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| 06:25.10 | vi__ | freemangordon: backing swap. |
| 06:25.36 | freemangordon | vi__: hmm, not a bad idea |
| 06:26.22 | freemangordon | BTW did you try thumb thingie? |
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| 06:39.41 | vi__ | freemangordon: Oh, good morning! |
| 06:39.50 | vi__ | freemangordon: I assumed you woyul dbe asleep! |
| 06:39.54 | vi__ | ^would |
| 06:40.06 | vi__ | No, I have not tried T2 yet. |
| 06:40.18 | vi__ | I am too chicken shit scared! |
| 06:40.35 | vi__ | I only have 1 N900 and it is my production, day to day device. |
| 06:41.00 | vi__ | I am happy to let the lemmings run in first and have to reflash when they find the obvious problems. |
| 06:41.26 | vi__ | However I see Geneven has taken the plunge, so I may try later. |
| 06:42.01 | vi__ | Out of interest what packages have been recompiled with the thumb2? |
| 06:42.07 | vi__ | Hildon desktop? |
| 06:42.09 | vi__ | Modest? |
| 06:42.18 | vi__ | browserd (I wish) |
| 06:43.55 | vi__ | did you get anywhere with the adblock? |
| 06:48.33 | freemangordon | vi__: nah, browserd don't live happily when thumb2-compiled, segfaults in an instant. didn't tried hard though. in adition to modest and h-d, it is gtk, qt, and several other packages |
| 06:48.53 | freemangordon | vi__: gtg now, ttl |
| 06:48.56 | vi__ | bb |
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| 06:49.25 | vi__ | ~ttl |
| 06:49.25 | infobot | i guess ttl is time to live |
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| 06:51.07 | freemangordon | talk to you later |
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| 06:52.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | how the F is browserd segfaulting when compiled for thumb? Isn't that a clear indication there are problems with the thumb instruction set? |
| 06:54.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | with silicon-errata patches in compiler and kernel, *all* arbitrary coude *must* run flawlessly when comoiled for either ARM or thumb(2) |
| 06:54.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui |
| 06:55.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | (unless it has inline assembler written in a really nasty way so it would explode in a thumb environment) |
| 06:55.38 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: you're getting it wrong, when the errata hits, we have a SIGILL, no SIGSEGV |
| 06:55.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | nonsense |
| 06:56.07 | freemangordon | yes, it has some inline assembly, I had to enable -mthumb-interwork to make it even compile |
| 06:56.21 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: nonsense is? |
| 06:56.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | when si-E hits, we have a faulty branch prediction redirecting the PC to random |
| 06:56.45 | freemangordon | nah, it is not at random |
| 06:57.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | it actually is to previous branch destination AIUI |
| 06:57.15 | freemangordon | the memory is absolutely accesible, it is that it tries to execute ARM instruction as thumb and vice versa |
| 06:57.31 | freemangordon | that is why it is SIGILL |
| 06:57.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | which doesn't for sure fit the new swapped in alternative opcode set code |
| 06:58.07 | freemangordon | you'd better read again the errata description |
| 06:58.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh |
| 06:58.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | impair branch destination means thumb |
| 06:58.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | all I have to say to comment this |
| 06:58.56 | freemangordon | is afk |
| 06:59.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | the headline says it all: ""CONFIG_ARM_ERRATA_430973: ARM errata: Stale prediction on replaced interworking branch"" |
| 07:02.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | the branch pediction is stale for the branch intruction that got replaced. depending on where this previous prediction pointed to (pair or impair addr), the desination code is considered ARM or thumb |
| 07:03.16 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: now I remember it was abort, not a segmentation fault, it is deffinitely something to do with the compiler |
| 07:04.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | this may or may not be correct, anyway the stale branch prediction is for the branch origin AIUI, not for the branch destination. So it's completely at random if your stale BrPr points to a pair random adrr and at that addr is some random valid ARM code, or it finds some "illegal" thumb code there or vice versa |
| 07:04.50 | freemangordon | which at the very end leads to SIGILL, so stop spreading FUD, ok? |
| 07:05.15 | freemangordon | is really afk |
| 07:05.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | stop calling reasonable sound ecxplanation FUD >:-( |
| 07:05.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | No Sir |
| 07:05.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | It depends, as I elaborated one line above |
| 07:07.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you branch origin gets replaced, the branch prediction for that instruction isn't flushed, so it may point to valid ARM code or valid thumb code, or to randomly replaced (meanwhile) invalid ARM or invalid thimb code, anyway it points not to where the new instruction in that place would like to branch to |
| 07:08.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | the result of this can literally be any error |
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| 07:12.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | (as auxiliary explanation for the occasional reader I might add: switch to thumb instruction world is done by jumbing/branching to an addr with LSB=1, an impair addr, while switching back to ARM instruction set is a jump/branch to an even addr [LSB=0]) |
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| 07:14.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | now if such a stale branch prediction still ponts to correct code as the code at branch desination didn't change, there's no reason forSIGILL. It's just a bogus branch to a more or less random part of code in memory. The results are literally unpredictible |
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| 07:17.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and of course I don't calim I got the final truth on this, it's just how I understand the silicon erratum about stale branch prediction. anybody free to correct me |
| 07:24.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw a lot of binary opcode values are valid for both ARM and thumb (otherwise we wouldn't need any switching of mode at all) - just the binary value at that memory location *means* different thing to CPU depending on whether CPU is in ARM or thumb mode. So the idea that executing thumb code in ARM mode would automatically and always cause SIGILL is moot from this fact alone |
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| 07:28.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | much more likely is the case that CPU finds some thumb code and executes it as ARM code just happily, resulting in really unpredictable bogus behaviour of the code. Usually this will eventually result in a SIGSEGV, as all bogus code does |
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| 07:31.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | so please don't call my arguments FUD, as that's honestly a rather childish and impolite behaviour, and doesn't add to your own credibility |
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| 07:47.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | compiling browserd with madatory -mthumb-interwork means there's actually code for both ARM and thumb inside browserd, and when this results in segfaults I'd say the SiErratum-patch _does_ _not_ work |
