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| 00:27.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~tmo |
| 00:27.19 | infobot | tmo is, like, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO, or trolls, morons, oxen |
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| 01:01.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | and for the record: #maemo chanops can do things about #maemo (like banning trolls). They however can NOT do anything about infobot's administration. Infobot is on 123 channels ATM, and usually factoids are global. Anybody messing with factoids who doesn't understand that situation will trigger infobot admin action to protect infobot's factoid database from fools messing with it. General policy on infobot is users behave fair against |
| 01:01.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | previously existing factoids, not deleting them because they think they know better. If admins find some user violating this policy, they lock factoids. |
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| 01:02.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | and finally: I'm able to put infobot hat on now, and #maemo cahnop hat on in 30s. If I wasn't able to manage distinct domains without mixing them up, I could neither do anything for maemo, nor for freenode, nor for my employer who happens to be a competitior of Nokia |
| 01:03.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | and childs insulting me for no reason on IRC earn a /ignore. Done |
| 01:06.18 | ShadowJK | ignore is nice |
| 01:07.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | indeed. I could as well be an asshat and kick the one who insulted me |
| 01:07.49 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer51, well fuck you |
| 01:08.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | but gently, please! |
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| 01:08.31 | ShadowJK | (because chanops are really bad if personal attacks/issues affect channel wide things) |
| 01:09.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's why I'm not doing that |
| 01:09.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | however he insulted me on my function as chanop |
| 01:09.46 | ShadowJK | That's part of the deal |
| 01:10.27 | ShadowJK | I think it's one of the reasons that freenode discourages public chanop display |
| 01:10.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | blaming me for doing administration of infobot the "wrong way", while completely ignoring that infobot admin is totally unrelated to chanop |
| 01:12.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | cackles imagining he would've insulted crashanddie that nonsensical way |
| 01:13.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/he/that guy/ |
| 01:13.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh |
| 01:13.36 | ShadowJK | Yeah well, crashanddie is like that drug addcit from police academy, except worse. Worse in the way that he doesn't speak english, and just randomly decides what something means, and then reacts on it. |
| 01:15.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway, gals and gents, this day didn't convince me to increase my efforts to keep maemo and the community alive |
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| 01:15.49 | ShadowJK | Hey you should do what I do, scroll past the stuff too boring/wtf to read :P |
| 01:18.30 | GeneralAntilles | ^ good policy |
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| 01:27.06 | Estel_ | Still i think that current content for TMO factoid is quite childlish, but... |
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| 01:27.31 | ShadowJK | Well, you can change it :) |
| 01:27.39 | Estel_ | also, I don'tr buy the "chanop and infobot admin is two person!", when both privileges are in one person's hand |
| 01:27.40 | Estel_ | no, I can't |
| 01:27.48 | ShadowJK | oh :( |
| 01:27.56 | Estel_ | infobot: TMO is http://talk.maemo.org |
| 01:27.56 | infobot | cannot alter locked factoids, Estel_ |
| 01:28.09 | Estel_ | ~factinfo tmo |
| 01:28.09 | infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 01:28.09 | infobot | tmo -- created by Mece <~mece@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe3fdc00-44.dhcp.inet.fi> at Mon Jun 14 16:09:21 2010 (718 days); last modified 57m 45s ago by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 27 times, last by DocScrutinizer51, 1h 50s ago; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer. |
| 01:28.29 | ShadowJK | infobot: no, tmo is bla |
| 01:28.29 | infobot | ShadowJK: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 01:28.33 | ShadowJK | aw :( |
| 01:28.59 | Estel_ | as "average user",. i don'tcare how administrating stuff on this channel are divided - if DocScrutinizer51 locked it and keep privilleges, then refuse to change it, it's same to me :( |
| 01:29.40 | ShadowJK | Re channel / network administration, I believe that once/if you involve yourself in a conversation/debate, you automatically make your admin/chanop authority void :P |
| 01:30.12 | Estel_ | addint bunch of things from wikipedia, and still keeping "trolls, morons and oxies" at the end is just childlish. i'm not going to write more about that |
| 01:30.41 | Estel_ | I hope, as long time ago, i was threatened by kick, just for having other point of view on bq27x00_battery patch than DocScrutinizer51 :p |
| 01:31.06 | Estel_ | but it was long ago, in galaxy far, far away... ;) |
| 01:31.22 | ShadowJK | What was that view? |
| 01:31.48 | ShadowJK | And what was the patch even |
| 01:31.58 | Estel_ | path was wrong |
| 01:32.07 | ShadowJK | path or patch |
| 01:32.14 | Estel_ | patch, sorry. |
| 01:32.47 | Estel_ | well, it was sysfs entry to enable dangerous patch allowing people to restart bme while bq27x00 is active |
| 01:32.53 | Estel_ | You actually participated in those discussion |
| 01:33.09 | Estel_ | I keep my POV that everyone is free to mess on his/her device, if enabling this sysfs entry on purpose |
| 01:33.20 | Estel_ | while I agree that method to achieve it (patch) is totally wrong |
| 01:33.40 | Estel_ | and would never ever enable it on my device again, since i know what it does, actually |
| 01:33.57 | GeneralAntilles | Estel_, so qgil can never be a normal community person since he works for Nokia, right? |
| 01:33.58 | Estel_ | well, it was rather ideological discussion about freedom vs "we know what is best for You better" ;0 |
| 01:34.18 | ShadowJK | Well, consider that the previously Nokia Sponsored MeeGo kernel and Nokia Sponsored MeeGo userspace bits specifically enabled bme to start before the kernel module, and after that userspace gained info from the kernel module, not bme :-) |
| 01:34.20 | Estel_ | he can, as long as we ask him to provide missing source code for GPL'ed package ;) |
| 01:35.08 | ShadowJK | Which is roughly similar situation to "dangerous patch" |
| 01:35.14 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, if qgil wil lsay "I wont respond, as I'm currently private person, try again, maybe You'll hit moment when I'm Nokia man" |
| 01:35.26 | Estel_ | s/lsay/will say/ |
| 01:35.32 | Estel_ | it would be wrong |
| 01:35.45 | Estel_ | if DocScrutinizer51 tells me "I won't fix infobot, cause I'm mentally chanop now", it's wrong also |
| 01:35.51 | Estel_ | but, I promised to not talk about it anymore ;) |
| 01:35.56 | Estel_ | resssist... |
| 01:36.02 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, true |
| 01:36.15 | Estel_ | OTOH, there was couple of packages depending on this |
| 01:36.34 | Estel_ | I agree that it was dangerous path, but enabling ti via sysfs entry was optional and someone would need to read about it |
| 01:36.40 | Estel_ | before actually knowing way to achieve. |
