| 00:00.35 | Estel_ | I also remember reading somewhere, about old Nokia plans to release wimax devices and national-wide coverage of wimax, but - IIRC - it was busted by some legal trials? |
| 00:00.56 | Estel_ | ]take this as grain of salt, I could be just reading someone's FUD bullshit |
| 00:01.17 | Estel_ | well, if it's true, then at least *once* Nokia had some concept. |
| 00:03.45 | cehteh | Estel_: http://paste.debian.net/171655/ ..untested :) |
| 00:03.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | wimax = 802.16 |
| 00:04.31 | Estel_ | thanks x2 |
| 00:05.01 | Estel_ | well, some idiot is sellinmg N900 with "minimal" defect - it doesn't read SIM card. He want 3/4 of working one price |
| 00:05.21 | Estel_ | I've asked him if he want to buy refrigerator from me - it got minimal defect, it doesn't cool things down |
| 00:06.00 | Estel_ | cehteh, nice, but this kind of automation is a no-go |
| 00:06.14 | Estel_ | it could kick in during heavy load b- and probablyt, would do 99% of times |
| 00:06.25 | cehteh | yeah i made this for me .. as fast hack now |
| 00:06.31 | Estel_ | = freeze/kill of applications (lost work, etc) or even freezed/rebooted device |
| 00:06.36 | Estel_ | with high chance for filesystem corruption |
| 00:06.39 | cehteh | prolly can add checks for load and AC power later on |
| 00:06.41 | Estel_ | nods |
| 00:06.54 | Estel_ | I think such automation isn't good way to go. i rather though about notifications |
| 00:07.02 | Estel_ | for example, 3 x notifiying it |
| 00:07.08 | Estel_ | first time when hit swap fragmentation |
| 00:07.17 | Estel_ | 2nd time after few minutes |
| 00:07.21 | Estel_ | and 3th time after 30 mins |
| 00:07.35 | Estel_ | but left triggering actual reswpa for user |
| 00:07.39 | Estel_ | could put it into power menu |
| 00:07.40 | cehteh | i'd like this automated .. as long it doesnt disrupt me |
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| 00:07.51 | Estel_ | honestly, I'm afraid You can regret that :P |
| 00:07.55 | cehteh | yes add it to the 'optimize n900 ' scripts |
| 00:08.13 | Estel_ | checks for loads etc are very hard to do properly, I mean that they got tendency to still kick in in bad moment |
| 00:08.21 | cehteh | anyway, just take the code and use whatever you like from it |
| 00:08.27 | Estel_ | thanks a lot :) |
| 00:08.44 | cehteh | has the n900 ionice? i didnt checked |
| 00:09.17 | cehteh | also before reswapping it would be a sanity check to test if there at least 2 swaps |
| 00:09.30 | Estel_ | :P |
| 00:09.41 | Estel_ | sounds like good idea |
| 00:09.53 | Estel_ | I've checked it while updating rcS late via script, but... |
| 00:10.00 | Estel_ | sanity check during actual reswap sounds better |
| 00:10.23 | cehteh | yes that doesnt cost much |
| 00:11.11 | cehteh | well i test the script as is on my device now :) .. what could happen *eg* :) |
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| 00:27.11 | cehteh | ok small bug .. you need to update OLD after the reswap loop |
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| 00:48.47 | Estel_ | cehteh, noticed that |
| 00:48.49 | Estel_ | but thanks anyway |
| 00:49.28 | Estel_ | gosh, i still can't remove this screw from N900's screen |
| 00:49.34 | Estel_ | totally screwed screw, unscrfewable |
| 00:49.43 | Estel_ | and i don't have left-turning drill with me :/ |
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| 01:17.37 | Estel_ | Jaffa, is there any other way than twitter, for sending things to Maemo weekly News? |
| 01:17.59 | Estel_ | ...for those old fashioned people here, that don't use twitter, facebook, klout and simiular stuff? |
| 01:18.32 | Estel_ | I would love to participate, as I've been always quite aware of thing going on in the community, which seems to only increase after nomination for Councilor... |
| 01:18.41 | Estel_ | although, the twitter way always bounced me off |
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| 01:35.03 | ShadowJK | LiFePo4 is 3.3V nominal |
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| 01:35.52 | ShadowJK | LiFe is short for LiFePo4 :P or maybe it was LiFePO4 |
| 01:38.08 | ShadowJK | yeah, PO4 as in phosphate |
| 01:40.02 | Estel_ | BTW, have anything move in nanowires section? |
| 01:40.35 | Estel_ | it seems researched have stalled a little? Probably founds and lack of will from major company's, as they've already ready lines for older batterie's types? |
| 01:41.50 | ShadowJK | well also it'll be patent protected for ages, so nobody will be able to make it |
| 01:42.31 | cehteh | there are turingy nanotechs .. but well no one knows exactly what they put into their soup |
| 01:42.35 | ShadowJK | My guess would be that it suffers from horrible cycle life |
| 01:44.12 | ShadowJK | Making things smaller - nano* - increases surface area and should boost energy density, but the typical Lithium cobalt stuff is unstable and eats itself away, so making it smaller means it eats itself faster. Much of the research done by samsung, panasonic, lg and all is specifically focused on boosting stability |
| 01:46.24 | ShadowJK | while some people consider the Lithium cobalt based stuff more or less a lost cause, sticking with the Lithium iron chemistry |
| 01:47.41 | cehteh | LiFe is heavier :P less energy per gramm |
| 01:47.56 | cehteh | bad for RC-Helis :) |
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| 01:58.52 | robbiethe1st | We just need something better... like hydrocarbon storage! |
| 02:13.08 | Estel_ | or cold fusion ;) Readers of TMO's battery thread will know the pun. |
| 02:13.47 | Estel_ | (someone there - maybe even dr_frost_dk - got interesting battery, than during heavy charging/discharging, as he claimed, tended to feel *colder* than ambient) |
| 02:14.34 | Estel_ | (won't belive without seeing hard proofs :P ) |
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| 03:17.33 | ShadowJK | RC-Helis are mostly interested in power/gram :) |
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| 03:18.04 | ShadowJK | and they don't mind the low cycle life of LiPo :P |
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| 03:27.48 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, I tried to murder myself with a LiPo the other day. |
| 03:27.48 | GeneralAntilles | Future note to people who like their thighs: Don't put LiPos with Micro Deans in the same pocket with your car keys. |
| 03:27.48 | GeneralAntilles | It's a Bad Combination. |
| 03:29.25 | ShadowJK | yes :) |
| 03:30.05 | Hurrian | GeneralAntilles, shorted and caught fire? |
| 03:30.12 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah. . . . |
| 03:30.34 | GeneralAntilles | Was digging around in the passenger seat when I thought "Man, this sun is much hotter than I remember. My leg is burning up." |
| 03:30.46 | GeneralAntilles | Then I realized what it was and furiously started throwing things out of my pocket. |
| 03:30.58 | GeneralAntilles | Thankfully the shorted battery was the first out. |
| 03:31.08 | GeneralAntilles | Started spewing boiling electrolyte across the grass. |
| 03:34.39 | Hurrian | :o |
| 03:35.03 | GeneralAntilles | Should've taken a picture of the burnt crisp the battery ended up as |
| 03:35.06 | GeneralAntilles | was too rattled by it at the time, though. |
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| 07:55.45 | juozapas | can u recommend some program for gps tracking in offline mode ? with google maps or osm |
| 08:00.50 | StyXman | juozapas: marble |
| 08:01.10 | StyXman | you can use offline osm tiles |
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| 08:03.17 | Jaffa | Estel_: Contributors send information via Twitter; but anyone can highlight a link to a contributor or editor (e.g. timsamoff, GeneralAntilles1, fiferboy, me, ...) |
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| 08:08.16 | vi_ | juozapas: do you want tracking or mapping? |
| 08:08.49 | freemangordon | Estel_, the new requirement for CA does not make sense, most of the candidates have their TMO accont linked to their maemo.org account ;) |
| 08:08.56 | freemangordon | if not all |
| 08:09.01 | juozapas | vi_: tracking, routing |
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| 08:11.03 | StyXman | juozapas: well, routing in marble is abit flaky |
| 08:11.38 | StyXman | I mostly use it as a 'follow me' digital map |
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| 08:12.25 | juozapas | StyXman: do you know something better ? |
| 08:13.31 | juozapas | actually routing is the most important for me |
| 08:13.33 | juozapas | in offline mode |
| 08:14.44 | StyXman | juozapas: I hadn't tried others |
| 08:15.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | afaik only marble |
| 08:15.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | comes with monav |
| 08:16.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | I dunno how it's flaky |
| 08:17.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | proper setup maybe is a bit problematic |
| 08:17.31 | StyXman | DocScrutinizer51: sometimes it doesn't find a route, specially between countries |
| 08:17.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | err, yeah |
| 08:18.08 | StyXman | even when I downloaded both countries' data |
| 08:18.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | international routing is immanently more complex than national |
| 08:18.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | monav is using database of routes AFAIK |
| 08:19.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | obviously that database has borders |
| 08:19.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | workaround: set a route to point where you plan to cross border |
| 08:19.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | then route on from there |
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| 08:21.07 | Jaffa | freemangordon: That was the point I was trying to make in my email |
| 08:21.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | moo Jaffa |
| 08:22.30 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer51: baa |
| 08:22.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-) |
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| 08:23.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | ponders a auto-replace for outbound posts moo->good morning |
| 08:23.42 | chem|st | o/ |
| 08:24.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | first faintly useful usecase I come up with, for this irc client feature |
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| 08:24.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | good morning chem|st |
| 08:24.28 | chem|st | morning |
| 08:24.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh no, not really. I also got this since ages: |
| 08:24.41 | chem|st | if it is good will depend... |
| 08:24.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooops |
| 08:24.54 | DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 ☕ |
| 08:24.58 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: my sister got an n900 finally |
| 08:25.36 | chem|st | will be some work tonight... she found some remains^^ installed ssh some other shit and KP... |
| 08:25.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | how did you manage that? |
| 08:26.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | eeeeek KP, sounds like an OCer's device |
| 08:26.25 | chem|st | I got her from windows to linux as she is interessted, she went slackware and I said "have fun" ;) |
| 08:27.02 | chem|st | now I got her with debian testing and 2 weeks ago she had a hands-on with my n900 and went crazy |
| 08:27.17 | chem|st | no she installed KP |
| 08:27.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | aaah |
| 08:27.59 | chem|st | first thing we did yesterday was "uninstalling KP" |
| 08:28.25 | chem|st | some things are still set even after factory reset and osso-notes wont start |
| 08:28.53 | chem|st | so I said for a clean start she should flash the thing for good |
| 08:28.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | faqctory reset is quite questionable |
| 08:29.24 | chem|st | it is, tried it once as I made a mess, but settings I messed up did not get set back |
| 08:29.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, sure |
| 08:29.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | some are not stored in $HOME |
| 08:30.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | basically fucktory-reset can only reset the things they took into account when creating the script |
| 08:30.46 | chem|st | well getting a used device means flashing first |
| 08:30.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | yup |
| 08:30.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | obviously |
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| 08:43.48 | freemangordon | Jaffa, yes, I know |
| 08:44.59 | teotwaki | Jaffa & freemangordon: Less and less of the CA rules are making sense. |
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| 08:46.57 | teotwaki | Basically, this is looking almost as bad the best satire from The Club of the Merry and the Resourceful. |
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| 08:49.55 | klea | hi... i got a used n900 and discovered that has a very low wifi reception. 2m from the access point and get 15% signal quality. any ideas? |
| 08:50.31 | klea | ... link quality |
| 08:51.15 | chem|st | klea: what router brand and which nettype? |
| 08:52.03 | chem|st | don't know if it still applies but some router's powersaving setups make that even worse |
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| 08:54.35 | klea | i tried it with 2 different routers that otherwise work fine. i also cant even detect many wireless nets that other devices find. i m quite sure its a n900 problem and i m afraid its a hardware one |
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| 08:56.16 | klea | both g networks. siemens and thomson routers. |
| 08:56.46 | Hurrian | tried it with any other devices? |
| 08:57.46 | klea | it cant even see the nets that other devices easily find and connect to. |
| 08:58.32 | klea | could it be an antenna problem? |
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| 08:59.56 | Hurrian | yeah, the antenna could be dislodged or something |
| 09:00.05 | Hurrian | did you drop it pretty hard? |
| 09:00.13 | Hurrian | the antenna assembly is screwed on |
| 09:01.29 | klea | i got it used so imagine... |
| 09:03.00 | klea | is there something i could try? i cant find anybody in the forums with a similar problem.... |
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| 09:08.29 | MrPingu | Morning |
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| 09:16.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | klea: make sure you are using a free channel not interfering with neighbour's AP |
| 09:16.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | klea: signal *quality* - think about it! Use wifi eye |
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| 09:19.35 | MrPingu | I am lucky here, neighbour left uses channel 1 on the other side they use channel 11 :) |
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| 09:21.29 | chem|st | Estel_: most people applying for "community awards" show as bare "I have never seen" and "they ported/patch stuff" thought the idea of community awards was to honor people not getting devices cause they do not code much but are contributing to the community in other important ways?! |
| 09:23.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | the whole CA idea is very bewildering |
| 09:24.14 | chem|st | klea: how about cleaning the wifi antenna connectors? they are spring-connectors |
| 09:24.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | based on the initial statement I should apply for a N9 ;-P |
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| 09:24.41 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: sure! |
| 09:25.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, it would allow me to rape one, and destroy it to make highres scans of interior |
