they 'try to help'. |
| 13:00.36 | Macer | heh.. what makes it worse is that most of the ones trying to help are 2 week windows converts who think because they run ubuntu they are linux experts |
| 13:00.48 | fasta | Macer: or very recently, I had a Gentoo user. |
| 13:01.02 | Macer | gentoo users are a special breed |
| 13:01.06 | fasta | Macer: he thought me using Ubuntu was a very bad insult. |
| 13:01.15 | Macer | yeah. that is typical. |
| 13:01.18 | fasta | Macer: of course, everyone who works at Google is also retarded. |
| 13:01.24 | fasta | (by the same logic) |
| 13:01.38 | Macer | ubuntu is great for the end user.. personally i'd rather use kubuntu |
| 13:01.48 | Macer | but as far as a linux distro that simply works after installed it is the closest thing |
| 13:01.55 | fasta | Macer: well, I installed Ubuntu, but use Kubuntu packages. |
| 13:02.06 | Macer | heh.. then why not just use kubuntu ;) |
| 13:02.11 | Macer | personally i love kde |
| 13:02.18 | fasta | Macer: I didn't know that when I installed, and I tried all of them. |
| 13:02.28 | fasta | Macer: I think I still have all of them installed. |
| 13:02.33 | fasta | Macer: I have the resources, so why not? |
| 13:02.38 | Macer | they're all the same anyways just a different ui |
| 13:02.48 | fasta | Macer: yeah, the terminal is the most important. |
| 13:02.56 | Macer | heh... don't tell that to the converts ;) |
| 13:03.11 | Macer | if you can't click to fix it just isn't worth it |
| 13:03.22 | fasta | I am very much passed the point where I care whether other people use it. |
| 13:03.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | cityLights: /join #maemo-ssu see /topic |
| 13:03.36 | Macer | well. that makes 1... about 2 billion more to go |
| 13:04.01 | fasta | Anyway, this channel is still not infected, although people might regard this as noise, which I suppose it is in some way. |
| 13:04.24 | Macer | not really |
| 13:04.49 | Macer | speaking of which.. if anybody wants to buy my n900 with a jacked up sim reader let me know :-P |
| 13:04.55 | Macer | checks not accepted |
| 13:05.07 | Macer | i'll give it up for $100 |
| 13:05.15 | Macer | (plus shipping) |
| 13:05.29 | Macer | other than the flakey sim reader it works great |
| 13:05.55 | Macer | one of you electronic nerds might be able to fix it |
| 13:05.59 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
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| 13:09.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: WUT? this channel has almost worst S/N I ever seen |
| 13:09.50 | ShadowJK | doubts it's actually sim reader |
| 13:10.12 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: which channels do you think have high S/N then? |
| 13:10.17 | ShadowJK | because on my devices also emergency calls, which work without sim, got disabled :P |
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| 13:10.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: would you be surprised when I got reasons not to mention their names? |
| 13:10.50 | Macer | ShadowJK: weird |
| 13:10.59 | Macer | did you actually try calling 911 with it? lol |
| 13:11.27 | ShadowJK | crossed out sim icon is just generic "modem failure" icon it seems |
| 13:11.41 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: well, you can send me in private message, unless you think I am also one of those morons. |
| 13:11.46 | Macer | yeah but my logs seem to show the sim reader failing |
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| 13:12.05 | Macer | as though it keeps losing it over and over... maybe it was some software issue but i haven't tried to flash it yet to stock |
| 13:12.08 | ShadowJK | oh? Paste? |
| 13:12.14 | Macer | it's CSSU's fault! |
| 13:12.15 | Macer | hides |
| 13:12.29 | Macer | ShadowJK: i really can't now... i honestly don't even know where my n900 is.. it's in my house somewhere collecting dust |
| 13:12.51 | Macer | but i noticed it resetting over and over in the logs |
| 13:12.53 | ShadowJK | i've never seen logs showing sim reader failing |
| 13:13.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't fall for macer, he's assuming it#s SIM holder though odds are it's usual modem chip defect |
| 13:13.13 | ShadowJK | Yeah I've only seen modem crashing. |
| 13:13.27 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: oh :-/ my bad.. figured it was a reader error |
| 13:14.04 | Macer | well.. i think it's still under warranty if someone wants to buy it for $100.. it's a UK based phone tho so nokia will only accept it from the UK :-/ |
| 13:14.17 | Macer | which totally sucks |
| 13:14.31 | ShadowJK | last time I checked, device bought in eu has eu wide warranty |
| 13:14.32 | Macer | there is no way for me to ship it to the UK through their methods in order to honor the warranty |
| 13:14.46 | Macer | ShadowJK: when i contacted nokia they said it was UK not EU |
| 13:14.50 | ShadowJK | (plus norway and switzerland, iirc) |
| 13:14.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should swap it for a XY-7 and sell that other shite, or keep it |
| 13:15.12 | Macer | don't dis my lumia 900 :) |
| 13:15.19 | Macer | it's actually a lot better than most people think |
| 13:15.25 | Macer | you're just spoiled by the n900 heh |
| 13:15.40 | ShadowJK | Making distinction between "UK" and "EU" is weird anyhow, there's no EU version of the phone |
| 13:16.00 | Macer | ShadowJK: i guess... either way... going from US to UK to send in is impossible |
| 13:16.15 | Macer | it has to originate from the UK Post |
| 13:16.47 | ShadowJK | Well for sure both "UK" and "EU" aren't accepted by us nokia care |
| 13:16.51 | Macer | i forgot the exact method but it has to be brought to the UK Post with a printed label.. it sucks. |
| 13:17.00 | Macer | ShadowJK: nope :( |
| 13:17.10 | Macer | free trade in action |
| 13:17.34 | Macer | i would guess that nokia is nokia but i guess geological positions matter to them |
| 13:18.13 | Macer | i mean it really doesn't matter to me.. i left tmobile anyways so i most likely wouldn't be using the n900 even if it did work. it was the only thing keeping me with tmobile |
| 13:18.19 | ShadowJK | So in other words, you never tried to excercise the eu wide warranty, and this entire screenful of debate was entirely pointless? |
| 13:18.20 | Macer | so maybe its for the better ;) |
| 13:18.54 | Macer | ShadowJK: i did.. i asked nokia if i could ship it overseas but they said that it would be impossible since you had to send it out using some UK post type of thing |
| 13:19.11 | Macer | their answer was the phone originated from the UK and it would have to be shipped from the UK to nokia uk |
| 13:19.18 | ShadowJK | Ah, so you didn't |
| 13:19.26 | ShadowJK | that clears things up |
| 13:19.29 | Macer | i tried.. but there isn't a way to go USPS to UK PO |
