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| 00:14.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: 12 months seems ridiculous enough, btw |
| 00:14.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | at some way higher values, doom starts |
| 00:24.01 | Woody14619 | ok.. crazy question: Anyone here do anything with Win7 network coding? :P |
| 00:25.33 | Woody14619 | Got an app, runs fine in XP & linux (cross-compiles)... Runs on win7, but refuses to see UDP broadcast packets... |
| 00:26.14 | Woody14619 | Wireshark says they're hitting the NIC, as broadcast, but the app never sees them. |
| 00:26.24 | Woody14619 | hates Win7 at times... |
| 00:26.37 | Sc0rpius | that seems to be a firewall problem |
| 00:26.41 | Sc0rpius | not an application problem. |
| 00:27.08 | Sc0rpius | you should try disabling your firewall completely in Win7 for a few minutes and try again |
| 00:27.11 | Woody14619 | I know.. but: Firewall is off, service is stopped & disabled ( including BFE) |
| 00:28.05 | Sc0rpius | wireshark can see the packets? |
| 00:28.11 | Sc0rpius | but your application can't? |
| 00:28.14 | Woody14619 | Yup... |
| 00:28.23 | Woody14619 | Kills me. |
| 00:28.32 | Woody14619 | Even rebooted.... |
| 00:28.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 00:28.46 | Sc0rpius | is that .NET using C#? |
| 00:28.46 | Woody14619 | .oO(Because anyhting netowkr reuqires a reboot in Windows, right?) |
| 00:29.08 | Woody14619 | Nope.. plain old C, using the socket.h interface for WinSock2. |
| 00:29.26 | Woody14619 | I even called out the ioctls to enable IP_RECEIVEBROADCAST.... |
| 00:29.39 | Woody14619 | Though in Win7 they're supposed to default to on... |
| 00:30.01 | Sc0rpius | do you have VMWare installed? |
| 00:30.05 | Woody14619 | I do. |
| 00:30.10 | Woody14619 | Wait... |
| 00:30.15 | Sc0rpius | disable all VMWare network adapters. $100 that will fix it |
| 00:30.16 | Woody14619 | On the transmit box I so... |
| 00:30.23 | Sc0rpius | no no in the receiver |
| 00:31.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 00:31.40 | Woody14619 | nope, not on the receiver... no vmware or virtualbox there. |
| 00:31.55 | Woody14619 | I have virtualbox on the transmitter, but it's sending packets just fine.. |
| 00:33.02 | Woody14619 | I even setup a firewal rule (even though fw is off) to allow UDP for the port in... |
| 00:33.30 | Sc0rpius | "set the SO_BROADCAST option to setsockopt() correctly" |
| 00:33.31 | Woody14619 | Figuring just in case some part was still running... it would work. |
| 00:34.10 | Woody14619 | Yup.. Without that in >WinNT it won't broadcast... And yes, I even set it on the recieve port too.. (tried it both ways) |
| 00:34.28 | Sc0rpius | no clue then :S |
| 00:34.31 | Woody14619 | I found 2 people on google w/ the same issue & no solutions.. and lots of "solutions" that don't work.. :P |
| 00:34.58 | Woody14619 | the part that really kills me is that wireshark can see the damn packets... |
| 00:35.37 | Woody14619 | on the device I want them to be seen on.... while the app is running.. but the app doesn't see them. |
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| 00:36.26 | Woody14619 | Thanks for the help anyway. :) |
| 00:37.55 | Sc0rpius | well Wireshark uses Libpcap |
| 00:38.06 | Sc0rpius | so it's not really surprising, they are using low level direct access to the NIC |
| 00:38.29 | Sc0rpius | you're using a windows library, by definition it HAS to be broken. |
| 00:38.58 | Sc0rpius | a "Microsoft library" |
| 00:40.03 | Woody14619 | True that.. but really... it should just pass through if FW is off and misc crap is not in the way. :P |
| 00:40.50 | Woody14619 | And it still works in XP... up to date w/ patches and all that junk. |
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| 01:26.31 | Woody14619 | K... I give up.. Win7 wins till Monday. :) |
| 01:26.55 | Woody14619 | I'm off to enjoy the weekend. Have a good one everyone & see you Monday! |
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| 07:57.40 | Estel_ | hm, who updated qtcomponent-10? |
| 07:59.14 | Estel_ | qt-components-10 appeared as new verwion in ectras devel, and isn't automaticaly pulled with CSSU |
| 07:59.37 | Estel_ | same for qt-components-base-theme |
| 07:59.48 | Estel_ | and iptables |
| 08:00.03 | Estel_ | I'm quite afraid to update, as no changelog is available |
| 08:00.15 | Estel_ | any ideas, who have pushed updates and why? |
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| 09:06.26 | Darkchaos | Does the N900 have a Simlock? On the Net there are some that say, it has, and ones who say it doesnt |
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| 11:06.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Darkchaos: N900 *can have* a SIMlock |
| 11:07.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know, SIMlock is a measure done by operators on subsidized devices |
| 11:07.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | or, to put it that way: probably N900 *has* a SIMlock function, but it's usually not engaged |
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| 11:08.04 | eddyb | microB is a microbe |
| 11:08.07 | eddyb | so shitty |
| 11:08.43 | Darkchaos | Well so the easiest way is to try it? |
| 11:08.45 | eddyb | load https://imo.im on it and try to type anything in the user/password boxes |
| 11:09.32 | Darkchaos | Mother of God, If i knew they won't repair my N900, I'd never sent it in. Impossible to send it back, Exchange for a E07-00 offered |
| 11:10.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Darkchaos: insist in getting a N900, either repair/swap OR YOUR DAMN BROKEN ORIGINAL |
| 11:11.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | no way they have a right to snatch away your device, it's your property |
| 11:11.16 | Darkchaos | Well I even wrote to the Nokia Support |
| 11:11.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | sue them |
