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| 00:59.55 | mtnman | hello |
| 01:00.54 | mtnman | i connected to my n900 with "ssh -X hostname" and did "startx" but the command is not found. is there a way to make this work? |
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| 01:01.27 | SpeedEvil | you're trying to do what? |
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| 01:42.29 | mtnman | i am trying to run X applications on the n900 and display on a separate machine |
| 01:46.32 | SpeedEvil | you don't generally want to run startx then - that will start an X server, which won't work at all remotely. |
| 01:46.53 | SpeedEvil | Simply running an X application should forward over the X link |
| 01:46.57 | SpeedEvil | the ssh link |
| 01:48.17 | mtnman | good point |
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| 01:49.16 | Estel^ | mtnman, You may want to read: |
| 01:49.16 | Estel^ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81408 |
| 01:49.26 | Estel^ | it is about different thing, but problems with X forwarding are mentioned there |
| 01:49.46 | mtnman | thank you i will read it. thanks. |
| 01:50.09 | Estel^ | SpeedEvil, what kind of X applications on N900 are suited to run over remote X? |
| 01:50.12 | Estel^ | isn't it broken? |
| 01:50.28 | SpeedEvil | many don't work |
| 01:50.35 | Estel^ | do we know cause? |
| 01:50.46 | SpeedEvil | They require local shared memory |
| 01:51.04 | Estel^ | and proper way to fix it would be?... |
| 01:51.19 | Hurrian | mount /dev/shm ? |
| 01:51.23 | SpeedEvil | Rewrite the app to not require local shared memory |
| 01:51.31 | Estel^ | (.e. tweaking some configs, Or recompiling something, or RE some closed bit in Maemo...) |
| 01:51.57 | Estel^ | Hurrian, on N900's side? and why it won't work?:P |
| 01:52.27 | Estel^ | (won't work - assumption based on common opinion that it won't work without rewriting) |
| 01:52.30 | Hurrian | hmm, tmpfs is already mounted on /dev/shm |
| 01:52.38 | Estel^ | yep |
| 01:52.42 | SpeedEvil | tmpfs is irrelevant |
| 01:52.43 | Hurrian | perhaps we should make it bigger? |
| 01:52.49 | Hurrian | it's only 64M |
| 01:52.52 | SpeedEvil | It requires shared memory access with th evideo buffer |
| 01:53.01 | SpeedEvil | which is on another computer |
| 01:53.04 | Hurrian | ah |
| 01:53.05 | SpeedEvil | which will be ... trick |
| 01:53.08 | SpeedEvil | y |
| 01:53.11 | Estel^ | SpeedEvil, why is it problem on N900, and isn't in generic? linuxbox |
| 01:53.20 | SpeedEvil | It is. |
| 01:53.25 | SpeedEvil | Not all stuff works remotely. |
| 01:53.27 | SpeedEvil | normally |
| 01:53.32 | Estel^ | understood. |
| 01:53.36 | SpeedEvil | More stuff is designed to fallback gracefully |
| 01:54.28 | Estel^ | SpeedEvil, the link I mentioned is a WIP to make N900 connected with Raspberry Pi via USB networking, into using Pi's HDMI-out |
| 01:54.34 | Estel^ | it already works for easy debian... |
| 01:54.54 | Estel^ | forfwarding whole thing to different video output... (easy debian processed on N900) |
| 01:55.07 | Estel^ | but, still can't make it work properly for Maemo itself |
| 01:55.17 | Hurrian | Estel^, easy-debian uses xephyr |
| 01:55.22 | Estel^ | what would be, in easy steps a way to forward out little Maemo? |
| 01:55.26 | Estel^ | Hurrian, yep |
| 01:55.51 | Estel^ | SpeedEvil, the point is to sue different resolutions, and to not use PAL video out ;) |
| 01:56.16 | Estel^ | = I would eb glad to even use real 800x480 via dhmi on external screen, but of course, other, higher resolutions would be great to |
| 01:56.17 | Hurrian | Estel^, vncserver -geometry 800x480 -nolisten tcp :1 |
| 01:56.22 | SpeedEvil | Then you need to startup a whole new desktop |
| 01:56.27 | Estel^ | no no no, vnc is too slow |
| 01:56.27 | Hurrian | Estel^, vncserver -geometry 1920x1080 -nolisten tcp :1 |
| 01:56.30 | SpeedEvil | If you don't want to use the same resolution. |
| 01:56.36 | SpeedEvil | And almost nothing at all will work |
| 01:56.41 | SpeedEvil | As it's all one resolution only |
| 01:56.54 | Estel^ | SpeedEvil, ok, lets start with desktop @ 800x480 |
| 01:57.02 | SpeedEvil | Generally only minimally ported stuff without hildon tweaks works properly |
| 01:57.09 | Estel^ | yea |
| 01:57.16 | Estel^ | higher resolutions would be mean to run with only such stuff |
| 01:57.20 | SpeedEvil | (at other res) |
| 01:57.53 | Estel^ | Hurrian, VNC is too slow in such setup, and we need at least good 10 FPS :P |
| 01:58.23 | Estel^ | SpeedEvil, could You, if got some spare time anytime soon, look @ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81408 and problems mentioned there? |
| 01:58.30 | Estel^ | would be evry rgateful for Your input :) |
| 01:58.45 | Estel^ | s/evry rgateful/very grateful/ |
| 01:59.02 | Estel^ | as You sounds like someone who know how to deal with this stuff |
| 01:59.15 | Estel^ | Hurrian, You're also welcomed there, but You're there already, so I haven't invited You :P |
| 01:59.38 | Hurrian | Estel^, DISPLAY=192.168.1.x:0.0 startx, i guess |