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| 08:24.19 | EdLin_ | hi |
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| 08:46.52 | chem|st | o/ |
| 08:50.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: o/ |
| 08:50.35 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: OK, I won't use "FUD" as it seems to offend you, but all of your argumentation above, without even knowing what exactly compiler switches I used, with having NFC if asm code inside microb is ever tested for thumb compatibility, without knowing that microb won't compile if there is no "-mimplicit-it=thumb", etc,etc, is just a plain shot in the dark |
| 08:51.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
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| 08:52.05 | freemangordon | And I am really getting tired arguing with your arguments, which are based on a pure logic. But that logic relies on pure assumtions made on your side, not some hard facts |
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| 08:53.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | hard fact: 0xfe55 might be a valid opcode in ARM and thumb, in one case it will eventually cause SIGSEGV, while in other case it is part of a correct program sequence |
| 08:53.55 | freemangordon | and continung "aah, it could segfault" when I explained that it was my fault and the real crash is caused by abort does not make sense to me |
| 08:54.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | you explained wat? |
| 08:54.39 | freemangordon | [09:59] <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: now I remember it was abort, not a segmentation fault, it is deffinitely something to do with the compiler |
| 08:54.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | expects now the old BS argument "you don't read what I write" |
| 08:55.03 | freemangordon | but that is the truth :P |
| 08:55.17 | chem|st | ladies, calm down |
| 08:55.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, just that this sentence is now with exactly same lack of context as it was initially and it doesn't make any sense to me |
| 08:55.47 | chem|st | both of you are in some way right and you seem to like to read each other but not understand each other |
| 08:56.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | your claim being "when it would be thumb related, it would be a SIGILL always" |
| 08:57.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I explained to you why problems with thumb will not always result in SIGILL |
| 08:57.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | and now I'm afk |
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| 10:15.11 | dafox | ok, seems like I timed-out again... did I manage to ask this (or did anyone reply?): quick question: I need something to show me what wireless networks are interfering with my ap, and the 'WifiEye' seems like what I need. Is it any good? Or is there a better application? |
| 10:15.48 | ivgalvez | WifiEye is nice |
| 10:16.01 | ivgalvez | you'll see if there are a lot of networks in the same channel |
| 10:16.58 | dafox | ok, I'll use that one. thanks :) |
| 10:16.59 | bebna | can't your ap show the used channels? |
| 10:17.34 | dafox | no, it does have an 'auto select' function, but I'm not convinced how good it is |
| 10:18.06 | dafox | probably because that selects a channel which is good where the ap is positioned, and not where I am positioned |
| 10:19.32 | bebna | then i wish you good luck to find a free channel |
| 10:19.48 | dafox | yeah, wifi is getting pretty crowded :( |
| 10:21.56 | vi_ | dafox: wifieye is exactly what you want. |
| 10:22.04 | vi_ | Also, channel 14. |
| 10:22.19 | dafox | channel 14? |
| 10:22.26 | vi_ | It is a secret channel! |
| 10:22.32 | dafox | really? |
| 10:22.33 | vi_ | (only legal in japan) |
| 10:22.47 | dafox | any information on this? |
| 10:22.49 | vi_ | However it is like 2 channels away from the nearest channel. |
| 10:22.58 | vi_ | Meaning there is less interferance, |
| 10:23.02 | dafox | this is good, right? |
| 10:23.09 | vi_ | ...yes. |
| 10:23.12 | dafox | ah ok :p |
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| 10:23.13 | ivgalvez | but not all devices support channel beyond 12 |
| 10:23.29 | vi_ | ivgalvez: you mean 13 right? |
| 10:23.46 | ivgalvez | 13 sorry, so if you want to use that channel. you'd need to check all your devices |
| 10:24.09 | vi_ | Yeah, that is the downside. SOme devices do not support ch14. |
| 10:24.13 | bebna | if your in europe, don't use channel 14, my neighbour had to pay a big fucking penalty for it |
| 10:24.25 | dafox | mm, it would be worth a try |
| 10:24.25 | vi_ | like the n900 for example :( |
| 10:24.34 | vi_ | bebna: photos or it did not happen. |
| 10:24.54 | dafox | bebna: where (country), in a big city? how did he/she get 'caught'? |
| 10:24.56 | bebna | can't post, on N900 @ city |
| 10:25.29 | bebna | in germany we have patroling cars wo check frequencies |
| 10:25.38 | dafox | I'm currently running in 'usa' mode, I believe the TX power limit is highest there? |
| 10:25.53 | dafox | bebna: mm, I'm just in a small rural town, I'd probably be ok :p |
| 10:26.00 | vi_ | dafox so your best course of action is load up wifi eye and choose either 13 or 1 depending on which one has the least interferance from competing AP. |
| 10:26.51 | dafox | that was the plan. I just found there's a new cssu update, so I'm backing up & installing that first |
| 10:28.02 | dafox | mm, channel 14 seems to be 11b only, too, even in japan ? |
| 10:29.12 | vi_ | Yes. |
| 10:29.23 | vi_ | But who cares, you have THE WHOILE CHANNEL!!! |
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| 10:29.44 | dafox | yeah, at 10mbit |
| 10:29.48 | vi_ | I do not think there is any difference in TX power between the nations. |
| 10:30.05 | vi_ | dafox: that is like 1MB/s. |
| 10:30.12 | dafox | I recently got one of those N routers for more speed (el cheapo edition though) |
| 10:30.18 | vi_ | What are you doing on your N900 that needs more than 1MB/s? |
| 10:30.41 | dafox | vi_ ah, no not just for the n900, its primarily for my laptop |
| 10:30.49 | vi_ | |
| 10:31.00 | vi_ | 640K should be enough for anyone! |
| 10:31.07 | dafox | lol |
| 10:31.41 | vi_ | dafox: then choose either 1 or 13 dependinding on competition. |
| 10:32.03 | vi_ | (ir something in the middle if it is completely dead. |
| 10:32.05 | vi_ | ) |
| 10:32.25 | dafox | ok, I will :) |
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| 10:34.12 | vi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.17 | vi_ | ^says wikipedia. |
| 10:35.06 | vi_ | That would mean if you do use either of those channels you should switch your regulatory domain to EU. |
| 10:35.39 | vi_ | iw reg set EU |
| 10:36.04 | dafox | doesn't say how low though... US low power could still be more than in the EU? |
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| 10:37.50 | dafox | 802.11g client devices are limited to 125mW output by the FCC at this time |
| 10:38.09 | dafox | 802.11b can actually go to 200mW :o |
| 10:39.55 | dafox | europe seems to limit both b/g to 100mW ? |
| 10:41.21 | vi_ | According to WP, yes. |
| 10:41.26 | vi_ | I stand corrected. |
| 10:42.44 | dafox | awww, it seems I'm already in the best zone :( |
| 10:43.11 | dafox | channel 1, nothing nearby (everbody else seems to be in channels 6, 7 or 11) |
| 10:45.00 | vi_ | Then channel 1 it is then. |
| 10:45.16 | vi_ | For extra credit, hax your neigbours AP and move them all to 11. |
| 10:45.54 | dafox | I guess so. Hahaha, do you think it would help much? They're already so far away |
| 10:46.02 | vi_ | dafox: not really. |
| 10:46.03 | dafox | (in the graph) |
| 10:46.09 | vi_ | But it makes a good pub story! |
| 10:46.16 | dafox | true |
| 10:46.25 | dafox | but this wifi eye is really cool |
| 10:46.35 | dafox | I should've installed it long ago |
| 10:46.36 | vi_ | Yes, the interface is really intuitive, |
| 10:47.43 | vi_ | Why are all my . coming out as ,???? |
| 10:47.47 | dafox | thanks! |
| 10:48.03 | dafox | vi_: not for me? |