| 11:11.48 | Darkchaos | She said basically the devices get recycled. |
| 11:12.08 | Darkchaos | And If I tell them my IMEI Number she will tell me what happend exactly to the phone :D |
| 11:12.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | you've sent in a N900, you want back a N900, or you will charge them with all the expense for lawers and whatnot to get the issue solved on your own |
| 11:12.27 | Darkchaos | But how to get the IMEI if not on the Back of the device? |
| 11:12.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | fuck the imei, you have sent in a N900, I guess you can prove that |
| 11:13.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | visit a lawyer! |
| 11:13.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's plain robbery |
| 11:13.45 | Darkchaos | mh |
| 11:13.57 | eddyb | hmm, I might be able to log in imo.im using facebook, since it's a different login window |
| 11:13.58 | rcg | wrt to imei, it's also on the box you bought the n900 in |
| 11:14.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | if they have damaged your original N900, they goddamn get you a replacement, another **N900** |
| 11:14.33 | rcg | and _could_ be on the receipt as well |
| 11:15.10 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: what if they don't have any N900 around, but just N950s? |
| 11:15.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: |
| 11:15.28 | eddyb | that's the only replacement I would accept |
| 11:15.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | what if they now deal with diamonds? |
| 11:16.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rubberboats |
| 11:16.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rubberboots |
| 11:16.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I DON'T CARE |
| 11:17.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | when I send in a device for repair, it's still MY PROPERTY and nobody may recycle it or whatever |
| 11:18.20 | eddyb | damn you microB |
| 11:18.32 | eddyb | there we go, the facebook trick worked |
| 11:18.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | eddyb: we all heard it now |
| 11:20.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponders sending in a used N900 just to open a case at court against Nokia |
| 11:20.29 | Darkchaos | well I got the exchange E7-00 this moment, If I thought about sueing them a few days sooner, I wouldn't have accepted. I Only did because that bitch said: "Even if you don't accept an exchange its impossible to get yours back". Now is there any chance of getting nitdroid running on a E7? My Plan was to resell the E7 as soon as it arrives and buy a used n900 |
| 11:20.46 | Darkchaos | but those priceses raised extremely the last months |
| 11:22.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might get used N900 for 150EUR up |
| 11:23.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | feabay always has some |
| 11:24.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | F U Nokia, for criminal customer support |
| 11:27.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly ponder doing exactly that, send them a N900 for repair, make damn sure I document and get witnesses for every action, and then sue them and also send in a notice of an offence |
| 11:27.18 | psycho_oreos | Darkchaos, if you think about it, you maybe able to recuperate a very small portion of the cost by selling that rubbish E7 and using that money plus saving more to buy another second hand N900 |
| 11:27.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: that's not the point though |
| 11:27.56 | psycho_oreos | I have a broken N900 here, I'm a little tempted to do that but its going to be fun to sue at international level |
| 11:28.17 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, I know I know.. but he has no choice now because he hadn't acted sooner |
| 11:28.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, here we got a lot of people with insurance for such cases |
| 11:29.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | (international level battle at court) |
| 11:29.24 | psycho_oreos | yeah |
| 11:29.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw your primary opponent is your local Nokia representative who received the device |
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| 11:30.31 | psycho_oreos | I'd laugh if we started suing nokia and they wanted to buy the N900 back to prevent further onslaught |
| 11:30.34 | Estel_ | 100% agree |
| 11:30.39 | Estel_ | even now, You can chnange Your mind |
| 11:30.45 | Estel_ | yyou wans't informed well about Your rights |
| 11:30.57 | Estel_ | so, you can send them E7 back, and demand N900 |
| 11:31.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | they can try that |
| 11:31.09 | Estel_ | first of all, you would be surprised, how many unopened N900 they have stocked, if You push them hard enough |
| 11:31.18 | Darkchaos | psycho_oreos: Thats what I'm trying (selling the E7-00) |
| 11:31.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I don't have to accept such request |
| 11:31.40 | Estel_ | Darkchaos, just demand Your device back |
| 11:31.54 | Estel_ | here, sureprisingly, I agree with DocScrutinizer fully |
| 11:32.15 | psycho_oreos | or really you can try what eddyb said, N950 as a replacement _if_ N900 is completely unavailable. There's no other related product to N900 other than the elusive N950 |
| 11:32.16 | Estel_ | of course Yuo can sell that damn E7, but I'm 100% sure if You will be stubborn enough, you *can* get brand new N900 |
| 11:32.23 | Estel_ | many people achieved it, even few weeks ago |
| 11:32.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly guys, if everybody lets get away Nokia with this criminal behaviour, they will think they're doing the right thing. While otherwise they might reconsider their policy |
| 11:32.45 | Estel_ | absolutely agree |
| 11:33.06 | Estel_ | scrapping someone's property without permission is plain criminal action |