| 13:19.56 | Macer | i can probably dig up the email with the rma instructions.. but it really is pointless.. i just wrote the n900 off |
| 13:20.03 | Macer | as a defective device (2 of 2) |
| 13:20.16 | ShadowJK | Trying to send eu device from outside of eu to eu for service is same thing as trying to service eu device outside of eu |
| 13:20.16 | Macer | my first was the usb port then this one the sim reader/modem |
| 13:20.42 | Macer | ShadowJK: you can take a mercedez in to be repaired at a US based mercedez shop :-P |
| 13:20.54 | ShadowJK | That's their policy |
| 13:21.13 | Macer | i guess.. so nokia's is regions are different |
| 13:21.21 | ShadowJK | But as for the original claim that a UK device has no warranty in the EU outside of UK, that's false |
| 13:21.31 | Macer | it's not the EU tho |
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| 13:21.40 | Macer | nor did the EU ever come up in my conversation with customer support |
| 13:21.49 | Macer | it's US for a UK originated phone |
| 13:22.06 | Macer | and i was told it had to be sent via UK based PO |
| 13:22.24 | Macer | there was no way to send it to them via USPS to their UK warranty center |
| 13:23.13 | Macer | the EU/UK part is irrelevant |
| 13:23.31 | Macer | given my circumstance |
| 13:23.54 | Macer | so i guess you were right earlier.. it was pointless :) |
| 13:24.30 | Macer | anyways... if anybody wants it let me know.. i'll take $100 for it.. maybe you can send it in or something and get somthing else |
| 13:24.55 | Macer | otherwise i'll put it up on ebay and see if ther are any takers for my 2nd broken n900... NOKIA FTW |
| 13:25.12 | Macer | lets see if the lumia lasts longer than 1 year :) |
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| 16:30.18 | _PanzerSajt | ping freemangordon |
| 16:30.30 | freemangordon | _PanzerSajt: pong |
| 16:30.34 | _PanzerSajt | hy |
| 16:30.37 | freemangordon | hi |
| 16:30.42 | _PanzerSajt | So |
| 16:30.50 | _PanzerSajt | yes the kernel is woking fine |
| 16:30.55 | freemangordon | but? |
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| 16:31.05 | _PanzerSajt | but some modules are still missing |
| 16:31.12 | freemangordon | for example? |
| 16:31.19 | _PanzerSajt | and some are present but nor working in the way we need |
| 16:31.43 | freemangordon | do you have some list? |
| 16:31.46 | _PanzerSajt | here is a documentation how the stock kernel works |
| 16:31.46 | _PanzerSajt | http://natisbad.org/N900/n900-commented-hardware-specs.html |
| 16:32.04 | _PanzerSajt | and most of these modules are present but not working correctly |
| 16:32.13 | _PanzerSajt | for example the accelerometer |
| 16:33.14 | _PanzerSajt | ./sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord file doesn't exist |
| 16:33.33 | _PanzerSajt | but the folders exist |
| 16:33.37 | freemangordon | hmm, I see |
| 16:33.51 | _PanzerSajt | and the vibra also |
| 16:34.00 | freemangordon | did anyone tried to build newer kernel? |
| 16:34.04 | _PanzerSajt | the led module is woking but not driving the vibra |
| 16:34.24 | _PanzerSajt | I think yes |
| 16:34.42 | _PanzerSajt | but I think there were problems with the size |
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| 16:35.05 | _PanzerSajt | it was too big for the U-boot bootloader I think |
| 16:35.17 | _PanzerSajt | but if you could compile a newer kernel |
| 16:35.29 | _PanzerSajt | or at least provide me soma useful information |
| 16:35.53 | freemangordon | _PanzerSajt: well, I think I could help, but cannot be the driving force behind that. |
| 16:36.09 | freemangordon | if you have the questions, I could try to answer |
| 16:36.28 | freemangordon | but as I see it, it is a matter of forward-poering the drivers |
| 16:36.34 | freemangordon | *porting |
| 16:36.44 | _PanzerSajt | ok first how good are you in licensing? |
| 16:37.00 | freemangordon | you mean are kernel drivers FOSS? |
| 16:37.13 | _PanzerSajt | yes |
| 16:37.14 | freemangordon | yep, the whole kernel is GPLEed |
| 16:37.30 | freemangordon | no problems with licensing for the kernel |
| 16:37.37 | freemangordon | AFAIK |
| 16:39.34 | _PanzerSajt | and the kernel used in maemo contains only free drivers? |
| 16:39.46 | _PanzerSajt | for example these: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/ |
| 16:39.49 | freemangordon | yes, there is no other way |
| 16:40.48 | _PanzerSajt | and how can we compile these modules and use them later? |
| 16:41.06 | _PanzerSajt | just to point out: I have never compiled any kernel |
| 16:42.25 | freemangordon | _PanzerSajt: you need to forward-port them. I.e. make them compilable and compatible with whatever changes there are between 2.6.28.10 ( maemo5 kernel) and the kernel version you are forward-porting to. |
| 16:44.15 | _PanzerSajt | currently we are using 2.6.37 |
| 16:44.59 | _PanzerSajt | so the reason why some drivers are not working correctly is that the newer kernel works in a different way? |
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| 16:45.12 | freemangordon | yes. and it is Nemo one actually. |
| 16:45.27 | _PanzerSajt | oh thanks |
| 16:45.54 | _PanzerSajt | then I think I should learn how linux kernel works |
| 16:46.06 | freemangordon | _PanzerSajt: :D |
| 16:46.18 | _PanzerSajt | It's too complicated for me right now |
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| 16:47.15 | _PanzerSajt | and what about the omap-kernel |
| 16:47.19 | freemangordon | _PanzerSajt: you may start with setting up a build environment (SB2 should do the job) and cloning the 2.6.37 kernel tree (Nemo one) from here |
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| 16:49.51 | freemangordon | hmm, cannot find it right now, let me check in Ubuntu thread on TMO |
| 16:50.34 | _PanzerSajt | ok |
| 16:50.56 | _PanzerSajt | and what is the main difference between scratchbox and sb2? |
| 16:51.23 | merlin1991 | the way it works |
| 16:51.59 | _PanzerSajt | and I assume the sb2 is bettet, right? |
| 16:52.06 | _PanzerSajt | *better |
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| 16:52.37 | freemangordon | _PanzerSajt: here https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-device-adaptation/n900_kernel |
| 16:53.01 | freemangordon | the difference is you wont be able to compile 2.6.37 with gcc 4.2.1 AFAIK |
| 16:57.01 | _PanzerSajt | and sb2 exists only in source code on git? |
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| 17:00.10 | freemangordon | _PanzerSajt: NFC. I used gcc 4.6.2 (the one I am using to build -thumb stuff) to build nemo kernel in SB1. But you should setup a new environmemnt in SB, read #maemo logs from yesterday for howto do it |
| 17:01.29 | _PanzerSajt | one question remains: how I can read the log from yesterday? |
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| 17:03.23 | _PanzerSajt | sorry for these noob questions |
| 17:03.52 | freemangordon | _PanzerSajt: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ |
