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| 01:46.09 | Hurrian | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 08:04.58 | Jaffa | Woody14619: freemangordon: You seemed to be talking about the Facebook app on the N900 (I don't know which) but also about Hermes (which is more than just a Facebook app) |
| 08:05.28 | Jaffa | Woody14619: There are a few errors in handling authentication (not actually related to the CGI dump - it's just that Facebook requires a URL) which are tracked in Bugzilla. Patches welcome. |
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| 08:07.04 | freemangordon | Jaffa, hopefully today I will have compete RE of FB library used by FB widget and photo uploader responsible for login part |
| 08:07.17 | freemangordon | Will put that on gitorious when ready |
| 08:08.04 | freemangordon | Jaffa, you mean FB requires redirect URL? |
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| 08:25.49 | StyXman | k |
| 08:30.05 | Jaffa | freemangordon: Yes, even for apps which aren't websites |
| 08:30.59 | vi_ | freemangordon: If you have a moment could you explain to me how you eneded up with the values for : |
| 08:31.02 | vi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.06 | vi_ | and |
| 08:31.12 | vi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.28 | vi_ | they are a little above default. |
| 08:31.48 | vi_ | Did you simply conclude that by increasing nr_requests you should have longer fifo timeoput? |
| 08:31.52 | vi_ | ^timeout |
| 08:38.31 | freemangordon | Jaffa, yeah, I know that |
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| 08:39.38 | freemangordon | vi_, trial/error method, actually I was decompressing easy-debian while playinf with the values, no rationale behind, that is why I just left them on TMO |
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| 09:16.06 | vi_ | freemangordon: holy shit. |
| 09:16.53 | vi_ | using ramz@128MB I just decompressed an easy debian image in < 1 minute. |
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| 09:55.43 | teotwaki | holy fucking crap |
| 09:55.45 | teotwaki | We have a winner |
| 09:56.32 | teotwaki | in the search of the worst candidacy possible, I demand SIFO |
| 09:56.41 | teotwaki | Whose message, the whole message, was simply "any device". |
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| 10:10.17 | aparaatti | what are these other chanels for device pitching? |
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| 10:10.44 | chem|st | aparaatti: please elaborate |
| 10:11.21 | aparaatti | chem|st:: there is the competition for which is allocated part of n950:s so where do the rest go? :) |
| 10:12.31 | chem|st | it is written somewhere, 25 comunity awards 25 coding competition 25 Qt-devel and 25 somewhere... |
| 10:12.44 | chem|st | or like that |
| 10:13.02 | aparaatti | so what are the community and Qt-devel? |
| 10:13.47 | aparaatti | or qt-devel mainly... |
| 10:14.55 | aparaatti | but ok... gotta go |
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| 10:18.04 | chem|st | aparaatti: community awards are 25 devices for people doing good for the community in the past, qt-devel 25 devices is nokia's way to resurrect, coding competition devices as prizes for the annual competition... |
| 10:18.34 | chem|st | me thinks it was on the mailinglist cannot find it... |
| 10:19.12 | jozefk | I have a question about Nokia C2-01 and asking here because on #nokia channel there is nobody. I just want to change the language set on that phone and don't have any idea if that's possible to do and how? I need Serbian language on the phone. |
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| 10:21.23 | vi_ | jozefk: I do not know how you found this channel, however I can tell you are really barking up the wrong tree. |
| 10:22.02 | jozefk | somebody on #freenode told me to try here |
| 10:22.06 | teotwaki | jozefk: as vi_ said, wrong channel. |
| 10:22.13 | vi_ | they were trolling you. |
| 10:22.17 | vi_ | However... |
| 10:22.31 | vi_ | Or they were trollling us. |
| 10:22.50 | jozefk | ok. sorry then |
| 10:22.53 | teotwaki | np |
| 10:22.59 | vi_ | If you change the C2 product code to the regoin that includes serbia and then reflash the phone software |
| 10:23.11 | vi_ | the language pack should be installed. |
| 10:23.23 | jozefk | vi_, you have some link with guides for example? |
| 10:23.44 | jozefk | can it be done on linux or win7? |
| 10:24.27 | chem|st | jozefk: s40 languages are preset for your region |
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| 10:24.43 | chem|st | ah yeah vi_ said it |
| 10:25.03 | jozefk | ok thanks for that info too |
| 10:25.34 | vi_ | jozefk: use windoze. |
| 10:25.50 | jozefk | win7 64bit I mean |
| 10:25.54 | vi_ | jozefk: search the net for 'nemisis service suite change product code'. |
| 10:25.55 | jozefk | that's what I have |
| 10:26.08 | jozefk | and I have linux |
| 10:26.09 | vi_ | that should get you started. |
| 10:26.15 | vi_ | jozefk: then you are fucked |
| 10:26.20 | vi_ | linux is for homos |
| 10:26.25 | jozefk | hahahahaha |
| 10:26.32 | vi_ | linux user==lUSER |
| 10:26.38 | Raimu | vi_: I've used ramz with 128MB now for two days and it's ridiculously powerful. |
| 10:26.55 | vi_ | Raimu: Damn, you have blown my cover. |
| 10:27.07 | jozefk | nemesis won't work on win7 64bit? |
| 10:27.30 | vi_ | jozefk: I have NFC. Like we said we are nothing to do with nokia symbian devices. |
| 10:27.48 | vi_ | Raimu: yeah, I think I got lucky and accidentially stumbled on the right settings. |
| 10:28.21 | vi_ | If I try and tweak any of those values for 128MB the whole thing starts to fail, hard. |
| 10:29.24 | vi_ | Raimu: as best I can tell, those settings should not work! |
| 10:29.51 | vi_ | We need someone whos VM tuning and iostat to explain why it works. |
| 10:30.04 | vi_ | (or at least I do) |
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| 10:34.01 | jacekowski | jozefk: there are two ways of doing it |
| 10:34.14 | jacekowski | jozefk: but you need phonenix for both |
| 10:34.22 | jacekowski | jozefk: phoenix* |
| 10:34.56 | jacekowski | jozefk: one involves changing product code to serbian version of it and flashing firmware for that product code |
| 10:35.14 | jacekowski | jozefk: and then language will stay when you upgrade through pc suite |
| 10:35.29 | jozefk | where to get phoenix and all other required things? |
| 10:35.43 | jacekowski | jozefk: or you have to just flash required language pack |
| 10:35.58 | jacekowski | changing product code pretty much voids your warranty |
| 10:36.05 | jacekowski | flashing additonal language packs not so much |
| 10:36.30 | jozefk | I don't care about warranty :) I like the more simple and faster way of getting serbian language on it |
| 10:36.36 | jozefk | but I have no XP |
| 10:36.42 | jozefk | only Win7 64bit |
| 10:36.44 | jozefk | and linux |
| 10:37.17 | jacekowski | get winxp then |
| 10:38.10 | jozefk | if that's the only one way I will just go to some repairing shop instead and ask them to do it for me :) pay them some money and finish. |
| 10:38.25 | vi_ | jacekowski: You can use 'nemisis suite' which is far simpler program than phoenix. |
| 10:39.06 | vi_ | To change product code with just a USB cable. Then you use nokia suite to update to whatever firmware you want. |
| 10:39.20 | vi_ | AFAIK phoenix requires all sorts of funky hardware. |
| 10:39.43 | jozefk | nemesis for S40 phones? |
| 10:39.53 | jacekowski | vi_: no it doesn't |
| 10:40.15 | jacekowski | vi_: phoenix can work with just usb cable |
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| 10:46.05 | chem|st | Estel_: I just made up my mind about those nokia device seeding, don't you think that "standard coders" should be not eligible as there are 75 devices for coding-only?! |
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| 10:47.06 | chem|st | Estel_: meaning CA devices for non-coders and coders with community projects like KP CSSU e.a. - only |
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| 10:48.43 | vi_ | So does this mean my ITT thanks and MO karma are finally going to be useful? |
| 10:52.32 | Hurrian | vi_, I think that was the point of the CA |
| 10:52.32 | chem|st | vi_: if council decides to do as I propose, maybe ;) |
| 10:52.50 | vi_ | Finally, everything is coming up millhouse! |
| 10:53.44 | chem|st | Hurrian: well if they include weekend-worrior-coders and weight that above non-coders, no non-coders apart of (I guess) 3 will get a device |
| 10:54.59 | vi_ | does scriptor==coder? |
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| 10:55.37 | chem|st | coders who turned their back to the community and got aware of the CA (and applied) should get something huge shoved up their behind |
| 10:56.03 | chem|st | is looking for his firefighter-boots |
| 10:56.05 | vi_ | chem|st: finally, you and I can agree on something. |
| 10:56.21 | chem|st | vi_: lol we agree alot you just don't recognize |
| 10:56.31 | Hurrian | chem|st, depends what you mean on turning their back on the community |
| 10:57.14 | vi_ | Hurrian: For example, if Titan turned up and said. Yo, dawgs I heard u like My power kernel. N9 now plox. |
| 10:57.23 | chem|st | my way of discussing or entering discussions for maemo is biased by the fact that I like to at least pretend to have an opposite position and want to save $user lives |
| 10:57.58 | vi_ | Or Matan appeared and said 'I more or less invented CSSU, an n950 is essential to my needs.' |
| 10:58.44 | vi_ | Or Revdkathy. |
| 10:58.44 | Hurrian | ah. |
| 10:58.47 | chem|st | Hurrian: well, leaving it behind, coding some fancy tool but stopped looking out for >1year |
| 10:59.27 | vi_ | 'I have not actually been involved in over a year now, howver I herd there were som free fonez. I can have?' |
| 10:59.29 | Hurrian | but basically, you want the coders to be left out of the CA? |
| 10:59.48 | chem|st | I do not know why n950s are essential to his needs in terms of cssu... or does he mean cssu for harmattan? |
| 11:00.10 | Hurrian | (definition of coders being people who have published packages on the repos/store/etc) |
| 11:00.14 | vi_ | Hurrian: I think he means not taking coding into account when evaluating and entry for CA |
| 11:00.21 | Hurrian | ah |
| 11:00.23 | chem|st | Hurrian: at least those who did just port/code some apps |
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| 11:00.42 | vi_ | chem|st: How do you even quantify a 'coder' anyway. |
| 11:00.44 | Hurrian | makes sense. |
| 11:00.54 | chem|st | there are many coders heavily involved with the community which should be eligible |
| 11:01.14 | Hurrian | vi_, yeah, that's a problem: package support does intermingle with community involement |
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| 11:01.21 | chem|st | when it comes to that the list is very short and most of them are in here... |
| 11:01.46 | vi_ | For example, is a person who contributes scripts a coder? |
| 11:02.13 | vi_ | It is all very vague. |
| 11:02.58 | vi_ | WHat I am hoping is the council will be able to spread the nokia loot as widely among the active members of TMO as possible. |
| 11:03.24 | jozefk | jacekowski, http://www.articlecms.in/3893-how-to-flash-nokia-phones-using-phoenix-service-software.html#.T8dK-P7X-Jo |
| 11:03.25 | chem|st | vi_: no it is not, a coder who did not get involved with this community apart of posting an tmo announcement about his app and porting like 10 apps would be not eligible |
| 11:03.30 | vi_ | And no, I do not mean the eipc android thread. |
| 11:03.36 | jozefk | is that looks like a nice guide? |
| 11:03.49 | chem|st | well there are 100 devices, 75 for coders only... |
| 11:04.20 | Hurrian | vi_, or the "halp how do i flash n900 after installing speedpatch" |
| 11:04.32 | Hurrian | "halp can you send me webos games" |
| 11:04.37 | chem|st | coders doing CSSU or KP or something alike wont ever get one of those 75 so they should be elegible for the 25 by CA |
| 11:05.15 | vi_ | 25 devices or 24 n950s? |
| 11:05.20 | vi_ | ^25 |
| 11:05.43 | chem|st | I think its 10 n950s and 15 n9s |
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| 11:05.54 | Hurrian | chem|st, that's right |
| 11:06.06 | chem|st | Hurrian: which part? |
| 11:06.15 | Hurrian | # of devices for CA |
| 11:06.16 | chem|st | devices or CSSU? |
| 11:06.19 | chem|st | ok |
| 11:06.37 | vi_ | chem|st: are you able to delete tmo accounts? |
| 11:06.48 | chem|st | I have hard feelings about someone porting 25 apps/whatever getting one of those 25 CA devices! |
| 11:07.02 | chem|st | vi_: depends |
| 11:07.09 | chem|st | in general yes |
| 11:07.29 | vi_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1215426#post1215426 |
| 11:07.31 | chem|st | but we prefer reggie handling deletion requests |
| 11:07.42 | vi_ | fair enough |
| 11:14.41 | chem|st | vi_: I removed his post but didn't clean out; however, opened a moderator ticket |
| 11:15.07 | chem|st | so he is currently invisible to $user |
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| 11:23.08 | chem|st | vi_: "council corruption scandal" nice one |
