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| 00:34.06 | Macer | heh |
| 00:34.12 | Macer | my water drives are almost done repairing the raid |
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| 00:34.24 | Macer | WD = water drives |
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| 00:37.40 | Hurrian | speaking of water drives, anyone else heard of HDD watercooling? |
| 00:37.47 | Hurrian | it's maximum rice. |
| 00:49.24 | luke-jr | my N900 battery won't charge anymore :/ |
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| 00:50.04 | beford | at least those batteries are common |
| 00:57.19 | luke-jr | is it the battery or the USB port? >_< |
| 00:59.02 | Hurrian | lukr-jr, power it off, and try to power it on |
| 00:59.10 | Hurrian | by plugging in the USB charger |
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| 01:17.34 | Macer | luke-jr: wooooo!! |
| 01:17.48 | Macer | luke-jr: n900s seem to have so many problems with them.. my sim reader died on me ;) |
| 01:17.55 | Macer | first n900 had the broken usb port problem |
| 01:18.04 | Macer | they just slapped them together and threw them out there |
| 01:18.05 | Macer | lol |
| 01:18.19 | luke-jr | Macer: I soldered my USB port down :/ |
| 01:18.25 | Macer | luke-jr: i just gave into the dark side and got a lumia 900 |
| 01:18.28 | Macer | the beta testing is over :-P |
| 01:18.29 | luke-jr | a what? |
| 01:18.36 | Macer | the wp7 phone |
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| 01:18.42 | luke-jr | wtf is wrong with yoyu |
| 01:18.57 | Macer | got sick of using niche phones and crap ad-droid phones |
| 01:19.04 | Macer | believe it or not.. it's pretty awesome ;) |
| 01:19.46 | Macer | don't judge me... i was 2 steps shy of getting an iphone :-P |
| 01:20.08 | Macer | i got sick of buying phones that break |
| 01:20.14 | Macer | like HTC garbage and N900s heh |
| 01:20.25 | Macer | RIP N900... you served me well |
| 01:20.25 | robbiethe1st | Darn weak point. |
| 01:20.46 | robbiethe1st | Personally, I couldn't stand it. Anything without a root terminal and unlocked bootloader is not for me |
| 01:21.18 | Macer | robbiethe1st: well.. to each their own ;) it was cool when i didn't need something that worked.. but now i do and the lumia 900 works |
| 01:21.23 | robbiethe1st | I mean... Can your Lumia 900 run usb hostmode with a USB->serial adaptor? |
| 01:21.35 | robbiethe1st | Or USB soundcard(for SPDIF out)? |
| 01:21.48 | Macer | no but i honestly don't need those things either |
| 01:22.01 | robbiethe1st | Heck, that's the reason I still can't use my N950 as my main phone... |
| 01:22.25 | robbiethe1st | Cause my N900 has the odd shit I need -- which includes a lot of stuff from easydebian. |
| 01:22.52 | Macer | robbiethe1st: well.. maybe if you're a dev that's great.. but us mere mortals need something that can make sure that i get a data connection with my cell provider :-P |
| 01:23.03 | Macer | and charge without a port breaking off |
| 01:23.38 | robbiethe1st | Actually, erm... I had excellent luck using my N900 for that. Both on-device and USB tethering, it worked absolutely perfectly. But the second is /majorly/ valid. |
| 01:23.40 | Macer | i have an ssh client for irc and doing remote shell based stuff.. that's all i need ;) |
| 01:24.00 | Macer | and a jabber client |
| 01:24.07 | Macer | other than that i need a phone to be a phone |
| 01:24.20 | Macer | the stock stuff in wp7 is fine |
| 01:24.36 | robbiethe1st | Forgive me if I disagree, but... |
| 01:24.38 | Macer | plus.. att was damn near giving them away ;) |
| 01:24.57 | robbiethe1st | Oh, also, I'm not locked into a contract. |
| 01:25.29 | Macer | heh... i was too... i still am for about 3 more months.. i gave the phone to my gf so her son could use it |
| 01:25.32 | Macer | well.. the sim |
| 01:25.59 | Macer | it wasn't wroth paying the extra $100 and she needed something for her son so it actually worked out |
| 01:26.27 | Macer | ah well... i have to head out ;) ttyl .. .but yeah... i still have the n900 with the broken sim but without it being on tmob's 3G network it really isn't worth using |
| 01:26.35 | Macer | and it feels handicapped using it as a nit only |
| 01:26.42 | Macer | now it's just collecting dust |
| 01:27.01 | robbiethe1st | Sad |
| 01:27.06 | Macer | i'll probably ebay it with the broken sim and see if i get any takers.. other than that it's in GREAT condition.. i took great care of it |
