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| 01:07.15 | LittleOzzie | hello, any idea if there's an app to gonnect google drive to maemo on my N900? |
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| 01:11.22 | iphar | i'm LittleOzzie, i'll leave this client open from my remote machine, so i can see if anyone answers |
| 01:11.24 | iphar | good night |
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| 02:23.01 | Hurrian | it looks like qole owes nokia 500 bucks |
| 02:23.11 | GeneralAntilles | nou |
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| 03:36.17 | Estel_ | ough. |
| 03:37.10 | Estel_ | qole at CA... normally, would be insta win, but he's kinda inactive for long time, which seems to not comply with "still contributing" |
| 03:37.18 | Estel_ | well, we will see. |
| 03:37.50 | Estel_ | funny thing, though about him yesterday and wondered why he haven't nominated himself |
| 03:37.54 | Estel_ | tele-magnet |
| 03:50.07 | luke-jr | Estel_: was "still contributing" added as a requirement? |
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| 03:54.47 | truncked | Hi.. I am facing a problem flashing my N9 |
| 03:54.56 | truncked | it says X-Loader image is too big |
| 03:55.11 | truncked | has anyone faced this before ? |
| 03:55.39 | Hurrian | #harmattan |
| 03:55.55 | Hurrian | also, redownload the firmware |
| 03:57.17 | truncked | can i md5 the firmware first ? coz it will take me one full night to download.. my only internet connection is 3g |
| 04:02.57 | truncked | Hurrian: please, you're the only person awake at this moment :) can you have a look at this ? http://pastebin.com/XJ6wx8Ey |
| 04:03.00 | truncked | please ? |
| 04:03.08 | truncked | i feel the file is not corrupt |
| 04:09.43 | truncked | Hurrian: ?? Still around ? |
| 04:12.54 | Hurrian | --flash-only=rootfs |
| 04:16.02 | Estel_ | luke-jr, it was there from the very beginning |
| 04:16.27 | Estel_ | what a ***** |
| 04:16.54 | Estel_ | one ***** son of a **** tried to rob me on 200 euro |
| 04:17.07 | Estel_ | was selling "Nokia N900 + N8" |
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| 04:17.19 | Estel_ | problem is, that N8 is fake, but very good fake |
| 04:17.56 | Estel_ | only price tag made me suspicious, especially, that N8 was new with foil on screen. Nevertheless, I almost got caught |
| 04:18.34 | Estel_ | very good description, very good photos etc - fake contain Nokia marks, but hidden on photos, only after getting suspicious I noticed that, much effort to mask them made |
| 04:19.13 | Estel_ | actually, called police (2 things - trying to cheat while selling, and trying to sell fake product) and send sucker a "love letter" |
| 04:19.43 | Estel_ | of course seler with 100 % positive ratio and reviews, more than hundred of them |
| 04:19.49 | Estel_ | beware, people. |
| 04:20.34 | Estel_ | It's the case, where, from the deep of my heart, I wish him to get invoice from Nokia for unauthorized usage of trademarks. Doubt that it will happen, though. |
| 04:21.43 | Estel_ | I've seen many things - including chinese fake N900 put into "real" N900 body took from "hollow" N900's, like those in operator's selling points... |
| 04:22.32 | Estel_ | But this one was most retardish thing I've seen for months, and as said, I almost bite it, and I'm quite hard to be fooled on such things. |
| 04:33.40 | luke-jr | Estel_: hmm, some people were talking about devs who've been gone for years applying |
| 04:34.16 | Estel_ | well, people are talking many things, the problem is, that, most of the times, it's nonsense. |
| 04:34.24 | Estel_ | BTW, of course, they can apply |
| 04:34.44 | Estel_ | but, "still contributing" is requiment to actually "win" device |
| 04:34.50 | luke-jr | i c |
| 04:34.54 | luke-jr | guess that improves my chances |
| 04:35.12 | luke-jr | though tbh, I worry that whoever's on the current Council maybe never heard of me |
| 04:35.22 | Estel_ | so, unless someone enjoy submitting as per se, such "nice try" is worthless. |
| 04:35.32 | luke-jr | since I'm barely talkative here these days, let alone forums etc |
| 04:35.50 | Estel_ | so how are You continously supporting Community? ;) |
| 04:36.11 | luke-jr | Estel_: I continuously maintain Gentoo for N900 :p |
| 04:36.18 | luke-jr | including working on getting voice calls functional |
| 04:38.45 | Estel_ | where this work is documented? |
| 04:38.51 | Estel_ | wiki, thread on TMO? |
| 04:39.24 | luke-jr | not much docs on N900 port; N810 has a wiki on Github |
| 04:39.39 | Estel_ | i.e. where random interested person can get info about it, things working already or not, how to set up properly. |
| 04:39.44 | luke-jr | N900 install is mostly the same, except adding n900 overlay instead of n8x0 |
| 04:39.59 | Estel_ | hm, isn't it pity, that Your work will dissapear if zyou get hit by bus tomorrow? or, today? |
| 04:40.03 | luke-jr | I advise people setting it up to get in touch with me :p |
| 04:40.15 | Estel_ | see above. |
| 04:40.17 | luke-jr | Estel_: indeed. want to be person #2 who supports it? :P |
| 04:40.32 | luke-jr | but if I get hit by a bus, I have much bigger concerns tbh :p |
| 04:40.44 | Estel_ | nope, until You document it on wiki page. After that, with pleasure |
| 04:41.03 | luke-jr | not much to document really |
| 04:41.16 | luke-jr | install Gentoo, add N900 overlay, pretty much done <.< |
| 04:41.27 | Estel_ | hey, running desktop's os on N900 *is* thing to document |
| 04:41.49 | Estel_ | check tmo thread about ubuntu 12.04 on N900 and kernel things to make hardware work. |
| 04:41.49 | luke-jr | has never been good at documenting |
| 04:42.02 | Estel_ | maybe some of it could get savenged for gentoo too |
| 04:42.16 | Estel_ | s/savenged/scavenged/ |
| 04:42.17 | luke-jr | well, just using Maemo power kernel sources for now |
| 04:42.27 | Estel_ | thumb2 thing? |
| 04:42.34 | Estel_ | would save lotta hell of ram |
| 04:43.05 | Estel_ | You see? lack of documentation, even basic one, is a roadblock for cooperation between projects |
| 04:43.19 | Estel_ | btw, thread on TMO is kinda self-writing documentation |
| 04:43.29 | Estel_ | written by every participant :) |
| 04:43.43 | Estel_ | at worst, You can start blog about it :P |
| 04:44.01 | luke-jr | would rather spend that time actually getting useful stuff done <.< |
| 04:44.20 | Estel_ | it's possible, that it's very nice project, but I agree that99% of people havent heard about it... |
| 04:44.34 | Estel_ | and 1% rest just shrugs shoulders, without details |
| 04:45.41 | Estel_ | = Your chances for CA are pretty low, probably, while, if guy behind Lubuntu 12.04 with 2.6.37 kernel, would - in case of submission - have pretty good chances, I suppose. |
| 04:46.05 | Estel_ | useful stuff isn't useful as per FOSS if You keep them to Yourself only. |
| 04:46.14 | Estel_ | not only due to bus 'n' hit |
