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| 00:57.32 | robbiethe1st | Look! Nokia N900's spiritual successor: http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/525189507-Aigo-Palmtop-Tablet-PC-MID-P8880E-Upgrade-version-4-8-inches-1-2G-Intel-Atom-Z515-wholesalers.html |
| 01:00.22 | robbiethe1st | ... And a Maemo-rip-off? http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/539472777--EMS-Shipping-Business-tablet-3GNET-MI13-1G-RAM-5-Touchscreen-WiFi-Intel-Z515-1-2GHz-wholesalers.html |
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| 01:26.59 | sethstorm | robbiethe1st: I'd be surprised if it was some sort of maemo/etc. derivative |
| 01:28.24 | Hurrian | it probably isn't running maemo |
| 01:28.32 | sethstorm | MTX? |
| 01:28.34 | Hurrian | maybe some java symbian ripoff |
| 01:29.21 | sethstorm | robbiethe1st: the first one of those is promising, but the battery life would have to be abysmal |
| 01:30.39 | sethstorm | and the cdma radio would be likely to not be usable w/ US providers |
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| 01:34.29 | sethstorm | (as much as plenty of us out there that want options for a CDMA qwerty slider that isn't encumbered) |
| 01:40.14 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, Kathy Smith (revdKathy) also submitten to CA program ;) |
| 01:40.21 | Estel_ | I was shocked to see Her submissions yesterday |
| 01:41.19 | Estel_ | ~seen RevdKathy |
| 01:41.19 | infobot | revdkathy <~androirc@5ace035f.bb.sky.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 257d 7h 47m 23s ago, saying: 'oh silly me, yes. It's apple who lift other people's work and pass it off as their own. '. |
| 01:41.58 | Estel_ | and I freakin' can't belive it's already 3/4 of a year since lcuk departure. |
| 01:43.56 | Estel_ | well, I see it everyday - my Son is already 3 years and 4 months old, and, considering this "growth rate", he will be as old as I'm now quite quickly ;) I'm telling You, something is changing in minds, Earth's spin and orbital movement is perceived *much* faster than 30 years ago almost for everyone |
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| 01:44.33 | Estel_ | freakin' year is passing like a moment |
| 01:45.13 | Estel_ | It may be surprising, what I'm going to say, but I don't think it's necessary bad. It's just... Well, strange a little, and interesting for sure. |
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| 02:29.17 | Estel_ | submissions processed, mails and PM's answered, TMO "checked"... n8, time to get some sleep. Postponing development for tomorrow... |
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| 08:09.46 | vi_ | teotwaki: well dur |
| 08:10.09 | vi_ | FREE FONEZ. JUST SEND EMAILZ. |
| 08:10.16 | teotwaki | good point. |
| 08:12.10 | Jaffa | Estel_: If Twitter's a problem and you'd really like to contribute links, send them via email or we can find some other way. However, Twitter is a low-barrier submission method which makes it convenient for sending links |
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| 08:35.15 | klea | hi... yesterday I asked in here about my wifi reception problems with this used n900 that i recently picked up used (thanx to the ones that helped)... unfortunately i got cut off again but had time to make some more tests... i installed KP50 and bleeding edge wifi drivers but this didn't help a lot. i still think it's a hardware problem... since i have some wifi cards around and a n9 sitting by (not that famous for it's wifi), i'll drop some rece |
| 08:35.32 | klea | 1. integrated wifi in laptop (realtek): . Bit Rate=54 Mb/s Link Quality=64/70 Signal level=-46 dBm |
| 08:35.32 | klea | 2. usb wifi, laptop (atheros): Bit Rate=54 Mb/s Link Quality=59/70 Signal level=-51 dBm |
| 08:35.32 | klea | 3. N9: Bit Rate=54 Mb/s Link Quality=48/70 Signal level=-62 dBm |
| 08:35.32 | klea | 4. N900 (bleeding edge driver 0.2, power management off in settings): Bit Rate=5.5 Mb/s Link Quality=25/70 Signal level=-85 dBm |
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| 08:38.45 | RST38h | klea: The answer is to use manufacturer supplied drivers rather than the "bleeding edge" stuff you have got from god knows where |
| 08:39.12 | klea | ok, but it makes no difference |
| 08:39.23 | klea | i'll post the stock results |
| 08:45.16 | klea | 5. N900 (stock drivers, power management off): Bit Rate=5.5 Mb/s Link Quality=12/100 Signal level=-86 dBm Noise Level =-93dBm |
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| 08:50.37 | klea | i also have to note that the 2 wifi cards detect about 20 wifi networks around, old-trusty E71 finds 16, N9 only 4 of them and N900 only 2 |
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| 09:01.49 | vi_ | klea: it seems pretty clear. Your n900 is fecked |
| 09:02.01 | klea | vi_: :) |
| 09:02.16 | vi_ | klea: take it apart and make sure the wifi aerial is sitting right |
| 09:02.36 | vi_ | it is only 'pressed' together with some springs. |
| 09:02.57 | vi_ | maybe if you bend them out slightly and clean the contacks with a little solvent it might work again. |
| 09:04.02 | klea | vi_: that's what i thought of doing, but wanted to ask for ideas in here before |
| 09:04.44 | klea | vi_: (maybe i could try soldering the usb port as well....) |
| 09:07.01 | klea | vi_: strange though, didn't find anyone with a similar problem, it's a strange case |
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| 09:09.27 | MrPingu | Someone has to be the first... |
| 09:11.19 | Jaffa | Estel_: If you want to write the bot, that'd be fine :-) |
| 09:17.20 | MrPingu | Brb, reboot testing new hildon-desktop |
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| 09:26.02 | chem|st | o/ |
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| 09:33.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi_: how do you expl*in -69dBm by broken antenna, and how's that creating poor signal quality? |
| 09:35.13 | chem|st | MohammadAG: ping |
| 09:35.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | moin chem|st |
| 09:36.00 | chem|st | MohammadAG: sociality shows a conversation missing about one day but showing one entry I do not see on facebook... o.O |
| 09:36.05 | chem|st | moin Doc |
| 09:36.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: could you take over and explain why solvents are generally a poor idea to 'clean' contacts |
| 09:36.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm busy |
| 09:37.51 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: sure |
| 09:39.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | use unvarnished paper to 'brush' contacts clean! |
| 09:40.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | or eraser, in nasty cases |
| 09:41.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi_ is talking klea into nonsensical enterprise |
| 09:41.42 | chem|st | klea: for cleaning you do not want any non-polar liquids as it will destroy other things, as DocScrutinizer51 says, dry cleaning first |
| 09:41.48 | chem|st | but I doubt it is the antenna |
| 09:42.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | me too |
| 09:42.25 | chem|st | sounds more likely to be some other issue, my sister just had a powrmanaement disconnect last night |
| 09:42.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: oxid! non-soluble |
| 09:43.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | but -69dBm is not a defect antr |
| 09:43.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | -r |
| 09:44.50 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer51s is gonna hate. |
| 09:44.58 | chem|st | no the 12% link quality seems odd |
| 09:45.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 09:45.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | doeasn't match -69 and short dist to AP |
| 09:45.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | doesn't suggest ant is problem |
| 09:46.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | I suspect cross intermodulation |
| 09:46.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | aka 'interference' |
| 09:46.46 | chem|st | klea: as people always mess up flashing, and sometimes the hardware firmwares do not get flashed properly (you gonna end up like my sister) |
| 09:46.52 | chem|st | as you speak DocScrutinizer51 |
| 09:47.04 | chem|st | klea: how far are you away from the AP |
| 09:47.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | consider BT coexistence |
| 09:47.51 | klea | chem|st: -69 dBm was yesterdays result, 10cm from the access point (thomson) |
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| 09:48.29 | chem|st | MohammadAG: ok got it, it is dumb, it shows an conversation in overview being sent yesterday night which was actually sent 2years ago the next entry is really sent 3 days ago and so on |
| 09:48.32 | vi_ | ~seen mata |
| 09:48.38 | infobot | mata <~a@c-f685e555.024-50-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 744d 19h 36m 15s ago, saying: 'do we know what console commands there are?'. |
| 09:48.38 | vi_ | ~seen matan |
| 09:48.38 | infobot | matan <530f167a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.15.22.122> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 622d 1h 54m 37s ago, saying: 'morning'. |
| 09:48.39 | chem|st | MohammadAG: some kind of just useless |
| 09:48.56 | klea | chem|st: today i get about -85 dBm at 5-6 meters from the AP |
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| 09:49.24 | klea | and it's a different AP today |
| 09:49.46 | chem|st | klea: 10cm is like worthless, in ranges lower 3m it is know that your link quality may drop |
| 09:49.53 | chem|st | klea: what is the link now? |
| 09:50.11 | vi_ | klea is this for ALL AP in different buildings? |
| 09:50.35 | klea | vi_: yes |
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| 09:51.07 | klea | vi_: i can't even detect networks that even the N9 sees and connects to |
| 09:51.24 | vi_ | mmm, some kind of global interference ay? |
| 09:51.26 | klea | i took it out several times to try public APs |
| 09:51.52 | klea | i'm sure something's wrong with the n900 itself |
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| 09:52.02 | vi_ | klea: clearly |
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| 09:53.09 | klea | of course i'm open to suggestions/ideas, it's my first n900 and don't have experience |
| 09:53.17 | vi_ | Then WTF is this ultrasolve PCB cleaning solvent for? |
| 09:53.30 | vi_ | Klea your N900 broken. |