| 01:59.44 | Hurrian | with an X client listening |
| 02:00.08 | SpeedEvil | In principle, you can start the maemo X stack, pointed to another X server. |
| 02:00.08 | Estel^ | one caveat - N900's things are, many times, hardcoded to Display<local> |
| 02:00.15 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 02:00.27 | Hurrian | you still don't have opengl anything though |
| 02:00.29 | SpeedEvil | Most stuff - possibly including the window manager - won't actually work like this. |
| 02:00.30 | Hurrian | which means hildon breaks |
| 02:00.43 | Estel^ | hm... |
| 02:00.44 | SpeedEvil | So, you won't end up with a functioning system at all. |
| 02:00.52 | Estel^ | yea. |
| 02:01.05 | SpeedEvil | If you do manage to patch it into sort-of-working - none of the 'main' applications actually works. |
| 02:01.20 | SpeedEvil | (I think I found a few which did - but they were few and far between) |
| 02:01.32 | Estel^ | any way to overcome this problem? |
| 02:01.37 | SpeedEvil | And then you run into the issue that doing it this way - you don't have a working normal display. |
| 02:01.55 | SpeedEvil | Or alternatively, you have two copies of X and the whole stack in RAM. In 256M |
| 02:02.01 | Estel^ | :D |
| 02:02.05 | SpeedEvil | Which is a good benchmark of swap. |
| 02:02.08 | SpeedEvil | But little else |
| 02:02.33 | SpeedEvil | In principle, something faster than VNC could be done to clone the desktop. |
| 02:02.36 | Estel^ | lets say that switching between EITHER normal display and remote isn't a problem, but, any way to actually make it *work*, not proof-of-concept? |
| 02:02.37 | SpeedEvil | More is challenging. |
| 02:02.42 | Estel^ | yea |
| 02:02.54 | SpeedEvil | I've not seen any clean way to switch programs between X servers |
| 02:03.04 | Estel^ | cloning desktop could be ok, if we would have something that doens't care about bandwidth |
| 02:03.19 | Estel^ | and, for example, tries to maintain constant FPS |
| 02:03.27 | SpeedEvil | In principle, you would need to fork the X server, and make an X server with an integrated optimised VNC client. |
| 02:03.28 | Estel^ | 0 compression, etc, to not add much overhead |
| 02:03.30 | Hurrian | SpeedEvil, such a thing is not at all good. app will need to be relaunched with DISPLAY variable |
| 02:03.33 | SpeedEvil | This could be quite a lot faster. |
| 02:03.46 | Estel^ | ouh |
| 02:03.55 | SpeedEvil | Hurrian: I don't think it's in principle impossible, but it would need a 'shim' with lots of state |
| 02:04.03 | Estel^ | ok, so now, why Easy Debian works liek a charm without additional overhead? due to xephyr? |
| 02:04.10 | SpeedEvil | Hurrian: the patched X server is possibly the easier way. |
| 02:04.13 | Hurrian | Estel^, local networking |
| 02:04.16 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 02:04.30 | Estel^ | and no way to add xephyr layer to Maemo or part of it, I suppose? |
| 02:04.59 | Hurrian | Estel^, you'd have to start all of hildon-desktop again |
| 02:05.14 | Estel^ | Hurrian, I'm talking about local networking as whole backend - USB networking between raspberry Pi and N900 |
| 02:05.20 | SpeedEvil | In principle, you could instead of forking the X server, make Xephyr understand multiple displays |
| 02:05.47 | Hurrian | SpeedEvil, basically, making the raspi look like a second screen under the current xserver |
| 02:05.55 | SpeedEvil | And then start the whole stack under xephyr |
| 02:06.09 | Estel^ | it's a pity that no existing tools could be used... or I'm wrong? I'm quite not experienced enough to modify code of existing things that much. |
| 02:06.11 | SpeedEvil | Hurrian: Or that. |
| 02:06.24 | SpeedEvil | As far as I'm aware, there are no suitable tools. |
| 02:06.40 | SpeedEvil | Is there an ##x? |
| 02:06.41 | Hurrian | SpeedEvil, actually, we should look into the kernel driver for the TV-Out, and see how it clones the display, scales and sends |
| 02:06.51 | Estel^ | Hurrian, making things to see RPi as second screen, would include any very hard to do modifications, and/or closed bits roadblocks? |
| 02:07.04 | Hurrian | Estel^, closed bits shouldn't be roadblocks |
| 02:07.09 | Estel^ | hm, kernel-driver for tv-out? I wonder if it's open |
| 02:07.11 | SpeedEvil | It is |
| 02:07.23 | Hurrian | Estel^, the kernel patch is open, so I assume it is |
| 02:07.36 | Estel^ | Hurrian, using it to send non-scaled output would be great |
| 02:08.15 | Estel^ | will try to buggy freemangordon or Pali about it - it is, for sure, much more benefit than messing for ages with facebook upload plugin (without any disrespect to work being done to RE the latter) |
| 02:08.18 | Hurrian | Estel^, yeah, create a fake framebuffer device to send output of any resolution |
| 02:08.25 | Estel^ | if no rocket-science involved, it could be best option |
| 02:08.56 | Estel^ | Hurrian, fake framebuffer is re modified tv-out kernel module, yep? |
| 02:09.40 | SpeedEvil | Stuff like video is unlikely to work. |