| 04:46.24 | Estel_ | but due to closing door for cooperation |
| 04:46.32 | Estel_ | witm, well, Community :) |
| 04:46.42 | luke-jr | I don't keep it to myself. |
| 04:47.03 | luke-jr | door isn't closed, it just isn't visible to people unqualified :P |
| 04:47.39 | Estel_ | sounds retardish, even with ":P" at the end ;) |
| 04:47.49 | Estel_ | (sorry, I'm quite honest at 7 AM) |
| 04:48.41 | Estel_ | and like rather poor excuse for laziness about documenting, lack of goals/plan to achieve it, and overall chaos of the project ;) |
| 04:49.19 | Estel_ | even arch linux on N900 gained more attention, as, actually, there is something written about it "somewhere" |
| 04:50.00 | Estel_ | I suppose gentoo on N900 is much older project. |
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| 08:00.40 | teotwaki | Estel_: don't be mean now |
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| 09:12.42 | Jaffa | vi_: Thanks for the link to 'vee' :) |
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| 10:04.07 | kwtm | Estel_: I was lucky that I bought a used N900 from someone here in this channel, and it was all legit and worked out well. Seller actually said "don't pay me until you have received the goods". Unfortunately not all people are honest like that. And he also trusted me to pay him after getting the goods. |
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| 10:16.47 | jaska | phew, stepped on my n900, nothing happened |
| 10:16.58 | jaska | not full weight tho |
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| 10:22.43 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 10:25.26 | jaska | instant panic |
| 10:25.48 | jaska | was inside a case tho :) |
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| 11:45.27 | Pali | hi! if somebody has n900 (not with hw revision 2101 or 2204), please attach dump of atags to thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84560 thanks! |
| 11:49.20 | r00t|home | hw revision is found where? |
| 11:50.46 | vi_ | r00t|home: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:50.56 | vi_ | r00t|home: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep HW |
| 11:50.59 | vi_ | r00t|home: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep hw |
| 11:51.03 | vi_ | I dunno |
| 11:56.53 | chem|st | o/ |
| 11:59.22 | r00t|home | vi_: neither |
| 12:00.04 | r00t|home | user@Nokia-N900[~]$ grep Revision /proc/cpuinfo |
| 12:00.04 | r00t|home | Revision : 2101 |
| 12:00.13 | r00t|home | so not mine anyway |
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| 12:04.59 | jaska | didnt know other than 2101 and 2204 even existed :) |
| 12:05.08 | jaska | ive seen mentions of 2104 |
| 12:05.56 | ThreeM | any differences between the revisions? |
| 12:07.18 | r00t|home | i have one 2101 and one 2204 |
| 12:09.49 | jaska | no idea what the diff is |
| 12:10.27 | chem|st | got 2101 and my usbport never came off |
| 12:10.46 | jaska | i removed the "teeth" from my microusb cables |
| 12:10.48 | jaska | just in case |
| 12:11.39 | chem|st | that does not improve on bending... and I got that many usbcables I dont want to cut all.. |
| 12:12.39 | jaska | i only have 2 microusb cables (one from n810, another from n900) |
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| 12:17.50 | chem|st | jaska: got 6 or something... five spare for 6eur |
| 12:19.56 | vi_ | jaska: shiny keyboard or something. |
| 12:20.12 | vi_ | Also, solder your USB down, it is what all the pros do. |
| 12:20.54 | r00t|home | chem|st: length, ebay item number? ;) |
| 12:21.53 | r00t|home | i can confirm that my 2101 has a shinier keyboard than my 2204... |
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| 12:32.36 | jaska | vi: with my soldering skills i would solder everything together :) |
| 12:33.05 | jaska | i stopped doing anything when surface mounted components became the default |
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| 12:39.11 | vi_ | SMD aint so hard, you just need the correct tools. |
| 12:39.49 | chem|st | r00t|home: no ebay, just amazone marketplace |
| 12:40.05 | chem|st | nokia originals bulk not retail |
| 12:40.34 | chem|st | bulk is the key, retail wall-chargers cost 5-10eurs more than bulk |
| 12:40.45 | chem|st | ie |
| 12:40.56 | chem|st | r00t|home: your country? |
| 12:42.30 | chem|st | jaska: you do not solder the connectors, you solder the housing onto the cpb |
| 12:42.32 | chem|st | pcb |
| 12:43.46 | chem|st | r00t|home: I like the nokia ones as the clip stops them from falling off the table |
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| 12:47.35 | r00t|home | chem|st: "as the clip rips out the connector"... |
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| 12:58.20 | chem|st | no I am speaking of "the darn cable is not falling *behind* my desk after unpluging phones or hdds" |
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| 13:02.36 | vi_ | iphar: yes, no there is not. |
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| 13:33.52 | chem|st | merlin1991: doubt it |
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| 13:34.38 | chem|st | iphar: I suggested to include it with next look at sharing plugins in the futur |
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| 15:53.35 | teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: sup |
| 15:53.44 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, teotwaki. |
| 15:54.01 | GeneralAntilles | Absolutely nothing interesting. |
| 15:54.04 | GeneralAntilles | Except the rain. |
| 15:54.07 | GeneralAntilles | Lots of rain today. |
| 15:54.13 | teotwaki | heh |
| 15:54.16 | teotwaki | There's Florida for you |
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| 15:54.36 | GeneralAntilles | Usually it's /afternoon/ thunderstorms. :< |
| 15:54.44 | teotwaki | we had a gorgeous 100+ degrees here today |
| 15:54.46 | GeneralAntilles | Not "wake you up at 5 in the morning" thunderstorms. |
| 15:54.51 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds fun. |
| 15:54.59 | teotwaki | Not a cloud in the sky |
| 15:55.06 | teotwaki | Can't complain :) |
| 15:55.13 | teotwaki | So, what you been up to? How's the studies going? |
| 15:55.55 | GeneralAntilles | Studies are progressing in a more consistent fashion than they were. *g* |
| 15:56.07 | teotwaki | That's good news |
| 15:56.08 | GeneralAntilles | Sadly very little productive otherwise. |
| 15:57.02 | GeneralAntilles | What's new on the other side of the Atlantic? |
| 15:57.11 | teotwaki | not much frankly |
| 15:57.29 | teotwaki | Still in the same company, am product manager / lead dev / dev coordinator now |
| 15:57.39 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds like progress |
| 15:57.45 | teotwaki | Florida is still our number one con artist destination |
| 15:57.55 | teotwaki | I'm starting to get suspicious of you |