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| 09:54.19 | vi_ | If it was mine I would open it, clean contacts and inspect etc. |
| 09:54.33 | klea | vi_: it can only be used reliably when at the same room as the AP |
| 09:54.47 | chem|st | vi_: link? |
| 09:54.53 | vi_ | Despite what Doc 'I know everything!!q!' Scrutinizer51 says. |
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| 09:54.56 | vi_ | link? |
| 09:55.01 | vi_ | It is sitting on my desk |
| 09:55.14 | chem|st | klea: another try with another approach if you don't mind |
| 09:55.27 | chem|st | vi_: picture (ingridients) |
| 09:55.59 | vi_ | http://www.electrolube.com/064/docs/cleaningmain.asp?id=22 |
| 09:56.11 | vi_ | Shuv that in your truth pipe and smoke it. |
| 09:56.23 | vi_ | (actually doin't it is probably wuite harmful to inhale) |
| 09:56.34 | vi_ | ^dont ^quite |
| 09:57.38 | chem|st | klea: flash it clean, really clean, speaking of "flash rootfs>disconnect&remove battery>flash emmc>disconnect&remove battery>flash rootfs>disconnect&remove battery>boot>try again" just to make sure everything is fine from the software side |
| 09:59.04 | chem|st | vi_: "Compatible with most plastics"... |
| 09:59.40 | klea | chem|st: ok, I'll do it. actually i should have done it when i got it since i've no idea what the previous owner did to it, but everything was quite default, they didn't seem to play a lot with it |
| 09:59.43 | chem|st | I would use it on PCBs from 90's backwards... |
| 10:00.43 | chem|st | klea: my sister had a borked rootfs, flashing emmc>rootfs did not work in the first place, osso-notes crashed instantaneous and so on |
| 10:01.22 | chem|st | klea: getting a used device means flashing after posting every details (the owner left) on facebook |
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| 10:02.02 | chem|st | a clean rootfs>emmc>rootfs flash did the job |
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| 10:02.40 | chem|st | and pls do not ask what it does while booting, it is some populating stuff and voodoo |
| 10:03.01 | chem|st | as it does populate home and stuff AFTER language/date setup |
| 10:05.13 | chem|st | vi_: for your solvent... solving oil and grease off a pcb means all parts on the PCB need to be resistant, try that on your PC's mainboard and I bet you will have funny effects after a while |
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| 10:06.31 | chem|st | that is why you need to be carefull if immersing your pc in cooling liquids... they have to be polar acid-free silicon-free |
| 10:06.35 | vi_ | I will be sure to tell the boys in production to stop using it on aour PCBs then. |
| 10:07.05 | chem|st | vi_: you are an idiot! |
| 10:07.13 | chem|st | sry cannot help it! |
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| 10:08.13 | chem|st | I work in a surface and thin-film lab and have exactly that kind of "in-process-failures" to search for |
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| 10:09.11 | vi_ | chem|st: cheers mate. |
| 10:09.43 | chem|st | believe it or not, sometimes a replaced wheel in a production lane causes trouble as it is gassing some "solvent" |
| 10:10.45 | chem|st | if the "ultrasolver" works for your production fine, but your production is not "all" production |
| 10:10.48 | vi_ | chem|st: also I was not advocating he bathes his n900 in a solvent. The implication was 'put a little on a cotton bud and clean the contacts'. |
| 10:11.06 | chem|st | our et engineer ruined a sample with such a "solvent" |
| 10:11.30 | chem|st | vi_: yeah and maybe the contact will come off afterwards |
| 10:11.43 | chem|st | metal does not need a solvent for cleaning |
| 10:12.19 | dafox | Hi all. Does anyone if there (currently) exists a (global) audio-equalizer for the n900? I searched and all I could come up with was a seemingly outdated gst renderer plugin. I would like something which can adjust the global volume so that it works for applications other than my mediaplayer too (e.g. phone, games, etc). |
| 10:13.07 | chem|st | dafox: afair there is only a mediaplayer with equelizer |
| 10:14.05 | dafox | yes, I read about that one, the problem is that this will only work for playing music then, whereas ideally all sounds should be passed through the equalizer |
| 10:15.08 | chem|st | so iirc the answere is "no" |
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| 10:16.56 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: this solvent conversation is "history repeating" dejavu whatever, seems to be about once a year |
| 10:17.08 | chem|st | good morning freemangordon |
| 10:17.38 | freemangordon_ | morning? |
| 10:18.08 | freemangordon_ | let it be morning :-) |
| 10:19.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ugt |
| 10:19.36 | infobot | i heard ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 10:20.14 | freemangordon_ | :-) |
| 10:21.03 | chem|st | ^^ |
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| 10:21.44 | chem|st | ~imk |
| 10:21.53 | chem|st | ~wtf imk |
| 10:22.01 | chem|st | me neither |
| 10:22.26 | chem|st | is it "in my knowledge"? sounds wrong to me |
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| 10:27.58 | chem|st | lols on application emails |
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| 10:29.07 | chem|st | "We´ve created a really cool German Community around the maemo |
| 10:29.09 | chem|st | (N900),MeeGo(N9/50;Ivi,Netbooks,Tablets),Mer,Nemo,Tizen Stuff." |
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| 10:37.07 | shanttu | Is there any way to update time and date automatically (using 'internet-time' or something) when SIM-card is not used? Now I have to set them manually after every boot |
| 10:38.44 | petteri | probably with ntp, but I haven't tried |
| 10:38.49 | dafox | chem|st: ok, that's unfortunate :( Thank you for the answer :) |
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| 10:41.25 | shanttu | petteri, thanks. ntp it is http://wiki.maemo.org/NTP |
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| 10:45.46 | chem|st | shanttu: openntpd or use gps |
| 10:47.20 | chem|st | dafox: was looking in several PA possibilities but I did not manage to get anything working properly as I broke the "normal" PA setup always |
| 10:47.39 | dafox | PA = portaudio? |
| 10:47.46 | chem|st | pulseaudio |
| 10:48.32 | chem|st | I never got the streams right and after several days wasting evenings I gave up |
| 10:48.41 | dafox | ok. I guess I'll have to live with it then :(. Did you do that gst render plugin then? |
| 10:48.48 | chem|st | no |
| 10:48.58 | dafox | what did you try to do then? |
| 10:49.55 | vi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.03 | vi_ | the patch was not his. |
| 10:50.53 | dafox | that actually sound really useful. I'm sorry but I have afk for a little while, is it ok to talk about this a bit more later? |
| 10:51.40 | chem|st | I tried to apply http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/system-wide-pulseaudio-equalizer.html |
| 10:52.52 | chem|st | dafox: sure, don't know about my evening yet but others might have useful info for you too |
| 10:56.38 | shanttu | chem|st, how to use gps to set time? |
| 10:56.50 | shanttu | just enabling in and wait? |
| 10:58.16 | chem|st | shanttu: the program needs to apply $date |
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| 10:58.44 | chem|st | iirc columbus did that, look in its source |
| 10:58.53 | [DarkGUNMAN] | afternoon |
| 10:59.06 | chem|st | good morning [DarkGUNMAN] |
| 10:59.30 | chem|st | shanttu: I do not know why the gpsstack doesn't do that automatically |
| 10:59.49 | chem|st | shanttu: but ntpd should do... |
| 11:00.07 | [DarkGUNMAN] | I've got a good puzzle for someone.. how do you find which process is trying to open an internet connection? |
| 11:00.16 | shanttu | chem|st, thanks. got updated using gps, just took a while |
| 11:00.25 | chem|st | [DarkGUNMAN]: lsiten to dbus calls |
| 11:00.33 | [DarkGUNMAN] | dbus-monitor doesn't show anything |
| 11:00.56 | chem|st | what do you need it for? |
| 11:01.27 | chem|st | desktop widgets usually being set to autoupdate by default cause that |
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| 11:02.07 | [DarkGUNMAN] | maemo regularly tries to open an internet connection |
| 11:02.15 | chem|st | shanttu: well it needs a valid cache to do so |
| 11:02.22 | [DarkGUNMAN] | thought it is not all the time |
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| 11:02.33 | chem|st | frequently you mean |
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| 11:03.03 | [DarkGUNMAN] | yes, only during the day for some reason |
| 11:03.09 | chem|st | [DarkGUNMAN]: I guess it is depending on which homescreen you are looking and one of the widgets you use wants to update |
| 11:03.36 | chem|st | or you have set email update or something |
| 11:04.22 | [DarkGUNMAN] | only widgets i have in play are flipclock, connectnow, and a qbw to show IP address, not set to autoupdate, only on network trigger |
| 11:04.32 | [DarkGUNMAN] | modest is not set to update |
| 11:04.46 | [DarkGUNMAN] | and i removed cherry |
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| 11:05.52 | chem|st | hmm |
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| 11:06.29 | chem|st | log cpu usage and compare which one is hogging right before |
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| 11:21.05 | [DarkGUNMAN] | chem|st - appart from watching htop is there a way to log this to a file. |
| 11:21.24 | [DarkGUNMAN] | i did notice that swap space jumped in use by 32mb |
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| 11:27.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | re equalizer FIR, me and a guy nick HNK or NKH or sth like that looked into that like 1.5y ago. check chanlogs fo mixer chip name and FIR |
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| 11:32.10 | chem|st | [DarkGUNMAN]: top snapshots to file |
| 11:34.28 | [DarkGUNMAN] | chem|st - looks like modest is the culprit. shall i post here or pastebin? |
| 11:35.05 | chem|st | pastebin |
| 11:35.27 | chem|st | top -b -n1|head -10|tail -6 |
| 11:35.44 | chem|st | gives back 6 lines of top oftop |
| 11:36.12 | [DarkGUNMAN] | its an entry i found in dbus-monitor |
| 11:36.47 | chem|st | so its email trying to connect |
| 11:37.05 | chem|st | onliner you may paste here but more pastebin pls |
| 11:37.11 | chem|st | oneliner |
| 11:37.17 | [DarkGUNMAN] | http://pastebin.com/AANDkp3c |
| 11:37.52 | [DarkGUNMAN] | i'm no expert but it looked likely to me |
