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| 00:00.20 | Hurrian | alphachat.net |
| 00:00.31 | Hurrian | crap, wrong window |
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| 00:51.13 | sr71 | 192.168.0.0/16, 10.0.0.0/8, 172.16.0.0/12 are all private rfc1918 space |
| 01:22.53 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, selop isn't registered. :P |
| 01:23.10 | GeneralAntilles | recalls the Stephan Elop badge from MeeGoSF |
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| 02:10.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: I disassembled my new device. Seems it's actually no repair or refurbish |
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| 02:13.15 | ShadowJK | demo devices? |
| 02:14.41 | GeneralAntilles | facepalms at the council meeting logs. |
| 02:20.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | linky? |
| 02:21.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: possible. Exposure devices or sth |
| 02:21.37 | GeneralAntilles | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2012-06-15.log.html#t2012-06-15T21:31:00 |
| 02:21.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | from some display |
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| 02:30.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | prefers headdesking |
| 02:30.43 | GeneralAntilles | My head is hard. |
| 02:30.46 | GeneralAntilles | Er |
| 02:30.47 | GeneralAntilles | shit |
| 02:30.49 | GeneralAntilles | My desk is hard. |
| 02:31.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | emergency account, PFFFFF |
| 02:31.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | OMFG only 4 chanops around, we're screwed whenever something bad happens |
| 02:32.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | and we're screwed when Nokia pulls the plug on tmo |
| 02:32.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | and we're screwed when we don't find a way out of our maze |
| 02:33.00 | GeneralAntilles | SOMEONE SET US UP THE BOMB |
| 02:33.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack |
| 02:33.18 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: :) |
| 02:33.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~nuke tmo |
| 02:33.47 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at tmo ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 02:34.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah, that codepage missing in recent fedora install |
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| 02:46.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: what makes council think IRC needs supervision by our ambassadors err kings arrr councils? |
| 02:46.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | what are chanops for when we need council account to deal with emergencies? |
| 02:47.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | what makes council think being council qualified for managing IRC? |
| 02:47.50 | LaoLang_cool | hi, anyone using latest testing version of fmms |
| 02:48.05 | LaoLang_cool | auto-rotation's performance is bad |
| 02:48.31 | LaoLang_cool | take too much time to re-arrange the page of mms when rotating |
| 02:49.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | and who T F said council was meant to "take responsibility" and define rules and policies all over the place? |
| 02:50.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | IIRC council was meant to know what's going on in community, to speak "with one voice" to Nokia. And vice versa, explain to community what Nokia is doing |
| 02:51.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | the rules and policies all already exist, it just seems current council isn't happy with them |
| 02:56.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: you got any statistics whatsoever about how much channel moderation/'operation' been needed during last year? |
| 02:56.14 | GeneralAntilles | I don't |
| 02:56.16 | GeneralAntilles | But it aint much. |
| 02:56.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 02:56.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | we might search chanlogs for "chanserv gives +o" |
| 02:58.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | shared emergency account, homegrown made up policies about how to nominate chanops - I'm going to headdesk a bit more, just for the fun in it |
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| 02:59.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF do we need any council to "supervise" IRC when every user can ping any chanop and chan founder directly, as to be found on /msg chanserv access #maemo list ? |
| 03:00.34 | GeneralAntilles | Or freaking hit a staffer if it's a real emergency. |
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| 03:00.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 03:00.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | freenode suggests this on every single login MOTD |
| 03:01.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | /stats -p |
| 03:01.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | /join #freenode |
| 03:02.16 | jrayhawk | i thought freenode had an eighteen month backlog of support requests |
| 03:03.44 | GeneralAntilles | jrayhawk, for registering contacts |
| 03:03.49 | GeneralAntilles | not for dealing with spam'n'shit |
| 03:06.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | or with trolls |
| 03:08.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | or with phantom bouncers that make users start to cry |
| 03:10.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | (cheers lcuk, we for sure could use some of your friendly reasonable way to comment on things now) |