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| 17:06.34 | freemangordon | _PanzerSajt: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-06-16.log.html#t2012-06-16T18:28:44 |
| 17:07.40 | _PanzerSajt | freemangordon, yes I have found thanks |
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| 17:21.21 | _PanzerSajt | freemangordon, different topic, but can you help me how can I remap the keyboard layout on N900 with ubuntu so that pressing two specified key would emulate a TAB being pressed |
| 17:22.26 | freemangordon | _PanzerSajt: sorry, cannot help. |
| 17:22.51 | _PanzerSajt | no problem |
| 17:23.30 | _PanzerSajt | so now I have installed the -core and -libs package |
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| 17:25.27 | _PanzerSajt | freemangordon, nevermind I will try it later |
| 17:25.33 | _PanzerSajt | and thanks for your help |
| 17:26.57 | freemangordon | np |
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| 17:48.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | _PanzerSajt: ctrl-i traditionally is meant to mean <tab> |
| 17:49.12 | _PanzerSajt | DocScrutinizer, oh really thanks |
| 17:50.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course this will only work on char level, not on keycode level |
| 17:50.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | i.e usually on any line discipline |
| 17:51.26 | _PanzerSajt | my initial purpose was to use it in terminal |
| 17:51.32 | _PanzerSajt | and it works great |
| 17:51.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | apps that scan the keycodes will not recognize ctrl-i as <tab> |
| 17:51.59 | _PanzerSajt | ok that's fine |
| 17:52.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, shell is the prototypical case where it should work |
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| 17:53.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | except for fullscreen apps, like e.g. htop, which may or may not work with ctr-i as tab-substituate |
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| 17:53.17 | _PanzerSajt | since we don't have any tab key on N900 and I can't live without it I was always ssh-ing just to have TAB |
| 17:54.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, you got a true TAB key on the xterm softkeys |
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| 17:54.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | (at least I thought it's there by default) |
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| 17:55.33 | _PanzerSajt | yeah but I'm using ubuntu on N900 right now |
| 17:55.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah, yes. Forgot |
| 17:56.00 | _PanzerSajt | finally we managed to get dsp-working |
| 17:56.31 | _PanzerSajt | now I'm searching for a graphical player that can use it |
| 17:59.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I'm no friend of the approach to come from a bare bones standard system like ubuntu or open-embedded, and then try to add in all the stuff needed to support the platform. I prefer to come from an already working "board support package" like maemo fremantle and add-in/replace the stuff I'm missing and can cherrypick on e.g ubuntu |
| 18:03.56 | _PanzerSajt | yes but the problem for me that in mamemo some packages are outdated and the whole system is customized so it is not so simple to run your desired app |
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| 18:08.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, it seems way simpler than making your desired distro replace maemo |
| 18:08.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | outdated packages can get updated (something we do constantly over at CSSU) |
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| 18:11.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | while even for open components in maemo there are often inferior upstream implementations, esp when it comes to kernel driver modules etc |
| 18:13.07 | _PanzerSajt | yes that's right |
| 18:13.34 | _PanzerSajt | currently the thumb-2 cssu looks very interesting |
| 18:14.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless it breaks ABI compatibility so you can't expect cssu-thumb to play nice with standard apps |
| 18:15.01 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: tend to disagree |
| 18:15.09 | freemangordon | no ABI is broken |
| 18:15.37 | freemangordon | you can execute your ARM stuff in thumb2 environment |
| 18:15.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you manage to compile a kernel that's loading your random custom closed source module binary just fine, I'd agree |
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| 18:16.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you can't, it's just as incompatible as powerkernel is |
| 18:16.31 | _PanzerSajt | with ubuntu we have armhf kernel with thumb2 enabled |
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| 18:18.05 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: aah, since when Nokia customised omap1 kernel is the standard for ABI? |
| 18:18.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, ABI maybe not the exact term. OK |
| 18:19.07 | freemangordon | anyway, I am in gdb again, I'd better focus on it :) |
| 18:20.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway as long as apps like BlessN900 camera app come with drivers that don't work under that patched kernel, I think that's a compatibility issue |
| 18:21.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the issue is with kernel, not with the app |
| 18:21.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and nobody knows how many apps are out there that do stuff like that |
| 18:22.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, for somebody running ubuntu rather than maemo on N900 it's probably massively irrelevant |
| 18:22.45 | _PanzerSajt | yes but I'm still interested in everything in connection with n900 |
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| 18:28.45 | _PanzerSajt | do you know any other smartphone or tablet that runs linux and it can be considered as modern (max 2 years old) |
| 18:29.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | some think android==linux |
| 18:30.10 | _PanzerSajt | no android is just based on linux |
| 18:30.27 | _PanzerSajt | it has some differences in kernel also |
| 18:30.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | tell that my coleagues at work ;-D |
| 18:30.45 | _PanzerSajt | but basically it is just a virtual machine |
| 18:31.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | at my work actually linux means android |
| 18:32.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody ever says android there |
| 18:32.34 | _PanzerSajt | you work on a wrong place :) |
| 18:32.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes I think you're right ;-) |