| 11:38.21 | Jaffa | Oooh, exciting. I might be getting to go to OSCon in July |
| 11:38.53 | chem|st | [DarkGUNMAN]: looks like a failing sendreceive request |
| 11:39.13 | chem|st | does it fail after you deny connection or just blank? |
| 11:39.48 | chem|st | ok no it does it at mine too |
| 11:40.34 | [DarkGUNMAN] | I got this while connected (using x-chat) |
| 11:40.48 | [DarkGUNMAN] | so this is likely prompting the connection when offline? |
| 11:41.11 | chem|st | I just got it by closing conversations |
| 11:41.31 | chem|st | this has nothing to do with your connection request |
| 11:41.32 | [DarkGUNMAN] | modest is definetly not set to update automatically |
| 11:42.11 | [DarkGUNMAN] | ok. I guess a bit of bug hunting using top is the way to go. |
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| 11:42.23 | [DarkGUNMAN] | thank you for your time |
| 11:44.40 | chem|st | logging the top 6 cpu hogging should be fair enough |
| 11:45.11 | chem|st | don't write several files as you will get to your inode limit pretty fast |
| 11:47.09 | vi_ | root |
| 11:47.21 | vi_ | oops, wrong xterm |
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| 11:57.08 | dafox | chem|st: I'm back. sorry again. That sounds interesting, so how far did you get? |
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| 11:58.44 | [DarkGUNMAN] | thanks again |
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| 12:11.09 | chem|st | dafox: read DocScrutinizer51's reply above |
| 12:11.55 | dafox | chem|st: yes, I was already looking through the logs, I was just curious how far you got with your pulseaudio equalizer :) |
| 12:12.10 | dafox | were you doing it in software or using those hw-filters? |
| 12:12.39 | chem|st | I got it working for speakers only, as soon as something happened like incoming call or something the thing went crazy |
| 12:12.51 | chem|st | software |
| 12:13.13 | chem|st | AND it did keep the cpu at 99% |
| 12:13.15 | dafox | I'm reading here that the filters were not that powerful? |
| 12:13.28 | dafox | mm 100% cpu is maybe not so useful... |
| 12:13.37 | chem|st | no idea, I just tried to get my earpiece adjusted.... |
| 12:13.46 | chem|st | it is always to low |
| 12:14.50 | freemangordon | chem|st, ever tried to neon-optimize it? |
| 12:15.30 | chem|st | so I thought to suppress and raise lvls to get speech cleared, I am not very good with PA, I also tried to network audio with pulse |
| 12:16.27 | dafox | ugh yeah, it's hard to hear anything. I read that that was actually a fault in the hardware design though? As in they positioned the actual speaker some distance away from the speaker hole in the casing, and then there's a narrow path for the actual audio waves to travel through? |
| 12:16.28 | chem|st | freemangordon: nope, never got to the stage of actually finding it any useful |
| 12:17.09 | freemangordon | chem|st, that should make things 3-4 times faster for matrix operations |
| 12:17.27 | freemangordon | the same as with MMX/SSE |
| 12:19.40 | freemangordon | assumes chem|st uses matrices for calculations |
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| 12:29.24 | chem|st | true |
| 12:30.21 | chem|st | I decided to stay with scripting instead of coding... at least s/t I actualy am able to do right^^ |
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| 12:43.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | good scripting is way harder than semi-decent coding |
| 12:43.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | though abysmally bad code is way easier to create than terribly messed up scripts |
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| 12:46.51 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: just more my thing, especially as I needed to do alot of scripting for work, even learn a new scripting language |
| 12:48.02 | chem|st | actually 3 new languages I never will use for anything else than those specifics |
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| 13:34.02 | chem|st | ~bq27200 |
| 13:34.20 | chem|st | ~battery |
| 13:34.20 | infobot | methinks battery is made by Danionics http://www.danionics.com/products/icphh02.asp, or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/questions.html#AEN744 |
| 13:34.32 | chem|st | ~bme |
| 13:34.32 | infobot | hmm... bme is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME |
| 13:34.46 | ruskie | hmm is there any way on a N900 to restart all system apps(i.e. what comes up on a vanilla bootup) easily? |
| 13:34.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~listkeys bq27 |
| 13:41.09 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: I cannot remember what is what in bq27200.sh output... |
| 13:41.33 | chem|st | CI: has to be zero or something is wrong I rember |
| 13:41.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 13:42.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | get bq27k-detail2 from my server |
| 13:42.10 | chem|st | my battery went flat within minutes from showing like +50% charge |
| 13:42.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | it has full epic length datasheet text |
| 13:44.20 | chem|st | wohoo even register addresses^^ |
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| 13:45.01 | chem|st | at least I do not need to reset, I just need some charging cycles to reecover right? |
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| 13:50.27 | klea | chem|st: just finished flashing rootfs>emmc>rootfs with battery removals and all, installed wireless-tools and..... same results with the wifi :-| |
| 13:50.42 | klea | so it must be something else... |
| 13:52.32 | chem|st | klea: different wifi APs tested, right? |
| 13:53.07 | klea | not yet but it still detects 2 APs out of the 20 that i have around... |
| 13:53.41 | chem|st | SNR? |
| 13:53.48 | chem|st | quality? |
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| 13:58.14 | klea | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:07.21 | chem|st | ok |
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| 14:09.41 | chem|st | at least it is not something like -50dBm/-65dBm |
| 14:10.24 | chem|st | cleaning antenna contacts would be my next aproach |
| 14:12.42 | ShadowJK | resetting bq27200 would make battery go empty at around 50% |
| 14:12.43 | Hurrian | those are some horrible wifi perf metrics |
| 14:14.43 | chem|st | ShadowJK: I didn't do nothing, I was listening to some music and it popped up with battery empty... I had a reboot in that cycle, always there is wrong reading after that and I am wondering why |
| 14:14.50 | chem|st | well bme sucks I know |
| 14:15.07 | ShadowJK | bme resets on reboot |
| 14:15.29 | ShadowJK | and doesn't use data from bq27200 |
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| 14:19.03 | klea | chem|st: ok, i suppose that once I get inside there is something that can be actually cleaned... but first i have to find a way to remove these torx screws :) |
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| 14:20.14 | vi_ | klea torx screw driver works pretty good |
| 14:20.22 | chem|st | lol |
| 14:21.43 | klea | :) |
| 14:21.53 | chem|st | klea: rub the springs on a clean sheet of blank paper and use a qtip for the PCB contacts |
| 14:21.56 | klea | yeap, if u have one :) |
| 14:23.20 | klea | chem|st: ok, thanx, i'll keep a note of that |
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| 14:36.56 | vi_ | klea: it is worth buying a torx driver for this task. Other wise you will mangle the head |
| 14:37.05 | vi_ | you can them on ebay for like 1 euro. |
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| 14:40.01 | dafox | chem|st: wouldn't -65 be better than -88 |
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| 14:45.50 | chem|st | in terms of noise? I have -55/-108 SNR |
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| 15:28.39 | dafox | no, in terms of reception power (signal level). The noise level (-91dBm) seems ok, but the reception is very poor (at only -88dBm) |
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| 15:30.08 | dafox | where can one see these stats btw? |
| 15:30.12 | kwtm | Hi. Is there an application that will keep reminding me every 15 minutes that there is a SMS (and possibly email) that I have not yet checked? |
| 15:37.35 | vi_ | There is but it is wriiten in python and chores your battery. |
| 15:37.43 | beford | i would hate an app like that |
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| 15:39.03 | fw190 | hello |
| 15:39.25 | fw190 | Could someone please check if mamo flasher can be downloaded? |
| 15:39.31 | fw190 | I have a problem with it |
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| 15:43.39 | dafox | ok, apt-get install wireless-tools, then iwconfig tells me -70 / -94 snr |
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| 15:52.58 | chem|st | fw190: which one? |
| 15:53.25 | chem|st | fw190: tried 3 all work |
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| 15:53.56 | chem|st | you are here, right? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 15:54.23 | fw190 | yes |
| 15:54.48 | chem|st | something wrong on your end! try wget |
| 15:55.42 | dafox | grr. Has anyone figured out a way to get MfE to work again after "error in communication with exchange server" without rebooting? Like removing some files or killing some process? |
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| 15:56.08 | chem|st | dafox: -72/-96 35% at 54Mb/s I have with powermanagement on, 10mW |
| 15:56.45 | fw190 | well chromium didn't want to download it |
| 15:56.52 | chem|st | wget? |
| 15:56.52 | fw190 | bu firefox did the trick |
| 15:56.58 | fw190 | thank you for your help |
| 15:57.01 | fw190 | no |
| 15:57.02 | chem|st | kk |
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| 15:57.11 | fw190 | I do not know ow to wget |
| 15:57.12 | fw190 | ;) |
| 15:57.15 | chem|st | fw190: windows7? |
| 15:57.23 | dafox | chem|st: yes, more or less the same for me. Quality reading says ~35/100 . So 88 is really too few :) |
| 15:57.27 | chem|st | 64bit? |
| 15:57.44 | fw190 | ubuntu 12.04 but I'm a linux noob |
| 15:57.47 | fw190 | just a user |
| 15:57.50 | chem|st | dafox: that is my usual reception at work... |
| 15:57.53 | fw190 | firefox failed to |
| 15:58.08 | chem|st | there is something wrong on your end |
| 15:58.38 | chem|st | open a terminal and enter: |
| 15:58.51 | chem|st | wget http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb |
| 15:59.17 | chem|st | mkdir maemo |