| 01:36.46 | Estel_ | +, bit was just persojal opinion, no insults... |
| 01:37.13 | Estel_ | so I think threatening with kick was quite out of line. But, as i've said, it was long ago, and in fact only today's situation made me remember about it again |
| 01:37.28 | ShadowJK | <ShadowJK> Re channel / network administration, I believe that once/if you involve yourself in a conversation/debate, you automatically make your admin/chanop authority void :P |
| 01:38.13 | ShadowJK | Also one of the reasons I rarely, if ever, accept chanop/netop duties anymore :P |
| 01:38.21 | Estel_ | hey, so policeman, while seeing robbery, can tell everyone around "From now on, for 5 minutes, i'm private person"? |
| 01:38.25 | Estel_ | (re GeneralAntilles) |
| 01:38.45 | Estel_ | heh, kinda way of avvoiding such situations (ShadowJK) |
| 01:39.14 | ShadowJK | Well yeah, ideally a chanop has no knowledge of the subject matter at hand :P |
| 01:39.38 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, also, i'm sure, that factoid like: |
| 01:39.39 | Estel_ | ~hen |
| 01:39.40 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, hen is piece of crap written by idiots and morons to fry other's people N900's! beware! |
| 01:39.51 | Estel_ | ...would be fixed by DocScrutinizer51 in 0,5 seconds |
| 01:39.54 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 01:40.00 | Estel_ | that why I've written about double standards |
| 01:40.10 | Estel_ | infobot: no, hen is Hostmode-Easy-Now |
| 01:40.10 | infobot | okay, Estel_ |
| 01:40.35 | Estel_ | *especially* while locked |
| 01:40.38 | ShadowJK | Good thing you're on his ignore and he wont know who triggered that ;P |
| 01:40.45 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 01:41.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeras, it's going to be locked now, because an idiot is violating infobot policy |
| 01:41.29 | ShadowJK | lols |
| 01:41.40 | Estel_ | infobot: no, hen is hostmode-easy-now, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232 |
| 01:41.40 | infobot | Estel_: okay |
| 01:42.18 | Estel_ | oh, so calling (all) members of TMO morons, oxied, and trolls is in line with infobot policy... |
| 01:42.30 | Estel_ | and calling hostmode crap written by morons isn't? |
| 01:42.37 | Estel_ | nice to know, will need to write it somewhere |
| 01:42.55 | Estel_ | I'm really, really fed up with this topic, already :/ |
| 01:42.58 | ShadowJK | aw, cool it |
| 01:43.15 | Estel_ | sure thing, I'm going to focus on work |
| 01:43.26 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 01:43.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | oops, nope, no violation of any policy, so have fun fellas, while i'm doing real stuff |
| 01:43.45 | ShadowJK | nice |
| 01:43.58 | Estel_ | ...and everyone lived hapilly, from so on. |
| 01:44.12 | Estel_ | .until divorce. |
| 01:44.30 | ShadowJK | Two cross hackers each retreating into their workroom to do work instead of attacking eachother, what's better |
| 01:44.45 | Estel_ | :) |
| 01:44.59 | ShadowJK | Estel_, quiet you, you're ruining the pretend equilibrium |
| 01:45.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | errr? ShadowJK what you're talking about? |
| 01:46.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~factinfo hen |
| 01:46.15 | infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 01:46.15 | infobot | hen -- created by Estel_ <~Estel@lagrange.cloud-7.de> 2h 32m 11s ago; last modified 4m 35s ago by Estel_!~Estel@lagrange.cloud-7.de; it has been requested 8 times, last by Estel_, 6m 36s ago. |
| 01:46.50 | ShadowJK | My aunt has hens |
| 01:46.52 | Estel_ | ~hen |
| 01:46.52 | infobot | it has been said that hen is hostmode-easy-now, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232 |
| 01:47.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | see, created by estel. So no need for bot admin to waste time on that shite |
| 01:47.54 | Estel_ | and that concludes equilibrium? :( |
| 01:49.31 | Estel_ | ~annihilation |
| 01:49.31 | infobot | methinks annihilation is when DocScrutinizer and Estel meet in IRC to have some ideological discussion |
| 01:50.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~part |
| 01:50.04 | infobot | /part |
| 01:50.13 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 01:50.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~quit |
| 01:50.24 | infobot | No! You quit! |
| 01:50.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah |
| 01:50.41 | Estel_ | ~lol |
| 01:50.41 | infobot | hmm... lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
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| 06:37.25 | minde | na ir naujienos sendiena |
| 06:37.59 | minde | ups, sorry |
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| 08:56.02 | eddyb | how can I get a recent gcc on maemo? |
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| 09:09.56 | andre47 | eddyb: in SDK? Wouldn't that also require recompiling really everything else? |
| 09:10.42 | eddyb | so, should I switch to mer/tizen? |
| 09:11.06 | eddyb | I haven't found anything on tizen, but mer (as Nemo) has an external SD card installation guide |
| 09:20.04 | eddyb | please don't tell me I bricked this thing with uboot |
| 09:20.22 | andre47 | eddyb, well, Maemo is rather dead. Cannot recommend anything as I don't know what you want to do. |
| 09:20.22 | eddyb | nope, just slow booting as always |
| 09:20.35 | andre47 | uboot worked for me when I installed it three weeks ago on an N900 |
| 09:20.41 | andre47 | (and Mer in parallel) |
| 09:20.56 | eddyb | yepp, didn't break |
| 09:21.32 | eddyb | omg, I thought "rebooting eats your battery" wasn't that bad |
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| 09:29.19 | eddyb | and I only have 1GB microSD cards, not enough for mer |
| 09:31.20 | fastlane`` | 16gb microsd is not enough for mer :o |
| 09:31.21 | fastlane`` | ? |
| 09:31.46 | eddyb | can't you read? |
| 09:31.48 | eddyb | 1GB |
| 09:32.08 | fastlane`` | dyslexic eeek |
| 09:32.15 | fastlane`` | see :) |
| 09:32.35 | fastlane`` | i read it 3 times though |
| 09:33.21 | eddyb | oh, mkay |
| 09:33.36 | eddyb | although... why does it need 4GB? |
| 09:34.10 | eddyb | the .bz2 file is ~300MB |
| 09:34.13 | Termana | eddyb, your 16gb microsd is not enough for mer? |
| 09:34.19 | Termana | sorry I had to :p |
| 09:34.35 | eddyb | that means there are about 3.5GB of zeroes |
| 09:34.49 | eddyb | (that's what .bz2 is used for, usually) |
| 09:35.34 | Termana | anyway, I think that it doesn't actually have to. They have just taken an image of it installed on a microsd card. If you mounted it by loopback and copied it over appropriately then you don't need that big of an sd card (likely) |
| 09:36.13 | eddyb | the question is - does it have/need a boot sector? |
| 09:36.32 | Termana | No |
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| 09:36.59 | eddyb | oh, then they could have just as well made a .tar.gz of the contents |
| 09:37.43 | Termana | Yes, but somehow they have the impression that it's easier for installation if you have it as an image (I believe that was what was said the last time I bugged them about it) |
| 09:37.57 | eddyb | seriously? |
| 09:38.03 | eddyb | rather than copy-paste? |
| 09:41.49 | eddyb | hmm, what was the tool for managing partitions? |
| 09:42.33 | eddyb | the MBR ones |
| 09:45.45 | eddyb | oh, yast can manage loopback files, but they're called "crypt files" |
| 09:45.51 | eddyb | damn translations |
| 09:47.32 | eddyb | seriously? can't I use an unencrypted loopback file? |
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| 10:12.33 | eddyb | Termana: I knew there was a reason they made it like this, it's a three-partition microSD image |
| 10:12.56 | eddyb | there's an ext(2, I think) partition, a swap one and a FAT32 one |