| 09:25.17 | teotwaki | Looking at how many people have applied, and for what stupid reasons, DocScrutinizer, we probably ought to. |
| 09:25.23 | chem|st | but only non-developers or dvelopers without device yet AND contributing to the community in another way than bare coding should get devices |
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| 09:25.33 | teotwaki | DocScrutinizer: but then again, I wouldn't want to be put in the same bag as those tossers. |
| 09:25.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | indeed |
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| 09:26.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: AIUI CA is a gift, while my devices are all loaners (except those I payed for, and the hooker800 gift) |
| 09:27.15 | chem|st | AIUI? |
| 09:27.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~wtf aiui |
| 09:27.51 | chem|st | well they should just make those loaners become gifts then too |
| 09:28.06 | chem|st | those 100devices are all gifts... |
| 09:28.15 | chem|st | yes |
| 09:29.50 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer, you didn't get the N950 for devs from Nokia? |
| 09:30.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure I did |
| 09:30.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | CA announcement explicitly states those who got a N950 can apply for N9 |
| 09:30.46 | chem|st | yes I know |
| 09:30.53 | Hurrian | nah, I meant the "loaner" part |
| 09:31.21 | Hurrian | didn't they give them away (of course, you can't sell them) |
| 09:31.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | Hurrian: all N950 are loaners so far |
| 09:31.30 | Hurrian | ah |
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| 09:32.04 | Hurrian | "not-for-resale, property of nokia" stamped on it? |
| 09:32.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | I mustn't even lose it, otherwise pay at least 500EUR penalty |
| 09:32.34 | fastlane` | if you lost it you will have to pay :o |
| 09:32.37 | fastlane` | thats bad |
| 09:32.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's the deal with NDA loaner prototypes |
| 09:33.03 | Hurrian | :o |
| 09:33.30 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer, do you have the silver one or the black one? |
| 09:33.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | some funny superjerks even suggested the NDA itself was under NDA |
| 09:33.36 | fastlane` | so it means if i had it, i wud never take it out of the house, since my neighbourhood has this cell phone snatching stuff going on a lot |
| 09:33.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | ;-P |
| 09:34.24 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer51, I could see that getting a "Yo dawg" joke |
| 09:34.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | hehe |
| 09:35.07 | Hurrian | was it a silver or black one? |
| 09:35.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | the n950? black |
| 09:35.22 | Hurrian | ah |
| 09:35.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | didn't know there were any silver ones |
| 09:35.47 | Hurrian | some people apparently have silver ones, similar to the "N9" leaks and the Jessie's girl ad |
| 09:36.35 | Hurrian | wonder if nokia's going to ever bother to ask for all of them and chuck them into the disintegrator |
| 09:36.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | prolly not |
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| 09:36.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | too expensive ;-P |
| 09:37.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | they may instruct any n950 owner to send device on to next devel though |
| 09:37.37 | Hurrian | ah |
| 09:37.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | iirc |
| 09:38.10 | Hurrian | they are pretty similar on the inside though, right? |
| 09:38.21 | Hurrian | (to the N9) |
| 09:38.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | rather |
| 09:39.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | otherwise their purpose of being a developer device for HARM would be defeated |
| 09:39.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | there shipped a diff list with some firmware version for n950 HARM |
| 09:40.01 | Hurrian | ah |
| 09:40.02 | vi_ | ~iirc |
| 09:40.02 | infobot | [iirc] "if I recall correctly" |
| 09:50.16 | klea | DocScrutinizer51 im next to the router and iwconfig gives me Power Management:on |
| 09:50.17 | klea | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | looks all ok'ish to me |
| 09:51.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | just like interference |
| 09:51.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | signal level anyway is not that bad with -69dBm |
| 09:51.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | so no broken antenna |
| 09:52.03 | klea | chemist. thats a good idea. though i have never opened a n900 yet :) |
| 09:52.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | don't do it |
| 09:52.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | there are no user serviceable parts inside |
| 09:52.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | esp in your case |
| 09:54.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | klea: by any means test with another AP |
| 09:54.17 | teotwaki | or simply a laptop running as an AP |
| 09:54.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | set PSM to min on N900 |
| 09:54.22 | teotwaki | to see if you're getting any kind of traffic |
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| 09:55.07 | teotwaki | or PSM off completely, for the test, though I haven't heard of anyone who couldn't _connect_ due to PSM, only people who couldn't _remain_ connected. |
| 09:55.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep, though min=off |
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| 09:57.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | WTF my t900 doesn't know about chan13 :-S |
| 09:58.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | switched AP to chan13, IroN900 not even lost connection, T900 doesn't see AP anymore |
| 09:58.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | idly wonders what region setting T900 came with |
| 10:00.44 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer51: you need to change region to Japan |
| 10:00.52 | vi_ | iw reg set JP |
| 10:01.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | N9:connected, N950:connected, N810:connected ;-P, just T900:doesn't_see_AP |
| 10:02.10 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer51: my one is _slow_ to see channel 13. It rarely shows up on the first scan |
| 10:02.14 | vi_ | NFC why. |
| 10:03.45 | vi_ | However if I send the dbus ICD 'connect' commanbd it finds it strait way mostly. |
| 10:05.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmmm |
| 10:05.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | the PITA: now I can't ssh in to T900, to do *anything* :-P |
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| 10:06.38 | chem|st | teotwaki: yeah loosing connections or crappy rates |
| 10:07.31 | chem|st | I don't mind having 8Mbit at home and keep it on, with the vanilla firmware it has been reported to loose connection ddwrt did it for me |
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| 10:07.36 | teotwaki | losing |
| 10:07.46 | teotwaki | The antenna might be loose though :) |
| 10:08.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | no way |
| 10:08.35 | chem|st | not into english yet, seems to be a coffee issue^^ |
| 10:08.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | -69dBm looks not like poor signal strength caused by broken antenna |
| 10:08.54 | teotwaki | holy crap |
| 10:08.58 | teotwaki | $4rah{#}c*n'%+-/=?^@gmail.com is a valid email address. |
| 10:09.20 | chem|st | sarah who? |
| 10:09.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | ?? |
| 10:09.44 | Hurrian | teotwaki, according to which parser? |
| 10:09.49 | teotwaki | yet, $4rah{#}c*n'%+-/=?^.@gmail.com is not valid. |
| 10:09.55 | teotwaki | Hurrian: according to the RFC. |
| 10:09.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | I thought I don't have any /ignores on this client yet |
| 10:10.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | errrr? |
| 10:10.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | ending with dot not allowed? |
| 10:10.46 | teotwaki | nope |
| 10:10.53 | teotwaki | neither is foo..bar@gmail.com |
| 10:10.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | o.O |
| 10:10.57 | teotwaki | or .foobar@ |
| 10:11.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | mhm |
| 10:11.06 | teotwaki | but f.o.o.b.a.r@ is allowed |
| 10:11.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | ohwell, uppercase not allowed as well |
| 10:11.31 | teotwaki | actually, it is. |
| 10:11.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope, not afaik |
| 10:11.52 | teotwaki | Uppercase and lowercase English letters (az, AZ) (ASCII: 65-90, 97-122) |
| 10:12.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | this must have changed since I last checked |
| 10:13.01 | teotwaki | this is also a valid email address: "()<>[]:,;@\\\"!#$%&'*+-/=?^_`{}|\ \ ~\ \ \ ?\ \ \ ^_`{}|~.a"@example.org or "very.(),:;<>[]\".VERY.\"very@\\\ \"very\".unusual"@strange.example.com |
| 10:14.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | what's all that escaping? |
| 10:14.43 | chem|st | teotwaki: as you just read stuff for gmail, is it possible to make an autoresponse like "address not available" for a single sender? |
| 10:15.40 | teotwaki | no idea |
| 10:16.31 | teotwaki | actually |
| 10:16.37 | teotwaki | You probably can with cannedreps |
| 10:16.47 | teotwaki | chem|st: do you know "Canned Responses"? |
| 10:17.06 | teotwaki | chem|st: gmail plugin, which enables you to write templates for specific replies, you can activate it with filters. |
| 10:17.26 | teotwaki | chem|st: http://maketecheasier.com/auto-reply-email-messages-using-gmail-canned-responses/2010/06/20 |
| 10:23.04 | chem|st | ty just found it myself |
| 10:23.39 | Pali | freemangordon, seems that battery temperature is on madc channel 0 (not 1), see file Nokia_N900_RX-51_Schematics.pdf on internet |
| 10:23.59 | Pali | I will write all info to one place/textfile/mail |
| 10:35.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | make what cheesier ? |
| 10:35.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | ;-D |
| 10:38.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: might be a pragma origin issue |
| 10:38.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | ADCIN1 might be on channel 0 |
| 10:39.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | or ADCIN0 might be on first channel = 1 |
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| 10:39.52 | Pali | DocScrutinizer51, I mean ADCIN0 istead ADCIN1 |
| 10:39.58 | Pali | see http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/include/linux/i2c/twl4030-madc.h |
| 10:41.03 | Pali | in kernel is also ADCIN0 and ADCIN1 |
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| 10:41.21 | Pali | but BTEMP is in kernel defined to ADCIN1 |
| 10:41.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | 101 #define TWL4030_MADC_BTEMP TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN1 |
| 10:41.35 | Pali | but in that nokia pdf is BTEM ADCIN0 |
| 10:41.56 | Pali | see page 4 of Nokia_N900_RX-51_Schematics.pdf |
| 10:42.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | I know the schematics, I always referred to them when suggesting which ADC for bettemp |
| 10:42.28 | Pali | there is also comment "battery temperature sensor" |
| 10:42.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | bat temp* |
| 10:42.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 10:42.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | and iirc a 10kR NTC |
| 10:43.10 | Pali | but what is correct? kernel code or that pdf? |
| 10:43.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | you'll have to test it :-) |
| 10:43.23 | Pali | both of course not :D |
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| 10:44.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | is |
| 10:44.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | 83 #define TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN0 (1<<0) |
| 10:44.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | 84 #define TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN1 (1<<1) |
| 10:44.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | correct? |
| 10:44.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'd guess so |
| 10:44.40 | Pali | could be |
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| 10:45.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | DUH WHAT? we got VBUS on ADC? |
| 10:45.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | coool |
| 10:46.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: could you expose those ADC via sysfs in a "human readable form" in KP? |
| 10:47.06 | Pali | in 3.x kernel there is hwmon driver for that |
| 10:47.20 | Pali | I will look if it is compatible with KP and copy it |
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| 10:50.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: anyway you could check what pin H4 is named like and description in twl4030 UM |
| 10:50.46 | Pali | DocScrutinizer51, what do you will do with VBUS from ADC? |
| 10:51.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: do *decent* fastcharger detection |
| 10:51.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | increase charge current from USB while monitoring voltage |
| 10:51.29 | Pali | ADCIN4 is BSI |
| 10:51.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | (hwmon) \o/ many thanks |
| 10:52.25 | Pali | ADCIN12 is battery level |
| 10:52.43 | Pali | (taken from armel binary bsi-read) |
| 10:52.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | ACIIN2 is about headset iirc |
| 10:53.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | confirm ADCIN4=BSI, from schem |
| 10:56.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | ADCIN2=mic_hs aka hold-button |
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| 10:58.01 | Pali | ADCIN2 is always 1023 on my N900 |
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| 10:58.38 | Pali | ADCIN2 is 4-6 when I connected my headset |
| 10:58.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | (fastcharge) step up charging current from USB until a sudden drop in voltage, then go back to charging current = 0 and step up til last 'good' step |
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| 10:59.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | (headset) with an original headset you should see pressing of headset button on ADCIN2 |
| 10:59.59 | Pali | ADCIN2 is 3 when I pressed headset button |
| 11:00.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, connecting headset doesn't mean your mic always got powered already |
| 11:01.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | test it while call established |
| 11:03.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | btw this is even the right path to implement driver for multibutton headset |
| 11:04.06 | trx | thats interesting |
| 11:04.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | we "just" need to sample values from ADCIN2 with > maybe 30ksamples/s |
| 11:04.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | the convert to serial decoding alias soft UART |
| 11:05.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | and switch output voltage to send |
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| 11:05.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's a one-wire bidir serial async transmission |
| 11:06.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | somebody did decent scope pictures, maybe it's been ShadowJK or jacekowski or dunno who |
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| 11:24.19 | anidel | hi |
| 11:26.40 | chem|st | anidel: hey |
| 11:26.55 | chem|st | long time no see |