| 10:48.25 | vi_ | dafox: what is not for you? |
| 10:48.35 | dafox | your '.' are just regular dots? |
| 10:49.16 | vi_ | dafox: It is because I am typing like a spacker. |
| 10:50.32 | dafox | ah, I misunderstood, I thought you meant they were being rendered as a literal ',???' :p sorry |
| 10:50.53 | dafox | vi_: practice makes perfect ;) |
| 10:52.19 | vi_ | AARGH, fuck qwerty |
| 10:54.18 | dafox | I'm going to mess some more with the settings on my ap, so I'll probably disconnect/timeout again soon. bye :) |
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| 11:07.41 | dafox | mm, seems that encryption setting could be changed without rebooting (the router) and disconnecting (the laptop). cool. |
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| 11:50.26 | merlin1991 | dafox: you lucky bastard |
| 11:50.40 | merlin1991 | my router even reboots to change port forwardings |
| 11:50.42 | dafox | what did I do :/ |
| 11:51.04 | dafox | hehe, yes, I was surpised too |
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| 12:50.45 | MrPingu | freemangordon, one question are the modified wlan driver from lxp compatible with the kernel-cssu? |
| 12:56.17 | freemangordon_ | should be, though didn't try if it will work if force installed |
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| 13:00.30 | MrPingu | To be safe, I will copy my current modules. Reflash(needed actually) and go on thumb2-cssu :) |
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| 13:01.47 | freemangordon_ | hmm, me being the maintainer should fix that, ain't :-D |
| 13:03.00 | MrPingu | Let's say it's still testing material ^^ |
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| 13:14.22 | fasta | I installed the flash light application, but the icon is not visible where it previously was. |
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| 13:15.31 | MrPingu | You mean the torch app? |
| 13:15.49 | MrPingu | Lenscover needs to be open to be seen in status-menu ;) |
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| 15:34.27 | vi_ | chem|st: ping |
| 15:35.02 | vi_ | anyone who lives in germany: ping |
| 15:36.06 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer: ping? |
| 15:36.34 | r00t|n900 | pong |
| 15:36.34 | r00t|n900 | (packet injection) |
| 15:36.46 | vi_ | r00t|n900: you live in germany? |
| 15:37.41 | r00t|n900 | i already replied |
| 15:37.57 | vi_ | Is this a valid german address? |
| 15:37.59 | vi_ | THE TIRED KRAUT - CLASSIC BIKE PARTS |
| 15:38.00 | vi_ | ***************************************** |
| 15:38.00 | vi_ | Rudolf-Diesel-Str. 12 |
| 15:38.00 | vi_ | Industriegebiet Nord |
| 15:38.03 | vi_ | D-68535 Neckarhausen |
| 15:38.04 | vi_ | Deutschland/Germany |
| 15:38.06 | vi_ | Ust-Idnr./Tax-Nr. DE 253 690 770 |
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| 15:42.47 | chem|st | vi_: pong |
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| 15:47.36 | chem|st | vi_: Der müde Björn on ebay... http://myworld.ebay.com/der-muede/ |
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| 15:47.43 | chem|st | seems to be valid ;) |
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| 15:48.51 | vi_ | chem|st: That guy has ripped me off. |
| 15:48.59 | vi_ | can I report him here? |
| 15:49.09 | vi_ | Verbraucherzentrale Bundesverband . VZBV |
| 15:49.26 | MohammadAG | fucking apple fucking signatures |
| 15:50.06 | Cor-Ai | iFuck |
| 15:50.17 | vi_ | iFUCK ur rights. |
| 15:50.42 | vi_ | chem|st: who can I report shops who rip people off to in germany? |
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| 15:51.49 | vi_ | chem|st: or these guys: |
| 15:51.52 | vi_ | Stiftung warentest |
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| 16:10.45 | chem|st | vi_: if he ripped you off you go to the police for instance |
| 16:16.08 | MohammadAG | the police hands out instances? |
| 16:16.20 | MohammadAG | fuck singleton classes! |
| 16:16.30 | kerio | MohammadAG: Borgs are much better |
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| 16:17.37 | kerio | MohammadAG: https://pastee.org/hv4fq |
| 16:18.06 | MohammadAG | screw that, the police hands out instances :P |
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| 17:04.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi_: pong |
| 17:05.40 | Vib3 | hi |
| 17:06.08 | Vib3 | are you guys planning to fix hildon issues? |
| 17:06.23 | Vib3 | stops responding if uptime many days |
| 17:06.35 | Vib3 | meant on CSSU |
| 17:07.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi__: you either contact police, or verbraucherzentrale |
| 17:08.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | the latter can direct you to right instance at least |
| 17:09.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | (I feel dizzy, analyzed 15 levels of stack dump by hand now) |
| 17:10.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | and not a nice stack dump backtrace like in linux |
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| 17:10.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | more like raw hex with a few comments |
| 17:11.06 | Vib3 | hehe |
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| 17:13.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | I.E first(!) line of each function was given, with basename of file, then HEX offset from start where next function got called. Hooray for macros, prototypes etc |
| 17:14.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | also all hail to multiple calls to same function, in another function |
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| 18:01.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, 9h 2.5G with xchat and IRC, 63% remainig. That's the way I like it |
| 18:02.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | honestly connewcting a second IRC client to same bouncer account kills your standby like I kill flies |
| 18:12.03 | vi__ | bugh |
| 18:12.11 | vi__ | powermanga game uses like 15MB of rootfs. |
| 18:12.20 | vi__ | flubopoyo...around 10MB |
| 18:12.28 | vi__ | Epic negative karma time. |
| 18:13.47 | ShadowJK | doesn't notice any difference in battery use related to how many clients are connected to his bouncer |
| 18:15.29 | luke-jr | doesn't notice any reasonable battery life from xchat ever |
| 18:15.41 | luke-jr | but maybe that's because I idle in like 50 channels |
| 18:15.42 | luke-jr | <.< |
| 18:15.48 | kerio | luke-jr: wifi or umts? |
| 18:15.57 | luke-jr | GPRS/UMTS |
| 18:16.10 | kerio | gprs or umts? |
| 18:16.23 | luke-jr | who knows, same difference |
| 18:16.31 | kerio | not really... |
| 18:16.39 | kerio | umts takes a shitton more energy, doesn't it |
| 18:16.45 | kerio | anyway, that's your problem |
| 18:16.50 | luke-jr | I heard more, but I don't know about much more |
| 18:16.54 | kerio | mobile data transmission for IRC is pretty bad |
| 18:17.03 | kerio | it's constant transmission |
| 18:17.08 | luke-jr | why? |
| 18:17.15 | luke-jr | IRC doesn't require constant anything |
| 18:17.18 | kerio | because you're idling in 50 channels |
| 18:17.18 | kerio | :P |
| 18:17.25 | luke-jr | that's reception |
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| 18:17.30 | luke-jr | oh. ACKs. |
| 18:17.40 | kerio | TCP doesn't work that way |
| 18:17.45 | kerio | exactly :) |
| 18:17.47 | luke-jr | ponders a UDP Quassel protocol |
| 18:18.15 | ShadowJK | cellular doesn't work that way, even if you're in pure receive-only on the IP level, the radio is still just as active |
| 18:18.24 | kerio | that, too |
| 18:18.40 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: srsly? -.- |
| 18:18.49 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 18:19.03 | luke-jr | gah |
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| 18:19.16 | luke-jr | ok, fine, Quassel changes to not update buffers unless the window/tab is active? |
| 18:19.44 | kerio | keepalives will still fuck you up, kinda |
| 18:20.09 | luke-jr | keepalives can be once every 4 minutes |
| 18:20.13 | luke-jr | if even that often |