| 03:19.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh here it is, plain text: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2012-06-15.log.html#t2012-06-15T22:02:34 No, I don't recall ever having seen such statement anywhere in council manifest and associated wiki pages, or anything else |
| 03:20.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | the responsibilities of coucil are clearly about council first and foremost, about coordination of meetings, about funding and hiring professional support |
| 03:20.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | afair |
| 03:20.49 | GeneralAntilles | Council's job is facilitation primarily. |
| 03:20.59 | GeneralAntilles | That also involves a bit of administrative overhead. |
| 03:21.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that's the job. Not the responsibilities |
| 03:21.31 | GeneralAntilles | Er, right |
| 03:21.33 | GeneralAntilles | I speak English. |
| 03:21.34 | GeneralAntilles | I promise. |
| 03:22.34 | robbiethe1st | To be honest, I'm glad I haven't gotten involved with the Council... Seems like a bunch of drama/baby-sitting... :\ |
| 03:22.44 | GeneralAntilles | Teehee |
| 03:23.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | it seems to me parts of council try to enforce responsibility and "might" since they lack those coming naturally from merits and respect for what they did and do |
| 03:23.05 | GeneralAntilles | The ITT -> Talk changeover was a fun one. |
| 03:23.48 | robbiethe1st | Didn't we just, erm, add a DNS record there and some minor code to change links appropriately? |
| 03:24.07 | GeneralAntilles | The theme was changed |
| 03:24.21 | GeneralAntilles | It was like running full-speed into a termite mound. |
| 03:25.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and honestly all that naggedinagg and yaggediyag about IRC is moot, as #maemo is a trademark of Nokia, and thus nobody of council will ever become GC, since that would need to go past Nokia's lawyers, of nothing else |
| 03:27.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/ of no/ if no/ |
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| 03:28.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: btw, you ever noticed strange behaviour of tmo regarding construction of links on any page? |
| 03:29.02 | GeneralAntilles | Construction of links in posts? |
| 03:29.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | invoke a page as itt/xy and all the links are also itt |
| 03:29.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | invoke it as IP/xy and the links on that page are IP/a IP/b ... |
| 03:29.52 | GeneralAntilles | Huh |
| 03:29.56 | GeneralAntilles | File a bug? |
| 03:30.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | and even change notification mail in that case has an URL based on IP ;-P |
| 03:31.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly we should kick that out and just have a CNAME record for itt |
| 03:32.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | from my noobish POV on how HTTP etc works |
| 03:32.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | still you get more google hits to ITT than to tmo usually |
| 03:33.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is kinda odd |
| 03:33.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and quite conventiently annoying, regarding anything like auto-login based on URL |
| 03:35.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, filing a bug feels ... futile when the bug is against tmo infra |
| 03:35.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I'm mistaken on that |
| 03:36.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: ^^^ RFC |
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| 03:44.32 | robbiethe1st | Resistance is futile? |
| 03:44.47 | robbiethe1st | (when ohms <1) |
| 03:45.01 | robbiethe1st | [is tired. Ignore anything I say] |
| 03:45.14 | robbiethe1st | {For some reason, which I do not know} |
| 03:45.39 | robbiethe1st | <_> |
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| 07:23.43 | Guest28766 | Sc0rpius, yes how would I otherwise build for armel??? |
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| 07:26.14 | ED-209 | hi |
| 07:26.25 | ED-209 | does anyone here use pwnie express? |
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| 07:32.03 | ED-209 | I realise people probably hate the pwnie express guy for pilfering all the stuff off here and selling it, but I installed it on my spare n900 and there are a few things that don't quite work |
| 07:33.19 | ED-209 | not sure how to properly update them |
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| 10:07.42 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: I know sometimes it is messing up but no can do... |
| 10:08.29 | chem|st | itt is still itt |
| 10:08.45 | chem|st | ~itt |
| 10:08.45 | infobot | somebody said itt was the forums on internettablettalk.com ( http://internettablettalk.com/forums ) |
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| 13:03.56 | merlin1991 | anybody else who can't login to tmo using rekonq? |
| 13:05.17 | merlin1991 | hm seems to be the fsckd caching of rekonq |
| 13:05.19 | merlin1991 | totally fucked up |
| 13:08.11 | DocScrutinizer06 | chem|st: wow, it "just works" - why did I see so many URLs where it didn't? |
| 13:09.05 | Guest28766 | Is anybody else running a scratchbox with CSSU? |
| 13:09.10 | Guest28766 | I run into |
| 13:09.14 | Guest28766 | dpkg: regarding .../x11proto-input-dev_2.0-3-meego392+0m6_all.deb containing x11proto-input-dev: |