| 11:33.15 | Estel_ | BTW |
| 11:33.28 | Estel_ | Nokia should get contract for doing eutanasia - and call it "health care" |
| 11:33.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | N950 doesn't really qualify as a replacement for N900. Unless you can run mameo on it |
| 11:33.36 | Estel_ | "Nokia health care" |
| 11:33.50 | Estel_ | + no chances to get N950, rest assured |
| 11:34.06 | Darkchaos | The Problem is, first I have to get over the Online Shop who sold me the N900 |
| 11:34.14 | psycho_oreos | for now I'm a little reluctant to hand in a spare working device for a POS E7 or even worse, N8. I'm temporarily holding onto my broken spare N900 in case my provider wants it back lol |
| 11:34.41 | psycho_oreos | Estel_, they're still handing out N950, though no longer in large proportions |
| 11:34.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you can try to negotiate with them, but there's little on the argumentative side you can use to make them ggive you N950 instead of E7 |
| 11:34.49 | Estel_ | it's funny, as in my country, only 10 people are required tyo do class lawsuit |
| 11:34.55 | psycho_oreos | but the point is to prevent the from giving you a POS device |
| 11:34.59 | Estel_ | psycho_oreos, but not as replacements for N900 |
| 11:35.12 | Estel_ | they may still have some for "birthday presents" for relatives of R&D team ;) |
| 11:35.28 | psycho_oreos | Estel_, I know but its to tell them you won't budge for a non-equivalent :) |
| 11:35.34 | Estel_ | psycho_orexactly. |
| 11:35.40 | Estel_ | psycho_oreos, rexactly* |
| 11:35.43 | Estel_ | damn |
| 11:35.47 | Estel_ | You know what I mean ;) |
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| 11:35.51 | psycho_oreos | more like happy `whatever' day instead of birthday |
| 11:36.06 | Estel_ | psycho_oreos, I was reffering to one guy on TMO, who started topic... |
| 11:36.09 | psycho_oreos | handing out N950 like as if they were freebie CDs |
| 11:36.17 | Estel_ | about his N950, he dropped it and destroyed screen |
| 11:36.23 | psycho_oreos | Estel_, ah |
| 11:36.41 | Estel_ | the funniest thing is that he got his N950 as birthday present, from uncle who is R&D on Nokia somewhere |
| 11:36.58 | Estel_ | or any other relative, whatever |
| 11:37.00 | Darkchaos | That's even more stupid. It wasn't my fault, It was the common usb-resolder problem |
| 11:37.02 | psycho_oreos | though I'm sure there's plenty of N950 in stock somewhere |
| 11:37.14 | Estel_ | and he whinne,d that usual developer way of replacing device won't work for him |
| 11:37.15 | Estel_ | ... |
| 11:37.19 | psycho_oreos | Darkchaos, and that problem is very common |
| 11:37.31 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 11:37.32 | Estel_ | Darkchaos, You wil ldo what Yuo wan't, but I wouldn't allow them to go away with it |
| 11:37.36 | Estel_ | they can put their E7 in *** |
| 11:37.58 | Estel_ | BTW, even if You accepted it briefly - verbally, not via signing papers - You could just get legal advices and change mind |
| 11:38.03 | psycho_oreos | Darkchaos, exactly how long has the E7 been in your possession now? |
| 11:38.08 | Estel_ | after all, they destroyed Your device without permission, you were shocked ;) |
| 11:38.57 | Darkchaos | That's why im trying to directly write to Nokia, but In order to get it back, I need the IMEI :/. It is about 10 minutes in my possesion, and it's sealed. (I didn't even open the packaging) |
| 11:39.04 | Darkchaos | And I accepted via email |
| 11:39.53 | Estel_ | Darkchaos, bullshit, you don't need any fckin imei |
| 11:40.08 | Darkchaos | well, but how should nokia find out which phone i sent in? |
| 11:40.11 | psycho_oreos | Darkchaos, hmm some receipts should state IMEI numbers, but that highly depends on shops |
| 11:40.14 | Estel_ | You, basically, don't need to care, it's their responsibility. |
| 11:40.32 | psycho_oreos | or at least a receipt for proof of purchase on N900 |
| 11:40.46 | Estel_ | maybe proof of sending it to Nokia "care", lol |
| 11:41.18 | Darkchaos | hmm |
| 11:41.34 | Estel_ | hey,. lets start contract with Nokia. We will accept any device they send us for repair, and repair it for 4$ each. the trick is, that we won't give them devices back, and require serial number of resistor mounter on any random place of device |
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| 11:42.35 | Darkchaos | well the problem is that I didn't sent it in to Nokia, but the Shop did |
| 11:42.45 | zeq | I let Nokia screw me over on this, only let them get away with it because my gf needed a new phone anyway so I bought a second hand N900. She got the E7 stolen not long after! |
| 11:44.14 | Estel_ | Darkchaos, so demand it from sho |
| 11:44.16 | Estel_ | shop* |
| 11:44.18 | Estel_ | whatever. |
| 11:44.37 | Estel_ | honestly, the sooner Nokia - as company - died, the better |
| 11:44.41 | Estel_ | die* |
| 11:44.57 | Estel_ | well,l maybe not before sending CA awards ;) |
| 11:45.01 | Estel_ | and CC ones |
| 11:45.08 | Estel_ | but autumn, why not. |
| 11:45.40 | Estel_ | I should sue them, now, everywhere I see something mixed up with word "care" |
| 11:45.53 | Estel_ | I see big red letters, saying oxy-moron |
| 11:46.34 | eddyb | o2Moron? |
| 11:46.57 | eddyb | hmm, maybe O₂Moron |
| 11:47.44 | psycho_oreos | its actually O for Oxygen not O₂ |
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| 11:48.47 | psycho_oreos | woops, I take that back, wikipedia corrected me |
| 11:49.12 | psycho_oreos | or maybe not, that's dioxygen for O₂ not O |
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| 12:15.13 | LaoLang_cool | How to use filemaanger to open the root (/) |
| 12:15.43 | Estel_ | You can't. |
| 12:15.51 | Estel_ | use terminal or install filebox. |
| 12:16.40 | Estel_ | psycho_oreos, well, oxygen in nature is found as O₂, msot of the times (unless bound with others) |
| 12:17.07 | Estel_ | but, honestly, You're right |