| 18:36.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, usually I don't touch android either at work (no linux either), but recently that changed, since they "heard I know a bit about linux" (SIC!) |
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| 18:36.54 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: you shouldn't let slip that you know a bit about linux |
| 18:37.00 | merlin1991 | you know a bit about *proper* linux ;) |
| 18:37.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | for all that matters in that case, it's actually a correct proposition |
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| 18:38.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | but now I'm feeling constant nausea while makeing friend (or trying to do so) with android build environment at large |
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| 18:51.35 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05: Euro cup's been going well for you guys :P |
| 18:52.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: soccer? |
| 18:52.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | err MohammadAG^^^ |
| 18:52.53 | MohammadAG | It's called football |
| 18:53.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | see? |
| 18:53.03 | MohammadAG | Americans can call theirs handball |
| 18:54.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm honestly not very much excited. What happened to make to think it's going well? |
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| 18:54.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/to think/you think/ |
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| 18:56.30 | MohammadAG | You won/tied all games |
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| 18:56.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 18:56.41 | MohammadAG | There's a game right now, 0-0 |
| 18:56.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh there is? |
| 18:56.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | zaps a bit |
| 18:57.04 | MohammadAG | You and Denmark |
| 18:57.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 18:57.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | zaps back to NCIS |
| 18:58.27 | MohammadAG | wants ncis |
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| 19:04.03 | robbiethe1st | ...Wait, what? Is Estel's email seriously "twilight312@gmail.com" or am I misreading something? |
| 19:08.42 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05: You scored :p |
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| 19:11.18 | MohammadAG | And Denmark scored back |
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| 19:20.51 | merlin1991 | robbiethe1st: it is :/ |
| 19:20.57 | robbiethe1st | XD |
| 19:21.20 | robbiethe1st | I find that incredibly funny, for some reason |
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| 19:47.37 | ManoftheSea | Hello. I have an N900. I try to connect it to a bluetooth GPS (TomTom, SirfstarIII). It never locks, and eventually gives a connection failed message. |
| 19:47.49 | ManoftheSea | Google makes me think I'm the only one with this problem. |
| 19:48.00 | ManoftheSea | Does anyone else use an external GPS with their N900? |
| 19:48.50 | Venemo_N9 | I haven't, sorry |
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| 20:44.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen pali |
| 20:44.48 | infobot | pali <~pali@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 9d 20m 2s ago, saying: 'DocScrutinizer, what do you think about it?'. |
| 20:44.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang |
| 20:45.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | anybody else got a script to do proper backup of $maemo to a local PC? |
| 20:47.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | where $maemo=the repos and other relevant stuff |
| 20:47.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe even plus wiki |
| 20:47.53 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, yet another game won by you :P |
| 20:48.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | not by me :-) |
| 20:48.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly I'd prefer to do some serious stuff, rather than watch football |
| 20:50.06 | MohammadAG | doesn't hurt to have it in the background :P |
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| 20:50.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | NCIS been the better background |
| 20:51.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I just zapped and switchet to videotext, when some dudes outside shouted "...SCHLAAAAND" |
| 20:58.19 | Macer | my favorite part of fight club is when he is in his bi-monthly sickle cell circle |
| 20:58.22 | Macer | and he's the only white guy in the whole room |
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| 21:31.54 | chem|st | MohammadAG: it does hurt! everytime someone hits a football god kills a kitten! |
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| 21:34.03 | Venemo_N9 | who cares about football anyway? |
| 21:35.43 | chem|st | +1 |
| 21:36.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: you happen to have a scriptie to mirror the repos? |
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| 21:38.16 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: nope as they never setup rsync as requested 2.6 years ago |
| 21:38.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 21:38.28 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: but well could write one.. |
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| 21:38.45 | chem|st | want a mirror? |
| 21:38.54 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: I think I still have the script itself on my server |
| 21:38.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's that stuff from pali, but... |
| 21:39.06 | Venemo_N9 | so they're shutting down maemo.org, as I hear |
| 21:39.31 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: found it in my ff history |
| 21:39.38 | merlin1991 | http://pastebin.com/4GVQVZxL |
| 21:39.42 | merlin1991 | http://pastebin.com/SWeDqgZJ |
| 21:39.58 | merlin1991 | apply the 2nd to the ubuntu tarball of apt-mirror |
| 21:40.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 21:40.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | but sorry, what ubuntu tarball? |
| 21:41.40 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N9: McDonalds and Calsberg's beer apparently |
| 21:42.52 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: I think this should do: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/a/apt-mirror/apt-mirror_0.4.8.orig.tar.gz |
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| 21:45.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, changelog and TODO, no manpage, no readme, no friggin nuttin |