| 18:20.22 | luke-jr | why do I need keepalives? O.o |
| 18:20.28 | luke-jr | it's not like my connection is NAT'd |
| 18:20.30 | ShadowJK | Also on umts, any single data packet in any direction will activate and keep the radio active for a minium period of time, measured in seconds. On my operator it's like 5 seconds. That means if there's a single packet every 5s, the radio burns as much power as a constant voice call |
| 18:21.00 | luke-jr | can't override it on N900? <.< |
| 18:21.02 | kerio | <ShadowJK> my operator is horrible |
| 18:21.06 | kerio | that's what i heard |
| 18:21.52 | ShadowJK | it's decided by operator, if you just override it, it'd be same thing as yanking battery or dropping out of coverage |
| 18:22.18 | luke-jr | they check it? :/ |
| 18:22.42 | ShadowJK | it's inherent to the system |
| 18:23.42 | luke-jr | what if you predict it, and turn the radio off for 4 of the 5 seconds? <.< |
| 18:23.57 | ShadowJK | predict what |
| 18:23.59 | DocScrutinizer06 | kerio: luke-jr: ZUMTZ = GPRS * 4, for energy |
| 18:24.07 | luke-jr | wow |
| 18:24.10 | kerio | zumtz? |
| 18:24.34 | luke-jr | ponders setting up some script to set GSM-only and switch to auto only when GSM is unavailable |
| 18:25.10 | DocScrutinizer06 | UDP on GPRS also needs ACK, afaik |
| 18:25.39 | ShadowJK | This is why nokia made libiphb (which is partially closed?), so that several apps could coordinate data bursts |
| 18:25.53 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: wouldn't that be an OS-level thing? |
| 18:26.02 | DocScrutinizer06 | kerio: ZUMTS = UMTS with an ititial typo that looked nicer with a trailing one |
| 18:26.10 | ShadowJK | there's a kernel module |
| 18:26.17 | DocScrutinizer06 | ZUMTZ |
| 18:26.36 | luke-jr | once I thought of writing a "smart VPN" |
| 18:28.04 | DocScrutinizer06 | ShadowJK has the ultimative bandwidth packer for IRC |
| 18:28.22 | DocScrutinizer06 | just missing package propagation on highlight |
| 18:28.28 | ShadowJK | it's a dirty hack, not quite ultimate nor optimal |
| 18:28.41 | DocScrutinizer06 | it's almost optimal |
| 18:29.04 | dafox | vi_: is it really the same guy from the ebay page? he has very high rating... seems weird that he'd try to rip you off |
| 18:29.07 | DocScrutinizer06 | and "dirty hack" is in fact genious usage of existing usnix tools |
| 18:30.18 | ShadowJK | With multiserver, you more or less get one burst per server, at somewhat unpredictable intervals |
| 18:30.28 | dafox | his business profile even has some text saying that he's only got 2 negative ratings, and asking those two people to please contact him... |
| 18:30.30 | ShadowJK | with single server it's somewhat closer |
| 18:30.48 | DocScrutinizer06 | I never even thought about multiserver ;-) |
| 18:31.37 | DocScrutinizer06 | quassel would be optimum, if it would handle highlight and keepalive |
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| 18:33.06 | DocScrutinizer06 | aaaah, and of course ShadowJK's_dirty_hack is missing temporary diabling of buffering when "I" post something |
| 18:33.16 | DocScrutinizer06 | for maybe 3 minutes |
| 18:33.22 | ShadowJK | yes |
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| 18:34.47 | ShadowJK | A good solution would be a bouncer running on both n900 and a server. The n900 side checks whethet screen is on or off. If off, server side buffers until n900 side indicates screen on, or server side detects a message directed at the user |
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| 18:35.21 | ShadowJK | Alternatively "buffer at most 10 minutes or x bytes" |
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| 18:37.46 | ShadowJK | Considering hspa 10Mbit/s and 5 second 3g timer, with ~5 Megabyte databurst your energy efficiency is about 50%! :D |
| 18:38.04 | ShadowJK | (less for smaller bursts than 5 meg) |
| 18:38.12 | DocScrutinizer06 | ShadowJK: don't forget keep-alive |
| 18:38.40 | ShadowJK | Well i dont personally need keep-alive either :P |
| 18:38.57 | DocScrutinizer06 | bastard! ;-P |
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| 18:39.13 | DocScrutinizer06 | nah, sorry |
| 18:39.24 | ShadowJK | but /timer -repeat 0 600 allserv ping |
| 18:39.27 | ShadowJK | in xchat |
| 18:39.33 | DocScrutinizer06 | I think a nice NAT is worth a lot for UMTS/GPRS |
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| 18:39.44 | ShadowJK | gives you 10 minute keepalive :P |
| 18:39.50 | luke-jr | NAT is evil |
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| 18:40.02 | luke-jr | just don't do it. |
| 18:40.11 | DocScrutinizer06 | luke-jr: that's NatIsBad |
| 18:40.54 | DocScrutinizer06 | ShadowJK: keepalive pings are in .xhat2/xchat.conf or sth |
| 18:40.56 | ShadowJK | i get natted during peak use. Basically when ISP runs out of IPs they NAT, but if there are available IPs in the pool they give out public IP. |
| 18:41.00 | DocScrutinizer06 | no need for /timer |
| 18:41.11 | luke-jr | how do you run out of IPs? O.o |
| 18:41.31 | DocScrutinizer06 | what a question |
| 18:41.43 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 18:42.09 | ShadowJK | didn't IANA run out of IPs like 3 years ago? |
| 18:42.11 | luke-jr | I mean, T-Mobile is only assigning me a single IP address, not the /64 they're supposed to |
| 18:42.25 | DocScrutinizer06 | LOL |
| 18:42.27 | ShadowJK | on IPv4 atleast |
| 18:42.29 | luke-jr | so they shouldn't run out ever |
| 18:42.32 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: who uses IPv4? |
| 18:42.42 | ShadowJK | everyone except you |
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| 18:43.41 | DocScrutinizer06 | XP |
| 18:44.23 | ShadowJK | luke your reality distortion field is weak! |
| 18:44.28 | ShadowJK | you need to upgrade |
| 18:44.37 | DocScrutinizer06 | head... |
| 18:44.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...desk |
| 18:45.21 | ShadowJK | I heard the guy with the strongest reality distortion field projector recently died and got buried, maybe you could go dig him up and steal it |
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| 18:46.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, he got burried with the device operating (you never can stop reality field distorters) |
| 18:46.23 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: I am happy T-Mobile provides IPv6-only cellular service. |
| 18:46.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll never find him, no matter how deep you dig |
| 18:46.59 | ShadowJK | Iirc in 2006 nokia was at a google talk, talking about IPv6 and mobile |
| 18:47.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lirc? |
| 18:47.42 | ShadowJK | how they'd concluded that the minimum keep-alive for real life natted isps was about 15secs |
| 18:48.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF! |
| 18:48.07 | luke-jr | port 500 tends to have higher timeouts ;) |
| 18:48.20 | ShadowJK | which for an always-online thing meant 8-fold reduction of battery life compared to non-natted connection waiting for pushemail |
| 18:49.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you get bogus pings and other bullcrap inbound, at <10 s/1 |
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| 18:50.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | NAT-BEHAVEE is a nice read, if you can dig up that RFC anymore anywhere |
| 18:50.43 | ShadowJK | can't wait 'til friday |
| 18:51.26 | ShadowJK | group buy of beer at $work. Got 3 pallets of beer on the way from germany \o/ |
| 18:51.53 | ShadowJK | should keep the thirst of 30 finns quenched a couple of days atleast \o/ |
| 18:52.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | FREAKIN F²¼ð¼³¹NG <BEEEP> |
| 18:52.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | again this 40s forced guru mediation when invoking a website |
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| 18:53.33 | ShadowJK | in "vmstat 1", is US or WA column dominating during guru meditation, or neither? |
| 18:54.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-behave-nat-00.txt |