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| 11:58.00 | anidel | hey chem|st, yup...sorry I was out for lunch |
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| 12:23.09 | chem|st | anidel: no worries, any future plans for xournal? like a google docs or even drive plugin? |
| 12:23.41 | anidel | I'm working on it to port it to Harmattan, it's a big rewrite and less time than before though :( |
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| 12:30.36 | cehteh | grmpf ... device doesnt boot anymore, not even bootmenu |
| 12:31.31 | Gh0sty | gives cehteh the hammer |
| 12:31.51 | cehteh | Estel_: you are sure your freswap deinstalls cleanly? .. i didnt tried much else past time |
| 12:32.51 | chem|st | cehteh: charging? |
| 12:33.05 | chem|st | sry, does it charge when off? |
| 12:33.30 | cehteh | thats the old bug .. it doesnt boot connected or unconncected |
| 12:33.42 | cehteh | screen stays black and blank but lit |
| 12:33.57 | cehteh | kernel seems to come up but userland hangs very early |
| 12:34.42 | chem|st | eik |
| 12:34.51 | chem|st | sounds like flashing to me |
| 12:35.01 | cehteh | backupmenu barfs with /usr/sbin/evkey not found |
| 12:39.35 | chem|st | anidel: yeah read about that, a rewrite 'again' didn't you already rewrite a lot of your code back on porting to fremantle? |
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| 12:55.38 | cehteh | is RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin the latest? (dont want to peel my battery out to send my imei to nokia) |
| 12:57.59 | Hurrian | yeah |
| 12:58.38 | cehteh | thanks |
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| 13:13.46 | anidel | chem|st yep, but that was the UI, not it's more complicated. For Qt would be better to have a C++ version of Xournal. Luckily there's Xournal++ but I've got to understand it again and see if it is stable aenough |
| 13:14.29 | Sicelo | cehteh: i 'solved' the evkey thing by making a link to /usr/bin/evkey |
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| 13:15.27 | Sicelo | reflash if you really need to. if you wan't to try other thingsp i recommend NIN101's RescueOs .. very handy |
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| 13:46.01 | dafox | does anyone if there (currently) exists a (global) audio-equalizer for the n900? I searched and all I could come up with was a seemingly outdated gst renderer plugin. I would like something which can adjust the global volume so that it works for applications other than my mediaplayer too (e.g. phone, games, etc). |
| 13:50.25 | cehteh | waa .. backupmenu is broken!! *DANGER* :D ... |
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| 13:51.54 | cehteh | can anyone please issue dpkg -S /usr/sbin/evkey and tell me the result |
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| 13:53.31 | peetah | cehteh: copy usr/bin/evkey to usr/sbin |
| 13:53.36 | peetah | it's a known issue |
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| 13:53.42 | Neutron_ | how does the process of switching between 2G and 3G networks work? is there any way to tweak some settings to make the device switch over faster when it loses its HSDPA signal and falls back to EDGE? |
| 13:53.50 | vi_ | cehteh: symlink /usr/bin/evkey to /usr/sbin/evkey |
| 13:53.55 | Neutron_ | such as by keeping both radios active at the same time or something along those lines |
| 13:53.56 | cehteh | peetah: great .. that killed my device :P |
| 13:54.09 | cehteh | i mean the bug .. i flashed now |
| 13:54.25 | vi_ | Neutron_: no, it is a closed source nokia thing. |
| 13:54.46 | Neutron_ | vi_: hmm I see. would that be some "radio firmware image" then? |
| 13:54.56 | vi_ | CMT to be precise. |
| 13:56.20 | chem|st | anidel: ah UI that was |
| 13:56.41 | chem|st | then good luck with your aged ++ code |
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| 14:43.03 | LaoLang_cool | How to set the foreground/background color of xterm? |
| 14:44.25 | Sicelo | hit the 'application bar' on top, choose Font |
| 14:45.13 | LaoLang_cool | Sicelo, thank you! |
| 14:50.53 | LaoLang_cool | Sicelo, can I set it in a config file? |
| 14:51.05 | LaoLang_cool | I have a color code |
| 14:51.53 | Sicelo | gconftool-2 then |
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| 15:01.41 | chem|st | LaoLang_cool: gconftool-2 -s --type=string /apps/osso/xterm/background=#00000 |
| 15:03.18 | chem|st | #000000 of course |
| 15:05.08 | LaoLang_cool | chem|st, wow, thank you! |
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| 15:11.30 | LaoLang_cool | chem|st, it warns: No value to set for key: `/apps/osso/xterm/background=#DDDDAA' |
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| 15:17.46 | Pali | I builded new version of bootmenu which should fix evkey problem |
| 15:17.50 | Pali | see thread on TMO |
| 15:18.06 | Pali | report if problems was solved |
| 15:19.59 | LaoLang_cool | time to sleep, good night! |
| 15:20.24 | chem|st | no "=" sry |
| 15:20.31 | chem|st | erhm |
| 15:20.32 | chem|st | ... |
| 15:20.56 | X-Fade | I wonder who thought it was a good idea to have people mail to a public mailinglist to get a free device :P |
| 15:22.13 | vi_ | So... |
| 15:22.16 | vi_ | much... |
| 15:22.18 | vi_ | spam... |
| 15:22.21 | teotwaki | X-Fade: it's just to make maemo show up in the "active projects" again :) |
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| 15:23.09 | X-Fade | Magical mail multiplier.. |
| 15:23.20 | teotwaki | once this is over |
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| 15:23.38 | teotwaki | I'll start a "email your bio if you want to receive viagra!" |
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| 15:24.10 | MohammadAG | muhaha |
| 15:24.12 | vi_ | after this is over I am sure a lot of the new activity will go dormant again. |
| 15:24.17 | MohammadAG | made a plugin based toggle system for Harmattan |
| 15:24.17 | X-Fade | I'm thinking of putting a mail rule in the list server.. |
| 15:24.20 | MohammadAG | UI sucks, for now |
| 15:26.03 | MohammadAG | http://i47.tinypic.com/21dhrpe.jpg |
| 15:26.26 | beford | nice |
| 15:26.59 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: What does it do? |
| 15:27.08 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, look at the screenshot :p |
| 15:27.21 | MohammadAG | clicking the off should turn on airplane mode |
| 15:27.23 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: I did ;) |
| 15:27.38 | X-Fade | Ok, that wasn't very obvious :P |
| 15:28.04 | MohammadAG | it's a toggle system :p |
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| 15:29.53 | MohammadAG | and implementing a toggle is piss easy |
| 15:29.54 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/zWfzHGPG |
| 15:30.52 | MohammadAG | then just compile as a lib and drop it in /usr/lib/mt-toggles, the rest should be handled by the main lib |
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| 15:38.17 | vi_ | freemangordon: ping |
| 15:41.17 | Woody14619 | K, silly IRC question, as I've not been using it for over a decade. When I connect via wifi on my N900, I get on just fine and life is grand. When I connect via TMobil, I get some error about "SASL required". Everything Google finds talks about setting up nickserv stuff to authenticate on login, which I'm doing. |
| 15:41.39 | wmarone | what's your mobile provider? |
| 15:41.46 | Woody14619 | TMobil. |
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| 15:41.50 | wmarone | hm |
| 15:41.58 | wmarone | dunno, I get the same thing here on AT&T |
| 15:42.09 | wmarone | card.freenode.net tends to let me in |
| 15:42.34 | teotwaki | Woody14619: connect using ssl |
| 15:42.36 | wmarone | SASL has to be built into xchat for it to work, I believe |
| 15:42.38 | Woody14619 | I think that was one of the ones that specificly rejected me.. but I'll try it later. |
| 15:42.41 | teotwaki | Woody14619: it's basically an auth mechanism |
| 15:43.07 | Woody14619 | teotwaki, I tried that, but even connecting via SSL it spit out the same error and hung up on me. |
| 15:43.36 | Woody14619 | And again, SSL or not, the same client connect just fine when I'm on wifi just about anywhere. |
| 15:43.58 | teotwaki | Woody14619: xchat? |
| 15:43.59 | wmarone | yeah, freenode has an allergy to the wireless carriers' networks |
| 15:44.12 | Woody14619 | And I'm getting messages from the server, so technically I'm connected... until it dumps be for not authneditcaing. |
| 15:44.20 | Woody14619 | teotwaki, yes, xchat. :) |
| 15:44.24 | teotwaki | Woody14619: http://freenode.net/sasl/README.txt |
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| 15:45.14 | Woody14619 | teotwaki, thanks! I'll throw that in and see if it works. Guese my google-foo is not so good either? :P |
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| 15:49.01 | chem|st | MohammadAG: any thought on extending your sociality with upload plugins? |
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| 15:50.11 | freemangordon | vi_, pong |
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| 15:50.38 | MohammadAG | chem|st, Sociality already supports uploading, so I might do that |
| 15:51.11 | freemangordon | MohammadAG, N900 or N9? |
| 15:51.23 | MohammadAG | N900 |
| 15:51.31 | MohammadAG | N9 uploading isn't done yet |
| 15:51.39 | freemangordon | but isn't it better to RE the plugins? |
| 15:51.46 | vi_ | freemangordon: good afternoon squire. |
| 15:51.51 | vi_ | I am on a bug hunt |
| 15:52.18 | MohammadAG | freemangordon, depends if you're using sociality or not |
| 15:52.20 | MohammadAG | he asked about it |
| 15:52.26 | freemangordon | aah, ok |
| 15:52.32 | freemangordon | vi_, which one? |
| 15:52.32 | chem|st | MohammadAG: yeah, would come handy to not start sociality for a snapshot each time |
| 15:52.59 | MohammadAG | can sharing plugins be in Qt? |
| 15:53.06 | vi_ | freemangordon: if I load this: |
| 15:53.09 | vi_ | http://slexy.org/view/s21JAocXjZ |
| 15:53.22 | vi_ | everything is just nice and peachy |
| 15:53.31 | vi_ | UNTIL!!! |
| 15:53.45 | vi_ | I launch the camera. |
| 15:53.58 | vi_ | Then instacrash/reboot. |
| 15:53.59 | chem|st | MohammadAG: no idea |
| 15:54.14 | vi_ | but ONLY if smart reflex is on. |
| 15:54.18 | chem|st | MohammadAG: did you have a look at https://developers.google.com/drive/ yet or is that out of your range? |
| 15:54.35 | vi_ | if I then take the voltage SR is using for 900MHz |
| 15:54.59 | vi_ | and set it manually and lock to 900MHz it works fine |
| 15:55.12 | vi_ | in fact I can go a little bit lower than what SR recommends |
| 15:55.36 | freemangordon | vi_, does "stock" frequencies lead to reboot, when SR is turned on? |
| 15:56.00 | vi_ | yes |
| 15:56.06 | MohammadAG | chem|st, actually looks simple |
| 15:56.17 | vi_ | whenever I launch the camera, with the above settings |
| 15:56.43 | freemangordon | vi_, any stack trace? /dev/mtd2 |
| 15:56.45 | chem|st | MohammadAG: facebook or drive? |
| 15:56.48 | vi_ | I have tried eliminating the settings one by one |
| 15:56.50 | rzs19 | is meego more lightweight than maemo? |
| 15:56.56 | MohammadAG | drive |
| 15:57.06 | MohammadAG | no, maemo is way more lightweight |
| 15:57.12 | chem|st | afaik it needs to be in chrome-store to have actually access |
| 15:58.32 | vi_ | freemangordon: 1 sec |
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| 16:01.54 | freemangordon | vi_, could you install hildon-desktop from cssu-devel repo to see if it fixes that issue? |
| 16:01.56 | chem|st | hmm, gtg cleaning drip rails... will be on later with my sister needing guidance with her new and shiny n900 |
| 16:06.16 | vi_ | freemangordon: 1st. How do I see debug messages on mtd2? |
| 16:07.23 | freemangordon | vi_, well, try with dd or cat, actually I am using winscp :) |
| 16:08.01 | freemangordon | vi_, you started some explanation re elimination |
| 16:09.54 | freemangordon | vi_, BTW i cannot reprodice the crash here, runing kernel-cssu v1, and latest-greatest stuff from cssu-devel/thumb |
| 16:11.28 | vi_ | freemangordon: mmm |
| 16:11.57 | freemangordon | vi_, mmm as in? |
| 16:13.18 | freemangordon | Pali, ping |
| 16:15.30 | vi_ | freemangordon: finally a pastebin that will work. |
| 16:15.32 | vi_ | http://cxg.de/_333057.htm |
| 16:15.36 | vi_ | is my mtd2 |
| 16:15.44 | vi_ | I do not have cssu-dev enabled |
| 16:16.14 | freemangordon | vi_, yes, I know |
| 16:16.32 | freemangordon | but you'd better enable it |
| 16:17.21 | freemangordon | vi_, forget about that |
| 16:17.27 | freemangordon | the crash is in sr_ntarget_add_margin |
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| 16:18.18 | wmarone | hmm |
| 16:18.33 | freemangordon | vi_, may I have your uname -a? |
| 16:18.45 | wmarone | facebook must have changed something, the facebook widget doesn't seem able to grab anything anymore.... |
| 16:18.47 | vi_ | I stand corrected. It DOES work at 250-600MHz but nothing any higher. i.e. 250-720. |
| 16:19.02 | vi_ | sure, as soon as I have booted up again! |
| 16:19.57 | vi_ | I must add a line to rc-late that checks if camera slide is oipen and automatically runs fsck if it is so I can happily recover from these crashes when playing with settings. |
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| 16:20.32 | freemangordon | vi_, why , why, you nearly cause me a heart attack, I was swearing every now and then SR is 100% stable for stock frequencies :D |
| 16:21.01 | vi_ | my device is a bad egg. |
| 16:21.38 | freemangordon | nah, it is ok if you don't have crash when frequencies are in range 250-600 and SR is enabled |
| 16:22.49 | freemangordon | vi_, may I have your uname -a before you start playing with rc-late |
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| 16:31.24 | vi_ | freemangordon: Linux n900 2.6.28.10-power50 #1 PREEMPT Sun Mar 18 20:10:56 EET 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux |
| 16:39.17 | freemangordon | vi_, how doy you control DSP frequencies? |
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| 16:42.52 | vi_ | I echo the appropriate values to the /sys/place |
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| 16:43.10 | vi_ | echo "90 90 180 360 430 600 600 600 600 600 600 600 600" > /sys/power/dsp_opps_rate |
| 16:43.15 | vi_ | ^like that |
| 16:43.55 | freemangordon | hmmm, could you install KPS (i know you hate it, but just for the test) and do kernel-config load dsp |
| 16:44.22 | freemangordon | then try again |
| 16:44.40 | vi_ | well I DO have the kernel-config script |
| 16:44.52 | vi_ | just none of the upstart nonsense that goes with it |
| 16:45.10 | vi_ | current frequency: 900 |
| 16:45.10 | vi_ | supported frequencies: 125 250 500 550 600 720 805 850 900 950 1000 1100 1150 |
| 16:45.10 | vi_ | min. frequency: 250 |
| 16:45.10 | vi_ | max. frequency: 900 |
| 16:45.12 | vi_ | avoid frequencies: 125 550 850 950 1000 1100 1150 |
| 16:45.15 | vi_ | active frequencies: 0:30,90 250:37,180 500:54,360 600:47,600 720:51,600 805:54,600 900:60,600 |
| 16:45.18 | vi_ | SmartReflex VDD1=1, VDD2=1 |
| 16:46.41 | vi_ | could you pastebin the dsp profile for me? |
| 16:46.46 | freemangordon | vi_, does not look good |
| 16:47.06 | freemangordon | just a second |
| 16:47.49 | vi_ | what aspect of the above do you find distressing? |
| 16:48.06 | freemangordon | 0:30,90 |
| 16:48.11 | freemangordon | as a start |
| 16:48.21 | freemangordon | that is mine http://pastebin.com/7yHGNVQ8 |
| 16:49.08 | vi_ | those are not 'real voltages' |
| 16:49.17 | vi_ | they are just some junk kernel config says |
| 16:49.40 | vi_ | my kernel-config output never changes even when SR is enabled. |
| 16:49.49 | freemangordon | I am talking abot "0" frequency, that was some hack made by titan, it is removed in KP 50 |
| 16:50.28 | vi_ | my real voltages are: |
| 16:50.33 | vi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.34 | vi_ | 30 24 37 54 41 47 51 54 55 60 60 72 72 |
| 16:50.43 | vi_ | I NEVER set the voltages. |
| 16:50.59 | freemangordon | vi_,please, lets try KPS, there is no use to argue . |
| 16:51.01 | vi_ | I boot with stock voltages, then let SR set them. |
| 16:51.10 | freemangordon | And am not talking about voltages :) |
| 16:51.24 | freemangordon | but for zero frequency |