| 12:17.27 | Estel_ | Nokia Care is, in fact, oxydian of moron |
| 12:17.35 | Estel_ | so )Moron, not O₂moron |
| 12:17.48 | Estel_ | s/)moron/Omoron/ |
| 12:18.48 | LaoLang_cool | Estel_, ok |
| 12:18.50 | Estel_ | starts chemistry experiments with "updating" nokia care to O4Moron, and make it fly away, as rocket fuel |
| 12:19.57 | Estel_ | warning,. Doc'S says, that it's prone to self-ignition |
| 12:20.02 | LaoLang_cool | in filemanger, I can click a file, then filemanager will use a default app to open it, how filemanager know which app to open which file? If I'm on terminal, is there a way to do it as filemanger do? |
| 12:20.04 | Estel_ | ...which would explain why Nokia is on fire |
| 12:20.28 | Estel_ | LaoLang_cool, it's just know :P it's not controlled by filebox, but by maemo |
| 12:20.35 | Estel_ | You can alter it by dbus-switchboard |
| 12:20.43 | Estel_ | i.e. define Your own handlers |
| 12:20.47 | Estel_ | X-refs |
| 12:20.51 | Estel_ | URI handlers |
| 12:20.52 | Estel_ | etc |
| 12:21.00 | LaoLang_cool | Estel_, oh, too advanced for me.. |
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| 12:21.05 | LaoLang_cool | Thank you! |
| 12:21.08 | Estel_ | no problem. |
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| 13:51.28 | Darkchaos | Holy Fucking Shit |
| 13:51.31 | Darkchaos | Fuck Nokia |
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| 13:52.11 | Darkchaos | I got an exchange E7 but guess what? It doesn't even have it's own package, It was packed in my N900 Packaging |
| 13:52.34 | Darkchaos | On top of that It is MY charger, not a new one etc |
| 13:53.06 | Darkchaos | Now I can't even sell this E7 to buy a new N900, because It has no value anymore |
| 13:53.12 | Darkchaos | no package, no manual even |
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| 13:56.33 | Estel_ | rotflmao |
| 13:56.42 | Estel_ | Darkchaos, no comment, just don't let them get out with it |
| 13:57.00 | Estel_ | protest, shout on them, or burnYourself before Nokia care shop and leave letter - whatever |
| 13:57.09 | Estel_ | it's absolutely unbeliveable |
| 13:57.18 | Estel_ | what the fuck, they've sent You stolen E7, or what? |
| 13:57.23 | Darkchaos | I just sent an Email to nokia |
| 13:57.44 | Darkchaos | but i believe it's http://eg-electronics.com/ Burn them down! |
| 13:58.44 | Darkchaos | Because along with my E7 I got a "bill" from another company g-support or how it was called, near to eg-electronics. Did Nokia outsource it's care center? |
| 14:01.03 | fasta_ | There is no Emacs for the n900? |
| 14:01.07 | fasta_ | WHAT!?! |
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| 14:12.29 | fasta | If I want gcc on the phone itself, I am doing it wrong? |
| 14:12.47 | fasta | I.e., it's just cross-compile or die? |
| 14:13.14 | Darkchaos | Shit, I can only send in my phone to some authorized dealer not to nokia itself |
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| 14:25.27 | Raimu | Are there parameters I could add to the .desktop file for Maemo5's X-terminal to make it open a new instance of the terminal instead of focusing on the existing one if one's already there? |
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| 14:32.38 | fasta | How can I start a CPU load widget? |
| 14:32.59 | fasta | I tried some menu that said 'add widget', but it didn't show the CPU load widget I had installed earlier. |
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| 15:31.35 | merlin1991 | hm does vi have search and replace? |
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| 15:35.09 | peetah | merlin1991: :s/search/replace/ |
| 15:35.17 | merlin1991 | thanks |
| 15:36.34 | peetah | it will work on the current line only |
| 15:36.55 | peetah | to apply on the whole file: :%s/search/replace/g |
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| 16:14.07 | fasta | So, what can I do with apmofo? |
| 16:14.25 | fasta | There is a readme file, but it doesn't really tell me what the point is. |
| 16:14.57 | fasta | I have seen some screenshots with some kind of tiles. |
| 16:15.11 | fasta | What are those? |
| 16:17.38 | fasta | E.g. like here: http://i49.tinypic.com/2i8y8ms.png |
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| 16:25.02 | fasta | Ok, I am transmitting to my radio now o.O. |
| 16:25.10 | fasta | That's just so awesome. |
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| 17:03.13 | fasta | Which mp3/flac application do I want to use on n900? I would prefer to just ssh over some mp3/flac files and have it working. |
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| 17:34.14 | DocScrutinizer06 | fasta: apmefo creates subfolders in applauncher |
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| 17:34.59 | DocScrutinizer06 | the config gui is kinda clumsy, but after all you don't use that often |
| 17:35.40 | DocScrutinizer06 | don't drag icons in applauncher menu to 'sort' them, as this will ruin apmefo's setup |
| 17:36.00 | DocScrutinizer06 | sort icons *in* apmefo |
| 17:37.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: gcc on phone is best done in EasyDebian chroot, as installing it 'natively' to /bin etc will definitely kill your rootfs free space |
| 17:39.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Raimu: (multiinstance xterm) good question, possibly there's a way, but I dunno off top of my head - check content of *.desktop |
| 17:42.22 | Sc0rpius | ApMeFo is definitely one great app |
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| 17:59.40 | tank-man | "my primary phone runs ..." http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl |
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| 18:11.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | eeeew slashdot |
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| 18:25.55 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: I can get about 4MB/s via ssh, indeed. |
