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| 09:14.03 | lupen70 | hallo |
| 09:14.55 | chem|st | ollah |
| 09:15.19 | lupen70 | Welcome to #maemo |
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| 09:18.39 | chem|st | o.O |
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| 15:48.43 | esaym153 | anyone know how to fix this error: http://pastie.org/4093020 |
| 15:49.20 | esaym153 | It is a compiler error (if you are too lazy to click) |
| 15:55.20 | freemangordon | esaym153: seems your SB is broken, most probably qemu is missing |
| 15:55.53 | esaym153 | freemangordon: just did a full reinstall of sb + the full maemo sdk |
| 15:56.07 | esaym153 | might be a kernel issue, I am looking into it now |
| 15:56.15 | freemangordon | could be |
| 15:57.36 | esaym153 | freemangordon: It was this issue: http://inz.fi/blog/2008/01/17/scratchbox-on-hardy/ |
| 15:57.50 | esaym153 | but now I have another problem, but it is lunch :) bll |
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| 19:10.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: ping |
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| 19:24.55 | khertan | Does qt components is working on fremantle ? i was unable to made a simple qml harmattan apps working on fremantle |
| 19:25.16 | khertan | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1222455&postcount=4 |
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| 19:26.21 | freemangordon | khertan: AFAIK namespaces are different in fremantle, could be wrong as I am not much into QML |
| 19:27.00 | freemangordon | Also so you target CSSU? As it has Qt 4.7.4 vs 4.7.0 in PR 1.3 |
| 19:27.06 | freemangordon | *do |
| 19:27.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | differing namespaces are really nice, regarding Qt and derivatives are meant to b ecross-paltform |
| 19:28.35 | freemangordon | hmm, it seems it cannot find "mmegotouch" theme |
| 19:29.00 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, although we can fix that in CSSU |
| 19:29.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | is missing own comment as of 10h ago |
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| 19:29.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually a whole freakin lot of posts |
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| 19:31.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | incredible |
| 19:31.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~o |
| 19:31.36 | infobot | o is probably OH!, or ~o means 'over' in context of write(1) |
| 19:31.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | anybody seen me teaching infobot about o today? |
| 19:33.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already thought I'm delusional, unless I'd see infobot having learnt about oo and ~o |
| 19:33.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo o |
| 19:33.32 | infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 19:33.32 | infobot | o -- created by troy <troy@stnbas02-p81.mts.net> at Sun Dec 31 18:31:20 2000 (4184 days); last modified 8h 27m 44s ago by DocScrutinizer51!~lagrange@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 19 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 1m 56s ago. |
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| 19:39.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~football |
| 19:39.22 | infobot | i guess football is played with a ball shaped like an ellipsoid, or rarely touched by the foot which makes the name confusing |
| 19:39.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~socker |
| 19:39.39 | infobot | Turns any stdin/stdout based program into a TCP server process. URL: http://www-ug.eecg.toronto.edu/~doylep/socker/ |
| 19:39.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
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| 19:44.40 | MohammadAG | is this correct? return (settings.contains(TWITTER_SESSION_TOKEN) && settings.contains(TWITTER_SESSION_SECRET)); |
| 19:44.44 | MohammadAG | grammatically |
| 19:46.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | depends |
| 19:46.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | return should return what the function is defined to return |
| 19:47.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | if settings.contains is supposed to return same type as your function, then it should be correct |
| 19:48.26 | Sicelo | ~soccer |
| 19:48.26 | infobot | soccer is probably - see football. short for Association Football (assoc -> soccer), or the Greatest Game in the World! |
| 19:48.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | char foo() {... return int32} won't usually fly |
| 19:49.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: I stand corrected |
| 19:49.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | though ~football obviously != ~soccer |