| 10:13.34 | eddyb | the swap is 8GB, a bit excessive |
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| 11:28.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok, time to swipe some potential threats off my server |
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| 11:30.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | I mean, I must be a poor system admin when I keep users on my server which have a record to abuse all kinds of IT infra and act hostile against admins/operators |
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| 11:35.45 | Vib3 | hehe |
| 11:36.15 | Vib3 | depends on who has made that list |
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| 11:52.48 | eddyb | omg mer/Nemo uses zypper :D |
| 11:53.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | what else? |
| 11:53.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | and what's wrong with zypper? |
| 11:54.06 | eddyb | :D means I'm happy |
| 11:54.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-) |
| 11:54.24 | eddyb | also, in another channel: <eddyb> thank God, finally something decent, apt-get was killing me |
| 11:54.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | hehe |
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| 12:04.39 | chem|st | *yawn* |
| 12:07.12 | chem|st | eddyb: as you just mention nemo, got a link handy for sdcard install? |
| 12:07.52 | chem|st | without uboot |
| 12:11.07 | eddyb | nope, didn't find anything like that |
| 12:11.18 | chem|st | hmm |
| 12:11.20 | eddyb | wait, sd card as in external microSD? |
| 12:11.26 | eddyb | you can't do that without uboot |
| 12:11.38 | chem|st | yes |
| 12:12.05 | chem|st | well a modified kernel like with meego handset would be nice for a tryout |
| 12:12.50 | eddyb | just install uboot-pr13 |
| 12:13.13 | eddyb | and you can put anything you want on that microSD (that is compatible with the device) and try it |
| 12:14.15 | chem|st | had horrible experiences with uboot back in 2012 |
| 12:14.17 | chem|st | 2010 |
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| 12:49.08 | eddyb | chem|st: it works fine now, except it can't find my microSD card |
| 12:52.51 | chem|st | hehe |
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| 12:56.40 | eddyb | chem|st: it was the charger being connected to USB, apparently |
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| 13:07.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | "it2 being what? |
| 13:07.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | "it" |
| 13:10.16 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer51: the problem |
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| 13:13.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, almost as helpful as "it = the event that happened at 14:53" |
| 13:14.11 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer51: just look at my message before that one |
| 13:14.14 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: sdcard was not recognized as the wallcharger was still connected |
| 13:14.23 | eddyb | "it works fine now, except it can't find my microSD card / it was the charger being connected to USB, apparently" |
| 13:15.20 | eddyb | in the first message it = uboot, in the second message it = the reason why the problem in the first message existed |
| 13:15.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, when fastcharger results in system entering mass storage mode, then there's sth buggy |
| 13:16.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway, too much communicative overhead to get involved in helping |
| 13:18.04 | eddyb | I got Nemo booting now |
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| 14:14.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, "980M of 27G; files processed: 10451 of 453865; time: 1:31.56, remaining 47:32.41; 170.34 kB/s" -- think I'd love this dlink would be able of gbit-ethernet |
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| 14:17.24 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer51: you'd love 10Mbps |
| 14:18.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | actually I think the bottleneck is source PC's CPU which is at 100% load on one of the 2 cores, probably for SSL of ssh |
| 14:19.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | connection is 100BT |
| 14:20.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | which vlearly should have lots of headroom to go better than 180kB/s |
| 14:20.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | clearly* |
| 14:21.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | not that it hurts me lots if this mirgration to new laptop takes another 3 days just to copy data |
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| 14:24.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | but maybe a loopmount of the diskimage of old PC on that external USB HDD would've done better |
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| 14:25.14 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer51: connect. mount. copy |
| 14:25.35 | eddyb | I once cloned my partitions, and it still took an hour |
| 14:25.57 | eddyb | you could check what exactly is using CPU |
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| 14:28.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | I already was to type "that's easy" - then I noticed friggin KDE system monitor process table doesn't make any sense. it doesn't show any CPU hogging processes |
| 14:28.49 | eddyb | lolz, what CPU? |
| 14:29.12 | eddyb | there's a small chance it's something in the kernel |
| 14:29.19 | eddyb | or the network adapter |
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| 14:33.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, seems it's nothing particular, just all ssh overhead together, plus fs overhead to open() etc all those 500k files |
| 14:34.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | copying a few >10MB files ramped bandwidth up to > 250kB/s |
| 14:34.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | ETA down to <30h now |
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| 14:37.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | killing two nspluginviewer processes ramped it up further to >275kB/s |
| 14:37.11 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer51: OH BIG FAIL THERE. you should've .tar.gz'd them before transfer |
| 14:37.26 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer51: lol, still having flash running? |
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| 14:37.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure, I'll tar up and gz the whole 27GB $HOME, on that disk that has 300MB free space |
| 14:38.20 | eddyb | sepparate /home partition? bad idea |
| 14:38.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | which, even if feasible due to free disk storage, would take days for itself |
| 14:38.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | no separate home partition, why do you think I had? |
| 14:38.59 | Woody14619 | What FS? |
| 14:39.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | ext3 on source, ext4 on dest |
| 14:39.14 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer51: oh, the $HOME thing, my bad |
| 14:40.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | using mc #sh:// fs to copy |
| 14:40.20 | eddyb | not sftp? |
| 14:40.22 | Woody14619 | hmm.. odd. wonder if cpio would have been faster? :) |
| 14:40.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | eddyb: I thinks it's scp, not sftp |
| 14:41.15 | eddyb | SFTP>SCP, IIRC |
| 14:41.19 | Woody14619 | mc is single-threaded, which slows it down a lot for tiny files. Lots of overhead in the open/close bits. |
| 14:41.21 | eddyb | like, SCP is older and slower |