| 18:28.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: yep, and then the CPU maxes out at 100% for decoding/encoding, no? |
| 18:29.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd guess ssh is a rather unsuitable protocol to evaluate speed of physical interfaces, if that's what you're after |
| 18:30.00 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: it seems to wait for I/O most of the time. |
| 18:30.15 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: it only uses about 20% CPU or so. |
| 18:30.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 18:30.36 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: but it's not really sustained, because it also runs other applications. |
| 18:31.06 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: or perhaps because it just switches song. |
| 18:31.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | and AIUI you haven't even used hostmode but rather connected N900 as gadget |
| 18:31.34 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: using pc suite mode |
| 18:31.51 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: I don't really get the whole mass-storage device functionality. |
| 18:32.16 | fasta | Or well, I suppose it's useful if I am on some unknown computer. |
| 18:32.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | yay, ssh over IP over USB, on unclear/undetermined USB speed |
| 18:32.34 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: this wasn't really scientific. |
| 18:32.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 18:32.44 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: it's just a data point. |
| 18:33.22 | fasta | To do a real scientific measurement would require knowing the usb protocol, I suppose. |
| 18:33.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually a quite usefull datapoint as it's completely unrelated to the suspected bottleneck un H-E-N kernel patches |
| 18:33.39 | fasta | And all kinds of other things which probably takes months to get good at. |
| 18:35.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | nonetheless IIRC the musb_hdrc.c mentions that isochronous mode and scheduling isn't really supported with this driver implementation |
| 18:35.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | all hail to super support from Mentorgraphics |
| 18:37.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c?a=mips#L70 |
| 18:40.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c?a=mips#L54 |
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| 18:40.53 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: it seems the whole GUI crashed :/ |
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| 18:41.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm? |
| 18:41.38 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: rsync ssh transfer still is running, but pressing a button doesn't get me a screen. |
| 18:41.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | device freeze? |
| 18:41.45 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: (on phone) |
| 18:42.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, commonly known as swap-hell |
| 18:42.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | it will recover eventually if you don't touch it for a few minutes or hours |
| 18:42.36 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: why would it swap? |
| 18:42.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually |
| 18:42.46 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: the files are <10MB. |
| 18:42.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | AIUI you copied some files |
| 18:43.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a known though not yet completely understood effect |
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| 18:44.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | some experts have rather educated guesses about what's going on, and it seems there are even workarounds that usually help avoiding this |
| 18:45.02 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: top shows 7.9% for the largest process. |
| 18:45.20 | fasta | I cannot seem to be able to simply dump out all memory sizes to less. |
| 18:45.31 | fasta | -cannot |
| 18:45.39 | fasta | seem not* |
| 18:46.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | dmesg |
| 18:48.16 | fasta | I think that driver code is not that good. |
| 18:48.39 | fasta | 1): it's one giant module. 2) not everything is commented |
| 18:48.57 | fasta | 3) it doesn't do everything optimally and makes excuses. |
| 18:49.27 | SpeedEvil | RSS is a lie |
| 18:49.40 | SpeedEvil | it neglects shared library duplicate mappings |
| 18:49.56 | fasta | Well, I guess I just need a 80 core phone then. |
| 18:50.02 | fasta | With 20 usb ports. |
| 18:50.03 | SpeedEvil | http://www.selenic.com/smem/ |
| 18:50.11 | SpeedEvil | - works well on n900 |
| 18:50.17 | SpeedEvil | (the plot thingy doesn't) |
| 18:50.32 | fasta | SpeedEvil: does mercurial work? |
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| 18:54.18 | Raimu | Has somebody built smem into a binary that can be picked up somewhere? |
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| 18:58.27 | Raimu | Python, right... *blushes* |
| 19:00.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, I was sure I already downloaded it to IroN900 |
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| 19:07.58 | SpeedEvil | Raimu: yeah - the 'binary' in the tar works just fine |
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| 19:10.00 | fasta | Can I upgrade the kernel to the power kernel or is that a bad idea? |
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| 19:10.33 | fasta | I run latest stable CSSU. |
| 19:11.02 | Raimu | CSSU is kernel-independent. It runs with with or without power-kernel. |
| 19:11.08 | Raimu | -with |
| 19:11.26 | fasta | Why doesn't CSSU also upgrade the kernel if that power kernel is superior in every way? |