| 02:10.00 | Estel^ | no problem, it's not meant for that - ho ever, if You think about it, video works via tv-out, so why not? |
| 02:10.08 | Estel^ | (using 900x480) |
| 02:10.18 | Estel^ | s/900/800/ |
| 02:10.22 | SpeedEvil | Estel^: It will work to the framebuffer |
| 02:10.44 | SpeedEvil | you can't expect to be able to either transport or compress 800*480*3*30fps however. |
| 02:11.23 | Estel^ | probably, some optimizations to send it with respect to USB networking bandwidth could be used |
| 02:11.30 | Estel^ | heck, it could be even scaled down to WiFi |
| 02:11.40 | SpeedEvil | Optimisations = CPU |
| 02:11.49 | Estel^ | and allow to either send via tv-out, OR fast usb networking OR slower WiFi |
| 02:11.58 | Estel^ | no no, I mean optimisation = lower output |
| 02:12.00 | Estel^ | for example, lower fps |
| 02:12.31 | Estel^ | it works with tv-out with "transparent" fps (i.e. looks like native), with all those resizing and PAL compression... |
| 02:12.42 | SpeedEvil | That's all hardware |
| 02:12.50 | Estel^ | why should it over USb networking? |
| 02:12.53 | Estel^ | understand |
| 02:12.58 | SpeedEvil | There is no PAL compression |
| 02:13.06 | Estel^ | used wrong word |
| 02:13.09 | Estel^ | scaling |
| 02:13.15 | Estel^ | probably that's what I mean ;) |
| 02:13.20 | SpeedEvil | It's simply another DAC reading the framebuffer out line by line, and outputting it in the correct format. |
| 02:13.31 | SpeedEvil | As a hardware unit, using no CPU or DSP bandwidth at all. |
| 02:14.05 | Estel^ | Ok... I wonder, how much CPu (or maybe DSP?) would use reading framebuffer and sending it @ 900x480 (or other resolutions) at usable FPS |
| 02:14.16 | Estel^ | 800x480, heck |
| 02:14.22 | SpeedEvil | CPU - unless you can find someone to code DSP |
| 02:14.34 | SpeedEvil | Plus - if you have DSP decoding video, it can't be doing other things |
| 02:14.38 | Estel^ | we have some people udnerstanding openGLES, but I think it's not related? |
| 02:14.51 | Estel^ | reasonable. |
| 02:15.11 | Estel^ | hey |
| 02:15.20 | Estel^ | would it be possible to use raspberry CPU to read from N900's framebuffer? |
| 02:15.24 | SpeedEvil | Going to sleep - sorry :) |
| 02:15.28 | SpeedEvil | USB is a bus |
| 02:15.34 | SpeedEvil | It has to have CPUs at both ends |
| 02:15.42 | SpeedEvil | The way you're using it |
| 02:15.48 | Estel^ | yea |
| 02:15.56 | SpeedEvil | Firewire in principle can do that I think |
| 02:16.02 | Estel^ | so I wodne rif it's possible to utilise Pi to process N900's framebuffer, instead of doing everything on N900 |
| 02:16.33 | Estel^ | no problem, good night :) |
| 02:16.35 | SpeedEvil | 800*600*3*30 >>480MBPs |
| 02:16.49 | Estel^ | formk which those *3 comes from? |
| 02:16.52 | Estel^ | from where* |
| 02:16.54 | SpeedEvil | coloru |
| 02:17.16 | Estel^ | ouh |
| 02:18.04 | Estel^ | 800*480*3*10 = 11,5 Mb/s |
| 02:18.09 | Estel^ | if I count correctly |
| 02:18.32 | Estel^ | that erm, 11,5 MB/s actually |
| 02:18.52 | Estel^ | that should work flawlessly over USB |
| 02:19.01 | Estel^ | even 20 fps |
| 02:19.30 | Estel^ | Hurrian, Your thoughts about it? isn't my math screwed?:D |
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| 02:33.01 | Hurrian | hmm |
| 02:33.24 | Hurrian | 800x480=384000 pixels on the screen. |
| 02:34.19 | Hurrian | 384000*3=1152000b color maximum |
| 02:35.20 | Hurrian | works out to 1.1 Mb/frame |
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| 03:10.32 | cuppsy | Evening everyone. So I'm an asshole and somehow tried to change /bin/sh to /bin/bash for my user. Upon rebooting, I seemed to have borked my N900. When trying to reflash it, it just keeps telling me "device or resource busy." I've read the wiki, and nothing there gets me past the busy error. |
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| 03:10.52 | cuppsy | The phone has/had u-boot, if that makes a difference (I tried MeeGo at one point). Beyond that, it's basically stock. |
| 03:11.05 | cuppsy | Any advice on how to get this thing back to stock? |
| 03:11.15 | cuppsy | Or change back to /bin/sh so it'll boot? |
| 03:11.41 | Estel_ | Hurrian, so it should work without any problems via USB networking |
| 03:12.12 | Estel_ | even with 20 and 30 fps |
| 03:12.29 | Estel_ | honestly, should work reliably over WiFi with 10 FPS (with good connection) |
| 03:13.11 | Hurrian | Estel_, indeed |
| 03:13.18 | Estel_ | would be killer feature |
| 03:13.33 | Estel_ | now we just need to tease our overprojected KP team to look at tv-out module :P |
| 03:13.44 | Estel_ | ~striptease |
| 03:13.45 | infobot | Hoogah Hoogah wah wah *takes of the box* *dances around showing of the cpu and memory* Ah yeah you likey my little HD no? |
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| 03:14.15 | Hurrian | rages at circular gcc -> glibc -> gcc dependency |
| 03:14.42 | cuppsy | Wow... just... ignore everything I wrote up above. I am the world's biggest asshole. I held N instead of U, and it worked. Eff me. My apologies for wasting everyone's time. |