| 15:57.58 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 15:58.02 | GeneralAntilles | Seriously. |
| 15:58.22 | teotwaki | Yeah, most of the tubes end up in Florida (for phone services) |
| 15:58.28 | GeneralAntilles | Evidently every escaped convict, bail jumper, man-on-the-run, and general good-for-nothing likes to run to Florida. |
| 15:58.33 | teotwaki | so it's cheapest from Florida to buy numbers in France/Europe. |
| 15:58.39 | GeneralAntilles | 'cause there's lots of open land to hide in and the winters wont kill you. |
| 15:59.09 | teotwaki | Then they spam a couple thousand numbers, just long enough for it to ring, not long enough for anyone to pick up |
| 15:59.17 | teotwaki | (as in, 28ms of ring time on average) |
| 15:59.21 | GeneralAntilles | To what possible end? |
| 15:59.45 | teotwaki | a fair percentage of those people call back, not recognising the number, but it's a 0899 number, which is 1.5euros at connection and then 0.34 euros / minute |
| 15:59.55 | teotwaki | so in an afternoon, they make a couple hundred thousand |
| 16:00.15 | GeneralAntilles | facepalms. |
| 16:00.22 | GeneralAntilles | and these people don't realize that? |
| 16:00.27 | teotwaki | nope |
| 16:00.42 | teotwaki | well, if you got a call from 0899 911 911 911 |
| 16:00.45 | teotwaki | would you call back? |
| 16:00.58 | teotwaki | (just an example) |
| 16:01.17 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 16:01.30 | GeneralAntilles | But I hardly answer the phone |
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| 16:01.34 | GeneralAntilles | let allow call people back. |
| 16:01.38 | GeneralAntilles | So I'm probably an outlier. |
| 16:01.52 | teotwaki | just take the probability of shit going on in one's life -- deceased loved one, working for the fire dept, <insert any kind of reason here>, and people will convince themselves that that number really resembles one they've dialed before. |
| 16:02.31 | GeneralAntilles | So it's a tax on not being able to Google. :P |
| 16:02.45 | teotwaki | They purchase the number at 3am |
| 16:02.48 | teotwaki | by 7 am they're done |
| 16:02.51 | GeneralAntilles | Ah |
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| 16:03.21 | teotwaki | so yeah, you might get lucky, but in most cases it'll just provide you with the name of our company, or our provider |
| 16:03.56 | teotwaki | the worst part is |
| 16:04.10 | teotwaki | setting up a system that would lock them out if they try to spam numbers with short bursts |
| 16:04.12 | teotwaki | piss easy |
| 16:04.22 | teotwaki | would take maybe a 30 line patch to our voip stack |
| 16:05.30 | teotwaki | it's cheaper and less risky for us to defend against people who lost a couple euros, than to deny custom to a guy at AT&T. |
| 16:06.04 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 16:06.05 | teotwaki | Actually, that's not the provider. |
| 16:06.15 | teotwaki | It's the one that starts with a V |
| 16:06.20 | teotwaki | and ends in erizon. |
| 16:06.22 | GeneralAntilles | Verizon? |
| 16:06.25 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 16:06.28 | GeneralAntilles | Those guys rock. |
| 16:06.37 | GeneralAntilles | They bring so much awesome to telecommunications. |
| 16:07.02 | teotwaki | At some point, the number of scams coming from them was so bad |
| 16:07.39 | teotwaki | Our provider told them they'd make them pay back 100% of their profit + our regular invoice, if they detected a scam |
| 16:07.51 | teotwaki | they just replied "sure, no problem. We're still making money." |
| 16:08.17 | teotwaki | Anyway |
| 16:08.21 | teotwaki | am done for the week |
| 16:08.31 | teotwaki | Going back home, and going to play SWTOR for a couple hours |
| 16:08.40 | GeneralAntilles | Woo |
| 16:08.41 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds fun. |
| 16:08.49 | teotwaki | You playin? |
| 16:08.56 | teotwaki | D3 maybe? |
| 16:08.58 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't gotten around to it yet. |
| 16:09.04 | GeneralAntilles | I'm reinvigorated on Forza 4 |
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| 16:09.08 | teotwaki | Haha |
| 16:09.11 | GeneralAntilles | Since it's got Porches now. |
| 16:09.28 | teotwaki | You a Porsche fan? |
| 16:09.30 | GeneralAntilles | Also replaying Borderlands in preparation. |
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| 16:09.41 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4263150331/ |
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| 16:12.00 | teotwaki | hahaha |
| 16:12.14 | teotwaki | the day we see an open source sponsoring a professional race car |
| 16:12.22 | teotwaki | s/source/source project/ |
| 16:12.34 | teotwaki | is the day I'll commit to becoming hindu. |
| 16:13.29 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 16:13.33 | GeneralAntilles | Those were the days. . . . |
| 16:13.42 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, well, now we have Tizen! |
| 16:13.57 | GeneralAntilles | OK, better eat lunch before work. |
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| 16:27.53 | Corsac | well, Oracle is technically an open source company |
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| 16:32.28 | GeneralAntilles | Afternoon, timeless. |
| 16:32.49 | vi__ | Corsac: ORLY? |
| 16:32.49 | GeneralAntilles | It's a regular menagerie of oldtimers this week. |
| 16:33.05 | vi__ | GeneralAntilles: I WONDER WHY? |
| 16:34.44 | GeneralAntilles | We're like vultures circling in for scraps. :P |
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| 16:36.58 | vi__ | God help anyone who wins and does not reguarly post on tmo. |
| 16:37.13 | GeneralAntilles | Is that a requirement? |
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| 16:37.27 | GeneralAntilles | Did they send Nokia Ninjas along with the devices to ensure compliance? |
| 16:37.36 | vi__ | no |
| 16:37.49 | vi__ | but anyone who does not win will be all? |
| 16:38.00 | vi__ | 'who t f is this???' |
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| 16:38.08 | vi__ | was this comp rigged? |
| 16:38.54 | GeneralAntilles | We already have an andre__, sorry. |
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| 16:43.41 | timeless | hi GeneralAntilles |
| 16:43.49 | timeless | my irc client just finished upgrading |
| 16:44.00 | SpeedEvil | timeless: hi |
| 16:44.05 | timeless | hi |
| 16:44.06 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, how's Canada? |
| 16:44.12 | timeless | good |
| 16:44.22 | timeless | and my apartment in Helsinki sold today! |
| 16:44.29 | timeless | is now landless |
| 16:44.32 | SpeedEvil | Congratulations. |
| 16:44.33 | GeneralAntilles | That took a while. |
| 16:44.36 | timeless | oh, it's pouring here |
| 16:44.39 | timeless | GeneralAntilles: yeah, a year |