| 19:11.39 | Raimu | Oh, now the can of worms is open. |
| 19:11.43 | Raimu | *chuckles* |
| 19:12.12 | Raimu | Currently it's against CSSU philosophy, since it comes with a lot more than just fixes for broken or buggy things. |
| 19:12.41 | fasta | Raimu: so the kernel is not superior in every way? |
| 19:13.13 | Raimu | I didn't say that. It's just that CSSU is a fixer first and a "new things" second sorta thing. |
| 19:13.50 | Raimu | And kernel-power keeps expanding on the things the stock kernel had. Way beyond bugfixes. |
| 19:14.16 | Raimu | So yeah, I would say it's all right to install kernel-power. After all, you need it for most of the really out-there things you can do on the n900.ö |
| 19:15.23 | Raimu | So... I guess "Backup first, because it's a kernel flashing operation and things can get bricked." Even though k-p has never destroyed my n900. And likely never will. |
| 19:16.44 | fasta | Raimu: by 'backup' you just mean to the internal flash? |
| 19:16.51 | fasta | Raimu: or to a real external device? |
| 19:18.12 | Raimu | Hmm. External device, I guess. I tend to transfer them on the PC with wi-fi. |
| 19:20.48 | fasta | Raimu: just the rootfs? |
| 19:20.52 | Raimu | Oh, yeah. If no-one's mentioned it before, there's a great app named backupmenu for backing up rootfs and userfs. |
| 19:21.05 | fasta | Raimu: yeah, I have it. |
| 19:21.22 | fasta | Raimu: so, basically backup menu rootfs, copy backup offdevice? |
| 19:21.35 | Raimu | In most cases it's good to backup both root- and userfs. |
| 19:21.49 | fasta | Raimu: then, when everything goes wrong, write backup rootfs on another machine. |
| 19:21.54 | Raimu | (It doesn't copy MyDocs at all) |
| 19:22.44 | Raimu | If everything goes wrong, do a reflash of both VANILLA and COMBINE and restore everything else from your backups. |
| 19:23.07 | Raimu | isn't sure but thinks that's how it went. Anyone else clarify? |
| 19:23.20 | fasta | Raimu: I don't think I still have VANILLA. |
| 19:23.51 | Raimu | Hmm? |
| 19:24.02 | fasta | Raimu: ok, define VANILLA first ;) |
| 19:24.13 | Raimu | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware |
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| 19:24.52 | Raimu | Got to go know. Check out the wikis and the talks on maemo.org -- I pretty much picked everything up from those sources. |
| 19:25.01 | Raimu | *now |
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| 21:19.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: (powerkernel) why should CSSU ship a kernel? Isn't it easy enough to install it straight away if you want that kernel rather than the original one? |
| 21:20.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: #1 mantra of CSSU: "it won't however ship anything that can get installed from extras repository" |
| 21:22.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU is about maximum possible freedom of choice, not about forcefeeding users with alternatives to stuff that may or may not be optional in original maemo fremantle |
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| 21:23.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | powerkernel has one inevitable problem: kernel modules built for stock kernel won't work with this custom kernel |
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| 21:25.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU is all dedicated to 100% compatibility whenever reasonably feasible. There shouldn't be a single user of dunnowhat acme-camera-app or whatever, who can't use CSSU or would have to bin his expensive commercial app that ship with stock kernel modules only |
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| 21:29.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | if a patch (of whatever kind) A) wouldn't need CSSU to get applied, and/or B) can't guarantee 100% compatibility, and/or C) doesn't even fix anything that affects users of stock system - it probably has little to no chances to ever go into CSSU |
| 21:30.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's business and domain of projects like powerkernel to bring such improvements to users, that are not absolutely clean and kinda mandatory |
| 21:34.12 | uros1 | strange problem here after reflash missing clock and rest of status bar |
| 21:34.21 | uros1 | any idea? |
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| 21:37.27 | uros1 | no idea? |
| 21:37.30 | uros1 | hmm |
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| 22:00.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ask |
| 22:00.01 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
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| 22:20.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | hears a little man whispering into his ear: "powerkernel? ha! why not bundle most recent kubuntu to new version of libreoffice? It's a great distro and much better than anytging any user installing libreoffice will have installed on his machine right now" |
| 22:22.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | kills the little man with a rolled up newspaper |
| 22:22.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | "Tanke THIS!" |
| 22:22.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | -n |
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| 22:28.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | one additional note: while we haven't really achieved yet, the original idea of CSSU updates been to get rid of that Nokia concept of monolithic PR update blobs, and rather update each subsystem whenever an update is due, without postponing stuff till next nega bundle rolls out the door |
| 22:28.41 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: you should simply add a factoid about what cssu is instead of repeatng yourself always :D |
| 22:29.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | factoid length is limited |
| 22:29.03 | merlin1991 | something along the lines of ~includetocssu |