| 14:41.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | Woody14619: yeah, but mc running on dest, which is at a relaxed 8% CPU load |
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| 14:42.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's the ssh "link" overhead in itself I guess |
| 14:43.05 | Woody14619 | right, but if it's setting up connections for each file as it goes to copy it, that's a lot of overhead... |
| 14:43.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, indeed |
| 14:43.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's why copying of 27G seems to take 25+ hours |
| 14:43.40 | eddyb | I think SFTP copy+paste would be faster |
| 14:43.51 | eddyb | and it should work on an already running SSH server |
| 14:44.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | on the bright side though it resumes even after pulling the ethernet cable and replugging it |
| 14:44.28 | Woody14619 | I think tar or cpio piped through a ssh connection would have been as well. :) |
| 14:45.19 | eddyb | am I the only one thinking how encryption is useless in this situation? |
| 14:45.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, ETA 15:36.37 |
| 14:45.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure it's useless |
| 14:46.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | but it's the only open service on that source PC |
| 14:46.09 | Woody14619 | At those speeds, a private bittorrent sever/client would be faster. :P |
| 14:46.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe :-D |
| 14:46.37 | eddyb | heck, connect the two computers with an ethernet cable, and pipe cpio through a TCP connection |
| 14:46.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | as mentioned above, I'm not in a hurry |
| 14:46.47 | Woody14619 | well... if it's no rush... makes more time for drinking. :) |
| 14:47.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | just idly watching and wondering |
| 14:47.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | for mere academic interest |
| 14:48.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | 513kB/s ETA 12h |
| 14:49.22 | kke | i've got a script in event.d that does cryptdisk start, even if i do cryptdisks start || initctl emit CRYPT_OK the next task says dependent task ended with exit code 1 (i want it to fail silently and load the non-luks home) |
| 14:50.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, interesting |
| 14:51.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | nfc about upstart |
| 14:52.08 | kke | i wonder if there's some strange try..catch thing that still gets the error code from timeouting cryptsetup |
| 14:52.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | ...and I heard it's quite some "fun" to debug |
| 14:52.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | kke: I guess you're close |
| 14:54.01 | kke | hmmm maybe if i modify the /etc/init.d/cryptdisks script to fail silently and test if the /dev/mapper -entry exists in the event.d script |
| 14:54.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | kke: sorry, noob here re cryptdisk |
| 14:55.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | but I think we got 2 or 3 users around here who played with that stuff on fremantle |
| 14:55.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | alas I can't exactly recall their nicks |
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| 14:56.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: were you one of them? |
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| 15:01.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | HAH, 6 of the 8GB RAM used for buffers :-), 1GB unused |
| 15:01.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | I kinda start to love that T500 |
| 15:03.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | age old unix saying: there's nothing to substitute real RAM, except more real RAM |
| 15:04.19 | SpeedEvil | deduplication. |
| 15:05.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | is just worried about suspend-to-disk, with RAM=8GB, swap=2GB |
| 15:06.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | wonders if nowadays suspend-to-disk creates a swapfile just for sole purpose to swap out RAM before suspend, and deletes same swapfile after resume |
| 15:08.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | but then, I think I've seen kernel boot msgs like "trying to resume from /dev/sda7" |
| 15:08.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | would quite defeat the purpose of any such swapfile approach, I guess |
| 15:10.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh, ETA 13h now, counting UP |
| 15:13.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | I probably should get rid eventually of all those backups inside backups inside backups inside backups ;-P |
| 15:14.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | wasn't there a tool to identify file of indetical content and arbitrary filenames, and 'clean' stuff out? |
| 15:15.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | files of identical...* |
| 15:17.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | ponders a hash table of filesizes, calculating md5sums for those filesizes where more than one file exists |
| 15:18.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | actually for those hashkeys that have more than one entry |
| 15:19.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | for the files with that hashkey from their size |
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| 15:27.42 | kke | could it be that event.d scripts aren't bash/ash/sh/whatever scripts at all |
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| 15:27.56 | kke | and that's why it fails |
| 15:28.35 | kke | have to move that stuff to a shellscript and execute that |
| 15:35.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | event.d are no shellscripts |
| 15:35.51 | kke | that might explain it |
| 15:37.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | it probably does :-) |
| 15:39.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | what really sucks in my copy-action are those files in ~user/ that are not even readable by user |
| 15:40.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | as each single one pops up a warning requester to ask whether to skip or retry, and another one to decide whether to keep or delete the copy |
| 15:43.45 | kke | ahhhh excellent |
| 15:45.19 | kke | now i got a fake home/user for finder/confiscater/jealous gf to wonder about and if i enter passphrase bilndly during boot it mounts the real home |
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| 15:49.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's pretty decent concept |
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| 15:50.07 | GuySoft | hey all, i have a N900 here and Canon EOS DSLR camera. is there a way to connect them with USB OTG? so i can upload pics from the camera? |
| 15:50.24 | Estel_ | GuySoft, of course |
| 15:50.46 | Estel_ | as long as it uses normal mass storage, not some propertiary closed shit |
| 15:50.50 | GuySoft | Estel_, i saw stuff about gphoto2, but nothing that seemed like it would work as easy |
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| 15:51.07 | SpeedEvil | GuySoft: Can you connect it to a normal PC, and mount it as storage - with no other software? |
| 15:51.37 | GuySoft | SpeedEvil, i am going to a demonstration in two hours, i dont want to take out the sd card and much about with it |
| 15:51.53 | GuySoft | also SpeedEvil , long time no see :) |
| 15:52.35 | Estel_ | GuySoft, You can use hostmode on N900 |
| 15:53.01 | Estel_ | then connect Your camera to it, as far as what I've askes - and SpeedEvil too - is valid |
