| 00:00.46 | chem|st | ^^ |
| 00:02.03 | psychologe | someday ago,i use apt-get upgrade some app and lib, after my phone can't reboot... |
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| 00:22.55 | luke-jr | Estel_: wait, are you on the Council? |
| 00:23.19 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, yes. |
| 00:23.23 | GeneralAntilles | Also: Hi. |
| 00:23.33 | luke-jr | hi |
| 00:23.43 | luke-jr | meh, that means I need to actually care what he thinks :/ |
| 00:23.53 | GeneralAntilles | Tread carefully! ;) |
| 00:25.17 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: well, he was stressing the importance of dummy-friendly documentation earlier <.< |
| 00:25.23 | luke-jr | for Gentoo/N900 |
| 00:28.24 | GeneralAntilles | You'd figure that userbase would have more than enough self-selection. |
| 00:28.39 | Hurrian | luke-jr, isn't emerging from source incredibly slow on gentoo? |
| 00:29.39 | luke-jr | Hurrian: I let it update overnight. Plus I provide binaries. |
| 00:29.43 | Hurrian | ah. |
| 00:29.56 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: yeah, I do. but if the Council is judging based on docs, I may have a problem XD |
| 00:29.59 | Hurrian | anyways, what have you got working? |
| 00:30.10 | GeneralAntilles | Well, then, doc up! ;) |
| 00:30.45 | Hurrian | if it's gentoo-specific, i may be able to fix up the documentation to be distro-agnostic |
| 00:30.46 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: yeah, just… I'd rather spend the time actually *doing* something :P |
| 00:31.03 | luke-jr | Hurrian: well, the thing is I don't have anything documented right now |
| 00:31.09 | GeneralAntilles | Don't denigrate the technical writing, you fiend! :P |
| 00:31.15 | GeneralAntilles | polishes his Wiki Star. |
| 00:31.27 | Hurrian | ah. |
| 00:31.38 | Hurrian | iirc you said you had most hardware working? |
| 00:31.41 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: in that context, it'd be better for someone skilled in technical writing (ie, not me) to do it <.< |
| 00:31.49 | luke-jr | Hurrian: the core hardware, at least |
| 00:32.27 | luke-jr | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-May/005339.html <-- most detailed status :p |
| 00:32.43 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 00:32.47 | luke-jr | I thought i went into more detail there |
| 00:32.54 | Hurrian | luke-jr, i assume that means core system + watchdog program + maemo/mer kernel |
| 00:33.25 | luke-jr | Hurrian: + GPRS with network integration |
| 00:33.26 | luke-jr | + SMS |
| 00:33.32 | luke-jr | + KDE |
| 00:33.39 | luke-jr | cameras |
| 00:33.44 | Hurrian | nice, nice. |
| 00:33.55 | luke-jr | audio out works, but not safe yet (need a highpass filter finished) |
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| 00:34.06 | Hurrian | the cameras need a special insmod sequence to register the v4l2 device, right? |
| 00:34.14 | luke-jr | I don't think so O.o |
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| 00:34.54 | luke-jr | I'm mostly focussed on getting voice calls going (with an ALSA driver for the phone audio), but I'm pretty sure when I did cameras they just showed up on boot |
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| 00:36.51 | luke-jr | ponders if he can/should throw the Gentoo docs on the Maemo wiki <.< |
| 00:37.00 | luke-jr | Gitorious wiki kinda sucks |
| 00:37.18 | Hurrian | definitely interesting work towards building a linux desktop base system config. |
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| 08:19.22 | eddyb | N900 |
| 08:19.35 | eddyb | Y U NO LET ME RUN ON USB-ONLY? |
| 08:19.44 | kerio | cuz it's not possible |
| 08:20.05 | kerio | tx bursts can take 2As, the fastcharger gives at most 1.1 |
| 08:20.26 | eddyb | what tx bursts? |
| 08:20.43 | kerio | gsm/umts radio |
| 08:21.20 | eddyb | I don't care about that, put it in offline mode |
| 08:21.34 | kerio | then it kinda works |
| 08:21.34 | kerio | ish |
| 08:21.40 | kerio | stop the bme |
| 08:22.17 | eddyb | why isn't it working in uboot? |
| 08:23.18 | eddyb | I'm pretty sure that doesn't use 3G for anything *trollface* |
| 08:25.28 | eddyb | kerio: with bluetooth/*G/wifi disabled with an applet, it now takes a second to shut down after switching to USB |
| 08:26.24 | eddyb | kerio: oh, I was browsing on the wiki, and I now know what BME is /facepalm |
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| 08:32.53 | eddyb | the N900 is annoying |
| 08:33.54 | eddyb | so, if it's off, I can't really boot it when it's charging, it vibrates every minute, and if it's connected to the laptop, I can see that when it vibrates, it enables a strange "firmware update" device for a couple of seconds |
| 08:35.06 | robbiethe1st | Something's screwy with it |
| 08:35.17 | robbiethe1st | It's in a boot-loop when in charging-mode |
| 08:35.45 | robbiethe1st | it /should/ vibrate, show a dark nokia logo, and then appear to be off for the remainder of the charging period |
| 08:36.04 | eddyb | it somehow manages to do that in a loop |
| 08:36.26 | robbiethe1st | Yeah, sounds like a crash to me; something like DSME rebooting the machine when in that mode |
| 08:37.19 | eddyb | kerio: offline-mode, no bme, and without battery: works fine for about ten seconds, then the screen fades out, the backlight is still on, the led is constant orange, and it doesn't look like anything is running |
| 08:37.41 | eddyb | :( |
| 08:38.12 | robbiethe1st | Turn off the screen before removing the battery? |
| 08:38.42 | eddyb | oh, so that's another power-whore? |
| 08:38.49 | eddyb | damn |
| 08:38.58 | robbiethe1st | Well, the backlight certainly is |
| 08:39.08 | robbiethe1st | It's like... more than any other component |
| 08:39.28 | eddyb | damn cheap charger |
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| 08:39.49 | robbiethe1st | Either way, charging with no battery should be only for use while swapping out the battery, not for running |
| 08:40.11 | robbiethe1st | If for no other reason than the charger chip will only charge for max. 1 hr before shutting off without BME there |
| 08:40.11 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, do you know some small dhcp v6 client? |
| 08:40.13 | eddyb | I wonder how many Amps my laptop can provide |
| 08:40.17 | Pali | something for n900 |
| 08:40.36 | robbiethe1st | eddyb, 500mA |
| 08:40.37 | eddyb | robbiethe1st: why can't it run like the beagleboard, without a battery? |
| 08:40.47 | robbiethe1st | Cause it's not designed for it |
| 08:41.06 | eddyb | I don't think it would be that hard |
| 08:41.14 | Pali | I looked into extras repository, but there is none dhcp v6 client |
| 08:41.35 | robbiethe1st | You could probably build a 3.5-4V power supply, hook it up to a dummy battery connector, replace the battery with that and it'd run fine |
| 08:41.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: no, sorry |
| 08:41.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | eddyb: it IS hard |
| 08:42.04 | eddyb | I mean, the beagle-board, IIRC, can run on standard USB power from a computer |
| 08:42.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | robbiethe1st: nope, not that easy |
| 08:42.18 | robbiethe1st | why not? |
| 08:42.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | you need extremely thick cables and a huge capacitor |
| 08:43.06 | robbiethe1st | for 500mA or less? Capacitor, relatively large, yeah, but... |
| 08:43.20 | eddyb | it could dim or even stop the damn backlit |
| 08:43.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | impedance of "battery" has to be low, to level the surges from modem |
| 08:43.40 | eddyb | I only need it to boot something from uboot with the battery taken out, so I can get some UART output |
| 08:44.37 | robbiethe1st | Just make sure your switching PS unit is designed for very quick response and have a decent capacitor, run it at the high end of the voltage range... |
| 08:44.50 | Pali | is there any list of known dhcp v6 clients? |
| 08:45.31 | eddyb | you know what? |
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| 08:45.39 | eddyb | we need a battery extender |
| 08:46.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh, kerio already explained all this |
| 08:46.16 | eddyb | then again, it's gonna be hard to craft one |
| 08:46.51 | eddyb | (like, have the battery connected, but not directly) |
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| 08:48.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | btw I run the device for several hours without battery ;-) |
| 08:49.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~hotswap |
| 08:49.09 | infobot | i heard hotswap is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734 |
| 08:49.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | but that's not possible for booting, as NOLO will refuse to boot when battery missing |
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| 09:10.25 | eddyb | mkay |
| 09:10.42 | eddyb | I just realized my arduino "robot" has an infrared receiver |
| 09:11.35 | eddyb | now, if it's even the same wavelength as the N900, I don't know |
| 09:11.44 | eddyb | it should be, since the N900 can work with remotes |
| 09:13.56 | eddyb | I'm hoping one of the three UARTs is directly connected to the IR |
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| 11:58.53 | non343 | can anyone help me with this? paste: http://cur.lv/jao |
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| 12:03.30 | joga | ... |
| 12:03.34 | joga | non343 you human? |
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| 12:09.06 | Hurrian | >redirects |
| 12:09.14 | Hurrian | noooope. ban time. |
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| 12:10.32 | chem|st | X-Fade: DocScrutinizer51 non343 ban pls |
| 12:12.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | hm? |
| 12:12.40 | non343 | can anyone help me with this? paste: http://cur.lv/jao |
| 12:12.43 | non343 | yes i am human |
| 12:13.05 | chem|st | non343: ehrm it redirects to a bitcoin page... |
| 12:13.18 | non343 | no it doesnt |
| 12:13.20 | chem|st | pls elaborate |
| 12:14.16 | jacekowski | non343: stop spamming |
| 12:14.24 | jacekowski | non343: and never come back |
| 12:14.34 | jacekowski | non343: we hate people like you |
| 12:14.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | the link is shit |
| 12:14.42 | Hurrian | >shorten links and earn bitcoins |
| 12:14.46 | Hurrian | guise, dont click on it |
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| 12:15.19 | chem|st | is searching for his banHAMMER but cannot find it, bets DocScrutinizer51 got it and never gave it back |
| 12:15.25 | Hurrian | also, it links to reddit. you know the implications. |