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| 01:27.31 | Macer | robbiethe1st: it is.. i'm not saying i didn't love it.. i'm just saying it was time to move on ;) |
| 01:29.11 | Theytookourjobs | is there a roadmap or a release shedule when maemo will have reach stable? |
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| 01:34.07 | Theytookourjobs | I mean, how long is maemo around already? |
| 01:34.28 | merlin1991 | dafuq? |
| 01:34.35 | merlin1991 | maemo is stable, it has seen several releases alreadyx |
| 01:35.10 | Theytookourjobs | merlin1991: now, I can prove it is now the case. |
| 01:36.47 | Theytookourjobs | merlin1991: if you go to maemo.org it states very clearly - MAEMO [BETA] - |
| 01:37.46 | GeneralAntilles | Theytookourjobs, Maemo is discontinued. |
| 01:38.05 | GeneralAntilles | Theytookourjobs, it clearly states: maemo.org beta. |
| 01:38.07 | GeneralAntilles | Lern2reed |
| 01:39.26 | Theytookourjobs | OMG! Then it will never reach stable! |
| 01:39.52 | GeneralAntilles | Theytookourjobs, warning #1 (you only get 1). Quit trolling. Nobody's interested. |
| 01:41.44 | Theytookourjobs | now come on, that isn't really trolling. more or less you should get rid of this [beta]. |
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| 01:48.48 | Theytookourjobs | maemo.org beta, |
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| 01:51.22 | Theytookourjobs | beta |
| 01:51.55 | Theytookourjobs | this beta even has a red background. |
| 01:59.47 | Theytookourjobs | you know, in case nokia will go bankcrupt and the webserver goes offline, I'll write a wikipedia entry "...one reason might be because maemo.org was beta until the very end". no joke. |
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| 02:00.56 | GeneralAntilles | Cripes |
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| 06:12.05 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: we need a +b cleaning day eventually |
| 06:13.45 | DocScrutinizer | almost too much for freenode ;-D |
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| 06:19.48 | DocScrutinizer | oops, IPv6 might be static |
| 06:19.56 | DocScrutinizer | well, let's see |
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| 06:39.38 | ruskie | http://zareason.com/shop/zatab.html |
| 06:39.39 | archeyDevil | Estel_: I don't like mounting via usb for two reasons. A. It makes a part of the storage unavalible to the device it's self and requires udev on my arch to work with the storage correctly (Which doesn't always work with phones in my experience) |
| 06:39.58 | archeyDevil | Sicelo: I'll look into it.. Thanks :) |
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| 06:46.48 | Sicelo | archeyDevil: actually Estel_ meant usb-networking :P |
| 06:47.10 | archeyDevil | Meh. |
| 06:47.20 | archeyDevil | doesn't like teathering through usb :P |
| 06:47.30 | archeyDevil | dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint string:"This is a test" |
| 06:47.38 | archeyDevil | Anyone know how to make that notification message stay? |
| 06:48.32 | DocScrutinizer | use SystemNoteDialog |
| 06:48.42 | DocScrutinizer | instead of SystemNoteInfoprint |
| 06:49.30 | DocScrutinizer | $dbussend --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications \ /org/freedesktop/Notifications \ org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog \ string:"`echo -en "Shutting down 5V supply for USB! Reason:\n$errortext2"`" uint32:0 string:"WARN"; |
| 06:54.53 | archeyDevil | DocScrutinizer: Thanks.. Just one more question... How to get that as a function (shell)? |
| 06:55.07 | archeyDevil | so mesg "this is a message" |
| 06:55.25 | archeyDevil | Maybe a different function name.. mesg is taken :P |
| 06:55.40 | archeyDevil | Just msg then. |
| 06:56.52 | Sicelo | you can also check out `phone-control` package that does (almost) the same with less 'typing' :P |
| 06:57.46 | archeyDevil | Haha |
| 06:58.05 | archeyDevil | so ssh method to use other parts of the phone? |
| 06:58.18 | archeyDevil | What repository? |
| 06:59.42 | archeyDevil | can't find the package :( |
| 06:59.55 | Sicelo | extras, i suppose |
| 07:00.26 | archeyDevil | apt-get install ...? |
| 07:00.35 | archeyDevil | E: Couldn't find package phone-control |
| 07:00.46 | archeyDevil | can't find it in the gui either.. |
| 07:01.04 | archeyDevil | even with the search terms "phone" nor "control" |