| 13:09.15 | Guest28766 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.03 | Guest28766 | wondering why I seem to be the only one with that issue. |
| 13:10.15 | Guest28766 | Are all other people using a scratchbox alternative? |
| 13:11.15 | Guest28766 | Here is the source of the x11proto... package |
| 13:11.17 | Guest28766 | http://paste.kde.org/501326/ |
| 13:12.23 | merlin1991 | Guest28766: are you in a maemo5 rootstrap |
| 13:12.28 | merlin1991 | or insdie a maemo4 one? |
| 13:13.27 | DocScrutinizer06 | chem|st: lol ->> |
| 13:13.30 | DocScrutinizer06 | HaleBopp:~ # host talk.maemo.org |
| 13:13.32 | DocScrutinizer06 | talk.maemo.org is an alias for forums.internettablettalk.com. |
| 13:13.33 | DocScrutinizer06 | forums.internettablettalk.com has address 74.86.202.247 |
| 13:13.47 | DocScrutinizer06 | http://74.86.202.247 |
| 13:16.04 | merlin1991 | Guest28766: the cssu repo only has armel packages |
| 13:16.18 | merlin1991 | thus you're not goign to install anything cssu on your X86 target |
| 13:17.35 | DocScrutinizer06 | chem|st: seems like internettablettalk.com/forums works just nice, while forums.internettablettalk.com does really not |
| 13:17.47 | Guest28766 | merlin1991, ok, but I see a similar issue on armel: |
| 13:18.17 | DocScrutinizer06 | chem|st: very puzzling |
| 13:18.37 | DocScrutinizer06 | ~usb-networking |
| 13:18.37 | infobot | it has been said that usb-networking is http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking, or http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking, or http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/usb-networking |
| 13:18.42 | merlin1991 | Guest28766: http://paste.debian.net/174810/ |
| 13:18.53 | merlin1991 | something has to be wrong with your sb |
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| 13:19.27 | merlin1991 | Guest28766: what does dpkg --verison say? (mine is 1.15.5.2 (i386)) |
| 13:19.46 | DocScrutinizer06 | ooh, lol. I'm even more puzzled, might I have mixed up some complaints about wiki.maemo.org with talk.maemo.org? |
| 13:21.13 | Guest28766 | http://paste.kde.org/501350/ |
| 13:21.21 | Guest28766 | is the issue on armel |
| 13:21.28 | DocScrutinizer06 | chem|st: GeneralAntilles: sorry for mixing stuff - see http://80.248.164.233/Main_Page |
| 13:21.48 | Guest28766 | 1.13.25 |
| 13:22.05 | merlin1991 | Guest28766: you seem to have a completely foobar scratchbox |
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| 13:23.01 | Guest28766 | What do you mean with foobar? |
| 13:23.15 | DocScrutinizer06 | fubar |
| 13:23.21 | DocScrutinizer06 | ~fubar |
| 13:23.22 | infobot | fubar is F*cked Up Beyond Any Recognition, e.g. "This whole operation is fubar, soldier" (gay lisp included), or a bar addon like Titan Panel and Telo's InfoBar. and everything. |
| 13:23.51 | Guest28766 | thanks :-) |
| 13:24.00 | SpeedEvil | hmm. |
| 13:24.01 | Guest28766 | why, what is your dpkg version? |
| 13:24.16 | SpeedEvil | Does gay lisp use especially curly brackets? |
| 13:24.16 | Guest28766 | oh, I see |
| 13:24.29 | Guest28766 | can you please post apt-cache policy dpkg |
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| 13:24.34 | Guest28766 | and your sources.list? |
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| 13:26.37 | Guest28766 | merlin1991 can you help with the output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"? |
| 13:27.09 | Guest28766 | I need to leave now, please post anyways, I will read the irclogs |
| 13:29.41 | merlin1991 | Guest28766: http://paste.debian.net/174812/ |
| 13:30.05 | merlin1991 | looks like you have some harmattan sources there at some point |
| 13:31.46 | Guest28766 | hmm....that is mine |
| 13:31.48 | Guest28766 | http://paste.debian.net/174813/ |
| 13:33.10 | Guest28766 | you do not even have cssu? |
| 13:33.50 | merlin1991 | I've compiled the packages locally and installed them by hand :D |
| 13:34.18 | merlin1991 | Guest28766: one important thing when running a cssu scratchbox |
| 13:34.29 | merlin1991 | you have to disable extras / extras-something |
| 13:34.39 | Guest28766 | what does your apt-cache policy dpkg show? |
| 13:34.41 | merlin1991 | there are some libs / updated tools in there that fuck you up |
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| 13:35.18 | Guest28766 | that has probably bidden me :-( |
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| 13:35.31 | merlin1991 | aso you don't need to enable all 3 repos |
| 13:35.38 | merlin1991 | because -devel contains everything |
| 13:35.55 | merlin1991 | -testing is a smaller subset of -devel and extras is an even smaller subset of testing |
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| 13:38.58 | Guest28766 | ok, thanks, need to continue later. |
| 13:39.22 | Guest28766 | can you give me your "apt-cache policy dpkg" output |
| 13:40.07 | merlin1991 | Guest28766: dpkg is actually the same |
| 13:40.16 | merlin1991 | I didn't realize that I was in the harmattan scratchbox :D |
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| 13:44.39 | merlin1991 | I hate the new muon updater, you never know if it works or just crashed |
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| 13:58.07 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: afaics only the category-tree link is somewhat hardcoded... |
| 13:58.22 | chem|st | or I have no idea what you are taking 'bout |
| 13:59.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: look at http://80.248.164.233/Special:Recentchanges |
| 13:59.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | watch what all the href-tags URLs look like |