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| 11:31.25 | chem|st | Estel_: AND someone should get only a device if not getting one of the 75 coder-only devices! |
| 11:32.18 | chem|st | at least pretend to be fair... |
| 11:35.25 | chem|st | vi_: what do you think? |
| 11:35.31 | chem|st | Hurrian: you too |
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| 12:02.00 | vi_ | I think it is pretty obvious. |
| 12:02.13 | vi_ | You can't give someone 2 prizes. |
| 12:02.19 | vi_ | That would suck asses. |
| 12:02.29 | vi_ | For everyone else. |
| 12:02.31 | Hurrian | chem|st, shouldn't it be one prize per person? |
| 12:02.58 | Hurrian | >1 prize per person for lots of people with 100 phones to give out would be boo |
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| 12:06.42 | chem|st | vi_: Hurrian that's what I think too, but it seems council thinks different, at least Estel_ said to a devel that if he gets an n950 from the coder75 he could still get a n9 from CA25 |
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| 12:08.35 | Hurrian | isnt the point of the CA25 is so that the people who aren't qualified for the coder75 (but still essential parts of the Maemo community who actually contribute well) to be rewarded for their efforts (and thus motivated to stay) |
| 12:09.17 | Hurrian | the more good people we can keep happy and tinkering with Maemo, the longer we can probably stay together |
| 12:09.23 | vi_ | chem|st: in effect 1 user getting 2 prizes? Fuck right off. |
| 12:09.55 | chem|st | that's the idea, that is why I would say coders apart from those mentioned should not get a device from CA25 |
| 12:10.04 | vi_ | People should be allowed to enter as many catagories as they see fit, however they should recieve at maximum 1 prize. |
| 12:10.22 | chem|st | agreed |
| 12:10.40 | vi_ | Otherwise you will find your small selection of prizes going to few people. |
| 12:10.56 | chem|st | which community coding efforts do we have besides CSSU and KP? |
| 12:10.57 | vi_ | And I can assure you, this will not kindle good will. |
| 12:11.59 | vi_ | None that I can think off, however CSSU encompasses a lot of smaller pieces. |
| 12:12.33 | chem|st | nice comment again (email, those guys are nuts... you are never anonymous in the internet if not using TOR onion or alike properly) |
| 12:13.10 | jacekowski | tor has been broken |
| 12:13.27 | chem|st | for cssu, maintainers and direct efforts count in my opinion |
| 12:13.33 | jacekowski | and saying that, i'm against anonymity |
| 12:13.46 | jacekowski | in the way people want it |
| 12:14.03 | chem|st | jacekowski: right |
| 12:14.29 | jacekowski | internet access should be limited |
| 12:14.32 | chem|st | people want anonymity to do what ever they want without getting charged |
| 12:14.54 | chem|st | jacekowski: ok now you'r going crazy... ;) |
| 12:15.04 | jacekowski | chem|st: unfortunately most ys |
| 12:15.05 | jacekowski | yes* |
| 12:15.23 | jacekowski | chem|st: it would solve spam problem |
| 12:15.51 | chem|st | I want anonymity to not have google/microsoft/$company know everything about me just by me being online |
| 12:16.04 | jacekowski | i agree with that |
| 12:16.24 | chem|st | I don't want to be anonymous in here on the other hand |
| 12:16.49 | jacekowski | but i don't want for somebody to be able to do what they want without any responsibility |
| 12:17.26 | jacekowski | when somebody starts spamming on irc then he should be hit by a banhammer and never allowed to see internet again |
| 12:17.39 | chem|st | ;) |
| 12:18.30 | chem|st | as long as there are operatingsystems with holes big as I could fit in a horse there will be troyans and botnets... |
| 12:19.04 | jacekowski | it should be user responsibility |
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| 12:19.23 | Hurrian | jacekowski, the problem is people don't behave |
| 12:19.35 | Hurrian | that goes for both sides of the argument |
| 12:19.36 | jacekowski | Hurrian: then they wouldn't be allowed to see internet |
| 12:19.39 | Raimu | Not if there isn't something that makes them behave. |
| 12:20.01 | jacekowski | simple and effective |
| 12:20.04 | Raimu | The threat of losing public standing or getting punched in the face is enough to keep most people civil in face-to-face communication. |
| 12:20.39 | jacekowski | threat of never being able to go to facebook.com would be probably the same for most people |
| 12:20.55 | chem|st | vi_: please stop the trollfeeding! |
| 12:21.01 | vi_ | -_- |
| 12:21.05 | vi_ | I have a problem. |
| 12:21.16 | Hurrian | >account gets hacked, spammer spams, user is banned off the internet |
| 12:21.20 | Hurrian | wat do |
| 12:21.21 | Raimu | http://swingnews.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/greater-internet-fuckwad-theory1.jpg |
| 12:21.33 | vi_ | Raimu: classic |
| 12:21.37 | Raimu | Yes. |
| 12:21.43 | vi_ | Raimu: and I did not even open the link. |
| 12:22.02 | Hurrian | you're only doing this if you can 100% tie everybody to their internet face |
| 12:22.05 | Raimu | Yes, just mention John Gabriel's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory and people in the know raise eyebrows approvingly. |
| 12:22.15 | vi_ | I showed that to Mrs vi_ last night to try and explain why the news story on the bbc about girl gamers being targeted for abuse was BS. |
| 12:22.59 | Hurrian | Raimu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_disinhibition_effect |
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| 12:24.36 | Raimu | Hurrian, yes. |
| 12:24.42 | Hurrian | vi_, people openly mention their genders on very large, open-access discussion forums? |
| 12:24.47 | Raimu | vi, my missus trolls horny guys on sex chats. |
| 12:25.06 | Raimu | So far it sounds like a worthwhile fire-with-fire cause. |
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| 12:30.00 | aparaatti | I seriously suspect that lumiaman is in tmo to make bad blood, he makes no sense |
| 12:31.33 | chem|st | aparaatti: link pls |
| 12:32.02 | chem|st | aparaatti: there is a thread about the devices sed http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84322 |
| 12:32.36 | aparaatti | stuff like that: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1207203#post1207203 |
| 12:32.45 | aparaatti | ty |
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| 12:33.18 | vi_ | aparaatti: Yes, however he does not actually cause any problems. |
| 12:33.42 | Hurrian | aparaatti, registering with a name "Lumiaman", openly promoting Lumias, which the community staunchly dislikes, and starting shit on tmo? |
| 12:33.51 | Hurrian | does raise red flags. |
| 12:33.56 | vi_ | You always have to have some guy playing devils advocate. |
| 12:34.04 | vi_ | remember it is TMO, not XDA. |
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| 12:34.15 | aparaatti | what is xda? |
| 12:34.28 | vi_ | XDA is where good intentions go to die. |
| 12:34.51 | Hurrian | aparaatti, some huge forum for every device ever made. yes, the dev to idiot ratio is insane. |
| 12:34.58 | Hurrian | i do mean /huge/ |
| 12:35.01 | vi_ | XDA developers is a forum mostly specialising in android devices. |
| 12:35.10 | vi_ | it is almost the polar opposite of TMO. |
| 12:35.19 | vi_ | It is a complete toilet of a forum. |
| 12:35.33 | vi_ | Maybe 1 notch above 'ipmart' |
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| 12:35.37 | Hurrian | every major smartphone non-nokia and non-palm from the past 7 years or so has a subforum |
| 12:36.02 | vi_ | Hurrian: yet no maemo sub-forum. |
| 12:36.08 | vi_ | What are they afraid of? |
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| 12:37.25 | vi_ | XDA-they bicker over which appz to bandaid a problem. |
| 12:37.42 | vi_ | TMO-they bicker over which scipting langueage to use to bandaid a problem. |
| 12:42.01 | chem|st | vi_: aparaatti I admonished him, next time I make it count... |
| 12:42.16 | chem|st | sounds like a pissed off fanboy |
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| 12:43.45 | chem|st | do we need twitter accounts thread sticky? |
| 12:43.56 | chem|st | twitter is another form of XDA to me |
| 12:44.12 | chem|st | XDA with filtering support^^ |
| 12:46.07 | Raimu | OT: http://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/392380_3645934780207_1029526329_3281305_2046772520_n.jpg these EULAs are getting worse all the time. |
| 12:46.57 | chem|st | ehrm warranty void if unpacked? |
| 12:47.13 | Hurrian | :o |
| 12:48.36 | jaska | you only get a warranty for the cardboard box :) |
| 12:49.25 | chem|st | hehe |
| 12:49.25 | Raimu | They've realized SSDs are bought for extreme penile compensation and they've calculated that just having the box on your bookshelf will suffice. |
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| 12:56.41 | chem|st | now all device program threads are sticky, still the question if we need twitter thread |
| 12:56.53 | vi_ | no |
| 12:57.03 | vi_ | twitter is fake. And gay. |
| 12:59.16 | chem|st | dated sticky threads back from 2010... those mods aren't what they used to be anymore^^ |
| 13:00.00 | chem|st | unstickied! |
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| 13:14.29 | chem|st | now he is starting me... lumiaman posted my PM... |
| 13:14.58 | vi_ | I swa. |
| 13:15.00 | vi_ | ^saw |
| 13:15.06 | vi_ | I lolled. |
| 13:15.20 | chem|st | being called police everytime you make someone aware of being out-of-line makes me sicki |
| 13:15.35 | chem|st | sick |
| 13:17.17 | vi_ | Fuckit, he is a douche. It is the price you pay when you are in a position of authority. |
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| 13:18.24 | aparaatti | :) sorry |
| 13:19.11 | chem|st | at least I got aware of a thread being in general ment to be in off-topic^^ |
| 13:19.30 | chem|st | what has nokia stock to do with maemo... |
| 13:20.49 | Macer | heh |
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| 13:58.42 | dafox | in which country is that eula even valid/legal? |
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| 14:20.17 | teotwaki | dafox: none, as far as I can tell. |
| 14:20.44 | vi_ | It seems quite reasonable to me, |
| 14:21.19 | vi_ | Samsung can no longer guarantee the quality of this box after some spacker has spam fistedly tried to open it. |
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| 15:37.24 | ArchGT | hello, I just installed the kernel for power users but now I don't have cellular network |
| 15:37.57 | ArchGT | I guess that's not the expected behavior |
| 15:38.44 | Raimu | freemangordon: *ping* |
| 15:38.49 | Raimu | ^^^ |
| 15:39.48 | Raimu | ArchGT: Do you have tweaking apps, own-made scripts or the like that should be mentioned now, installed? |
| 15:40.09 | Raimu | Or a really steep overclock? |
| 15:40.16 | ArchGT | Raimu: no, I reflashed the os a couple days ago |
| 15:40.27 | ArchGT | barely a few apps beyond stock |
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| 15:41.15 | SpeedEvil | Ow. |
| 15:41.18 | Raimu | That's good. Hmm, I can't recall offhand what logs would be useful now. Stick around on the IRC channel and the maintainer'll pop up. |
| 15:41.35 | ArchGT | Raimu: ok, thanks |
| 15:41.37 | SpeedEvil | i hadn't realised it had crashed that far. Stock price had been ~5 for most of last year, and it's now half that in the last 3 months |
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| 15:41.42 | ArchGT | Raimu: ¿who's the maintainer? |
| 15:41.55 | ArchGT | so I can ask when I see him |
| 15:44.09 | chem|st | ArchGT: he will come back to you! was already "pinged" |
| 15:45.01 | ArchGT | heh |
| 15:45.15 | ArchGT | chem|st, Raimu: thanks |
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| 16:01.48 | vi_ | ArchGT: are you sure you do not have offline mode on? |
| 16:02.02 | Woody14619 | chem|st, one of the qulifiers on CA is that those going for the other awards (or past award recipients) can't get a CA device. It would be easier to guarantee if CA were after the competitions, but I'm pretty sure quim is seeing to it that the other competitions have the same clause. |
| 16:03.29 | ArchGT | xD |
| 16:03.38 | ArchGT | vi_: no, I have already done offline/online switching |
| 16:06.19 | Woody14619 | ArchGT, are you sure it's not a contact issue? (eg did you try to paper-wedge trick?) Also, when you flashed, did you flash a full fiasco image? Was it for the correct region? If it was for the wrong region the GSM firmware may not be liking life. There are lots of TMO posts of people flashing region 2/3 devices with global firmware with the same issue. |
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| 16:07.39 | vi_ | ArchGT: is there even an error message? |
| 16:07.50 | vi_ | like a picture of a sim card with a red line through it? |
| 16:09.02 | ArchGT | Woody14619: I have not tried the paper wedge because cellular was lost right after the kernel install but I can try I guess. Then the flashing went ok but I did not use the "right" image I flashed with the international version. However that was two days ago so, why now? |