| 07:01.39 | archeyDevil | installs qtlockscreen :) |
| 07:01.58 | Sicelo | http://maemo.org/packages/view/phone-control/ |
| 07:03.34 | archeyDevil | It's in extra-devel.. Going to add it :) |
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| 07:06.48 | archeyDevil | Repo added :)_ |
| 07:08.00 | archeyDevil | Nokia-N900:~# apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get install phone-control |
| 07:08.02 | archeyDevil | :) |
| 07:09.14 | archeyDevil | cutetube updated overnight? o.O |
| 07:09.20 | archeyDevil | hopes it works for downloading now :) |
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| 07:21.38 | archeyDevil | how to use phone-control --ledon Sicelo ? |
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| 07:23.54 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control |
| 07:26.54 | archeyDevil | o.O Thanks |
| 07:28.56 | archeyDevil | Possible to change what colors for what events? And create new events? ( For the led ) |
| 07:29.27 | DocScrutinizer | err, the notification led? |
| 07:29.34 | archeyDevil | Yea. |
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| 07:31.52 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/LED_patterns |
| 07:32.13 | DocScrutinizer | etc/mce/mce.ini |
| 07:33.38 | archeyDevil | Hmm. |
| 07:34.13 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/LED_Pattern_Editor |
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| 07:44.28 | archeyDevil | There better alternatives to qtlockscreen? |
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| 07:49.33 | Sicelo | gosh.. archeyDevil - careful with apt-get upgrade, especially with devel enable |
| 07:49.56 | archeyDevil | Sicelo: XD I gave it lower priority. |
| 07:50.15 | archeyDevil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel -- Mentions it |
| 07:51.25 | archeyDevil | At the end of the page. |
| 07:52.00 | Sicelo | i know, lol |
| 07:52.30 | archeyDevil | :) |
| 07:52.45 | archeyDevil | isn't a complete debian noob :P |
| 07:53.04 | archeyDevil | used to run with Debian for his desktop.... Since I tried Arch; No going back :D |
| 07:53.05 | DocScrutinizer | maemo != debian |
| 07:53.23 | archeyDevil | DocScrutinizer: Ture. However, apt-get == debian.pkgmgr |
| 07:53.56 | DocScrutinizer | but maemo / nokia repo is a bit... unusual |
| 07:54.06 | archeyDevil | True. |
| 07:54.13 | archeyDevil | Debian freemantle correct? |
| 07:54.21 | archeyDevil | Or is that the maemo version? |
| 07:54.31 | archeyDevil | doesn't remember freemantle in debian history. |
| 07:54.39 | DocScrutinizer | fremantle |
| 07:54.52 | DocScrutinizer | fremantle is maemo5 |
| 07:54.53 | archeyDevil | s,ee,e, |
| 07:54.58 | archeyDevil | Okay :) |
| 07:55.08 | archeyDevil | Maemo going to get out of beta? ;) |
| 07:55.15 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 07:55.34 | archeyDevil | http://maemo.org/ The header :P |
| 07:55.36 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles kicked somebody for that question like 6h ago |
| 07:55.38 | archeyDevil | beta |
| 07:56.21 | archeyDevil | wonders why it says beta yet almost no development since 2011 (afaik) |
| 07:56.24 | DocScrutinizer | maemo.org seems got a bit messed up lately |
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| 07:56.53 | archeyDevil | Okay.. |
| 07:56.55 | DocScrutinizer | anyway that beta never was about maemo, it always been about the website |
| 07:57.02 | archeyDevil | Ohhh. |
| 07:57.05 | archeyDevil | Fair enough. |
| 07:57.54 | DocScrutinizer | and I honestly wonder who messed up maemo.org html again |
| 07:58.06 | archeyDevil | wonders if anyone has openssh on their maemo device and don't have passwords disabled... :P (Very unsecure assuming data plan w enough signal) |
| 07:58.33 | DocScrutinizer | there's no way to use ssh without password |
| 07:58.45 | archeyDevil | Yes there is.. |
| 07:58.56 | archeyDevil | ssh-keygen; ssh-copy-id etc |
| 07:59.23 | archeyDevil | blocked password login for ssh. Keys required. |
| 07:59.27 | archeyDevil | key * |
| 07:59.42 | DocScrutinizer | oops, sorry I misread |
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| 07:59.51 | archeyDevil | has keys for all his computers ( and now phone ) |
| 07:59.52 | DocScrutinizer | paswords DISabled |
| 08:00.10 | eddyb | this is weird, ~/MyDocs is read-only, how did that happen? |
| 08:00.30 | archeyDevil | is root so doesn't notice ;) |