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| 14:02.40 | chem|st | the no-fwd of forums.itt is meant to be afair |
| 14:03.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: for tmo and itt it seems we got two vhosts on same IP, and the "root" is some weird stuff not related to tmo at all |
| 14:05.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I agree though that there's no such problem of not forwarding itt/subpages to tmo/subpage. seems to work like it should - I seem to recall that's been different |
| 14:07.38 | chem|st | http://80.248.164.233/Special:Recentchanges is all valid xhtml.. |
| 14:07.58 | chem|st | well not really but the links are |
| 14:09.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 14:09.12 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: what you mean to know about tmo itt problem is that google does value tmo & itt for the same search but usually shows only itt OR tmo links |
| 14:09.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's not the point |
| 14:09.26 | chem|st | the root? |
| 14:09.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 14:10.06 | chem|st | I mean the href-tags |
| 14:10.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just trying to sort my stuff, as it seems wmo isn't notifying me about changes anymore |
| 14:10.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | or the notification mails go to dev/null |
| 14:12.09 | chem|st | ~wmo |
| 14:12.17 | chem|st | tmo? |
| 14:13.35 | DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/174820/ |
| 14:14.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | watch all the URLs in this notification mail being based on IP instead of proper DNS-URL |
| 14:14.52 | chem|st | oh now I get you |
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| 14:15.00 | chem|st | lol |
| 14:15.34 | chem|st | havent got any lately, will have a look though |
| 14:15.59 | chem|st | who is maintaining the server behind wmo |
| 14:16.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's only happening if somebody is changing something on http://80.248.164.233/ instead of wiki.maemo.org |
| 14:16.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 14:16.46 | chem|st | ok |
| 14:17.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for confusion caused by me mixing up tmo and wmo issues |
| 14:17.35 | chem|st | np |
| 14:18.08 | chem|st | I have no idea what midgard does with pages either, have you tried? |
| 14:18.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | not yet |
| 14:18.52 | chem|st | the wmo stup just shows that someone forgot to enter the root in the settings |
| 14:20.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 14:21.01 | chem|st | the NPO website I maintain has some fancy url setup which brakes with typo-light, in terms of wmo I cannot enter the backend from wmo but from the serverURL |
| 14:21.47 | chem|st | and I cannot have both working for some reason |
| 14:22.16 | chem|st | it is the typo-I-have-many-websites-with-one-backend thing |
| 14:22.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't say I completely follow, but seems you tracked it down to some rootcause |
| 14:24.43 | chem|st | you may invoke thisishell.org if fwd to that ip |
| 14:25.10 | chem|st | you may not do that if the root is set to wmo |
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| 14:25.38 | chem|st | freenode is done with their service update^^ |
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| 14:27.21 | chem|st | that fwd thing happened to work for schlimmsteparteiderwelt.de -> cdu.de |
| 14:33.18 | DocScrutinizer | lemme check those bookmarks I found: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/HOWTO:_USB_Host_mode_on_the_N800_using_OS_2008 http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=746546#post746546 |
| 14:35.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=746546#post746546 does NOT forward to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=746546#post746546 |
| 14:36.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: ^^^ |
| 14:37.35 | chem|st | that forums.itt not fwd is ok, what is that wiki link? |
| 14:38.02 | chem|st | I get an emoty page from that |
| 14:38.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | which results in my browser not doing auto-login and not showing correct theme consequently |
| 14:39.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc about http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/HOWTO:_USB_Host_mode_on_the_N800_using_OS_2008 - it's been a valid page once |
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| 14:40.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | it would be pretty unfortunate to see such stuff bitrot and vanish |
| 14:40.17 | zeq | is it possible to use system fakeroot instead of the bundled version? |
| 14:40.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw kloeri :-D |
| 14:42.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: why is http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=746546#post746546 not supposed to forward to the identical http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=746546#post746546 ? |
| 14:42.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's friggin inconvenient |
| 14:52.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=271916#post271916 |
| 15:00.39 | zeq | _freemangordon: I'm attempting to set up a dev env for FREEMANTLE_ARMEL_GCC462. How do I boostrap? |
| 15:01.16 | zeq | I have the standard SDK installed on top of Gentoo. |
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| 15:05.08 | Tofe | Hello ! |