| 16:09.08 | ArchGT | vi_: no error |
| 16:11.21 | Woody14619 | ArchGT, Flashing the wrong region is a bad idea usually. Changing from a custom (eg vodaphone) to an open one is normally ok, as long as you match the region. |
| 16:12.19 | Woody14619 | ArchGT, so I'm confused a little: If there's no sim card with a red line, what's not working? Can it make calls? Send sms? Is GPRS/data not working? |
| 16:13.01 | ArchGT | Woody14619: I'mm booting after doing the paper thing |
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| 16:13.19 | Woody14619 | K. :) |
| 16:13.33 | Woody14619 | Keep an eye out for a yellow pop-up banner. |
| 16:13.38 | ArchGT | Woody14619: and no sim card icon, just a error message about "no cellular network" -but in spanish- when i try to make a phone call |
| 16:14.06 | ArchGT | and in connections the 3g/gprs network doesn't show up |
| 16:14.17 | Woody14619 | Often if there's trouble with a sim it tells you something like "unable to register with network" at start up. |
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| 16:14.41 | Woody14619 | Hmm.. See, that's not a N900 talking to sim issue, that's a sim talking to network issue. |
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| 16:15.12 | ArchGT | Woody14619: I didn't get any error at boot |
| 16:15.22 | ArchGT | now or the past few times |
| 16:16.32 | Woody14619 | You can always try reverting to Nokia kernel (via the app installed by KP) and see if that fixes it? But I susspect it something going on with your provider, not your device. |
| 16:17.19 | ArchGT | Woody14619: I have another phone at hand, I'm going to try the sim on that phone |
| 16:17.35 | Woody14619 | Almost sounds like the provider turned your sim off. |
| 16:17.49 | ArchGT | crap |
| 16:17.52 | Woody14619 | Another possability: Where/when did you get this N900? Was it recent? |
| 16:17.53 | ArchGT | they don't like me |
| 16:18.34 | Raimu | You've been disconnected from the service provider? |
| 16:18.35 | Woody14619 | Well, at least you know it's not a broken n900? ;) Sims are easy to replace. |
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| 16:18.51 | ArchGT | Woody14619: actually this n900 history is quite long, I bought it from amazon, a couple of years ago. Then it stopped recognizing the sim so it went back to nokia |
| 16:19.19 | ArchGT | they repaired the thing but it didn't got quite right |
| 16:19.27 | ArchGT | it doesn't charge the battery now |
| 16:19.51 | ArchGT | but since I love the device I don't want to stop using it |
| 16:20.06 | Raimu | How do you charge the battery? :) |
| 16:20.19 | ArchGT | Raimu: a 10$ charger from ebay |
| 16:20.27 | Woody14619 | ArchGT: that sucks. :( My concern was if it was recent that maybe it's IMEI was registered stolen. That would cause a provider to drop you. |
| 16:20.45 | ArchGT | heh |
| 16:20.51 | Raimu | Reminds me of the frail USB manufacturing defect. |
| 16:22.03 | ArchGT | I just made a call with the sim on another phone |
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| 16:24.36 | Raimu | I see. |
| 16:25.01 | Raimu | I suppose you've tried cleaning the SIM card's conductive surface and stuff like that? |
| 16:25.09 | Woody14619 | I'd try moving back to standard kernel & see if that brings you back. I doubt it. But even then, mixing hardware regions from flash images is begging for problems. |
| 16:26.20 | Raimu | If there has been a persistent problem before with the SIM card reader part of your n900, it could be it's just breaking completely now. |
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| 16:26.59 | Raimu | ArchGT: Do you remember -- did you get to make any calls or SMSes or something after you installed kernel-power? |
| 16:30.08 | ArchGT | Raimu: not one single call |
| 16:30.38 | ArchGT | I installed the kernel today at 6 am, then powerdown, powerup |
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| 17:07.35 | vi__ | Nher royal highnes head crab? |
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| 17:22.07 | Estel_ | chem|st, don't worry, whole CA idea is about prizes not only for devs... |
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| 17:22.49 | Estel_ | it mean that if someone is dv but his community pqaryticipation is only via posting small annoucement on tmo, he won't get device |
| 17:23.40 | Estel_ | btw, who said starting in CC, qt5 and Nokia store disqualify from CA? |
| 17:24.03 | Estel_ | Woody14619, in fact it's the opposite. Former prizes disqualify. |
| 17:24.49 | Estel_ | if, for example - hyphoteticaly - qwazix get device from CA due to his deeds for community, he dcan get one from qt5mas well |
| 17:25.10 | vi__ | Estel_: but that suscks |
| 17:25.26 | Woody14619 | Estel_, that's what I said. |
| 17:26.07 | Woody14619 | Estel_, past recipients can't get a CA device. |
| 17:26.38 | freemangordon | Woody14619, they can if it is not the sae, i.e. if you got n950 you can get N9 |
| 17:26.39 | Woody14619 | vi__: Why would you say that sucks? Someone should be able to get multiple free N9s? |
| 17:26.48 | freemangordon | *same |
| 17:26.54 | freemangordon | AIUI |
| 17:26.54 | Woody14619 | freemangordon, yes, that's corret. |
| 17:27.30 | vi__ | Woody14619: I am saying they should not. |
| 17:28.04 | vi__ | A person should be allowed to enter as many catogories as they wish but only eligable to win 1 prize. |
| 17:28.21 | freemangordon | vi__, that is what has been agreed on mailing list |
| 17:28.27 | vi__ | oh |
| 17:28.34 | vi__ | then wtf are we arguing about? |
| 17:28.37 | freemangordon | has been/was |
| 17:28.50 | freemangordon | NFC, just woke up :D |
| 17:29.16 | vi__ | if, for example - hyphoteticaly - qwazix get device from CA due to his deeds for community, he dcan get one from qt5mas well |
| 17:29.25 | vi__ | ^then what does this mean? |
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| 17:30.13 | freemangordon | if qwazix gets n950 from CA he cannot get n950 from QT but can get N9. Both are devices :P |
| 17:30.37 | Estel_ | yea |
| 17:30.37 | vi__ | so an entrant CAN get more than 1 device then? |
| 17:30.39 | freemangordon | Woody14619, correct? |
| 17:30.45 | Estel_ | correct freemangordon |
| 17:30.52 | freemangordon | vi__, sure thing |
| 17:30.58 | Woody14619 | who's arguing? |
| 17:31.03 | Estel_ | samde for N9 from CA and N950 from qt5 |
| 17:31.17 | freemangordon | NFC :D. I am still having my coffee :P |
| 17:31.35 | freemangordon | Woody14619 ^^^ |
| 17:31.36 | vi__ | But that means that there will be fewer people with prizes at the end. |
| 17:31.37 | Estel_ | morning freemangordon ;) |
| 17:31.43 | vi__ | Therefore less good will. |
| 17:31.44 | freemangordon | yeah, morning |
| 17:31.49 | Estel_ | vi_, You would like sifo to get one? |
| 17:31.59 | vi__ | I have no say in the matter. |
| 17:32.16 | Estel_ | vi_, if someone qualifies in both categories and is recognized by both... |
| 17:32.31 | Estel_ | vi_, if someone qualifies in both categories and is recognized by both... |
| 17:32.35 | Estel_ | ops |
| 17:32.36 | vi__ | then he has a double chance of winning. |
| 17:32.49 | Woody14619 | doubts CA is going to generate anything but bitching and bad things for the community, and has througth this since it was introduced (before being elected) |
| 17:33.04 | Estel_ | Council have nothing to do with qt5 and nokia store |
| 17:33.04 | freemangordon | vi__, bat what if he deserves one? |
| 17:33.36 | Estel_ | Woody14619, it is going to generate, erm, smile on face of long-term contributors to community |
| 17:34.02 | Estel_ | instead of ugly ironic smile on face of people claiming what they will do after receiving N950 and dissapearing week after |
| 17:34.04 | Estel_ | :P |
| 17:34.07 | freemangordon | Woody14619, while you may be right, how exactly merlin1991 will have a chance to get a device if not through CA? |
| 17:34.21 | freemangordon | for example |
| 17:34.24 | Estel_ | qt5 and nokia store - especially the latter - isn't even Maemo related |
| 17:34.46 | Woody14619 | vi__, Here's the thing. the coding compeatitions all give awards *after* CA is over. We won't know who gets what from competitions. If you're concerened that someone will get 2, you need to talk to someone in charge of those competitions to fix their rules... |
| 17:35.02 | Estel_ | Nokia can give their prizes whenever they want, but CA is our thing for our contributors |
| 17:35.03 | freemangordon | Estel_, whatch what you're writing here, it is Maemo6 :P |
| 17:35.33 | Estel_ | freemangordon, :P |
| 17:35.46 | Estel_ | and winphone is maemo7 |
| 17:35.49 | Woody14619 | work calls, brb |
| 17:35.56 | Estel_ | see ya |
| 17:36.02 | vi__ | I am not making a fuss. I just felt that the most people getting the most prizes would be the most desireable outcome. |
| 17:36.06 | freemangordon | FB RE calls, bb |
| 17:36.16 | Estel_ | vi_, of course, but only if theydeserve it |
| 17:36.34 | Estel_ | do You see more than 25 people deserving CA prizes? |
| 17:36.44 | vi__ | Estel_: I do not know. |
| 17:37.03 | vi__ | But I can think of at least 10 |
| 17:37.17 | Estel_ | btw what was that "corruption in council" thread, You've saved good laugh from me :( |
| 17:37.22 | Estel_ | no topic when I tried it |
| 17:37.27 | vi__ | ha |
| 17:37.27 | Estel_ | short summary, pls? |
| 17:37.30 | Estel_ | btw, vi |
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| 17:38.20 | vi__ | it was the CA thread |
| 17:38.36 | vi__ | in response to some dumb stuff some people where suggesting. |
| 17:38.55 | freemangordon | Estel_, ^^^ |
| 17:38.57 | vi__ | Estel_: did you try compcache yet? |
| 17:39.15 | freemangordon | vi__, BTW how that develops? |
| 17:39.24 | vi__ | freemangordon: I got lucky. |
| 17:39.34 | freemangordon | you win the pot? |
| 17:39.42 | Estel_ | vi_, not yet |
| 17:40.07 | Estel_ | vi_, why You're using 50 nicknames, I query You just to notice that it doesn't arrived in proper address |
| 17:40.07 | vi__ | I am utterly unable to tweak the values to any extent without the whole thing grinding to a halt. |
| 17:40.40 | vi__ | Estel_: 50 nicknames, what? |
| 17:40.48 | Estel_ | vi_, I'm quite afraid those settings will work only for specific user case |
| 17:40.58 | Estel_ | You're here as vi_ , then vi__ |
| 17:41.09 | Estel_ | and probably vi____ too |
| 17:41.34 | vi__ | freemangordon: I do not understand how the settings I accidentally used work. I have read about VM tuning a lot in the last 3 days and from what I can see these VM settings do not make any sense. |
| 17:41.57 | vi__ | however everyone who has tried them say they work. |
| 17:42.02 | freemangordon | vi__, but you have settings that work? |
| 17:42.07 | freemangordon | aaah |
| 17:42.13 | Estel_ | simple - Your use case mean sitting inside zram |
| 17:42.21 | vi__ | Estel_: nope |
| 17:42.25 | Estel_ | and there are people that reported ugly problems with those settings |
| 17:42.26 | vi__ | well yes |
| 17:42.29 | freemangordon | where those settings live? |
| 17:42.32 | vi__ | Estel_: no |
| 17:42.36 | vi__ | OK |
| 17:42.44 | vi__ | EVERYBDY CHILL THE F OUT. |
| 17:42.44 | Estel_ | in compcache thread on tmo, Your own thread, freemangordon :P |
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| 17:43.16 | vi__ | Estel_: The 3rd set of settings I posted are fail. They are what everyone is complaining about. |
| 17:43.26 | Estel_ | ah, I see |
| 17:43.39 | freemangordon | well, there was a bunch of settings there, last time i've checked there was no any breakthrough |
| 17:43.45 | vi__ | Estel_: The 2nd set, in a post that starts 'by jove FMG, I think you have done it' are made of win. |
| 17:44.16 | freemangordon | vi__, did you update wiki entry? |
| 17:44.38 | vi__ | freemangordon: they are still on the 1st set of settings. They also work quite well. |
| 17:44.51 | Estel_ | honestly, freemangordon, any idea why sane settings fail with comcache? |
| 17:44.59 | vi__ | they are the same as the 2nd, with a lower nr_requests. |
| 17:45.09 | Estel_ | it rather looks like bug somewhere... |
| 17:45.10 | freemangordon | Estel_, lack of free RAM |
| 17:45.21 | vi__ | about 3996 nr_requests less. |
| 17:45.24 | Estel_ | with 64 zram? |
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| 17:45.29 | freemangordon | yes |
| 17:45.43 | freemangordon | it is about 32MB of RAM |
| 17:45.47 | freemangordon | less |
| 17:45.51 | Estel_ | shouldn't be much of a problem, as we have 128 swap in ram? |
| 17:46.09 | freemangordon | but we don't have RAM for executable pages |
| 17:46.15 | Estel_ | so why it work on N800 with even less ram |
| 17:46.37 | Estel_ | and why executables can't live in zram |
| 17:46.38 | freemangordon | well, that is a wikd guess, never traced that stuff as thumb2 looks more promising to me :P |
| 17:46.57 | freemangordon | Estel_, because they are never swapped, just evicted from PGE |
| 17:46.59 | Estel_ | honestly I doubt we have 200+ MB of executabes |
| 17:47.10 | Estel_ | ok, understood |
| 17:47.10 | freemangordon | page table, or whatever was the kernel term |