| 08:00.50 | archeyDevil | drwxrwxrwx 14 user root 65536 May 21 17:26 MyDocs |
| 08:01.02 | archeyDevil | eddyb: just chown 700 to the folder. |
| 08:01.06 | psycho_oreos | eddyb, unclean mount? |
| 08:01.11 | eddyb | no idea |
| 08:01.12 | archeyDevil | knows that is 777 but fixing that up now. |
| 08:01.13 | psycho_oreos | that's a bad idea |
| 08:01.16 | eddyb | why is it vfat? |
| 08:01.20 | archeyDevil | chmod 700 * |
| 08:01.36 | psycho_oreos | for users who have windows PC or otherwise non-*nix based PC |
| 08:01.41 | eddyb | but... |
| 08:01.52 | eddyb | how do I copy 13GB of files onto it, then? |
| 08:02.17 | archeyDevil | used sshfs |
| 08:02.47 | archeyDevil | apt-get install openssh; sshfs from desktop. Mounted phone via ssh. |
| 08:02.52 | psycho_oreos | eddyb, remount it as rw, make sure no other programs are using it.. though I'd still check dmesg |
| 08:03.09 | psycho_oreos | sshfs won't work even if the fs is mounted as read-only.. not even root can write to it |
| 08:03.37 | eddyb | I managed to delete some files |
| 08:03.47 | eddyb | but not copy others |
| 08:04.24 | eddyb | now, the app (evopedia) can only load files from one of the vfat partitions |
| 08:04.30 | eddyb | and my files are 13GB |
| 08:04.40 | eddyb | that won't fit in a vfat partition |
| 08:04.41 | eddyb | :( |
| 08:04.45 | archeyDevil | psycho_oreos: True... |
| 08:04.54 | archeyDevil | eddyb: df -h |
| 08:04.58 | eddyb | hmm? |
| 08:05.20 | archeyDevil | Ehh. dw |
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| 08:05.28 | archeyDevil | crys at df w busybox |
| 08:05.56 | archeyDevil | no -T :'( |
| 08:06.04 | psycho_oreos | ~messybox |
| 08:06.04 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 08:06.17 | psycho_oreos | is certain someone else would agree in here ;) |
| 08:06.36 | archeyDevil | knows it's type not giving read/write mode for the mount |
| 08:06.36 | eddyb | how the heck has a FAT partition 25GB? |
| 08:06.58 | archeyDevil | eddyb: Nokia n900? |
| 08:07.01 | psycho_oreos | I've installed bash along with many other proper utils, though from time to time I do use busybox-power (not busybox standard package) and regular gnutools |
| 08:07.33 | archeyDevil | eddyb: Nokia N900, comes with that partition like that so it can be unmounted for windows/non-nix systems to mount it via usb/mass-storage. |
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| 08:07.57 | eddyb | but FAT32 has a limit of 4GB |
| 08:08.03 | archeyDevil | E: Couldn't find package zsh |
| 08:08.05 | archeyDevil | cries. |
| 08:08.22 | psycho_oreos | for single file sizes yes.. but you that doesn't mean you can make it purely ext3 (though with some hacks) |
| 08:08.22 | eddyb | user "user" is not allowed to run umount |
| 08:08.23 | archeyDevil | eddyb: No it doesn't. |
| 08:08.36 | psycho_oreos | eddyb, sudo or do it as root |
| 08:08.46 | eddyb | archeyDevil: hmm, I thought it did |
| 08:08.54 | psycho_oreos | archeyDevil, I think ruskie has zsh via his repo (though I don't think it was stable) |
| 08:08.55 | archeyDevil | wonders which he should have installed? rootsh or gainroot? |
| 08:08.56 | eddyb | psycho_oreos: that's what sudo says |
| 08:09.13 | psycho_oreos | eddyb, try getting a root console instead |
| 08:09.15 | archeyDevil | psycho_oreos: Interesting.. However, not stable.. I'm not using it :) |
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| 08:09.18 | ruskie | yeah I have zsh |
| 08:09.22 | ruskie | what do you mean stable? |
| 08:09.25 | archeyDevil | pftt.. What am I talking about.. Gimme zsh :) |
| 08:09.34 | eddyb | psycho_oreos: how? |
| 08:10.02 | archeyDevil | psycho_oreos: install rootsh or gainroot (I just asked which is prefured; don't know which, I'm using rootsh here) |
| 08:10.08 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, *shrugs* I recall you had it under `broken' part of your repository but *shrugs* its been a long while since I last checked |
| 08:10.12 | psycho_oreos | eddyb, sudo -i |
| 08:10.27 | archeyDevil | ruskie: Whats your repo info? |
| 08:10.32 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, the broken stuff is something else ;) |
| 08:10.37 | archeyDevil | is new to maemo btw. ( Not Linux ) |
| 08:10.54 | ruskie | archeyDevil, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie |
| 08:10.57 | ruskie | should all be there |