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| 19:51.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | since4 soccer is plaqyer with a ball almost the shape of a perfect sphere, and played exclusively by kicking it with the feet |
| 19:51.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | played* |
| 19:53.37 | freemangordon | MohammadAG, DocScrutinizer05: the above return statement results in bool |
| 19:54.01 | freemangordon | and then it depends what is the function return type |
| 19:54.08 | MohammadAG | freemangordon, which is true if both are true and false if both are false right? |
| 19:54.24 | freemangordon | no, it is false if only one is false |
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| 19:54.32 | freemangordon | that is AND |
| 19:54.33 | MohammadAG | sorry, that |
| 19:54.39 | MohammadAG | yeah, my mistake |
| 19:54.42 | MohammadAG | that's what I wanted anyway |
| 19:55.24 | freemangordon | MohammadAG: did you check your SB DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS? |
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| 19:55.48 | MohammadAG | freemangordon, not yet, I'll check it now |
| 19:55.56 | MohammadAG | [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~/Harmattan/quick-status-updater/quick-status-updater/social-status-updater-config] > cat $(find *cpp *h) | wc -l |
| 19:55.56 | MohammadAG | 1846 |
| 19:55.57 | MohammadAG | [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~/Harmattan/quick-status-updater/quick-status-updater/social-status-updater-config] > cd .. |
| 19:55.57 | MohammadAG | [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~/Harmattan/quick-status-updater/quick-status-updater] > cd system-ui-social-status-updater/ |
| 19:55.58 | MohammadAG | [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~/Harmattan/quick-status-updater/quick-status-updater/system-ui-social-status-updater] > cat $(find *cpp *h) | wc -l |
| 19:56.01 | MohammadAG | 863 |
| 19:56.03 | MohammadAG | I swear it shouldn't be that hard :/ |
| 19:56.46 | MohammadAG | err |
| 19:56.49 | MohammadAG | freemangordon, |
| 19:56.53 | MohammadAG | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > echo $DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS |
| 19:56.54 | MohammadAG | maemo-launcher,thumb,vfp |
| 19:56.56 | MohammadAG | what sets those? |
| 19:57.01 | freemangordon | see |
| 19:57.28 | freemangordon | it is set from exactly the same place as before :p. gimme a minute |
| 19:57.38 | MohammadAG | not .bashrc nor .profile :P |
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| 19:58.35 | freemangordon | MohammadAG: "/scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL.environment" |
| 19:59.40 | MohammadAG | freemangordon, fixed, but what sets it in the first place? |
| 19:59.49 | freemangordon | SB installation |
| 20:00.03 | freemangordon | maybe, I have NFC |
| 20:00.40 | freemangordon | MohammadAG: it is good that your SB is fixed, but what is distributed with the latest -testing is thumb-compiled |
| 20:00.56 | MohammadAG | all of it? |
| 20:01.08 | freemangordon | at least a part of it |
| 20:01.26 | freemangordon | osso-gnomevfs for sure, didn;t check the others |
| 20:02.42 | freemangordon | I cought that because when updating to my thumb version, instead of apt-get saying "some 40kB will be freed" it said "anly 8kB will be freed" |
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| 20:03.48 | freemangordon | MohammadAG: anyway, I think a fix should be provided ASAP, along with missing alarmd. I don't want more modest affairs |
| 20:04.03 | MohammadAG | freemangordon, will get right on it |
| 20:04.10 | MohammadAG | freemangordon, I added alarmd, pretty sure of it |
| 20:04.19 | MohammadAG | libalarm2 and alarmd |
| 20:04.44 | freemangordon | MohammadAG: hmm, let me check |
| 20:04.52 | freemangordon | on gitorious |
| 20:05.12 | zeq | is that why I couldn't stop my alarm this morning? |
| 20:05.53 | zeq | is using freemangordon's thumb CSSU |
| 20:05.58 | MohammadAG | no :P |
| 20:06.05 | freemangordon | zeq: exactly, we made an unstopable alarm. It will wake you up even if you're dead while sleeping |
| 20:06.20 | freemangordon | zeq: alarmd is not in thumb repo |
| 20:06.46 | MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:/Scratchyhome/Harmattan/quick-status-updater/quick-status-updater$ git push -u origin master |
| 20:06.47 | MohammadAG | Username for 'https://github.com': MohammadAG |
| 20:06.47 | MohammadAG | Password for 'https://MohammadAG@github.com': |
| 20:06.51 | MohammadAG | since when does that happen? |
| 20:07.33 | freemangordon | MohammadAG: do you push updates to CSSU on IRC channels too? That might explain missing alarmd |
| 20:07.43 | freemangordon | :P |
| 20:08.18 | MohammadAG | I could've forgot this once :P |
| 20:08.37 | freemangordon | zeq: while we are on it: any troubles with thumb-compiled stuff, something unusual |
| 20:09.07 | freemangordon | (axcluding the pile of free RAM :P ) |