| 18:55.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think I recall them bashing ZyXEL explicitly ;-D |
| 18:58.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe it's been me bashing ZyXEL back when for not adhering to some fundamental BEHAVE requirements |
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| 19:01.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: nice tip, will check next time I run into it |
| 19:01.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | hre idiot thing is: my CPU load is at 0.x% |
| 19:01.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | during the whole 40s |
| 19:01.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see any external DNS queries timing out either |
| 19:04.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | and honestly, this "Fn" key lower left of this Lenovo keyboard drives me nuts |
| 19:05.00 | vi__ | dafox: yes, he is the same guy. |
| 19:05.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | anybody ever heard of swapping Fn and Ctrl? |
| 19:05.21 | vi__ | I will tell you the story. |
| 19:05.23 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: yes. It is covered in the wiki page on keyboard remapping. |
| 19:05.33 | APTX | it's in the bios |
| 19:05.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | on Lenovo, vi__ |
| 19:05.43 | dafox | DocScrutinizer: you'll adjust to that in 2-3 days |
| 19:05.46 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: oh, your thinkpad |
| 19:06.06 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: if you figure it out tell me, it is a massive pain in the balls. |
| 19:06.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 19:06.29 | APTX | it's in the bios |
| 19:06.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | APTX: o.O |
| 19:06.33 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: you have a trackpoint? |
| 19:06.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup |
| 19:06.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | T500 |
| 19:06.46 | dafox | and love it ;) |
| 19:06.47 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: welcome to the darkside. |
| 19:07.17 | vi__ | dafox: that guy sold me a shockabsorber for my motorcycle. |
| 19:07.23 | vi__ | dafox: it is totally defective. |
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| 19:07.29 | ShadowJK | if it had been cpu use I'd recommended noscript |
| 19:07.40 | vi__ | In fact it is missing internal parts that make it work. |
| 19:08.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | It might still be a friggin script that waits for any shitty event to never happen |
| 19:08.06 | vi__ | dafox: I bought 3 months ago but only got around to fitting it last week or so. |
| 19:08.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | or plugin |
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| 19:08.31 | vi__ | dafox: It was sold to me as a dud. |
| 19:08.53 | vi__ | dafox: the rebound dampner control is not even connected! |
| 19:08.57 | vi__ | dafox: it is a fake. |
| 19:09.49 | dafox | vi_: did you try to contact him? he might be reasonable about it, you don't get to a 99.9% positive feedback rating selling garbage afterall :) |
| 19:10.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 19:10.40 | APTX | DocScrutinizer05: Under Config->Keyboard/Mouse->Fn and Ctrl Key swap |
| 19:10.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | shit happens, even with good sellers |
| 19:11.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | in Lenovo BIOS config?? |
| 19:11.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | APTX: ^^^ |
| 19:11.24 | APTX | yes |
| 19:11.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | bye fellas!! ;-D |
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| 19:19.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | no such option in BIOS |
| 19:20.20 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: it cannot be swapped. |
| 19:20.33 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: by mortal means, |
| 19:20.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | considers using devine means |
| 19:21.10 | dafox | DocScrutinizer: http://forum.notebookreview.com/lenovo-ibm/474396-fn-ctrl-swap-all-lenovo-laptops-solved.html# |
| 19:21.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | involving a soldering ironn and wire |
| 19:21.16 | dafox | bios mods :D |
| 19:21.37 | APTX | DocScrutinizer05: it exists on my W520 :/ |
| 19:23.07 | MohammadAG | speaking of wires and such |
| 19:23.15 | MohammadAG | there was a fan that had two wires loose |
| 19:23.19 | dafox | you might be able to cook something up with xmodmap too (http://superuser.com/questions/377063/mapping-keys-on-linux) |
| 19:23.25 | MohammadAG | I didn't know which was + and - so I just connected them randomly |
| 19:23.44 | MohammadAG | upon connecting to power, I heard a blow, saw a spark, then the whole rom lost power |
| 19:23.45 | MohammadAG | is the fan dead? |
| 19:23.51 | dafox | did you let out the magic smoke? |
| 19:24.17 | vi__ | MohammadAG: you gone done goofed.h |
| 19:24.36 | MohammadAG | vi_, I take it that's an abstract class? |
| 19:24.41 | MohammadAG | dafox, yes |
| 19:24.42 | vi__ | no |
| 19:24.45 | vi__ | a typo. |
| 19:25.22 | vi__ | However I cannot understand why a 2 wire fan, plugged in backwards would cause an 'splosion. |
| 19:25.35 | dafox | then probably it won't work no more. happened to me too once, probably because my fan was one of those with speedcontrol circuitry |
| 19:25.51 | MohammadAG | this had that circuitry |
| 19:25.52 | vi__ | dafox: a 2 wire fan has none. |
| 19:26.03 | MohammadAG | it's a normal fan with 2 wires loose |
| 19:26.04 | dafox | ah, true |
| 19:26.10 | MohammadAG | more than 2 wires in total |
| 19:26.19 | vi__ | 3 oerchance? |
| 19:26.28 | vi__ | ^perchance? |
| 19:26.29 | MohammadAG | with a spinner! |
| 19:27.13 | vi__ | considers a dallas 1-wire controlled fan. |
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| 20:07.25 | APTX | DocScrutinizer05 and whoever else: http://aptx.org/~aptx/images/fnswap_lenovo.jpg I did not mod anything |
| 20:08.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | APTX: atm looking for BIOS update from Lenovo official |
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| 20:15.35 | Woody14619 | ~dict mompl |
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| 20:17.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | moment please |
| 20:17.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~mompl |
| 20:17.20 | infobot | somebody said mompl was a stupid short form for "moment please" |
| 20:17.41 | merlin1991 | lulz |
| 20:18.13 | merlin1991 | wonders how many people in here have a nickname.something dns entry |
| 20:18.53 | merlin1991 | much/many? I don't know |
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| 20:28.27 | merlin1991 | ~seen Estel |
| 20:28.37 | infobot | i haven't seen 'estel', merlin1991 |
| 20:28.37 | merlin1991 | ~seen Estel_ |
| 20:28.37 | infobot | estel_ <~Estel@dgo77.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 19h 14m 20s ago, saying: 'although, apprently, it isn't - from within lxde it' really blazing fast'. |
| 20:28.43 | merlin1991 | ffs |
| 20:31.58 | Woody14619 | I haven't seen him in a bit on other nicks either merlin. |
| 20:32.28 | Woody14619 | merlin1991: Though he's replying to e-mail occasionally... if you need to contact him. |
| 20:34.23 | merlin1991 | I think he's hiding from me ;) |
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| 20:35.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe got k-lined? ;-D |
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| 20:43.47 | freemangordon | hmm, logs on both #maemo and #maemo-ssu stop on 01:20 |
| 20:45.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt logs? |
| 20:45.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka infobot? |
| 20:46.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | err nope, we got povbot for primary logbot here |
| 20:46.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | umpf |