| 12:15.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | non343: please doublecheck before you paste links here |
| 12:15.39 | vldcnst | N900, never overclocked, seeing some weird video artefacts> http://cdn-static.com/i/HytjYKhO.png - is my N900 dying? |
| 12:16.04 | jacekowski | vldcnst: try flashing it |
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| 12:16.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm willing to assume you plannewd to paste a shorted link to a page with your problem |
| 12:16.28 | Hurrian | vldcnst, disable WSEGL_HWSync=1 |
| 12:16.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | don"t do that |
| 12:16.38 | Hurrian | disable smartreflex too |
| 12:16.45 | vldcnst | jacekowski: any reason for a reflash? I mean, any idea what caused this? |
| 12:16.47 | non343 | no it doesnt |
| 12:16.53 | non343 | can anyone help me with this? paste: http://cur.lv/jao |
| 12:17.06 | chem|st | its a bot I guess |
| 12:17.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | check your links before pasting! do not use short URLs |
| 12:17.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | damn |
| 12:17.26 | chem|st | no what is 4 plus 7 |
| 12:17.26 | jacekowski | if it were up to me he would have ban by now |
| 12:17.36 | chem|st | non343: what is 4 plus 7 |
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| 12:17.59 | DocScrutinizer | what's the name? |
| 12:18.06 | chem|st | non343 |
| 12:18.09 | non343 | 11 |
| 12:18.13 | DocScrutinizer | non343: you get banned |
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| 12:18.30 | chem|st | non343: proper link or we assume you are a bot and you will be gone! |
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| 12:19.00 | *** mode/#maemo [+b non343!*@*] by DocScrutinizer |
| 12:19.02 | *** kick/#maemo [non343!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg] by DocScrutinizer (WTF?!) |
| 12:19.05 | Hurrian | vldcnst, do you have WSEGL_HWSync=1 and/or smartreflex enabled? |
| 12:19.15 | DocScrutinizer | dang, this was a gym |
| 12:19.16 | Hurrian | those may occasionally cause that problem |
| 12:19.17 | vldcnst | Hurrian: smartreflex is off, I don't know how to disable WSEGL (never touched that) |
| 12:19.21 | Hurrian | ah |
| 12:19.26 | Hurrian | does it persist after a reboot? |
| 12:19.30 | DocScrutinizer | laptop stacked under and behind another machine |
| 12:19.33 | vldcnst | usually no, but lately yes. |
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| 12:19.53 | chem|st | a bad flexcable maybe |
| 12:20.06 | Hurrian | occurs in the same place with same pattern? |
| 12:20.33 | vldcnst | Yup, when starting an app |
| 12:20.55 | vldcnst | after a reboot the pattern/place changes |
| 12:21.22 | Hurrian | ah, it's probably video memory corruption. |
| 12:21.28 | Hurrian | it does happen to some N900s |
| 12:21.34 | Hurrian | what kernel are you on right now? |
| 12:21.50 | vldcnst | power50 |
| 12:22.34 | vldcnst | as far as I can tell, it only appears on the top menu bar |
| 12:23.08 | Hurrian | nah, it happens with PNGs with alpha translucency |
| 12:23.12 | vldcnst | oh. |
| 12:23.20 | Hurrian | it can happen to the icons in the launcher too |
| 12:23.37 | vldcnst | any fix? |
| 12:23.51 | Hurrian | shutdown, pull battery for 5 mins, boot |
| 12:24.23 | vldcnst | like I said, that used to work but lately it doesn't |
| 12:24.29 | vldcnst | or perhaps I'm unlucky |
| 12:24.41 | Hurrian | keep rebooting, it's a known bug. |
| 12:24.52 | Hurrian | i'm pretty damn sure Nemo isn't affected |
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| 12:26.54 | vldcnst | cool, thanks |
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| 12:27.11 | eddyb | btw |
| 12:27.24 | eddyb | the minified link with that bitcoin thing minifier |
| 12:27.26 | eddyb | was reddit.com |
| 12:27.32 | eddyb | not an actual pastebin link |
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| 12:28.56 | Hurrian | eddyb, noticed that. it would be a good idea if nobody clicked on it, as that probably gives em monies |
| 12:29.38 | eddyb | wonders if it can be abused to get bitcoins |
| 12:30.15 | eddyb | I once managed to generate points on some site, but I found out it was fake afterwards |
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| 14:08.46 | Sicelo | when do the community awards end? |
| 14:10.35 | pronto | tomorrow |
| 14:10.43 | Sicelo | great |
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| 14:17.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | \o/ |
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| 14:53.17 | chem|st | Sicelo: last week of june |
| 14:53.29 | chem|st | or did something change? |
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| 15:27.27 | szopin | does anybody know which speed option in h-e-n would be suitable for flashing N900 with another one? |
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| 15:29.14 | Sicelo | HIgh speed. don't mount |
| 15:29.30 | szopin | thanks |
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| 15:30.11 | szopin | enumerate after yellow light shows up? |
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| 15:33.06 | Sicelo | not sure, but sounds reasonable. you must, of course, have flasher ready |
| 15:34.08 | szopin | Yeah, seems to work, but so far no suitable device found |
| 15:34.33 | eddyb | so... |
| 15:34.38 | szopin | might need to switch batteries, doesn't want to boot up in flashing state |
| 15:35.30 | eddyb | is there any way to get the UART TX pin from the pads under the battery, with the battery in place? |
| 15:36.13 | eddyb | I can kinda get a wire from there, but it's not really staying on top of the pad when I place the battery back |
| 15:36.23 | Sicelo | win 24 |
| 15:36.37 | eddyb | ? |
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| 15:37.32 | Sicelo | wrong window |
| 15:38.48 | szopin | bit of cello tape maybe? |
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| 15:40.18 | eddyb | szopin: not sure if I can get any kind of tape in there to hold the wire |
| 15:40.50 | eddyb | I was thinking something waxy might be better |
| 15:40.55 | szopin | placing the battery is very likely to move it |
| 15:41.07 | szopin | maybe a tine piece of bluetack |
| 15:41.09 | eddyb | yepp, is very sure to move it |
| 15:41.15 | szopin | tiny* |
| 15:42.30 | freemangordon | Pali, pong |
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| 15:46.15 | eddyb | I need freaking nanotubes... |
| 15:47.13 | szopin | anyone has experience with wxWidgets on maemo? |
| 15:52.54 | eddyb | I'll end up soldering this stuff without any tools |
| 15:53.39 | szopin | cello tape a tiny copper wire (without coating)? |
| 15:53.57 | szopin | just so inserting battery will not move it |
| 15:54.11 | eddyb | I don't have anything that tiny |
| 15:54.30 | szopin | just cut some usual wire and pull one strand |
| 15:54.48 | eddyb | and the pads are inset about 2mm, placing anything in there is hard |
| 15:55.00 | eddyb | szopin: wait, what? |
| 15:55.11 | szopin | yeah, mcgyver would use matches, but... |
| 15:55.11 | eddyb | the battery is sitting on metal |
| 15:55.27 | szopin | oh, let me have another look |
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| 15:55.55 | eddyb | I guess it wouldn't be that hard if that wasn't shielded :P |
| 15:56.10 | szopin | yeah, first coating of cello tape for isolation, then tiny wire, then second layer |
| 15:56.46 | szopin | still doesn't guarantee you'll be connecting to the right one though |
| 15:57.03 | eddyb | I know which pad is the one I want, the problem is fixating this |
| 15:57.25 | szopin | just cover the other ones and place a wide end there |
| 15:58.15 | Sicelo | cut a small plastic block to fill the whole space. make a hole in it at the right place & get your wire in there |
| 15:58.18 | Sicelo | :\ |
| 15:58.39 | szopin | :) |
| 16:02.05 | Sicelo | this will allow you to get more than one pin, if you wish |
| 16:05.05 | eddyb | that's why I need to get myself some tools and stuff |
| 16:05.39 | eddyb | now, how can I read an USB tty at a certain bitrate? |
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| 16:07.06 | szopin | ? those pins under battery are second usb??? |
| 16:08.08 | Sicelo | no. same as the other one |
| 16:08.25 | eddyb | 1. the USB you can see is actually the fourth USB (and the only one that's dual-mode, the rest are host-only) 2. there's an UART TX pin under there |
| 16:08.27 | Sicelo | except, iirc, they don't have protection |
| 16:08.43 | eddyb | and I want to use my arduino board to read the serial output |
| 16:09.30 | Sicelo | hmm |
| 16:09.57 | szopin | nice |
| 16:10.00 | Sicelo | ~usb-fix |
| 16:10.00 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 16:12.02 | eddyb | fucking battery |
| 16:13.29 | szopin | are these there from testing times? you could maybe build a base around it, providing same voltage as battery and get clear access to those |
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| 16:20.05 | eddyb | maybe it's connected now |
| 16:21.07 | szopin | gl |
| 16:24.05 | eddyb | maybe it's not, since I set the right baud and the laptop is still not receiving |
| 16:24.09 | eddyb | :( |
| 16:25.43 | eddyb | I might go play minecraft, this is too annoying |
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| 16:58.07 | fasta | Does Whatsapp for the n900 exist? |
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| 17:00.29 | Sicelo | No |
| 17:00.41 | joga | http://blog.gsmarena.com/unofficial-whatsapp-for-nokia-n9-and-n900-in-the-works/ |
| 17:02.01 | joga | so...maybe some day |
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| 17:36.19 | vi_ | Jaffa: good afternoon |
| 17:36.52 | vi_ | Is this relvent to our interests? |
| 17:36.53 | vi_ | http://linux-howto-guide.blogspot.co.uk/2009/10/increase-usb-flash-drive-write-speed.html |
| 17:38.38 | vi_ | Also, how do I fsck rootfs? |
| 17:38.41 | vi_ | ... |
| 17:38.46 | vi_ | WHERE is it? |
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| 17:39.11 | NIN101 | does ubifs even have fsck? |
| 17:39.20 | eddyb | ubi? |
| 17:39.30 | vi_ | NIN101: I do not know. I am very ignorant about ubifs |
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| 17:42.58 | Estel_ | vi_, it dodesn't |
| 17:43.11 | Estel_ | because it doesn't get fcked like ext |
| 17:43.40 | Estel_ | if Your rootfs is corrupted, it's rather some file modified bny hand |
| 17:43.45 | Estel_ | ...wrong package |
| 17:43.48 | Estel_ | or whatever |
| 17:44.08 | Estel_ | generally, rootfs is super-prone to filesystem corruption |
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| 17:44.28 | Estel_ | (but not to fcked file content, that why backupmenu backups help) |