| 15:59.46 | chem|st | mv maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb maemo/ |
| 15:59.52 | chem|st | cd maemo |
| 16:00.07 | chem|st | dpkg -x maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb |
| 16:00.59 | chem|st | each line is commited by hitting enter... |
| 16:01.05 | chem|st | gtg l8er |
| 16:01.36 | fw190 | thank you for you help |
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| 18:48.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | +q *!*@* ? |
| 18:50.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack |
| 18:50.03 | infobot | :), DocScrutinizer51 |
| 18:50.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | I should teach er to send a |
| 18:50.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | --- MARK --- |
| 18:50.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | line every 60min without any post |
| 18:51.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~attack chem|st |
| 18:51.28 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing chem|st |
| 19:00.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | klea: I still think your environment is the culprit, not your WLAN antenna |
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| 19:01.30 | chem|st | re |
| 19:02.10 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: o/ |
| 19:02.18 | chem|st | ~feed DocScrutinizer51 |
| 19:02.18 | infobot | ACTION offers DocScrutinizer51 some toe-jam |
| 19:02.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | yummy, toes in jelly |
| 19:02.56 | chem|st | you become a diva if you are hungry |
| 19:02.59 | chem|st | :) |
| 19:03.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-D |
| 19:03.24 | Raimu | Jelly-dipped toes in mouth? |
| 19:03.28 | chem|st | well his SNR looks fine |
| 19:03.51 | chem|st | I am wondering what the problem is, |
| 19:04.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: doesn't meaqn much, THD alias cross-intermodulation |
| 19:04.21 | chem|st | grml wanted to have some offline life tonight but it is raining cats |
| 19:04.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | can happen with strong nearby signals that are not (or are) WLAN |
| 19:04.51 | chem|st | switching channels might help yes |
| 19:05.20 | chem|st | you should havve a look on all others and pick a channel close to the weakest |
| 19:05.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | not many users are aware a single AP occupies 3 cahnnels up and 3 down from center channel |
| 19:06.10 | chem|st | my neighbourhood scramples wlan/gsm/umts/cable |
| 19:06.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | WLAN modulation width is much wider than channel spacing |
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| 19:06.21 | chem|st | scramble.. |
| 19:07.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | get WiFi-Eye, it's awesome |
| 19:07.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | a really really decent tool |
| 19:07.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | done by a devel who knew his shit |
| 19:07.51 | chem|st | quiet frequently a guy of our cable company is walking around trying to find the spot where wifi and stuff is interfering most to put on some extra shielding |
| 19:07.56 | chem|st | got wifi-eye |
| 19:08.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | the graphic display is instantly intuitive |
| 19:08.19 | chem|st | yes |
| 19:10.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | but still it doesn't show the leaking microwave oven in your neighbour's kitchen |
| 19:11.33 | vi_____ | ...use channel 14. |
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| 19:11.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | for a reference: I get sth like -56dBm a 100cm away from my AP |
| 19:12.35 | vi_____ | also at 20MHz channel width... |
| 19:12.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | [11:57:22] <DocScrutinizer51> WTF my t900 doesn't know about chan13 :-S |
| 19:12.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | [11:58:11] <DocScrutinizer51> switched AP to chan13, IroN900 not even lost connection, T900 doesn't see AP anymore |
| 19:13.42 | vi_____ | and 5MHz spacing per channel. |
| 19:13.55 | vi_____ | implies 2 channels up and down. |
| 19:14.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, since other AP would also use 20MHz, that means you need at least 3 'unused' chan for separating |
| 19:15.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi_____: it's not like AP WLAN just spams the neighbour chans, it actually uses them - also for RX |
| 19:16.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | basic rule: if your modulation is X wide, you need X as minimum real chan spacing |
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| 19:18.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | this would mean 4 times 5 MHz skip to center of next neighbour AP freq |
| 19:19.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | which, in my book, equals 3 "unused" channels |
| 19:20.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | don't mess with an EE ;-P |
| 19:22.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi_____: esp not with a badass EE like me ;-) |
| 19:22.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi_____: I'm temped to kick you, just to see if your e-peen gets longer or shorter on rejoin |
| 19:22.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | ;-P |
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| 19:23.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi_{5}: this is really nasty! |
| 19:23.48 | Estel_ | vi_, in this channel discussion, DocScrutinizer is right. |
| 19:24.03 | Estel_ | standard sewttingsa have only 3 totally non-interferring channels |
| 19:24.27 | Estel_ | ho ever, klea problem soudns like ep[rfect example of lack of contact with antenna |
| 19:24.54 | Estel_ | he got -69 holding device 10 cm from AP, and -89 when holding it 3 meters away |
| 19:25.07 | Estel_ | tyr to unscrew You N900 wifi antenna totally, and You'll have same resulots |
| 19:25.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's a bit low |
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| 19:25.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | for the 3m |
| 19:25.50 | Estel_ | blaming bleeblaming bleeding-edge drivers ias bullshit, they're well tested, but he also tried stockj |
| 19:25.55 | Estel_ | yea |
| 19:26.07 | Estel_ | and very high drop with distance |
| 19:26.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | for 10cm I'd not be surprised his RX amp gets so terribly into clipping that no detection of AP is possible :-P |
| 19:26.16 | Estel_ | IIRC, N900 without antenna at all act like that |
| 19:26.20 | Estel_ | of course |
| 19:26.53 | Estel_ | still, I'm pretty sure it's not software related |
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| 19:27.13 | Estel_ | ...as long as I can be sure investigating it from IRC :P |
| 19:27.29 | Estel_ | BTw, Currently, i've 5 N900's in front of me |
| 19:27.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | and quite obviously RX clipping would cause massive intermodulation and thus the WiFi wouldn't see *any* AP then |
| 19:27.39 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, yep. |
| 19:28.06 | Estel_ | ...and I'm planning to run qtflow on it, then create something like inter-screen flow :P |
| 19:28.14 | Estel_ | will try to film it, as a kind of gail to lcuk |
| 19:28.16 | Estel_ | hail |
| 19:28.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | nah, that's definitely not a sw problem |
| 19:28.24 | Estel_ | loads updated writing modules from KP |
| 19:28.46 | Estel_ | anti-typo check 2.0 loaded |
| 19:29.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's either an environment with way too many BT and WLAN messing up everything, or even a leaking microwave or door-radar, or actually a broken antenna (least probable alternative) |
| 19:29.51 | Estel_ | Hm, broken antenna OR broken contact with antenna is most likely thing here. |
| 19:29.57 | Estel_ | easy test |
| 19:30.14 | Estel_ | unscrew 6 screws, open N900, stick fork to antenna contacts :P |
| 19:30.23 | Estel_ | if reception will improve, it's antenna. |
| 19:30.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh |
| 19:30.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | the hosiden or whatever test connector might be defect |
| 19:31.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | seen this many many times |
| 19:32.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | those friggin things are built and designed and specified for max 50 rounds |
| 19:32.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | so odds are a certain percentage breaks on first round |
| 19:33.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | another non-negligible percentage breaks on mere aging |
| 19:33.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | waaaay more frequent defect than contact spring of antenna getting 'dirty' |
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| 19:34.14 | Estel_ | no,I don't mean that. |
| 19:34.23 | Estel_ | Hirose connectors are fragile, don't put fork nthere |
| 19:34.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway you're aware BT and WLAN share one antenna? |
| 19:34.42 | Estel_ | I mean "stick fork to copper spring on N900 MB" |
| 19:34.46 | Estel_ | yes |
| 19:34.49 | MohammadAG | whoever decided that's sane... |
| 19:34.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | what? |
| 19:35.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | sharing antenna? absolutely sane |
| 19:35.22 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, that's why i'm designing adapter in N900's body replacement - user will need to connect it to hirose connectors only once... |
| 19:35.28 | MohammadAG | in terms of device size and power, yes, in terms of everything else |
| 19:35.31 | Estel_ | And gain plugs for external antenna in outside of N900's body :) |
| 19:35.43 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, it's not like that. |
| 19:35.48 | Estel_ | Wifi and bt use samke frequency, almost |
| 19:36.03 | Estel_ | uusing one antenna is very OK, and don't affect performance. |
| 19:36.12 | Estel_ | if You don't like that, blame BT for using 2,4 at all :P |
| 19:36.14 | MohammadAG | download a big file while listening to music over BT |
| 19:36.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: it's absolutely irrelevant if you are using same antenna, or two separate antennae that aren't (separate) |