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| 15:16.03 | Tranquilllity | zeq: how did you install it on gentoo? |
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| 15:22.39 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: it is no fwd it is an alias, ask reggie to fwd instead of aliasing if you like, I do not care |
| 15:22.44 | zeq | Tranquilllity: I've used mostly portage ebuilds, a few local ones to fill in the holes |
| 15:23.13 | zeq | I've worked out I have a problem with the toolchain setup atm |
| 15:23.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: well, where's reggie? |
| 15:23.26 | zeq | that's why fakeroot isn't working |
| 15:24.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: I'd also like to ask him about stale pages like the link in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=271916#post271916 |
| 15:24.13 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: offline :) |
| 15:24.42 | zeq | it's working for FREMANTLE_ARMEL now |
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| 15:25.34 | zeq | obviously I'm doing something wrong with the new target |
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| 15:27.34 | zeq | fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps isn't working though |
| 15:28.07 | zeq | can't find the packages, something's wrong with the repo list??? |
| 15:28.31 | _freemangordon | zeq: using sb-menu setup a new target |
| 15:28.44 | _freemangordon | FREMANTLE_THUmb for example |
| 15:28.55 | _freemangordon | choose gcc4.6.2 as compiler |
| 15:29.13 | zeq | okay trying now |
| 15:29.29 | zeq | never used sb before :) |
| 15:29.51 | _freemangordon | choose perl:debian-etch:qemu:doctools:svn:git as devkit packages |
| 15:31.00 | _freemangordon | choose maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_20.2010.36-2_armel.tgz as rootstrap |
| 15:31.15 | _freemangordon | when asked to install files, choose everything but "C" |
| 15:31.21 | _freemangordon | zeq:^^^ |
| 15:32.31 | zeq | I don't have the above rootstrap? |
| 15:32.52 | _freemangordon | you should download it from nokia, NFC wehere exactly |
| 15:33.25 | zeq | googling |
| 15:33.48 | _freemangordon | zeq: there should be installer somewhere, you'd better use it |
| 15:40.39 | zeq | found it |
| 15:41.18 | Tranquilllity | can you give me the link? |
| 15:41.52 | zeq | repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/armel/ |
| 15:42.56 | Tranquilllity | thx |
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| 15:45.41 | zeq | _freemangordon: not "C-library", "C-runtime" |
| 15:45.44 | zeq | ? |
| 15:45.52 | _freemangordon | yeah |
| 15:46.03 | zeq | ok |
| 15:46.03 | _freemangordon | what are "C" options? |
| 15:46.18 | _freemangordon | I remember it was the second you have to unckech |
| 15:46.26 | _freemangordon | uncheck* |
| 15:46.54 | Macer | stares at his n900 totally collecting dust |
| 15:46.54 | zeq | oops then :) |
| 15:46.55 | Macer | heh |
| 15:47.02 | Macer | poor thing |
| 15:47.17 | Macer | i would shove my att sim in it but who the hell wants to use edge? |
| 15:47.32 | Macer | goes to ebay it for $50 heh |
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| 15:47.50 | zeq | options were: "C-library", "C-runtime" |
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| 15:48.33 | _freemangordon | zeq: well, can't remember exactly, besides it was the second from top |
| 15:49.09 | zeq | I'll do it again later, I need to go out for a while... |
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| 15:59.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq is going on with /ns help |
| 16:00.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1h ago: |
| 16:00.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | [16.06.2012 16:43:29] [Notice] -NickServ- If a registered nick is not used by the owner for 150 days, |
| 16:00.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | [16.06.2012 16:43:29] [Notice] -NickServ- NickServ will drop the nickname, allowing it to be reregistered. |
| 16:00.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | now those 2 lines are missing again |
| 16:01.26 | brik | perhaps they did an upgrade of some sort and forgot to edit the help text? |
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| 16:16.00 | zeq | freemangordon: what now? fakeroot still isn't working... |
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| 16:17.16 | zeq | freemangordon: probably, I installed the toolchain incorrectly |
| 16:18.00 | zeq | I just extracted the tar.gz into /scratchbox/compilers |
| 16:19.00 | zeq | I notice there's no target_setup.sh |
| 16:19.59 | zeq | unlike the portage installed toolchain |
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| 16:32.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, the miracle got solved: the nick pruning been a one-shot event. |
| 16:32.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | which seems resulted in >50% of registered nicks got dropped |
| 16:37.46 | freemangordon | zeq: you should choose that compiler when setting up the target |
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| 18:04.59 | M4rtinK | X-Fade: looks like new users that request Extras-Devel upload rights just receive a message from from some guy about leaving Nokia on 30th of April |
| 18:05.40 | M4rtinK | anyone knows whats happening and how this can be fixed ? or who to contact about this ? |
| 18:07.22 | M4rtinK | the message in question: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1222336&postcount=161 |
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| 18:22.20 | Elleo | M4rtinK: I got that e-mail but I also got enabled for access to extras-devel a couple of weeks ago (shortly after applying) |