| 17:47.29 | Estel_ | still I don't think we have so much executables in ram |
| 17:47.43 | Estel_ | judging by my ram usage without zram |
| 17:47.45 | freemangordon | Estel_, when kernel gets a page missing exceptio, it re-reads its content from the executable image |
| 17:48.38 | Estel_ | it's super strange, as zram is known for providing huge benefit on old notebooks with 64 mb RAM total |
| 17:49.12 | Estel_ | Your rationale sounds reasonable... |
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| 17:49.36 | Estel_ | But I just don't buy that it works on N800 and every other device well - even with low ram... |
| 17:49.37 | vi__ | Estel_: try this. |
| 17:49.38 | vi__ | http://slexy.org/view/s2EZkIubXX |
| 17:49.50 | vi__ | freemangordon: chill da f out, let him try it... |
| 17:49.52 | Estel_ | and doesn't work for our 256 ram |
| 17:50.06 | freemangordon | Estel_, the kernel is not the same, I wond bi surprozed we have some bug in 2.6.28 |
| 17:50.22 | Estel_ | yea. |
| 17:50.23 | freemangordon | *wont be surprized |
| 17:50.25 | vi__ | Estel_: whoops, cratch that |
| 17:50.28 | Estel_ | that is what I'm thinking about |
| 17:51.04 | Estel_ | vi_, whats the point of setting whatever_ratio and whatever_background_ratio to same number |
| 17:51.14 | freemangordon | Estel_, you can ask on Ubuntu 12.04 thread on TMO someone to try it with 2.6.37 |
| 17:51.20 | Estel_ | very essence of those settings is that they should be different numbers |
| 17:51.29 | Estel_ | freemangordon, ok |
| 17:51.34 | vi__ | Estel_: try this: |
| 17:51.35 | vi__ | http://slexy.org/view/s20mtq4yIo |
| 17:51.46 | Estel_ | I tend to agree, that it sounds like kernel bug |
| 17:52.03 | freemangordon | though I think it was 3.2 where that swap trashing was fixed |
| 17:52.04 | vi__ | remember to swapoff/swapon you current swap to sort the priorities out. |
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| 17:53.18 | freemangordon | Estel_, there is some i/o speed regression starting from 2.6.17 or something which lives happily until 3.2 or 3.3 |
| 17:53.35 | Estel_ | vi_, I'm afraid to turn those on :P looks like lottery - will work blazing fast, until You hit case of REAL swap activity |
| 17:53.39 | Estel_ | then You're doomed |
| 17:53.45 | Estel_ | tried it with easy debian? |
| 17:53.51 | vi__ | Estel_: no. |
| 17:53.54 | vi__ | ask hurrian |
| 17:54.00 | Estel_ | run chromium or iceweasel with 10 tabs or more, even tmo only |
| 17:54.01 | vi__ | He tried it. |
| 17:54.19 | freemangordon | there is 3 years old bug agains kernel on bugzilla, still open AFAIK |
| 17:54.19 | Estel_ | judging bu nr_request |
| 17:54.33 | vi__ | Estel_: I said it makes no sense. |
| 17:54.39 | vi__ | Estel_: just try it. |
| 17:54.40 | Estel_ | if You hit huge swap trashing, You can as good reboot device |
| 17:54.49 | Estel_ | ok, on 2nd device :P |
| 17:54.56 | vi__ | Estel_: !! |
| 17:55.38 | Estel_ | I'm cowardly refusing to try it on main device that is providing me radio, xchat and contact with world :P |
| 17:55.59 | freemangordon | I am brave, going to try it :P |
| 17:56.26 | Estel_ | then open easy debian - even without lxde - and, I don't know, chromium with few pages |
| 17:56.41 | freemangordon | Estel_, ok |
| 17:57.50 | vi__ | or you could try a more normal load. |
| 17:57.59 | vi__ | like 6 browser windows. |
| 17:58.01 | vi__ | sygic |
| 17:58.07 | vi__ | image viewer |
| 17:58.17 | vi__ | conversations+6 conversations |
| 17:58.24 | vi__ | while playing mp3 through OMP |
| 17:58.34 | freemangordon | vi__, I have io scheduler timeouts tweaked, is that a problem? |
| 17:59.00 | vi__ | freemangordon: I do not know. Anytime I touch those fifo timeouts it all goes to shit for me. |
| 17:59.16 | freemangordon | :D |
| 17:59.28 | vi__ | freemangordon: I have also left io quantum at the default 4 |
| 18:00.11 | freemangordon | vi__, in theory those should not affect CC in any way, as those are parameters for uSD |
| 18:00.19 | vi__ | yes |
| 18:00.30 | vi__ | Sorry, I am talking about when you filled CC |
| 18:00.40 | vi__ | and you are REALLY swapping in real life |
| 18:00.42 | vi__ | as it were |
| 18:00.56 | freemangordon | aaah, ok. my settings are amongs the best for that scenario |
| 18:01.04 | freemangordon | :P |
| 18:01.54 | Woody14619 | hates to leave, but have a real life meeting... so want to see how this works out though. :) |
| 18:02.10 | freemangordon | ok, 225896 of swap before starting lxde |
| 18:03.45 | vi__ | you notice no differance? |
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| 18:06.13 | Estel_ | vi_, I think that Your swap is so-called "inactive" swap |
| 18:06.18 | freemangordon | vi__, not sure, I need to run those for at least a day to have a deffinite answer |
| 18:06.36 | Estel_ | i.e. things that get swapped long time ago and never touched |
| 18:07.01 | Estel_ | and zYou "active" swap - i.e. only one that is constantly paged to and out of ram - is less than zram |
| 18:07.12 | Estel_ | that's why those settings work for You well |
| 18:07.22 | Estel_ | try easy debian for "real" memory hogs :P |
| 18:07.30 | Estel_ | microB isn't good testbed |
| 18:07.42 | Estel_ | try chromium or iceweasel with few tabs opened |
| 18:07.48 | freemangordon | Estel_, web browser in ED runs fine |
| 18:07.50 | vi__ | normal n900 use is not good testbed? |
| 18:07.52 | Estel_ | and loading new content |
| 18:08.05 | Estel_ | vi_, - no, as there is no such thing as *normal* |
| 18:08.08 | freemangordon | let me try open office while the browser is active |
| 18:08.39 | Estel_ | for me normal thing is to use chromium with plentora tabs opened |
| 18:08.49 | Estel_ | and spellchecking add-ons enabled :P |
| 18:08.59 | Estel_ | lazarus caching my test in case of any ooops |
| 18:09.38 | freemangordon | hmm, the shit is pretty responsive |
| 18:09.53 | vi__ | HA |
| 18:09.54 | Estel_ | ok, need to test it myself |
| 18:09.56 | Estel_ | :P |
| 18:10.11 | Estel_ | but still, as vi___ said, those settings are nonsense :P |
| 18:10.14 | freemangordon | Estel_, yeah, i am not mush in easy debian |
| 18:10.36 | vi__ | the point is before ramz=epic lag fest |
| 18:10.43 | vi__ | now ramz=good |
| 18:10.44 | Estel_ | vi__, will try it on main device later |
| 18:10.59 | vi__ | these settings are a good starting point. |
| 18:11.08 | Estel_ | You convinced me :P |
| 18:11.09 | vi__ | However as I have said. I do not understand why. |
| 18:11.14 | Estel_ | I'll try to check wtf |
| 18:11.20 | freemangordon | loading FB while open office writer is opened too |
| 18:11.26 | Estel_ | seems like task for tonight |
| 18:11.36 | Estel_ | FB - ultimate memory hog :P |
| 18:12.16 | Estel_ | with 128 MB of zram |
| 18:13.28 | Estel_ | afk for now |
| 18:13.30 | freemangordon | damn. I cannot enter @ |
| 18:13.41 | vi__ | freemangordon: on ED? |
| 18:13.43 | freemangordon | my keyboard mapping is screwed up |
| 18:13.46 | freemangordon | yep |
| 18:13.51 | vi__ | same here |
| 18:13.57 | vi__ | none of my cursor keys work |
| 18:14.02 | freemangordon | cannot enter my email address |
| 18:14.05 | vi__ | neither does esc or tab |
| 18:14.14 | vi__ | massive pain in the testes |
| 18:14.42 | Estel_ | freemangordon, try blue arrow + shift + space |
| 18:14.52 | Estel_ | and for having Your own keymap |
| 18:15.38 | Estel_ | cp /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 /.debian/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/ |
| 18:15.47 | Estel_ | then, in ed |
| 18:15.59 | Estel_ | setxkbmap <Your language code> |
| 18:16.12 | Estel_ | = same hardware keyboard config in ED as in Maemo |
| 18:16.14 | vi__ | Estel_: ORLY??? |
| 18:16.18 | freemangordon | but as you all now I am smart, i used OO writer "insert special char" functionality :P |
| 18:16.28 | vi__ | hah! |
| 18:16.56 | vi__ | Estel_: how to make lxterm in ED respect my .profile and .bashrc? |
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| 18:19.43 | freemangordon | hmm, 100% CPU load |
| 18:19.54 | freemangordon | for the last minute or so |
| 18:20.04 | freemangordon | :( |
| 18:20.47 | freemangordon | aah, finally, it dropped |
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| 18:21.24 | vi__ | bah |
| 18:21.45 | freemangordon | but only for a while, and according to iostat there is a massive io going on my swap partition |
| 18:22.58 | vi__ | well I am convinced that for normal use, it might work quite well. |
| 18:23.06 | freemangordon | yeah, [mmcqd] and [kswapd0] are the top processes according to top :( |
| 18:23.18 | vi__ | EPIC SWAPPAGE |
| 18:23.44 | freemangordon | vi__, or swap trashing if we should yse the correct word :P |
| 18:24.07 | vi__ | I guess asking to load the most hogging web site you can think of at the same time as a full desktop word processor is just too much for the phone. |
| 18:24.22 | vi__ | on a desktop browser. |
| 18:24.26 | vi__ | I quit. |
| 18:24.31 | vi__ | I am going to android. |
| 18:24.36 | freemangordon | :D |
| 18:27.34 | HRH_H_Crab | vi__: s/her/his s/head/horseshoe |
| 18:27.55 | freemangordon | vi__, but it really seems those setings are ok for a "normal" usage, will keep them for a while and will report |
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| 18:31.09 | freemangordon | no, they are not :( |
| 18:31.26 | freemangordon | vi__, sorry, no joy |
| 18:31.29 | vi__ | freemangordon: it has all gone to cock? |
| 18:31.31 | vi__ | meh |
| 18:31.42 | freemangordon | no, but it swaps constantly |
| 18:31.42 | chem|st | vi__: meh |
| 18:31.53 | ShadowJK | if we could use ramzswap with backing swap, and add a layer to reorder write requests, it might work fast fast |
| 18:32.17 | SpeedEvil | A nice reordering swap would be awesome. |
| 18:32.18 | vi__ | freemangordon: well it is a good starting point. |
| 18:32.25 | freemangordon | i closed ED, opened opera (through phoneme) and facebook in microb, and it swaps all the time |
| 18:32.29 | chem|st | vi__: the start of your email was good but you should not pretend to be a god... just be :) |
| 18:32.33 | SpeedEvil | reordering/defragmenting |
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| 18:32.59 | vi__ | chem|st: It was supposed to be tongue in cheek. |
| 18:33.18 | freemangordon | have in mind that i use that every day, keeping opera in background with a book opened, while browsing with microb |
| 18:34.06 | freemangordon | vi__, 128MB is just too much |
| 18:34.30 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil; ramzswap with backing swap seems to result in mostly random write I/O. Atleast with nokia swap, it's mostly "write sequentially into largest free block" |
| 18:35.07 | SpeedEvil | Which works well - untill... |
| 18:35.10 | freemangordon | ShadowJK, :nod:, and we just have to find the way to overcome that "bytes written" barrier |
| 18:35.19 | ShadowJK | and ramzswap without backing swap seems silly, don't you end up with least often used data there, before it overflows to regular swap? |
| 18:35.22 | chem|st | freemangordon: why is Estel_ telling people that they can get 2 devices from two categories? |
| 18:35.31 | chem|st | then? |
| 18:35.34 | ShadowJK | shrugs |
| 18:35.50 | chem|st | vi__: and again ;) |
| 18:36.06 | vi__ | and again what? |
| 18:37.13 | freemangordon | chem|st, I think it is because the people can get 2 devices from 2 different categories :) |
| 18:37.36 | ShadowJK | freemangordon; it's essentially a garbage collection problem. Java tries to solve this by having a "tenured" heap, a middle heap, and a "nursery" heap, the idea being that old objects expected to persist long migrate towards tenured heap, so that in the future garbage collection can leave it alone |
| 18:37.48 | ShadowJK | it's a complex problem :) |
| 18:37.53 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 18:39.12 | freemangordon | I am wondering what will happen if we split to 3-4 partitions |
| 18:39.20 | freemangordon | instead of 1 |
| 18:39.33 | chem|st | freemangordon: you said it was discussed on the mailinglist that they can not |
| 18:39.56 | freemangordon | nah, you misunderstood me |
| 18:39.57 | vi__ | 1-4 zram partitions? |
| 18:40.03 | freemangordon | no, uSD |
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| 18:41.11 | SpeedEvil | You then need to migrate tehm at some point |
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| 18:41.22 | SpeedEvil | this might in principle not be too bad, as this could be scheduled |
| 18:43.09 | chem|st | freemangordon: k |
| 18:43.18 | chem|st | Estel_: this sucks big time! |
| 18:43.27 | chem|st | pls discuss at council |
| 18:43.51 | chem|st | with quim too |
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| 18:45.22 | freemangordon | chem|st: [20:24] <freemangordon> if qwazix gets n950 from CA he cannot get n950 from QT but can get N9. Both are devices :P |
| 18:45.28 | freemangordon | that is what I said |
| 18:45.54 | chem|st | devels might need both n950 and n9 but that should be managed besides, devel devices... those 100 "prize" devices should get to 100 different people 75 to devs 25 to non-devs |