| 17:44.44 | Estel_ | eddyb, little question |
| 17:45.20 | eddyb | hmm? |
| 17:45.31 | Estel_ | if Youw know already - and You apparently know - that pads from beneath battery are same d+ and d- that main usb, why using those... |
| 17:45.41 | Estel_ | instead of "regular" usb socket? |
| 17:46.10 | Estel_ | arduino connected to usb and ou want to debug something via laptop connected paralelly? |
| 17:46.32 | eddyb | :| |
| 17:46.37 | eddyb | I'm not using the USB |
| 17:46.46 | Estel_ | roger that |
| 17:46.57 | Estel_ | but, be careful about uart |
| 17:47.11 | Estel_ | it's super fragile re voltage applied |
| 17:47.25 | eddyb | I need the UART output from the N900 |
| 17:47.26 | Estel_ | even 0.2 above desigbned voltage tends to fry it |
| 17:47.34 | Estel_ | it's documented somewhere on wiki |
| 17:47.39 | Estel_ | ok, two possible ways |
| 17:47.42 | eddyb | not the input, mind you |
| 17:47.46 | Estel_ | less elegant, but super easy |
| 17:47.57 | Estel_ | solder cable to pad. easy to solder and de-solder |
| 17:48.08 | Estel_ | more elegant, require little effort: |
| 17:48.13 | eddyb | but don't bother, I dropped that already |
| 17:48.37 | Estel_ | dissaseble some cheap battery, and usi it pins to make "extender" for battery |
| 17:48.45 | Estel_ | You put extender only on N900 |
| 17:48.46 | eddyb | some things are better left buried |
| 17:48.54 | Estel_ | connected to any ion outside |
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| 17:49.02 | Estel_ | I see. |
| 17:49.10 | Estel_ | btw what You wanted to do with that? |
| 17:49.15 | Estel_ | I'm noob re uart on N900 |
| 17:49.31 | Estel_ | maybe it's worth pursuit, after all. what was the plan? |
| 17:49.44 | eddyb | I wanted to get a defunct hobby OS project's kernel running on the N900 |
| 17:50.03 | Estel_ | O_o |
| 17:50.11 | Estel_ | and why need uart for that? |
| 17:50.13 | eddyb | the build is meant for the original beagle-board, and the only output simple enough to not fail is the UART |
| 17:50.16 | vi_ | fires up the popcorn machine. |
| 17:50.36 | Estel_ | I see, somehow |
| 17:50.45 | vi_ | You can never have to many OS s |
| 17:50.46 | eddyb | it's the only debug option I have |
| 17:50.51 | Estel_ | well, flashing it normally wouldn't work? |
| 17:51.07 | eddyb | Estel_: I need the debug output |
| 17:51.11 | Estel_ | understood |
| 17:51.24 | Estel_ | as i said I don't know what uart does (yet) |
| 17:51.33 | Estel_ | so, battery extender seems fine |
| 17:51.35 | Estel_ | BTW |
| 17:51.43 | Estel_ | ultra cheap jtag cables for N900 |
| 17:51.44 | eddyb | it's serial I/O |
| 17:51.59 | Estel_ | contain pins for our pads |
| 17:52.00 | vi_ | I think the r00t|home user on this chanel put a logic analyser on the UART. |
| 17:52.09 | Estel_ | just attaching mentioned "battry extender"* to it |
| 17:52.13 | Estel_ | = fake battery |
| 17:52.19 | vi_ | He s the one who figured out the pads under the battery |
| 17:52.20 | Estel_ | (using real ion) |
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| 17:52.32 | eddyb | I don't have the tools to solder/etc. |
| 17:52.37 | Estel_ | jacekowski did some things with it too |
| 17:52.42 | vi_ | eddyb: then you are pretty much fooked then |
| 17:52.49 | Estel_ | no soldering iron, no fun :P |
| 17:53.03 | Estel_ | although, still achievable without |
| 17:53.03 | vi_ | eddyb: unless you can get hold of a super rare n900 developer harness. |
| 17:53.13 | eddyb | vi_: as I'm already in the "oh, screw it, working on a perfect OS is not my thing" state |
| 17:53.22 | Estel_ | well, dissasembling cheap bl-5j can be done with bare hands |
| 17:53.39 | Estel_ | then, tying wires around flat wires... :P |
| 17:53.46 | Estel_ | mcgyver would be pleased |
| 17:53.51 | Estel_ | not very reliable, though |
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| 17:54.18 | Estel_ | lols at WielkiTost name |
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| 17:55.14 | Estel_ | aha! so wielkitost as iactually DOS! |
| 17:55.19 | Estel_ | always suspected that |
| 17:55.26 | Estel_ | since times of win 3.1 |
| 17:55.31 | Estel_ | :P |
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| 17:56.08 | Estel_ | I'm afraid to talk to him, as he can disco again. |
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| 18:14.09 | jacekowski | ehhh |
| 18:14.14 | jacekowski | it was me |
| 18:14.48 | HRH_H_Crab | Estel_: slightly offtopic question, but your wrt54gl, do you run openwrt on that? |
| 18:18.05 | Estel_ | HRH_H_Crab, currently, Tomato... I know openWRT got more possibilities and probably will switch one day |
| 18:18.27 | HRH_H_Crab | i just managed to "unbrick" mine this afternoon. |
| 18:18.38 | HRH_H_Crab | i actually think i just managed to tftp a firmware that worked. |
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| 18:18.56 | HRH_H_Crab | i think i need to build a custom firmware though, so it has some space for some cool stuff. |
| 18:19.00 | Estel_ | one day will try OpenWRT with latest web based gui, as possibility for easy management *not*only for me via command line is essential |
| 18:19.02 | HRH_H_Crab | thats my next project. |
| 18:19.13 | HRH_H_Crab | the gui is lovely. |
| 18:19.25 | HRH_H_Crab | just means that there isnt much space |
| 18:19.34 | Estel_ | HRH_H_Crab, on wrt54GL You won't scavenge much space, soldering sd card or usb port is a must |
| 18:19.43 | HRH_H_Crab | hmmm. |
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| 18:19.47 | Estel_ | well, I had 900 KB left from 4MB chip |
| 18:19.55 | Estel_ | and tried 70 kb dircproxy |
| 18:20.01 | HRH_H_Crab | maybe i should get a soldering iron and try that then. |
| 18:20.12 | HRH_H_Crab | but im not really much of a hardware hacker. |
| 18:20.15 | Estel_ | ...but it turned out that, to work properly, I need 890 kb update ulibc :P |
| 18:20.24 | Estel_ | HRH_H_Crab, sd card mod is super easy |
| 18:20.30 | HRH_H_Crab | tbh though, if i can manage that, |
| 18:20.34 | HRH_H_Crab | i might use debian instead! |
| 18:20.46 | Estel_ | usb too, but it require making (easysecondary board with few components added, so it's more complicated |
| 18:21.03 | Estel_ | yea, but isn't debian overkill for hardware with 200 mhz and 16 mb ram! |
| 18:21.08 | Estel_ | s/!/?/ |
| 18:21.21 | eddyb | lol |
| 18:21.23 | Estel_ | openwrt with optware sounds like better suited |
| 18:21.27 | eddyb | s/o/u/ |
| 18:21.38 | eddyb | s/u/o |
| 18:21.41 | eddyb | s/u/o/ |
| 18:21.53 | Estel_ | oho, eddyb discovered infobot's sed :P |
| 18:22.00 | HRH_H_Crab | Estel_: im running debian on my nslu2s... |
| 18:22.05 | HRH_H_Crab | they arent much better |
| 18:22.08 | Estel_ | well |
| 18:22.10 | eddyb | s/o/u/ |
| 18:22.11 | Estel_ | sounds nice |
| 18:22.11 | HRH_H_Crab | works very nicely indeed. |
| 18:22.24 | Estel_ | wait a second, I'll fire up desktops IRC |
| 18:22.46 | eddyb | debian sucks for embedded |
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| 18:23.47 | HRH_H_Crab | http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=228 |
| 18:23.48 | HRH_H_Crab | heh |
| 18:23.51 | HRH_H_Crab | that sounds fun |
| 18:25.17 | Estel_ | yea, but I'm afraid You will end up re-doing what optware did already, = |
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| 18:25.25 | Estel_ | ...stripping down packages to function properly |
| 18:25.36 | Estel_ | and modifying them to suit specific WRT54gl use case |
| 18:25.56 | Estel_ | something like using debian apckage son N900 and modyfing it to fit gui/hardware ;) |
| 18:26.02 | Estel_ | if someone did it already, why to re-do it |
| 18:26.06 | Estel_ | that why i preffe rusing optware |
| 18:26.23 | Estel_ | BTw, have You used tomato on wrt54gl? how do you compare it with optware re gui-only management? |
| 18:26.34 | HRH_H_Crab | ive not used tomato |
| 18:26.38 | Estel_ | I see |
| 18:26.51 | Estel_ | well, tomato is, generally, gui only (is use temrinal via ssh and can do things from there, but...) |
| 18:26.55 | HRH_H_Crab | when i did use my wrt54gl i only used it as a switch / wireless ap |
| 18:27.03 | HRH_H_Crab | its long since been replaced by an airport |
| 18:27.06 | Estel_ | so I would happily switch to openwrt with gui, so family cna use guii |
| 18:27.13 | Estel_ | s/guii/gui/ |
| 18:27.18 | HRH_H_Crab | i used to configure it by commandline |
| 18:27.24 | Estel_ | and me also, when need to do something fast... And tyerminal for real stuff |
| 18:27.36 | HRH_H_Crab | i wanted to use ipv6 since im lucky enough to have native ipv6 at home, |
| 18:27.40 | HRH_H_Crab | and i wanted a 2.6 kernel |
| 18:27.47 | HRH_H_Crab | i found that that made the wrt54gl unstable |
| 18:27.49 | Estel_ | I see. Well, tomato also have 2.6 kernel:p |
| 18:27.53 | HRH_H_Crab | it would reboot after a few days |
| 18:27.57 | Estel_ | hm |
| 18:28.06 | Estel_ | well, I use wrt54gl as main home router/AP |
| 18:28.07 | HRH_H_Crab | so the first thing i did was disable luci (the web gui) and uhttpd |
| 18:28.23 | HRH_H_Crab | in the hope that that would make it a bit more stable and id manage a week of uptime... |
| 18:28.25 | Estel_ | luci amd eit unstable?0_o |
| 18:28.26 | HRH_H_Crab | it never did. |
| 18:28.36 | HRH_H_Crab | i dont think the web interface had anything to do with it. |
| 18:28.46 | HRH_H_Crab | i think 2.6 is dodgy on openwrt |
| 18:28.46 | Estel_ | well, My wrt54gl with tomato *never* ever reboot on it's own. During so many years usage |
| 18:28.56 | HRH_H_Crab | im sure ive read somewhere that if you want stability stick to 2.4 |
| 18:29.11 | Estel_ | I use 2.4... |
| 18:29.15 | HRH_H_Crab | yes... |
| 18:29.20 | HRH_H_Crab | i think this is the key. |
| 18:29.21 | Estel_ | so can't say about stability with openwrt |
| 18:29.26 | Estel_ | tfu |
| 18:29.31 | Estel_ | about stability with tomato and 2.6 |
| 18:29.46 | Estel_ | but but, I haven't seen complains about tomato and 2.6 |
| 18:29.48 | HRH_H_Crab | i think with the 2.4 openwrt you should (hopefully) enjoy the same stability you enjoy with tomato. |
| 18:29.52 | Estel_ | and can't belive that openwrt would be inferior |
| 18:30.11 | Estel_ | BTW, how much jffs space You've left with openwrt? |
| 18:30.18 | Estel_ | installed? |
| 18:30.20 | kwtm | Hi. How do I change the $HOSTNAME on my N900? I have two and don't want them clashing |
| 18:30.21 | Estel_ | (with luci) |
| 18:30.23 | HRH_H_Crab | i think ive got about 740k |
| 18:30.35 | Estel_ | with 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:30.58 | Estel_ | it should be more with 2.4 |
| 18:31.30 | Estel_ | as for soldering card, just be sure to find proper tutorial for wrt54gl, and You'll be fine |
| 18:31.52 | Estel_ | it's a matter fo soldering few cables |