| 16:51.32 | vi_ | I hope kps has been fixed to be fully purgable now... |
| 16:51.44 | freemangordon | well, NFC :) |
| 16:51.54 | vi_ | It is an abomination |
| 16:51.58 | freemangordon | there are some remnans? |
| 16:52.07 | freemangordon | *remnants |
| 16:52.18 | freemangordon | never been aware of such a bug |
| 16:52.38 | vi_ | you try to uninstall it and sometimes on reboots it says 'A REBOOT WAS DETECTED!!11!1 YOUR OVERCLOCK HAS NOT BEEN APPLIED!!1!" |
| 16:52.55 | vi_ | and I am like, WTF, I uninstalled you piece of shit. |
| 16:53.20 | vi_ | current frequency: 900 |
| 16:53.20 | vi_ | supported frequencies: 125 250 500 550 600 720 805 850 900 950 1000 1100 1150 |
| 16:53.20 | vi_ | min. frequency: 900 |
| 16:53.20 | vi_ | max. frequency: 900 |
| 16:53.20 | vi_ | avoid frequencies: 125 550 850 950 1000 1100 1150 |
| 16:53.23 | vi_ | active frequencies: 250:24,90 500:37,180 600:41,430 720:47,600 805:51,600 900:55,600 |
| 16:53.26 | vi_ | SmartReflex VDD1=1, VDD2=1 |
| 16:53.28 | vi_ | governor ondemand: ignore nice load= 0, up threshold= 80, sampling rate= 150000, powersave bias= 0 |
| 16:53.31 | freemangordon | hmm. AFAIK that is a part of KP, not KPS. Could be wring, never been so much in scripts coming with KP |
| 16:53.31 | vi_ | is the new output |
| 16:54.05 | vi_ | It is not your fault and it does no harm to the system. I am just fussy. |
| 16:54.41 | freemangordon | vi_, I am not sure how KP will handle those missing frequencies above 900 |
| 16:54.52 | freemangordon | 950-1150 range |
| 16:55.22 | freemangordon | aah |
| 16:55.29 | freemangordon | aorry, scratch that |
| 16:55.32 | freemangordon | *sorry |
| 16:56.07 | freemangordon | well, you could try now |
| 16:56.33 | freemangordon | if it reboots again, I will insist on installing KPS and try with dsp profile |
| 16:56.56 | freemangordon | vi_ ^^^ |
| 16:57.32 | vi_ | I have installed kps |
| 16:57.34 | vi_ | just for you! |
| 16:57.37 | freemangordon | good |
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| 16:57.49 | freemangordon | THANK YOU |
| 16:58.24 | vi_ | however I still need the 'dsp' kernel config file |
| 16:58.26 | freemangordon | lets try with dsp profile, I hope you don't have some dbus scripts or ather shit changing OC on-the-fly |
| 16:58.35 | freemangordon | vi_, it is a part of KPS |
| 16:59.05 | freemangordon | kerna=el-config load dsp should work OOB |
| 16:59.16 | vi_ | bwahaha. Ironically I was the one who showed karam how to change OC shit with dbus scripts. |
| 16:59.22 | freemangordon | s/kerna=el/kernel/ |
| 16:59.49 | vi_ | so in a way I am the grandfather of batterypatch |
| 17:00.28 | freemangordon | yeah, :D |
| 17:01.02 | MrPingu | Are you proud of that? :P |
| 17:01.27 | freemangordon | seems he is, at lest not ashamed :P |
| 17:01.31 | freemangordon | *least |
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| 17:09.01 | vi_ | sorry had to take a call |
| 17:09.03 | vi_ | also |
| 17:09.07 | vi_ | instacrash |
| 17:09.19 | vi_ | with dsp profile |
| 17:09.41 | freemangordon | hmm, that is really strange |
| 17:10.29 | freemangordon | seems there is a bug, I just can't reproduce it |
| 17:10.33 | vi_ | I must add that this crash only happens with those wacky compcache settings. |
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| 17:17.47 | freemangordon | vi_, how did you install KP? |
| 17:18.45 | freemangordon | vi_, scratch that, your KP seems correct one |
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| 17:23.30 | freemangordon | vi_, could you use some profile which does not OC DSP, I need to figure where i the code is the crash |
| 17:23.48 | freemangordon | i.e. DSM frequency to be limited to 430 |
| 17:23.51 | freemangordon | *DSP |
| 17:24.24 | Pali | pong, freemangordon |
| 17:24.29 | freemangordon | that way it should NOT crash if I am getting what the bug is |
| 17:24.49 | freemangordon | Pali, http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=people/mpoirier/linux-ubuntu-3.0.n900.git;a=summary |
| 17:25.00 | freemangordon | Pali, NFC if it works :) |
| 17:25.38 | Pali | ok :) |
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| 17:31.45 | vi_ | ok, I will create a non dsp overclocking profile and test it. I should add, this ONLY happens with compcache module loaded |
| 17:31.58 | vi_ | I have to go for some hours, I will report back later. |
| 17:32.13 | freemangordon | vi_, I see, could be a nug in compcache too. ok |
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| 17:36.33 | Venemo | hey guys :) |
| 17:36.39 | Venemo | Estel_: congrats for your election! :) |
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| 18:50.44 | freemangordon | WTF?!? libfacebooksharingservice.so.0.0.0 is thumb2 compiled!!! |
| 18:50.54 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51 ^^^ :P |
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| 19:06.54 | chem|st | ~flashing |
| 19:06.55 | infobot | hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 19:30.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: well, I guess MohammadAGhas no monopoly on fscking up builds like that |
| 19:31.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | btw libWHAT? |
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| 19:32.54 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: facebook sharing plugin, i.e. photo uploader |
| 19:33.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe you should grant author of that lib a favour and tell him *why* his lib SIGILLs all the time ;-P |
| 19:33.36 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, it is nokia : http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_nokia-applications_explicit_armel/sharing-service-facebook/0.4.4/ |
| 19:33.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | LOL |
| 19:34.06 | freemangordon | yeah, closed source, Fremantle rootfs :D:D:D |
| 19:34.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | LOL^2 |
| 19:34.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | I already anticipate next statement |
| 19:35.19 | freemangordon | yeah, we MUST HAVE thumb errata workaround enabled :P |
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| 19:35.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | waits for "now we *need* to switch whole CSSU to thumb and thumbfixed kernel, to fix this bug in non-open facebrick.so" |
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| 19:38.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, actually I consider this a great opportunity to make Nokia participate a bit more on fremantle, either by opening up src, or by contributing some fixes to things they don't wanna open, or even by joining in to shed some light on thumb erratum isse, by evaluation and expertise |
| 19:38.26 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, it is not about facebrick, the fact there is at least one thumb-compiled binary distributed by Nokia itself should ring the bell |
| 19:38.28 | Pali | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84410 |
| 19:38.35 | freemangordon | Do you think it is only that one? |
| 19:39.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | errr, yes, in fact I think it's only that one |
| 19:39.04 | Pali | freemangordon, how do you know that library is thumb? |
| 19:39.09 | freemangordon | Pali, that is why I started REing the stupid FB libs |
| 19:39.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | until somebody proves me wrong |
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| 19:39.29 | freemangordon | Pali, IDA never lies :) |
| 19:39.32 | Pali | has thumb info written in ELF header? |
| 19:39.38 | Pali | ok :) |
| 19:39.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | though I recall my weird results of mass-checking binaries some 6 months ago |
| 19:39.58 | freemangordon | text:0000310E BEQ.W loc_3588 |
| 19:40.51 | freemangordon | or even better: |
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| 19:40.53 | freemangordon | text:0000310C 00 28 CMP R0, #0 |
| 19:41.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | ?? |
| 19:41.14 | freemangordon | Pali, 2 byte instructions ;) |
| 19:41.20 | Pali | freemangordon, download fiasco rx51 image, unpack rootfs and run shell script on all elf binaries |
| 19:41.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's exactly what I did |
| 19:41.35 | Pali | maybe it is not only one thumb binary |
| 19:41.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | though I just checked for "illegal instruction" |
| 19:41.52 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, look at the offsets, those are not 32bit aligned |
| 19:42.58 | freemangordon | I am not sure we can find thumb compiled binaries so easy. we need a disassemble for start |
| 19:43.05 | freemangordon | *disassembler |
| 19:43.24 | freemangordon | NFC if gdb can do abjdump |
| 19:43.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | I used that age old unix tool the name of I can't recall right now |
| 19:43.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | objdump |
| 19:43.40 | freemangordon | *objdump |
| 19:44.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | objdump can do objdump :-P |
| 19:44.30 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, could you run that against /usr/lib/sharing/plugins/libfacebooksharingservice.so |
| 19:44.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | I HONESTLY hope no such friggin lib on my system!! |
| 19:45.36 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, I don't give a shit if you like FB or not, that is not what the discussion is for |
| 19:46.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | IroN900:~# ls -l /usr/lib/sharing/plugins/libfacebooksharingservice.so |
| 19:46.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | ls: Zugriff auf /usr/lib/sharing/plugins/libfacebooksharingservice.so nicht möglich: No such file or directory |
| 19:46.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: asshat! ;-P |
| 19:46.51 | freemangordon | yeah, no FB sharing plugin installed |
| 19:47.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | you think I should install it? |
| 19:47.55 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, you have that toll on your system, seems to me the easiest way to check if it can/not detect thumb binaries |
| 19:48.00 | freemangordon | *tool |
| 19:48.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | apt-get install binutils-gnu |
| 19:48.34 | freemangordon | the package is sharing-service-facebook |
| 19:48.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | NFC what to install for spacefick |
| 19:49.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | mhm |
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| 19:50.54 | Pali | $ arm-linux-gnueabi-objdump -d a.out | sed 's/\s\s*/ /g' | cut -f3 -d' ' | grep -q '^....$' && echo "Binary has thumb code" |
| 19:51.17 | Pali | freemangordon, use this for checking ^^^ |
| 19:51.21 | freemangordon | hmm, sometething very strange here, the version on maemo.org is 4.4, but the version on my device is 5.1 |
| 19:52.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: I guess it will need some tweaks? |
| 19:53.38 | Pali | it checking if binary has some 16bit instruction |
| 19:53.52 | Estel_ | chem|st, teotwaki, sure, many people apply for devices without much merit behind it, but, on the other hand, I think that most "wise ones" can't read short reequiments with understanding |
| 19:53.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: I confess I forgat the correct parameters for objdump invocation |
| 19:54.01 | Estel_ | who the hell said that developers can't apply for device?! |
| 19:54.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | took me some time to get it all right |
| 19:54.20 | Estel_ | I will quote a nice snippet to You, especially chem|st |
| 19:54.27 | Pali | also you can try to use readelf |
| 19:54.43 | Estel_ | "Unlike other programs, target audience of Community Awards aren't only developers. Suitable candidates include (also) dedicated testers, helpers, hardware modders, contributing participants of brainstorms and so goes on. Usually, it's a mix of all presented above. " |
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| 19:54.54 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, I enough of a thumb2, will leave the exercise for someone else |
| 19:54.59 | Pali | $ readelf -a a.out | grep -i thumb |
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| 19:55.04 | Estel_ | chem|st, teotwaki, does it sounds like "devs shouldn't apply"?! |
| 19:55.12 | Estel_ | freemangordon, wtf? |
| 19:55.20 | Estel_ | something doesn't work like it should? |
| 19:55.28 | freemangordon | even better |
| 19:55.45 | freemangordon | [21:47] <freemangordon> WTF?!? libfacebooksharingservice.so.0.0.0 is thumb2 compiled!!! |
| 19:55.53 | Estel_ | teotwaki, if You don't like CA idea, solution is simpel - don't submit, don't follow. |
| 19:56.22 | Estel_ | I don't see anything bad about people sending submissions without reason - no one said they're going to get device |
| 19:56.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: please reconsider your notion, you're council now |
| 19:56.49 | Estel_ | BTW, saying that "you don't want to sit in same hat as those idiots" is out of line- especially, that amongst submitters, we have freemangordon, Pali, MAG, etc |
| 19:57.05 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, IIRC, i never promised thatI'll pretend I'm someone else after council election |
| 19:57.10 | freemangordon | guys, where the fuck sharing-service-facebook_0.5.1_armel.deb comes from? OVI store? |
| 19:57.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | I constantly become green hulk when somebody says "like it or leave it, but shut up" |
| 19:57.38 | Estel_ | furthermore, I did my best, to show people, that i'm not a type of "diplomat" in some cases. |
| 19:57.39 | freemangordon | because that is what i have installed on my device |
| 19:57.56 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, wlel, it's Your right to become a hulk |
| 19:58.04 | Estel_ | I don't see much merit behind teotwaki's whinning |
| 19:58.28 | MrPingu | freemangordon , examine what the FB installer does ;) |
| 19:58.28 | Estel_ | CA is other thing than coding Competition. |
| 19:58.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | I don't see much sound rationale and aim behind CA |
| 19:58.49 | Estel_ | Ca is for contributions to community seen as in "big picture" - mix of all things, developing is only part of them |
| 19:59.02 | Estel_ | for example, qwerty wouldn't, probably, get Ca, if he would be still active in the way he waas. |
| 19:59.07 | MrPingu | When you reflash your device you get a FB icon, when clicking that it opens HAM |
| 19:59.14 | Estel_ | sure, he was great dev, and would get device in most categories easily, probably... |
| 19:59.32 | Estel_ | But not in CA, as he wasn't very "community" type ;) |
| 19:59.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, I don't mind... almost. I just hope it won't lure away even more gifted experts from fremantle |
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| 20:00.05 | freemangordon | MrPingu: IIRC sharing plugin could be installed from HAM |
| 20:00.05 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, last eyar i also thought like that. |
| 20:00.12 | freemangordon | no need to click FB installer |
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| 20:00.18 | Estel_ | ho ever, I realized, that reasonable people stay in communtiy even after receiving devi9ce... |
| 20:00.20 | Estel_ | see Nicolai |
| 20:00.34 | Estel_ | and people that leave Fremantle as soon as receive device, would do it for any reason |
| 20:00.42 | Estel_ | be it new samsung galaxy, new android toy, or whatever |
| 20:00.44 | MrPingu | freemangordon: I will check, still have a clean device ;) |
| 20:01.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | oh well, take your happy pills in shape of N9 and celebrate you're such a great community, and even with all new guys nobody ever heard about |