| 20:09.38 | khertan | freemangordon: diffenrent namespace, yep, but the pb is the component himself, not my apps |
| 20:09.42 | zeq | had a strange gfx freeze (compositor?) can't see how it's related...? |
| 20:10.08 | freemangordon | zeq: some SGX messages in dmesg? |
| 20:10.27 | zeq | should have remote logged in and checked |
| 20:10.36 | zeq | if it does it again I will |
| 20:10.45 | freemangordon | as there is an old bug in kernel SGX driver not initializing correctly on reboot |
| 20:10.54 | freemangordon | a power cycle fixes it |
| 20:10.58 | zeq | system was still running |
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| 20:11.53 | freemangordon | zeq: I missed your point, does it freeze completely, or you had just a temporary freeze |
| 20:11.57 | zeq | otherwise it seems okay |
| 20:12.11 | zeq | gfx froze completely |
| 20:12.17 | freemangordon | how did you solve it |
| 20:12.22 | freemangordon | power down? |
| 20:12.29 | zeq | power cycled |
| 20:12.30 | MohammadAG | o hai malf |
| 20:12.48 | zeq | screen touches still worked |
| 20:12.52 | MohammadAG | freemangordon, it was never fixed was it? |
| 20:13.01 | freemangordon | zeq: yeah, that is how SGX bug is cured, no problems after power cycle |
| 20:13.03 | zeq | but the image was stuck on the apps menu |
| 20:13.06 | freemangordon | MohammadAG: never |
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| 20:14.25 | freemangordon | MohammadAG: you may want to look at qt-mobility thumb-testing branch, build rules were a total mess in master |
| 20:14.42 | zeq | would be nice to have thumb built fennec from Harmattan... might set up the SDK |
| 20:15.37 | freemangordon | zeq: you may want to download SB ready compiler from merlin1991's server |
| 20:16.00 | zeq | link? |
| 20:16.02 | freemangordon | just need to setup a new SB target using that compiler |
| 20:16.06 | freemangordon | hold on |
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| 20:17.08 | freemangordon | zeq:http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/develdebs/ |
| 20:17.40 | freemangordon | extract that in /scratchbox/compilers and setup a new target |
| 20:18.03 | zeq | ok |
| 20:18.17 | freemangordon | and I will appreciate if you write the steps on wili after you are finished :P |
| 20:18.26 | freemangordon | *wiki |
| 20:19.24 | zeq | I'll get onto it once the football's finished... :S |
| 20:19.42 | freemangordon | zeq: BTW you MUST enable -thumb repo in SB too and upgrade, thumb-compiled Qt has a different mkspecs |
| 20:19.50 | freemangordon | zeq: aah, no hurry |
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| 20:28.22 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer; pong |
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| 20:55.54 | jpinx | I've plugged my n900 into the usb on my linux laptop and it automatically mounts the filesystem, but apparently not at root. How do I get it to mount the n900 / so I can see the phonebooks etc ? |
| 20:56.14 | saltsa | you can't |
| 20:56.35 | saltsa | in linux it's not possible to mount the same fs in two different computers |
| 20:56.50 | saltsa | maybe you want something like rsync or setup sshfs |
| 20:56.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | use sftp! |
| 20:57.17 | jpinx | ok - sshfs to where? |
| 20:57.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | pair the device to your home WLAN |
| 20:57.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | install SSHD |
| 20:57.30 | jpinx | I have umounted the n900 now and it is plugged in,,, |
| 20:57.32 | ShadowJK | the phonebook is in some sqlite database somewhere... I forget where |
| 20:58.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | enter "sftp://192.168.0.45/" to your favourite filebrowser |
| 20:58.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | (replace IP in above URL by the one your N900 obtained from AP DHCP) |
| 20:59.27 | zeq | Is there a gentoo ebuild for the maemo5 sdk? |
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| 20:59.54 | jpinx | I do fdisk -l but there appears to be no filesystem for the n900 |
| 21:00.00 | ShadowJK | what |
| 21:00.14 | ShadowJK | jpinx, where did you execute fdisk -l? |
| 21:00.31 | jpinx | ShadowJK: in the laptop |
| 21:00.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually sftp://root@192.168.1.41 |
| 21:00.51 | jpinx | ShadowJK: I am looking for the n900 as plugged in |
| 21:01.10 | ShadowJK | jpinx, in mass storage mode, N900 exports two devices, the MyDocs partition, and the microsd first partition (I think), so you don't see a partition table |
| 21:01.12 | _rd | Is proxytunnel/tsocks on the n900 available, in case I am in a restricted hotel/public/foreign wireless network? |
| 21:02.22 | jpinx | ShadowJK: bugger :( |
| 21:03.18 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: sftp not recognised by my browser :( |
| 21:03.25 | ShadowJK | The data that's exported over mass storage becomes inaccessible on the N900 itself, so it can't do it for critical data |