| 18:32.19 | Estel_ | anyway, You mayw ant to add sd card reade (only part that hold card, actually) or use floppy disk flex |
| 18:32.33 | Estel_ | it's prot have same pin overlay as sd card |
| 18:32.45 | Estel_ | = you can stick sd card to floppy flex plug :p |
| 18:32.47 | HRH_H_Crab | Estel_: hang on |
| 18:32.49 | HRH_H_Crab | let me boot it |
| 18:32.50 | Estel_ | and use same cables |
| 18:32.53 | HRH_H_Crab | and i will tell you exactly... |
| 18:32.56 | Estel_ | nods |
| 18:34.46 | kwtm | wups, I should say how do I change the result of $(uname -n) ? |
| 18:35.30 | Estel_ | kwtm, device name in bluetooth settings |
| 18:35.36 | Estel_ | changing it change that AFAIK |
| 18:35.52 | Estel_ | HRH_H_Crab, BTw, how You debricked it? |
| 18:35.54 | Estel_ | using jtag? |
| 18:36.43 | kwtm | Estel_: Thx |
| 18:37.48 | kwtm | Estel_: Takes effect after reboot, I guess? |
| 18:38.03 | HRH_H_Crab | Free space: 77% (740.00 KB) |
| 18:38.12 | HRH_H_Crab | Estel_: no |
| 18:38.24 | HRH_H_Crab | im not sure if i ever bricked it |
| 18:38.36 | HRH_H_Crab | i tried upgrading the firmware from the commandline |
| 18:38.43 | HRH_H_Crab | to the latest version of trunk |
| 18:38.55 | HRH_H_Crab | and after it rebooted i couldnt do anything with it. |
| 18:39.04 | HRH_H_Crab | anyway, i left it for a month or so |
| 18:39.19 | HRH_H_Crab | and today i thought i would have a play and i realised this time i could suddenly ping it. |
| 18:39.31 | HRH_H_Crab | so i just farted around tftping various firmwares. |
| 18:39.42 | HRH_H_Crab | i just made sure the thing was unplugged, |
| 18:39.55 | HRH_H_Crab | tftp to 192.168.1.1 |
| 18:39.58 | HRH_H_Crab | mode to binary |
| 18:40.16 | HRH_H_Crab | and then "put <firmware>" |
| 18:40.21 | HRH_H_Crab | ofc that failed as the router wasnt on |
| 18:40.24 | HRH_H_Crab | but then i turned it on |
| 18:40.31 | HRH_H_Crab | and kept hammering away until it accepted it |
| 18:40.36 | HRH_H_Crab | waited for it to reboot and i was in |
| 18:40.43 | HRH_H_Crab | but i had to go back to 2.4 |
| 18:40.54 | HRH_H_Crab | with a stable firmware |
| 18:41.03 | HRH_H_Crab | then i upgraded to the 2.6 from luci |
| 18:41.47 | HRH_H_Crab | something strange has happened though |
| 18:41.56 | HRH_H_Crab | when i was playing earlier im sure the dmz light was on |
| 18:41.58 | HRH_H_Crab | and ssh was working |
| 18:42.09 | HRH_H_Crab | just now i rebooted and tried to ssh and it wouldnt accept the connection |
| 18:42.13 | HRH_H_Crab | and dmz lamp was off |
| 18:42.18 | HRH_H_Crab | i thought it was bricked again |
| 18:42.22 | HRH_H_Crab | but luci is working |
| 18:42.29 | HRH_H_Crab | so maybe mine is a bit "sick" |
| 18:44.35 | Estel_ | hm |
| 18:44.45 | Estel_ | when i bought mine, it was flashed with openwrt, during times when there was no luci |
| 18:44.58 | Estel_ | and i flashed it via telnet |
| 18:45.03 | Estel_ | but it isn't debricking, literally |
| 18:45.15 | Estel_ | maybe sometihng is disabled re Your ssh? |
| 18:45.27 | Estel_ | and possible to enable it via luci? |
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| 18:47.39 | HRH_H_Crab | luci thinks its running. |
| 18:47.50 | HRH_H_Crab | (ssh) |
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| 18:49.39 | eddyb | Estel_: O |
| 18:49.41 | eddyb | err |
| 18:49.47 | eddyb | I'm such a fucking idiot |
| 18:50.09 | Estel_ | don't tell like that, it's DocScrutinizer specialisation ;) |
| 18:50.28 | Estel_ | HRh, hm |
| 18:50.29 | eddyb | I didn't connect GND to my USB2serial thing |
| 18:50.36 | eddyb | only the signal line |
| 18:50.40 | Estel_ | eddyb, :D |
| 18:50.46 | HRH_H_Crab | Estel_: im flashin again |
| 18:50.47 | eddyb | no wonders it wasn't catching anything |
| 18:50.54 | HRH_H_Crab | this is the beauty of this thin |
| 18:50.58 | HRH_H_Crab | its just a toy to me. |
| 18:51.00 | Estel_ | eddyb, see, told ya it's worth further pursuit :P |
| 18:51.06 | HRH_H_Crab | i can just mess with it. |
| 18:51.11 | eddyb | man, and I had the wire fixed in there, and I took it out |
| 18:51.11 | Estel_ | HRH_H_Crab, nice :) |
| 18:51.13 | eddyb | DAMN |
| 18:51.28 | HRH_H_Crab | worse case scenario a fancy blue paperweight with devil horns |
| 18:54.06 | HRH_H_Crab | root@OpenWrt:~# uname -a |
| 18:54.06 | HRH_H_Crab | Linux OpenWrt 2.6.32.27 #5 Wed Dec 21 05:56:26 CET 2011 mips GNU/Linux |
| 18:54.10 | HRH_H_Crab | strange... |
| 18:54.24 | HRH_H_Crab | oh well |
| 18:54.28 | HRH_H_Crab | that fixed it... |
| 18:54.32 | HRH_H_Crab | (for the moment) |
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| 18:59.56 | Estel_ | nice :) |
| 19:00.09 | Estel_ | BTW, wrt54gl is kinda "unbrickable" |
| 19:00.14 | Estel_ | i.e. until you actuallym fry it... |
| 19:00.18 | Estel_ | it never becomes paperweight |
| 19:00.39 | Estel_ | and it's hard to fry it even using overclocking to 300 mhz (50%) |
| 19:00.43 | Estel_ | as it just shut down gently |
| 19:01.17 | Estel_ | BTW, if You ever need it, overlcocking to 250 mhz is super safe |
| 19:01.29 | Estel_ | and, after all, 1/4 more power |
| 19:01.36 | Estel_ | (in case you want debian there) |
| 19:01.48 | jacekowski | why would you want to run debian on an AP |
| 19:04.04 | Estel_ | jacekowski, canuse then, it's 20$ (with tax) full-fledged computer :P |
| 19:04.06 | Estel_ | but |
| 19:04.15 | jacekowski | can it run xbmc? |
| 19:04.16 | Estel_ | as I said, i think openwrt and optware is more than enough |
| 19:04.25 | Estel_ | AFAIk it can run everything, it's pure linux |
| 19:04.34 | Estel_ | 2.6 kernel (or 2.4, whatever you feel fancy) |
| 19:04.40 | jacekowski | does it have enough processing power to run xbmc? |
| 19:04.42 | jacekowski | and ram |
| 19:04.44 | jacekowski | and hdmi out |
| 19:04.53 | Estel_ | no idea about xbmc, but people turn it to media copntrolling thing easily |
| 19:05.05 | Estel_ | seriously, xbmc is bloated as hell |
| 19:05.08 | eddyb | Estel_: why does everyone around me have to push me back on track? I can't fail miserably without my gf proving to me that I'm not a retard |
| 19:05.26 | Estel_ | hehe |
| 19:05.38 | Estel_ | if You girlfriend tell You to keep connectint cable to N900's uart... |
| 19:05.43 | Estel_ | then consider yourself lucky one. |
| 19:06.00 | Estel_ | BTW |
| 19:06.05 | Estel_ | HRH_H_Crab, http://www.jbprojects.net/articles/wrt54gl_mods/ |
| 19:06.18 | Estel_ | controlling outside's electornic via serial ports seems nice. |
| 19:06.35 | Estel_ | gonna maker touter with legs that will make me cofee, some day ;) |
| 19:06.40 | luke-jr | ew WRT54GL |
| 19:06.46 | Estel_ | s/touter/router/ |
| 19:07.14 | Estel_ | say what You want, I bet first robot with personality will be made using wrt54* design |
| 19:07.16 | luke-jr | Raspberry Pi is cheaper and better IMO |
| 19:07.34 | Estel_ | ...and will shake it's antennas upon seeing You coming back home, due to hapinness |
| 19:07.41 | Estel_ | luke-jr, raspberry pi isn't cheaper |
| 19:07.48 | Estel_ | but for many things of course it's better suited |
| 19:07.54 | Estel_ | i.e. xbmc mentione dby jacekowski |
| 19:08.23 | Estel_ | but, for things related to being AP - obviously - wrt54gl is much better suited and cheaper, of course |
| 19:08.41 | luke-jr | except for it only running an ancient non-free fork of Linux |
| 19:08.44 | luke-jr | and 802.11g only |
| 19:08.56 | luke-jr | might as well just spend $67 on a nice WZR-HP-G300NH |
| 19:08.59 | Estel_ | 802.11n isn't usable for anything except jamming Your neighborn wifi, lol |
| 19:09.07 | Estel_ | ..due to occupying 40 mhz wide channels |
| 19:09.26 | Estel_ | and wrt54gl run free linux for ages |
| 19:09.28 | luke-jr | more memory and flash are handy still |
| 19:09.32 | Estel_ | of course. |
| 19:09.34 | luke-jr | Estel_: oh? news to me |
| 19:09.42 | Estel_ | although, its possible to - without rocket science - solder more memory |
| 19:09.45 | Estel_ | not feasible, IMO |
| 19:09.53 | Estel_ | luke-jr, see openwrt |
| 19:09.54 | Estel_ | tomato |
| 19:09.56 | Estel_ | whatever |
| 19:10.05 | luke-jr | Openwrt still used 2.4 blobs on WRT54G last I checked |
| 19:10.13 | Estel_ | everything uses blobs ;) |
| 19:10.17 | Estel_ | raspberry pi too. |
| 19:10.29 | Estel_ | BTW, 2.6 kernel is also available on wrt54g* |
| 19:11.12 | Estel_ | raspberry pi have blobs for graphic and such, wrt54gl have blobs for some broadcom thing... no surprise, sadly. At leats wrt54g* blobs play vnicely with open things |
| 19:11.13 | luke-jr | WZR doesn't use blobs |
| 19:11.23 | Estel_ | sounds interesting |
| 19:11.53 | luke-jr | it ships with DD-Wrt too |
| 19:11.59 | Estel_ | anyway, wrt54g* can be bought for really, really, *really* cheap, and if You don't need fancy things and/or want to solder them Yourself... thats why most robots made of AP's are using wrt54g* |
| 19:12.07 | Estel_ | dd-wrt is more non-free, lol |
| 19:12.19 | luke-jr | I run Openwrt on it :p |
| 19:12.19 | Estel_ | after all, it's using free and non-free version |
| 19:12.22 | Estel_ | yea |
| 19:12.25 | Estel_ | openwrt kick ass. |
| 19:12.36 | luke-jr | still, shipping DD-Wrt is a big step forward |
| 19:12.41 | Estel_ | of course |
| 19:13.17 | Estel_ | anyway, for now, i plan to run irc bouncer on my reliable router'ish friend |
| 19:13.25 | Estel_ | +, probably, some more things, when need arise |
| 19:15.10 | luke-jr | should make use of the USB port somehow |
| 19:17.03 | HRH_H_Crab | heh |
| 19:17.10 | HRH_H_Crab | i got a firmware from trunk working |
| 19:17.39 | HRH_H_Crab | Linux OpenWrt 3.3.7 #1 Sun Jun 3 07:47:24 PDT 2012 mips GNU/Linux |
| 19:17.50 | HRH_H_Crab | this has no luci though |
| 19:18.19 | eddyb | 337 |
| 19:18.42 | HRH_H_Crab | built today |
| 19:19.10 | luke-jr | ♥ MIPS |
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| 19:19.52 | HRH_H_Crab | anyway, thats enough playing. |
| 19:19.56 | HRH_H_Crab | time for some cooking, |
| 19:20.30 | Estel_ | bon apetit :) |
| 19:20.32 | HRH_H_Crab | i think my next move will be to make a custom firmware, even if its just to play with the sdk and figure out how it works. |
| 19:20.49 | Estel_ | good idea. |
| 19:20.56 | Estel_ | http://www.jbprojects.net/articles/wrt54gl_mods/ |
| 19:21.01 | Estel_ | ncie illustrated guide to sd mod |
| 19:21.05 | Estel_ | and serial console mod |
| 19:21.13 | Estel_ | if You want to solder card, I recommend following this one |
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| 19:21.57 | HRH_H_Crab | it looks way too hardcore for me, but i might just give it ago. |
| 19:22.07 | HRH_H_Crab | after all i can afford to kill it. |
| 19:22.13 | HRH_H_Crab | its not like i need it for anything. |
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| 19:24.17 | Pali | ping Estel |
| 19:24.24 | Estel_ | Pali, pong |