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| 03:19.08 | Estel_ | cuppsy, now worrries, "oh shit!" moments happen to everyone :) |
| 03:20.32 | Hurrian | Estel_, ever had a moment where you were trying to build something but dependencies were circular? |
| 03:20.35 | cuppsy | Estel: It's weird. I said that, and it flashed the Combined file... but stick got stuck at the five whtie dots. I tried to flash the EMMC, and is gave me the "device is busy" again. |
| 03:20.38 | cuppsy | :( |
| 03:20.49 | Estel_ | hm |
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| 03:20.57 | Estel_ | Hurrian, what do You mean exactly? :D |
| 03:21.13 | Estel_ | your package depends on b, b depends on a, and a depend son your package?:D |
| 03:21.39 | Estel_ | impossible situation, until someone screwed dependencies |
| 03:21.54 | Estel_ | cuppsy, would like to help, but I haven't used U-boot yet |
| 03:22.04 | Hurrian | Estel_, archppc devs seem to have packaged glibc without a header file. trying to build glibc = need to remake gcc with tls. new gcc build depends on glibc for that header file. |
| 03:22.20 | cuppsy | Estel_ I'm thinking trying U-boot was a bad idea. Seems to be making flashing a bitch. |
| 03:22.35 | Estel_ | Hurrian, submit bug to archppc devs |
| 03:22.47 | Hurrian | Estel_, i'm pretty sure the main dev is MIA |
| 03:22.53 | Estel_ | cuppsy, in fact no, it's just not as much "tutorialed" as multiboot or bootmenu |
| 03:23.12 | Estel_ | Hurrian, coudl You fix it yourself and upload new version? |
| 03:23.16 | Hurrian | repositories are almost empty, only core and extra and complete |
| 03:23.27 | Hurrian | Estel_, I'm working on rebuilding EVERYTHING from latest Arch pkgbuilds |
| 03:23.34 | Hurrian | since everything is old by now |
| 03:23.36 | Estel_ | yea |
| 03:23.50 | Estel_ | would need to fix this glibc without header |
| 03:23.53 | Hurrian | problem is, it's slightly irritating as I'm building native on PS3 |
| 03:23.58 | Estel_ | :D |
| 03:24.53 | Hurrian | **** this, I'm setting up cross-compiler |
| 03:30.43 | Hurrian | everything'll be rebuilt for ppc64 architecture |
| 03:37.40 | ZogG_laptop | celebs here on chan =) |
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| 03:45.05 | Estel_ | ZogG_laptop, what are You celebrating? :) |
| 03:47.48 | ZogG_laptop | after n900 death i'm here once in half year and mostly on harmattan chan, so not used to see that a lot people talking =) |
| 03:48.04 | ZogG_laptop | and you and Hurrian are not enuf for celebs? |
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| 03:52.27 | ZogG_laptop | lol |
| 03:52.44 | ZogG_laptop | i was spoking with you while you was off |
| 03:53.21 | ZogG_laptop | doen't matter. need to go to sleep ☺ |
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| 04:05.26 | Estel_ | good night ZogG :) |
| 04:05.48 | Estel_ | ZogG_laptop, actually. well, I'm just cooking fun things on my wrt54GL |
| 04:05.53 | Estel_ | so, sometimes, I reboot router |
| 04:06.06 | Estel_ | normally, i'm available 24/7 :) |
| 04:06.31 | Estel_ | (of course, I mean only my presence on I$RC - I may be away, actually, but I do read logs after returning) |
| 04:06.50 | Estel_ | so feel free to write to me, especially using my name - this way, I have Your message highlighted |
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| 04:36.44 | Sc0rpius | :/ |
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| 05:07.50 | Sc0rpius | tmo down? |
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| 05:14.33 | Estel_ | Sc0rpius, no, why? |
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| 05:26.51 | Sc0rpius | it's up again. |
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| 08:49.52 | jacekowski | where is pali |
| 08:49.57 | jacekowski | infobot: seen pali |
| 08:49.58 | infobot | pali <~pali@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 9h 25m 1s ago, saying: 'nox-, thanks for non flash link!'. |
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| 10:09.00 | teotwaki | I can't by my 114wpm record :( |
| 10:09.05 | teotwaki | s/by/beat/ |
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| 10:12.06 | Hurrian | teotwaki, new keyboard? |
| 10:12.18 | teotwaki | Hurrian: yes |
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| 10:25.18 | SpeedEvil | 114wpm on n900? |
| 10:25.24 | SpeedEvil | Your poor thumbs |
| 10:25.27 | teotwaki | haha |
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| 10:25.56 | SpeedEvil | I got to about 35, after using it for IRC for a week when my laptop died |
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| 10:34.27 | teotwaki | I'm so tired of my job |
| 10:34.41 | teotwaki | I've actually spent the morning battling to try and get a unit test to compile. |
| 10:34.46 | teotwaki | And failed. |
| 10:35.18 | teotwaki | Fucking conditional compilation -- even I were to get the damn thing to compile, it'd be near void considering it's... conditional compilation, so the unit test doesn't get the same code compiled in as other parts of the system. |