| 19:36.23 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, using 2 antennas won't help there |
| 19:36.37 | Estel_ | still both antennas will pick up same frequency |
| 19:36.38 | MohammadAG | then why does the N900 perform terribly there? |
| 19:36.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: yep |
| 19:36.53 | MohammadAG | whereas other devices don't |
| 19:36.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: *every* device does |
| 19:37.00 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, smart BT devices "know" how to cooperate with wlan |
| 19:37.11 | Estel_ | N900's BT is also able to do that, but it depends on peripheral device |
| 19:37.20 | Estel_ | i.e. headphone |
| 19:37.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | there's so called n-wire-coexistence |
| 19:37.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | where n = [2, 3, 4] |
| 19:37.50 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: switched channel... hit a bug... no TX anymore... |
| 19:37.50 | Estel_ | BTW, it's strange, I've tested it with definitelly *not* smart BT adapters, and listening to music was making 0 perceveiable impact on my WLAN |
| 19:38.07 | Estel_ | chem|st, it's becauise You use sucking stock kernel |
| 19:38.15 | MohammadAG | Then my antenna's crappy |
| 19:38.19 | MohammadAG | or defective |
| 19:38.20 | Estel_ | drop ash into Your head and install KP50 again in Your sister's N900 |
| 19:38.28 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, not related to antenna |
| 19:38.30 | MohammadAG | I was sending a file over BT once, and connecting to WLAN killed it |
| 19:38.40 | Estel_ | blame 2nd bluetooth device |
| 19:38.50 | MohammadAG | an N900 |
| 19:38.54 | Estel_ | and/or drivers, with coexistence disabled |
| 19:39.18 | Estel_ | BT coexistence with wlan require strict cooperation in terms of software and hardware. N900 got everything setup properly |
| 19:39.23 | Estel_ | and it's proven to work on correct setup |
| 19:39.36 | Estel_ | I think that Your 2nd device bluetooth module OR drivers/software settings were bad. |
| 19:41.00 | Estel_ | argh, damn google |
| 19:41.08 | Estel_ | it buggy me every 5 logins to give them my phone number |
| 19:41.10 | Estel_ | GTFO |
| 19:41.18 | Estel_ | by google, mean gmail |
| 19:41.25 | Estel_ | s/mean/means/ |
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| 19:43.41 | Raimu | First I was wondering about the "drop ash" comment, but then I recalled it's a gesture of shame. |
| 19:43.53 | Raimu | Sack cloth and ashes, like. |
| 19:44.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | F U Lenovo, PSU case is glued |
| 19:44.18 | Raimu | I don't know whether it's prevalent in the English language, though. :D |
| 19:46.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | I wondered if he assumed chem|st has messybox installed in his brain ;-P |
| 19:49.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | though from IT I don't know the term "drop into", I'd rather think of the database term "drop table" which more is like delete rather than install |
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| 19:50.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | so "drop ash" doesn't make sense, "drop busybox" would |
| 19:51.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | can't decide between scissors and hammer to 'repair' that Lenovo PSU |
| 19:57.46 | vi_____ | your going to 'fix' a switch mode psu with a hammer? |
| 19:57.59 | Raimu | This sounds interesting. |
| 19:58.26 | vi_____ | if you are such a hot EE, explain PFC in 3 or less sentances. |
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| 20:03.42 | Raimu | Power factor correction, sentence 1: AC electricity is funny and gets angry when used on inconvenient-type loads. |
| 20:04.08 | Raimu | Sentence 2: ??? Sentence 3: Profit |
| 20:09.18 | Raimu | (I had to cheat and look this up, because I think I dozed through our AC classes way back when) Basically PFC is a filtering placed on a power supply that makes it draw current the way an ideal resistive load would. |
| 20:10.47 | Raimu | "In this case, the voltage and current are in phase and the reactive power consumption is zero." |
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| 20:18.04 | vi_____ | that is the bit that breaks my head |
| 20:18.15 | vi_____ | the voltage an current are in phase. |
| 20:18.18 | vi_____ | wtf |
| 20:18.26 | vi_____ | how can the be out of phase |
| 20:18.33 | vi_____ | ^they |
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| 20:20.11 | Raimu | Long ago I think I mainly just accepted that AC is scary and weird. |
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| 20:24.29 | vi_____ | I heard it is made of magnets. |
| 20:24.41 | Raimu | "Fucking magnets, how do they work?" |
| 20:26.05 | vi_____ | PFC I think. |
| 20:26.16 | Raimu | :D |
| 20:26.38 | vi_____ | PFC is about as hard to grasp as VM tuning. |
| 20:29.00 | MohammadAG | speaking of wihch |
| 20:29.02 | MohammadAG | which |
| 20:29.15 | MohammadAG | what would happen if I connect an AC circuit to a DC one? |
| 20:30.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | you invented a new rockmusic group |
| 20:30.13 | Raimu | *rimshot* |
| 20:31.11 | Raimu | MohammadAG: This one is easily tested! Some alligator clips, wire, wall AC socket and a DC battery. |
| 20:32.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | PSU won't usually mind |
| 20:32.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | good old iron core tranformers though |
| 20:32.56 | MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer51> you invented a new rockmusic group |
| 20:32.56 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 20:33.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~wiki AC/DC |
| 20:34.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | oops, seems it's not THAT new |
| 20:36.50 | doc|home | o.O |
| 20:38.32 | Raimu | The developer of qSpot ran into a snag when Spotify updated libspotify (a closed binary API) and now it depends on glibc 2.7 instead of an earlier one we've got with Maemo. |
| 20:38.38 | Raimu | How could one work over this? |
| 20:40.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, generally libs either are ABI compatible, or have distinct names |
| 20:41.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | if somebody messed things up there, you can start your stuff with "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=./here/my/glib-version/ <spotify-app>" |
| 20:42.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe you need to fix some minor typos in my suggestions |
| 20:45.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | man ld-linux |
| 20:46.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | or even /lib/ld-linux.so.* [OPTIONS] [PROGRAM [ARGUMENTS]] |
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| 20:49.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway WTF does this app depend on glibc2.7 at all? |
| 20:49.29 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, who doesn't know AC/DC? |
| 20:49.45 | Raimu | DocScrutinizer51: libspotify? Hell if I know. |
| 20:50.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | you could try and just create a symlink |
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| 20:50.32 | MohammadAG | LD_LIBRARY_PATH is the way to go |
| 20:50.41 | MohammadAG | assuming glibc 2.7 compiles |
| 20:50.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | back to whatever version glibc you got |
| 20:50.54 | Raimu | DocScrutinizer51: And pray for compatibility? |
| 20:51.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure |
| 20:51.27 | Raimu | I've done that once with dependencies... |
| 20:51.33 | Raimu | It felt shameful. |
| 20:51.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | praying helps I've been told - if you pray to the right diety |
| 20:53.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | if it doesn't, you either reconsider your choice of diety, or you sacrifice a hamster |
| 20:53.22 | MohammadAG | OVER MY DEAD BODY! |
| 20:53.33 | Raimu | If my microwave oven has been blessed by my deity, sure. |
| 20:53.41 | Raimu | I need to check that with an exorcist or something. |
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| 20:55.33 | Raimu | Anyway, thanks. I'll test and relay the info. |
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| 21:01.12 | chem|st | Estel_: as councelor you should behave like a role-model... speaking of asking people to install kernelpanik *cough* power is it NOT |
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| 21:01.28 | Estel_ | sorry, but above statement is idiotic |
| 21:01.33 | chem|st | and I am speaking of my router |
| 21:01.34 | Estel_ | have You ever tried kernel-power since Titan's era? |
| 21:01.51 | Estel_ | (i.e. above version kp46) |
| 21:02.08 | Estel_ | it's so big FUD, that I'm spechless, actually, which, as you may know already, doesn't happen very often. |
| 21:02.39 | Estel_ | anyway, CSSU and KP are two major community projects, that are going to get *a lot* support from Council, that is guaranteed. |
| 21:02.49 | chem|st | Estel_: speaking of "why is $that broken with KP?" |
| 21:02.59 | Estel_ | some examples, pleasE? |
| 21:03.07 | chem|st | you did the last days |
| 21:03.11 | chem|st | dpowertop? |
| 21:03.13 | Estel_ | or You rather mean "why it wasn't working in kp42 or kp46"? |
| 21:03.19 | Estel_ | FUD. |
| 21:03.30 | Estel_ | powertop is broken, and it was confirmed beyond any doubts. |
| 21:03.41 | Estel_ | freemangordon was irritated by this bullshi9t enough to check sources already |
| 21:03.54 | Estel_ | and posted on IRC what is broken and why, search for it, if You want. |
| 21:03.57 | chem|st | last time I checked everything from extras and nokia worked... |
| 21:04.02 | Estel_ | also, powertop is working great, btw, only screwed thyink is frequency listing |
| 21:04.17 | Estel_ | last time I checked powertop in extras haven't had source published ;) |
| 21:04.30 | Estel_ | now, everything from nokia and extras work with KP, afaik |
| 21:04.41 | Estel_ | while *not* everything from extras work without kp |
| 21:04.51 | Estel_ | honestly, please, answer this - have you *ever* tried KP above version 46? |
| 21:05.19 | Estel_ | since Pali and freemangordon took maintainership over it, it *never* created any problems. |
| 21:05.25 | chem|st | no I did not |