| 18:46.35 | freemangordon | chem|st, I am not the one to argue with on that matter :) |
| 18:46.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | teotwaki: I gonna top that, just for the shits'n'giggles: "N9!" |
| 18:46.47 | chem|st | if nokia wants development further than that they should lend out more |
| 18:47.01 | chem|st | freemangordon: I was telling Estel_ |
| 18:47.06 | chem|st | or in general |
| 18:47.16 | chem|st | you ust replied in between ;) |
| 18:47.24 | freemangordon | chem|st, ok :) |
| 18:47.54 | jpinx | is it possible to install vbox on maemo on the n900 ? |
| 18:48.10 | freemangordon | chem|st, BTW I don't see the point devels to have N950 |
| 18:48.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | *burrp* |
| 18:48.18 | chem|st | and from what I see we have <15 people elegible for commmunity devices... |
| 18:48.24 | chem|st | from my opinion |
| 18:48.43 | freemangordon | if the point is future development on Qt |
| 18:49.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | LOL |
| 18:49.24 | chem|st | freemangordon: well it includes updates from nokia! |
| 18:49.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | even more of a reason to echo N9! | mail communityæmaemo.org -s "CA" |
| 18:49.57 | chem|st | if the n950 is outdated like google just updated their dev-device to 4.x in april... it's never gonna work out |
| 18:50.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm for sure no developer ;-P |
| 18:50.29 | vi__ | No one wants an N950 for the long term nokia support... |
| 18:50.35 | freemangordon | chem|st, so what? is is not on the field, the FW is different from N9, etc |
| 18:50.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | indeede |
| 18:50.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | -e |
| 18:50.53 | freemangordon | not that I care much, just a note |
| 18:50.54 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: you think if, you should prefer n9s over n950s? |
| 18:51.32 | freemangordon | the point was that if you want to develop for Harmattan you should do it on N9, not N950 |
| 18:51.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | I think you won't get any update for N950 in ... well scratch that |
| 18:51.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | you won't get any updates for *any* HARM in 12 months |
| 18:52.04 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: 1.3 is on its way I thought |
| 18:52.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, and quite probably for both devices |
| 18:52.33 | chem|st | for both? |
| 18:52.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | and that's end of the road then |
| 18:52.53 | chem|st | now you guys are confusing... |
| 18:53.16 | HRH_H_Crab | i thought the n950s were long gone? |
| 18:53.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | no way |
| 18:53.31 | chem|st | what is the diff between n950 and n9 FW wise? |
| 18:53.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | they probably got another 25k of them |
| 18:53.50 | HRH_H_Crab | heh |
| 18:53.51 | chem|st | apart of missing hardware in n950 |
| 18:54.03 | HRH_H_Crab | they are prob. holding on to them incase they need some money quickly. |
| 18:54.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: the certs |
| 18:54.06 | freemangordon | chem|st, if you want to make a descent application, you should test it in the device it is meant for, not on a similar device. |
| 18:54.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | ;-P |
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| 18:54.22 | freemangordon | aotherwise you can use the simulator |
| 18:54.33 | freemangordon | it won't make any difference |
| 18:54.34 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: ehrm I thought n9 had the certs problem... |
| 18:54.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | plus a lot of other nice nittygritties |
| 18:54.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | err? |
| 18:55.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | I think both have a cert "problem" |
| 18:55.10 | freemangordon | has to go |
| 18:55.12 | freemangordon | bb |
| 18:55.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | o/ |
| 18:55.56 | freemangordon | yeah, this evening is the last we are allowed to smoke in the bars :( |
| 18:56.06 | freemangordon | and other public places |
| 18:56.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway, there are some essential differences: screen, kbd, probably even core hw components like OMAP and companion chip |
| 18:56.15 | freemangordon | it is forbidden from tomorrow |
| 18:56.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | LOL |
| 18:56.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | next week I guess they will outlaw smoking at home here |
| 18:57.22 | freemangordon | I am glad I am not "here" :) |
| 18:57.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah |
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| 18:57.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | even Frank Zapa was glad not to live 'here' |
| 18:57.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | Zappa* |
| 18:58.01 | vi__ | hah |
| 18:58.11 | vi__ | tobacco WAS his favourite vegitable. |
| 18:58.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-D |
| 18:58.40 | vi__ | The smoking ban in Scotland was the best thing that ever happened to bars here. |
| 18:59.34 | joga | yeah we had that too a few years back, it was overall good imo because I rarely have many sets of clothes and now I can go to bar in weekdays without reeking the next day at work! ;P |
| 18:59.42 | chem|st | vi__: just recognized lately that they started commercials for tobacco warez and alcohol at cinema pre-view |
| 19:00.04 | vi__ | gtg, mrs vi_ needs a lift. |
| 19:00.13 | chem|st | for movies <16 |
| 19:03.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | all hail to tobacco prohibition in bars! In former times the air was smokey and smelled like supposed for a decent bar, and nowadays the bartenders think they don't need such things like opening the windows or switch on exhaust fans, with the amazing result it now *really* stinks in bars |
| 19:04.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | *S*T*I*N*K*S* |
| 19:04.39 | chem|st | lol |
| 19:05.31 | chem|st | I have a cornered-bar near by... every time I want I can have the smoke of 10 cigarettes at once |
| 19:09.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | and when I ever got 20kg too much, and no money to buy any food, and want to stop eating forever, I visit that bar/restaurant nearby and take a nose of that excellent exquisite blend of smell of sweat, farting dogs, 6 or 8 differnet kinds of steaming smelly food, and of course of beer in all imaginable states of "riping" in open bottles and puddles on the floor and on the bar and in the drains |
| 19:10.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | but definitely without smoke since some 2 years now |
| 19:11.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | not to forget the hot steamy note of dish washer machine |
| 19:12.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | and breathtaking clouds of perfume of those 5 ladies that never can put enough of that cheap stinking stuff on them |
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| 19:24.14 | merlin1991 | ragetrip? |
| 19:26.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | nah, what rage? |
| 19:27.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | a simple unbiased analysis of the brilliant results of outlawing smoking in bars |
| 19:31.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | and I not even touched the topic of health care and insurance balance, for the few passive smokers now 'saved' from lung cancer, vs. all the smokers that now will kill themselves with bronchopneumonia by smoking out in cold before the bar's door, at -15°C in winter |
| 19:32.52 | merlin1991 | hm I think having them kill tehmselves is more cost efficient than dealing with the cancer ;) |
| 19:33.04 | MrPingu | What I was about to say |
| 19:33.10 | MrPingu | ^^ |
| 19:33.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | not really. Smokers are cash cows here |
| 19:33.34 | MrPingu | In general they pay more taxes than would get back :P |
| 19:34.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | magnitudes more |
| 19:37.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's the non-smokes that are really expensive when they are 85, 90, 100 years old and more in hospital than at home ;-) |
| 19:38.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | they can do this only because all the smokers are paying for it |
| 19:40.11 | MrPingu | True! |
| 19:40.36 | MrPingu | Still I think smoking stinks and I will never going to smoke. |
| 19:40.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | hehehe |
| 19:41.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm not arguing against that |
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| 19:44.24 | vi__ | There was a study performed by I think a danish university. |
| 19:45.25 | vi__ | They concluded that if ALL smokers where to stop immediatley the national health service would see immediate savings for about 15 years. |
| 19:46.02 | SpeedEvil | Did that also factor in increase in tax reciepts due to working age cancers being eliminated? |
| 19:46.07 | vi__ | Then, as all the old smokers dies off and the population living longer, they would see an increase in the costs of caring for elderly people. |
| 19:47.00 | vi__ | cost of lots caring for lots of old people > cost of caring for smoking related illnesses. |
| 19:47.09 | vi__ | So in conclusion. |
| 19:47.21 | vi__ | Smoke it down smokey mcsmokerson. |
| 19:47.27 | vi__ | Have 2. |
| 19:47.41 | vi__ | Nae, 3 at once. You are doing us all a favor. |
| 19:47.58 | MrPingu | Smoke for my health treatment when I am old :P |
| 19:48.06 | vi__ | Correct. |
| 19:48.31 | vi__ | In fact, smoke, do drugs, ride motorcycles and take up a part time job as an alligator agitator. |
| 19:48.48 | vi__ | It is beneficial for all. |
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| 19:48.52 | vi__ | Especially me. |
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| 19:52.31 | MrPingu | enjoy my submission :P |
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| 19:55.49 | merlin1991 | MrPingu: best submission so far :D |
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| 19:58.47 | MrPingu | :) |
| 19:58.51 | GeneralAntilles | Hey-oh, javispedro. |
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| 19:59.57 | javispedro | howdy GeneralAntilles |
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| 20:02.55 | javispedro | how's the mood as of lately, new council et al? :) |
| 20:03.17 | GeneralAntilles | Active |
| 20:04.28 | javispedro | the community ML activity can attest to that indeed |
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| 20:19.12 | Raimu | How well could a n900 handle Chromium with multiple tabs in any scenario? |
| 20:19.51 | Raimu | I mean, that thing is the biggest memory hog on my desktop PC, hands-down, because it's intended to eat a looooot of memory for smooth running. |
| 20:19.58 | Raimu | checks |
| 20:20.53 | Raimu | Yes, even now ol' Chrome has gulped 2.5 gigabytes on my desktop PC. |
| 20:21.26 | Woody14619 | chem|st, again, I point you to the fact that CA devices will be given out before all the others. So nothing we do will prevent someone from getting an N950 from CA and an N9 from CC. That requires a change in the CC rules, which is all run by Nokia (quim?) |
| 20:24.19 | Woody14619 | chem|st, as for CA rules, we already state that if you won/got/stole/etc a device from a previous event, you don't get one from CA. Others seem to want to limit that to devices "of the same type", but I'm not sure I like that... I think that will depend on who's in the top 25 to 30 in 3 weeks. |
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| 20:35.42 | Estel_ | chem|st, Woody14619, the thing is that rules are set already and we won't change them - they were also accepted by qgil |
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| 20:35.57 | Estel_ | also, as Woody14619 said, we don't have impact opn QT5, nokia Store and CC mrules |
| 20:36.09 | Estel_ | if they wan to ban people that received CA, it's up to them |
| 20:36.22 | Estel_ | if they want to allow someone have N950 from Ca and N950 from CC, it's also up to them |
| 20:37.03 | Estel_ | ouyr rules, as set in annoucement and discussed, are that *no* to giving someone 2nd N950 OR 2nd N9, if the form,er was achieved through other dev program or anything like that |
| 20:37.17 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles: are things really getting active again somehow? |
| 20:37.20 | rm_work | that'd be amazing |
| 20:37.21 | Estel_ | ...but nothing bad in granting someone who *deserve* it N9, if he had N950 from dev program |
| 20:37.34 | GeneralAntilles | Well, noisy at least |