| 20:01.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | I don't care |
| 20:01.46 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, what's the problem? you never heard about such guys, that try their luck? |
| 20:01.52 | Estel_ | again, submission ≃ getting device |
| 20:02.01 | Estel_ | s/!=/=/ |
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| 20:02.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | again, I couldn't care less |
| 20:02.21 | Estel_ | so, why so asshatish about it?;) |
| 20:02.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | friggin 25 devices |
| 20:02.38 | Estel_ | "take Your happy pills" and such thing doesn't sound like someone whi doesn't care,m at least emotionally. |
| 20:02.49 | Estel_ | odl rascal ;) |
| 20:03.21 | MrPingu | waits till HAM stops spinning that circle |
| 20:03.42 | Estel_ | it seems to me, that - first time - people who already contributed much will get devices, instead of ones that just "rpomise" new things, where, maybe, in good times, 10% are fulfilled. |
| 20:03.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | and felt 2500 fools are exposing their silliness and greed |
| 20:03.55 | Estel_ | well, it's fool's problem |
| 20:03.57 | Estel_ | not our. |
| 20:04.15 | Estel_ | It sounds, that You're more irritated by idiots spamming mailing list, than whole merit ;) |
| 20:04.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's my problem when I have to deal with it in a chan where I mod |
| 20:04.27 | Estel_ | well, My initial diea was to use council@maemo.org for submissions |
| 20:04.40 | Estel_ | s/diea/idea/ |
| 20:04.53 | Estel_ | couldn't do that thouigh, as X-Fade is ages late to prepare mail cloaks for us |
| 20:05.00 | Estel_ | i.e. register our mails as council@maemo.org aliases |
| 20:05.12 | Estel_ | well, i'm still happy, as we managed to make KP get out of testing :D |
| 20:05.50 | Estel_ | after all, mailing list got small nice button called "stop delivering mails", so you can take 3 weeks vacation from list ;) |
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| 20:06.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | huh |
| 20:06.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | ? |
| 20:06.47 | freemangordon | http://pastebin.com/ya7QnNVT |
| 20:06.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | dunno which button you talk about |
| 20:07.15 | Estel_ | go into configuration of mailing lsit. You can make it stop delivering mails without unsubscribing |
| 20:07.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm ignoring ML since 18 onths + |
| 20:07.20 | Estel_ | mainly used for vacations and such. |
| 20:07.27 | freemangordon | Who the hell is that guy and where that .deb comes from? |
| 20:07.32 | Estel_ | well, so You got even less reason to be bitching about CA. |
| 20:07.39 | MrPingu | Freemangordon: I can't find facebook-sharing service in HAM, |
| 20:07.44 | Estel_ | after all, mailing lsit is where most submissions land. |
| 20:07.55 | MrPingu | so it's not in user category |
| 20:08.09 | Estel_ | freemangordon, no idea |
| 20:08.19 | Estel_ | generally, i though msot dramas happen on TMO |
| 20:08.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: BWAHAHAHA |
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| 20:08.50 | Estel_ | but now, after "you won't hijack CSSU" (tm) and "CA will doom us!" I think I don't have time for this all IRC whinning ;) |
| 20:09.18 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, may you share what is so funny? |
| 20:09.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: you have an annoying tendency to "quote" people, or state what they allegedly think or do, that's close to outright lies and trolling |
| 20:10.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: your pastie, your Q "who's that guy?" |
| 20:10.38 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, it's not ym fault that "you won't hijack CSSU" is a legend already, BTw, where i implied what You think? |
| 20:10.49 | Estel_ | it's jsut that lately, more merit is on TMO, and more useless dramas on IRC |
| 20:10.51 | Estel_ | simple as that |
| 20:11.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, prove my point 2 lines up |
| 20:11.29 | Estel_ | after all, saying something in public - or, repeating this 100 times during single discussion - you must be ready, that someone will quote that, not always in a way You would like it |
| 20:11.40 | Estel_ | nice, so "Take your happy pills" that You're right |
| 20:11.48 | Estel_ | and enjoy. i'm off for a while. |
| 20:11.54 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, "Robert Schultheis is a Senior Technology Expert with Forum Nokia Technical Services" |
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| 20:11.58 | MrPingu | Bye! |
| 20:12.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | go... **** |
| 20:12.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | isn't it an amazing troll? |
| 20:13.24 | MrPingu | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | where the FUCK did I say or imply "CA will doom us!"?? Idiot. Of course he's just using the first of his 2 statements to post another 5 lines BS, as he exactly knows the 2nd was a lie |
| 20:14.15 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, please stop that for a while |
| 20:14.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | and just for the entertainment: YOU WON'T HIJACL CSSU! |
| 20:14.49 | freemangordon | I think we have a bigger problem than your fight wit Estel |
| 20:15.11 | MrPingu | freemangordon: Wtf on Fapman it's version 0.44 |
| 20:15.25 | freemangordon | the same on maemo.org |
| 20:15.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: yep |
| 20:15.48 | MrPingu | fremantle ssu apps repo ;) |
| 20:15.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's just annoying the living shit outa me how he argues |
| 20:16.02 | freemangordon | https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com |
| 20:16.24 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, excuse me if You feel offended in any way. Generally, i msut admit, that this whole "negatronic" about Ca "jsut for sake of it" is little irritating, especially, considering ammount of work we have to make it proceed smoothly. |
| 20:16.44 | freemangordon | and where the hell am I supposed to send a bug report |
| 20:16.57 | Estel_ | Sometimes, it's almost like "I already have N950, so why the fuck they're spaming maiolinglist/IRC with some stupid program". i know that it isn't like that in Your case. |
| 20:17.42 | Estel_ | funniest thing is that it's like "they're doing it, BAd, they're not doing it, BAD". |
| 20:18.22 | Estel_ | after all, there is no 100% fair way to limit ammount of stupid submissions, and all "authocracy" we have is sjut to ensure proper people will get devices. |
| 20:19.02 | Estel_ | I agree that there is no reason for arguing, especially, that some interesting developer's discussion is herre, erm, attempted by freemangordon, pingu and others |
| 20:19.05 | Estel_ | ...and spamme by us :p |
| 20:19.11 | Estel_ | s/spamme/spammed |
| 20:19.18 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 20:19.20 | freemangordon | :P |
| 20:19.52 | Estel_ | peace, DocScrutinizer, and sorry again if You felt offended |
| 20:19.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok |
| 20:20.34 | Estel_ | freemangordon, why you think requestr foir a TMO link is idiotic? |
| 20:20.52 | Estel_ | I think it isn't *too* much effort to ask from submitting people, and it eases processing for Council |
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| 20:21.03 | Estel_ | as, while most people have TMO linke din profile, other don't... |
| 20:21.14 | Estel_ | and this way, we have all details in mail, without 3x click to get into TMO |
| 20:21.15 | freemangordon | Estel_, there is a link on maemo.org account, to TMO account |
| 20:21.20 | Estel_ | yea |
| 20:21.38 | Estel_ | but it require clicking on maemo.org profile, clicking on TMO profile, extracting TMO nick... |
| 20:21.45 | MrPingu | Not all have linked it though |
| 20:21.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | not all have tmo account |
| 20:21.58 | Estel_ | add to this "submissions", that doesn't fullfill requiments, etc |
| 20:22.07 | Estel_ | people without tmo accounts or without linked ones... |
| 20:22.10 | freemangordon | and now you'll have to go through the same pile of mails trying to find which mail to which maemo.org account belongs :) |
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| 20:22.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | again, tmo is no mandatory prerequisite for being a maemo community member |
| 20:22.20 | Estel_ | for someone submitting, it's jsut pasting another link. For council, it's 3x less work:p |
| 20:22.26 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, of course |
| 20:22.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | not even reading that pile of slime is |
| 20:22.50 | Estel_ | that why requiments say clearly "or, in case of not being registered on TMO, clear information about that" |
| 20:22.58 | freemangordon | Estel_, IIRC in your mail you dont ask for BOTH accouns, just for TMO account |
| 20:23.07 | Estel_ | it isn't, not IRC, or mailing list (except for submitting) |
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| 20:23.14 | Estel_ | ah, I see now. |
| 20:23.32 | chem|st | ~cssu |
| 20:23.33 | infobot | from memory, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 20:23.34 | Estel_ | freemangordon, udnerstood the point. |
| 20:23.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | moin chem|st |
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| 20:24.05 | Estel_ | freemangordon, but having real name, we have no problem of linking maemo.org account |
| 20:24.24 | Estel_ | but have problems with finding tmo account (or info about it being not existent - which, BTW, never happened so far) |
| 20:25.00 | freemangordon | and still asking for TMO account when it is not a prerequisite and when it is accessible by a single click on maemo.org account page seems unneccessary to me. It is up to you of course |
| 20:25.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | I could toss in another 30 devices to make that CA really an award ;-D Not _all_ being Nokia devices though ;-) |
| 20:25.34 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: iphone4? |
| 20:25.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | LOL |
| 20:25.41 | freemangordon | gimme, gimme |
| 20:25.42 | MrPingu | I won't stop you Docscrutinizer51 |
| 20:25.46 | Estel_ | hey, chemist also applied :D |
| 20:26.31 | Estel_ | freemangordon, generally I get Your point and agree. won't change it now though, as it would make more mess than profit |
| 20:26.41 | Estel_ | + itisn't much effort for people submitting, I hope. |
| 20:26.56 | Estel_ | MrPingu, +1 |
| 20:27.06 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, if You have any awards ready, we're happy to accept ;P |
| 20:27.10 | Estel_ | and I';m talking seriously |
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| 20:27.21 | Estel_ | Coding Competition also did more awards from donations |
| 20:27.26 | freemangordon | Estel_, ok, i don't really care |
| 20:27.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | Samsung Galaxy |
| 20:27.37 | Estel_ | why not, recipent can sell this shit and profit :P |
| 20:27.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | err OMNIA |
| 20:27.56 | Estel_ | lumnia :p |
| 20:28.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, that's exactly my rationale when I just thought council should first scan ML and esp IRC chan about all those who broke their N900 and can't afford a new one |
| 20:28.52 | MrPingu | Btw do you shit phones, I only have 2 phones :P |
| 20:29.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | they could sell that crap and get a used replacement N900 |
| 20:29.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | MrPingu: |
| 20:29.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~joerg |
| 20:29.27 | infobot | joerg is, like, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer |
| 20:29.58 | MrPingu | I see :) |
| 20:30.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: but then I thought odds are they even less will continue / resukme their work for fremantle, when given a HARM device |
| 20:30.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | resume* |
| 20:30.46 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, it was a point made by vi_ a yeard ago, and i used to agree - until I saw results. |
| 20:31.04 | Estel_ | many people received device and continued working on Fremantle, to the point that I wasn't aware they have N950 |
| 20:31.11 | Estel_ | like Nicolai, but hes not only one |
| 20:31.23 | Estel_ | on the other hand, many people who siwtched to harmattan, abandoned also harm community very soon |
| 20:31.38 | MrPingu | eg? |
| 20:31.44 | Estel_ | working for Fremantle isn't a matter of having "more recent" device - after all, most devs can afford it for their own money |
| 20:32.12 | Estel_ | MrPingu, I had nice list, buyt can't find it now :D You, probably, can find some lgos about who receive3d N950 from dev program |
| 20:32.28 | Estel_ | now, i think that if someone would leave Community just because getting Harmattan, then, well, farewell |
| 20:32.36 | Estel_ | ...as such person would take first "chance" and leave anyway |
| 20:32.59 | Estel_ | + odds are, that people receiving CA are the type, that is here to stay :D |
| 20:33.13 | Estel_ | see freemangordon, you imagine him getting N950, hyphoteticaly, and dissapearing next day?> |
| 20:33.36 | MrPingu | Now you said that... Option is opened xD |
| 20:34.11 | MrPingu | TBH, I don't think so ;) |
| 20:34.54 | GeneralAntilles | Give me an N9 |
| 20:34.58 | GeneralAntilles | I promise I wont go anywhere. |
| 20:35.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: (+ odds are, that people receiving CA are the type, that is here to stay) And *I* am afraid you might be right on that |
| 20:36.02 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, submit to mailing list, if You're in line with requiments ;P |
| 20:36.09 | MrPingu | Maybe I can donate chains... To chain people up :P |
| 20:36.24 | MrPingu | So we are assured they won't go anywhere :) |
| 20:36.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | at least my concern applies to all those throwing their cheap hat in the ring now |
| 20:36.38 | Estel_ | gold chains are welcomed ;) |
| 20:36.46 | GeneralAntilles | Shit, I HOPE I'm in line with the requirements. |
| 20:36.58 | GeneralAntilles | But, no, I don't need any free phones. ;) |
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| 20:37.07 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, if You received N950 and N9 from dev porograms, You're not ;) |
| 20:37.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: that's exactly the point |
| 20:37.19 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, you're not talking about ones receiving, but onesd submitting |
| 20:37.35 | Estel_ | no one know - yet - who will receive device ;) |
| 20:37.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | basically all those who deserve a device don't apply |
| 20:37.57 | Estel_ | + i'm sure that 99% of morons treating this as lottery, will GTFO to greener pastures as soon, as we will announce results |
| 20:38.00 | GeneralAntilles | Oh? N950 owners are disqualified? |
| 20:38.05 | Estel_ | with info that they haven't got free device for nothing |
| 20:38.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | and those who apply probably don't deserve one |
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| 20:38.17 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, you're very wrong here. |
| 20:38.17 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer51, usually the way. |
| 20:38.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: for N950 |
| 20:38.24 | Estel_ | Please, see the list before speaking like that |