| 21:03.53 | ShadowJK | _rd, I see tsocks |
| 21:04.02 | jpinx | ShadowJK: I only want read access... |
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| 21:05.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | jpinx: sftp root@192.168.1.41 - in xterm |
| 21:05.35 | ShadowJK | needs openssh on n900 |
| 21:05.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure thing |
| 21:05.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | [15.06.2012 22:57:28] <DocScrutinizer05> install SSHD |
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| 21:06.12 | ShadowJK | filezilla should do sftp if you want point and click |
| 21:06.34 | jpinx | 192.168.1.41 port 22: No route to host :( |
| 21:07.02 | ShadowJK | is it connected to wifi? |
| 21:07.23 | jpinx | ShadowJK: the mobile is not online |
| 21:07.31 | jpinx | connected to laptop by usb |
| 21:07.41 | ShadowJK | Well it's easier if you put them both on wifi |
| 21:07.53 | ShadowJK | than setting up usb networking |
| 21:08.26 | jpinx | I had usb networking years ago on this n900 - but I've totally ofgotten how it was set up |
| 21:08.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | [15.06.2012 22:57:17] <DocScrutinizer05> pair the device to your home WLAN |
| 21:08.36 | jpinx | *forgotten |
| 21:08.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | [15.06.2012 22:58:50] <DocScrutinizer05> (replace IP in above URL by the one your N900 obtained from AP DHCP) |
| 21:08.59 | jpinx | no wifi here - it's connected by usb |
| 21:09.43 | ShadowJK | Or then if you don't have usb networking, first on N900 (with N900 disconnected from usb) make a copy of hte files you want into /home/user/MyDocs, and then connect N900 to usb |
| 21:09.47 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: 22:55 < jpinx> I've plugged my n900 into the usb on my linux laptop and it automatically mounts the filesystem, but apparently not at root. How do I get it to mount the n900 / so I can see the phonebooks etc ? |
| 21:09.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, then you should have a IP associated with USB on PC, and a route to the IP of N900 (usually +1) |
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| 21:10.36 | ShadowJK | Well basically you can't make it mount root over USB. root isn't even a block device, so it can't even be exported over usb |
| 21:11.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think this is like the third time we explained that now |
| 21:13.20 | jpinx | ifconfig is not showing me a usb connection, but there is something called pan0 -- is that it? |
| 21:14.00 | ShadowJK | no that's bluetooth |
| 21:14.08 | jpinx | :( |
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| 21:16.25 | jpinx | ShadowJK: reference your idea to copy and transfer - that was what I did first out, but where s the phone book in the filesystem? |
| 21:16.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | jpinx: for USB networking you need to select PC-suite mode |
| 21:16.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | on N900 |
| 21:16.57 | jpinx | .... in the filesystem as shown by the filemanager |
| 21:17.20 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: ok - let me try that |
| 21:18.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | lsmod|grep cdc |
| 21:18.20 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: cool . now I got usb0 and usbpn0 |
| 21:18.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | -> cdc_ether |
| 21:18.49 | jpinx | but no IP associated |
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| 21:20.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/neo-ssh |
| 21:20.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | just adapt the IP addr and NIc name |
| 21:21.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | make sure you don't use same subnet as your standard network on PC |
| 21:21.58 | jpinx | where do I get the IP's ? |
| 21:22.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E when your PC has IP 192.168.0.55, you should use 192.168.1.xx for N900 and USB |
| 21:22.20 | jpinx | ifconfig lists the usb0 and usbpn0 but withour IPS |
| 21:22.22 | ShadowJK | /home/user/.osso-abook but don't ask me how to read the files in that directory, I have no clue :P |
| 21:23.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | jpinx: /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.14 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 21:23.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | jpinx: /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.15/32 dev usb0 |
| 21:24.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | but, as mentioned before, don't use these addr when your PC has same range IP addr |
| 21:24.21 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: how do I know that is the right IP? |
| 21:24.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | It basicaly doesn't matter which IP you use, afaik |