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| 08:11.05 | archeyDevil | is used to Arch Linux ( And other Linux systems such as Debian, Slack, etc. Oh and BSD's too ) |
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| 08:11.08 | archeyDevil | :) |
| 08:11.11 | archeyDevil | ruskie: thanks |
| 08:11.36 | psycho_oreos | archeyDevil, I'm personally neither :) I just use R&D mode and access gainroot from there if needed be but these days my sudo automatically takes care of that |
| 08:11.37 | eddyb | user "user" is apparently not allowed to run anything |
| 08:11.41 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, ahh I see |
| 08:12.09 | archeyDevil | psycho_oreos: Fair enough. |
| 08:12.10 | psycho_oreos | eddyb, its a logical security feature.. obviously synonymous with every other regular linux distro out there |
| 08:12.19 | eddyb | ... |
| 08:12.30 | archeyDevil | eddyb: app manager, install rootsh or gainroot |
| 08:12.32 | eddyb | it's the message sudo gives me |
| 08:12.34 | eddyb | okay |
| 08:12.48 | archeyDevil | zsh - just don't set it as your default shell |
| 08:13.00 | archeyDevil | ruskie: What about default for root and have another user toor? :) |
| 08:13.01 | eddyb | time to wait another half an hour for the app manager to load] |
| 08:13.31 | archeyDevil | eddyb: XD it's slow.. Once you have installed it just use apt-get to install from the command line.. FAR FASTER :D |
| 08:14.13 | eddyb | is the password for root the same as for user? |
| 08:14.16 | ruskie | archeyDevil, I have some stuff in my .ashrc that auto executes zsh on ssh and I have a custom shortcut for the terminal |
| 08:14.18 | psycho_oreos | eddyb, what about sudo gainroot? I assume you don't have openssh-daemon, rootsh or gainroot installed |
| 08:14.19 | eddyb | because it seemed to have worked |
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| 08:14.28 | eddyb | I have only openssh |
| 08:14.31 | archeyDevil | ruskie: Nice :) |
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| 08:14.50 | psycho_oreos | eddyb, if it has worked you should get a root prompt |
| 08:15.04 | eddyb | hmm, the user password doesn't work for root in sftp |
| 08:15.26 | eddyb | but it "works" for sudo, except sudo thinks I'm too stupid to touch anything as root |
| 08:15.35 | archeyDevil | ruskie: haha, My remove list :D |
| 08:15.36 | psycho_oreos | eddyb, normally iinm it should be the password you set when you installed openssh-client-server |
| 08:16.06 | eddyb | well, I set a password |
| 08:16.08 | archeyDevil | ruskie: You have a screencast of your phone (from boot onwards)? |
| 08:16.09 | psycho_oreos | well I'd change password for root and you'll have ssh/sftp access via root |
| 08:16.10 | eddyb | and it works for user |
| 08:16.14 | ruskie | archeyDevil, nope |
| 08:16.16 | eddyb | and root in sudo |
| 08:16.19 | archeyDevil | ruskie: D: |
| 08:16.19 | eddyb | but not root in ssh |
| 08:16.50 | psycho_oreos | yeah you'll need to set passwd for root.. by default the passwd for root is `rootme' |
| 08:17.21 | archeyDevil | ruskie: Your maemo device.. Nokia n900? |
| 08:17.37 | eddyb | rootsh is gainroot, btw |
| 08:17.46 | ruskie | archeyDevil, yup |
| 08:17.50 | archeyDevil | ruskie: :) |
| 08:17.57 | archeyDevil | got his Nokia n900 yesterday :D |
| 08:18.04 | archeyDevil | eBay AU$120 |
| 08:18.07 | psycho_oreos | *shrugs* like I said, I only use R&D mode and gainroot works well |
| 08:18.49 | psycho_oreos | 2 years back and you would have looked somewhere almost three times that price |
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| 08:19.08 | eddyb | umount/mount as root (with gainroot) worked :D |
| 08:19.10 | eddyb | thanks guys :D |
| 08:19.32 | archeyDevil | psycho_oreos: R&D? |
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| 08:19.46 | eddyb | what, 8h :|? |
| 08:19.49 | psycho_oreos | eddyb, I'd still check dmesg as to why it was mounted ro, I'm certain only if the FS is uncleanly mounted for instance would make it remount as ro |
| 08:20.27 | psycho_oreos | archeyDevil, research and development.. a mode that can only be enabled via flasher tool (and linux only). Though its not recommended for average/daily use (though personally I really don't care :)) |
| 08:20.39 | psycho_oreos | eddyb, 8h? |
| 08:20.58 | archeyDevil | psycho_oreos: Haha. So development maemo version? |
| 08:21.17 | eddyb | psycho_oreos: to copy those 13GB |
| 08:21.20 | archeyDevil | ruskie: What does your bootmenu change for you? |