| 20:47.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen povbot |
| 20:47.01 | infobot | povbot <~supybot@office.pov.lt> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 12d 23h 37m 1s ago, saying: '04Bug 11091: Bug in cpufreq module - exposed in /proc/timer_stats'. |
| 20:47.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen povbot_ |
| 20:47.15 | infobot | povbot_ <~supybot@office.pov.lt> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 4d 12h 16m 36s ago, saying: 'Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/9943 MfE Wizard fails if exchange server hostname has IPv4 and IPv6 addresses'. |
| 20:47.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang |
| 20:47.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | this bot drives me crazy |
| 20:47.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | mgedmin: ping |
| 20:48.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | mgedmin: could you check what's up with povbot, lease? |
| 20:48.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~logs |
| 20:48.07 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
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| 20:49.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: thanks for pointing to the problem |
| 20:51.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | funny part is infobot doesn't log /part events |
| 20:55.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | Guest5313: would you like to /nick termana maybe? |
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| 20:57.33 | Juozapas | hi |
| 20:58.49 | Juozapas | is it possible to connect camera to n900 and use it as monitor ? |
| 20:59.51 | jacekowski | yes |
| 20:59.57 | jacekowski | complicated |
| 21:00.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | allegedly some guys managed to attach webcam in USB hostmode |
| 21:00.04 | jacekowski | read the wiki |
| 21:01.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | iPhone has an app that implements a mini-webserver providing some flash website showing what the iphone camera sees |
| 21:01.40 | Juozapas | i want to connect camera with analog output (car rear side camera) |
| 21:01.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | no way |
| 21:02.06 | jacekowski | well, you could use usb tv card |
| 21:02.20 | jacekowski | enough power may be a problem |
| 21:02.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup |
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| 21:04.16 | Woody14619 | Juozapas, you've be better off using a stamp or some other board set to turn the reverse-cam into a mini web-cam and wifi into it. |
| 21:05.01 | Woody14619 | .oO(Or a long fiber-optic cable bundle.... to the N900 camera. :D ) |
| 21:08.04 | Juozapas | ;]]] |
| 21:10.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | or a cheapish mini-TV |
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| 21:16.21 | Woody14619 | notes there are tons of cheep PC-ish dash consoles that have video in, as well as radios, mp3/mp4 playback, etc. |
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| 21:43.49 | *** mode/#maemo [+o chem|st] by ChanServ |
| 21:44.50 | *** mode/#maemo [-o chem|st] by chem|st |
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| 21:57.57 | Woody14619 | For those interested, Council Meeting Minutes are updated on the blog. (http://maemo.org/community/council/community_council_meeting-june_8-2012/ ) |
| 21:58.44 | Woody14619 | .oO(But then if you were interested, you'd be at the meetings, Fridays at 18:00 UTC, yes? ) |
| 21:59.29 | chem|st | Woody14619: no time I am available sry... |
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| 22:00.03 | Woody14619 | Well, feel free to follow along on the blog, or via the channel logger. :) |
| 22:00.41 | chem|st | Woody14619: there are packages pushed to extras like qtlockscreen which are far away from stable |
| 22:00.42 | Woody14619 | .oO(The minutes are quite nice actually, 300 lines of IRC -> 20 lines of minutes.) |
| 22:00.49 | luke-jr | Woody14619: I didn't know there were meetings :p |
| 22:01.03 | Woody14619 | luke-jr, now you know. :) |
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| 22:01.46 | luke-jr | Woody14619: Oops! Google Chrome could not find devel.nokia.com |
| 22:01.50 | Woody14619 | nods at chem|st. This isn't a wholesale push... it's an attempt (by the testing group) to move stable projects into extras that may not have maintainers... |
| 22:03.27 | Woody14619 | luke-jr that was auto-linked by the editor... I haven't followed up on it since I'm neither applying for a device, nor managing the end details. :) Thanks for the catch though, I'll bring it up next meeting. |
| 22:03.47 | luke-jr | maybe he meant garage? O.o |
| 22:04.56 | chem|st | Woody14619: you should reconsider opinions on council deciding if a councelor gets a device... |
| 22:05.17 | luke-jr | Woody14619: anything I can do to help my chances of winning? :P |
| 22:05.50 | Woody14619 | Were it up to me alone, chem|st, I would agree. However, 4 of the others are applying... so even if I were to vote against it, I susspect I would alone in that. |
| 22:06.15 | Woody14619 | like-jr, <snark>run for Council? </snark> |
| 22:06.49 | luke-jr | Woody14619: :/ |
| 22:07.25 | Woody14619 | lluke-jr, Really... your best bet is to put together a nice list of what you've done for the community.... Outside of that? Not much else to do. |
| 22:07.43 | Woody14619 | .oO(If I could type today, I'd be dangerious...) |
| 22:08.08 | chem|st | Woody14619: irc cloaks for who, council? temporary cloaks then?! |
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| 22:09.00 | Woody14619 | In fact, one of the primary reasons I have not requested a device is because I was elected to Council, and felt it would be problematic to be both a judge and a contestant in said competition. |
| 22:09.31 | Woody14619 | .oO(That, and frankly, I can think of 25 other people who've done a lot more to help things along than I have...) |
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| 22:10.23 | chem|st | Woody14619: I appreciate that! |
| 22:10.42 | Woody14619 | Yes, chem|st. Each Council cycle the cloaks on FreeNode are updated to indicate current Council; or at least they were until two cycles ago. One member wanted the cloaks this cycle, so it was again requested. |
| 22:12.39 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, I updated the bug! X-Fade just didn't get around to it quickly. :P |
| 22:13.37 | Woody14619 | Apparently last cycle the one active Council member was not overly concerened with it (and/or was already setup from the previous cycle?) |
| 22:13.47 | chem|st | Woody14619: hehe, I do not remember any council cloaks showing up^^ ever |
| 22:14.07 | GeneralAntilles | I had one for a bit. |
| 22:14.10 | GeneralAntilles | Those were the days. |
| 22:14.11 | chem|st | reading councli showing up ever^^ |
| 22:14.38 | Woody14619 | Lol... :) X-Fade was timely on it... in asking what the names should be. It took me a couple days to get replies from everyone and NickServ registered and what not... |
| 22:14.54 | chem|st | GeneralAntilles: well you are so integrated I barely se you rejoin^^ |
| 22:15.07 | Woody14619 | Currently only 3 of us have them, as SD69 and Ivan didn't want to be bothered with registering with NickServ... |
| 22:15.10 | chem|st | and netsplits are rare nowadays |
| 22:15.52 | Woody14619 | noticed that... netsplits used to happen all the time 10 years ago... |
| 22:16.09 | Woody14619 | .oO(Which was the last time I was active on IRC before this...) |
| 22:17.46 | chem|st | for the chanop... it is the same as tmo moderators, we had councelors being mods or become one for council areas but it isn't helping hot discussions to have a pissed of councelor being mod, even back then some asked me to step in as smod to have the place settled again |
| 22:19.38 | chem|st | in terms seperations of powers council should not be mod nor chanop nor have be elidgible for CA devices |