| 19:25.02 | Estel_ | HRH_H_Crab, firts part is serial itnerfac,e You can skip to sd card section, which isn't hardcore at all |
| 19:25.17 | Estel_ | it's easier than soldering down N900's usb port |
| 19:26.59 | Pali | Estel, I have one question for you as council member: I have working ipv6 support in maemo5. it is in icd2 daemon - so the best solution. But it needs closed source nokia ipv6 icd2 plugin from maemo4. This package is here: catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo-2/libicd-network-ipv6_0.15-0.1_armel.deb but is not redistributable. Can you ask somebody if could be this packages pushed to Fremantle Extras? |
| 19:27.48 | Pali | proper ipv6 support (with dhcpv6) in maemo5 for wlan is very usefull |
| 19:27.53 | Pali | and this is blocker |
| 19:28.11 | Pali | all other ipv6 packages in diablo are open source so it can be pushed to extras without problem |
| 19:28.19 | Estel_ | Pali, of course I'll be honored to ask qgil about it, but, AFAIK, you can redistribute it for fremantle even now... |
| 19:28.36 | Estel_ | using same exception as freemangordon with dsp from harmattan on N900 |
| 19:28.48 | Pali | I want to push that package to fremantle extras |
| 19:28.50 | Estel_ | i.e. "allowance to use closed Nokia bits, if for benefit of Nokia devices users" |
| 19:28.53 | Estel_ | yea |
| 19:29.21 | Estel_ | I'm absolutely, definitely sure, that it's allowed following mentioned exception, but of course, I can also ask |
| 19:29.42 | Pali | ok, better ask :-) |
| 19:29.45 | luke-jr | Pali: DHCPv6? who uses that? |
| 19:30.32 | Pali | luke-jr, that nokia plugin support static ip address and dhcp too |
| 19:30.50 | luke-jr | Pali: why not autodiscovery? |
| 19:31.24 | Pali | I do not want to disassemble that plugin :-) |
| 19:32.28 | luke-jr | also, IPv6 works fine in Maemo 5 with the IPv6 extensions already O.o |
| 19:33.41 | Pali | luke-jr, but it is not integrated into icd2 |
| 19:33.48 | Pali | or yes? |
| 19:33.54 | luke-jr | Pali: yes? |
| 19:33.59 | Pali | and which extensions? |
| 19:34.05 | luke-jr | I just pick the IPv6 network from the connection manager |
| 19:34.17 | luke-jr | http://n900-ipv6.garage.maemo.org/ iirc |
| 19:34.45 | luke-jr | hmm no, that's older |
| 19:35.25 | Pali | but that needs to edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:35.44 | Pali | and on n900 is on localhost dnsmasq |
| 19:37.14 | luke-jr | http://code.google.com/p/n900ipv6/wiki/README |
| 19:40.15 | Pali | and this is only for GSM/3G |
| 19:41.33 | Pali | luke-jr, I already looked at code of both projects, but I decided to copy exising ipv6 binaries from diablo, beucase it is better solution |
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| 19:51.16 | luke-jr | admittedly, I don't know how DNS discovery works on Wifi right now\ |
| 19:51.28 | luke-jr | but it seems a shame to go back to the drawing board even if that is broken |
| 19:51.29 | orangey | hey all |
| 19:51.34 | orangey | does syncevolution by chance do a single ICS file? |
| 19:52.55 | orangey | hmm. Also, where is it that I can play with things that load after the desktop starts? |
| 19:54.48 | orangey | aha event.d |
| 19:54.51 | orangey | thank you grep -r |
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| 20:36.22 | Estel_ | luke-jr, it seems that on wrt54g* and many others, there are no blobs for wifi, currently |
| 20:36.35 | luke-jr | interesting |
| 20:36.44 | Estel_ | "Before the introduction of OpenWrt 8.09, using Linux 2.6.25, and the b43 kernel module, WLAN for many Broadcom-based routers was only available through the proprietary wl.o module that was also only provided for Linux 2.4." |
| 20:36.59 | Estel_ | it seems that b43 takes care of it - RE'ed probably |
| 20:37.12 | Estel_ | only for kernel 2.6 AFAIK |
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| 20:50.50 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer: good evening. |
| 20:51.01 | vi__ | may I ask a question? |
| 20:52.12 | vi__ | what write speed shoul I expect to achieve when: |
| 20:52.30 | vi__ | dd count=2 bs=10M if=/dev/urandom of=/opt/test |
| 20:52.53 | vi__ | I am seeing 1.4MB/S |
| 20:53.06 | vi__ | is this to be considered normal? |
| 20:55.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 20:55.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe |
| 20:56.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | use /dev/zero and see if it makes a difference |
| 20:58.37 | vi__ | yes it does, 7.1MB/s |
| 20:58.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | also aiui a bs=10M will result in *massive* ram demand of dd, so other stuff needs to get swapped out... to same storage as /opt |
| 20:59.57 | vi__ | interesting |
| 21:00.30 | vi__ | 10*1MB==50MB/s |
| 21:01.54 | vi__ | I pasted a link to an article earlier that showed alligning FS to flash erase block size would show improvements in speed. |
| 21:02.14 | vi__ | Is this a thing you know about? |
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| 21:06.28 | vi__ | http://blogofterje.wordpress.com/2012/01/14/optimizing-fs-on-sd-card/ |
| 21:06.40 | vi__ | this chap for example. |
| 21:07.03 | vi__ | it is times like thes I wish I had an extra n900. |
| 21:08.35 | vi__ | mmmm |
| 21:09.02 | vi__ | I could us my swap partition to play with file systems on my live system! |
| 21:09.11 | vi__ | brb, xterm |
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| 21:22.06 | Estel_ | oh god... following some link pages from wrt54gl made me run into openmoko, and, sudden of nothing, i know why this project failed miserably |
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| 21:22.55 | Estel_ | 666 euro for device with 2,5'' (or so) screen, 800 mhz processor and 512 ram |
| 21:23.02 | Estel_ | + 69 euro for optional camera module |
| 21:23.08 | Estel_ | ... |
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| 21:23.28 | Estel_ | I hope that vivaldi and future projects are going to do it *right* way |
| 21:23.51 | vi__ | well it was a fully open phone. |
| 21:24.04 | vi__ | without a major manufacturer behind it. |
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| 21:25.34 | Estel_ | yes, but price and form?! |
| 21:25.55 | Estel_ | after all, if they *had* resources to put it the way it was... |
| 21:26.10 | Estel_ | they could have better specification without actually rising price tag very much |
| 21:26.34 | Estel_ | +, they zealot'ishly followed rule of being "phone first", which resulted on poor size for a mobile computer... |
| 21:26.48 | Estel_ | and of course, 0 interest from users of dummy phones (why they should care, anyway?) |
| 21:27.05 | Estel_ | using so small form/screen + so poor resolution is really masochistic idea |
| 21:27.35 | Estel_ | i.e. if they actually made so much effort in creating it, it wouldn't hurt to make it actually usable. Then, even price tag could be ignored. |
| 21:27.52 | mavhc | it's old, of course it looks bad now |
| 21:28.02 | Estel_ | GTA04 isn't old |
| 21:28.11 | Estel_ | http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04 |
| 21:28.22 | vi__ | ~ # mount /dev/mmcblk0p3 /media/swap/ |
| 21:28.22 | vi__ | mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p3 on /media/swap/ failed: Invalid argument |
| 21:28.23 | Estel_ | just someone decided to re-use old parts like screen etc |
| 21:28.29 | vi__ | Y U NO MOUNT???? |
| 21:28.39 | Estel_ | because linuxtype swap isn't mountable? |
| 21:28.56 | vi__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.01 | mavhc | so the screen is old |
| 21:29.17 | Estel_ | mavhc, screen, device size, = form factor. |
| 21:29.23 | vi__ | -t ext4 |
| 21:29.26 | vi__ | fu gnu |
| 21:29.41 | Estel_ | vi__, what are You cooking, overall? |
| 21:29.45 | mavhc | in general, it's old |
| 21:30.08 | Estel_ | mavhc, it doesn't sound like being new even when born. Efforts were great, but design decisions... |
| 21:30.35 | Estel_ | it's awesome that someone could actually design such thing being fully FOSS, and fail at "simple" things for mortals |
| 21:30.52 | Estel_ | i.e. what would be cost of using some sane screen for gta04, instead of putting it into old case... |
| 21:31.03 | Estel_ | and/or offer slide-out keyboard like N900 |
| 21:31.11 | Estel_ | ...after costs for designing board itself |
| 21:31.20 | Estel_ | this way, it's made for rich masochists. |
| 21:31.43 | Estel_ | just small, tiny alternations in design would make it for rich, or devoted, but not especiaslly masochists ;) |
| 21:32.09 | Estel_ | it's like... designing N950, and strippoing it down to keyboard-less N9 with closed frankenstein UI called harmattan :P |
| 21:32.31 | Estel_ | but even worse, as the latter is done by big company that have much money to lose, and the former was truly nice attempt to make FOSS phone |
| 21:34.45 | vi__ | why I do not have mkreiserfs??? |
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| 21:38.04 | Estel_ | because You don't have reiserfs |
| 21:38.06 | chem|st | vi__: do you think you'll need reiser on a mmc? |
| 21:38.09 | Estel_ | on N900, even with power kernel |
| 21:38.24 | Estel_ | chem|st, reiserfs proved to be quite effective on emmc |
| 21:38.27 | vi__ | chem|st: frankly I have no idea. |
| 21:38.42 | vi__ | chem|st: but it is my right to try! |
| 21:38.46 | Estel_ | some claim that even more than journal-less ext4 variant |
| 21:38.59 | Estel_ | vi__, sure, just compile Your own reiserfs moduels for kernel-power |
| 21:39.00 | vi__ | Estel_: your ED image is broken |
| 21:39.06 | Estel_ | and ask Pali to include them in further versions |
| 21:39.12 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody got any big suggestions for MWKN this week? |
| 21:39.15 | Estel_ | how come? ;) What isn't working this time? |
| 21:39.31 | vi__ | dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: syntax error: unknown group 'crontab' in statoverride file |
| 21:39.31 | GeneralAntilles | The only thing between you and publication is me since Jaffa's on vacation and fiferboy is MIA, so now's your big chance! |
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| 21:39.34 | vi__ | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 21:39.44 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, unless You want to cover argues on IRC ;) I think nothing itneresting happened |
| 21:40.01 | vi__ | compcache |
| 21:40.06 | Estel_ | vi__, haven't seen anything like that and other users of Ed image haven't reported it. |
| 21:40.17 | vi__ | swappiness 100 is the new swappiness 30 |
| 21:40.34 | vi__ | do other users use apt-get? |
| 21:40.35 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, will check recent evets, maybe I've missed something |
| 21:40.47 | Estel_ | vi__, of course |