| 18:23.27 | Elleo | so presumably the system sends out an automated e-mail to a number of different people with approval rights, and it's just one of them that happens to have an auto-responder set up |
| 18:23.45 | M4rtinK | yeah, that could be it |
| 18:24.09 | M4rtinK | but it should still be fixed |
| 18:24.16 | Elleo | yeah |
| 18:24.18 | M4rtinK | it confuses the hell out of new developers |
| 18:24.41 | M4rtinK | and the autobuilder is still an important part of the infrastructure |
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| 18:26.08 | M4rtinK | btw, any idea whats the status of the proposed OBS for Fremantle ? :) |
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| 18:45.02 | Tofe | Is there a keyring, in maemo ? or something similar to store passwords ? -- I doubt it, as all the passwords are in clear, but maybe I've missed a point... |
| 18:47.50 | Tofe | (anyway, what would be the key ? there isn't even a password for the root account... Maybe the Pin number would be a first step, but 4 numbers is quite weak.) |
| 18:48.18 | Sicelo | there isn't |
| 18:49.18 | Elleo | M4rtinK: I'd guess that X-Fade would be the best person to ask about that |
| 18:49.43 | Tofe | Ok, well, I'll do my best not to shout the password on the roof, then |
| 18:52.05 | Sicelo | password for what Tofe? |
| 18:52.35 | Tofe | for the little application I'm writing these days |
| 18:52.50 | Tofe | about syncing a webdav account against a local folder |
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| 19:22.36 | zeq | freemangordon: I'm back now. I'm trying to figure out how to install custom toolchains in scratchbox. |
| 19:22.59 | M4rtinK | Elleo: yeah, I've already pinged him here & the Saera developer wrote him a PM :) |
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| 20:04.34 | zeq | freemangordon: I think I have it figured it out. I need to build fakeroot from the device_tools in sb-toolchain-extras |
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| 20:20.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: sorry, postoffice been closed when I resumed from hibernate today |
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| 20:24.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | did I already mention thios b2b-connector at mobo end of FPC is a friggin b*tch? Not only because of 3 layers with solderpoints/vias, but primarily for goddamn inconvenoience to plug it in |
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| 20:25.26 | Estel_ | heh, lately, I perfected putting it back. It's really equilibristic, damn thing require telekinesis to plug |
| 20:25.55 | Estel_ | basically, it requires targetting at 3 axis, like docking space shuttle to ISS :P |
| 20:26.26 | Estel_ | hardest point of assembling N900 back, IMO |
| 20:26.41 | Estel_ | once, I even managed to torn it a little at left side. |
| 20:27.43 | Estel_ | which is nothing, compared to how I screwed my main N900 during last tests - whole part of pcb with usb port and charging chip had to be cut off, to even boot device |
| 20:28.06 | Estel_ | side effect - camera doesnt work too, despite fact, that - apparently - camera module is ok |
| 20:28.51 | Estel_ | is waiting for replacement unit, to take motherboard off and put into my shiny case + screen) |
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| 21:07.45 | Guest28766 | merlin1991, thank you for your help this afternoon, my armel scratchbox seems to be recovered. |
| 21:07.57 | merlin1991 | :) |
| 21:08.31 | Guest28766 | I am wondering, why it was decided not to upload x86 packages for cssu |
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| 21:13.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think it's about wheter they are built on buildserver, or not |
| 21:13.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | for now AIUI nothing of CSSU is built on buildserver |
| 21:14.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | but MohammadAG and merlin1991 should know better details on that |
| 21:14.53 | merlin1991 | simply because certain parts don't build on the buildserver |
| 21:15.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | again AIUI all this will change soonish, with COBS |
| 21:15.02 | merlin1991 | and mag said he's not going to build everything twice all the time |
| 21:16.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | buenas tardes merlin1991 |
| 21:16.21 | merlin1991 | and also ack about cobs |
| 21:16.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 21:16.35 | merlin1991 | we'll probably have build for everything thanks to cobs when it arrives :) |
| 21:16.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | even for 4004 |
| 21:16.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and PDP11 |
| 21:16.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 21:22.33 | M4rtinK | don't forget MMIX and Ural 2 :) |
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| 21:27.17 | M4rtinK | BTW, it is already possible to use the Harmattan target in COBS to build architecture independent packages |
| 21:28.05 | M4rtinK | I'm using it for bleeding-edge Fremantle repository for my Python programs |
| 21:29.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK: nice :-) |
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| 21:31.15 | M4rtinK | the auto-rebuild is kinda nice |
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| 21:32.51 | M4rtinK | and I have a script that pulls code from Git, creates a source package and uploads it to Harmattan and Fremantle repos (due to different icons sizes & startup scripts) :) |