| 20:38.30 | user__ | freemangordon: ping |
| 20:38.32 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer51, that was my understanding, then. |
| 20:38.36 | Estel_ | as you're, generaly, offending many great people |
| 20:38.47 | Estel_ | we alreayd have at least 10 rationale submissions :P |
| 20:38.55 | vi___ | yo. |
| 20:39.02 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, people who got N950 form dev program,l can't get another NB950 |
| 20:39.06 | Estel_ | although, could get N9 |
| 20:39.15 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, this is why I recommended encouraging people who you think deserve a device to file a submission. |
| 20:39.18 | Estel_ | but people who got *both* N950 and N9 from Nokia's programs, are not |
| 20:39.26 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, fully agree. |
| 20:39.28 | GeneralAntilles | Estel_, ah. That was how I understood it. |
| 20:39.39 | Estel_ | if you think someone deserve it, but he haven't submitted yet - just speak with him. |
| 20:39.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | *I* am insulting particular people by stating a sentence with "probably"??? WTF is it *YOU* do all the time, then? |
| 20:39.50 | GeneralAntilles | So, go find a useful contributor who's being too modest for their own good and prod them forcefully. |
| 20:40.09 | GeneralAntilles | hands DocScrutinizer51 a beer. |
| 20:40.24 | vi___ | passes doc a bong |
| 20:40.34 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, it's like saying "probably, freemangordon, MAG, Pali, Sakya, Hurrian, merlin1991 etc don't deserve device |
| 20:40.41 | Estel_ | well, you're free to express Your opinion |
| 20:40.51 | Estel_ | but I'm afraid You're just wrong |
| 20:41.18 | GeneralAntilles | Estel_, frankly I suspect DocScrutinizer51 would be completely behind your list. |
| 20:41.21 | Estel_ | not to mention that you're saying I'm also not deserving device, so I don't like You :P (uoke) |
| 20:41.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | and I'm afraid you will need another 2 or 3 decades to learn not to hear things like you would've said them |
| 20:41.32 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, same here |
| 20:41.33 | GeneralAntilles | Estel_, so my guess is something's been lost in the communication. |
| 20:41.50 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, genmerally I agree, that's why i'm surprised he is so negatronic about it ;) |
| 20:42.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | I.E. not to deduce from you to others, and then state insulting nonsense assumptions as fact |
| 20:42.20 | Estel_ | main problem is that DocScrutinizer sees - IMO, and again, only IMO - fact that many people are submitting without rationale... |
| 20:42.24 | Estel_ | ...as problem in itself. |
| 20:42.28 | Estel_ | I see it as problem of those people. |
| 20:42.38 | Pali | can somebody who had problem with evkey symlink path test new version of bootmenu? |
| 20:42.39 | Pali | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1213765#post1213765 |
| 20:42.56 | Pali | I'd like to know if it is fixed now |
| 20:43.08 | vi___ | ~last freemangordon |
| 20:43.09 | Pali | and if yes I will push new version to extras-devel |
| 20:43.26 | vi___ | ~seen freemangordon |
| 20:43.35 | infobot | freemangordon is currently on #maemo (7h 27m 26s) #maemo-ssu (7h 27m 26s). Has said a total of 117 messages. Is idling for 16m 9s, last said: 'Estel_, ok, i don't really care'. |
| 20:43.35 | freemangordon | DAAAMN, /scratchbox/compilers/arm-linux-fremantle-gcc4.6.2/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-ld: final link failed: No space left on device |
| 20:43.47 | freemangordon | vi___, wazapp? |
| 20:43.48 | Estel_ | Pali, worksforme.Pali, if nmo one volounteer before, I'll do it in a hour or so |
| 20:43.58 | vi___ | evening' |
| 20:43.59 | Estel_ | vi, have You submitted for N9?:P |
| 20:44.11 | Pali | Estel_, ok |
| 20:44.24 | Estel_ | write us a nice story about how You like to chat with 12 years old girls and that N9 is going to help You on that |
| 20:44.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | <DocScrutinizer51> and those who apply probably don't deserve one VERSUS "probably, freemangordon, MAG, Pali, Sakya, Hurrian, merlin1991 etc don't deserve device |
| 20:44.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | KTHNXBY |
| 20:44.46 | Estel_ | those who apply = freemangordon, MAG, Pali, Sakya, Hurrian, merlin1991, amongst others |
| 20:45.00 | vi___ | Estel_: I am still composing a nonchalant offer to gift nokia my time by using one of their n950 devices. |
| 20:45.02 | Estel_ | those who $apply don't deserve one |
| 20:45.04 | Estel_ | probably |
| 20:45.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, that's *your* weird logic |
| 20:45.17 | Estel_ | apply = freemangordon, MAG, Pali, Sakya, Hurrian, merlin1991 |
| 20:45.19 | GeneralAntilles | Estel_, DocScrutinizer51 is often prone to negatronism. :P It's generally best not to get worked up over it. |
| 20:45.23 | Estel_ | cat $ apply |
| 20:45.32 | vi___ | freemangordon: I have isolated the problem |
| 20:45.36 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, probably right ;P |
| 20:45.39 | freemangordon | 32k? |
| 20:45.44 | freemangordon | vi___^^^ |
| 20:45.51 | vi___ | SONOVVABITCH |
| 20:45.55 | freemangordon | :P |
| 20:45.55 | vi___ | HOW THE |
| 20:46.01 | vi___ | WHT THE |
| 20:46.09 | vi___ | GET OU OF MY MIND |
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| 20:46.33 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer51, fundamentally it's going to be a function of the body doing to the selection as to whether people who don't deserve it are submitting applications. |
| 20:46.38 | freemangordon | vi___: [100485.451721] kswapd0: page allocation failure. order:2, mode:0x4050 |
| 20:46.57 | freemangordon | that was few minutes after I applied your settings |
| 20:46.57 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer51, so, have a little faith, and go prod somebody deserving who hasn't filed. |
| 20:47.17 | vi___ | if (min_free_kb < 256 AND SR=1){crash immediatley} |
| 20:47.55 | freemangordon | yeah, starting camera leads to massive RAM allocation |
| 20:48.10 | freemangordon | 12MB or so for 720p |
| 20:48.16 | vi___ | but why would SR affect that? |
| 20:48.50 | freemangordon | NFC |
| 20:48.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | rather writes an IRC script putting everyone posting regex .*CA.* on his /ignore |
| 20:49.01 | Pali | does somebody know when will be OBS personal repositories working? |
| 20:49.05 | vi___ | are you storing everything i hex precision floating points in the driver? |
| 20:49.23 | freemangordon | pure 32bit ints |
| 20:49.39 | GeneralAntilles | Da shit is CA.? |
| 20:50.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | 25 friggin devices, and 2500 fools applying "I just heard there's a thing called meamo (sic!) and there are devices for free. CAN I HAZ ONE PLZ?!" |
| 20:50.35 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer51, given it's based on previous contributions, it's pretty damn easy to weed those out. |
| 20:50.48 | freemangordon | vi___, just a second |
| 20:51.14 | vi___ | I think it is the 50+ retard spam mails he awoke to this morning. |
| 20:51.29 | GeneralAntilles | vi___, that's what folders are for! :D |
| 20:52.06 | freemangordon | vi___, I have the impression backtrace lies |
| 20:52.13 | Pali | what? only 50 new mails in mailbox? :D subscribe to LKML :D |
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| 20:53.39 | Estel_ | respect @ Pali for his submission's content |
| 20:53.50 | Estel_ | Pali, you've actually filled job request ;) |
| 20:53.57 | Pali | and on some our internal mailinglist we can write 50 emails for one hour |
| 20:54.06 | Estel_ | and You would - ermn, probably - get device evenm with submission like that: |
| 20:54.14 | Estel_ | Hi. i'm Pali. N950. Now. |
| 20:54.19 | Pali | :D |
| 20:54.29 | Estel_ | ...considering Your "past contributions" :) |
| 20:54.34 | freemangordon | vi___, maybe some of the memory is swapped out (I think that memory allocated with GFP_KERNEL could be swapped) |
| 20:54.51 | freemangordon | and as there is no free RAM left, guess what |
| 20:55.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | now without any kidding. what's the aim of that CA thing? |
| 20:55.09 | Estel_ | ah, + link to TMO account :P |
| 20:55.31 | freemangordon | + link to maemo.org account :P |
| 20:55.48 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, recogniting long-time contributors to Maemo Community, and by contributors, I mean "big picture" |
| 20:56.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~dict recogniting |
| 20:56.17 | Estel_ | damn, more I write on IRC, the more my english grammar start to suxx |
| 20:56.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | so can't I |
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| 20:56.29 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, don't worry, me neither |
| 20:56.39 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, it was qgil who said Nokia has 25 devices to be given as community awards |
| 20:56.41 | Estel_ | You msut use Your package common_sense |
| 20:56.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~spell recogniting |
| 20:56.58 | Estel_ | comon_sense /homne/user/recogniting |
| 20:57.08 | Estel_ | Common Sense v1.1, have fun!: |
| 20:57.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~dict recognize |
| 20:57.35 | Estel_ | recogniting - user probably mean "to recogni9ze", but his english grammar sux due to writing on IRC |
| 20:57.36 | MrPingu | apt-get install common-sense |
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| 20:58.24 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, recognizing is also used - correctly - as "His work got recognized in Ca awards program" |
| 20:58.24 | Pali | freemangordon, when obs will be working, testing thumb repo will be moved to obs? |
| 20:59.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | no common sense helps me out of not getting the catch in "$do-anything to long-time contributors" |
| 20:59.26 | Estel_ | or "do-anything at all" :P |
| 20:59.28 | freemangordon | Pali, why is that? |
| 20:59.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | this isn't an aim in itself anyway |
| 20:59.57 | freemangordon | AIUI there won't be any newer gcc |
| 20:59.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | or I miss to regignize it |
| 21:00.03 | Estel_ | well, long-time contributors like when they worjk is recognized and, even, rewqarded, You know that?:P |
| 21:00.31 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, of course, but getting prize for volounteering, as recognition of Your work, as always neat thing. |
| 21:00.37 | Pali | obs does not allow to use new/update gcc? |
| 21:00.40 | Estel_ | BTw, no once forces anyone to submit. |
| 21:00.53 | Estel_ | So, don't speak for contributors, to "don't do anything to them" |
| 21:00.59 | Estel_ | they're doing it to themselves :D |
| 21:01.02 | Estel_ | by submitting |
| 21:01.09 | Estel_ | we just help the, to achieve IT |
| 21:01.13 | Estel_ | pun intended. |
| 21:01.16 | freemangordon | Pali, how am I supposed to know? |
| 21:01.28 | Pali | who know status of obs? |
| 21:01.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry, I don't see any aim |
| 21:01.34 | Estel_ | freemangordon, Pali, probably COBs will use new GCC |
| 21:01.50 | Estel_ | Pali, freemangordon, people @ #maemo-meeting |
| 21:01.53 | Estel_ | (who know status) |
| 21:01.58 | Pali | ok |
| 21:02.04 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, nokia needs warehouse space to stack new generations of lumia phones |
| 21:02.09 | Estel_ | :D |
| 21:02.11 | Estel_ | freemangordon, ;P |
| 21:02.13 | Pali | but there is nobody active now on #maemo-meeting I think |
| 21:02.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | but then, whatever the aim, it won't fly with 25 devices anyway, unless it's been the aim to crreate traffic on the lists and in IRC and tmo |
| 21:02.24 | Estel_ | Pali, they have usual meeting every monday @ 15 UTC |
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| 21:02.37 | Estel_ | but, unusually, this week meeting was held today @ 15 UTC |
| 21:02.37 | Pali | ok |
| 21:02.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: that's the whole point, no kidding |
| 21:02.41 | Estel_ | due to request on mailing list |
| 21:02.47 | Estel_ | new meeting as usual 15 UTc monday |
| 21:02.54 | Estel_ | Pali, you can always reach them on mailing list |
| 21:02.56 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, I was not kidding |
| 21:02.59 | Estel_ | maemo-community@maemo.org |
| 21:03.30 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, frankly, if they're not doing such programs, people complain. If they're doing it, people also complaing |
| 21:03.40 | Estel_ | I'm, for one, happy, that they're proposing us N950's and N9's |
| 21:03.42 | Estel_ | instead of lumnias |
| 21:03.44 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 21:03.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, I haven't seen anybody complaining yet |
| 21:04.08 | Estel_ | no, seriously :D no one is complaining :D |
| 21:04.17 | Estel_ | it's jsut Your usual behavior :D |
| 21:04.27 | vi___ | estel you wait till there are no prizes left. |
| 21:04.34 | vi___ | there will be complaints |
| 21:04.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | exactly - and it's again a nice example why I get upset about your argumentations |
| 21:04.52 | Estel_ | vi_, probably ;) |
| 21:05.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | I just dared to ask what's the AIM, FFS |
| 21:05.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | now in your weird little world that's identical to complaining |
| 21:05.47 | Estel_ | <DocScrutinizer51> 25 friggin devices, and 2500 fools applying "I just heard there's a thing called meamo (sic!) and there are devices for free. CAN I HAZ ONE PLZ?!" |
| 21:05.58 | Estel_ | no complaining. absolutely. Not at all :P |
| 21:06.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | no complaint detected |
| 21:06.12 | Estel_ | Well, i think GeneralAntilles is right |
| 21:06.15 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer51: when you enquire as to the aim do you actually mean, 'what is nokias motivation when throwing these devices in the bin would be 100* less trouble'? |
| 21:06.24 | Estel_ | if you're afraid people that don't deserve it could get one, convince people that deserve it to submit |
| 21:06.35 | Estel_ | and trust us on that (tm), we will choose right people from submissions |
| 21:06.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi___: basically yes |
| 21:07.00 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer51: I wonder the same thing. |
| 21:07.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: I'm afraid of nuttin, except maybe losing my mind in debates with you |
| 21:08.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: again, I couldn't bother less about that whole CA stuff, I'm not even interested in another device |
| 21:08.07 | vi___ | they stand to gain nothing except a little bit of favour with literally 10s of nerds on a strange corner of the internet. |
| 21:08.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm just interested in people and their motivation, as I'm not one of those who think they already *know* what other people think and do |
| 21:09.34 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer51, who cares? Free devices. |
| 21:09.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | free noise everywhere |
| 21:09.55 | GeneralAntilles | Hit the mute button, then. |
| 21:10.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon said "I think we got more serious problems than [that]" |
| 21:11.06 | vi___ | Estel_: how long do I have to offer the nokia the opportunity to give me an n950? |
| 21:11.39 | freemangordon | yeah, thumb2 compiled binaries, freshly (and not so) downloaded from downloads.maemo.nokia.com |