| 08:21.36 | ruskie | archeyDevil, just gives me a shell and ssh though it's untested really |
| 08:21.38 | eddyb | psycho_oreos: apparently a FAT entry beyond EOF |
| 08:21.43 | ruskie | I think I tried it once or twice |
| 08:21.53 | archeyDevil | ruskie: Haha. |
| 08:21.57 | archeyDevil | So no X? |
| 08:22.00 | ruskie | nope |
| 08:22.05 | ruskie | it's meant to recover the system |
| 08:22.06 | psycho_oreos | archeyDevil, not so much development but it just adds some fancy verbose messages at boot plus maybe slightly more verbose stuff in dmesg and other things.. again not really recommended for average joe as it may also drain battery |
| 08:22.21 | ruskie | it also requires fbcon |
| 08:22.25 | psycho_oreos | eddyb, yeah I'd run fsck imo |
| 08:23.07 | archeyDevil | ruskie: Yea, fbcon? Isn't that just for framebuffers on the console? ( i.e console background? ) |
| 08:23.34 | psycho_oreos | archeyDevil, R&D mode is also used when one cannot boot their device regularly as it can be used to disable/bypass certain hardware features, such as hw watchdog |
| 08:24.00 | archeyDevil | psycho_oreos: How to flash the whole phone? |
| 08:24.07 | psycho_oreos | ~flashing |
| 08:24.07 | infobot | somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 08:24.12 | psycho_oreos | ^ |
| 08:24.38 | archeyDevil | psycho_oreos: I mean. On the keyboard while booting.. Flash from image on the device as normal phones? |
| 08:24.54 | archeyDevil | Not giving it custom firmware |
| 08:25.16 | psycho_oreos | archeyDevil, flashing on the keyboard? you mean like LED flashes on the keyboard? |
| 08:25.23 | archeyDevil | psycho_oreos: No.. |
| 08:25.41 | archeyDevil | means, during boot. wipe the phone so it's the default image ( as from manufacture ) |
| 08:26.19 | archeyDevil | just wiped his Nokia n95 by mistake D: |
| 08:26.22 | archeyDevil | Lol |
| 08:26.33 | psycho_oreos | well that's done through flashing as pointed above... you can't flash the device once it enters into operational state.. there are certain conditions which has to be met for one to enter flash mode at boot |
| 08:27.14 | archeyDevil | psycho_oreos: I know.. I was asking during the boot. ( as you press the on button ) What buttons to also hold to flash/reset/wipe the phone? |
| 08:27.41 | psycho_oreos | n95 is a different case, the last time I flashed it was using nokia suite and that was to update.. there's a software called phoenix flasher which apparently is used by nokia technicians.. and there's firmwares for n95 floating around.. I think cpkb.org is one site where you maybe able to obtain info |
| 08:27.53 | archeyDevil | isn't going to do it now. ( Got all my music; just would be great if I do brick it :P ) |
| 08:28.09 | archeyDevil | psycho_oreos: n95 is too easy to reset/flash/wipe. |
| 08:28.15 | archeyDevil | n900 on the other hand.. How? |
| 08:28.20 | psycho_oreos | archeyDevil, for N900 its the letter U, but you hold it down as soon as you see USB icon |
| 08:28.25 | psycho_oreos | again its noted on the wiki |
| 08:28.59 | archeyDevil | can't find it on the wiki.... |
| 08:29.12 | archeyDevil | N900: While holding the u key, connect the N900 to your computer via USB. Wait until you see a dim screen on your N900 with a Nokia logo in the middle of your screen with an USB icon in the top right corner. Note: You may not need to hold the U key - it seems to automatically flash if the flasher is ready at boot time. |
| 08:29.17 | archeyDevil | :D |
| 08:29.20 | archeyDevil | Found it :P |
| 08:29.27 | archeyDevil | / u |
| 08:29.27 | psycho_oreos | I was about to paste that exact same line :þ |
| 08:29.28 | archeyDevil | :) |
| 08:29.37 | archeyDevil | psycho_oreos: haha |
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| 08:30.05 | psycho_oreos | archeyDevil, I'd also take note of the paragraph directly below the one you just pasted |
| 08:30.19 | archeyDevil | psycho_oreos: already read. |
| 08:30.37 | archeyDevil | Not really much as it's just obvious. |
| 08:30.42 | archeyDevil | imho |
| 08:31.17 | psycho_oreos | true but not all people realises that and complain (and you get all these tmo threads) |
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| 08:31.46 | archeyDevil | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie - My remove list -- Anything in that list that I'd have to consider removing or not? (Looks legit to me) |