| 21:34.34 | M4rtinK | its quite convenient like this :) |
| 21:35.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK: maybe you should wrizte some sort of bölogpost or wiki_miniHowTo about that stuff? |
| 21:36.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, if you find typos you can keep them ;-) |
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| 21:39.19 | zeq | Is there a guide for updating the SDK to CSSU? |
| 21:39.36 | zeq | I've resolved my fakeroot issue now |
| 21:39.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas not AFAIK |
| 21:39.54 | zeq | I'm having trouble with repos |
| 21:40.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then, since SDK should be compatible to stock fremantle, as is supposed for CSSU, I don't see much of an issue anyway |
| 21:40.33 | zeq | is there an example sources.list that works from the sdk? |
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| 21:41.08 | M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: IIRC ZogG promised to write a COBS Howto :) |
| 21:41.14 | zeq | I tried using the one from the device, but I'm missing packages after update |
| 21:41.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | for anything except CSSU genuine patches, there shouldn't be any issue with SDK |
| 21:41.32 | zeq | hmm |
| 21:41.40 | ZogG | M4rtinK, still have errors on building |
| 21:42.08 | ZogG | pasted the main make package stages, now trying to optimize it to build properly on obs |
| 21:42.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | again - discalimer AIUI and better ask you mom and dad, err merlin1991and MohammadAG (who is your father anyway ;-D ) |
| 21:42.50 | M4rtinK | ZogG: could it be caused by parallel build ? |
| 21:43.04 | zeq | :) |
| 21:43.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: CSSU is NOT changing API or ABI |
| 21:43.32 | M4rtinK | looks like OBS by default runs build in 4 threads, including packaging scripts |
| 21:44.06 | M4rtinK | I had some issues with it breaking GTK or other packages |
| 21:44.14 | zeq | I'm planning on building thumb packages |
| 21:44.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah that's a whole new story |
| 21:44.29 | ZogG | M4rtinK, nope i have dep error the funny thing that it's from other deb i included |
| 21:44.41 | M4rtinK | weird |
| 21:44.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | talk to freemangordon @ #maemo-ssu about it |
| 21:45.06 | zeq | ok |
| 21:45.19 | ZogG | M4rtinK, it's funny tht i include account but the error on what it includes and i have it in control file |
| 21:45.24 | M4rtinK | ZogG: does that deb build successfully ? |
| 21:45.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: anyway I can't see CSSU mainline ever supporting thumb |
| 21:45.41 | ZogG | while rzr build same thing succsefully with scratchbox mine fails |
| 21:45.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | since this IS breaking ABI |
| 21:46.01 | M4rtinK | well, I have a few packages |
| 21:46.12 | M4rtinK | that build in local OBS build, but not in COBS :) |
| 21:46.22 | ZogG | M4rtinK, i had few debs build but they were build wierd when no execution file was copied to device =) |
| 21:46.28 | ZogG | that one in apps4meego |
| 21:46.35 | ZogG | requested X-Fade to delete it |
| 21:46.58 | M4rtinK | and for a while one of the GTK packages that would build in one project and not i another similar one :) |
| 21:47.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: you shouldn't develop apps for thunb only, anyway |
| 21:47.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: there's no sane reason and rationale usually to not support stock maemo and CSSU as well |
| 21:47.38 | M4rtinK | ZogG: so does it build in your OBS project ? |
| 21:47.54 | ZogG | nopi build it with qtcreator |
| 21:48.14 | ZogG | now i build it with script to mke it to obs |
| 21:48.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: and if your app is written in a clean style, it shouldn't matter at all whether you compile it for thumb or for ARM |
| 21:48.49 | M4rtinK | and the resulting source package builds successfully in your OBS project ? |
| 21:48.56 | ZogG | but it's still failling in normal way e.g. i need to make qmake -project otherwise it fails to make makefile |
| 21:49.10 | ZogG | M4rtinK source package is built fine |
| 21:49.21 | M4rtinK | but it won't compile ? |
| 21:49.23 | ZogG | i get with hacks to deps fail |
| 21:49.30 | M4rtinK | in OBs at all ? |
| 21:49.40 | merlin1991 | ZogG: is there a repo? |
| 21:49.53 | merlin1991 | I can look at it aswell |
| 21:49.55 | ZogG | M4rtinK, in normal way not it took me trying options with qmake to find out it need -project |
| 21:50.00 | ZogG | now the problem with deps |
| 21:51.02 | ZogG | merlin1991, rzr managed to build it but with manual rules, thought i need one from qtcreator as i need to compile there and it's already mess |
| 21:51.15 | zeq | DocScrutinizer: thumb2 doesn't work on stock (or current CSSU) |
| 21:51.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: what I said |
| 21:51.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | but it's the compiler that creates thumb2 code from plain clean c code |
| 21:52.00 | zeq | oh yes, didn't scroll back far enough :) |
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| 21:52.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | same way it creates clean straight ARM from same c code |
| 21:53.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | and all that is completely unrelated to any supposed changes that actually do *not* come with CSSU |