| 21:05.31 | Estel_ | spreading such FUD is not noly irritating, but even harmful. |
| 21:05.36 | Estel_ | so, please, stop spreading FUD. |
| 21:06.02 | Estel_ | I agree that some things were badly broken with Titan's version - especially, that Titan dissapeared without a single note and left it unamaintained... |
| 21:06.04 | chem|st | Estel_: asking everyone to install kp is even worse so stop it |
| 21:06.10 | Estel_ | ...see bq27x00_battery related things... |
| 21:06.29 | Estel_ | i'm not asking everyone to install it. ho ever, if someone want device free from stock kernel bugs, he/she should install KP IMO |
| 21:06.31 | chem|st | it does not fix all problems |
| 21:06.33 | Estel_ | stock kernel is obsolete IMO |
| 21:06.46 | Estel_ | nno problem, as sitting with stock doesn't fix ANY problem ;) |
| 21:07.12 | Venemo | hey Estel_ |
| 21:07.18 | chem|st | if kp is so "good" why isnt it in cssu already? |
| 21:07.19 | Venemo | congrats for your election! :) |
| 21:07.20 | Estel_ | BTWhi Venemo :) |
| 21:07.24 | Estel_ | thanks a lot :) |
| 21:07.36 | SpeedEvil | wonders if his one reported kernel bug got fixed in KP. |
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| 21:07.49 | Estel_ | BTW, chem|st, if You find anything that KP is doing wrong - so people shouldn't install it - fel free to ping me with example. |
| 21:08.05 | Estel_ | because for not, it's total FUD, in fact sounds like very essence of FUD |
| 21:08.21 | chem|st | you started me! |
| 21:08.27 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 21:08.31 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, which one? |
| 21:08.43 | Estel_ | if it wasn't, it may be good idea to re-report it to freemangordon or Pali |
| 21:08.44 | chem|st | you didn't even ask what my problem is but suggested KP |
| 21:08.45 | SpeedEvil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=774076 |
| 21:08.50 | SpeedEvil | The one referred to in this post |
| 21:08.52 | Estel_ | chem|st, you explained Your problem |
| 21:08.58 | SpeedEvil | Bogus awks. |
| 21:09.31 | chem|st | I said no TX... |
| 21:09.36 | Estel_ | chem|st, btw, whatever the reason wa,s it's not fair to depreciate freemangordon's and Pali's work by spreading bullshit'ish FUD about KP |
| 21:09.47 | chem|st | that isn't really a descriptive one... |
| 21:09.51 | Estel_ | is investigating SpeedEvil's link |
| 21:09.57 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11091 |
| 21:09.59 | SpeedEvil | that. |
| 21:10.00 | povbot | 04Bug 11091: Bug in cpufreq module - exposed in /proc/timer_stats |
| 21:10.26 | SpeedEvil | I tried tracking this down, but I got stuck in a maze of twisty sourcecode all alike. |
| 21:11.03 | SpeedEvil | this is, however, I suspect one of the less important bugs out there. :) |
| 21:11.08 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, dunno, will ask freemangordon. could You, please, elaborate in noob-friendly way, how I can check if i'm hit by it myself? |
| 21:11.15 | Estel_ | wlel, probably yes ;) |
| 21:11.21 | SpeedEvil | powertop |
| 21:11.28 | SpeedEvil | It shows a bogus awk. |
| 21:11.34 | Estel_ | yea, understand that, but what to check? those awk ticks? |
| 21:12.09 | Estel_ | 37 | 8D| awk | cpufreq_governor_dbs (delayed_work_timer_fn) |
| 21:12.15 | Estel_ | something like that shouldn't appear at all? |
| 21:12.20 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 21:12.21 | Estel_ | I'm doing powertop test now |
| 21:12.27 | SpeedEvil | Awk isn't actually running. |
| 21:12.46 | Estel_ | roger roger, testing that |
| 21:13.18 | Estel_ | I doesn't have anything awk related in powertop output. |
| 21:13.20 | SpeedEvil | The call mentioned is run to see if it needs to change frequency. |
| 21:13.44 | SpeedEvil | What is shown against the cpufreq_governor process? |
| 21:13.57 | SpeedEvil | what process is shown against that call |
| 21:14.15 | Estel_ | sec, I'm uploading powertop log |
| 21:15.42 | Estel_ | http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?7dfe55fd658ab92d#L3C5Qr2w+9wMti3Yta+xf1bI+FM3GdSr8TtKshdA6GM= |
| 21:16.12 | Estel_ | AFK for a 15-20 minutes |
| 21:20.23 | SpeedEvil | yeah - the above - 'preinit' - is bogus. |
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| 21:21.36 | freemangordon | SpeedEvil: I see |
| 21:22.27 | SpeedEvil | As someone affected by this bug - I would suggest this is almost irrelevant. I only reported it as there were people actually working on the kernel, being paid for it. |
| 21:22.36 | freemangordon | SpeedEvil: Are you aware if there is a bug against KP? There is no AFAIK |
| 21:22.48 | SpeedEvil | I doubt it. |
| 21:23.11 | SpeedEvil | it will at worst confuse people trying to track down power issues. |
| 21:23.22 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 21:24.04 | SpeedEvil | OTOH - if someone happens to know where it's set - then just setting the call to cpufreq_governor_dbs to <kernel core> would be a 1 min fix. |
| 21:24.10 | SpeedEvil | (possibly) |
| 21:25.05 | freemangordon | No idea. BTW i looked a day or two ago in cpufreq/cpuidle code, it is like spaghetti :( |
| 21:25.45 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 21:25.53 | SpeedEvil | I got stuck, and couldn't see what set it. |
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| 21:26.44 | freemangordon | Anyway, filing a bug report agains KP is not a bad idea, unlike that against omap1, it actually could get solved :). Might take some time though |
| 21:27.42 | freemangordon | Soon or later I have to somehow fix that nan% in powertop |
| 21:28.24 | SpeedEvil | I'd hoped to build a better powertop. |
| 21:28.34 | Estel_ | freemangordon, that's why I fight with flame any FUD's against KP - it's the least I can do. |
| 21:28.39 | SpeedEvil | But I got stalled largely as nokia set fire to everything. |
| 21:28.55 | freemangordon | SpeedEvil, according to IDA powertop is not so hard to be REd |
| 21:29.02 | Estel_ | I got murderous instinct, when someone insist that installing KP is bad thing, for some murky, unverified, FUD'ish reasons |
| 21:29.13 | SpeedEvil | powertop is really simple. |
| 21:29.18 | SpeedEvil | - if you look at the input files. |
| 21:29.27 | Estel_ | Well, maybe not to the point of saying "You won't hijack KP", but still. |
| 21:29.45 | Estel_ | ( DocScrutinizer, it's just a small punb, I hope You won't get offended ) |
| 21:29.46 | freemangordon | SpeedEvil, which input files you mean - thuse in /sys? |
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| 21:29.54 | freemangordon | *those |
| 21:29.57 | SpeedEvil | The CPUfreq/active breakdown is easy. IRQ is easy. PID/'wakeups is easy |
| 21:30.18 | SpeedEvil | I don't understand the power domain breakups - I'd have to research that |
| 21:30.30 | SpeedEvil | And the totals are also easy |
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| 21:30.37 | freemangordon | actually AIUI what powertop does is to read and print sysfs nodes, nothing more |
| 21:30.39 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, we would, literally *love* to see Your contributing to KP in any way, especially via kernel-development. No irony here - it's just that kernel devs are very needed. |
| 21:30.40 | SpeedEvil | It's not worth REing |
| 21:30.50 | Estel_ | freemangordon and Pali are doing epic things, but they're only two here :) |
| 21:31.32 | SpeedEvil | I haven't actually done kernel code, and unfortunately, all my time at the moment is spent doing pointless unproductive stuff like reading hundreds of pages of court jugements. |
| 21:32.02 | freemangordon | SpeedEvil, yeah, writing it from scratch is mybe a better idea |
| 21:32.07 | freemangordon | *maybe |
| 21:32.37 | freemangordon | Now we only have to find a volunteer for the job :D |
| 21:33.10 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management |
| 21:33.18 | SpeedEvil | Contains a somewhat useful script. |
| 21:34.15 | freemangordon | On the side note: I am almost ready with REing of libfacebookcommon.so, the one I suspect is guilty for broken FB on n900 |
| 21:34.22 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 21:35.17 | Estel_ | freemangordon, then send Nokia inco |
| 21:35.20 | Estel_ | invoice* |
| 21:35.27 | Estel_ | for fixing something that was broken from very release |
| 21:35.44 | freemangordon | yeah, two functions remaining - facebook_login and facebook_request_free |
| 21:35.52 | SpeedEvil | I have doubts that will work :) |
| 21:36.05 | freemangordon | sending a invoice? |
| 21:36.11 | Estel_ | erm, sorry for bothering, but don't have google in hand (I'm on 10 kbps connection at the moment) - who remember command to check Hw revision? |
| 21:36.12 | freemangordon | That NEVER works :) |
| 21:36.13 | Estel_ | uname what? |
| 21:36.37 | Estel_ | so send them two gangstas meant to "get loan paid" |
| 21:36.43 | freemangordon | Estel_, osso-product-info or something |
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| 21:37.15 | Estel_ | I'm having 5 devices in front of me, want to check if maybe I've luck by finding "holy revision" ;) |
| 21:37.27 | Estel_ | then, i'll install qtflow on it all and make a "family photo" |
| 21:38.13 | Estel_ | eh, stock kernel - can't reliably turn device on, while connected to charger |
| 21:38.18 | Estel_ | sure people, stay on stock ;) |
| 21:39.02 | SpeedEvil | i don't think any kernel bugs as such are much annoying me. |
| 21:39.13 | SpeedEvil | more sw ones. |
| 21:39.16 | Estel_ | true, it was rather irony. |
| 21:40.40 | Estel_ | osso-product-info doesn't show hw revision :/ |
| 21:40.47 | freemangordon | BTW talking about bugs in KP, I think there is at least one, and it was introduced by Pali,. But I am waiting for his exams to finish. |
| 21:40.53 | Estel_ | aye, i'll oppen google in text mode |
| 21:41.01 | Estel_ | and hope that this behemot will show me results in 5 minutes or so :LP |
| 21:41.56 | freemangordon | i.e. echoing "0" to unlock fmtx leads to 100% CPU usage |
| 21:42.34 | freemangordon | chem|st: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/kernel-cssu |
| 21:42.51 | freemangordon | still only in -devel |
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| 21:45.03 | Venemo | interesting to see that there's still life in Fremantle :) |
| 21:46.37 | chem|st | freemangordon: I know, I always have an eye for $user |
| 21:47.02 | chem|st | meaning as long as something is still ment devel it is not for $user |
| 21:49.40 | freemangordon | chem|st: sure thing, but honestly, if we put OC (and Pali's bug) aside, KP (v50) and kernel-cssu are rock-stable. Not that we should put them into $users throats tomorrow :) |