| 22:19.55 | Woody14619 | nods... You'll find no argument from me on any of that. |
| 22:20.13 | Woody14619 | In fact, if you review the IRC chat log, you'll see I argue that exact point. :) |
| 22:20.25 | chem|st | please bring the "seperation of powers" to the next meeting |
| 22:20.32 | chem|st | Woody14619: I know |
| 22:21.54 | SpeedEvil | I don't see why council members shouldn't be eligible. Clearly they shouldn't vote on devices for themselves |
| 22:24.52 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: they should not vote on any device |
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| 22:25.58 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: if they vote and it is now 4 requesting one you have 4 guys giving out 21 devices denieing all the rest so they have 4 devices left for themselves even without being able to vote for their own device |
| 22:26.07 | Woody14619 | chem|st were that true, distribution would be 100% up to me. |
| 22:26.33 | Woody14619 | Which frankly, I do not want.. :( |
| 22:27.16 | chem|st | Woody14619: exactly |
| 22:29.13 | Woody14619 | And even voting on other council members is problematic... for a slew of reasons... |
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| 22:47.01 | XDS2010_ | any of you guys ever use waze ? |
| 22:47.34 | XDS2010_ | having a hard time obtaining some source build files along with building on maemo |
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| 23:01.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | council cloaks are standard, and usually not revoked |
| 23:02.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | (of course you need a proper IRC account to use a cloak :-P) |
| 23:09.48 | GeneralAntilles | chem|st, when was this? I missed out on moderation-related conflicts of interest on Talk I guess. |
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| 23:13.59 | chem|st | GeneralAntilles: discussion on this was a while ago, confilcts texrat got in with, was moderator but asked me to step in |
| 23:15.44 | chem|st | s/o came up with the idea of council smod by default and afair reggie turned that down |
| 23:15.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | (council) it's an embassador role, not our king |
| 23:16.32 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: thats what the header reads on the council page^^ |
| 23:17.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems nowadays it's not popular to read this header, on council |
| 23:17.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/on/by/ |
| 23:17.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know of only 1.5 I'd think who did |
| 23:18.39 | chem|st | no nitpicking pls^^ |
| 23:18.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 23:19.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen estel_ |
| 23:19.29 | infobot | estel_ <~Estel@dgo77.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 22h 5m 12s ago, saying: 'although, apprently, it isn't - from within lxde it' really blazing fast'. |
| 23:19.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen povbot_ |
| 23:19.52 | infobot | povbot_ <~supybot@office.pov.lt> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 4d 14h 49m 13s ago, saying: 'Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/9943 MfE Wizard fails if exchange server hostname has IPv4 and IPv6 addresses'. |
| 23:20.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen mgedmin |
| 23:20.04 | infobot | mgedmin is currently on #maemo #n9 #harmattan #storm. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 14h 31m 33s, last said: 'if you've enabled developer mode, yes'. |
| 23:20.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | cheers everybody |
| 23:22.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: please ping me any time for topic changes |
| 23:22.39 | chem|st | I know you are upset, I am embarrassed and feel sorry at the same time |
| 23:22.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | topic is length limited, please keep in mind |
| 23:23.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: ???? |
| 23:23.29 | chem|st | 01:17 < DocScrutinizer05> I know of only 1.5 I'd think who did |
| 23:23.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, don't take that 1.5 serious |
| 23:24.11 | chem|st | a 2.5 I would... |
| 23:24.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe 2.5, maybe even 3 |
| 23:24.47 | chem|st | more like an average... |
| 23:25.17 | Woody14619 | : votes PI*i, but thinks few are whole numbers. |
| 23:25.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd however not elect current council for council of century, and that's no accusement to most of the guys |
| 23:26.06 | chem|st | there is a tide, at least I believe there is |
| 23:26.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | however a decent understanding of what council means seems mandatory for *all* council members |
| 23:27.00 | Woody14619 | sighs... Must remember IRC != talker. :P |
| 23:27.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm happy Woody14619 demonstrates it's actually no problem to get the catch |
| 23:27.15 | chem|st | ;) |
| 23:27.19 | Woody14619 | blushes. |
| 23:27.27 | chem|st | puts on a nasty grin |
| 23:29.27 | Woody14619 | hates how long it take to do a full rebuild.... dumb Windows version numbers. :P |
| 23:29.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: you noticed I asked you to comment (and redact) on /topic any time |
| 23:29.41 | merlin1991 | full rebuild of what? |
| 23:30.07 | merlin1991 | doc whatabout a hint about #maemo-ssu |
| 23:30.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | suggestions please! |
| 23:30.20 | Woody14619 | yup.. :) Appreciated DocScrutinizer05 |
| 23:30.58 | Woody14619 | works on non-Maemo work atm... (aka the day job) |
| 23:31.05 | merlin1991 | can't find the topiclen in the server notices |
| 23:31.10 | merlin1991 | shouldn't the server post them on join? |
| 23:32.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 23:32.18 | Woody14619 | I kinda like the generic one. :) |
| 23:32.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | TOPICLEN=390 |
| 23:33.05 | merlin1991 | true |
| 23:33.11 | merlin1991 | fsck search in this client |
| 23:33.12 | *** mode/#maemo [+o merlin1991] by ChanServ |
| 23:33.29 | merlin1991 | eh I didn't think it through yet :D |
| 23:33.32 | Woody14619 | However, the one in #maemo-meeting could use a slight change... |
| 23:33.37 | *** mode/#maemo [-o merlin1991] by merlin1991 |
| 23:33.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: soory, ask GAN900 |
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| 23:34.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | or jacekowski |
| 23:34.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 23:34.16 | Woody14619 | Maybe after the build test. :) brb |
| 23:34.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ETAB |
| 23:34.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | or Jaffa |
| 23:34.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 23:34.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for highlight, jacekowski |
| 23:38.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: seems a lot of clients have shorter limit on /topic |
| 23:39.12 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 23:40.06 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer05 -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ -- N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of maemo-future meet |
| 23:40.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | any complaints befor I deop myself? |
| 23:41.29 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 23:41.45 | robbiethe1st | Ooh, ooh! I have a complaint! |
| 23:41.55 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 23:42.03 | merlin1991 | false alarm ;) |
| 23:42.08 | robbiethe1st | I dunno what it is. |
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| 23:42.15 | SpeedEvil | Is there a need for the (few) ? |
| 23:42.18 | merlin1991 | classic |