| 21:53.30 | ZogG | merlin1991, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=imgrup&project=home%3AZogG |
| 21:53.34 | zeq | I know. My only thought, perhaps incorrect, was that CSSU(-thumb) might have newer non-core libs to develop against |
| 21:53.36 | merlin1991 | anyway ZogG if you want to you can give me a quick pm with details what works/not a link to the code and I'll have a look (I have qt creator and scratchbox here) |
| 21:54.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: I dunno about CSSU-thumb, though I'd guess it shouldn't have anything like that |
| 21:54.21 | ZogG | merlin1991 lemme show you almost last source of project for qtcreator and script for packaging than |
| 21:54.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU (minus thumb) for sure doesn't |
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| 21:54.56 | zeq | The plan is to port the harmatten fennec git |
| 21:55.03 | zeq | code |
| 21:55.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | so first port it to fremantle core |
| 21:55.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it worlks there, it also works on CSSU |
| 21:55.30 | zeq | I could I suppose :) |
| 21:55.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you go and rebuild it under CSSU-thumb |
| 21:56.00 | ZogG | merlin1991, https://github.com/funkycode/imgrup here is source code |
| 21:56.07 | zeq | fennec non-thumv pushes memory capacity though |
| 21:56.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it should build there flawlessly |
| 21:56.25 | ZogG | merlin1991, generate-obs-source is the script for making source and tar.gz |
| 21:56.32 | zeq | I'll do that |
| 21:56.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 21:58.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: any comments re above? |
| 21:58.52 | merlin1991 | zeq: unless fennec is built on top of qt you don't have any important improved system libs to use |
| 21:59.10 | zeq | I was planning to |
| 21:59.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | even qt libs might be improved but should not break ABI, no? |
| 21:59.56 | merlin1991 | yeah they only have a bit more stuff in them |
| 22:00.17 | merlin1991 | ZogG: and qt creator buliding still works? |
| 22:00.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | which doesn't hurt, as long as you don't use that additional stuff |
| 22:01.04 | ZogG | merlin1991, yes though i don't know if it's reltted but now i have no delete red x on desctop icon |
| 22:01.24 | ZogG | but it might be on my phone end as did't heard anyone complaiing |
| 22:01.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | so - as long as you don't *NEED* to use these new bits - you're better off building against stock fremantle, then port to CSSU and maybe even CSSU-thumb |
| 22:02.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | (where "port to CSSU" is basically a null-op) |
| 22:02.21 | zeq | I'm not sure if I won't. depends what the harmattan code does |
| 22:02.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 22:02.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | try hard to avoid though, please |
| 22:02.47 | zeq | I thought it best to minimize differences |
| 22:03.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: you don't want to segregate 90% of N900 users |
| 22:03.35 | zeq | 90% not on CSSU? |
| 22:03.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least |
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| 22:04.04 | zeq | they need some outreach :) |
| 22:05.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: so now you got the whole picture, and the perspective. Act accordingly |
| 22:05.48 | zeq | will do |
| 22:05.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 22:07.06 | zeq | It's a slight culture-shock for me, comming from gentoo ;) |
| 22:09.41 | MohammadAG | Yeah, no server side builds |
| 22:09.50 | MohammadAG | It's costly, for the servers |
| 22:10.10 | MohammadAG | We don't want to hold a server to build Qt |
| 22:11.32 | M4rtinK | I've seen a KDE build on COBS :) |
| 22:11.37 | M4rtinK | it takes a while |
| 22:11.46 | M4rtinK | ...on a dozen of workers :) |
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| 22:14.03 | ZogG_laptop | zeq: gentoo <3 |
| 22:21.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | waves at MohammadAG |
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| 23:34.35 | Flazgar | hi |
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| 23:34.56 | Flazgar | I've a keyboard problem using easy debian on my nokia n900. |
| 23:35.00 | Flazgar | Can somebody help me ? |
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| 23:50.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 23:50.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ask |
| 23:50.22 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
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| 23:51.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | lemme guess - the return key doesn't work like expected? |
| 23:52.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, drive-by asker |
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| 23:53.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponders to write a bot plugin to handle those join-ask-leave events, at least next time same nick/host shows up |
| 23:55.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, chanlog doesn't show any leave event for flazgar |
| 23:56.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes me wonder how reasonable it is to log join/leave but not to log nick events |
| 23:58.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | whowas FTW |