| 21:45.36 | chem|st | merlin1991: why not just provide a patched .deb? |
| 21:45.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | is temped to type apt-mirror_0.4.8.orig.tar.gz --help |
| 21:45.44 | merlin1991 | chem|st: because I have none? |
| 21:46.11 | merlin1991 | all I have is the diff and list in my ff history and a patched script somewhere on my server :D |
| 21:46.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | and some background what that stuff is meant to do, while I don't |
| 21:46.58 | merlin1991 | apt-mirror is a perl script that mirrors an apt repo |
| 21:47.08 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: for apt-mirror cfg you have http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Mirror |
| 21:47.14 | merlin1991 | pali patched it to send the maemo specific headers |
| 21:47.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | sudo mirror-a-repo-for-me |
| 21:47.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, he didn't |
| 21:48.02 | chem|st | merlin1991: erm maemo.nokia.com isn't maemo.org |
| 21:48.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | [jr@lagrange scripts]$ ./download.sh |
| 21:48.18 | merlin1991 | chem|st: it mirros sdk tool nokia binaries and nokia ssu repos |
| 21:48.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | --2012-06-17 23:15:31-- https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps///Release |
| 21:48.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2012-06-17 23:15:31 FEHLER 403: Forbidden. |
| 21:48.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ... :-/ |
| 21:49.05 | chem|st | merlin1991: will they be gone too? |
| 21:49.24 | merlin1991 | possibly I can't know |
| 21:49.42 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: untar that tar, apply the patch and read the first 50 lines of it |
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| 21:49.43 | merlin1991 | ffs |
| 21:50.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I did that on 3 or 4 of pali's tarball |
| 21:50.28 | Estel_ | preparations for doomsday after latest Nokia's exploits, eh? |
| 21:50.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | veeery enlightening |
| 21:50.45 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: do that for the apt-mirror from debian + patch from pastebin i posted |
| 21:50.51 | merlin1991 | because that stuff actually works |
| 21:51.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | see above, yeah |
| 21:55.06 | chem|st | merlin1991: patch this patch apt-mirror? |
| 21:55.11 | merlin1991 | yes |
| 21:55.47 | chem|st | so I just install apt-mirror from repo and patch is as it is perl?! |
| 21:56.02 | merlin1991 | that could work too |
| 21:56.20 | merlin1991 | I only got the tarball because it does not apply cleanly to my distrib apt-mirror |
| 21:56.22 | chem|st | well I mirror repo.maemo.org an then I'll try |
| 21:56.40 | chem|st | Estel_: yes |
| 21:56.59 | merlin1991 | chem|st: for maemo.org you could also use http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ |
| 21:57.15 | chem|st | wonders were his /ignore is gone.... |
| 21:57.57 | chem|st | merlin1991:have you all or just fremantle? |
| 21:58.06 | merlin1991 | just fremantle |
| 21:58.24 | merlin1991 | but if you give me the proper deb and deb-src lines I can add the others aswell |
| 21:58.56 | chem|st | just replace fremantle with diablo and the others... |
| 22:00.18 | chem|st | for extras it is diablo gregale chinook bora scirocco & mistral |
| 22:00.30 | chem|st | merlin1991: ^^^ |
| 22:01.12 | Venemo_N9 | huh |
| 22:01.19 | Venemo_N9 | how old are those |
| 22:01.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | in all that patches and tarball I fail to spot a single "maemo" |
| 22:01.33 | Venemo_N9 | I'm wondering whether anyone's using them |
| 22:01.41 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: because it's a friggin generic mirror this apt repo tool |
| 22:01.48 | chem|st | have a look at http://repository.maemo.org/pool/ |
| 22:01.50 | merlin1991 | the patch adds nokia(tm) headers |
| 22:02.03 | merlin1991 | and you supply it with the list of repos from the first pastebin to get the stuff |
| 22:02.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh, suply like in? |
| 22:02.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know, there's no manpage |
| 22:02.47 | merlin1991 | drop them in a file and find the comman line parameter that is in the first few lines of the script |
| 22:02.55 | merlin1991 | there is a friggin embedded helptext there |
| 22:02.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I have no friggin clue how this stuff is meant to be used |
| 22:03.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | coooool |
| 22:03.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | where? |
| 22:04.01 | merlin1991 | everything from the beginning till =head1 CURRENT AUTHORS |
| 22:04.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | in which file? |
| 22:04.25 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: you patch the apt-mirror file and download the OTHER then you edit the path in OTHER and start 'apt-mirror $PATH_TO_OTHER' |
| 22:04.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaaah |
| 22:05.20 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: and make path somewhere +60GB |
| 22:06.02 | chem|st | oh it is with sources... make it 120GB |
| 22:06.25 | chem|st | and with all versions.. are you guys crazy? |
| 22:06.29 | merlin1991 | extras devel + extras + cssu + cssu testing (including sources) is 109 gb |
| 22:06.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | path like "set base_path /var/spool/apt-mirror" ? |
| 22:06.34 | chem|st | who needs that obsolete stuff? |
| 22:06.39 | chem|st | yes |
| 22:06.48 | merlin1991 | sdk + tools + all ssu repos is 19gb |
| 22:07.03 | chem|st | 130GB even... |
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| 22:07.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | gasp |
| 22:07.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, RIP mirror-idea |
| 22:08.05 | chem|st | merlin1991: so you have everything but nokia? |
| 22:08.25 | merlin1991 | chem|st: I have everything but pre fremantle stuff |
| 22:08.36 | merlin1991 | and I have to save the sb rootstraps and packages |
| 22:08.56 | chem|st | merlin1991: so why do I need to mirror it again? |
| 22:09.06 | merlin1991 | I have nfc |
| 22:09.07 | chem|st | do you have an rsync-mirror setup? |
| 22:09.13 | merlin1991 | nope |
| 22:09.23 | merlin1991 | and the nokia stuff isn't public because (C) |
| 22:09.33 | chem|st | would you mind or is this killing your traffic? |
| 22:09.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | who cares? |
| 22:10.12 | merlin1991 | chem|st: my traffic would be fine, only $nokia lawyer scares me slightly |
| 22:10.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | my traffic doesn't matter, but my storage is waaay to low |