| 21:24.53 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: ifconfig usb0 shows me no IP |
| 21:25.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should however check on N900 xterm what ifconfig says there |
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| 21:26.07 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: on the n900 ifconfig usb0 gives me inet addr: 192.168.2.15 |
| 21:26.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah so it's .2. |
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| 21:26.35 | jpinx | mask 255.255.255.0 |
| 21:26.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | jpinx: /sbin/route add -host 192.168.2.15/32 dev usb0 |
| 21:26.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | on PC |
| 21:27.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | after /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 21:27.59 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: on laptop route add -host 192.168.2.15/32 dev usb0 gives me network is down |
| 21:28.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | but again, check that your standard gateway on PC (eth0?) does NOT use 192.168.2.x |
| 21:28.57 | jpinx | eth0 not showing a IP - not connected |
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| 21:29.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw you *need* to quit networkmanager on PC |
| 21:29.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | it will interfere with manual NIC config |
| 21:29.56 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: I use wicd |
| 21:30.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | (or at least I found no way to make it play nice with USB networking) |
| 21:30.31 | ShadowJK | it mostly just touches it on start for me, and then when I manually cahnge stuff via commandline it doesn't notice and does nothing |
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| 21:31.40 | jpinx | wicd doesnt seem to be doing anything with non-wifi connections unless there is no signal |
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| 21:36.23 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: got ssh to root in n900 - what's the root password? ;) |
| 21:36.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever you typed when sshd installation asked you |
| 21:36.48 | Atarii | there isn't one |
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| 21:37.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | there is when you installed sshd via HAM |
| 21:37.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you installed via apt-get, you're out of luck |
| 21:37.41 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: ok- maybe I did that 3 years ago - how do I hack the password ;) |
| 21:37.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then, you should have root access via "root" cmd anyway, otherwise you couldn't use apt-get |
| 21:38.02 | Atarii | can't you ssh in as normal user |
| 21:38.05 | Atarii | then sudo gainroot |
| 21:38.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | HACK the password???? |
| 21:38.12 | Atarii | then change /etc/passwd? |
| 21:38.19 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: I have "root" installed on the n900 |
| 21:38.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq |
| 21:38.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | root |
| 21:38.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | passwd |
| 21:38.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | mypassword |
| 21:38.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | mypassword |
| 21:38.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | *profit* |
| 21:38.45 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: of course - silly me :) |
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| 21:40.44 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: I'm in - thanks for the kick up my arse ;) |
| 21:40.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 21:40.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 21:42.32 | jpinx | will be back in a few weeks to sort out the internet connection of the netbook using the n900's mobile network |
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| 21:48.56 | jpinx | ShadowJK: found the addressbook - and lots of other goodies - thanks :) |
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| 21:50.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | KNOW WHAT? konqueror has "ads filter" built in ;-P |
| 21:51.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | 40s dannoyelay solved |
| 21:51.52 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 21:52.18 | ShadowJK | The most annoying part about ads is how they prevent rest of page rendering before ads load, and the ad server are always fucking slow |
| 21:53.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, in fact the 40 s delay here vanished when DEactivating the fubar filter |