| 10:35.28 | teotwaki | Fucking stupid piece of ass shit software. |
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| 10:45.10 | vi__ | teotwaki: I agree. |
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| 11:13.11 | Estel_ | teotwaki, don't get so 1337 with WPM speed, or you'll end up like secretary from Chiswick, 220 WPM (Dr. who pun intended) |
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| 11:34.45 | Estel_ | hah, installed aircrack-ng and friends on my wrt54GL... 250mW output + two quite big antennas, + possibility to power it with DC from 5 to ~17V = can use external battery pack to power it... In concjuction with N900 (using usb-ethernet adapter, to connect to WRT54GL and SSH), it creates quite awesome wardriving machine... |
| 11:34.59 | Estel_ | still lightweight, and very portable |
| 11:35.55 | Estel_ | ...And who needs those expensive mobile wardriving tools? WRT54GL, if took out from case (which got *plentry* of room for mods), is roughly size of 2 N900's, + antennas |
| 11:36.23 | Estel_ | could prepare custom cover for it, and do photos when it works in tandem with N900 :) |
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| 12:10.28 | kwtm | darn, setting the device name under Bluetooth Settings will change the $HOSTNAME but not $(uname -n) |
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| 12:13.53 | Hurrian | kwtm, reboot? |
| 12:15.02 | Hurrian | oh, wait, it needs to be changed in /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname |
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| 12:34.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | only hostname |
| 12:35.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~jrtools |
| 12:35.13 | infobot | i guess jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 12:39.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm not sure if you need a link from real local hostname back to 'localhost' in your etc/hosts. I never missed it so far |
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| 13:15.04 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer51, Hurrian: Thx for info. |
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| 13:57.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | YW |
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| 14:13.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | damn 2G is nice to battery but disconnects during phonecalls (though that's carrier's fault, as the modem would know to do concurrent data and voice via 2G) |
| 14:14.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | switching to 3G on inbound Call is no option either as it for sure rejects the inbound pending call |
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| 14:35.09 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer, 2G battery life on the N900 is good? |
| 14:35.30 | Hurrian | 4 days of almost idle gets from 100% to 15% |
| 14:35.44 | Hurrian | i'd hate to imagine battery life on constant 3G |
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| 14:38.13 | SpeedEvil | Hurrian: It's similar. |
| 14:38.21 | SpeedEvil | Hurrian: In areas of good signal. |
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| 14:44.28 | s2r2 | Hello. I've spent quite some time today trying to get into the university's eduroam network. Using wpa_supplicant, I've been able to do it, but it need a "peaplabel=0" config line; I have not yet found any way to set something similar with Maemo... Any ideas? |
| 14:44.54 | s2r2 | (It's not PAP-related, "my" eduroam home net uses PEAP/MSCHAPv2 |
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| 14:46.06 | [DarkGUNMAN] | afternoon |
| 14:46.19 | Hurrian | maemo doesn't use wpa supplicant, it uses some different shit Nokia made |
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| 14:47.08 | s2r2 | Hurrian: Indeed. ... Is there any complete documentation (or am I just lost if the GUI doesn't offer anything useful to this issue)? |
| 14:47.28 | Hurrian | you /could/ disable icd2 for when you're at uni, and manually use wpa_supplicant etc for eduroam |
| 14:48.01 | s2r2 | Hurrian: this sounds interesting. I didn't know I could use wpa_sup on it. |
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| 14:48.13 | [DarkGUNMAN] | is there any way to find out if a process launched osso-connectivity-ui-conndlgs ? |
| 14:48.13 | Hurrian | no idea how to stop icd2, it's rooted pretty firmly into maemo |
| 14:48.25 | s2r2 | completely switching to wpa_supp is not...uhm...advisable/possible? |
| 14:48.55 | Hurrian | s2r2, iirc cordia people (read: smoku) was using networkmanager (frontend for wpa_supplicant) in Hildon-desktop |
| 14:49.04 | [DarkGUNMAN] | still trying to find which process is trying to connect to internet by ietself |
| 14:49.06 | Hurrian | he may have some info about backporting it to maemo |
| 14:49.35 | s2r2 | Hurrian: interesting. I could switch to cordia, but I didn't have the impression that the n900 was a target |