| 15:53.06 | GuySoft | Estel_, I think it uses MTP or something, its not a simple storage |
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| 15:53.21 | SpeedEvil | hey |
| 15:53.37 | SpeedEvil | Then I'm unsure of how it'd work - MTP |
| 15:53.37 | Estel_ | as long as we have modules for it in kernel, or drivers, available on N900, it's ok |
| 15:53.44 | Estel_ | same here. |
| 15:53.53 | Estel_ | can You connect it to linuxbox? |
| 15:54.35 | Estel_ | if yes, try with N900 hostmode. If fail, determine which modules are missing (open source only) and ask Pali to include them in new version of kernel-power |
| 15:54.53 | Estel_ | ~hen |
| 15:54.53 | infobot | do ~hostmode and ~factinfo hostmode, this is your maemo council :-/ |
| 15:55.11 | Estel_ | eh, DocScrutinizer51 doing childlish things again |
| 15:55.22 | Estel_ | ~hostmode |
| 15:55.22 | infobot | well, hostmode is piece of crap written by morons to fry other people's devices! beware! |
| 15:55.30 | Estel_ | hm |
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| 15:55.51 | Estel_ | it seems that You won't get info about hostmode here, DocScrutinizer51 turned into masochist |
| 15:56.30 | Estel_ | ~factinfo hostmode |
| 15:56.30 | infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 15:56.30 | infobot | hostmode -- created by MohammadAG <~MohammadA@62.219.120.20> at Mon May 10 21:17:16 2010 (753 days); last modified 16h 34m 44s ago by Estel_!~Estel@lagrange.cloud-7.de; it has been requested 64 times, last by Estel_, 1m 8s ago; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer. |
| 15:57.16 | Estel_ | nice provocation, although, childlish as usual. |
| 15:57.52 | Estel_ | whatever, GuySoft, thanks to courtesy of our pathetic chanop, You must search TMO for hostmode manually. |
| 15:58.25 | Estel_ | ~factinfo tmo |
| 15:58.25 | infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 15:58.25 | infobot | tmo -- created by Mece <~mece@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe3fdc00-44.dhcp.inet.fi> at Mon Jun 14 16:09:21 2010 (718 days); last modified 15h 28m 1s ago by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 28 times, last by chem|st, 4h 55m 17s ago; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer. |
| 15:58.26 | GuySoft | Estel_, i did that before i came here :-/ |
| 15:58.33 | Estel_ | ~tmo |
| 15:58.34 | infobot | tmo is, like, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. |
| 15:58.46 | GuySoft | I think ill just have to cope with the fact that I'll have to upload the photos after the demo |
| 15:58.55 | Estel_ | well |
| 15:59.28 | Estel_ | alternatively, You can tell us about effects of trying hostmode |
| 15:59.50 | GuySoft | Estel_, I can't even get it to turn on - what packages do i need? |
| 16:00.08 | Estel_ | i.e. Your dmesg output |
| 16:00.18 | GuySoft | i am a n810 owner that got lent a n900, after i hard-bricked my Samsung Galaxy S 2.. so I am not sure where to go |
| 16:00.26 | GuySoft | Estel_, hmm let me look at that |
| 16:00.27 | Estel_ | what to turn on - hostmode, or camera. |
| 16:00.47 | Estel_ | GuySoft, install kernel-power and H-E-N package |
| 16:00.56 | Estel_ | then follow instructions for HEN |
| 16:01.48 | GuySoft | can't seem to get anything |
| 16:01.50 | Estel_ | sorry, need to go shopping now, but if You provide more details about step where You have problems, I'm sure others will help |
| 16:01.57 | GuySoft | ok |
| 16:02.04 | Estel_ | "get anything" is not very precise |
| 16:02.17 | Estel_ | learn instructions and tell us about step that fails for You |
| 16:05.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | GuySoft: find out about Canon EOS DSLR supported USB modes. I guess there's no support in maemo-fremantle (yet?) for this MTP or whatever protocol. but I'd expect Canon as well supports mass storage mode which should 'just work' with H-E-N |
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| 16:06.06 | jacekowski | MTP is what all new android phones do |
| 16:06.16 | jacekowski | instead of mass storage mode |
| 16:06.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | isn't it riddled by microsoft 'encryption" and authentication? |
| 16:07.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | hi jacekowski btw |
| 16:08.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | foggily recalls that awesome guy who did RE effort on it |
| 16:09.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | if that's even been this MTP |
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| 16:11.54 | Estel_ | GuySoft, sorry to say that, but Your camera is using worst possible, propertiary fucked up transfer system... |
| 16:12.07 | Estel_ | unless it can fall back to godly mass storage |
| 16:12.36 | Estel_ | on linux, You can use ligphoto2 libray to handle MTP |
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| 16:14.39 | GuySoft | Estel_, thats cannon for you.. |
| 16:15.17 | jacekowski | MTP is much better thing than mass storage |
| 16:15.44 | jacekowski | on mobile devices it means you can access files on computer and device |
| 16:15.47 | jacekowski | at the same time |
| 16:15.57 | jacekowski | you don't need old fat partition |
| 16:15.58 | jacekowski | or ntfs |
| 16:16.12 | jacekowski | but you can have native FS for that device |
| 16:16.27 | jacekowski | mass storage mode should have never existed for anything but external HDDs |
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| 16:20.51 | SpeedEvil | http://bash.org/?950581 - heh |
| 16:33.27 | Estel_ | jacekowski, yea, but, unfortunately, mtp is screwed at implementation level ;) |
| 16:33.49 | Estel_ | honestly, I hate very much every device that uses this crap, hiding real filesystem from me... |
| 16:34.04 | Estel_ | ...using closed clients, or whatsnot |
| 16:34.25 | jacekowski | you don't need closed clients |
| 16:34.35 | Estel_ | maybe mass storage shouldn't existed for other things than external hdd, but in practice, it's much less PITA |
| 16:34.50 | Estel_ | ok, maybe something changed. I remember creative zen using mtp... |
| 16:35.10 | Estel_ | and all headache it provided even on bare win xp, not to mention linux |
| 16:35.24 | jacekowski | well, there is only limited support for mtp on xp |
| 16:35.27 | Estel_ | so, what You would suggest for using mtp on N900? which modules we need? |
| 16:35.42 | jacekowski | but on linux mtp works like any other stuff |
| 16:35.45 | Estel_ | and linux, except for kde I/O? |
| 16:35.46 | jacekowski | you can just mount it |
| 16:36.04 | Estel_ | and perform operations on filesystem? |
| 16:36.10 | jacekowski | yes |
| 16:36.11 | jacekowski | mtpfs |
| 16:36.47 | Estel_ | ok, so I revoke what I've said - You mean that You're actually having control over *real* filesystem on device, instead virtual one? |
| 16:37.06 | Estel_ | I was sure than all filesystem things are handled, in reality, via device, not computer OS |
| 16:37.17 | Estel_ | and that it was purpose of MTP |
| 16:37.31 | Estel_ | i.e. "You get only what device allows You to get" |
| 16:37.33 | jacekowski | yes |
| 16:37.43 | jacekowski | yes |
| 16:37.53 | jacekowski | you can't mess with fs directly as such |
| 16:38.05 | jacekowski | but device can forward all calls pretty much |
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| 16:38.45 | Estel_ | isn't it limited by device's manufacturers, most of the time? |
| 16:38.46 | jacekowski | Estel_: but then on n900 you wouldn't have that problem of having 2G of space for apps and 30G mydocs |
| 16:39.08 | Estel_ | I have 5GB for apps and 10 for MyDocs ;) |
| 16:39.20 | jacekowski | it would be all 32G for apps/mydocs |
| 16:39.39 | jacekowski | and it woudn't have to be umounted to access it from PC |
| 16:39.40 | Estel_ | + I'm exporting encrypted truecrypt partitions to desktop, with all encryption done on N900 side |