| 16:44.45 | timeless | it failed to sell last summer |
| 16:44.51 | timeless | this time it sold relatively quickly |
| 16:45.02 | timeless | but there's no point in leaving it on the market in the (long) off-season |
| 16:45.21 | timeless | anyway, there's little point in shopping in Canada during the off-season or peak either |
| 16:45.25 | timeless | so i'm ok |
| 16:45.35 | timeless | i just need to move my EUR out while the EUR is doing well against the CAD |
| 16:45.43 | timeless | (the CAD is down against the USD atm, i think) |
| 16:46.35 | timeless | Yay |
| 16:46.59 | timeless | is irc'ing from a BlackBerry PlayBook |
| 16:47.36 | timeless | (a moment ago I was typing from my laptop using Chrome) |
| 16:47.44 | timeless | IRCCloud is cool |
| 16:47.56 | GeneralAntilles | HTML5? |
| 16:48.03 | timeless | Yes |
| 16:48.11 | GeneralAntilles | Shit. Time for work. |
| 16:48.12 | GeneralAntilles | Later. |
| 16:48.12 | timeless | It uses websockets |
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| 17:58.22 | Sc0rpius | yawns |
| 17:58.43 | beford | hola |
| 17:58.49 | Sc0rpius | hi |
| 18:00.42 | beford | se te olvido el español? |
| 18:00.43 | beford | xD |
| 18:02.37 | Sc0rpius | no, no se me ha olvidado |
| 18:02.49 | Sc0rpius | pero me regañan si hablo en español aquà |
| 18:03.44 | beford | hah yea, i know, just kidding. |
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| 18:42.32 | vi__ | Chiku|dc: |
| 18:42.42 | Chiku|dc | hi |
| 18:42.45 | Chiku|dc | ? |
| 18:42.48 | vi__ | chem|st: laying the smack down |
| 18:42.58 | vi__ | sorry, I mis typed your name. |
| 18:43.01 | Chiku|dc | ok |
| 18:43.10 | Chiku|dc | is gone |
| 18:43.11 | vi__ | hello! none the less. |
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| 18:47.57 | chem|st | yes! wanna do? |
| 18:48.09 | chem|st | join up :) |
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| 18:50.32 | chem|st | vi__: I don't want to but there is someone wrong on the internets! |
| 19:00.16 | vi__ | chem|st: you mean 'there is SOMONE wrong on the internet'? |
| 19:08.45 | chem|st | vi__: EXACTLY! |
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| 19:24.30 | Pali | ping freemangordon |
| 19:26.24 | chem|st | Pali: if you start writing your question... you know the rest... |
| 19:28.26 | Pali | freemangordon, two N900 with same HW revision and same NOLO version passing two different MEM atags to kernel |
| 19:28.49 | Pali | I think disassembling NOLO and X-Loader is needed :-( |
| 19:29.08 | Pali | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1216020#post1216020 |
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| 19:35.04 | Pali | jacekowski, did you disassembled nolo? |
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| 19:44.26 | jacekowski | Pali: what for? |
| 19:44.45 | Pali | jacekowski, how NOLO generate atags for kernel? |
| 19:45.26 | jacekowski | dunno |
| 19:45.29 | jacekowski | never looked into that |
| 19:46.14 | jacekowski | lemme see |
| 19:47.32 | Pali | jacekowski, do you have some disassembled nolo/x-loader text files? |
| 19:47.55 | jacekowski | somewhere |
| 19:47.58 | jacekowski | i have to find them |
| 19:48.06 | jacekowski | i've never looked into that anyways |
| 19:48.12 | jacekowski | so it won't be much of help anyways |
| 19:49.48 | jacekowski | give me a minute |
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| 19:55.17 | chem|st | vi__: not exactly that way but thanks for your support, those tmo bandwagons suck |
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| 20:05.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~tmo |
| 20:05.00 | infobot | methinks tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxen |
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| 20:06.08 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer51, quite childlish |
| 20:06.16 | Estel_ | are You sure, that You're still up to be chanop? |
| 20:07.21 | Estel_ | jokes are fine sometime, but if IRC is one of officla channels- and it is - it should spread bullshit like that, especially via locked factoids |
| 20:07.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok, Sir. you made it on my /ignore list |
| 20:07.30 | Estel_ | no matter of someone's personal frustrations |
| 20:07.49 | Estel_ | no problem, i'll talk with IRC contact about that - after all, #maemo IRc isn't Your private property. |
| 20:08.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | neither yours (damn, my /ignore been too slow) |
| 20:10.06 | Estel_ | so Your personal frustration about TMO shouldn't make it to lock info about it to "morons" and such things |
| 20:10.30 | Estel_ | Anyway, I'm done with You, as said, will contact proper authority, as this situation with official #maemo channel can't persist any longer |
| 20:10.44 | Estel_ | to use your own words " you won't hijack our irc" |
| 20:11.29 | Estel_ | setting stupid factoid could be ignored, as everyone would be able to correct your foolishnes, but locking it to depreciate other communication channels? Childlish, unresponsible, and plain stupid. |
| 20:14.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | oooh, fun, here on this client another /ignore. So I have the opportunity to teach Mr Estel_ a bit about factoids. |
| 20:14.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~factinfo tmo |
| 20:14.15 | infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 20:14.15 | infobot | tmo -- created by Mece <~mece@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe3fdc00-44.dhcp.inet.fi> at Mon Jun 14 16:09:21 2010 (718 days); last modified at Fri May 4 14:36:23 2012 by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 20 times, last by Estel_, 8m 34s ago; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer. |
| 20:14.46 | Estel_ | so? locked by DocScrutinizer51 |
| 20:14.52 | Estel_ | to foolish, depreciating form |
| 20:15.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | as you can see if you are capable of reading, this factoid wasn't created by me |
| 20:15.06 | Estel_ | not exactly what chanop is supposed to do. |
| 20:15.21 | Estel_ | aah, so someone do foolish thing, and You lock it to persist that way? |
| 20:15.37 | Estel_ | <good job> |
| 20:16.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | and locked by (me) due to fools messing around with factoids as they thought their nothion is better than the one of original factoid creator |
| 20:17.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes, that's exactly what I do: lock foolish things to stop a fools' battle |
| 20:17.07 | Estel_ | still doens't answer why you haven't fixed it to not being depreciating to others (and other official channels) |
| 20:17.21 | Estel_ | if someone would make factoid "Docscrutinizer is a moron", you would probably fix it. |
| 20:17.37 | Estel_ | at least, You're chanop for such things too, yep? |