| 21:50.57 | Woody14619 | LOLs a Estel_'s "You won't hijack KP" pun. :) |
| 21:51.48 | Woody14619 | So... All this chatter about "facebook" being broken on n900... What exactly is broken? Image upload? Chat? |
| 21:52.12 | freemangordon | uploader and widget |
| 21:52.27 | Woody14619 | k. I don't use the widget, but uploader seems to work fine for me? |
| 21:52.28 | freemangordon | AFAIK |
| 21:52.35 | freemangordon | now? |
| 21:52.43 | freemangordon | hmm, let me try |
| 21:52.46 | Woody14619 | I just uploaded a pic yesterday. |
| 21:52.59 | Woody14619 | I'll push one now to be sure... |
| 21:53.07 | freemangordon | ok |
| 21:56.48 | Woody14619 | yeah... slow, but it works fine. |
| 21:58.24 | freemangordon | that is strange, I have a "Transfer error" here |
| 21:58.44 | Woody14619 | https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.4069393460262.2176808.1445109538&type=3&l=d7a987c01b Check the last picture (lawnmower). |
| 21:59.31 | freemangordon | Woody14619, yeah, saw that |
| 21:59.35 | freemangordon | WTF? |
| 21:59.37 | SpeedEvil | Woody14619: What does that '*' say? |
| 21:59.57 | SpeedEvil | '5 horsepower thermal, if on fire' |
| 22:00.37 | Woody14619 | I think that means when fully charged and free-spinning. :) |
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| 22:01.18 | Woody14619 | Now I'll note something odd... when I run it over T-Mobil, it works fine. Over wifi at work, works fine. Wifi from home? I get a transfer error every time. |
| 22:01.47 | Woody14619 | But it's been doing that for me for about 6 months... so... I figured it was TW and FB arguing about spam or such. |
| 22:01.53 | freemangordon | SOPA? :P |
| 22:02.10 | Woody14619 | :P I hope not.. |
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| 22:03.00 | Woody14619 | SpeedEvil: Love that little mower. :) Very nice, when it works. |
| 22:03.15 | SpeedEvil | needs to strip the carb on his strimmer. |
| 22:03.23 | chem|st | Woody14619: just tried... upload is not working for me |
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| 22:03.44 | freemangordon | Not working over GPRS too |
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| 22:04.02 | Woody14619 | Hmm... See for me it works every time over gprs. |
| 22:04.36 | Woody14619 | freemangordon, have you unlinked and relinked to FB lately? I did that a while ago because the app wanted post permissions and didn't have them. |
| 22:04.49 | freemangordon | tried with WLAN and GPR, no joy |
| 22:04.50 | Woody14619 | And it was always giving me an error because of that. |
| 22:04.55 | freemangordon | Woody14619, no |
| 22:05.10 | freemangordon | Should I? |
| 22:05.23 | Woody14619 | I had to completely diban the app on FB, uninstall the plugin, then reinstall and re-auth with it. |
| 22:05.34 | Woody14619 | Maybe that's the issue? |
| 22:05.40 | freemangordon | aaah. I see, let me try |
| 22:05.42 | Woody14619 | Couldn't hurt to try? |
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| 22:16.23 | freemangordon | Woody14619, cannot validate account |
| 22:16.42 | freemangordon | "no internet connection available" bullshit |
| 22:17.31 | freemangordon | though I didn;t uninstall the plugin |
| 22:18.31 | Woody14619 | Wait.. what? |
| 22:18.57 | Woody14619 | So you diabled the app on FB only? |
| 22:19.11 | freemangordon | I deleted it. on FB |
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| 22:19.26 | Woody14619 | And it won't re-enable on the N900? |
| 22:19.32 | freemangordon | yep |
| 22:20.05 | freemangordon | pressing "validate" results in "no network connection available. operation canceled" banner |
| 22:20.40 | freemangordon | BTW there was an explanation from MohammadAG why it does not work |
| 22:21.29 | Woody14619 | Ok? What was the explination? (Perhapse I have some glitch that lets it still work?) |
| 22:21.58 | freemangordon | FB changed theit API, the one used on n900 is deprecated |
| 22:22.38 | Woody14619 | Well, yeah, except it still works for me? It also looks like the app page is gone. |
| 22:23.23 | Woody14619 | The pic I posted says "via Nokia N900", where the later is a link to the facebook app. But the app page is gone. (https://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=67878695711 |
| 22:23.58 | freemangordon | :) nice |
| 22:25.03 | Woody14619 | So, at some level the app is still there... and working... But at some level it's gone. :P |
| 22:25.07 | freemangordon | Woody14619, maybe you are served by some server which is still not updated |
| 22:26.17 | Woody14619 | Perhapse? Maybe the larger server houses have their own "leaf" device to interface w/ FB? So TMobile & Verizon still are happy, but TW is not? |
| 22:26.26 | Sc0rpius | sighs |
| 22:27.22 | wmarone | ok so the widget et. al. is dead |
| 22:27.31 | wmarone | heh |
| 22:27.33 | freemangordon | anyway, I almost finished REing the part with facebook_login function in it, lets hope it is the correct library |
| 22:36.01 | MohammadAG | Application page was also deleted for sociality, apparently you have to use timeline now |
| 22:36.07 | MohammadAG | So it's not the reason |
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| 22:36.20 | MohammadAG | If it still works for someone it should work for everyone |
| 22:37.16 | freemangordon | MohammadAG, it definitely does not work here whike works for Woody14619 |
| 22:37.20 | freemangordon | *while |
| 22:38.01 | Woody14619 | I have timeline, yet still can use it. |
| 22:38.05 | MohammadAG | freemangordon: Try extending the token |
| 22:38.13 | MohammadAG | I meant timeline for app pages |
| 22:38.56 | freemangordon | MohammadAG, you lost me |
| 22:38.59 | MohammadAG | They changed the comment system though, that's for sure |
| 22:39.10 | MohammadAG | freemangordon: Extend the access token used |
| 22:39.12 | Woody14619 | ahh... I was also noting a few other apps have the same "icon" as the one that does the uploading. They all don't support https browsing. So I'm trying to disable that now to see if I can see it with "normal" http... |
| 22:39.28 | MohammadAG | It should be saved in gconf |
| 22:39.47 | freemangordon | where am I supposed to do that? |
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| 22:40.05 | freemangordon | 765c02438771b10df50fe933bfaa7734? |
| 22:41.47 | Woody14619 | YIPES! Ok. So, Hermes, for example, has the same app icon. When I browse to it unsecured, it's showing me an iframe with what looks like a CGI input dump. |
| 22:41.48 | Venemo | hey |
| 22:41.52 | Venemo | this is awesome! :) |
| 22:42.04 | Venemo | my app got accepted to the device program in the Qt 5 category :) |
| 22:42.19 | Woody14619 | Wow! Congrats Venemo! |
| 22:42.36 | Venemo | thx Woody14619 :) |
| 22:43.04 | Venemo | do you guys think it would be rude to tell qgil that I'd like a white N9? |
| 22:43.23 | Woody14619 | LOL! K... I think I know who maintains this (or is supposed to) on FB. @INC=/home/jaffa/lib/perl-mine, /etc/perl,... |
| 22:43.52 | freemangordon | MohammadAG, there are two "cryptic" values in libfacebookcommon.so.0.0.0, both of them give "Invalid OAuth access token." where trying to check the permissions with https://graph.facebook.com/me/permissions?access_token=xxxxx |
| 22:44.04 | MohammadAG | Venemo: No, they're not made of diamonds |
| 22:44.29 | Venemo | MohammadAG: they're not made of diamonds, but I'm bored about every gadget being black |
| 22:45.45 | Venemo | so if possible, I'd like the N9 in white. if this is absolutely not possible, I'd like the blue one. if that's not possible either, I'd take the black one. under no circumstances would I want a pink one. I don't have a problem with that color, but most of my acquintances would laugh at me. |
| 22:46.26 | jacekowski | if i could get one for free i would even take the pink one |
| 22:46.41 | MohammadAG | I wouldn't |
| 22:46.46 | jacekowski | to be honest, i would take pink one just for laughs |
| 22:46.47 | MohammadAG | I hate magneta/pink |
| 22:47.40 | MohammadAG | Cyan is a colour I wouldn't have bought on my own |
| 22:47.50 | MohammadAG | But the lumia I got is cyan and I love it |
| 22:49.05 | Venemo | yeah |
| 22:49.22 | Venemo | well, I respect everyone's opinion |
| 22:49.27 | Venemo | but my favourite N9 is the white N9 |
| 22:56.51 | Venemo | MohammadAG: so, would it be okay if I told this to Quim? |
| 22:58.05 | MohammadAG | He won't bite your head off if you ask ;) |
| 23:00.06 | Venemo | how should I ask? in mail, or in a PM on TMO, or in a comment under my application in the wiki? |
| 23:03.45 | MohammadAG | Mail if you got accepted |
| 23:07.07 | MohammadAG | Gotta hit the sack, night |
| 23:08.22 | Venemo | night :) |
| 23:08.28 | Venemo | I'll go too. bye! |
| 23:15.17 | Woody14619 | I'm off to home as well... Good luck w/ the FB stuff freemangordon. |
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| 23:17.59 | Estel_ | gratz Venemo! |
| 23:18.09 | Estel_ | BTW, isn't ehite too applei'ish?;) |
| 23:18.15 | Estel_ | s/ehite/white/ |
| 23:18.31 | Estel_ | BTW, given device for free, I would accept event pink & glitter one |
| 23:18.58 | Estel_ | hopefully, they haven't made any pink N950's ;) |
| 23:21.14 | SpeedEvil | Estel_: with fluttershy on the back? |
| 23:21.34 | Estel_ | with butterflies |
| 23:22.10 | Estel_ | Would create theme related to "Under the Pink" album |
| 23:22.15 | Venemo | Estel_: :) |
| 23:22.29 | Estel_ | and would proudly use it as Tori Amos related stuff ;) |
| 23:22.51 | Estel_ | not that tori have much common with pink, hoever |
| 23:23.19 | Venemo | Estel_: what, you haven't seen the pink N950? |
| 23:23.35 | Estel_ | Yea, i also haven't seen white mouses lately, or silver unicorns |
| 23:23.44 | Estel_ | although, someone have in signature "4x N950 silver" |
| 23:23.48 | Estel_ | whatever it means |
| 23:24.17 | Estel_ | but, black is the color of the rainbow |
| 23:24.19 | Venemo | well, there were some prototype silver N950s. their existence is denied publicly, but everyone knows they exist. |
| 23:24.24 | Estel_ | yep. |
| 23:24.32 | Estel_ | But should I belive that some random noob got 4 of them? |
| 23:24.34 | Venemo | such as the infamous "N9" leak from late 2010. |
| 23:24.42 | Estel_ | unless he bought some chinese fake ones, I doubt it |
| 23:24.50 | Venemo | I don't care about random noobs |
| 23:25.04 | Estel_ | BTw, he submitted to CA |
| 23:25.09 | Venemo | maybe he just wishes to have thise |
| 23:25.11 | Hurrian | Venemo, didn't someone post about having a silver proto non-CE in the CA? |