| 20:37.41 | Woody14619 | Estel_, the "rules", as you have noted many times, are to be made by Council. Nothing says we can't change them slightly. We already have at least a few times. |
| 20:37.42 | Estel_ | thanks, GeneralAntilles :/ |
| 20:37.46 | RST38h | rm_work: Nah. ANd hey! |
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| 20:37.52 | rm_work | :P |
| 20:38.02 | GeneralAntilles | Estel_, it's a neutral judgement based on limited information. :) |
| 20:38.03 | Estel_ | Woody14619, that's also true, although I don't like changing game rules in middle of game. that's personal opinion. |
| 20:38.09 | chem|st | Woody14619: +1 |
| 20:38.21 | Woody14619 | But overall, yes... at a minimum we're preventing past winners from getting another device of the same type. |
| 20:38.30 | rm_work | waves at RST38h |
| 20:38.31 | rm_work | RST38h / GeneralAntilles: yeah, i am actually *here* every day if anyone pings me... just normally not super active on these channels, just idling in the background. |
| 20:38.32 | Estel_ | nods |
| 20:38.46 | Estel_ | of cours,e if majority of councilors would like to change rules, i'm not entitled to oppose that |
| 20:38.57 | chem|st | Estel_: lol |
| 20:39.12 | Woody14619 | My votes will likely reflect my belief that previous winners of any device should not get a second... |
| 20:39.15 | Estel_ | but, my personal view on this is that rules are set, and the pieces are moving :P |
| 20:39.46 | Estel_ | Woody14619, somehow, I sympatize, but, OTOH, I preffer to give N9 to someone who have N950 if he really deserve Ca recognition... |
| 20:39.58 | Estel_ | than to give it to someone less deserving, just because he wasn't deserving N950 before |
| 20:40.29 | Estel_ | BTw, IMO, it's perfectly possible (yet, probably, unlikely to happen) that NOT all 25 devices will be granted |
| 20:40.32 | chem|st | Woody14619: if you keep in mind that non-devs should get served first please |
| 20:40.40 | Estel_ | if, for example, Council will find only 20 deserving submissions... |
| 20:40.48 | Estel_ | I see no reason to make a "lottery" fo remaining 5 |
| 20:40.54 | Woody14619 | I would very much like to see the CC, QT5, etc update their rules to include clauses about exempting CA winners. But I susspect there's already verbage in there, probably in the form of "no prior winners to other Nokia competions in the past X months", where CA will be covered. |
| 20:41.02 | Estel_ | chem|st, as for Ca awards, we don't care if someone is dev or not |
| 20:41.07 | rm_work | what does CA / CC stand for? |
| 20:41.16 | Estel_ | Ca - community Awards |
| 20:41.20 | Estel_ | CC = Coding Competition |
| 20:41.47 | Estel_ | chem|st, the main principe about Ca is that we don't serve dev first or last, being dev is just part of community contribution |
| 20:41.55 | Estel_ | not better, not worse (for CA) |
| 20:41.58 | rm_work | thx |
| 20:42.06 | Woody14619 | chem|st, with one cavet: I think non-APP-devs should be served first. Most of the other awards are for APP devs. Folks working on CSSU and/or non-APP things that are important to the community should still be in the list. |
| 20:42.09 | chem|st | being dev is not community contribution |
| 20:42.32 | chem|st | Woody14619: +1 |
| 20:43.10 | Woody14619 | Estel_, I think we're close to agreement on your concept, but the bar would have to be pretty high to merit a "second" device. |
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| 20:43.36 | chem|st | stellarium for example is a wonderfull app but n900 was just the base to get the mobile version polished out, was closed and uploaded to itunes... |
| 20:45.08 | chem|st | just for the records: I never had a discussion with councelors on IRC yet afair |
| 20:45.45 | chem|st | you two seem to be less elitary |
| 20:46.01 | chem|st | what is with the others? |
| 20:47.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | err WUT? |
| 20:47.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | <Estel_> [22:39:56] than to give it to someone less deserving, just because he wasn't deserving N950 before |
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| 20:48.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | I preffer to give N9 to someone who have N950 |
| 20:49.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | You're aware there are ZERO n950 owned by those who may have received them? |
| 20:51.11 | fastlane` | wants an n950 BAD! |
| 20:51.14 | fastlane` | -__- |
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| 20:57.04 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, i don';t get Your last message |
| 20:57.07 | Estel_ | could You elaborate more? |
| 20:57.24 | Estel_ | chem|st, ivgalvez is trying to be here too, but he is currently very busy with submissions |
| 20:57.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | *all* N950 that are _anywhere_ now, are loaners |
| 20:57.38 | Estel_ | Niel also appear here from time to time |
| 20:57.44 | Estel_ | SD69 is rather non-IRC type |
| 20:57.55 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, doesn't matter |
| 20:58.09 | Estel_ | first and most important thing - load/have is of no interest to us |
| 20:58.15 | Estel_ | s/load/loan/ |
| 20:58.34 | Estel_ | seond, i'm perfectly sure, that all loaners will transform to "owners" soon, but it's just my personal opinion. |
| 20:58.34 | chem|st | Estel_: which submissions? |
| 20:58.40 | Estel_ | chem|st, CA obviously |
| 20:58.57 | chem|st | Estel_: I am reading the mailinglist so which submissions? |
| 20:58.59 | Estel_ | they're not putting themselve son wiki on their own :P with linsk to garage accounts, TMO accounts, and submission itself on mailing lsit archive |
| 20:59.07 | Estel_ | You would not imagine how lotta hell of work is that |
| 20:59.29 | chem|st | no I don't |
| 20:59.31 | Estel_ | well, maybe he have just too much time to waste on IRC ;) |
| 20:59.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: I bet a 6pack best russian vodka that none of the loaners _ever_ will change status to "property of the one posessing it" |
| 20:59.56 | chem|st | I jsut know that it is no excuse, if he doesn't want to be here ok but don't make something up |
| 21:00.01 | Estel_ | ok, challenge accepted. Time for processing this, 5 years?;) |
| 21:00.28 | chem|st | Estel_: end of ralley |
| 21:00.31 | Estel_ | chem|st, in fact he wan't be here, but You know, he is not payed 8 hours worker. Lately, alst few days, he was using 100% free time to process submissions |
| 21:00.50 | SpeedEvil | Estel_: clearly when nokia files chapter 11. |
| 21:00.57 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, BTw, if Nokia go bankrupt and no one wil;l ever care about fate of loaned N950, can we consider it's owned too? ;) |
| 21:01.08 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, we're thinking about same things |
| 21:01.10 | SpeedEvil | more seriously - has any of the n900s - which must be closing on 3 years - been 'given' |
| 21:01.28 | SpeedEvil | Estel_: If they go bankrupt - they are the assets of the reciever |
| 21:01.40 | Estel_ | + has any of "loaned" N900 were requested back, or someone selling them on Ebay bashed? |
| 21:02.00 | Estel_ | sure, as long as all owners, erm, loaners, won't say that they got destroyed in an accident |
| 21:02.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: none |
| 21:02.08 | RST38h | passed his loaned N900 to the next developer,who squandered it |
| 21:02.21 | Estel_ | +, after 50 years, N950's, which were only ~400 made, by legendary, soon deceased company Nokia... |
| 21:02.28 | Estel_ | would be sold on auction for $$$$$ |
| 21:02.41 | Estel_ | RST38h, but You passed it because You wanted it, or Nokia demanded it? |
| 21:03.30 | chem|st | EOL Estel_ |
| 21:03.35 | RST38h | I passed it because I promised to return it to Nokia |
| 21:03.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: because nobody ever asked that question |
| 21:04.21 | Estel_ | RST38h, which means You passed it because You wanted to. |
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| 21:04.41 | RST38h | No |
| 21:04.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | no, because he's not an asshat |
| 21:04.52 | chem|st | all devices were ordered back afair, quim then said that coders may request an extend and he will make it happen |
| 21:04.59 | RST38h | I signed a paper saying I will pass it. So, I did what I promised in that paper |
| 21:05.00 | Estel_ | BTW, devices for current activities were promsied to be "owned", until someone started to talk on TMO how much exzpensively they can be sold... |
| 21:05.25 | RST38h | what is this estel guy's point, anyway? |
| 21:05.28 | Estel_ | and changed to "i don't know yet" |
| 21:05.37 | Estel_ | I'm sure, aftert end of activitie,s it will be stated that they're "owned" again |
| 21:05.41 | chem|st | Estel_: ehrm disclosure says if lost you pay it! |
| 21:05.52 | Estel_ | RST38h, honestly, you could change Your trolling attitude |
| 21:05.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | (pre-)summit loaners were even different to later DDP |
| 21:06.07 | Estel_ | You're jumping in middle of discussion, without even reading backlog for sanity sake... |
| 21:06.14 | Estel_ | and You have long history of doing so ;) |
| 21:06.21 | Estel_ | do you even know what we're discussing about, in wider context? |
| 21:06.27 | Estel_ | if no, happy trolling, but not with me ;) |
| 21:06.58 | Estel_ | chem|st, Hm, sounds strange |
| 21:07.02 | chem|st | Estel_: don't pretend to be an IRCelder... |
| 21:07.03 | Estel_ | MAG's device got damaged |
| 21:07.06 | Estel_ | and nokia replaced it fo free |
| 21:07.10 | Estel_ | even 2 times |
| 21:07.18 | chem|st | damaged is not lost... |
| 21:07.35 | Estel_ | yea, when truck pass on it |
| 21:07.51 | chem|st | just by reading your own senteces you could answere your own questions... RST38h +1 |
| 21:07.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | watches Estel_ rowing hybris |
| 21:07.54 | Estel_ | it will be also "damaged" ;) |
| 21:07.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | growing* |
| 21:08.04 | Estel_ | hybr what?;) |
| 21:09.30 | chem|st | pops a fresh beer and grabs some of ChanServ's popcorn |
| 21:09.47 | chem|st | ~popcorn |
| 21:09.47 | infobot | it has been said that popcorn is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0f2YL_MThI, which is epic. |
| 21:09.54 | chem|st | ^^ |
| 21:10.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | remarks that Estel_ is triggering troll alarm 4 times a day at average, while RST38h usually doesn't, at all |
| 21:10.31 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, honestly, i've been reading RST38h "participations" during last few months... |
| 21:10.42 | Estel_ | and IMO, he seems to appear here ONLY when ther eis a chance to troll a little |
| 21:10.46 | Estel_ | if You enjoy it, take Your time |
| 21:10.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh, I hope you used the opportunity to read your won as well ;-P |
| 21:11.00 | Estel_ | I've said what I had to said about it, and don't see any sense in continuation. |
| 21:11.23 | Estel_ | well, after all, same can be told about Your "you won't hijack CSSU" and similar ;) |
| 21:11.35 | Estel_ | ...so don't worry, rpobably evereyone have little trollish part inside. |
| 21:11.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | see, exactly meeting definition of trolling |
| 21:11.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | YOU, not me |
| 21:11.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | with your very last post |
| 21:12.38 | Estel_ | yea, because You're not doing it too, religiously ;) |
| 21:12.47 | Estel_ | Really, is it good reason to start useless argue? |
| 21:12.55 | Estel_ | everyone is prone to use sophism from time to time. |
| 21:13.07 | Estel_ | someone tleling he is *never* sophism'ish, is like someone who say "I never lie" |
| 21:13.15 | Estel_ | either damn demagogish, or liar ;) |
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| 21:13.46 | Estel_ | so, i'll conclude it with religious "Who is not guilty, shall throw popcorn first" |
| 21:14.06 | chem|st | thows popcorn at Estel_ |
| 21:14.13 | Estel_ | ouh! |
| 21:14.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | one thing's for sure: you love to see hear your own talking / read own writing. And you love to have last 20 posts on any topic, arguing why nobody should do a single post about it |
| 21:14.42 | Estel_ | chem|st, living saints doesn't count :p |
| 21:14.51 | Estel_ | chillout, Doc. |
| 21:15.01 | Estel_ | you're not pulling me into another argue with You ;) |
| 21:15.05 | Estel_ | reeeesssist... |
| 21:15.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | see, you're doing it again |
| 21:15.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | exact definition of trolling, sorry |
| 21:15.40 | Estel_ | LOL as quietly as possible, to not wake up son, and head to read 15 new mails on council's account |
| 21:15.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | and /me away now, for good |