| 20:17.46 | Estel_ | if You can be bothered to lock it, You can also fix it. |
| 20:18.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | and now I take my option to fix /ignore list of this chan |
| 20:18.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | err client |
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| 20:18.52 | Estel_ | no problem for me, again. Still, despite former great deed,s lately, you act zealotish and totally unpredictable - for sure not what is supposed to be actions of responsible chanop on #maemo official channel. |
| 20:19.05 | Estel_ | if You don't see problem, then we will try to fix it other way. |
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| 20:19.26 | chem|st | Estel_: IRC is not an official channel... in terms of commmunity... mailinglist is, thought we made that clear! |
| 20:19.37 | Estel_ | no, it is also |
| 20:19.45 | Estel_ | with a mention in council blog to - not created by us |
| 20:19.58 | Estel_ | anyway, such behavior is unnaceptable, so please, dont' make poor excuses for DocScrutinizer51 behavior |
| 20:20.16 | chem|st | Estel_: you are way out of line for days now |
| 20:20.33 | Estel_ | so, write a complain to other councilors with expected quotations. |
| 20:20.45 | chem|st | council is not controling maemo in the way you may think |
| 20:21.05 | Estel_ | sure thing. you can belive in what You want. Still, we're going to take action about embarassing chanops behavior here. |
| 20:21.17 | Estel_ | saluts |
| 20:21.20 | Estel_ | I'm off for now |
| 20:21.50 | chem|st | WTF? |
| 20:22.14 | nieldk | Bet we are |
| 20:22.24 | NIN101 | I love this channel for constant popcorn delivery. |
| 20:22.26 | NIN101 | :-) |
| 20:22.34 | chem|st | you are welcome! |
| 20:22.45 | Pali | jacekowski, did you find? |
| 20:23.14 | chem|st | starts the popcorn machine and throws out oversalted popcorn for good... |
| 20:38.46 | vi__ | munch crunch munch |
| 20:39.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: thanks for the link |
| 20:40.07 | chem|st | Estel_: "If you've posted something and want to ensure the council sees it; please email council@maemo.org. " |
| 20:40.29 | chem|st | Estel_: Community-related news, announcements, and calls for participation are summarized in the Council blog. |
| 20:40.32 | chem|st | Council blog posts are syndicated to the Community subforum at Talk with a [Council] tag. |
| 20:40.38 | chem|st | just to make you read it again... |
| 20:40.49 | chem|st | your channels... |
| 20:40.58 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: yw |
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| 20:42.56 | vi__ | ~tmo |
| 20:42.56 | infobot | i guess tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxen |
| 20:43.03 | vi__ | lols |
| 20:43.10 | chem|st | vi__: love it! |
| 20:43.22 | vi__ | I feel... |
| 20:43.36 | vi__ | in the grand scheme of things, it does not matter. |
| 20:43.47 | chem|st | ~matter |
| 20:43.56 | chem|st | ~darkmatter |
| 20:44.03 | vi__ | ~testes |
| 20:44.03 | infobot | ACTION grabs vi__'s nuts |
| 20:44.15 | vi__ | BWAHAAHHAHAHA |
| 20:44.16 | chem|st | ~striptease |
| 20:44.16 | infobot | Hoogah Hoogah wah wah *takes of the box* *dances around showing of the cpu and memory* Ah yeah you likey my little HD no? |
| 20:44.32 | vi__ | !!! |
| 20:44.34 | chem|st | so much about |
| 20:44.35 | vi__ | dafuq |
| 20:44.58 | chem|st | ~love vi__ |
| 20:44.58 | infobot | If you love vi__ so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 20:45.14 | chem|st | ~feed me |
| 20:45.14 | infobot | ACTION offers chem|st some horseraddish |
| 20:45.21 | chem|st | ~thanks |
| 20:45.21 | infobot | de rien, chem|st |
| 20:45.37 | chem|st | ~kiss |
| 20:45.44 | chem|st | nooooh |
| 20:45.52 | chem|st | :D |
| 20:46.51 | chem|st | later o7 |
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| 21:37.42 | Estel_ | chem|st, honestly, i'm sure you know it already, and are talking BS jsut because you're biased towards DocScrutinizer51 but read about Frenoode rules |
| 21:37.44 | Estel_ | naming concention |
| 21:37.47 | Estel_ | convention* |
| 21:37.53 | Estel_ | and ownership of channels related to platforms. |
| 21:38.22 | Estel_ | enjoy your popcorn, nothing wrong in it ;) |
| 21:38.26 | vi__ | Estel_: I think he is gone. |
| 21:39.11 | Estel_ | still, management of #maemo etc. need to be cleared, as it, seems, some people treat is as own property and feel like leaders of international football organisations (i.e. "non-removable") |
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| 22:38.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | BLABLABLABLA |
| 22:42.16 | Gh0sty | YADAYADAYADA |
| 22:42.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | listen buddy, the funny two details: 1) I got shanghai'd for chanop of this chan, and I'm not the elast afraid to leave this position vacant (though nobody except you ever thought that'd be a good idea). and b) I'm chanop and GC of some dozen other chan, so believe me I know at least as much about both legalese and policies of freenode than you do |
| 22:43.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | some dozen, since some years mow |
| 22:44.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | now* |
| 22:46.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | and btw I have to break my promise: I have to ask you to find another way of managing your IRC access, as Ihink it's kinda strange when you ask for removing my name from access list and you accidentally get affected in the process due to same IP and hostname |
| 22:46.37 | Gh0sty | whats he goy against you? |
| 22:46.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | nfc |
| 22:46.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | I said |
| 22:46.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~tmo |
| 22:46.57 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxen |
| 22:47.14 | Woody14619 | Sigh.... You know... you're a half decent channel op 99% of the time. It's just that you tend to devolve into a major ass-hat when he who bitched is around. Yes, I know, you two have issues... but really? It's like being in a kindergarten classroom. |
| 22:47.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | I guess he forgot to take his pills today |
| 22:47.29 | Woody14619 | And yes, I know, it's not one sided... |
| 22:48.02 | Woody14619 | He's a pretty major ass-hat a lot of times.... But really. The two of you reflect each other like a pair of mirrors... |
| 22:48.12 | Woody14619 | Ass-hats within ass-hats... |
| 22:48.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | you're so absolutely right |
| 22:48.29 | Gh0sty | no reason to fight: a)no money involved b) no women either |
| 22:48.37 | Woody14619 | nods |
| 22:48.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's why he got on my /ignore |