| 23:25.22 | Estel_ | hbe isn't on any list with people who hjave received N950, so can't deny ;) |
| 23:25.23 | Venemo | Hurrian: I dunno |
| 23:25.36 | Estel_ | Hurrian, it was that one I think |
| 23:26.19 | Estel_ | Hurrian, do You remember command to check hw revision? |
| 23:26.32 | Hurrian | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 23:26.38 | Estel_ | thanks |
| 23:26.52 | Estel_ | ough |
| 23:27.02 | Estel_ | one of 5 N900's lying behind me on desk is 2204 revision |
| 23:27.45 | Venemo | you have 5 N900s? |
| 23:27.47 | Hurrian | Estel_, most of the differences between revisions seems to be on the outside |
| 23:27.54 | Estel_ | I know |
| 23:27.57 | Hurrian | Venemo, you're not stocking up on N900s? |
| 23:28.02 | Estel_ | Venemo, only temporaly ;P |
| 23:28.10 | Venemo | Hurrian: no, why? |
| 23:28.21 | Estel_ | Hurrian, although, some claim that PU is "better" on 2204 |
| 23:28.33 | Venemo | what could I do with an N900 anyway? |
| 23:28.42 | Estel_ | i.e. lower profiles while overcxlocking etc. Personally, I don't belive it ;) |
| 23:28.55 | Estel_ | Venemo, everything? |
| 23:29.04 | Estel_ | Hurrian, btw, what are those outside differencies? |
| 23:29.19 | SpeedEvil | it's quite plausible that some devices have a newer version of chips. |
| 23:29.22 | Venemo | Estel_: I use the N950 for everything :) |
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| 23:30.01 | Estel_ | Venemo, honestly, currently, N900 is doing circles around N950 and N9 together, in terms of usability |
| 23:30.07 | Estel_ | and it seems it won't change in following months |
| 23:30.19 | Estel_ | sure, N950 got impressive hardware (RAM, RAM) but... |
| 23:30.34 | Estel_ | Nemo is kinda dissapointing for now - whole concept seems to be dumbed down itnerface... |
| 23:30.35 | Venemo | Estel_: srsly? in what sense? |
| 23:30.40 | Hurrian | Estel_, iirc it's got something to do with how slippery the keyboard is |
| 23:30.43 | Estel_ | packages are low due to change into rmp with Mer |
| 23:30.46 | GeneralAntilles | Define "usability" |
| 23:31.04 | Estel_ | ammount of things You can achieve with it, especially re simulating desktop computer ;) |
| 23:31.08 | Venemo | Estel_: I used to use my old N900 for a while when the N950 broke. the N900 felt sluggish. |
| 23:31.19 | Estel_ | Venemo, a matter of proper settings re swap etc |
| 23:31.27 | SpeedEvil | i'm using my n900 more than my n950 |
| 23:31.29 | Estel_ | N950 is great hardware, really |
| 23:31.32 | Estel_ | but |
| 23:32.04 | Venemo | that being said, I used to use the N900 as a complete laptop replacement for weeks in 2009 and 2010. I just loved that thing :) |
| 23:32.05 | Estel_ | sad to say that, Fremantle beats up Harmattan a lot, and Mer is still on much development state |
| 23:32.23 | Venemo | Fremantle beats Harmattan in which sense? |
| 23:33.00 | Estel_ | architexture - don't tell me you like frankenstein harmattan is (partly meego, partly maemo, partly whatsnot), UI (Harm one is much more closed) |
| 23:33.11 | Estel_ | + user side, i.e. available applications, etc |
| 23:33.31 | Estel_ | honestly, if I ever get N950/N9, first thing to get there will be Mer and probably, Nemo, despite flaws |
| 23:33.40 | Venemo | it has a lot more fluent UI. |
| 23:33.50 | Estel_ | and that is because I don't belive in Cordia sucess, despite milestones being achieved |
| 23:33.52 | Hurrian | Estel_, why not Cordia? |
| 23:33.57 | Venemo | architecture is mostly the same, except for Aegis of course |
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| 23:34.07 | Estel_ | would love to, but IMO Smoku isn't a kind of person who is interested in having more than 2 developers at all |
| 23:34.17 | Estel_ | Hurrian, I read Your mind ;) |
| 23:34.22 | Estel_ | well, I would love to be wrong... |
| 23:34.41 | Estel_ | but Cordia seems to be very niche project, with only 2 people working on it, and 0 interest in pulling mroe devs to it... |
| 23:34.52 | Venemo | wat, smoku has 2 developers on Cordia? since when? |
| 23:34.55 | Estel_ | I'm afraid current milestone may be last, it will drown due to lack of working hands |
| 23:34.56 | Hurrian | Estel_, yeah, kinda noticed the lack of interest on it |
| 23:35.07 | Estel_ | Venemo, he + another guy is working on it AFAIK |
| 23:35.21 | Estel_ | Hurrian, honestly, interest around Cordia was great, but smoku is just anti-social guy |
| 23:35.26 | Hurrian | ah |
| 23:35.27 | Venemo | lol |
| 23:35.29 | Venemo | well |
| 23:35.38 | Venemo | I used to have an interest in Cordia before the Harmattan times |
| 23:35.40 | Estel_ | and did *everything* to make it non-friendly for others to join |
| 23:35.44 | Estel_ | (my personal opinion) |
| 23:35.59 | Venemo | in any case, I'm convinced that Cordia is not the way forward. |
| 23:36.08 | Estel_ | I would *love* to have hildonish UI on Mer, as Nemo irritates the hell outa me... |
| 23:36.17 | Estel_ | but don't belive it will be ever ready for everyday usage |
| 23:36.28 | Estel_ | Of course I may be wrong |
| 23:36.39 | Estel_ | maybe he is anti-social and such genius, that he will achieve everything alone |
| 23:36.49 | Estel_ | although, smoku is kinda well known for abandoning half-baked projects |
| 23:37.07 | Estel_ | almost every package that he maintain is on "update promise" for a year or 1,5 |
| 23:37.25 | SpeedEvil | wishes he had a few million to drop on a sane phone platform. |
| 23:37.33 | Estel_ | disclaimer" all above is my personal view, not Council's one :P |
| 23:37.35 | Hurrian | Estel_, which means if the fremantle community wants F-HD to be completed, more people need to be working on it |
| 23:37.38 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, same here |
| 23:37.54 | Estel_ | Hurrian, yea, but some design decisions about Cordia irrtate people very much |
| 23:38.00 | Estel_ | have You been following Cordia mailing list? |
| 23:38.12 | Hurrian | Estel_, not really |
| 23:38.38 | Hurrian | also, what design decisions? The marina theme? Anything else should stick by Fremantle stuff |
| 23:38.41 | Estel_ | well, basically, this guy is jsut pivoting everything into way he imagine it and don't care much about other people view at all |
| 23:38.52 | Estel_ | i'm not talking about irrelevant things like theme |
| 23:39.09 | SpeedEvil | Also - what's cordia. |
| 23:39.14 | SpeedEvil | hasn't been tracking. |
| 23:39.23 | Estel_ | 0 interest for documenting project in a way that other can join development in-middle |
| 23:39.32 | Hurrian | SpeedEvil, Fremantle-Hildon-Desktop for MeeGo/Mer |
| 23:39.34 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, Cordia is UX for Mer |
| 23:39.37 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 23:39.43 | Estel_ | re-creation of HD for Mer |
| 23:39.52 | Estel_ | of course not re-suing closed blobs |
| 23:39.53 | SpeedEvil | i see. |
| 23:40.10 | Hurrian | Estel_, not really re-creation, more like "porting and using newer stuff" |
| 23:40.14 | Venemo | in my opinion, the right way forward would be a QML-based UX on top of Mer. |
| 23:40.37 | Estel_ | Hurrian, agree, but porting only open parts |
| 23:40.48 | Estel_ | and re-creating closed ones |
| 23:40.55 | Hurrian | also, I noticed, the hildon-desktop in the Maemo 5 SDK has most of the closed components stripped out |
| 23:40.58 | Estel_ | would be sane ides, *if* done properly |
| 23:41.13 | Estel_ | although, it's a shit house re motivation and gaining interest, and gaining developers and... |
| 23:41.23 | Estel_ | well, Gnome is shithouse re motivating others, yet it's alive, so... :P |
| 23:41.30 | Estel_ | ...I may be wrong in all above. who knows |
| 23:41.37 | Estel_ | although, I wouldn't buy Cordia stocks now. |
| 23:42.24 | Estel_ | I still can't get why Mer decided to not use .deb |
| 23:42.32 | Estel_ | I understand "superiority" arguments... |
| 23:42.35 | Hurrian | Venemo, yeah, since many closed programs for Fremantly are being rewritten in QML |
| 23:42.57 | Hurrian | Estel_, maybe they wanted to comply with the LSB or MeeGo? |
| 23:42.59 | Estel_ | but it will slow porting Fremantle userland programs by a order of magnitude or two |
| 23:43.06 | Estel_ | they we're not obliged to. |
| 23:43.12 | Hurrian | ^^ |
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| 23:43.50 | Venemo | well, Qt is definitely the way forward, and QML is definitely the way forward, regarding UI |
| 23:44.14 | Venemo | in any case |
| 23:44.17 | Estel_ | I'm not sure about QT being ultimate way forward, but, it isn't problematic either |
| 23:44.18 | Venemo | I'll be sleeping |
| 23:44.22 | Venemo | good night :) |
| 23:44.23 | Estel_ | see ya! |
| 23:44.32 | SpeedEvil | http://www2.b3ta.com/spot-the-giference/ - completely off-topic. |
| 23:44.35 | SpeedEvil | kitty encoding. |
| 23:44.42 | Venemo | Estel_: one more thing: it's not called "QT". It's called "Qt". |
| 23:45.16 | Estel_ | Venemo, sure thing. |
| 23:45.22 | Estel_ | Although i hope they're not religious about it? |
| 23:45.33 | Estel_ | cause i'm going to call it qt many times soon, when i don't have shift close by. |
| 23:47.06 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, 8/16 |
| 23:47.32 | SpeedEvil | i got about 10/10 - then i got 6 wrong in a row |
| 23:47.38 | Estel_ | heh |
| 23:47.47 | SpeedEvil | Some are easy - it's hard to tell with the blurry ones |
| 23:47.52 | Estel_ | Hurrian, 2 of 3 new N900's are 2204 |
| 23:48.04 | Estel_ | again, what are the "external differencies" You were talking about? |
| 23:48.16 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, yeah. And sepia/black n white ones too |
| 23:48.21 | Estel_ | but some were sneaky |
| 23:48.41 | SpeedEvil | You could probably get most if you zoom |
| 23:48.43 | Hurrian | Estel_, how new? |
| 23:49.02 | Estel_ | new aka arrived today |
| 23:49.02 | Estel_ | all used |
| 23:49.05 | Hurrian | 2101 is still by far the most widespread revision |
| 23:49.09 | Estel_ | yep |
| 23:49.17 | Estel_ | my main N900 is 2101 and I'm very satisfied |
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| 23:52.17 | Hurrian | Estel_, external differences are the slippery-ness of the keyboard |
| 23:52.29 | Hurrian | a friend has a 2204, and the keys are significantly shinier |
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| 23:55.32 | Estel_ | Hurrian, erm, can't notice that on N900's I'm having here, despite different revisions |
| 23:55.50 | Estel_ | it seems that shinier keys = more "sandpappered" by fingers |
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