| 21:41.11 | Estel_ | vi__, as You remember re freemangordon, your compcache setup wasn;t working properly even for opera mini in background and something |
| 21:41.19 | Estel_ | I appreciate work, but it's really just for Your use case |
| 21:41.22 | Estel_ | maybe someone's else too |
| 21:41.35 | Estel_ | wouldn't cover it on MWNM just now |
| 21:41.38 | vi__ | derp |
| 21:41.44 | vi__ | DERP |
| 21:42.23 | vi__ | that was for a VERY specific case when attempting to run a 128MB disksize |
| 21:43.09 | vi__ | between 16-80MB with swappiness 100 it runs like a champ. |
| 21:43.20 | Estel_ | interesting |
| 21:43.23 | vi__ | I have had it on for about 2 days now. |
| 21:43.25 | Estel_ | would need further testing, though |
| 21:43.35 | Estel_ | as still settings used are absurdal, ane we have no idea why it works |
| 21:43.41 | Raimu | vi__: What size are you using now, then? |
| 21:43.49 | Estel_ | do you really want any average joe to turn it on and then scream, that lost his data due to device hang?:P |
| 21:43.52 | vi__ | that was for the nuts 128MB |
| 21:44.08 | vi__ | average joe can smoke my schlong |
| 21:44.11 | Estel_ | vi__, it seems i'm quite late at news about it |
| 21:45.58 | vi__ | keep all the settings stock except |
| 21:46.18 | vi__ | swappiness 100 (which is stock anyway) |
| 21:46.39 | Estel_ | hm, i would tune them up :P |
| 21:46.50 | Estel_ | so, why, miracolously, problems dissapeared? |
| 21:46.56 | Estel_ | AFAIK, it was first thing tried by people |
| 21:47.06 | vi__ | echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/page-cluster |
| 21:47.13 | Estel_ | and it failed as soon as *real* swapping wa smvoed out of compcache |
| 21:47.18 | Estel_ | nah, won't work |
| 21:47.25 | Estel_ | the main problem is that compcache is Your primary swapo |
| 21:47.35 | vi__ | that was with a 128MB disksize |
| 21:47.35 | Estel_ | so after extended usage, You end up with... |
| 21:47.45 | Estel_ | old, unused data, sits in compcache... |
| 21:47.50 | Estel_ | i.e. the least used |
| 21:47.54 | Estel_ | (as it was put there primaly) |
| 21:48.03 | vi__ | echo 15 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_ratio |
| 21:48.10 | Estel_ | and actively used data, i.e. constantly swaped in and out, ends up in secondary swap, i.e. real one |
| 21:48.41 | Estel_ | honestly, it seems that ShadowJk is right about it not being possible to work correctly without backing swap and alktering kernel mechanism of handling swap |
| 21:48.49 | Estel_ | not that I udnerstand fully what it means :P |
| 21:49.01 | Estel_ | but freemangordon does, so we may be on right - yet long - way |
| 21:49.15 | vi__ | well. |
| 21:49.16 | Estel_ | anyway, they boith claim that it would result in really, really huge speed gain re swapping |
| 21:49.18 | vi__ | ... |
| 21:49.24 | vi__ | WFM |
| 21:49.35 | Estel_ | ~wfm |
| 21:49.35 | infobot | i heard wfm is (Wired For Management Baseline) This is an Intel hardware specification that is designed to allow for compliance with easier management of desktop PCs in a networked environment. The specification calls for computers to be compatible with a pre-boot protocol that can be used to update the system or perform other management options. Also, the computer must be compatible with network/desktop management applications.. Works For Me |
| 21:50.08 | Estel_ | vi__, I agree... |
| 21:50.19 | Estel_ | but WFM isn't enough to put something into banner of MWN or whatever :P |
| 21:50.34 | Estel_ | hey, I've got an idea |
| 21:50.38 | Estel_ | ping freemangordon |
| 21:50.42 | Estel_ | ping Pali |
| 21:50.48 | vi__ | wut for |
| 21:50.51 | Pali | Estel, pong |
| 21:51.08 | Estel_ | Pali, as we're aware, alck fo more kernel-power developers is one of main problems, yes? hands for doing the job |
| 21:51.14 | Estel_ | I don't know if it would help much, but |
| 21:51.27 | Estel_ | what do you think about asking qwazix to prepare banner for kernel-power project |
| 21:51.30 | Estel_ | just like for CSSU |
| 21:51.43 | Estel_ | + volounteers would made better wiki page for kernel (adjust it) |
| 21:51.51 | Estel_ | so it's reasdable for someone not involved in using too |
| 21:51.55 | Estel_ | then, putting it in front page? |
| 21:52.09 | Estel_ | maybe not idea that cause sea to divide and allow to pass ;) |
| 21:52.29 | Estel_ | but, after all, kp and CSSU are main community projects... CSSU got such things, maybe KP should to |
| 21:52.51 | Estel_ | after all, less IRC-involved and TMO-involved people could get interested. Better chances to find someone with less or more rusty skills in kernel-hacking |
| 21:53.03 | Estel_ | thoughts, comments? |
| 21:56.39 | chem|st | people with rusty skills in kernel hacking we had till KP46... maybe ask conman for some help or others directly |
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| 21:58.18 | Estel_ | chem|st, you think no one tried that? |
| 21:58.24 | chem|st | some bad-ass kernel freaks |
| 21:58.41 | chem|st | I do not know if someone asked conman... |
| 21:58.43 | Estel_ | no one had shiny golde skills form beginning. If someone have rusty skills ate beginning, he/she can make them better due to feedback from less rusty people |
| 21:58.52 | Estel_ | like ingenious Pali and freemangordon |
| 21:58.58 | Estel_ | afaik, thta is how FOSS projects work |
| 21:59.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi_ I had to check chanlog to see those on my /ignore are spreading FUD and usual lies again, this time about openmoko though. I honnestly ask everybody to look and study pages like http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/Community/ (NB it's a company called golden delicious, NUTTIN to do with openmoko inc which basically doesn't exist anymore) |
| 21:59.13 | Estel_ | bad-ass kernel freaks seem to be very devoted to their projects |
| 21:59.22 | chem|st | rusty skills... learn adjectives first maybe |
| 21:59.50 | Estel_ | chem|st, argumentum ad persona? |
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| 22:00.27 | chem|st | Estel_: don't start it again! |
| 22:00.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | while goldelico is not a big fail but a big story just about to start |
| 22:00.41 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: o/ |
| 22:00.42 | Estel_ | we have enough *looks at DocScrutinizer* "I know everything" specialist-bad-ass, that talk more and do less. i'm trying to help as much as I can with finding more working hands for KP. |
| 22:01.06 | Estel_ | chem|st, start what? I think I don't get You, honestly. |
| 22:01.29 | chem|st | mate, get your head cleared of that bullshit... you talk rusty... I talk fresh |
| 22:01.42 | Estel_ | 0_o |
| 22:01.54 | Estel_ | are You sure You're feeling allright? anyway, it's Your problem |
| 22:02.03 | Estel_ | heading back to do something productive |
| 22:02.28 | chem|st | WTF? |
| 22:02.30 | Cor-Ai | im kinda productive! |
| 22:02.51 | chem|st | Cor-Ai: good! |
| 22:03.36 | chem|st | Estel_: a little less conversation a bit more action pls |
| 22:04.10 | Estel_ | chem|st, who is saying that? Tlook @ the mirror. anyway, You're pinging me - back from work again - just to write bullshit like that? seriously? |
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| 22:04.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: I ask for assistance against personal insult in this channel. I'm not going to (ab)use my chanop powers to sort that issue myself |
| 22:04.30 | Estel_ | again, look @ the mirror and do something productive Yourself |
| 22:04.41 | Estel_ | is heading *again* to do some productive work |
| 22:05.05 | chem|st | thanks tell me when this is over... |
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| 22:05.22 | GeneralAntilles | Gentlemen |
| 22:05.25 | GeneralAntilles | Shut the hell up. |
| 22:05.28 | vi__ | lol |
| 22:05.38 | GeneralAntilles | I'm busy. |
| 22:06.00 | GeneralAntilles | Unless you want an editorial in MWKN about the whiny children inhabiting #maemo, then cut it. :P |
| 22:07.32 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, it seems that gcc-4.6 and Fremantle may be thing You would like to write about |
| 22:07.40 | GeneralAntilles | Personal attacks are unproductive and, considering there's nobody here who isn't invested in the community, unwarranted. |
| 22:07.52 | Estel_ | last week, gcc-4.6 appeared in -devel repos |
| 22:08.06 | GeneralAntilles | Estel_, anybody got a thread or blog or something on it? |
| 22:08.17 | Estel_ | thus, last mielstone in providing it for fremantle was achieved, and now bug hunting season opened |
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| 22:08.21 | Estel_ | of course, providing links: |
| 22:08.40 | Estel_ | development thread on TMO (whole saga from beginning to current date): |
| 22:08.42 | Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81861 |
| 22:08.49 | Estel_ | people responsible: |
| 22:08.56 | Estel_ | AapoRantalainen |
| 22:09.10 | Estel_ | and to some extent,: |
| 22:09.12 | Estel_ | marmistrz |
| 22:09.15 | merlin1991 | never heard that beofre |
| 22:09.24 | merlin1991 | s/that beofre/that name before/ |
| 22:09.25 | Estel_ | and szopin |
| 22:09.55 | Estel_ | AapoRantalainen is unknown to You, merlin1991 ? 0_o nothing bad, I'm just surprised |
| 22:10.07 | Estel_ | freemangordon and merlin are, parallely, working on it for CSSU, yep? |
| 22:10.22 | Estel_ | here I'm quite old on info, so merlin1991 can provide more valuable informations, probably |
| 22:10.29 | merlin1991 | freemangordon did use gcc 4.6 in order to get around thumb problems |
| 22:10.34 | merlin1991 | I just tried to package some stuff |
| 22:10.35 | Estel_ | ah, I see. |
| 22:10.57 | Estel_ | well, people installing gcc-4.6 from repos haven't run into preoblems, as for yesterday |
| 22:11.02 | Estel_ | I haven't been on TMO yet today |
| 22:11.08 | Estel_ | everything seemed to work fine |
| 22:11.11 | vi__ | GeneralAntilles: GeneralAntilles openmediaplayer on the n900 is officially kicking asses. |
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| 22:11.27 | vi__ | that might be newsworthy. |
| 22:11.38 | Estel_ | vi__, true, but what to write? it was covered some time ago |
| 22:11.43 | GeneralAntilles | vi__, link? |
| 22:11.48 | Estel_ | if they would include it into CSSU, it would be something for a news :P |
| 22:12.09 | GeneralAntilles | Mmm, we've already covered it. |
| 22:12.09 | vi__ | Estel_: it is not ready for that yet. |
| 22:12.11 | Estel_ | is using OpenMediaPlayer for ages and would never ever go back to stock |
| 22:12.30 | vi__ | it needs 1 more thing. |
| 22:12.41 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, when it will be ready for CSSU-rewrites or hoever this shiny repo is called, it will be good to write about it again |