| 16:39.50 | Estel_ | desktop sees it as normal mass storage |
| 16:40.04 | Estel_ | BTW, I don't unmount mydocs before accessing it from PC |
| 16:40.15 | jacekowski | yes you do |
| 16:40.17 | Estel_ | I just make sure than device doesn't write to it simulatenously |
| 16:40.19 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 16:40.25 | Estel_ | no, I don't |
| 16:40.27 | jacekowski | good luck with fucked up FS |
| 16:40.36 | Estel_ | using it for more than year |
| 16:40.42 | jacekowski | remouting rw doesn't clear inode cache |
| 16:40.44 | jacekowski | or anything |
| 16:40.45 | Estel_ | never *ever* any filesystem error on vfat |
| 16:41.03 | Estel_ | out of curiosity, I'm checking it periodicaly |
| 16:41.12 | jacekowski | but with MTP you could have rw access all the time |
| 16:41.18 | Estel_ | true. |
| 16:41.48 | Woody14619 | Off for the weekend. Be back Monday. |
| 16:41.55 | Estel_ | but, again, isn't messing with filesystem limited by manufacturer's of mtp devices, most of the time? |
| 16:42.05 | jacekowski | not really |
| 16:42.08 | Estel_ | i.e. they decide what to forward, and what not? |
| 16:42.13 | Estel_ | ok. |
| 16:42.14 | jacekowski | they can |
| 16:42.21 | jacekowski | but it depends on devices |
| 16:42.37 | jacekowski | on my phone i have access to / |
| 16:42.43 | jacekowski | by default |
| 16:42.50 | Estel_ | hm, and, BTW, isn't MTP propertiary/closed? royalty fees etc? |
| 16:42.56 | jacekowski | nope |
| 16:43.26 | Estel_ | so, it's licensed like what? |
| 16:43.58 | jacekowski | it's not |
| 16:44.01 | jacekowski | it's free for all |
| 16:44.10 | jacekowski | unlike fat that is licenced |
| 16:44.15 | Estel_ | everything is licensed some way, even if FFA ;) |
| 16:44.30 | Estel_ | either it's GPL'ed, BSD, or whatever |
| 16:44.52 | Estel_ | xipg ogg is licensed also, using FOSS way |
| 16:44.59 | Estel_ | how it looks with mtp? |
| 16:45.07 | Estel_ | can't find reliable data about it... |
| 16:45.15 | Estel_ | beside being standarized by USB foundation |
| 16:45.34 | Estel_ | and, again, how to use it properly on N900, like in GuySoft case? |
| 16:45.38 | jacekowski | well, specification is public and available for free |
| 16:45.46 | jacekowski | you would need mtpfs |
| 16:45.50 | Estel_ | what modules do we need to have compiled in kernel? |
| 16:45.51 | jacekowski | and libmtp |
| 16:45.53 | jacekowski | and libusb |
| 16:45.55 | jacekowski | on n900 |
| 16:46.02 | Estel_ | libusb? why so? |
| 16:46.14 | jacekowski | mtpfs is a fuse thing |
| 16:46.17 | Estel_ | hostmode and libmtp isn't enough? |
| 16:46.20 | Estel_ | I see. |
| 16:46.34 | jacekowski | libmtp requires libusb to talk to usb devices |
| 16:46.46 | Estel_ | understood |
| 16:46.55 | Estel_ | will talk with KP team about including it |
| 16:47.07 | Estel_ | mtpfs, I mean |
| 16:47.15 | eddyb | fake libusb should make that easier to RE :P |
| 16:47.16 | Estel_ | libmtp and libusb are in userland? |
| 16:47.39 | Estel_ | but why RE it, if it's open, according to jacekowski ? |
| 16:47.48 | Estel_ | or it isn't? |
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| 16:48.23 | Estel_ | afaik it's standarized by usb foundation, so all info should be available? or not? |
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| 17:08.59 | kke | any easy way to detect if lens cover is open via shellscript? |
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| 17:10.09 | eddyb | kke: might be implemented as an input device |
| 17:10.12 | eddyb | let me check |
| 17:10.29 | Estel_ | wow, I wasn't aware, that there are such lightweight irc bouncers as dircproxy or miau |
| 17:10.53 | Estel_ | it seems, that I can install it on WRT54GL's jffs2 even *without* doing sd card mod |
| 17:11.02 | Estel_ | miau is 50 kb 0_o |
| 17:14.17 | Pali | jacekowski, did you find something about nolo yesterday? |
| 17:14.35 | eddyb | kke: I found it |
| 17:15.09 | kke | cool |
| 17:15.59 | eddyb | cat /dev/input/by-path/platform-gpio-keys-event |
| 17:16.13 | kke | nice |
| 17:16.55 | eddyb | lens cover, keyboard being extended, the two-state photo button, the volume buttons, the lock slider |
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| 17:22.47 | kke | but i don't have such path |
| 17:23.02 | kke | there's only keypad, pwrbutton and ts |
| 17:24.29 | eddyb | well, right now I'm on Mer |
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| 17:26.04 | kke | cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_shutter/state # (open / closed) |
| 17:27.20 | eddyb | seriously? |
| 17:27.30 | eddyb | kke: I guess that works better for you :P |
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| 18:24.58 | vi__ | what is the resolution of the n900 screen? |
| 18:25.31 | vi__ | 800x480 |
| 18:27.49 | Pali | vi__, yes |
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| 18:40.02 | kke | moving MyDocs/DCIM to /home/user/DCIM doesn't quite seem to work |
| 18:40.13 | kke | i have no idea where my pic got saved now |
| 18:40.23 | kke | not into the DCIM atleast |
| 18:41.28 | kke | and i was thinking about symlinking it from MyDocs but it's vfat so no go |
| 18:41.49 | eddyb | kke: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:42.46 | kke | make camera save pics to /home/user/DCIM instead of MyDocs/DCIM |
| 18:42.56 | eddyb | why? |
| 18:43.08 | eddyb | have you tried looking for some configs? |
| 18:43.16 | eddyb | maybe it's not hardcoded into the app |
| 18:43.19 | kke | because my home/user is encrypted |
| 18:43.30 | kke | it's in .config/user-dirs.dirs |
| 18:43.52 | eddyb | you can make MyDocs be a regular directory btw |
| 18:43.54 | kke | i changed it but pics still don't go there |
| 18:44.15 | eddyb | like, you can disable mounting for it |
| 18:44.22 | eddyb | and then it will be encrypted |
| 18:44.52 | eddyb | you can set the mount dir for the FAT partition somewhere else |
| 18:44.57 | eddyb | check /etc/fstab |
| 18:45.42 | hiemanshu | /etc/fstab isnt followed |
| 18:45.51 | hiemanshu | its hard coded |
| 18:45.55 | eddyb | hiemanshu: are you kidding me? |
| 18:45.58 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 18:46.19 | eddyb | hardcoded vfat->/home/user/MyDocs mount? |
| 18:46.34 | kke | something autogenerates fstab |
| 18:46.41 | kke | if you change it, it will be overwritten on boot |
| 18:46.51 | kke | but i'd like to keep MyDocs as t is |
| 18:46.59 | kke | and just store the camera pics somewhere else |
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| 18:47.10 | hiemanshu | kke: softlink |
| 18:47.14 | b-man` | hey guys :) |
| 18:47.18 | eddyb | hiemanshu: vfat |
| 18:47.43 | hiemanshu | oh yeah, i keep forgetting that |
| 18:48.35 | eddyb | we thought about links in FAT at pedigree, didn't come up with a solution better than some sort of database |
| 18:49.59 | kke | can i mount to dir on vfat? |
| 18:50.28 | kke | then i could just mount dcim there from a container or something |
| 18:50.33 | eddyb | kke: I just thought of that |
| 18:51.51 | eddyb | but I don't think you can really do it |
| 18:52.00 | eddyb | like, in a way that's useful to you |
| 18:53.51 | kke | well i could just remount my /home/user to that DCIM and have the pics in user's root |
| 18:54.05 | kke | let's try |
| 18:55.00 | hiemanshu | you can make a new partition at the end and add it to startup script to mount the partition to that folder |
| 18:58.28 | kke | i'm ok with having them in root of /home/user for now |
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| 18:59.50 | eddyb | wait |
| 19:00.08 | eddyb | maybe you can replace the FAT32 partition with an ext one |
| 19:00.18 | kke | too much trouble |
| 19:00.48 | eddyb | and it would mount ext |
| 19:00.51 | hiemanshu | lol dont do that |
| 19:00.52 | eddyb | that you could encrypt |
| 19:00.58 | eddyb | hiemanshu: why? |