| 21:58.28 | v1_RAG3 | konqueror is well underated. |
| 21:58.44 | v1_RAG3 | at least from the kde 3.5 days |
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| 22:08.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 22:10.12 | Ken-Young | There are certain programs that Maemo launches on my N900 at boot time which I don't use, such as modest. To save resources, I have renamed the executable files for those programs, which certainly keeps the OS from starting them. But I worry that this technique is inelegant and might lead to the OS repeatedly trying to launch the app. Is there a better way to disable prelaunched Maemo 5 components that I care nothing about? |
| 22:10.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | nowadays everything has to be pastel shade and gray in gray (KDE fsckng theme), and as stupid as the manufs/devels are and think the users are too: see dolphin instead of konqueror now in KDE4 |
| 22:10.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 22:11.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | find where they get started, comment out that |
| 22:11.45 | Sc0rpius | well you didn't need to rename the programs |
| 22:11.51 | Ken-Young | Yeah, I looked, but was not clever enough to figure out what launched them. |
| 22:11.52 | Sc0rpius | you could have deleted/moved/removed the .desktop files |
| 22:12.08 | Ken-Young | Sc0rpius, Is that any better? |
| 22:13.01 | Ken-Young | I agree the GOod Doctor's suggestion is the right thing to do. I just haven't figured out how to do it. |
| 22:13.01 | Sc0rpius | just remove/rename the .desktop file of the app that bothers you in /usr/share/applications/hildon |
| 22:13.03 | Sc0rpius | and reboot the phone. |
| 22:13.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | not remove desktop files, just comment out the line about x-maemo-preload |
| 22:13.27 | Ken-Young | Sc0rpius, Why is that preferable to renaming the executable? |
| 22:13.37 | Sc0rpius | because you could still use the executable after that |
| 22:13.41 | Sc0rpius | for a one time only |
| 22:13.54 | Sc0rpius | also |
| 22:14.06 | Sc0rpius | hildon is still trying to start those executables |
| 22:14.10 | Sc0rpius | something like every 10 seconds |
| 22:14.17 | Ken-Young | Sc0rpius, I thought the desktop file was needed to be able to launch the app without using the command line. |
| 22:14.19 | Sc0rpius | so your phone is retrying every 10 seconds and fails every 10 seconds trying to run modest |
| 22:14.29 | Sc0rpius | aren't you concerned about that |
| 22:14.40 | Ken-Young | Sc0rpius, OK, that's what I was worried might be happening. |
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| 22:15.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | Ken-Young: there are .desktop that come without any icon, and are there just for preloading stuff |
| 22:15.12 | Sc0rpius | the .desktop files are complex files. For an automatic start/restart/keep always running you'll see lines like: |
| 22:15.21 | Sc0rpius | X-Maemo-Prestarted=always |
| 22:15.21 | Sc0rpius | X-Maemo-Prestarted-Priority=2000 |
| 22:15.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | comment those out |
| 22:15.42 | Sc0rpius | yeah you can comment those |
| 22:15.46 | Ken-Young | Great. Thanks Doc & Sc0rpius ! |
| 22:15.50 | Sc0rpius | without renaming the .desktop. Don't forget to reboot |
| 22:16.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | or change always -> never |
| 22:16.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | YW |
| 22:16.48 | v1_RAG3 | step 1. Don't rename the executables. Never go full retard. |
| 22:17.04 | Ken-Young | Full retard is my default. |
| 22:17.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw it won't help much anyway ;-P |
| 22:17.20 | v1_RAG3 | step 2. Comment out the prestart lines form the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ |
| 22:17.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you change .desktop to .fubar |
| 22:17.53 | Ken-Young | I also accept multiple --retard arguments on my command line, for extra stupid behaviour. |
| 22:17.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | the *name* of a .desktop is basically random |
| 22:18.14 | v1_RAG3 | step 3. Start investigating the files in /etc/X11/Xsession.post, Xsession.d and /etc/event.d to stop startup programs. |
| 22:18.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | not much in there |
| 22:19.02 | v1_RAG3 | DocScrutinizer05: there is some and we do not know exactly what the young man is trying to prohibit starting. |
| 22:19.44 | v1_RAG3 | To make modest F-OFF switch off mail checking when connected thing. |
| 22:21.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, not even starting modest seems a reasonable approach |
| 22:21.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | grep -R X-Maemo-Prestar /usr/share/applications/ ;-D |