| 23:42.23 | merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: yes it is |
| 23:42.26 | robbiethe1st | Hm... how about I complain about Nokia? |
| 23:42.29 | merlin1991 | because it's uhm 3? |
| 23:42.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: fishing for contributors |
| 23:42.46 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 23:43.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you don't like it... |
| 23:44.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cookie |
| 23:45.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+chaninfo |
| 23:45.50 | infobot | 123/123 channels, 4883 users, 3516 unique: #debian/1151, #kde/349, #maemo/267, #gsoc/256, #meego/193, #asterisk/162, #harmattan/160, #wowuidev/144, #oe/131, #webos-internals/117, #wowace/115, #openmoko/94, #wowhead/92, #openmoko-cdevel/72, #utah/67, #n9/65, #uclibc/65, #arm-netbook/61, #tomcat/60, #bzflag/59, #htc-linux/59, #edev/55, #diablofans/54, #qi-hardware/53, #curseforge/53, #maemo-ssu/46, #asterisk-dev/45, #slug/38, #sc2mapster/36, ... |
| 23:46.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+status |
| 23:46.09 | infobot | Since Wed May 30 04:14:42 2012, there have been 78 modifications, 769 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 458 commands. I have been awake for 13d 19h 31m 27s this session, and currently reference 118600 factoids. I'm using about 24668 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3882.19/84.91 child 0/0 |
| 23:46.23 | merlin1991 | this can't be true |
| 23:46.27 | robbiethe1st | 0 morons? |
| 23:46.30 | merlin1991 | yep |
| 23:46.30 | robbiethe1st | WTF? |
| 23:46.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 23:46.34 | merlin1991 | exactly my thought |
| 23:46.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never found out how to create morons |
| 23:46.51 | merlin1991 | ~moron |
| 23:46.51 | infobot | well, moron is someone that types long lines starting with "infobot" |
| 23:47.13 | merlin1991 | infobot is totally not a bot, it's just docs 2nd pc you know? |
| 23:47.24 | merlin1991 | ~+status |
| 23:47.24 | infobot | Since Wed May 30 04:14:42 2012, there have been 78 modifications, 770 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 458 commands. I have been awake for 13d 19h 32m 42s this session, and currently reference 118600 factoids. I'm using about 24668 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3882.48/84.95 child 0/0 |
| 23:47.32 | merlin1991 | nope that's not it :D |
| 23:47.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | toldya |
| 23:47.58 | robbiethe1st | infobot moron moron moron moron moron moron moron moron moron moron moron moron moron moron moron moron moron moron moron moron moron moron moron moron moron moron |
| 23:48.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | Latest version: 1.5.3 @ https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2241 || SVN: http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ |
| 23:48.05 | robbiethe1st | ~+status |
| 23:48.05 | infobot | Since Wed May 30 04:14:42 2012, there have been 78 modifications, 770 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 458 commands. I have been awake for 13d 19h 33m 23s this session, and currently reference 118600 factoids. I'm using about 24668 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3882.64/84.98 child 0/0 |
| 23:48.13 | robbiethe1st | Yup, not working |
| 23:49.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you find out, let me know ;-) |
| 23:49.27 | merlin1991 | ~veresion |
| 23:49.33 | merlin1991 | ~version |
| 23:49.34 | infobot | somebody said version was for the kernel "uname -r", for your distro "cat /etc/*-release" or "lsb_release -d". For other applications, try running it with a --version command. |
| 23:49.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~*version |
| 23:49.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang |
| 23:49.55 | merlin1991 | ~+version |
| 23:49.55 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, version is for the kernel "uname -r", for your distro "cat /etc/*-release" or "lsb_release -d". For other applications, try running it with a --version command. |
| 23:50.03 | merlin1991 | srly |
| 23:50.06 | merlin1991 | infobot is evil |
| 23:50.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 23:50.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~attack merlin1991 |
| 23:50.20 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing merlin1991 |
| 23:50.32 | merlin1991 | ~lart DocScrutinizer05 |
| 23:50.32 | infobot | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in DocScrutinizer05's direction, hitting DocScrutinizer05 and sending DocScrutinizer05 flying into the closet |
| 23:51.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~rot13 DocScrutinizer |
| 23:51.39 | infobot | QbpFpehgvavmre |
| 23:51.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ZGH |
| 23:51.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | UGH even |
| 23:52.17 | merlin1991 | oh shit |
| 23:52.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~upsidedown DocScrutinizer05 |
| 23:52.41 | merlin1991 | perl |
| 23:52.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | muhaha the "%" a tragig fail |
| 23:53.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | the "5" |
| 23:53.08 | merlin1991 | also a clean checkout ist 25 mb ;) |
| 23:53.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> I'm using about 24668 kB of memory. |
| 23:53.56 | SpeedEvil | ~upsidedown ✈ |
| 23:54.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 23:54.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd have expected the plane to fly to the left |
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| 23:55.03 | merlin1991 | infobot longerthan64charslongtesxt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:55.09 | GeneralAntilles | Woody14619, have at it. |
| 23:55.12 | merlin1991 | ~+status |
| 23:55.13 | infobot | Since Wed May 30 04:14:42 2012, there have been 78 modifications, 773 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 462 commands. I have been awake for 13d 19h 40m 30s this session, and currently reference 118600 factoids. I'm using about 24668 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3883.74/85.16 child 0/0 |
| 23:55.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: longerthan64charslongtesxt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 23:55.45 | merlin1991 | that was the first moron related thing grep found :D |
| 23:55.53 | merlin1991 | text longer than 64 chars to parse |
| 23:56.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | attention key is either infobot: or ~ |
| 23:56.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless... |
| 23:56.34 | merlin1991 | ~+status |
| 23:56.34 | infobot | Since Wed May 30 04:14:42 2012, there have been 78 modifications, 773 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 462 commands. I have been awake for 13d 19h 41m 52s this session, and currently reference 118600 factoids. I'm using about 24668 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3884.04/85.23 child 0/0 |
| 23:56.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks to apt we got fun here |
| 23:56.42 | merlin1991 | didn't work anyways ;) |
| 23:56.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 23:57.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+uptime |
| 23:57.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | PURL!! |
| 23:57.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~die |
| 23:57.11 | infobot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 23:57.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah |
| 23:57.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | survived |
| 23:58.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think she acts oin "thanks to apt we do x y", but only when primary instance is 'apt' |
| 23:59.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | occasionally she answers "you're welcome" on those sentences without key |
| 23:59.44 | SonOfDagobah | ~+uptime |