| 22:12.48 | Estel_ | vi__, hm? |
| 22:13.04 | vi__ | it needs to be able to open playlists so you can open web streams. |
| 22:13.20 | vi__ | just like stock MP |
| 22:13.53 | vi__ | It does NOT need a software equaliser though. |
| 22:14.17 | merlin1991 | simple fact, it's not going to have an qualiser |
| 22:14.24 | vi__ | w00t |
| 22:14.39 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, GeneralAntilles, I don't know if it isn't too niche, but serious problem have been discovere din SmsCON, tool aimed to help retrieving lost/stolen N900 |
| 22:14.40 | merlin1991 | no hook to add it to mafw, and it uses mafw |
| 22:15.03 | vi__ | streamer has no plugin? |
| 22:15.05 | GeneralAntilles | Estel_, thread? |
| 22:15.08 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, discussion start here: |
| 22:15.09 | Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1215664&postcount=1163 |
| 22:15.20 | Estel_ | and all post after this are about it |
| 22:15.27 | vi__ | Estel_: what is wromg with it? |
| 22:15.35 | Estel_ | (basically, SMSCON was always thought to play nicely with devices using auto-lock code, it turned out that it's not) |
| 22:15.47 | Estel_ | well, if You have auto lock code, SMSCON won't work, at all ;) |
| 22:15.59 | Estel_ | function to disable lock code upon discovering unauthorised sim doesn't workj |
| 22:16.11 | Estel_ | and no way to properly load smscon before lock code promt @ boot |
| 22:16.39 | Estel_ | yablacky, a trully skilled hacker who is currently maintaining smscon backend is investigating, with community, a ways to overcome it |
| 22:16.55 | vi__ | ... |
| 22:16.59 | vi__ | wtf not. |
| 22:17.17 | Estel_ | ...because now You have 2 options - either use smscon and *no* auto lock code (= truecrypt partitions with private data, mounted all the time, aren't protected - lock code forced to reboot device at least last, which made them unmount itself) |
| 22:17.17 | vi__ | just run it before X |
| 22:17.26 | Estel_ | vi__, check thread, yablacky tried it |
| 22:17.31 | Estel_ | and some parts haven't worked properly |
| 22:17.36 | Estel_ | i.e. detecting sim card |
| 22:17.45 | Estel_ | so no way for smscon to determine if authorised or not sim card is present |
| 22:17.48 | Estel_ | = no "stolen" mode |
| 22:17.57 | Estel_ | so it don't know if it should disable lock code |
| 22:18.39 | vi__ | ugh, too much for me to think about |
| 22:18.43 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, coding competition is thinking about huge change of submissions form: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83761&page=19 |
| 22:19.03 | Estel_ | all former CC applications were diversed amongst many categories |
| 22:19.19 | Estel_ | now, they're thinking about dropping categories at all, and throwing every participating program into one basket |
| 22:19.25 | merlin1991 | dat rofl |
| 22:19.29 | Estel_ | also, they're thinking about how to deal with multiplatform properly |
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| 22:19.52 | Estel_ | i.e how to properly recognize things that work on Fremantle, Mer, and Harmattan |
| 22:19.59 | Estel_ | without rewarding androids and so goes on |
| 22:21.22 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, during last week, another 2 nokia sponsored branches of device program started |
| 22:21.24 | Estel_ | QT5: |
| 22:21.26 | vi__ | will CC2012 be such a type 'A' kluster fuck as last years? |
| 22:21.26 | Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83761&page=19 |
| 22:21.52 | Estel_ | ...and Nokia Store: |
| 22:21.53 | Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84589 |
| 22:22.05 | merlin1991 | hm seems that all the fun with gcc 4.6 in the repos foobared apt-get |
| 22:22.15 | Estel_ | so, total of 3/4 branches are running already, CC is last thing waiting for start |
| 22:22.24 | Estel_ | merlin1991, hm? |
| 22:22.28 | Estel_ | vi__, I've no idea |
| 22:22.44 | Estel_ | frankly, I don't even know what You mean by type 'A' kluster fuck :P |
| 22:22.51 | merlin1991 | I'll need another 10 min but I'm pretty sure the problem lies with extras-devel |
| 22:23.02 | Estel_ | yes, it lies there |
| 22:23.09 | Estel_ | can confirm disabling it get rid of warning |
| 22:23.14 | Estel_ | if You're talking about it |
| 22:24.46 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, after all, it seems that much happened during last week :P need more, or You've already full page? |
| 22:25.30 | GeneralAntilles | I'll cover anything relevant. |
| 22:25.34 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, I don't know if it's interesting, but few geeks are investigating possibility of putting 6000 mAh battery into N900 with mugen-sized backcover |
| 22:25.45 | Estel_ | including me, so it's kinda shameless self advert |
| 22:26.51 | GeneralAntilles | Link? |
| 22:26.53 | GeneralAntilles | Also: thanks. |
| 22:26.54 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, if we're talking about self-adverts - IDK if You've covered this: |
| 22:26.55 | Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83928 |
| 22:27.01 | Estel_ | no problem, my pleasure |
| 22:27.11 | Estel_ | battery thing is related to that |
| 22:27.20 | Estel_ | as it turned out, that no way without doing custom body |
| 22:27.51 | Estel_ | (it's a project of custom body for N900, with external antennas connectors, tripod mounting point, and things like that) |
| 22:27.59 | Estel_ | last diea is to use 2x 18650 cells |
| 22:28.07 | Estel_ | special socket for them in body replacement |
| 22:28.13 | Estel_ | = thickness would be roughly like mugen cover |
| 22:28.33 | Estel_ | but, with 6000 mAh capacity, instead of 2400 offered by mugen, and 3000 via usage of dual scuds |
| 22:28.59 | Estel_ | + 18650's are cheap, widely available, and won't dissapear like batteries for certain phone models |
| 22:29.34 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, honestly, one of my Councilor's dieas, that I haven't yet told about, was to work more closely with MWKN |
| 22:29.42 | Estel_ | that's why I was asking extensively about it lately |
| 22:29.59 | Estel_ | in case of need to trim down Maemo.org interface, it could replace news |
| 22:30.15 | GeneralAntilles | News is pretty cheap on maemo.org |
| 22:30.31 | GeneralAntilles | So it's unlikely something that would need to be trimmed for cost-cutting reasons. |
| 22:31.11 | Estel_ | nods |
| 22:31.25 | Estel_ | can't remember now, but someone suggested that, when, for long period of time |
| 22:31.33 | Estel_ | 90% of content wasn't maemo related |
| 22:31.42 | Estel_ | due to many blogs being connected with it and not following rule of Maemo tags |
| 22:31.56 | Estel_ | after all, many people started to use thumb down feature, and it returned back to normal |
| 22:32.26 | Estel_ | still, MWKN provide much more rellevant info, most of the times, unless it's talking about Harmattan only ;) but, anyway, it's not editors fault, that no one send Maemo's info |
| 22:33.23 | Estel_ | closer cooperation + popularizing info about how to submit interesting things could make it covering even more, after all, MANY, *many* things are going on in Maemo community |
| 22:34.40 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, last week Ubuntu 12.04 started to work reliably on N900, thanks to freemangordon and his way to enable erratum fixes for N900's SoC |
| 22:34.40 | Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82819 |
| 22:34.56 | Estel_ | (this thread is about development of it since beginning, but, latets pages are about it) |
| 22:35.22 | Estel_ | generally, it uses modified nemo kernel, + reportedly, work blazing fast if You get rid of Unity and use things lixe LXDe, much faster than debian chroot |
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| 22:37.23 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, Pali released updated version of bootmenu |
| 22:37.25 | Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74720&page=5 |
| 22:37.46 | Estel_ | fixes ages-old problems with it being not-compatible with U-Boot |
| 22:38.09 | Estel_ | also, development of U-boot for Maemo is quite fats last week, but I don't have link handy, will try to find |
| 22:38.18 | Estel_ | s/Maemo/N900/ |
| 22:38.24 | Estel_ | Pali's changes got upstreamed, many times |
| 22:39.19 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, ModRana - one of most popular navigational tool for Maemo started re-wriote into QML - current builds include both old GUI and new experimental one, with limited funcionality |
| 22:39.20 | Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58861&page=106 |
| 22:40.24 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, (self advert mode on again) ereswap, tools that helps to easy fighting swap-fragmentation for end-user was released: |
| 22:40.26 | Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84413 |
| 22:42.11 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, Pali, in process of upstreaming U-boot changes and introducing official support for N900 in U-boot mainstream, started to collect atag dumps from N900's with different revisions: |
| 22:42.12 | GeneralAntilles | Damn, and I thought this was going to be a light issue! |
| 22:42.12 | Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84560 |
| 22:42.17 | Estel_ | :D |
| 22:42.55 | Estel_ | ...but, in the process, it turned out that NOLO is sending different atags for sdame revisions types, sometimes, and no one have idea how it determines what is needed to be send. As a result... |
| 22:43.03 | Estel_ | reverse-engineering NOLO started again |
| 22:44.05 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, if You need threads worth talking, You can always ask me :P Though You may gonna start to hate it, as, in fact, it was really one of lightier weeks |
| 22:44.31 | Estel_ | I'm not sure if You would like to cover all interesting things during more heavy weeks... at least, not all alone, when Jaffa is out :P |
| 22:44.54 | GeneralAntilles | and fiferboy |
| 22:44.55 | GeneralAntilles | Damn him. |
| 22:45.07 | Estel_ | ~fiferboy |
| 22:45.15 | Estel_ | NFc wh he is/was |
| 22:45.21 | Estel_ | s/wh/who/ |
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| 22:45.42 | Estel_ | I suppoose that 3rd editor of MWKN who is missing in action ;) |
| 22:46.00 | GeneralAntilles | Another of the old guard |
| 22:46.05 | GeneralAntilles | and, yes, MIA editor. |
| 22:47.36 | Estel_ | Well, I think it's all for now, going to prepare some kind of dinner. Happy covering! |
| 22:47.52 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks, later. |
| 22:49.56 | luke-jr | Estel_: any chance you can tell me how important/relevant documenting Gentoo/N900 is, for getting a N950/N9? <.< |