| 21:16.07 | chem|st | puts his halo back to his ornamentic shrine |
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| 21:30.12 | Estel_ | LOLOLOL |
| 21:30.14 | Estel_ | I know I'm late |
| 21:30.26 | Estel_ | but sifo's submission, being - whole quotation: |
| 21:30.28 | Estel_ | "any device" |
| 21:30.32 | Estel_ | really owns |
| 21:30.51 | Estel_ | just yesterday, he tried to "submit" to mailing list, by spamming mails to list, containing only his email address... |
| 21:30.53 | Estel_ | now that. |
| 21:31.04 | Estel_ | well, if it's "any device", maybe we should grant him Nokia 1100 |
| 21:31.26 | Estel_ | http://i.wp.pl/a/f/jpeg/19337/nokia-1100-300.jpeg |
| 21:31.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | wait for mine: "N9" |
| 21:31.56 | MrPingu | Give him atleast the old trusty 3310 then :P |
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| 21:32.23 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, the differenc eis that - if You include also your TMO link and word "submissions" - you may actually receive it ;P |
| 21:32.35 | Estel_ | s/submissions/submission/ |
| 21:33.06 | vi__ | Don't be so cruel. There will be a lot of disappointed people after this competition is finished. |
| 21:33.23 | Estel_ | yea, a LOTTA hell of them |
| 21:33.46 | Estel_ | I just hope that making real contributors happy will be at least as much fun as dissapointing the rest |
| 21:33.48 | Estel_ | (joke) |
| 21:34.33 | MrPingu | That Sifo guy really seemed nice :P |
| 21:34.41 | Estel_ | vi___, after all, you can submit to, and in case of win, actually, sell whatever prize, then use money to donate all Maemo projects You love - at the same time, writing open letter about how You hate Nokia :P |
| 21:34.45 | Estel_ | not that i'm teasing to do so. |
| 21:34.56 | Estel_ | "Any device. Now. sifo" |
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| 21:35.22 | MrPingu | He contacted me on PM @TMO, said sorry after I corrected him somewhere |
| 21:35.34 | MrPingu | Was afraid to spam the thread |
| 21:35.39 | Estel_ | well, yesterday, I explained to him - via PM - that of cours ehe can submit... |
| 21:35.50 | Estel_ | (he asked me about how to - ye3a, he failed to do so even after being given correct steps) |
| 21:35.51 | Estel_ | but |
| 21:36.06 | Estel_ | I asked him if he doesn't think, that it's little embarassing to submit, considering his short contributing history |
| 21:36.16 | Estel_ | well, he didn't answered, but it seems that it isn't any problem for him ;) |
| 21:36.20 | MrPingu | He has good intentions, but he just fails a bit |
| 21:36.27 | vi__ | Estel_: he is probably just a kid. |
| 21:36.39 | MrPingu | He is :P |
| 21:36.58 | Estel_ | vi, i expected more comment on my idea of what You would do with prize, hah |
| 21:36.59 | MrPingu | 1 year younger than I am |
| 21:37.25 | vi__ | hah. IF i won the prize I desire... |
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| 21:37.49 | vi__ | I would do this: |
| 21:38.26 | Estel_ | warning, porn incoming :P |
| 21:38.32 | vi__ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJBKyTfCjCc |
| 21:38.55 | Estel_ | hey, vi, You nominated Yourself |
| 21:39.00 | Estel_ | I started top read it now |
| 21:39.11 | Estel_ | but it's interesting, to sya at least, from the very beginning |
| 21:39.33 | vi__ | it was supposed to be tongue in cheek. |
| 21:40.40 | chem|st | Estel_: thought you went reading council mails... |
| 21:40.52 | vi__ | the polar opposite of all the 'There are loads of people more deserving that me, but maybe you will choose me anyway' apologetic type entries. |
| 21:41.11 | Estel_ | chem|st, done with that already, next step[ is community list |
| 21:41.42 | Estel_ | vi_, I see. Well, at least this one is interesting to read (like Pali's one, for example) |
| 21:41.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | fsckng ZNC kills my battery in 8h, for good, since I connected a second (Konversation) client |
| 21:41.50 | Estel_ | (i mean Pali's one was interesting also) |
| 21:42.03 | Estel_ | ~ZNC |
| 21:42.11 | Estel_ | although for other reasons |
| 21:42.16 | vi__ | It is like the crayon pretend hand written credits for that movie juno. |
| 21:42.28 | Atarii | is "Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z" the correct VM to download for Maemo 5 developing? |
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| 21:44.01 | Estel_ | vi_, but You also did a suicude shot by accepting *only* n950, not only setting is as preffered one? |
| 21:44.27 | Estel_ | sounds like tactical errror, doesn't seem in line with content of that submission :P |
| 21:44.38 | vi__ | nope |
| 21:44.51 | Estel_ | hah, but reply to your email is great |
| 21:44.55 | vi__ | if I wanted an n9 I would have bought one by now. |
| 21:44.57 | Estel_ | "and your maemo username is?" |
| 21:45.10 | vi__ | ! |
| 21:45.16 | Estel_ | not to mention that it's in title |
| 21:45.26 | Estel_ | well, someone probably took it as vi as vi in /usr/bin |
| 21:46.21 | Estel_ | I'm sure your nomination will make some interesting talks during deciding ;) |
| 21:46.23 | MrPingu | Atarii, yes it is. Atleast I use it... |
| 21:46.35 | Atarii | thanks MrPingu :) |
| 21:47.33 | Estel_ | MrPingu, while i appreciate Your nomination, I haven't though you will do it really this way |
| 21:47.48 | Estel_ | personally, i like it, but i'm also afraid it's going to bring another legion of negatrons to Ca project |
| 21:47.51 | Estel_ | like all those |
| 21:47.57 | Estel_ | "this project is grotesque" etc |
| 21:47.59 | Estel_ | well |
| 21:48.06 | Estel_ | after all, i couldn't care less, so... :P |
| 21:48.27 | Estel_ | ah, sorry, haven't noticed 2nd part |
| 21:48.37 | Estel_ | it's a little... erm, overpowered by first one ;) |
| 21:49.09 | Estel_ | so everything is ok ;) |
| 21:49.21 | MrPingu | Estel_, told ya about the dragon :P |
| 21:49.42 | Estel_ | well, I would be a little embarasse dif you would end mail after first part |
| 21:49.51 | Estel_ | but as a whole it's nice :) |
| 21:50.17 | Estel_ | next year we must think about something for, erm, creativity |
| 21:50.36 | chem|st | so count is 18 with even pingu as newcomer.. |
| 21:50.46 | chem|st | if I remember right |
| 21:51.13 | Estel_ | personal opinion, not related to being councilor - IMO pingu have nice chances, currently |
| 21:51.34 | Estel_ | You may be not aware, but he is very, very contributing @ tmo |
| 21:51.38 | MrPingu | Estel_ I made sure everything you needed was written down first |
| 21:51.40 | Estel_ | and I mean this proper mean of "contributing" |
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| 21:52.39 | MrPingu | It's only in the small things though. |
| 21:54.04 | MrPingu | chem|sist, only 18 submissions? |
| 21:56.07 | Estel_ | no, he mean people that he think deserve prize |
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| 21:58.38 | MrPingu | Estel_ , you said widelands was working for you @TMO |
| 21:58.44 | Estel_ | yea |
| 22:00.51 | MrPingu | I am missing LibGLU.so.1 any chance you could find out which package contains that fiel? |
| 22:00.51 | MrPingu | *file |
| 22:03.21 | MrPingu | Can you check if you have these packages installed: freeglut3 or libglu1-mesa |
| 22:03.36 | MrPingu | while I typed that, I thought, I need the latter :P |
| 22:05.11 | Estel_ | no problem, wait a sec |
| 22:05.14 | Estel_ | I remember this error |
| 22:05.43 | MrPingu | Yeah, I fixed it by installing libglu1-mesa |
| 22:06.20 | Estel_ | so, there is no problem now? |
| 22:06.25 | MrPingu | nope :) |
| 22:06.28 | Estel_ | (other than dependency problem with widelands) |
| 22:06.34 | Estel_ | OK :) |
| 22:07.08 | MrPingu | Atleast, not that I am aware of |
| 22:08.38 | chem|st | Estel_: sure... but recently started is not like contributing for years is it? nvm currently anyone who did anything good to the community may still get a device... |
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| 22:10.18 | chem|st | MrPingu: in my opinion non-coders first, community-coders second and $coder last |
| 22:10.48 | chem|st | the count of '18' is without $coder |
| 22:11.40 | MrPingu | Actually I fully agree, this program was meant for community deeds other than coding |
| 22:12.10 | chem|st | it was... but somehow isn't anymore |
| 22:12.37 | MrPingu | Sure, community-coders can't submit their "app" so I guess they can join this programm |
| 22:12.43 | chem|st | yes |
| 22:14.24 | vi__ | what was the last build of fennec for the n900? |
| 22:17.07 | Estel_ | chem|st, would agree, but a) rules stated "contributed for past months/years" and b) we're going to consider ammount of contribution, not necessary timeline. Sure, contributing @ high ammount for many years is going to be additional bonus... |
| 22:17.30 | Estel_ | ...and, probably, someone registered on 2012 have 0 chances for device - except for exceptional ;) cases, which, currently, i'm not aware of... |
| 22:17.38 | Estel_ | but, it's not required to be "old timer" to win |
| 22:18.00 | Estel_ | even good ammoutn of contribution during past year can be enough. Of cours eit depends on other submission's quality |
| 22:18.34 | beford | hopefully davidp applies for something, would be nice to have a J2ME vm on harmattan |
| 22:18.47 | Estel_ | beford, CA program isn't mean to boost harma |
| 22:18.54 | Estel_ | BTW, j2me on harm is available for ages |
| 22:18.55 | chem|st | vi__: 7.0.1-2 |
| 22:18.58 | Estel_ | via Davy's package |
| 22:19.50 | MrPingu | chem|st that's not the last, I have seen fennec 12 for N900 |
| 22:19.55 | Estel_ | 3rd, if You wan't him to submit, jsut talk with him |
| 22:20.01 | Estel_ | inform him about program (he may not be aware of) |
| 22:20.06 | Estel_ | and write him why You think he should submit |
| 22:20.17 | Estel_ | after all, faciliating communication is one of "hidden goals" of this program |
| 22:20.18 | chem|st | MrPingu: that is the one from devel |
| 22:20.27 | beford | i said something |
| 22:20.28 | beford | not CA |
| 22:20.34 | Estel_ | due to self-submissions, people need to TALK with own "idols", not only thjrow names in hat |
| 22:20.34 | chem|st | at least I upgraded yesterday |
| 22:20.49 | Estel_ | chem|st, veriso in devel is outdated |
| 22:20.57 | Estel_ | vi_, you will be dissapointed, fennec on Maemo suxx balld |
| 22:21.13 | MrPingu | +1: used once and never again |
| 22:21.36 | chem|st | Estel_: the version on ovi is even older... |
| 22:21.41 | Estel_ | even marking text for copying/paste isn't officvially implemented, lol |
| 22:21.50 | chem|st | I use it for syncing |
| 22:21.54 | Estel_ | chem|st, I'msurprised that anyone ever care for Ovi, i.e. submit anything there |
| 22:21.59 | Estel_ | I see. |
| 22:22.16 | Estel_ | yea, syncing can be a pros. Personally, I use other services to achieve that |
| 22:22.17 | nox- | as someone here once said, fennec eats ram like candy |
| 22:22.34 | chem|st | copy urls from it my desktop saves to sync folder... only |
| 22:22.40 | Estel_ | fennec doesn't offer full browser features - like chromium or iceweasel via ED - yet, it's much slower than microB |
| 22:22.54 | Estel_ | microB owns it and do circle arround fennec |
| 22:22.54 | Estel_ | circles* |
| 22:22.59 | MrPingu | I only go to for airport and connect4, 2 good really nice games IMO |
| 22:23.11 | Estel_ | considering engine behind microB and it's legacy, it's a big LOL |
| 22:23.32 | nox- | Estel_, if n900 had 1G RAM fennec probably would be pretty usable... |
| 22:23.41 | MrPingu | if... |
| 22:23.45 | Estel_ | ...but still lacking features |
| 22:23.46 | nox- | yeah |
| 22:24.02 | Estel_ | ....to justify being so much resource hungry |
| 22:24.10 | nox- | yeah |
| 22:24.38 | Estel_ | with 1Gb of ram I would be using chromium via Ed without any slowdowns, and either way wouldn't care about fennced :) BTw, i'm using chromium even with our 256 MB of RAM... |
| 22:24.45 | Estel_ | many times, with 20+ TMO tabs opened |
| 22:25.01 | Estel_ | I got a habit of enabling everything from TMO control panel first, then, rerad and eventually reply and close one by one |
| 22:25.09 | Estel_ | works exceptionally well, even considering swapping |
| 22:25.14 | nox- | heh i hadn't even noticed n900 has chromium... |
| 22:25.23 | Estel_ | you won't find it in repos |
| 22:25.28 | nox- | oh |
| 22:25.28 | Estel_ | I use iot via Easy Debian |
| 22:25.31 | MrPingu | I don't get it, never got it as smooth as you saying |
| 22:25.37 | vi__ | I think I am managing to make 64MB ramz stable. |
| 22:25.47 | Estel_ | MrPingu, maybe i'm just more proof for getting irritated by slowdowns?:P |
| 22:25.49 | vi__ | so was wandering about fennec. |
| 22:25.55 | Estel_ | MrPingu, tried swap-related settings as per Ed threaD? |
| 22:26.02 | Estel_ | i.e. ones suggested by freemangordon and me? |
| 22:26.11 | vi__ | however if it has no features then...meh |
| 22:26.14 | Estel_ | bundled with swap on microSd and Ed on native partition? |
| 22:26.39 | Estel_ | vi_, fennec is like opera mini, except that it run 10 time slower |