| 22:21.57 | v1_RAG3 | DocScrutinizer05: Get in! |
| 22:22.16 | Ken-Young | I was completely unaware that the desktop files contained that information. |
| 22:22.32 | v1_RAG3 | Ken-Young: few people are. |
| 22:22.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/share/applications/hildon/modest.desktop:X-Maemo-Prestarted=always |
| 22:22.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/share/applications/hildon/modest.desktop:X-Maemo-Prestarted-Priority=2000 |
| 22:23.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | X-P |
| 22:23.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/share/applications/hildon/xchat.desktop:X-Maemo-Prestarted=usage |
| 22:23.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/share/applications/hildon/xchat.desktop:X-Maemo-Prestarted-Priority=500 |
| 22:23.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | worked quite nice with X-Maemo-Prestarted=always; alas it got relaunched whenever I decided to quit xchat |
| 22:24.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | since Hildon Desktop not only starts these, but also monitors them and restarts whenever any of them quites |
| 22:25.20 | MohammadAG | Why reboot? |
| 22:25.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | frowns at /usr/share/applications/hildon/nokia-maps.desktop:X-Maemo-Prestarted=none /usr/share/applications/hildon/worldclock.desktop:X-Maemo-Prestarted=never |
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| 22:27.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: becuase it's fun ;-) |
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| 22:42.48 | Sc0rpius | restarting hildon-desktop always leaves a mess |
| 22:42.51 | Sc0rpius | I prefer reboot. |
| 22:43.10 | Sc0rpius | I think it's hildon-home what you have to restart in this case, not sure |
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| 22:45.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's questionable if this will tear down preloaded processes |
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| 22:56.40 | Guest28766 | Has anybody an idea why I get: |
| 22:56.47 | Guest28766 | dpkg: regarding .../gcc-4.6-base_4.6.1-maemo6_armel.deb containing gcc-4.6-base: |
| 22:56.49 | Guest28766 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.57 | Guest28766 | (I am trying to upgrade a scratchbox to CSSU) |
| 22:59.19 | Sc0rpius | are you installing armel packages in scratchbox????? |
| 23:07.12 | Woody14619 | Yay.. Friday. See you all Monday! Have a great weekend! |
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| 23:17.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, if somebody interested: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/usb-networking |
| 23:19.24 | Ken-Young | Gotta bookmark that! |
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| 23:23.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: sorry I abused your device for that ;-D |
| 23:23.21 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 23:23.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: but now USB also tested ;-) |
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| 23:29.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw anybody enlighten me please WTF: wap11.kicker.de * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 usb0 |
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| 23:32.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal usb-networking |
| 23:32.20 | infobot | "usb-networking" is "http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking, or http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking" |
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| 23:32.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~usb-networking is also http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/usb-networking |
| 23:32.59 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 23:34.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: rootme ;-D |
| 23:35.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: though I guess reflashing will be first thing you do anyway |
| 23:42.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: could you use a BL-4U? |
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| 23:48.39 | ShadowJK | doubt it |
| 23:48.40 | ShadowJK | let me check |
| 23:49.49 | ShadowJK | oh, seems my E75 uses that maybe |
| 23:49.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | fine |
| 23:50.04 | ShadowJK | though my E75 is constantly connected to USB these days, as a modem |
| 23:50.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | stops unpacking |
| 23:51.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | am I mistaken or is 192.168.x.x all private range? |
| 23:52.02 | Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer, I'm pretty sure that's right. |
| 23:52.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.robtex.com/dns/wap1.kicker.de.html :-o |