| 19:01.13 | hiemanshu | eddyb: hard-coded, wont work |
| 19:01.14 | eddyb | does the hardcoded fstab use "vfat"? |
| 19:01.17 | eddyb | damn |
| 19:03.47 | hiemanshu | eddyb: http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash |
| 19:05.39 | eddyb | too fugly |
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| 19:11.55 | orangey | hello all! |
| 19:12.02 | orangey | any idea if syncevolution supports single ICS files? |
| 19:12.19 | Cor-Ai | 3 |
| 19:12.31 | Cor-Ai | hmm.. wrong window |
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| 19:20.20 | vi__ | fstab is not hardcoded as such. |
| 19:20.31 | vi__ | It is just autogenerated on each boot. |
| 19:20.40 | vi__ | From a specific set of rules. |
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| 19:29.00 | Estel_ | vi__, any way to change path where photos are stored? |
| 19:29.08 | Estel_ | I would love to move them to my encrypted truecrypt partition... |
| 19:29.14 | Estel_ | although. You know, vfat and symlinks... ;) |
| 19:37.38 | vi__ | camera-ui2? |
| 19:37.47 | Pali | Estel_, I pushed new version of bootmenu to extras-devel & extras-testing |
| 19:38.07 | fizzie | A bind mount might technically work too. (Isn't that what /opt is?) |
| 19:38.20 | vi__ | just about to say tah |
| 19:38.21 | Pali | with fixed evkey symlink |
| 19:38.23 | vi__ | that |
| 19:38.29 | vi__ | you have 2 choices. |
| 19:38.49 | vi__ | Alter camera-ui2 source to accept a path to store photos. |
| 19:39.12 | vi__ | (the preferal solution) |
| 19:39.42 | vi__ | 2. you could bind mount it. |
| 19:39.59 | vi__ | Look up 'crazy mounting shit all over the place' thread that I wrote some time ago. |
| 19:40.56 | Pali | I promoted bootmenu package to extras-testing |
| 19:41.01 | vi__ | Bear in mind though, when you bind mount somthing to either SD card directory or MyDocs directory you will have to unmount it before you can export it via USB. (the directory that is) |
| 19:42.24 | vi__ | Pali: Get in my son! |
| 19:42.49 | Pali | after testing vote for moving to extras: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/bootmenu/1.12/ |
| 19:43.12 | vi__ | ~tmo |
| 19:43.12 | infobot | from memory, tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. |
| 19:43.29 | vi__ | ~t-mo |
| 19:43.29 | infobot | rumour has it, t-mo is T-Mobile |
| 19:45.21 | vi__ | ~buttocks |
| 19:45.55 | vi__ | ~nards |
| 19:47.16 | vi__ | ~cornholio |
| 19:47.16 | infobot | apt is THE GREAT CORNHOLIO!!! |
| 19:47.58 | vi__ | ~infobot |
| 19:47.59 | infobot | rumour has it, infobot is happy, or a liar |
| 19:48.09 | vi__ | ~infobot |
| 19:48.09 | infobot | methinks infobot is happy, or a liar |
| 19:48.18 | vi__ | hello infobot |
| 19:48.57 | Pali | WTF? |
| 19:49.18 | Pali | somebody has my account name on maemo.org! |
| 19:49.29 | vi__ | ?? |
| 19:49.32 | Pali | see voting on: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/bootmenu/1.12/ |
| 19:49.43 | Pali | there is 3x vote from my name |
| 19:50.29 | Pali | vi__, see ^^^ |
| 19:51.42 | vi__ | that package has 0 out of 6 votes |
| 19:52.30 | Pali | I see 3 of 6 |
| 19:52.54 | vi__ | oh wait, now I see them. |
| 19:53.11 | vi__ | They all appeared at EXACTLY the same time. |
| 19:53.21 | Pali | but how? |
| 19:53.32 | vi__ | Maybe because you are such a badass, when you vote it is like 3 mortal votes? |
| 19:55.14 | Estel_ | hahaha |
| 19:55.24 | Estel_ | it seems that Pali is supertester without knowing it |
| 19:55.35 | vi__ | how can i be a supertester? |
| 19:55.40 | Pali | it is really intereting... DocScrutinizer wrote that maemo.org does not working correctly in weekends... |
| 19:55.48 | Estel_ | vi___, thanks a lot, aso we actually can mount -o bind things from vfat? good to know |
| 19:56.03 | Estel_ | Pali, DocScrutinizer51 wrote many things, and 90% of them are bullshit nowadays :( |
| 19:56.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's just a common observation |
| 19:56.18 | Estel_ | lemme investigate |
| 19:56.28 | Pali | DocScrutinizer51, see votes on: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/bootmenu/1.12/ |
| 19:56.48 | Estel_ | it seems, that You've clicked 3 times ;) |
| 19:56.48 | Pali | it is bug? |
| 19:57.10 | Pali | but it is not possible to vote for one package more times |
| 19:57.20 | Estel_ | looks like bug |
| 19:57.29 | Estel_ | or really you're super-duper tester |
| 19:57.47 | vi__ | Estel_: technically you mount TO position in file system. |
| 19:57.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | I know I'm always sending multiple comments on that packages page, as the web interface is so slow |
| 19:58.55 | Pali | Estel_, then we could find way how to reproduce this bug and tell about it to people which can be super super super testers :D |
| 19:59.03 | Estel_ | :D |
| 19:59.07 | Estel_ | yea, single vote = promotion |
| 19:59.13 | Estel_ | if supertester have double vote... |
| 19:59.15 | Estel_ | x3... |
| 19:59.24 | Estel_ | lemme tyr to reproduce it |
| 19:59.56 | Pali | instant promotion :-) |
| 20:00.17 | Estel_ | can't reproduce |
| 20:00.23 | spark666 | hey i need a quick answer,i want to install easy debian,whats the difference between "Este" and "sulu" images? |
| 20:00.23 | Estel_ | it seems you'r ejust super powa |
| 20:00.37 | spark666 | estel* |
| 20:00.52 | Estel_ | ? |
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| 20:01.10 | Estel_ | spark666, Estel's image contain LibreOffice |
| 20:01.13 | Estel_ | and chromium |
| 20:01.20 | Estel_ | while sulu's image contain neither |
| 20:01.30 | spark666 | and sulu?whats the more closer to full debian? |
| 20:01.37 | Estel_ | none is "closer" |
| 20:01.42 | spark666 | so estel its better,contains more |
| 20:01.51 | spark666 | i mean in the term of more features |
| 20:01.51 | Estel_ | sulu image was posted before mine, so You may consider mine kinda "updated" |
| 20:02.09 | Estel_ | but, if You want barebone edition, You have less uninstall using sulus |
| 20:02.10 | spark666 | ohh so estel its yours,nice ! |
| 20:02.22 | Estel_ | :) thanks a lot, I hope it will work for You as supposed :p |
| 20:02.31 | Estel_ | yea, surprise, judging by name?;) |
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| 20:02.59 | Estel_ | if You want more features, use mine, as it contain LibreOffice and Chromium. If You don't use those, install sulu's |
| 20:03.05 | spark666 | nope,i was thinking about that since i dont belive in coincidences :P |
| 20:03.37 | spark666 | damn! i closed the terminal by mistake =))) |
| 20:05.06 | Estel_ | anyone here got experiences with optware? |
| 20:05.17 | Estel_ | as nslu2-general channel seems quite dead |
| 20:05.40 | spark666 | Estel_: anyway ill be back to tell you if it work.Tnx one more time for answers and your contribution.cheers! |
| 20:05.50 | Estel_ | no problem, have fun :) |
| 20:08.38 | vi__ | biltong is good |
| 20:08.50 | vi__ | ~biltong |
| 20:12.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | friggin amazing I can restart sshd via ssh login and even change the ssh-port, and still the established ssh login shell stays ;-D |
| 20:14.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | I guess sshd is spawning an independent process for each active login session, and that process survives restart and even reconfig of server |
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| 20:29.21 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer51: old |
| 20:29.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe, but every time a nice surprise |
| 20:30.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe this less 'old': sftp 3 times faster than rsync |
| 20:31.01 | r00t|home | rather, everytime you restart xdm from your xsession, you're in for an unpleasant surprise |
| 20:31.04 | r00t|home | for what use-case? |