| 22:29.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I should copy shit to a wiki page |
| 22:29.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | but wait, isn't all there already? ;-D |
| 22:29.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | RTFW |
| 22:30.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | read the f***g wiki |
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| 22:32.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think I'll have to continue explaining it over and over again for the next min 5 years (ordered my #4 and #5 N900, so I'd really hope both hw and repos will serve me at least that long) |
| 22:33.44 | Macer | celtics in 7! |
| 22:33.56 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: lol |
| 22:34.04 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: get a lumia 900 and put maemo on it :-P |
| 22:34.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | WUT???? |
| 22:34.33 | merlin1991 | I ordered #4 some time ago, but I still have to corner to suppliant and ask him where the fuck it is |
| 22:34.34 | Macer | not possible huh? |
| 22:34.43 | Macer | i still have my #2 with its broken sim reader |
| 22:34.49 | Macer | anybody want to buy it? it's just collecting dust here |
| 22:34.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | got one hooker here, more than enough |
| 22:35.08 | Macer | it reads.. just doesn't read it all the time :) |
| 22:38.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks at N9 and hooker, wonders why he's thinking about Lore and Data |
| 22:40.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | just to spam the channel a bit more: got a CF-29 today :-D \o/ |
| 22:41.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | does a little stepdance on the CF-29 |
| 22:43.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ww1RH8iAR4 |
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| 22:46.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDUVRMyXZPI |
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| 22:49.45 | budfive | What's the going price for an n900 these days? |
| 22:50.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | new 260EUR if you can find some |
| 22:50.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | without original package and accessories |
| 22:50.46 | budfive | Gotta love the depreciation! |
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| 23:09.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL at Black Hawk Toughbook |
| 23:20.39 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: what do you need an cf-29 for? |
| 23:22.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, just love decent hardware |
| 23:23.39 | merlin1991 | unless you usually use your notebooks in a warzone and expect it to work after your base got hit, I don't see the point in having it ;) |
| 23:23.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe just not repeat what others said already: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hetxcun5B1E |
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| 23:24.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already stumbled and fell with a CF-27 in my hand. The poor pavement ;-D |
| 23:26.03 | merlin1991 | gotta love youtube comments: ...Refurbished Toughbooks protect and secure your data better than any laptop. |
| 23:26.08 | merlin1991 | dafuq? |
| 23:27.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, let's say I just need it for holiday |
| 23:28.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and for full contact combat ;-P (I actually wonder if the thing counts as a weapon on german demonstrations) |
| 23:33.07 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: I bet the law in question is vague enough that anything sharp, heavy or whatever can be counted as a weapon |
| 23:33.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably |
| 23:34.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | recently the have a tendency to invent laws that are like chewing gum. E.G what's 'smoking'? |
| 23:34.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | or on demonstrations: what's "disguise"? |
| 23:34.57 | Raimu | Hehe, conveniently undefined or vague laws. Gotta love those. |
| 23:35.21 | Raimu | Sounds good and smart and sharp on paper to the masses and you can always say "cops sort it out". |
| 23:35.36 | Raimu | Yeah, cops and courts. And yeah they sure do. *grimace* |
| 23:35.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 23:36.42 | Raimu | This reminds me, I would hate to ever, ever depend on the expertise of, say, any judge or jury of randomly-picked individuals if I was accused of anything -- anything -- that had something to do with modern tech or the Internet or whatever. |
| 23:36.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | "SUCKER! I don't give a shit if that's an astma inhaler! you pay 40 bucks for smoking in the nonsmoker area now, or..." |
| 23:37.28 | merlin1991 | Raimu: yeah, modern tech is kind of a problem |
| 23:38.37 | Raimu | You could have a completely reasonable defense that any actual computer-savvy person would understand, but the people sitting there and deciding for me wouldn't know the difference. They would just think some CSI probably traced my IP with some computer graphics animation and it's all waterproof 101% |
| 23:39.26 | Raimu | Rant over. Good night. o/ |
| 23:39.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
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| 23:40.36 | merlin1991 | Raimu: they used visual basic to make a gui to trace your ip and took a screenshot of your irc chat be cause it's all voilatile ;) |
| 23:41.29 | merlin1991 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ |
| 23:42.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ for 50% segfaults on opening those flash11 things on my T500 |
| 23:42.53 | teotwaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.04 | teotwaki | merlin1991: I think the worst is still the blowfish blowjob scene |