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| 22:50.34 | Estel_ | luke-jr, haha, I saw Your comment. Honestly, i enjoyed fact that You were talking with me wabout it without knowing that i'm Councilor ;) |
| 22:50.42 | Estel_ | I think I need to get incognito alias |
| 22:50.53 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 22:50.54 | luke-jr | heh |
| 22:51.02 | GeneralAntilles | It's a facilitator role. <_< |
| 22:51.09 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, just joking |
| 22:51.44 | Estel_ | ewwell, i facilitated efforts to document it, but he just said that hes not interested :P |
| 22:51.55 | Estel_ | seriously though |
| 22:52.08 | Estel_ | luke-jr, very, *very* important, as for now, this project is hardly existing in Community minds |
| 22:52.21 | Estel_ | I know that something like that exist, few other people too |
| 22:52.25 | Estel_ | maybe 2 or 3 people saw it |
| 22:52.33 | Estel_ | noo cooperartion with other devs |
| 22:52.38 | Estel_ | due to lack of documenting ;) |
| 22:52.50 | Estel_ | so NFC what You've achieved and how, and what is missing and worth pursuit |
| 22:53.08 | Estel_ | but, i think, it's little too late, honestly, if we're talking about N9/N950 |
| 22:53.15 | Estel_ | if you're going to be ooportunistic :P |
| 22:53.31 | Estel_ | s/ooportunistic/opportunistic/ |
| 22:53.49 | Estel_ | anywya, it's *very* worth doing anyway, for project's sake itself |
| 22:54.05 | Estel_ | and again, from your ooportunistic point of view, no one said it's last device program ever |
| 22:54.26 | Estel_ | few weeks ago, no one would suspect current program happenijng, so... |
| 22:55.04 | robbiethe1st | What program is this? |
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| 23:18.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | robbiethe1st: though I'm missing quite some stuff here, I suspect you're asking about community award program, something you *should* throw your hat in. after all iirc you have a broken N900 and I know who gave awesome backupmenu to us. You should receive a device, and maybe can 'swap' it - via fleabay - for one or two N900 ;-) |
| 23:18.51 | robbiethe1st | Fair enough; link? |
| 23:18.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | see community ML |
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| 23:20.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | or ask council |
| 23:20.54 | robbiethe1st | I guess I'm /way/ out of the loop; I have no clue what the community ML is, nor anything about what's going on. Sorry. :\ |
| 23:21.31 | robbiethe1st | Last I heard, the council was a bunch of people who didn't do a whole lot except apologise for nokia not open-sourcing the bits we wanted... |
| 23:21.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, community ML is to be found e.g. there: https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community |
| 23:22.18 | robbiethe1st | Oh |
| 23:22.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-June/ |
| 23:22.26 | GeneralAntilles | UGh |
| 23:22.34 | GeneralAntilles | The Nokia apologist line. |
| 23:22.37 | GeneralAntilles | That shit needs to die. |
| 23:22.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm? |
| 23:24.14 | robbiethe1st | ... Uh? http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-June/005404.html |
| 23:24.22 | robbiethe1st | Someone's sure full of himself |
| 23:24.36 | robbiethe1st | (quoted comment) |
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| 23:30.11 | robbiethe1st | So, erm, where's the original post explaining the 'community awards'? |
| 23:31.03 | Elleo | robbiethe1st: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84533 |
| 23:31.04 | GeneralAntilles | robbiethe1st, http://wiki.maemo.org/Summer%2712_Device_Program |
| 23:31.18 | robbiethe1st | thanks |
| 23:33.18 | Estel_ | hey robbiethe1st :) |
| 23:33.23 | robbiethe1st | hi |
| 23:34.17 | Estel_ | I also think You should submit. While You may not be eprfect example of 100% in-loop continous contribution to community, You haven't left it, and partial absence, afaik, it's due l;ack of time... |
| 23:34.22 | Estel_ | i.e. real life things |
| 23:34.40 | Estel_ | do I recall correctly, that You're still - although slowly - working on backupmenu? |
| 23:35.09 | Estel_ | I've suggested some thing few days ago in it's thread, like separating optFS backup from /home/* |
| 23:35.09 | robbiethe1st | Sort of, yeah. I really need to sit down and actually churn out some stuff |
| 23:35.24 | Estel_ | I suppoose You haven't had time to check it yet ;) |
| 23:35.49 | Estel_ | what do You think about - due to framebuffer availability in KP for some time - idea of rewriting it, to drop text2screen completely? |
| 23:36.03 | Estel_ | (i.e. transfering to "proper" CLI using framebuffer) |
| 23:36.10 | Estel_ | after all, those both are text outputs |
| 23:36.27 | robbiethe1st | I thought about that, but why? would it actually give any advantage? |
| 23:36.32 | Estel_ | of course it's quite big change, and no one suppose it would take a day or two to finish :P |
| 23:36.35 | Estel_ | yea |
| 23:36.40 | robbiethe1st | Which is? |
| 23:36.42 | Estel_ | using root console makes text2screen teared |
| 23:36.47 | Estel_ | sometime, to the point of being unusable |
| 23:37.01 | Estel_ | also, it makes it harder for other people to contribute to backupmenu development |
| 23:37.21 | robbiethe1st | Yes, that it does; you have to reboot after using it. Problem is I can't unload the FB module after I'm done with it |
| 23:37.26 | Estel_ | anyway, that's the common view on this - mix with text2screen makes code much harder to follow/adjust (not my opinion, i'm noob here) |
| 23:37.44 | Estel_ | robbiethe1st, the problem is that most power users now modprobe fbcon as first think in preinit |
| 23:37.51 | Estel_ | so they have framebuffer enabled anyway |
| 23:38.02 | Estel_ | unloading it form within backupmenu would be a problem as per se |
| 23:38.37 | Estel_ | i.e we have full scrolling text from - almost- very beginning, same for recoversy console out of backupmenu (preinit) - but, backupmenu is great tool as it eases doing things |
| 23:38.52 | Estel_ | theoretically, same may be achieved by recovery console and bunch of scripts cp'ed to tmp |
| 23:39.00 | Estel_ | but, backupmenu is much more user friendly |
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| 23:39.43 | Estel_ | I'm quite sure dropping text2screen would make it easier for other people to contribute = You would see that it's nice when other people are coding things You haven't time for :) |
| 23:39.56 | Estel_ | also, it would provide even more modularity |
| 23:40.19 | Estel_ | I'm pretty sure, that, at some point, it would be included in kernel-power on CSSU as default tool |
| 23:40.31 | Estel_ | like clockworkorangeMOd in android and cyanogenmod |
| 23:40.46 | robbiethe1st | Well, the only problem there is that A, I don't know about using colors and B, about anything but adding new lines |
| 23:40.57 | Estel_ | i.e. everyone using kp or cssu would have it = no more people that get to know about backupmenu only, when they encounter problems requiring reflash |
| 23:40.59 | robbiethe1st | With t2s, I can add text anywhere on the screen. |
| 23:41.16 | Estel_ | are collors necessary? |
| 23:41.30 | Estel_ | and about new lines, I'm sure someone would explain it here or on TMO |
| 23:42.08 | Estel_ | I think more "heated" thing for now is to separate /home/* from /opt backup, so during backup, one cna backup everything or any mix of 3 components |
| 23:42.23 | Estel_ | for now, for people having, lets say, preenv games in /home/games, optfs backups many times exceed 4 GB |
| 23:42.27 | Estel_ | = cannot be saved to MyDocs |
| 23:42.32 | Estel_ | or any vfat |
| 23:42.43 | robbiethe1st | But wait, /home/ is 2GB partiton... |
| 23:42.49 | Estel_ | IIRC, possibility to save into other filesystems was also pending request |
| 23:42.49 | robbiethe1st | Unless you resize it, etc. |
| 23:43.02 | Estel_ | home is 2GB partition only in new N900 bought from Nokia, which doesn't happen lately:P |
| 23:43.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | robbiethe1st: I think vi_'s post was a nice parody, and I liked it very much |
| 23:43.11 | Estel_ | nowadays, 90% of users repartition |
| 23:43.24 | robbiethe1st | 90% of the 1%, more like... |
| 23:43.59 | robbiethe1st | First thing I need to do is get Boot Menu/BM compatibility working on my N900 |
| 23:44.09 | robbiethe1st | I haven't added it because /it doesn't f***ing work/ for me. |
| 23:45.06 | Estel_ | Pali released new verison of bootmenu |
| 23:45.14 | Estel_ | also, he pointed out, that backupmenu is doing something wron re boot menu |
| 23:45.20 | Estel_ | check backupmenu thread, last poage, please |
| 23:45.35 | Estel_ | and sorry for typos, writing using one hand |
| 23:45.47 | Estel_ | another one is busy... no, not b ywhat You think it is - I'm cooking dinner |
| 23:45.53 | Estel_ | frying thing |
| 23:46.08 | robbiethe1st | No, I mean... I did that specifically because I couldn't get boot menu to work the /right/ way |
| 23:48.01 | Estel_ | yes, but bootmenu was updated |
| 23:49.19 | robbiethe1st | Going to try again |
| 23:54.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | robbiethe1st: well, bootmenu was designed in a way basically incompatible with backupmenu class of "apps". So unless bootmenu will be augmented, I don't see a proper way to make both coexist. I looked into it long time ago |
| 23:55.27 | robbiethe1st | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1216832&postcount=1053 won't work? |
| 23:55.46 | GeneralAntilles | 2nd glass of wine. |
| 23:55.50 | GeneralAntilles | MWKN is getting craaazyy |
| 23:57.34 | orangey | what's mwkn? |
| 23:57.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | robbiethe1st: iirc bootmenu is iterating across all the "plugin" scripts and expects each is returning some env values set to text of a menu that bootmenu displays then. An "app" like BM that basoically never returns wouldn't fit in |
| 23:57.52 | orangey | maemo weekly news? |
| 23:58.03 | GeneralAntilles | http://mwkn.net |
| 23:58.08 | robbiethe1st | Yeah/ See post |
| 23:58.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, this might actually work |
| 23:59.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | and after BM invokation you have to reboot anyway |
| 23:59.19 | robbiethe1st | Huh, for the first time, it worked! |
| 23:59.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | I looked into it back when, to find a way out of BM and into normal linux bootup |
| 23:59.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | which wasn't possible |