| 21:11.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | and isn't it quite interesting and enlightening what newly elected council considers their highest priority first task they tackle? |
| 21:12.55 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, that was a legacy from the previous council, with deadlines already set up, etc |
| 21:13.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh |
| 21:13.21 | vi___ | freemangordon: in 1 sentance if you could. How does thumb2 effect us n900 users? |
| 21:13.30 | freemangordon | BWAHAHAHA |
| 21:13.52 | freemangordon | vi___, where you've been for the last 8 months? |
| 21:14.00 | freemangordon | it is broken on n900 |
| 21:14.12 | freemangordon | witha an workaround in kernel |
| 21:14.18 | freemangordon | *without |
| 21:14.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi___: it's not working on our OMAP3530, and if it would, we could create smaller but possibly slower code for everything |
| 21:15.15 | freemangordon | and the only kernel so far to have working workaround is kernel-cssu, flashed on 3 devices AFAIK (2 mine, and 1 Pali's) |
| 21:15.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi___: this been the ultraterse somewhat not comprehensive fuzzy answer |
| 21:17.18 | freemangordon | vi___, on a (broken omap core)devices running kernel without that workaround it leads to to a random SIGILLs (not only in thumb-compiled code, but also in ordinary ARM code) |
| 21:17.21 | Estel_ | vi_, it's going to give us more RAM |
| 21:17.47 | Estel_ | no, seriously. not joking. |
| 21:17.54 | Estel_ | programs executables will have smaller footprint |
| 21:17.58 | Estel_ | loaded in RAM |
| 21:18.01 | Estel_ | = less RAM usage |
| 21:18.05 | vi___ | Estel_: orly? i thought more RAM was the only thing that would give us more ram |
| 21:18.28 | Estel_ | vi, due to silicon errors we can';t use thumb2 without errata fixes |
| 21:18.33 | freemangordon | vi__, well more FREE RAM |
| 21:18.51 | Estel_ | freemangordon as first perosn working on this SoC mad eit work properly |
| 21:19.07 | Estel_ | as, al;l people before him, used it wrong way, thinking that it is in effect, but still buggy |
| 21:19.08 | vi___ | freemangordon: I was aware thumb2 was broken, thats why I asked. |
| 21:19.12 | freemangordon | Estel_, limit that to n900 |
| 21:19.17 | Estel_ | so FUD arose, that thumb2 on our SoC and N900a t all is not possible |
| 21:19.33 | vi___ | but it is? |
| 21:19.36 | vi___ | what? |
| 21:19.36 | freemangordon | I have NFC what those guys on BB hade achieved |
| 21:19.37 | Estel_ | vi_, in fact, former methods to enable errata's workaround were broken |
| 21:19.45 | Estel_ | freemangordon, nothing |
| 21:19.50 | Estel_ | as on bb You got info that it's not possible |
| 21:19.55 | Estel_ | and when You asked why, they answered |
| 21:20.01 | vi___ | what is bb? |
| 21:20.04 | Estel_ | "because it isn't, go and buy better SoC" |
| 21:20.07 | Estel_ | beagleboard |
| 21:20.11 | vi___ | oh |
| 21:20.27 | vi___ | so thumb2 works on bb |
| 21:20.32 | vi___ | but not n900 |
| 21:20.32 | Estel_ | freemangordon, BTw, yesterday DocScrutinizer asked me about details of Your fix for Sr on N90 0for up to 900 mhz |
| 21:20.38 | Estel_ | could You explain details to him? |
| 21:20.48 | Estel_ | he wasn't aware of that, due to sitting on kp46, IIRC |
| 21:20.53 | freemangordon | Estel_, I know what I got as an answer, but that were some random (even famous) guys hanging on the channel |
| 21:21.05 | Estel_ | freemangordon, I know |
| 21:21.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: please stop that now - definitely!! |
| 21:21.11 | Estel_ | I'mexplaining it to vi as terse "raport" |
| 21:21.17 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, what? |
| 21:21.30 | Estel_ | yesterdsya You asked me abut it, and I told You that freemangordon know details better |
| 21:21.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | I AM NOt SITTINg ON KP46!!! |
| 21:21.45 | Estel_ | well, that's what You've said yesterday, not that I care? |
| 21:21.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | stop spreading utter lies and bullshit!!! |
| 21:22.14 | Estel_ | erm, it would be spreading FUD if I weould be talking it behind Your back |
| 21:22.23 | Estel_ | You're here, so feel free to correct, without unnecessary andrenalina bursts |
| 21:22.25 | freemangordon | vi__, part of the fix is setting a bit in a register in system control co-processosr, but as n900 is high-secure device, that register is accessible only through call to ,hmm, lets name it BIOS |
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| 21:23.22 | freemangordon | Which I was lucky to discover :) |
| 21:23.27 | MrPingu | Hmm, I have seen an uname of kp46 yesterday, can't remember from who though |
| 21:23.42 | freemangordon | MrPingu, that was DocScrutinizer51 |
| 21:23.51 | Estel_ | MrPingu, from DocScrutinizer ;) |
| 21:23.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: ignore Estel_, he'll never be able to learn it as he refuses to wash his yellow pullover he is wearing all day and all night, since 15 years |
| 21:24.11 | Estel_ | apparently, DocScrutinizer51 is not DocScrutinizer. DocScrutinizer, dob';t get angry, I'm jok9ing now. |
| 21:24.30 | MrPingu | What's with you guys? :O |
| 21:24.48 | Estel_ | In my humble and fully personal opinion, which doesn't apply to be ultimately correct... |
| 21:24.54 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, is jsut overreactive as hell |
| 21:25.08 | Estel_ | + hard in discussions, where not everyone agrees with his point of view. |
| 21:25.14 | Estel_ | AFK for 15 minutes or so ;) |
| 21:25.27 | Woody14619 | MrPingu, They've both been spending a few hours screaming at each other like 4 year olds... nothing new... |
| 21:25.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm just ultimately fed up with you spreading lies about me |
| 21:25.43 | freemangordon | vi__, so, most probably (yet to be proven) we have a completely stable thumb2 on n900 |
| 21:26.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | and I hate your stinking yellow shirt |
| 21:26.25 | Woody14619 | So... the FB lib is thumb2? That would explain why it's crapping out for some randomly. |
| 21:26.53 | freemangordon | vi__, actually i have few packages on my primary device thumb-compiled (Qt, gtk, h-d, stuff like that) for some time |
| 21:27.00 | freemangordon | Woody14619, yeah ;) |
| 21:27.09 | Woody14619 | friggin awesome. :P |
| 21:27.19 | freemangordon | Woody14619, actually it is the sharing plugin |
| 21:27.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | Woody14619: exactly what I said ;-D |
| 21:27.24 | MrPingu | What do you mean exactly with crapping out? I sometimes get that upload error with reason :P |
| 21:27.42 | MrPingu | *without |
| 21:27.53 | Pali | freemangordon, we should ask people who working on OBS if they can add more gcc versions to OBS (one recent for thumb2) |
| 21:28.15 | Woody14619 | So... Looks like a reasonable reason to push the thumb2 patch into KP51? This would affect a core component that most people use... |
| 21:28.18 | MrPingu | Now it's fully broken though :( |
| 21:28.22 | freemangordon | Pali, I don't think it is that easy, new gcc means ne libstdc++ |
| 21:28.42 | freemangordon | MrPingu, patience is the word :P |
| 21:28.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | Woody14619: we don't need any reason to push that into kp51 |
| 21:28.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's already on its way |
| 21:29.33 | freemangordon | hmm, it is not about KP51, but about the rest |
| 21:29.34 | Pali | but if obs will be up, it will be possible to create thumb repo with updated libstdc++... |
| 21:29.59 | Woody14619 | freemangordon, the rest? (Sorry, been out of the loop a few days) |
| 21:30.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | Woody14619: freemangordon accepted my suggestion to allow switching this patch on and off at runtime, so no speed penalty for flushing branch prediction will hit those who don't need the thumb patch |
| 21:30.20 | Woody14619 | btw, I was here for OBS meeting... Work progresses.... |
| 21:30.27 | freemangordon | Pali, of course, but are you sure newer libstc++ from OBS will be ABI compatible with maemo5? |
| 21:30.44 | freemangordon | I am not saying it will be not, just asking |
| 21:31.08 | Pali | I think that new version of libstdc++ is not removing sysmbols |
| 21:31.28 | freemangordon | well, I was thinking the same |
| 21:31.37 | Pali | so it could be backward compatible |
| 21:31.44 | MrPingu | Freemangordon: I am, sometimes but it was more a statement :) I know you are working on it, as for that version from ghost repo :P |
| 21:32.08 | Pali | with maemo obs it should be simple to test that... |
| 21:32.29 | freemangordon | at least libstdc++ coming with gcc 4.6.2 lives happily on my device for 6 months or so |
| 21:33.03 | Woody14619 | stskeeps has been working on a SB2 version http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/sb2-b1-obs-victory.txt |
| 21:33.04 | MrPingu | 6 months is half a year, I would have rendered it stable ;& |
| 21:33.58 | Pali | freemangordon, when building gcc you can specify default gcc flags. so creating thumb repo on obs should be simple if they provide thum gcc toolchain |
| 21:34.09 | freemangordon | Woody14619, do you have any ide which gcc it will be? |
| 21:34.31 | Woody14619 | No... didn't think to ask, and it wasn't mentioned. |
| 21:34.31 | Pali | each package which will be compiled by that gcc will be automatically thumb without needing to modify debian/rules file |
| 21:35.02 | freemangordon | Pali, yaeh, at least on theory |
| 21:35.20 | Woody14619 | Pali, is that a good thing, or a bad thing? :S |
| 21:35.56 | vi___ | now I know EXACTLY what a BIOS is. Can you explain what you meant by bios in the n900 context? |
| 21:36.13 | Pali | Woody14619, this allow to create thumb deb package without needing to modify source package |
| 21:36.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | for CSSU official flavours, it's definitely a very bad thing if we can't use another certified compiler for that |
| 21:36.44 | Pali | DocScrutinizer51, my idea is to choose compiler for repository |
| 21:36.53 | Woody14619 | I guess good if you want the fix in & take the potential speed hit(s), but bad if you don't? |
| 21:36.54 | freemangordon | vi__, absolutely the same, it is a ROM code with an API. It is the first thing to be loaded after power-on AFAIK |
| 21:36.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | that should work |
| 21:37.07 | Pali | so to create testing repo with our thumb compiler |
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| 21:37.29 | Pali | and I think OBS could support it |
| 21:37.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: well, that's ROMBL |
| 21:37.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | or ROMBOOT |
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| 21:38.21 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, agree, what I am calling is PPA, but it isin ROM as well |
| 21:38.47 | vi___ | But a ROM is just a data store. |
| 21:38.52 | vi___ | it has no smarta |
| 21:39.01 | freemangordon | vi__, PPA stands for Primary Protected Application, that signed with nokia keys, etc |
| 21:39.08 | vi___ | ^smarts |
| 21:39.21 | freemangordon | vi__, there is secure RAM area in OMAP |
| 21:40.55 | vi___ | so there is a system co-processor who has a control register that has a switch for enabling/disabling tumb2 |
| 21:41.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | no |
| 21:41.12 | freemangordon | vi__, there is a special instruction(SMC, stands for secure monitor call) to call PPA or HAL API. The code in PPA is executed in secure priviledged mode, and have a full access to HW |
| 21:41.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | no coproc |
| 21:41.34 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, according to ARM terms it is a co-processor |
| 21:41.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | o.O |
| 21:41.53 | freemangordon | well, 15 of them |
| 21:41.53 | vi___ | a co-processor on the same chip? |
| 21:42.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure |
| 21:42.03 | Woody14619 | .oO(As much as a PDP11 was a co-processor for a Vax) |
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| 21:42.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's a SoC |
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| 21:42.17 | freemangordon | yeah, it is a SoC |
| 21:42.30 | vi___ | I majored in VHDL. |
| 21:43.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | aaaah yes you might be right, I seem to recall security processor in our modem at work (Also ARM) |
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| 21:43.28 | freemangordon | http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0301h/ch02s12s13.html |
| 21:43.43 | freemangordon | system control coprocessor that is |
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| 21:44.15 | vi___ | ok. |
| 21:44.31 | vi___ | so is thumb2 broken or not then? |
| 21:44.38 | freemangordon | vi__, it is a bit more complicated than that, check here http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/git-commits-head/2009/5/3/5622724 |
| 21:44.53 | freemangordon | that is the worksround which is supposed to fix it |
| 21:44.58 | vi___ | aah thank you, a little light reading. |
| 21:45.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway it's basically nothing different to age old software interrupts that allow userland process to request root land stuff to be executed by a system library |
| 21:45.38 | freemangordon | :nod: that is wahy I used BIOS term |
| 21:45.42 | freemangordon | *why |
| 21:45.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | I understrood quite fine |
| 21:46.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | ask RST38h ;-D |
| 21:46.26 | freemangordon | vi___, but it does not work on n900, as "IBE Bit" is not accessible from kernel, so theat kernel patch does nothing |
| 21:47.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | there's something even more privileged than kernel though |
| 21:47.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | which can do it according to freemangordon |
| 21:47.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | PPA |
| 21:48.04 | freemangordon | vi__, now, what I was lucky to find is the correct "int 2Fh" function to call to set that bit |
| 21:48.31 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, it is not according to me, it is according to MCR on ACR |
| 21:48.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-) sure |
| 21:49.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | I just have no idea what those TLA mean |
| 21:49.25 | freemangordon | MCR is instruction to read a coprocessor register to MPU register |
| 21:49.40 | freemangordon | ACR is aux control regiter (the register in question) |
| 21:49.57 | freemangordon | kernel can read it, but cannot write it, write op end as NOP |
| 21:50.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, the code to do that magic on int 2f has to be in ROM code though |
| 21:50.29 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer51: now that I understand |
| 21:50.47 | vi___ | 5he dos interrupts thing that is |
| 21:50.47 | freemangordon | yeah. the sweet part is that it is described in TRM :P |
| 21:50.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | no? |
| 21:50.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | aaah |
| 21:51.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | a proper pointer would help a lot |
| 21:51.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-) |
| 21:51.37 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, gimme a minute to open the TRM |
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| 21:52.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | take your time, I'm taking mine to get me a beer before I go to sleep |
| 21:52.16 | chem|st | o/ |