| 14:50.04 | Hurrian | the applet is still missing btw, if you wanted to install it on Nemo |
| 14:50.09 | s2r2 | How about Mer? They probably use wpa_supp, too.... might just give it another try. |
| 14:50.13 | s2r2 | yes, Nemo, sorry. |
| 14:50.34 | Hurrian | s2r2, also an option, but iirc the wifi connection dialog in Settings doesn't have advanced options |
| 14:50.45 | Hurrian | you're going to have to make do with terminal commands |
| 14:51.13 | s2r2 | That's even better, I got the working configuration on the laptop anyways. :) |
| 14:51.23 | SpeedEvil | 'You need a _green_ speaker! |
| 14:51.25 | s2r2 | thanks. That's a good reason to give Nemo another try. Hadn't thought of it. |
| 14:51.29 | SpeedEvil | oop |
| 14:51.34 | StyXman | gpg --list-secret-keys |
| 14:51.37 | s2r2 | nice password |
| 14:51.59 | [DarkGUNMAN] | There is an N900 image of cordia available to test |
| 14:52.21 | Hurrian | [DarkGUNMAN], the cordia stack is still incomplete |
| 14:52.44 | Hurrian | it's got less packages than the M5 x86 SDK, which is a feat in itself to make hildon run totally bare |
| 14:52.53 | StyXman | s2r2: two screens :) |
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| 15:40.26 | maemobot | SpeedEvil, if You get so much draw on 2G, something is wrong, either with Your signal quality, or something is sucking power on device |
| 15:41.28 | Estel_ | my device sleeps in C4 mdoe for up to 97% of time, with 2G enabled |
| 15:41.38 | Estel_ | (92%-97%) |
| 15:41.52 | Estel_ | and, power usage is 4-7 mAh |
| 15:41.58 | Estel_ | mA/h |
| 15:42.00 | Estel_ | actually |
| 15:42.08 | Estel_ | of course, while idle |
| 15:42.23 | Estel_ | I would suggest You, to do powertop tests, SpeedEvil |
| 15:42.52 | Estel_ | or test pwoer usage via bnf (bq27200.sh 5 will give you higher result, as script itself is using 10-15 mA/h) |
| 15:43.33 | Estel_ | I'm starting fun side project - nothing revolutionary, just something for fun and that I'ven't made before - renevable energy pack for N900 |
| 15:43.51 | Estel_ | consisting of modular solar panels and small wind turbine |
| 15:44.59 | Estel_ | my aims are to recreate current given by wall charger in full soon and light wind (or strong wind and medium sun) |
| 15:46.02 | Estel_ | solar panels will be connected via elastic parts,mm allowing it to be small'n'portable to carry, and quite big after "deploying", with wind module on the middle |
| 15:46.42 | Estel_ | theoretically, heat dissicipation from black panels beneath should be enough to barely move ultra-light wind turbine, but of course, real wind make it create one |
| 15:46.48 | Estel_ | s/one/more/ |
| 15:46.56 | Estel_ | is curious, how it will turn out |
| 15:48.03 | Estel_ | I still wonder, how to handle charging - using N900 charging circut to charge batteries instead make us one circuiot less (LiIon charger), OTOH, dedicated charging circuit would make it not lsoe any exceeding energy during strong sun and heavy wind |
| 15:48.37 | Estel_ | On the third :P hand, using dedicated charging circuit = losses on transfer to batteries, and then, from batteries, into 5V to charge N900 via port, again... |
| 15:49.02 | Estel_ | ...unless backup batteries are usually dual-bl5J type. |
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| 15:50.21 | Estel_ | aim of the project - being ultra light and small while *not* deployed, allowing to carry it everywhere, + modular "deploy" lvl, allowing, for example, to clip it into backpack (not deploying all solar modules), or on tent, or just on grass/ground |
| 15:50.30 | Estel_ | boat deck, etc |
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| 16:05.27 | SpeedEvil | Estel_: It varies with location. 3 does not - here - cause much extra battery use. |
| 16:06.01 | SpeedEvil | For it idle. |
| 16:06.39 | Estel_ | strange, as 2G is - per design - less energy-hungry |
| 16:07.03 | Estel_ | of course, You're probably having little worse - than usual -signal |
| 16:07.03 | SpeedEvil | This is largely true when the modem is active.. |
| 16:07.10 | SpeedEvil | Umm - no. |
| 16:07.19 | SpeedEvil | The tests I did were with quite good signal. |
| 16:07.27 | SpeedEvil | Power consumption will go up with poor signal. |
| 16:07.56 | Estel_ | well, 4 days i ~80h |
| 16:08.05 | Estel_ | ~80*7 |
| 16:08.05 | infobot | 560 |
| 16:08.10 | SpeedEvil | So what? |
| 16:08.20 | SpeedEvil | I've seen ~6 days on 2G |
| 16:08.21 | Estel_ | it's ~half standard battery |
| 16:08.46 | Estel_ | so either something is eating Your power, or signal varies much for You. |
| 16:08.47 | SpeedEvil | And I measured about half a milliamp difference between 2 and 3G |
| 16:09.13 | Estel_ | sounds reasonable |
| 16:09.14 | rzs19 | any idea why swappiness is ignored? |
| 16:09.16 | SpeedEvil | 2G enabled was +2mA - 3G enabled was +2.5mA or so |
| 16:09.20 | Estel_ | rzs19, it isn't |
| 16:09.33 | SpeedEvil | or rather 2g/3g forced |
| 16:09.53 | SpeedEvil | So 1% of battery per day difference |
| 16:09.54 | rzs19 | Estel_: but its looks lik its ignored |