| 08:32.17 | archeyDevil | will leave adobe flash for the pure fact that cutetube doesn't want to work.. |
| 08:32.59 | archeyDevil | might try out another alt |
| 08:33.23 | ruskie | archeyDevil, I use youtube-dl |
| 08:33.40 | archeyDevil | modest -- Thats the email client right? |
| 08:33.44 | archeyDevil | keeps that :P |
| 08:34.07 | archeyDevil | Maybe remove the other language packs.. |
| 08:34.27 | archeyDevil | nokiamessaging -- Whats this? |
| 08:37.12 | archeyDevil | Nokia-N900:~# apt-get install ytube qmltube mytube |
| 08:37.17 | archeyDevil | tests out a few :) |
| 08:37.25 | archeyDevil | After this operation, 42.1MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 08:37.27 | archeyDevil | XD |
| 08:37.45 | archeyDevil | thats more than my average archlinux update. |
| 08:38.02 | archeyDevil | stops talking alone. |
| 08:41.49 | archeyDevil | ruskie: ezitext-english-us You removed this.. There other english? |
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| 08:44.19 | ruskie | archeyDevil, I don't use ezitext at all |
| 08:44.59 | archeyDevil | Okay |
| 08:45.04 | Sicelo | archeyDevil: flashing using hardware button is not actually flashing.. it's just a deep reset .. most usually seen on symbian devices |
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| 08:52.59 | archeyDevil | What is ezitext? |
| 08:53.17 | archeyDevil | ruskie: |
| 08:54.58 | archeyDevil | hates it when ssh stops replying for his phone -.- |
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| 08:59.35 | archeyDevil | thanks xargs :D |
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| 09:02.42 | archeyDevil | stdin http://sprunge.us/eCHM?text |
| 09:02.46 | archeyDevil | wth? |
| 09:02.55 | archeyDevil | It won't let me uninstall them! D: |
| 09:04.57 | archeyDevil | :) --yes |
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| 09:12.26 | archeyDevil | just removed one very nice feature from maemo :P Just got one desktop/workspace :P |
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| 09:14.58 | archeyDevil | apt-get install aircrack-ng |
| 09:15.02 | archeyDevil | Ahh.. Whoops |
| 09:15.22 | psycho_oreos | needs more than just that |
| 09:16.08 | archeyDevil | psycho_oreos: What? aircrack? |
| 09:16.50 | psycho_oreos | archeyDevil, yes aircrack-ng needs more than just installing that package alone in order for one to gain benefits |
| 09:17.23 | archeyDevil | True; What to install though? ( Used to backtrack just having it ) |
| 09:17.49 | psycho_oreos | kernel power + lxp `bleeding edge' drivers |
| 09:18.02 | archeyDevil | Eh. |
| 09:18.19 | archeyDevil | psycho_oreos: Serious, needs custom kernel? |
| 09:18.25 | psycho_oreos | that's just the standard stuff, there's an optional stuff you can install which will allow you to switch between wireless drivers on the fly |
| 09:18.26 | archeyDevil | And more drivers? |
| 09:18.40 | psycho_oreos | archeyDevil, for injection support yes.. |
| 09:18.41 | archeyDevil | o.O |
| 09:18.59 | archeyDevil | doesn't really need to inject. But yes, I guess thats a great feature. |
| 09:19.16 | archeyDevil | might get a ubertooth so might be monitoring bluetooth too :) |
| 09:19.23 | psycho_oreos | aireplay-ng requires injection and aireplay-ng is part of aircrack-ng suite |
| 09:20.02 | psycho_oreos | there's kismet and bluetooth plugin I think in the repos |
| 09:20.03 | archeyDevil | psycho_oreos: What do I run to get these extra drivers ( and otf driver switcher? ) |
| 09:20.52 | psycho_oreos | archeyDevil, there's a thread (well a fair few to be frank) that discusses where to get lxp's drivers. From memory I think its http://david.gnedt.eu/ |
| 09:21.30 | psycho_oreos | otf driver switcher was by another bloke, I can't remember the name of the package but I think it was written by ossipena (tmo handle) |
| 09:21.42 | archeyDevil | http://david.gnedt.eu/blog/2010/12/28/bleeding-edge-wl1251-driver-for-maemo-fremantle/ |
| 09:21.46 | archeyDevil | :) |
| 09:22.05 | psycho_oreos | you'll still need kp anyway |
| 09:25.04 | psycho_oreos | and kp adds things like USB hostmode which is directly related to your desires in wanting to attach ubertooth to yer N900 |
| 09:26.08 | archeyDevil | might continue this tomorrow. I have to go now.. Cya |
| 09:26.53 | psycho_oreos | cya |
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| 10:13.58 | narcos | Hey all. I've installed openvpn, and am trying to start it via the command line with "/etc/init.d/openvpn start" |