| 22:10.41 | chem|st | where there is no lawyer for maemo as there is no more staff in $maemo |
| 22:11.05 | Venemo_N9 | what did the lawyer say? |
| 22:11.06 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: got plenty so no worries |
| 22:11.31 | chem|st | Venemo_N9: he's drowned lately |
| 22:12.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | anybody without any prior or current Nokia device here? no? so what's the issue with all of us downloading Nokia(C) stuff? |
| 22:13.36 | merlin1991 | you guys have no problem |
| 22:13.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, if Nokia wouldn't want us to download it, they wouldn't offer it for download, no? |
| 22:13.44 | merlin1991 | I on the other hand am distributing it |
| 22:14.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's not what I asked for ;-) |
| 22:15.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | (though it seems there are some private copies of nok stuff on my server which I accidentally haven't set -r) |
| 22:15.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course I will fix thjat as soon as Nokia complains |
| 22:16.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | for now I guess it's only been a prank somebody played on me, as I can't find any such stuff |
| 22:16.24 | Venemo_N9 | nah, good night guys |
| 22:16.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | but as mentioned before, only ~30GB free storage on that box |
| 22:17.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | should get a phatter server |
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| 22:18.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | a goddamn 130GB? incredible |
| 22:20.25 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: running... |
| 22:20.40 | chem|st | merlin1991: my folder looks somehow weird |
| 22:21.02 | merlin1991 | ... |
| 22:21.42 | merlin1991 | chem|st: you gotta be a bit more specific ;) |
| 22:21.51 | chem|st | i know |
| 22:22.00 | chem|st | Proceed indexes: [SSSSSSSSSSSSPsh: 1: cannot open downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/apps///.//Packages.gz: No such file |
| 22:22.03 | chem|st | apt-mirror: can't open index in proceed_index_gz at /usr/bin/apt-mirror line 458. |
| 22:22.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | same I got |
| 22:22.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | see above |
| 22:22.31 | chem|st | I have no clue about perl... |
| 22:22.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | though with pali's scripts |
| 22:22.42 | chem|st | +1 |
| 22:22.51 | merlin1991 | chem|st: and you applied the patch? |
| 22:23.26 | chem|st | sure, and only two lines got rejected as they were the same |
| 22:24.44 | merlin1991 | hm |
| 22:27.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.debian.net/175018/ |
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| 22:29.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think I spotted some magic in one of the scripts to extract ssl keys from somewhere |
| 22:30.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | which would suggest this script menat to run *on n900* |
| 22:30.17 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: found it, missing @args in 216 |
| 22:30.21 | chem|st | or some |
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| 22:30.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | otoh last line of same script been > find /somewhere -name foobar -exec rm {} ; |
| 22:30.54 | chem|st | merlin1991: 157.8GB |
| 22:31.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that doesn't work with messybox as we all know |
| 22:33.30 | merlin1991 | chem|st: that includes what? |
| 22:34.46 | chem|st | merlin1991: that includes the mirror.list you posted |
| 22:35.01 | merlin1991 | wonders why he only has 19 gb |
| 22:35.34 | chem|st | cause you already got 130 from maemo... |
| 22:36.33 | merlin1991 | ah yeah |
| 22:36.42 | merlin1991 | because it has extras extras-testing and extras-devel |
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| 22:36.51 | merlin1991 | I only copied the ssu sdk and tools repos |
| 22:36.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | EEEEK |
| 22:37.00 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: what? |
| 22:37.09 | merlin1991 | and to -devel + extras independent |
| 22:37.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least testing might die unnoticed behind a hill |
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| 22:38.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | AIUI there's hardly any relevant version in tetsing, no? |
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| 22:38.44 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: ehrm for about a year only testing holds relevant versions^^ |
| 22:38.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm |
| 22:39.11 | chem|st | as noone pushed anyhting |
| 22:39.21 | chem|st | till last week |
| 22:39.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I somehow thought that's -devel |
| 22:39.55 | chem|st | devel is like killing my device if I upgrade from it |
| 22:40.15 | merlin1991 | apt-get upgrade is a bad idea anyway xD |
| 22:40.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but the versions in devel and testing usually should be same |
| 22:40.50 | chem|st | 50% of my post-flashed-cssu_installed software is or was from testing |
| 22:41.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | if they're not, then I'd rather forget about testing than devel |
| 22:41.23 | chem|st | got like 30 upgrades if a set devel active in ham |
| 22:41.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, anyway seems there's plenty of room for symlinks, hardlinks, and bzip2 |
| 22:42.55 | chem|st | yes |
| 22:43.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's OTOH plenty of arguments why a decent server should have at least 1TB storage ;-D |
| 22:44.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, this silly thing I got been planned as a bouncer, nuttin else |
| 22:44.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | for that the 50GB are plenty |
| 22:45.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I again start to consider getting a decent one for hosting a few maemo related things |
| 22:45.18 | chem|st | I download it and will shove it up to uni-ftp if I get permission, at least for extras* |
| 22:45.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | good plan |
| 22:46.04 | chem|st | the admin just didn't want to download 400GB if only 10GB upload will happen ever |
| 22:46.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | the proprietary crap might already fit on those 30GB free |
| 22:46.28 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: 19GB prop. |