| 22:26.44 | MrPingu | Yes, i even have it saved :P |
| 22:26.55 | Estel_ | MrPingu, hm, hoe your slowdowns look like? |
| 22:27.01 | Estel_ | i.e. how you "perceive" it? |
| 22:27.07 | vi__ | so...quite useless. |
| 22:27.19 | MrPingu | swap on uSD however no partitions? |
| 22:27.35 | Estel_ | Honestly, I wonder what for freemangordon is using Opera mini - I have strong dislike for this browser... Just curiosity |
| 22:27.48 | Estel_ | MrPingu? I don't understand? |
| 22:28.21 | MrPingu | popular sites are quite good optimized for opera mini |
| 22:28.26 | vi__ | estel probably for the server side rendering. |
| 22:28.40 | Estel_ | vi_, it's achievable without opera mini |
| 22:28.45 | MrPingu | Besides opera mini has really good data-compression |
| 22:28.47 | vi__ | and tiny footprint. |
| 22:29.22 | Estel_ | probably You're right. I'm, OTOH, doing everything to *not* allow sites showing me mobile version of pages |
| 22:29.26 | Estel_ | under any circumstances :P |
| 22:29.35 | MrPingu | What don't you understand? |
| 22:29.46 | Estel_ | <MrPingu> swap on uSD however no partitions? |
| 22:29.54 | vi__ | sometimes the mobile site is better. |
| 22:30.06 | vi__ | MrPingu: he means a swap file. |
| 22:30.21 | MrPingu | Hmm I fail at writing :P |
| 22:30.22 | Estel_ | probably right, either I don't even like google mobile view, so about others... |
| 22:30.28 | Estel_ | It jsut seem crippled. |
| 22:30.48 | MrPingu | I meant swap is on uSD but I have no dedicated partition for ED |
| 22:30.48 | Estel_ | MrPingu, theoretically, proper swap file should be ok... |
| 22:30.55 | Estel_ | But I use dedicated partition for it |
| 22:30.59 | Estel_ | ah |
| 22:31.00 | Estel_ | well |
| 22:31.04 | Estel_ | so it *must* be slow |
| 22:31.16 | Estel_ | as loopback file from vfat or whatsnot is much slower than native debian partition |
| 22:31.20 | MrPingu | I have dedicated partition for swap too ;) |
| 22:31.27 | vi__ | what must be slow? |
| 22:31.32 | vi__ | a swap file? |
| 22:31.37 | Estel_ | vi_, Easy Debian via image file instead of dedicated partition |
| 22:31.55 | vi__ | I wanna see some numbers first. |
| 22:32.11 | MrPingu | I see, time to hook my device to pc and use Gparted |
| 22:32.15 | Estel_ | vi__, some posted on Ed thread |
| 22:32.34 | Estel_ | MrPingu, yes, or use gparted from within ED |
| 22:32.49 | Estel_ | if You're not resizing partition, where Ed reside :P |
| 22:32.56 | Estel_ | as it would bring fun results |
| 22:33.52 | Estel_ | BTw, I would *love* some CLI to easy re-partitioning from recovery console |
| 22:34.05 | vi__ | cfdisk |
| 22:34.07 | Estel_ | i.e. writing partitions and their sizes, where CLI handles rest |
| 22:34.13 | Estel_ | hm? |
| 22:34.24 | vi__ | you know cfdisk? |
| 22:34.34 | Estel_ | yea, but it's usable fromk within backupmenu root console? |
| 22:34.39 | Estel_ | or recovery shell root console? |
| 22:34.45 | Estel_ | remember, most things aren't mounted there |
| 22:34.55 | Estel_ | proper CLI for our needs should intelligently mount necessary things |
| 22:34.58 | Estel_ | and cp them to tmp |
| 22:35.03 | vi__ | if it was available on rootfs I do not see why not. |
| 22:35.06 | Estel_ | to have full write access to partitions later |
| 22:35.20 | MrPingu | :p I will just use PC, seems most convenient way to me |
| 22:35.39 | Estel_ | MrPingu, agree, would just love to be totally independent from 2nd machine |
| 22:35.58 | Estel_ | i.e. I'm inside amazon jungle, and feel urge to repartition my N900... |
| 22:35.59 | Estel_ | :P |
| 22:36.07 | vi__ | Estel_: how to check how many MB have been written to swap? |
| 22:36.17 | Estel_ | vi, is You're using busybox power |
| 22:36.29 | vi__ | I have iostat |
| 22:36.52 | Estel_ | well, asked me about it some time ago, i answered You viua PM :P but, it is: |
| 22:37.08 | vi__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.10 | Estel_ | iostat -md mmcblk*p* | grep mmcblk*p* | awk '{print $6)') |
| 22:38.29 | Estel_ | s/$6)/$6}/ |
| 22:38.40 | Estel_ | replace * with Your swap partition |
| 22:38.42 | Estel_ | although |
| 22:38.57 | Estel_ | someone proposed me a better solutions that doesn't involve iostat |
| 22:39.05 | Estel_ | and ones that are able to even count swap files instead of partitions |
| 22:41.44 | Estel_ | merlin1991, ping |
| 22:41.49 | Estel_ | freemangordon, ping |
| 22:43.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | ( <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, the differenc eis that - if You include also your TMO link and word "submissions" - you may actually receive it) WTF TMO link??!! |
| 22:44.02 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, read wiki for CA |
| 22:44.09 | Estel_ | requiments for submission |
| 22:44.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | dafaq |
| 22:44.17 | Estel_ | i'm quoting from head: |
| 22:44.18 | Sc0rpius | heh |
| 22:44.42 | Estel_ | "...and link to TMO account, or - in case of user who doesn't have TMO account - information about it" |
| 22:44.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh great, register with trolls,morons,oxes or you won't stand a chance to receive a free device |
| 22:44.50 | Estel_ | it's written with better grammar on wiki ;) |
| 22:44.59 | Estel_ | erm? |
| 22:45.14 | Estel_ | Doc as ussual :> |
| 22:45.20 | Estel_ | having TMO accounts isn't requiment |
| 22:45.37 | Estel_ | but information about it (not having, or link if have) is required |
| 22:45.47 | Estel_ | also, IIRC You're also registered on TMO |
| 22:45.54 | Estel_ | so you're toll, moron, or oxe? |
| 22:45.59 | Estel_ | s/tool/troll/ |
| 22:46.00 | Sc0rpius | what do I need to do to receieve a free device? |
| 22:46.07 | Sc0rpius | s/receieve/receive |
| 22:46.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | no, I deleted account 2 minutes ago |
| 22:46.14 | Estel_ | Sc0rpius, being dedicated contributor to Maemo Community for past few months/years |
| 22:46.25 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, going psycho?:P |
| 22:46.30 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer51: you lie. |
| 22:46.31 | Sc0rpius | well I've been a contributorç |
| 22:46.33 | Estel_ | ok, so Yuo was troll, moron, or oxe? |
| 22:46.36 | Sc0rpius | not sure if dedicated, we all have jobs |
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| 22:47.01 | Estel_ | Sc0rpius, 2nd link: |
| 22:47.02 | Estel_ | http://maemo.org/news/ |
| 22:47.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | what do you expect? with users like estel in chan, a chanop MUST go psycho, sooner rather than later |
| 22:47.39 | Estel_ | ha! finally, pure truth, without any FUD :P |
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| 22:48.09 | Estel_ | BTw, fun fact - major negatrons for Ca, like DocScrutinizer, teotwaki and so goes on tends to fail @ reading short annoucement for Ca/it's wiki page |
| 22:48.22 | Estel_ | i.e. half of my liens about Ca her eis clearing those fuds, like |
| 22:48.30 | Estel_ | <DocScrutinizer51> ooh great, register with trolls,morons,oxes or you won't stand a chance to receive a free device |
| 22:48.43 | Estel_ | (obviously wrong, as TMO account is not a requiment) |
| 22:49.14 | Estel_ | or some claims from teotwaki, that I don't mention now, as I forget them as soon as replied that it's wrong info. |
| 22:49.40 | RiD | daddy's back |
| 22:49.49 | Estel_ | Bid Daddy? |
| 22:49.52 | Estel_ | like in Bioshock? |
| 22:49.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: one of your usual misconceptions, that come as lies. I'm not failing, I just Can't Be Arsed |
| 22:49.59 | RiD | uh oh. I apologize |
| 22:50.07 | RiD | not intended for this channel lol |
| 22:50.39 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, which don't change fact, that You're making FUD statements about CA all the time, without even reading it's rules, written in less than 1 page |
| 22:50.45 | Estel_ | not tell me that it isn't trolling |
| 22:51.03 | vi__ | RiD: lols, wb uncle badtouch. |
| 22:51.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | no, YOU are making FUD and BS statements |
| 22:51.08 | Estel_ | i *still* belive that it's not on purpose, though. |
| 22:51.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm just commenting |
| 22:51.14 | Estel_ | about CA? ;) |
| 22:51.24 | RiD | vi__ hmm? |
| 22:51.33 | GeneralAntilles | This argument is still going? |
| 22:51.33 | Estel_ | ah, so plain wrong statement about having account on TMO to receive Ca is "just commenting" |
| 22:51.41 | GeneralAntilles | Can't you both move on to something more productive? |
| 22:51.41 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, no |
| 22:51.44 | Estel_ | just started again |
| 22:51.50 | Estel_ | :P |
| 22:51.58 | Estel_ | actually, 15 second before Your arrival |
| 22:52.01 | vi__ | Estel_: I think it was sarcasm. |
| 22:52.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: you're an idiot, or a bad sneacky guy, with all respect |
| 22:52.23 | Estel_ | well. With chanops like DocScrutinizer user must fail to see obvious sarcasm at some point :P |
| 22:52.30 | Estel_ | yea, full respect took. |
| 22:52.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | [01.06.2012 00:43:43] <DocScrutinizer51> ( <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, the differenc eis that - if You include also your TMO link and word "submissions" - you may actually receive it) WTF TMO link??!! |
| 22:53.04 | Estel_ | If I come here and say "HEN is making people's device to fry like bad toaster!11!!1" will it be just comment too? |
| 22:53.18 | Estel_ | <DocScrutinizer51> ooh great, register with trolls,morons,oxes or you won't stand a chance to receive a free device |
| 22:53.41 | Estel_ | no. TMO account is not a requiment. You could know it by actually reading CA announce/rules JUST ONCE. |
| 22:53.45 | Estel_ | EOt for me. |
| 22:53.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | I keep my rating about your mental healt |
| 22:54.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | h |
| 22:54.09 | Estel_ | take your time. |
| 22:54.21 | Estel_ | gl & hf. |
| 22:54.43 | GeneralAntilles | Ok. Enough. |
| 22:55.00 | GeneralAntilles | That's has clearly descended past a reasonable discussion into the realm of personal insults. |
| 22:55.22 | GeneralAntilles | 24 hour moratorium on discussion of the merits of the Community Awards program. |
| 22:55.31 | GeneralAntilles | If you have problems, take it to the mailing lists. |
| 22:56.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | Number one FUD statement: <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, which don't change fact, that You're making FUD statements about CA all the time, without even reading it's rules, written in less than 1 page |
| 22:56.42 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, sounds like screaming into the wild ;) |
| 22:57.44 | merlin1991 | Estel_: pong |
| 22:58.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: could you please +q me and estel for 48h? |
| 22:59.38 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer51, you're both adults. |
| 23:00.05 | GeneralAntilles | There's no need for this little argument to preclude useful discussion. |
| 23:00.13 | RiD | i have no idea what im reading |
| 23:00.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | I have severe doubts about that. For both parties, though for different reasons on each side |
| 23:00.32 | GeneralAntilles | Well, consider this the First Warning. |
| 23:00.52 | GeneralAntilles | You only get one. Further action will be dependent on how this turns out. ;) |
| 23:01.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | oh well, then I take better measures |
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| 23:02.59 | DocScrutinizer | oops, another one |
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| 23:04.28 | Estel_ | Well, honestly, i would be glad if You wouldn't tell in my name about +q - I got some things to attend on IRC too. |
| 23:04.46 | Estel_ | BTw, i'm all for civilised discussion without calling names etc, so no problem for me, i think./ |
| 23:05.01 | Estel_ | After all, there is nowhere a rule that we must agree on every matter :) |
| 23:05.23 | Estel_ | lets proclaim it a "unsolved difference of pov's", and move along. |
| 23:05.26 | RiD | we wouldn't be alive if we did |
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| 23:29.33 | MrPingu | time to sleep for this little guy, cya |
| 23:30.00 | RiD | Penguins |
| 23:30.06 | RiD | sleep with them |
| 23:30.34 | RiD | i'm off too |
| 23:30.49 | MrPingu | actually I do :P |
| 23:31.09 | Estel_ | good night :) |
| 23:31.34 | MrPingu | I have about 9 pluche penguins lying at the end of my bed. I love penguins, hence my name :P |
| 23:31.49 | RiD | dude |
| 23:31.56 | RiD | i think you have a mental problem lol |
| 23:32.00 | MrPingu | Good night |
| 23:32.17 | RiD | why dont you like ponies like everyone else |
| 23:32.37 | MrPingu | Really? Maybe I just need to grow up :P |
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