| 23:43.06 | merlin1991 | teotwaki: yep it's in the 2nd link |
| 23:43.32 | merlin1991 | you mean the one where he "hacks" the cia server? |
| 23:43.42 | teotwaki | yeah |
| 23:44.02 | teotwaki | yesterday, I was just flipping through channels waiting for sleep to come |
| 23:44.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | Numb3rs is probably as stupid and silly as it possibly gets |
| 23:44.32 | teotwaki | saw some naval cops show |
| 23:44.39 | teotwaki | the one with gibbs? |
| 23:44.49 | teotwaki | NCIS I think |
| 23:44.56 | teotwaki | Well, the "Miami" version of that. |
| 23:45.14 | teotwaki | Some dude gets a call, and their elite hacker starts "tracing them" |
| 23:45.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | NCIS Miami is almost as idiotic, yes |
| 23:45.29 | teotwaki | within a second "yeah, the call is coming from the same building, lemme get the GPS signal" |
| 23:45.29 | SpeedEvil | ponders... |
| 23:45.45 | SpeedEvil | Midomer Murders - Miami |
| 23:45.59 | teotwaki | not only did they immediately see 3 phones on a map of the building |
| 23:46.15 | teotwaki | the map was 3D, and the gps signal showed them on which floor they were |
| 23:46.56 | teotwaki | now, if we were to go back on that, they're going to make us believe they have 3D topological maps, correlated with GPS data, for every single building on the east coast |
| 23:47.09 | teotwaki | GPS is automagically broadcast when you place a call |
| 23:47.41 | teotwaki | it doesn't matter where you are, anyone can receive that signal -- except the badies, they never use that "smart" technology. |
| 23:47.55 | merlin1991 | rofls |
| 23:48.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and damn that new generation of GPS gets a sub-meter accuracy fix *everywhere*, in 0.5s |
| 23:48.46 | teotwaki | in through meters of reinforced concrete |
| 23:48.56 | teotwaki | I can't get a signal through my fucking backpack |
| 23:49.52 | r00t|n900 | teotwaki: remove that lead shielding... |
| 23:50.09 | teotwaki | so that's why it's so heavy! |
| 23:50.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, it's contemporary fairy tales. Fantasy, fiction, like Perry Rhodan |
| 23:50.20 | teotwaki | next scene, (baddie) sniper makes some dude's phone ring, has him in her scope, spends roughly 30 seconds adjusting the scope for wind and shit, takes the shot, and misses (obviously) |
| 23:50.25 | merlin1991 | teotwaki: also the tinfoil hat is affecting your reception ;) |
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| 23:50.58 | teotwaki | two elite cops go after her, one of them shouts "cover me" (they're roughly at 400m from the building) and the dude whips out his 9mm and starts shooting |
| 23:51.12 | merlin1991 | I really love it how in most "csi" series the sniper adjusts the scope for wind and stuff when the target is only over the street |
| 23:51.14 | teotwaki | every single bullet hits within a closer area than the sniper bullet |
| 23:51.33 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 23:51.51 | teotwaki | the guy somehow manages to get up the 8th story of the (empty and abandoned) parking lot within 3 seconds |
| 23:51.54 | merlin1991 | don't you know, them cops have amazing aim with their 9mm ;) |
| 23:52.09 | SpeedEvil | teotwaki: Pigs can fly in CSI! |
| 23:52.16 | teotwaki | he sees a car driving down, whips out his pistol, and empties some 20 bullets into the car |
| 23:52.42 | GeneralAntilles | 9mm is more accurate than .300 Win Mag, dumbass. |
| 23:52.44 | GeneralAntilles | Sheesh. |
| 23:52.47 | GeneralAntilles | Learn something. |
| 23:53.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 23:53.18 | GeneralAntilles | Shorter barrels from imparting harmonic vibrations to the bullet |
| 23:53.21 | GeneralAntilles | so they fly truer. |
| 23:53.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's metric, it has to be more accurate |
| 23:53.59 | teotwaki | let's go back over the scene: there was no wind in any of the trees, the scope didn't need adjusting. The shot was unmissable. 9mm has less recoil and exactly the same concrete penetrating properties as a .50 cal, cops are allowed to shoot at random passing cars without probable cause (he couldn't see the driver, and never saw her climb into the car) |
| 23:55.01 | teotwaki | now, I don't mind the odd honest mistake |
| 23:55.36 | teotwaki | Such as, for example, some show playing Beethoven in the background and the dialogue going "Oh, I love Mozart" |
| 23:55.58 | merlin1991 | still the best wtf regarding guns I had was in matrix, where neo dodges the bullets |
| 23:56.25 | teotwaki | merlin1991: you've not seen the one where they bend bullets? |
| 23:56.29 | merlin1991 | drops weapons to ground, dodges (no pistols on the ground), picks the magically reappearing pistols up again |
| 23:56.45 | teotwaki | Movie "Wanted"? |
| 23:56.47 | merlin1991 | teotwaki: you mean wanted |
| 23:56.49 | merlin1991 | yeah :D |
| 23:57.00 | merlin1991 | well at least their weapons don't jump in and out of existance |
| 23:57.08 | SpeedEvil | merlin1991: But there you can explain that legitimately. |
| 23:57.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: that's the matrix |
| 23:57.16 | teotwaki | It's the matrix |
| 23:57.21 | SpeedEvil | Becuase stuff can actually go in and out of existance. |
| 23:57.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-P |
| 23:57.40 | teotwaki | It's a shame they never made any sequels to the Matrix, good movie. |
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| 23:58.35 | merlin1991 | http://youtu.be/Kc4cBiSXoCs?t=40s for the wtf :D |
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| 23:59.27 | GeneralAntilles | teotwaki, you're just bitter because you can't suspend your disbelief like the rubes can. :P |
| 23:59.46 | teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: rubes? |