| 22:46.30 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: the proprietary crap is 16 gb |
| 22:46.42 | merlin1991 | chem|st: I checked again it's actually only 16 |
| 22:47.00 | chem|st | k |
| 22:47.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: hetzner? |
| 22:48.27 | chem|st | me |
| 22:48.32 | chem|st | ? |
| 22:48.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | your box |
| 22:48.41 | chem|st | no I got no hetzner server |
| 22:48.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 22:49.07 | chem|st | one is amazon the other two are selfhosted |
| 22:49.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | SELFhosted? dang, with FDDI backbone? |
| 22:50.14 | chem|st | misleading sry |
| 22:50.22 | chem|st | hosted but my own hardware |
| 22:50.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah |
| 22:50.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | colo |
| 22:50.33 | chem|st | one is down atm |
| 22:50.51 | chem|st | one is mining bitcoins 24/7 |
| 22:50.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 22:51.02 | chem|st | I love powerflat! |
| 22:55.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: so could you share the fixed script, so eventually I could run it when I got a server with more sotrage? |
| 22:55.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | or strip down the list to exclude the fat stuff |
| 22:56.30 | jacekowski | i have a mirror |
| 22:56.34 | jacekowski | for maemo repo |
| 22:56.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, and anyody got an idea how to mirror wiki? |
| 22:56.49 | jacekowski | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/mirror/repository.maemo.org/ |
| 22:56.58 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer05: you can download whole DB |
| 22:57.01 | jacekowski | ahhh |
| 22:57.03 | jacekowski | that wiki |
| 22:57.03 | merlin1991 | nfc how to mirror wiki properly |
| 22:57.10 | merlin1991 | jacekowski: how? |
| 22:57.12 | jacekowski | wget -r? |
| 22:57.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: it's getting a popular game now to get more mirrors |
| 22:57.33 | jacekowski | merlin1991: normal wikipedia publishes their db dumps daily |
| 22:57.42 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 22:57.56 | merlin1991 | gotta contact nemain then :/ |
| 22:58.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 22:58.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | wget is no brilliant idea |
| 22:58.31 | jacekowski | http://dumps.wikimedia.org/backup-index.html |
| 22:58.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | you get all special pages, which adds up to a *100 explosion |
| 22:59.35 | jacekowski | iirc it's around 1TB in total |
| 22:59.42 | jacekowski | compressed |
| 23:00.34 | jacekowski | but plain text articles are under 10G compressed |
| 23:09.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: the wiki.maemo.org? |
| 23:10.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn that shouldn't be more than 10GB, maybe 20 |
| 23:11.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, with all edit history it might be some GB actually |
| 23:14.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special:Allpages&from=100Days plus http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special:Allpages&from=Maemo_Summit_2009/Schedule/Day_3 should convert to a wget script easily |
| 23:15.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | and shouldn't be that much actually |
| 23:16.03 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer05: i was talking about wikipedia.org |
| 23:16.30 | jacekowski | can we ask X-Fade for db dumps? |
| 23:16.39 | jacekowski | ~x-fade |
| 23:16.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 23:17.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | asking is for free ;-D |
| 23:18.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw the above linked two pages don't contain the /user:* pages it seems |
| 23:18.15 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: patch brakes with adding @args in line 54 |
| 23:19.04 | chem|st | my system is now load 31 31 28... ram 16GB used swap 8GB used... is it need be wget? |
| 23:20.13 | jacekowski | wget shouldn't be using that much |
| 23:20.27 | jacekowski | what are you running exactly |
| 23:20.40 | chem|st | 90% wget in ram |
| 23:20.49 | chem|st | apt-mirror |
| 23:20.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: does this script start a new background shell for each wget? ;-) |
| 23:21.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | (would probably run out of TCP ports eventually) |
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| 23:22.46 | chem|st | no but it is 3 wgets with --no-cache... |
| 23:23.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's --no-cache? |
| 23:23.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, that's server side |
| 23:24.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | while your server is the client on that wget |
| 23:25.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | a nd I wonder if that's actually needed (no-cache) |
| 23:25.12 | chem|st | cannot write the line as I have no more response |
| 23:25.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ?? o.O |
| 23:25.54 | chem|st | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.10 | chem|st | why? I have no clue |
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| 23:26.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | vserver? |
| 23:28.17 | chem|st | no proper 4core 16GB ram 4TB-hdd |
| 23:31.38 | chem|st | ok retry.... cannot be it can it! |
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| 23:32.06 | chem|st | just exited anything writing or reading from that disk *fingers-crossed* |
| 23:32.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | check smart |
| 23:32.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | and dmesg |
| 23:33.31 | jacekowski | tweak vfs |
| 23:34.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: how exactly? |
| 23:34.57 | jacekowski | http://pastebin.com/1tT3E79y |
| 23:35.00 | jacekowski | that's what i've got |
| 23:35.36 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.36 | jacekowski | Mem: 24164 23936 227 0 0 18897 |
| 23:35.36 | jacekowski | -/+ buffers/cache: 5039 19125 |
| 23:35.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | this laptop/distri killing me with those random 10..100s lags on starting any app, particularly browser |
| 23:36.17 | jacekowski | get ssd |
| 23:36.20 | jacekowski | and windows |
| 23:36.36 | jacekowski | i never thought my laptop can start so fast untill i bought an ssd |
| 23:36.39 | jacekowski | a ssd* |
| 23:37.05 | chem|st | jacekowski: increase or decrease? |
| 23:37.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I think there's not even any read from HDD involved when those lags occur |