| 16:10.29 | rzs19 | perdefault, itsset to 100,, i set it to 0, or 10 and it still swapps. 50% are used |
| 16:10.30 | Estel_ | try setting 0 and enabling something very swap hungry, then try 100 and do it again |
| 16:10.36 | Estel_ | You will feel difference - painfuly |
| 16:10.52 | Estel_ | because it must swap ;) |
| 16:11.00 | Estel_ | see virtual memory assigned by programs |
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| 16:11.15 | Estel_ | by default, virtual - not private - memory goes to swap first, until needed |
| 16:11.23 | Estel_ | 256 MB is too low for keeping it in memory |
| 16:11.37 | Estel_ | swapiness control tendency to swap at it's own |
| 16:11.51 | Estel_ | set it to 30 and don't care ;) or even 25 |
| 16:12.08 | Estel_ | you will gain most benefits by moving swap to microSd card and disabling eMMC swap *totally* |
| 16:12.17 | Estel_ | + using correct swap-related settings for kernel |
| 16:12.19 | rzs19 | yeah i have played around with many values |
| 16:13.47 | rzs19 | i will move it to the microsd card. |
| 16:14.50 | rzs19 | i love my n900 and i don't want a killed emmc flash memmory. |
| 16:15.12 | rzs19 | maybe, its the last ussable phone :P |
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| 16:18.53 | rzs19 | maybe my fears about swap on flash os overexaggerated? ;) |
| 16:19.09 | rzs19 | sometimes, i wish, some devices could life for ever. |
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| 16:28.35 | Estel_ | flash is quite active, so it adds to wear for sure - although, I'm talking about it for performance reasons |
| 16:28.53 | Estel_ | swap on eMMc generate I/O conflicts between it and /opt I/O's |
| 16:32.21 | SpeedEvil | In principle you can monitot he badblocks on emmc |
| 16:32.27 | SpeedEvil | which will give reasonble warning |
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| 16:38.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | rzs19: that's why I recently ordered another 2 fesh ones |
| 16:38.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | as no device will live forever |
| 16:39.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | but havig some spare will mitigate that |
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| 17:49.32 | mase76 | hi! does anybody know, if openmediaplayer reads the gain tagged with mp3gain? |
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| 18:40.25 | DocScrutinizer06 | drive-by-asker? |
| 18:40.57 | DocScrutinizer06 | "bull's-eye, kick the throttle!" |
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| 20:07.59 | Atarii | anyone here sync their n900 with Google Contacts? |
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| 20:16.36 | int_ua | Atarii: that's an interesting question. Have you searched the forum? Please inform me if you find any info |
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| 20:20.48 | Atarii | int_ua it all worked fine until yesterday, now I get sync errors from MfE, just wondering it anyone else had it |
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| 20:29.04 | vi_ | Atarii: nfc |
| 20:29.27 | Atarii | nfc? |
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| 20:51.44 | Pali | jacekowski, hi |
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| 21:40.19 | vi_ | why I cannot remove status are orientation applett without removing mp-fremantle-community-pr? |
| 21:40.34 | vi_ | What if I do not want the stupid status area applett?? |
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| 21:44.50 | vi_ | apt-get remove status-area-orientationlock-applet |
| 21:44.50 | vi_ | Reading package lists... Done |
| 21:44.50 | vi_ | Building dependency tree |
| 21:44.50 | vi_ | Reading state information... Done |
| 21:44.50 | vi_ | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libcpaboutcssu |
| 21:44.53 | vi_ | Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. |
| 21:44.55 | vi_ | The following packages will be REMOVED: mp-fremantle-community-pr status-area-orientationlock-applet |
| 21:44.58 | vi_ | WTF |
| 21:46.00 | int_ua | vi_: mp-fremantle-community-pr is just a metapackage, IIRC |
| 21:46.49 | vi_ | so if I remove it no ill will occour? |
| 21:47.06 | vi_ | merlin1991: ping |
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| 21:48.04 | vi_ | well |
| 21:48.11 | vi_ | I hope my n900 will not explode. |
| 21:49.01 | MohammadAG | vi_, you could just remove the .desktop file for it |
| 21:49.07 | MohammadAG | /usr/share/hildon-status-menu |
| 21:49.09 | MohammadAG | err |
| 21:49.13 | vi_ | interesting... |
| 21:49.15 | MohammadAG | /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu |
| 21:49.29 | vi_ | although I have just apt-got it away. |
| 21:49.43 | vi_ | TY for your advice none the less. |
| 21:51.01 | MohammadAG | np house |
| 21:51.28 | vi_ | house? |
| 21:52.17 | MohammadAG | you're the one with the weird community awards application :p |
| 21:52.32 | vi_ | It was supposed to be funny. |
| 21:52.53 | freemangordon | it was :) |