| 22:49.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | and why I left chan for 28h |
| 22:49.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | to chill |
| 22:49.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | and today I said NUTTIN |
| 22:50.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | but MEH |
| 22:50.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | Woody14619: thanks for your reeasonable words though, much appreciated |
| 22:51.03 | Woody14619 | Well, that's not entierly true... but... yes... |
| 22:52.59 | chem|st | well troll and feeder... |
| 22:53.11 | chem|st | which way around is up to you |
| 22:53.20 | chem|st | other topic please |
| 22:53.36 | Woody14619 | Too true chem|st |
| 22:56.23 | Woody14619 | Anywho... I'm off to real life. And since I don't want to have a novel to read when I come back, I bid you all good night. :) See you all Monday. |
| 22:57.11 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer51, quite funny, as today I've said to other interested Councilors that - in line with what you've promised - they can ping You about IRc bouncer. |
| 22:57.30 | Estel_ | Well, no problem - I suppose, it's just like thing with repos mirror, you're free to revoke it at any time, obviously |
| 22:58.08 | Estel_ | And honestly, i can't agree with Woody14619 - i'm not in chan app position, and my request was simple - to change factoid set by some idiot and *locked* this way (thus only chanop can edit it) |
| 22:58.39 | Estel_ | it's embarassing, that #maemo - being one of official channels of communication, like it or not - have info about members of other channel (TMO) being "morons, oxes and trolls" |
| 22:58.41 | Woody14619 | Estel_: enough... Give it a rest... Come back after a weekend and you'll see how little this all matters. |
| 22:58.53 | Estel_ | Woody14619, it's not matter of rest, i'mperfectly calm |
| 22:59.01 | Estel_ | it's just more embarassing that worst submissions to CA. |
| 22:59.05 | Woody14619 | sees otherwise... |
| 22:59.25 | Estel_ | either way we're treating being chanop as something that si related ot smallest responsibilities, or we're in fact more moronish channel than TMO |
| 22:59.29 | chem|st | Estel_: give it a brake |
| 22:59.42 | Estel_ | BTw, Woody14619, as per Councilors, it seems you're quite alone with Your view on this case. |
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| 22:59.52 | Estel_ | I don't have problems with small jokes etc |
| 22:59.55 | Estel_ | but that thing with |
| 22:59.59 | Estel_ | ~tmo |
| 22:59.59 | infobot | methinks tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxen |
| 23:00.11 | Estel_ | ...being locked to edit only for chanops, yet chanop refusing to edit it... |
| 23:00.14 | chem|st | so what noone ever moaned |
| 23:00.18 | Woody14619 | Yes, it should be changed, but it's not like it's a channel topic. You have to know it's there and how to trigger it. |
| 23:00.19 | Estel_ | is just embarassing, and quite pathetic. |
| 23:00.42 | Estel_ | yea, because infobot and it's factoid info here is to feed idiots frustration. |
| 23:00.43 | chem|st | truth is sometimes pathetic |
| 23:00.53 | Estel_ | bullshit, if I would set factoid to |
| 23:01.02 | Estel_ | "hostmode is pile of crap designed by idiots to fry people's devices" |
| 23:01.06 | Estel_ | it would be changed in 0.5 seconds |
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| 23:01.13 | Estel_ | don't be biased, pls. |
| 23:01.24 | Estel_ | +, someone who set up that factoid would be banned immediately |
| 23:01.27 | chem|st | you are... I am just rational |
| 23:01.38 | Estel_ | then, some moron set up factoid about TMO, and chanop's are cheerish all the way |
| 23:02.00 | Estel_ | rational way would be to change this factoid instantly. Semi-rational way would be to change it on request. |
| 23:02.25 | Estel_ | if chanop, instead of that, add someone requesting it to /ignore and write other bullshit, it's just out of the line. |
| 23:02.49 | chem|st | I'd like to have some pizza now |
| 23:02.53 | chem|st | or at least |
| 23:02.57 | chem|st | ~popcorn |
| 23:02.57 | infobot | well, popcorn is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0f2YL_MThI, which is epic. |
| 23:03.00 | Woody14619 | Sigh, yes... it should be changed. But you're really making a much buffer deal out of it than needs be. |
| 23:03.10 | Estel_ | + you're funny chem|st, when nokia create 2 activites to sed devices, You tell me that it's my duty to convionce them - or try - to give us more devices, even if they Nokia Store and Qt5 is not related to council at all |
| 23:03.11 | Woody14619 | s/buffer/biffer |
| 23:03.17 | Woody14619 | GRR! Bigger... |
| 23:03.32 | Woody14619 | (can you tell I've been working on buffering code all day?) |
| 23:03.34 | chem|st | ehrm I did not ask that |
| 23:03.38 | Estel_ | when Maemo's official channel have some *bullshit* in factoid, PROTECTED by chanops to remain here for good, You tell me it's not something, that Council is egilible to intervent about |
| 23:03.57 | Estel_ | Woody14619, I'm making "biggeR" deal about chanop operation |
| 23:03.58 | chem|st | I was elaborating other people's requests |
| 23:04.02 | Estel_ | which is totally out of line. |
| 23:04.28 | Estel_ | chem|st, I don't have anything against You, and I think you're reasonable guy - for sure much more than DocScrutinizer51, at least, when he see me ;) |
| 23:04.37 | Estel_ | but here, it sounds like You're just defending colleague. |
| 23:04.42 | Woody14619 | You bringing more attention to something that's existed for years than anyone though was worth bothering with. Triggereing a shit-storm in the process. |
| 23:04.49 | Estel_ | you know as good as I, that his reaction wasn't justified, yes? |
| 23:05.02 | Woody14619 | Yes, you're BOTH acting like 5 year olds. |
| 23:05.06 | Estel_ | well, who seed wind, gather storm. |
| 23:05.12 | chem|st | wtf? |
| 23:05.18 | Estel_ | honestly? I don't care if it was like that for years |
| 23:05.21 | Estel_ | ages, or eons |
| 23:05.36 | Estel_ | it's wrong, and should be changed, while chenlop refuses that, and call someone rerquesting it names. |
| 23:05.56 | Estel_ | lets leave alone that I'm Council and chair - it would be wrong for *any* user |
| 23:06.22 | Estel_ | if we tolerate like that, we should also tolerate every inapproriate naction *everywhere* on TMO too. |
| 23:06.25 | chem|st | Estel_: I cannot remeber anyone ever complaining |
| 23:06.40 | Estel_ | sure thing. But how it is related? |
| 23:07.01 | Estel_ | it doesn't change what I've said - if someone would set such factoid about hostmode and it's devs being moron, he would be banned immediately |
| 23:07.13 | Estel_ | here, instead, factoid is protected from further change, but left alone, LOL |
| 23:07.17 | Estel_ | double standards? |