| 20:31.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | for copying 27GB |
| 20:31.21 | r00t|home | in a single file or 2mil files? |
| 20:31.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | 2E6 files |
| 20:31.41 | r00t|home | the fastest: tarpipe via tcp |
| 20:32.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, several such suggestions since some hours now ;-) I had several resumes though as well |
| 20:32.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | as this friggin hw is not all rock solid |
| 20:32.43 | r00t|home | then rsync is kinda superior |
| 20:32.51 | Estel_ | yea, managed to install optware in my 1024 KB jffs2 space of wrt54GL :D |
| 20:32.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | so even this awesome sftp stalled after maybe 60% accomplished |
| 20:33.01 | r00t|home | but more efficient on a single large file probably |
| 20:33.15 | Estel_ | and dircproxy, then, I have even 300 kb of space left :P |
| 20:33.20 | Estel_ | that's minimalism. |
| 20:33.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | this 3 times figure is from xfer speed on files >100MB |
| 20:33.58 | Estel_ | fully working irc bouncer using 70 kb of space (optware itself uses rest :P) |
| 20:34.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | where sftp maxes out the 100BT cable, while rsync stalls at ~3MB |
| 20:34.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | MB/s |
| 20:34.28 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer51: cpu-bound on either end? |
| 20:34.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, on source |
| 20:34.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | 100% load on one of both cores |
| 20:34.59 | r00t|home | remember that rsync does lots of fancy hashing, unlike sftp |
| 20:35.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 20:35.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | I gues that's the price you pay for smart resume and sync |
| 20:36.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | probably a dd via a TCP connection to a diskimage on the destination machine woul've been accomplished 6h ago |
| 20:37.53 | r00t|home | dd is useless |
| 20:40.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, if I'm willing to take the risk of "fs corrupted" on that disk image, then it isn't |
| 20:41.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | loopmount the image, run fschk |
| 20:41.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | fsck |
| 20:41.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | and would even allow ultra-easy resume ;-P |
| 20:42.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | as it's one single "file" after all |
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| 20:42.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | dd if=/dev/sda6|socat |
| 20:43.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | socat|dd of=~/oldPCbackup/sda6.img |
| 20:44.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | if it stalls, just resume on the position in dev/sda6 where it did |
| 20:45.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure you never should do backups from live fs |
| 20:47.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | home/jr/Documents/N900/N950/Linux_OCF_22-6_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin |
| 20:47.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | home/jr/Documents/N900/N950/Linux_OCF_22-6_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916__shortened_version.bin |
| 20:47.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:49.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | sftp gets all that's available from 100BT for such files - which is sth >11MB/s |
| 21:04.35 | Estel_ | hey, little question |
| 21:04.41 | Estel_ | I've some program in /opt/bin |
| 21:04.50 | Estel_ | I know it's sitting there, as it should |
| 21:04.53 | Estel_ | PATH is properly exported |
| 21:05.23 | Estel_ | I also see my program while using autocomplete via tab |
| 21:05.27 | Estel_ | yet, when I run it, I see |
| 21:05.36 | Estel_ | -sh: dircproxy: not found |
| 21:05.53 | Estel_ | what the hell? something still missing from path? |
| 21:06.09 | Estel_ | I'm logged as root on router, then /opt/bin is added to PATH properly |
| 21:06.10 | Estel_ | wtf? |
| 21:07.54 | merlin1991 | +x ? |
| 21:11.59 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: yes |
| 21:13.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: ? |
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| 21:25.44 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: messing with cryptdisk |
| 21:26.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah |
| 21:28.03 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: btw the answere to 16GB RAM hibernation is a RAM - Cache - buffers sized swap |
| 21:29.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure |
| 21:29.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | and mine is only 2GB while RAM are 8GB |
| 21:29.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | btw this equation is correct only as long as no swao already used |
| 21:29.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | swap* |
| 21:30.25 | chem|st | for a "normal" system a healthy swap is like 4-6GB, I have 9.5GB but I have no usual system... with iceweasel and 2 terminals I have 3GB used... |
| 21:30.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | and I already thought WTF when the installer of this distro suggested this partitioning |
| 21:31.06 | chem|st | your new notebook? |
| 21:31.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | I might need to repartition |
| 21:31.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 21:31.24 | chem|st | well my netbooks swap is 2GB aswel |
| 21:31.26 | chem|st | l |
| 21:32.08 | chem|st | cannot hibernate my desktop if swaps lower than 4GB though |
| 21:33.01 | chem|st | xmas I had to break my 340 days uptime for a damn kernel upgrade... |
| 21:33.21 | chem|st | netbook this is |
| 21:38.58 | Estel_ | merlin1991, no, it's +x already |
| 21:39.04 | Estel_ | without it, it would say "permission denied" |
| 21:39.31 | Estel_ | merlin1991, it turned out that - probably uclibc is incompatible |
| 21:39.48 | Estel_ | could install update one, but it's 800 kb, and I have 700 kb free in jffs2 total :p |
| 21:40.02 | Estel_ | ... and I wanted to only run 70 kb dircproxy :P |
| 21:40.09 | Estel_ | could compile it staticaly, or |
| 21:40.23 | Estel_ | take my soldering iron and finally do SD card mod to my wrt54GL |
| 21:41.16 | Estel_ | then drop here 1 or 2 GB Sd card and say gtfo to space constrains |
| 21:41.24 | Estel_ | ... and run LibreOffice from my router :P |
| 21:41.26 | Estel_ | (joke) |
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| 23:53.42 | LaoLang_cool | Does busybox have vi mode? |
| 23:53.57 | psychologe | yes |
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| 23:54.55 | SpeedEvil | vi is one of the modules it may have |
| 23:55.03 | SpeedEvil | I have one system without even 'ls' in busybox. |
| 23:56.33 | psychologe | without ls ?you can copy easy debian "ls " to maemo,it can work to |
| 23:57.12 | LaoLang_cool | SpeedEvil, I mean vi mode, not vi app itself |
| 23:57.13 | SpeedEvil | not maemo. |
| 23:57.15 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 23:57.27 | LaoLang_cool | In other shell, set -o vi can enable it |
| 23:57.37 | LaoLang_cool | But it doesn't work in busybox |
| 23:58.24 | chem|st | LaoLang_cool: how about installing bash? |
| 23:58.58 | LaoLang_cool | chem|st, doens't want another shell, busybox is good enough |
| 23:59.18 | chem|st | well I want what I am used to |
| 23:59.18 | SpeedEvil | Some MIPS thing with 6M of RAM, and 2.6.8 kernel. |
| 23:59.57 | LaoLang_cool | chem|st, :) |