| 21:52.33 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, 25.4 Device Initialization by ROM Code |
| 21:52.38 | freemangordon | function 3 |
| 21:52.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | ta |
| 21:52.52 | vi___ | define: trm |
| 21:53.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | tech ref manual |
| 21:53.06 | freemangordon | Technical Reference Manual |
| 21:53.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~wtf trm |
| 21:53.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~trm |
| 21:53.18 | vi___ | aah, da datasheet |
| 21:53.19 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: my sisters device was borked, flashing emmc and combined did not work... as rootfs was borked ahead |
| 21:53.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, if you call 3000+ pages a sheet ;-P |
| 21:53.58 | vi___ | there are lies. Damn lies. Statistics. Then there are datasheets. |
| 21:54.14 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, and for more reference you may want to look at BB init in u-boot :P |
| 21:54.26 | vi___ | 3000!!11qqqq! |
| 21:54.38 | vi___ | I thought the 8051 manual was epic |
| 21:54.47 | vi___ | at ~300 |
| 21:54.48 | Estel_ | Woody14619, hello back in the civilization :D |
| 21:54.56 | Estel_ | seriously though, I hope You enjoyed Your wilderness trip |
| 21:55.06 | freemangordon | vi___, exactly 3454 according to acrobat reader :D |
| 21:55.10 | Estel_ | you msised great fun with people submitting to Ca awards |
| 21:55.33 | Estel_ | ...few argues with DocScrutinizer, and some aweosme development ;) |
| 21:55.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi___: and for h-e-n I had to visit some half dozen versions of that |
| 21:55.48 | freemangordon | vi__, other questions? |
| 21:55.50 | freemangordon | :P |
| 21:56.01 | vi___ | How do magnets work? |
| 21:56.06 | Estel_ | honestly, I admire DocScrutinizer for reading that (re hostmode), it's like reading phone book |
| 21:56.16 | freemangordon | magnetically? |
| 21:56.24 | vi___ | magically? |
| 21:56.29 | Estel_ | magnetrs? Those thing that have a soul cursed inside, to reach invisible hands and pull things? |
| 21:56.43 | freemangordon | hmm, sounds sane |
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| 21:56.53 | vi___ | magnet!=cursed touch stone |
| 21:56.55 | Estel_ | freemangordon, how You've found this in 3454 pages document? |
| 21:57.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | maginetically |
| 21:57.05 | Estel_ | using searchj? |
| 21:57.06 | Estel_ | ;P |
| 21:57.17 | Estel_ | or doing voodoo rituals? |
| 21:57.28 | freemangordon | Estel_, I made it work first, then I started to search a rationale :D |
| 21:57.38 | Estel_ | :) this is how I like things to be done |
| 21:57.43 | MrPingu | :P |
| 21:57.49 | Estel_ | probably, that's is why i'marguing with DocScrutinizer all the time |
| 21:57.56 | Estel_ | different life philosophies ;P |
| 21:57.59 | vi___ | freemangordon: employers are going to have to fight for the right to employ pali and yourself. |
| 21:58.13 | Estel_ | yea, in mud |
| 21:58.21 | Estel_ | but only if they're female employers |
| 21:58.21 | vi___ | I hope you are righting all these acheivments down. |
| 21:58.35 | freemangordon | nah, I am ok where I am right now |
| 21:58.38 | vi___ | ^writing. |
| 21:58.46 | Estel_ | freemangordon for president ;) |
| 21:58.58 | freemangordon | writing? yes, in source code |
| 21:59.15 | freemangordon | damn, I am a developer, not a writer :P |
| 21:59.24 | Estel_ | You need a agent ;) |
| 21:59.31 | Estel_ | user-agent. |
| 21:59.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | no, a pimp |
| 21:59.39 | vi___ | srsly, graduates are 10 per euro cent. programmers with proof are hard to get. |
| 21:59.41 | Estel_ | ;p |
| 22:00.04 | Estel_ | vi_, don't put him in self-admiratiuon too much :p |
| 22:00.13 | freemangordon | well, thats a problem Pali have to solve in a few years :D |
| 22:00.24 | Estel_ | or he is even going to connect N950's FMTX to antenna via kernel. |
| 22:00.34 | freemangordon | Estel_, no way, I am already on the limit |
| 22:00.56 | Estel_ | freemangordon, one guy submitting to program, was using hisN9 things as rationale... |
| 22:01.00 | Estel_ | and have 'kernel development' |
| 22:01.04 | Estel_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:01.10 | Estel_ | maybe I should bribe him?:P |
| 22:02.01 | freemangordon | Estel_, if he is a developer and have a will to work on n900 kernel why not? |
| 22:02.20 | freemangordon | but his device have to be under a condition :D |
| 22:02.27 | Estel_ | yea... i;m afraid the second part is not true :( |
| 22:02.35 | Estel_ | BTW |
| 22:02.43 | Estel_ | one guy made better rationale than Pali for getting N950 |
| 22:02.46 | Estel_ | "I have n900 and n9, event my n900 died now, i have to save more money(Indonesia has bad monetary system) i would like to be an N950 owner, what a pride and priceless moment when i hold n950, and i hope nokia continue to develope it, and maybe its become main product of nokia, so i make a wish, and your all great, what the meaning of maemo without this superb community, bravo maemo.org" |
| 22:03.07 | Estel_ | I think he deserves N950 just because indonesia have bad monetary system :( |
| 22:03.21 | freemangordon | damn, its 1 am here |
| 22:03.35 | freemangordon | gtg gyus, bb |
| 22:03.40 | Estel_ | (i'm not laughing behind someone's back - all those bullshit is send to public mailing list) |
| 22:03.41 | MrPingu | Hmm I deserve one because I have a bad monetary system? |
| 22:03.43 | Estel_ | see ya freemangordon |
| 22:03.58 | MrPingu | good night! |
| 22:04.49 | Estel_ | MrPingu, see that: |
| 22:04.54 | Estel_ | "Im so proud when hold my first N900, reading, and watching youtube everyday about maemo(dualboot, etc), and then finally managed to get one after saving my money and i love it!! , after 4 months hold n900, disaster comings, my son play it around and throw my n900 into the water, and its died, soon i manage to get an N9(even its rare and hard to find here), as long as i held maemo device, i much and much learning from this community, what the meaning of |
| 22:04.54 | Estel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.35 | Estel_ | we should get a 3-4 Nokia's 1100 for "recognizing" nominations like that |
| 22:05.58 | MrPingu | LoL |
| 22:05.59 | Woody14619 | huh? bad monetrary system = device is about as bad an idea as governance by having a sword given to you by a spirit in a lake.... |
| 22:06.17 | Woody14619 | .oO("You can't expect to wield supreme power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!") |
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| 22:06.29 | MrPingu | I am still thinking what my "story" would be |
| 22:06.29 | Estel_ | poor people with N900 dropped into water, lets give them few 1100. |
| 22:07.06 | MrPingu | I JUST LOVE Maemo, CAN HAZ them? |
| 22:07.08 | Estel_ | MrPingu, write something about evil uncle that swapped you N900's motherboard with lumnia one |
| 22:07.16 | Estel_ | and hole crusade to reclaim it |
| 22:07.44 | Estel_ | + princess and half of kingdom |
| 22:07.57 | Woody14619 | And yes, Estel_, I'm back from the woods, for now. :) I actually almost got on for the meeting, but apparently Tmobil is banned without SASL and xchat on N900 fails to do it right without a plugin. |
| 22:08.19 | Estel_ | Woody14619, I see... well, i explained people why You were not able to made it there :) |
| 22:08.24 | Estel_ | ah |
| 22:08.24 | Estel_ | BTW |
| 22:08.25 | MrPingu | No, I think it's going to be about a dragon who stealed my N900 |
| 22:08.38 | Estel_ | Woody14619, join internal chann for a while, if You have time now? |
| 22:09.03 | Woody14619 | ?internal? What channel is that? |
| 22:09.46 | Woody14619 | .oO(Why can't we just hold all meetings in one channel? Vs making 800 channels?) |
| 22:10.02 | Estel_ | Will explain it on 801 channel :D |
| 22:10.16 | MrPingu | haha :P |
| 22:10.59 | MrPingu | Well I am going to sleep, tomorrow my last exam then freedom for some weeks :D |
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| 22:13.44 | MrPingu | Good night, cya! |
| 22:14.58 | Estel_ | Good luck MrPingu |
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| 22:18.20 | user_ | how do you change a swaps priority withou swapon/off ing? |
| 22:24.17 | Raimu | Reading tonight's channel quarrel made my head hurt. |
| 22:25.18 | Raimu | Estel, BTW, do you write on a regular keyboard? I think some of your lines are actually getting harder to read as time passes. |
| 22:25.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | vi___: not at all? |
| 22:26.01 | Raimu | Estekl, I mean that you write competent text on TMO, but your IRC output has the most typos I see on any channel. |
| 22:26.12 | Raimu | ..."Estekl." Well, that was ironic. |
| 22:26.14 | Estel_ | Raimu, I also notice that, as time passes, and IRC activity grow up (probably, due to being Councilor) my grammar and writing skills ar egetting worse and worse :( |
| 22:26.34 | Estel_ | sure thing, that it was irony ;) not that I don't belive it. |
| 22:26.37 | Estel_ | hehe, thanks a lot |
| 22:26.58 | Estel_ | well, maybe I'll need to actually start *READING* things before hitting enter... Never though that this doomsday will ever happen :( |
| 22:27.06 | Estel_ | seriously though... |
| 22:27.40 | Raimu | :) |
| 22:27.49 | Estel_ | I've so much work with a) last things about installing council - as chair, all formalities are on me now b) Communtiy Awards and submissions c) whatever non-Council related activity on Maemo d) breathing :) |
| 22:28.08 | Estel_ | that, supposedly, I just tried to write everything too fast, or, to do too many things at the same time |
| 22:28.24 | Estel_ | BTW i'm very strange type of writer, if You're interested - sorry for monologue ;) |
| 22:28.37 | Estel_ | With all this speed, I'mwriting using - literally - two fingers |
| 22:28.49 | Estel_ | right hand middle, and left hand 2nd |
| 22:29.12 | Raimu | I've sometimes thought you're writing lightning-speed on a n900 or something. |
| 22:29.24 | Estel_ | because many times I'm ;P |
| 22:29.30 | Raimu | Touché |
| 22:29.48 | Estel_ | currently, on full keyboard, but i'm switching from mobile and desktop all the times |
| 22:29.53 | Estel_ | well, real life is also demanding :P |
| 22:29.59 | GeneralAntilles | No one can touch my N900 speeds. |
| 22:30.01 | Estel_ | not like reading all those submissions, but still :p |
| 22:30.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: indeed |
| 22:30.29 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, challenged accepted :P seriously though, You're probably faster. |
| 22:30.36 | GeneralAntilles | I'm way out of practice |
| 22:30.52 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't touched an N900 keyboard since last year. |
| 22:31.01 | Woody14619 | .oO(GeneralAntilles: My keystrokes bring all the boys to the yard?) |
| 22:31.06 | Estel_ | Oh, You just screwed Your chances to get N9 in CA |
| 22:31.08 | Estel_ | (joke) |
| 22:31.21 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, I've transcribed more than one keynote to IRC via N900. |
| 22:31.27 | GeneralAntilles | One of them was half in Spanish! |
| 22:31.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles is writing faster on N900 than speakers on a lecture are speaking |
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| 22:32.00 | Estel_ | and know what they want to say before they've said that |
| 22:32.07 | Estel_ | that is why he udnerstand me, and You don't, apparently :p |
| 22:32.18 | vi___ | Woody14619: I could inform you however I would require some form of monetary recompense. |
| 22:32.38 | Woody14619 | XD |
| 22:32.38 | Raimu | GeneralAntilles: *swoon* |
| 22:33.07 | GeneralAntilles | Estel_, nah, that's the Mad Facilitator Skillz. |
| 22:33.28 | GeneralAntilles | sat on the council that kept Talk from burning down after it was brought into maemo.org. |
| 22:33.40 | vi___ | I do believe my comorrancy is of a maesurably higher standard than yous. |
| 22:33.46 | Estel_ | well, we're starting little contest. Vi is writing few lines of text, and one who is able to re-write them, got a half of potato... Eh, it would be just copy and paste contest ;) |
| 22:33.57 | vi___ | higher standard than yours. |
| 22:34.04 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, I know :) |
| 22:34.22 | Estel_ | I'm glad to see that You're still somewhat active |
| 22:34.23 | GeneralAntilles | vi___, cormorantcy? |
| 22:34.30 | Estel_ | something about cormorans |
| 22:34.37 | GeneralAntilles | Estel_, who's somewhat active? |
| 22:34.38 | vi___ | a bird stew?? |
| 22:34.50 | Estel_ | http://s1.e-monsite.com/2008/10/07/09/53401324cormoran-blog-jpg.jpg |
| 22:35.01 | Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, You - I mean, that you're still here |
| 22:35.05 | GeneralAntilles | Oh |
| 22:35.09 | Estel_ | doing MWN and such stuff |
| 22:35.17 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 22:35.19 | vi___ | a kind of domicile |
| 22:35.20 | GeneralAntilles | Was gonna say. |
| 22:35.53 | GeneralAntilles | vi___, commorancy? |
| 22:35.59 | GeneralAntilles | Every damn week for years now. |
| 22:36.03 | Estel_ | Honestly, it's a pity than no other way (except for pinging You here directly, or Jaffa) to contribute MWN, other than twitter |
| 22:36.32 | GeneralAntilles | What other way would you like? |
| 22:36.36 | Estel_ | I'm just not cormoranish type of guy and I don't use twitter/facebook/whatever :( |
| 22:36.42 | Woody14619 | Plenty of ways... making wiki pages works too, if they're popular enough. :) |
| 22:36.44 | Estel_ | IRC bot collecting links :p |
| 22:36.47 | Estel_ | mailing list |
| 22:36.48 | Estel_ | whatever |
| 22:36.52 | GeneralAntilles | Meh |
| 22:36.56 | GeneralAntilles | Just ping one of us here. |
| 22:37.00 | GeneralAntilles | I'm never too far away. |
| 22:37.01 | Estel_ | something accesible without registering on murky website |
| 22:37.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | telepathty |
| 22:37.09 | Estel_ | and accepting they murky rules and privacy policy |
| 22:37.15 | Estel_ | Aye. |
| 22:37.17 | GeneralAntilles | Say qwerty12's name 3 times. |
| 22:37.25 | Estel_ | and write pentagram |
| 22:38.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | sacrifice a squiid |
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| 22:39.35 | Raimu | Write mystical runes on a CAPTCHA check anywhere |
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| 23:25.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~seen lcuk |
| 23:25.24 | infobot | lcuk <lcuk@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 259d 9h 24m 15s ago, saying: 'heh'. |
| 23:29.57 | GeneralAntilles | Has it really been that long? |
| 23:31.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | yap *sigh* |
| 23:32.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: seen RevKathy posting on [cmty]? Nice to see her around |
| 23:33.06 | GeneralAntilles | I was poking her on Twitter this morning. |
| 23:33.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-) |
| 23:34.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | feels like times changed a friggin lot in just less than 24 months |
| 23:35.00 | GeneralAntilles | There's a Dylan song about that, I think. |
| 23:35.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | -ChanServ- 8 jOERG_rw +votriA [modified 2 years, 9 weeks, 6 days, 02:13:36 ago] |
| 23:35.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | incredible |
| 23:36.38 | Hurrian | maemo wiki seems to be down, can anyone check? |
| 23:36.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm |
| 23:36.55 | GeneralAntilles | Up here. |
| 23:36.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | check what? |
| 23:37.07 | Hurrian | nevermind, seems to be just a small, high-load time |
| 23:37.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wiki.maemo.org |
| 23:45.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | Hurrian: or it was me testing my latest DOS-attack tool ;-P |
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