| 23:07.27 | Woody14619 | Estel_, can you honestly tell me you've not see worse ON tmo itself? Moron is used constantly on tmo, without ops banning posts or threads. |
| 23:07.36 | Woody14619 | You're making a huge deal about nothing. |
| 23:07.39 | Estel_ | call me whatever You like - 5 years old, troll, or what You feel fancy, but I haven't started to being Councilor, to tolerate such things. |
| 23:07.43 | chem|st | tmo is even more out of your league then this channel, someone could have changed anything any time but didn't |
| 23:07.53 | Estel_ | Woody14619, the point is, if we start tolerate moronish things here |
| 23:07.58 | Estel_ | we shouldn't complain about morons on TMO |
| 23:08.09 | Woody14619 | You know what I think? I think you're letting at lot of stuff go to your head. |
| 23:08.18 | Estel_ | double standards is thing that slowly destroyed much bigger Communities than ours |
| 23:08.28 | Estel_ | if we tolerate joerg being moronish, why should we bash morons on TMO?> |
| 23:08.35 | Estel_ | after all, they're at least - most of the times - new |
| 23:08.58 | chem|st | I saw communities devide because of people but neber because of infobots... |
| 23:08.59 | Estel_ | Woody14619, no, I just use same standards for average joe writing bullshit on TMO and average epic badass hero writing bullshit on IRC |
| 23:09.09 | Estel_ | and thing here isn't about infobot. |
| 23:09.22 | Woody14619 | You're over-concerened with things that are F**KING TRIVIAL, spending hours whining and bitching about a useless macro, when lots of other stuff needs to be done. |
| 23:09.28 | chem|st | well infobot has nothin to do with chanops |
| 23:09.32 | Estel_ | it's - less - about some moron that set up abusive factoid, and - more - other moron being chanop, and refusing to change it. |
| 23:09.43 | Woody14619 | If you spent HALF this ammount of effort on the other tasks at hand, we'd have much more done.... |
| 23:09.47 | Estel_ | chem|st, bullshit. chanop DocScrutinizer51 locked it fromk further edit |
| 23:09.54 | Estel_ | now only he can change it, or - maybe - other chanops |
| 23:10.11 | Woody14619 | One that note... *I* have actual, important work to do... So enjoy your weekend, as you will. |
| 23:10.23 | Woody14619 | See you all Monday.... |
| 23:10.41 | Estel_ | Woody14619, AFAIK, other things needed to be done dor today were done via our Council meeting. and, via request by other Councilors, Your task for monday include talking with IRc contact about this chanop mess |
| 23:11.09 | Estel_ | ~factinfo tmo |
| 23:11.09 | infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 23:11.09 | infobot | tmo -- created by Mece <~mece@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe3fdc00-44.dhcp.inet.fi> at Mon Jun 14 16:09:21 2010 (718 days); last modified at Fri May 4 14:36:23 2012 by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 23 times, last by Estel_, 11m 10s ago; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer. |
| 23:11.36 | Estel_ | chem|st, see who locked it? Now You're telling me that being chanop doesn't have anything to do with fixing it? |
| 23:11.44 | Estel_ | we're either enforcing some standards... |
| 23:11.54 | Estel_ | or why we need chanops at all? Lets call everyone around moron, idiot, oxie, or whatever |
| 23:12.00 | Estel_ | and go make p0rn in channel ;) |
| 23:12.15 | Estel_ | what i'm - yes - demanding, is just fair "play". |
| 23:12.19 | chem|st | ~striptease |
| 23:12.19 | infobot | Hoogah Hoogah wah wah *takes of the box* *dances around showing of the cpu and memory* Ah yeah you likey my little HD no? |
| 23:12.32 | Estel_ | know that one already ;) |
| 23:12.43 | chem|st | you asked for p0rn |
| 23:12.54 | Estel_ | ~porn |
| 23:12.54 | infobot | Porn remains one of the largest problems with Open Source Software. Often causing development delays, flooded links and, in extreme cases, disabling programmers ability to type. |
| 23:13.15 | Estel_ | ah, so i understand now why DocScrutinizer51 act so moronish lately. |
| 23:13.30 | Estel_ | ~hen |
| 23:13.33 | chem|st | Estel_: stop getting personal ass hole! |
| 23:14.04 | Estel_ | infobot, hen is piece of crap written by idiots and morons to fry other's people N900's! beware! |
| 23:14.04 | infobot | okay, Estel_ |
| 23:14.09 | Estel_ | ~hen |
| 23:14.09 | infobot | hen is probably piece of crap written by idiots and morons to fry other's people N900's! beware! |
| 23:14.14 | Estel_ | yea, sure |
| 23:14.24 | Estel_ | is off and away |
| 23:15.39 | chem|st | infobot: no, hen is chicken |
| 23:15.39 | infobot | okay, chem|st |
| 23:15.48 | chem|st | infobot: lock hen |
| 23:15.50 | Estel_ | well, see? this one isn't locked. |
| 23:16.19 | chem|st | infobot: no, hen is not chicken |
| 23:16.19 | infobot | chem|st: okay |
| 23:16.23 | chem|st | ~hen |
| 23:16.23 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, hen is not chicken |
| 23:16.38 | chem|st | ~hen lock |
| 23:16.51 | Estel_ | ~lock hen |
| 23:16.58 | Estel_ | ~hen |
| 23:16.58 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, hen is not chicken |
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| 23:18.11 | Estel_ | infobot: no, TMO is http://talk.maemo.org |
| 23:18.11 | infobot | Estel_: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 23:18.17 | chem|st | infobot: chem|st is Saint Chemistry with a fancy halo |
| 23:18.17 | infobot | chem|st: okay |
| 23:18.25 | chem|st | infobot: lock chem|st |
| 23:18.36 | Estel_ | infobot: no, chem|st is chicken |
| 23:18.37 | infobot | Estel_: okay |
| 23:18.44 | chem|st | lol |
| 23:18.48 | Estel_ | ~chem |
| 23:18.54 | Estel_ | ~chem|st |
| 23:18.55 | infobot | chem|st is, like, chicken |
| 23:19.07 | Estel_ | see? only infobot admin can lock and unlock it |
| 23:19.21 | Estel_ | locking and unlocking is disabled for regular users, and, probably, chanops to (unverified) |
| 23:19.33 | Estel_ | it's DocScrutinizer51 fuckin responsibility to alter *locked* moronish factoids |
| 23:19.38 | chem|st | get the fuck of my nick |
| 23:19.43 | Estel_ | especially about official parts of Maemo |
| 23:19.49 | chem|st | infobot:no, chem|st is Saint Chemistry with a fancy halo |
| 23:19.49 | infobot | chem|st: okay |
| 23:19.59 | Estel_ | infobot: no, chem|st is get the fuck of my nick |
| 23:19.59 | infobot | Estel_: please, watch your language. |
| 23:20.05 | Estel_ | lol |
| 23:20.09 | chem|st | ~chem|st |
| 23:20.09 | infobot | [chem|st] Saint Chemistry with a fancy halo |
| 23:20.10 | Estel_ | infobot: no, chem|st is get the duck of my nick |
| 23:20.10 | infobot | Estel_: okay |
| 23:20.24 | Estel_ | ~chem|st |
| 23:20.24 | infobot | chem|st is, like, get the duck of my nick |
| 23:21.44 | chem|st | ~ chem|st |
| 23:21.44 | infobot | it has been said that chem|st is get the duck of my nick |
| 23:21.49 | chem|st | ~chem|st |