| 21:52.55 | vi_ | The exact opposite of the whiny crap some people were coming out with. |
| 21:52.57 | vi_ | ty |
| 21:53.09 | vi_ | I await my n950. |
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| 21:57.22 | int_ua | what was the application mentioned?) |
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| 21:59.57 | int_ua | are there any apps like gcolor2? All sketch-like applications I have don't show hex color codes |
| 22:01.08 | merlin1991 | vi___: pong |
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| 22:23.56 | Atarii | finally fixed it, it was an IPv6 bug with Mail for Exchange! :( |
| 22:24.26 | Atarii | Damn IPv6 day |
| 22:24.41 | Atarii | if people have this issue again, please refer to here: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9943 |
| 22:24.41 | povbot_ | 04Bug 9943: MfE Wizard fails if exchange server hostname has IPv4 and IPv6 addresses |
| 22:25.54 | freemangordon | Atarii: could it be the same bug in libcurl3 which is causing FB widget / photo uploader to fail? |
| 22:26.32 | Atarii | re the chat in #maemo-ssu? |
| 22:26.38 | freemangordon | yep |
| 22:27.06 | Atarii | possibly, try hardcoding a IPv4 IP into dnsmasq.conf |
| 22:27.22 | ZogG | someone highlighted me? |
| 22:28.17 | freemangordon | could you try to install libcurl3 from extras-devel (without DNS restrictions) and report. If it is affecting more applications, we could raise the priority (whatever it means) |
| 22:28.29 | Atarii | ok |
| 22:28.44 | freemangordon | appologies for typos, he is really tired |
| 22:28.49 | Atarii | what's the steps to reproduce? is there already a bug report? |
| 22:29.01 | freemangordon | don't think so |
| 22:29.08 | freemangordon | step to reproduce? |
| 22:29.12 | freemangordon | what? |
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| 22:29.20 | Atarii | to reproduce the problem |
| 22:29.36 | freemangordon | with Mail for Exchange? |
| 22:30.00 | Atarii | i thought the FB bug? |
| 22:30.00 | freemangordon | Atarii: it is already confirmed that newer libcurl3 fixes FB |
| 22:30.15 | freemangordon | My question was if it fixes your problem too |
| 22:30.20 | Atarii | oh |
| 22:30.26 | Atarii | i was already on the newest version |
| 22:30.30 | Atarii | so i guess not |
| 22:30.31 | freemangordon | (the newer libcurl3) |
| 22:30.35 | Atarii | let me check exact version string |
| 22:30.35 | freemangordon | from extras-devel? |
| 22:30.52 | freemangordon | it was uploaded a week or so ago |
| 22:31.29 | Atarii | i guess i must have that |
| 22:31.39 | Atarii | extras-devel is enabled and no update available |
| 22:32.06 | freemangordon | nah, give me the output from dpkg -l | grep libcurl3 |
| 22:32.47 | Atarii | 7.18.2-8maemo6+0m5 |
| 22:33.34 | freemangordon | nah, that is the old one |
| 22:33.38 | Atarii | ah sorry |
| 22:33.44 | freemangordon | do apt-get install libcurl3 |
| 22:34.02 | Atarii | yea it says on latest |
| 22:34.05 | Atarii | let me check my repos |
| 22:34.46 | Atarii | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ - fremantle - free non-free ? |
| 22:35.03 | freemangordon | Atarii: NFC why, but that is the stock version |
| 22:35.31 | freemangordon | ii libcurl3 7.25.0-1maemo7 |
| 22:36.08 | freemangordon | anyway, gtg, will ask someone from cssu team to continue that |
| 22:36.58 | Atarii | ok :) |
| 22:37.19 | freemangordon | merlin1991, please ^^^ |
| 22:37.24 | freemangordon | bb |
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| 22:55.37 | Pali | some interesting NOLO log: http://pastebin.com/iXF2xcKd |
| 22:56.07 | Pali | NOLO has debug console |
| 22:57.05 | Pali | and also interesting is DEB package nolo_1.4.14.9+0m5_armel.deb and directory /usr/share/osso/boot/ |
| 22:57.40 | Pali | (deb package is from downloads.maemo.nokia.com) |
| 22:58.01 | Pali | there are a lot of NOLO versions and one is working in qemu |
| 22:58.09 | Pali | rx-51-s4.0-gp |
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| 23:02.18 | Pali | jacekowski, you can write me message if I'm online too (I will read it in irc log as your yesterday attempt to ping/catch me :) |
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| 23:14.38 | merlin1991 | [ 0.176] �ber-cool backlight fade-in took 139 ms |
| 23:14.40 | merlin1991 | dat rofl |
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| 23:46.47 | DocScrutinizer06 | old |
| 23:47.35 | DocScrutinizer06 | string /dev/mtd1|less |
| 23:50.16 | DocScrutinizer06 | anyway for sure more intriguing than to claim the optimum way to fix USB was soldering wires to testpoints under battery, as soldering components is allegedly too dangerous, but then suggesting to solder components to try and short choke to make ESD tranzorbs help protecting the PHY XP |
| 23:52.18 | DocScrutinizer06 | which will help as much against ESD as does connecting your water tubbing in your house to a wire burried under the house, for lightning surge |
| 23:55.17 | DocScrutinizer06 | s/mtd1/mtd0/. |
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