| 23:37.32 | jacekowski | chem|st: some are increased some are decreased |
| 23:37.40 | chem|st | jacekowski: I mean vfs |
| 23:37.59 | chem|st | i niced it for now... 40% ram usage |
| 23:38.06 | jacekowski | look at my paste |
| 23:38.14 | jacekowski | http://pastebin.com/1tT3E79y |
| 23:38.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh you run that as root maybe? |
| 23:38.25 | jacekowski | first 4 are the important ones |
| 23:38.37 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer05: what? |
| 23:38.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: ^^^ |
| 23:38.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: apt-mirror |
| 23:39.29 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: did not want to run as user^^ |
| 23:39.35 | chem|st | lmc |
| 23:39.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no excuse for a proper 4core box writing to a 4TB drive @ 2MB/s |
| 23:40.21 | jacekowski | i that's pretty fast |
| 23:40.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 23:40.56 | jacekowski | 15krpm drive can deliver 1M/s for fully random writes |
| 23:41.36 | jacekowski | anyways, i've got my own apt-mirror setup |
| 23:41.40 | jacekowski | if anybody is interested |
| 23:41.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | definitely yes |
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| 23:42.09 | jacekowski | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/mirror/ |
| 23:43.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, I thought about the setup, not the mirror :-D |
| 23:43.21 | jacekowski | ahm |
| 23:43.29 | jacekowski | well, |
| 23:43.56 | jacekowski | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1046446/ |
| 23:44.01 | jacekowski | that's my setup file |
| 23:44.11 | jacekowski | apt-mirror /home/maemo/mirror.list |
| 23:44.15 | jacekowski | that's all it takes to run it |
| 23:44.23 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: you're assuming 1 seek per rev |
| 23:44.38 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: As I understad it, ost drives can't quite do that. |
| 23:45.02 | SpeedEvil | Actually - no drives can do that - it's physically impossible. |
| 23:45.13 | jacekowski | well, drives can seek pretty fast |
| 23:45.18 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 23:45.27 | jacekowski | and home drives can deliver around 80 iops |
| 23:45.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait what? you're talking about writing one random block ber rotation? |
| 23:45.34 | jacekowski | 15k drives can deliver over 2 of that |
| 23:45.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | per* |
| 23:45.43 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Sure. |
| 23:45.55 | jacekowski | NCQ helps a bit as well |
| 23:46.07 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: but that's not 250iops/s |
| 23:46.31 | SpeedEvil | And reordering helps a little, yes. |
| 23:47.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, on writing new data out of cache, reordering should help quite a lot |
| 23:47.17 | chem|st | jacekowski: something else was hogging it so it was 'random writes' |
| 23:47.44 | chem|st | 30MB/s |
| 23:47.47 | jacekowski | chem|st: tweaking vfs will help a lot |
| 23:47.53 | jacekowski | chem|st: so it waits bit more to write it |
| 23:48.05 | jacekowski | so it can order it a lot better |
| 23:48.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | with 16GB used up for buffers I'd think it already waits long enough |
| 23:48.24 | chem|st | so 100 isnt a good idea? |
| 23:49.19 | jacekowski | i'm talking about all those numbers |
| 23:49.24 | jacekowski | not only cache pressure |
| 23:50.00 | jacekowski | dirty_background_ratio dirty_expire_centisecs dirty_ratio dirty_writeback_centisecs |
| 23:50.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | [18.06.2012 01:19:03] <chem|st> my system is now load 31 31 28... ram 16GB used swap 8GB used... is it need be wget? |
| 23:50.22 | jacekowski | those 4 increased will help a lot |
| 23:50.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | help a lot on what exactly? |
| 23:50.46 | jacekowski | with write performance on random writes |
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| 23:50.54 | jacekowski | however it will use more ram at the same time |
| 23:51.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | AHA |
| 23:51.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | see last quote |
| 23:51.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ram 16GB used |
| 23:51.26 | chem|st | jacekowski: ram is gone by then... |
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| 23:51.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | [18.06.2012 01:48:20] <DocScrutinizer05> with 16GB used up for buffers I'd think it already waits long enough |
| 23:51.56 | jacekowski | didn't notice the swap part |
| 23:52.21 | chem|st | atm it is 8GB ram and 200MB swap... without nice |
| 23:52.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | au contraire I think it swaps out too aggressive |
| 23:52.39 | chem|st | but I think it will take only a few more minutes^^ |
| 23:52.57 | chem|st | just a bit longer than before... |
| 23:53.13 | chem|st | 9GB ram |
| 23:53.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | used by? |
| 23:53.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | buffers, cache...? |
| 23:53.54 | chem|st | 50% by wget so7.x GB |
| 23:54.10 | chem|st | 53% |
| 23:54.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq, wget can't use 50% of 9GB |
| 23:54.23 | chem|st | 54 |
| 23:54.32 | chem|st | 50%of 16GB |
| 23:54.50 | chem|st | 55% of 16GB |
| 23:55.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you invoke one wget instance to download one or several files summing up to >>9GB |
| 23:55.29 | chem|st | seems like that is what it is doing |
| 23:55.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | OMG |
| 23:56.10 | chem|st | wget per letter but max 3 at a time^^ |
| 23:56.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 23:56.34 | chem|st | 61% by 2 of those 3 wgets |
| 23:56.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, 3 wgets then |
| 23:56.45 | chem|st | per letter in /pool |
| 23:56.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | does PID change? |
| 23:57.11 | chem|st | no |
| 23:57.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | this job is a brainfsck |
| 23:57.30 | chem|st | and the lowset PID is the smallest in RAM |
| 23:58.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | you shouldn't download 1M files with 150GB total size via one wget process |
| 23:59.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | now I seem to see what was the *intention* of --no-cache |
| 23:59.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | just --no-cache doesn't do what the intention been |