| 23:21.49 | infobot | hmm... chem|st is get the duck of my nick |
| 23:22.09 | chem|st | infobot:no, chem|st is Saint Chemistry with a fancy halo |
| 23:22.09 | infobot | chem|st: okay |
| 23:22.27 | chem|st | Estel_: try again moron |
| 23:22.31 | chem|st | ~chem|st |
| 23:22.32 | infobot | it has been said that chem|st is Saint Chemistry with a fancy halo |
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| 23:22.57 | Estel_ | ~maemo |
| 23:22.58 | infobot | i heard maemo is http://mer.com |
| 23:23.01 | Estel_ | ... |
| 23:23.08 | Estel_ | chem|st, why? doesn't like to be duck of my nick? |
| 23:23.26 | Estel_ | after all, we're free to say whatever we like about other people yes? It's just infobot, why should we enforce *any* standards |
| 23:23.35 | Estel_ | at least, this one isn't locked, so You can edit it |
| 23:23.57 | Estel_ | infobot: no, maemo is http://maemo.org/intro |
| 23:23.57 | infobot | Estel_: okay |
| 23:24.05 | Estel_ | ~factinfo maemo |
| 23:24.05 | infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 23:24.05 | infobot | maemo -- created by TimRiker <~timr@TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc> at Mon May 30 22:51:00 2005 (2559 days); last modified 8s ago by Estel_!~Estel@lagrange.cloud-7.de; it has been requested 39 times, last by Estel_, 1m 8s ago. |
| 23:24.37 | chem|st | infobot: forget maemo |
| 23:24.37 | infobot | i forgot maemo, chem|st |
| 23:25.01 | Estel_ | maemo is http://maemo.org/intro |
| 23:25.06 | chem|st | infobot: forget maemo |
| 23:25.06 | infobot | chem|st: i didn't have anything called 'maemo' to forget |
| 23:25.12 | Estel_ | ? |
| 23:25.16 | chem|st | ~chem|st |
| 23:25.17 | infobot | somebody said chem|st was Saint Chemistry with a fancy halo |
| 23:25.20 | Estel_ | ~forget tmo |
| 23:25.20 | infobot | cannot alter locked factoids, Estel_ |
| 23:25.29 | Estel_ | ~forget chem|st |
| 23:25.29 | infobot | Estel_: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 23:25.29 | chem|st | nice try |
| 23:25.36 | Estel_ | oh, so you've locked Your name? |
| 23:25.50 | Estel_ | nice. It's a little different, when affect you directly, yep? |
| 23:25.53 | chem|st | sure I did! so no moron can call me names again |
| 23:26.03 | Estel_ | why, considering your whole logic, you should don't care |
| 23:26.20 | Estel_ | so all You've said about DocScrutinizer51 being ok with that locked TMO factoid is pure bullshit |
| 23:26.29 | chem|st | grow up |
| 23:26.46 | Estel_ | ~chemist |
| 23:26.46 | infobot | chemist is, like, frensh housewife |
| 23:26.57 | chem|st | it was locked to prevent further games with it |
| 23:27.08 | Estel_ | sure, lets lock it to "it's morons, trolls and oxies" |
| 23:27.19 | Estel_ | why You haven't locked chem|st to "dont duck with my name", though? |
| 23:27.28 | Estel_ | of cours,e it's just and example |
| 23:27.38 | Estel_ | either we're treating those things same way, or we're in double standards |
| 23:27.39 | chem|st | Estel_: that was also requested |
| 23:27.55 | Estel_ | sure thing. so I've requested, and still request it, to fix TMO factoid |
| 23:28.04 | Estel_ | to make it point to http://talk.maemo.org without moronish additions |
| 23:28.14 | chem|st | yeah but you got no base to request it... |
| 23:28.20 | chem|st | and not in that manner... |
| 23:28.23 | Estel_ | then, this whole talk would be non-existent. Only, if chanop would act like grown up, not some moronish zealot |
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| 23:28.57 | chem|st | you started a fight with doc, flaming bs and he didn't do nothing |
| 23:29.10 | chem|st | good morning X-Fade |
| 23:29.22 | Estel_ | You know what? I got enough of this bullshit, but I see IRc management is more swamp that I've though. Sure, mornish chanop happens, but moronish Association of simulatenmous Adoration is different things |
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| 23:29.33 | Estel_ | hi, X-Fade |
| 23:29.44 | chem|st | lol |
| 23:29.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | oooh, chanlog is fun. I suggest to use /msg chanserv access #maemo list, to get a list of chanops |
| 23:30.05 | Estel_ | You're defending his out-of-line behavior, just because he is Your colleague |
| 23:30.33 | Estel_ | ...at the same time, you're using double standards, and protecting Your own nick against further edist, chem|st |
| 23:30.35 | kke | too much drama in the lbc |
| 23:30.39 | Estel_ | Honestly, i'm tired of this bullshit |
| 23:30.46 | chem|st | Estel_: I actualy did not defend him in the way you think I did, I am actualy only against your attitude |
| 23:31.00 | Estel_ | my attitude? lemme quote: |
| 23:31.20 | Estel_ | <Estel_> still doens't answer why you haven't fixed it to not being depreciating to others (and other official channels) |
| 23:31.21 | Estel_ | <Estel_> if someone would make factoid "Docscrutinizer is a moron", you would probably fix it. |
| 23:31.21 | Estel_ | <Estel_> at least, You're chanop for such things too, yep? |
| 23:31.27 | Estel_ | sure, bad attitude |
| 23:31.50 | chem|st | the last quote has a fine answere ... NO he isn't |
| 23:32.13 | chem|st | infobot has nothing to do with chanops... |
| 23:32.14 | Estel_ | like it or not, but we will have it fixed/straightened. This small, quite irrelevant case is just an example of failing to maintain responsibilities. |
| 23:32.38 | Estel_ | chem|st, so enlighten me - why You were able to lock factoid? |
| 23:32.45 | chem|st | yeah we all in here fail to maintain responsibilities |
| 23:32.51 | Estel_ | i don't care if it's chanop, or infobot admin |
| 23:32.59 | chem|st | because it is my nick! |
| 23:33.05 | GeneralAntilles | What's going down here, kids? |
| 23:33.08 | Estel_ | fact is that he was able to fix it, and refuses, due t4o personal frustrations against TMO |
| 23:33.21 | chem|st | GeneralAntilles: he's after me daddy |
| 23:33.25 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, see query |
| 23:33.36 | chem|st | Estel_: ehrm no... |
| 23:34.20 | chem|st | he is refusing to take a shitstorm as soft summerbreeze and act as your hobbit |
| 23:34.24 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, got my private message here? |
| 23:34.24 | kke | i suggest you all reduce the percentage of lemons in your diets |
| 23:34.40 | Estel_ | kke, actually, got something interesting to say on merit? |
| 23:34.41 | chem|st | kke: less lemons are you nuts? |
| 23:34.48 | Estel_ | BTw, i love lemons ;) |
| 23:34.53 | Estel_ | ~lemon |
| 23:34.54 | infobot | Modern parser generator. URL: http://www.hwaci.com/sw/lemon/index.html |
| 23:35.20 | chem|st | ~chemist |
| 23:35.20 | infobot | methinks chemist is frensh housewife |
| 23:35.49 | chem|st | infobot: no, chemist is a french housewife |
| 23:35.49 | infobot | chem|st: okay |
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