| 10:14.17 | narcos | The message I get is "Starting virtual private network daemon: Autostart disabled." |
| 10:14.38 | narcos | And no VPN seems to come up, and the above messages seems like it should only be a warning |
| 10:15.15 | MohammadAG | Well considering the script is used for autostart... |
| 10:15.22 | MohammadAG | pastebin it |
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| 10:16.17 | cityLights | narcos: you should define a vpn acording to the debian guide lines |
| 10:16.33 | cityLights | where did you put the vpn config files? |
| 10:17.33 | narcos | MohammadAG: Here's the autostart script, which is just the default one which ships with the installation |
| 10:18.09 | narcos | cityLights: I can start the openvpn fine manually, "openvpn --config /etc/openvpn.conf" |
| 10:18.35 | cityLights | right, I remember I had to run it manually |
| 10:18.44 | cityLights | and fixed the script... let me see |
| 10:18.54 | narcos | ahhhh |
| 10:19.12 | narcos | cityLights: That'd be awesome :) |
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| 10:28.22 | cityLights | narcos: I need 1hr to get the script |
| 10:29.45 | narcos | cityLights: Phew, big config file ;-) |
| 10:29.59 | narcos | cityLights: But no worries, I'll be around |
| 10:30.14 | narcos | cityLights: I appreciate your help |
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| 10:37.40 | cityLights | pls check the talk.maemo.org for openvpn, I think I may have posted it |
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| 10:44.06 | narcos | cityLights: Checking... |
| 10:49.36 | narcos | cityLights: Not finding it... |
| 10:57.06 | cityLights | ok, keep tuned |
| 10:58.25 | cityLights | btw, you may use a widget to run the vpn config you want |
| 10:58.33 | cityLights | there is a openvpn widget |
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| 11:38.17 | narcos | cityLights: Naww I need to do stuff from CLI |
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| 11:43.45 | MohammadAG | andre__: #maemo-bugs's dead right? |
| 11:44.19 | andre__ | MohammadAG, yes |
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| 12:27.11 | cityLights | narcos: I think I just ran it manually from the cli |
| 12:27.42 | cityLights | is this also your version: |
| 12:27.44 | cityLights | 85f23f875a45f38c6fcd22d236d67647 /etc/init.d/openvpn |
| 12:28.01 | cityLights | pls run: md5sum /etc/init.d/openvpn and post the line |
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| 12:38.37 | teotwaki | heh |
| 12:38.40 | teotwaki | Chrome beats IE. |
| 12:38.45 | teotwaki | http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-weekly-201121-201221 |
| 12:40.21 | jacekowski | well, google did some pretty heavy marketing |
| 12:41.46 | chem|st | teotwaki: most downloads from IE - mozilla firefox; most initial searches with bling - mozilla firefox |
| 12:41.57 | chem|st | ehrm bing |
| 12:42.17 | jacekowski | firefox is shit |
| 12:42.36 | jacekowski | i'm not sure if you noticed that firefox is losing users as well |
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| 12:44.09 | chem|st | jacekowski: firefox is eating RAM |
| 12:44.20 | chem|st | and getting slow... |
| 12:46.53 | narcos | cityLights: 27b6481561705b9e744da6a6d4b6957b /etc/init.d/openvpn |
| 12:46.59 | narcos | Not the same it seems |
| 12:47.18 | narcos | cityLights: So yeah, I think I'll just do a "openvpn --config /etc/openvpn.conf" |
| 12:47.30 | cityLights | I think its what I did |
| 12:47.47 | cityLights | let me post my init |
| 12:48.36 | narcos | k cool :) |
| 12:50.34 | narcos | Also, what's the best way to install dhcpd3-server on the maemo? I don't like udhcpd |
| 12:50.41 | narcos | (N900) |
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| 12:55.56 | cityLights | narcos: http://dpaste.com/750758/ |
| 12:58.38 | jacekowski | chem|st: that's nothing new |
| 12:58.45 | jacekowski | chem|st: it's been doing that for years |
| 12:59.32 | Sicelo | narcos: server? iirc dnsmasq is on by default |
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| 13:01.58 | narcos | cityLights: Thanks! |
| 13:02.41 | narcos | Sicelo: I want to hand out dhcp leases on my hotspot. I'm using udhcpd at the moment |
| 13:03.03 | Sicelo | N900 will hand the IP's out? |
| 13:04.05 | narcos | yeah |
| 13:05.24 | narcos | cityLights: |
| 13:05.25 | narcos | Nokia-N900:/etc/openvpn# /etc/init.d/openvpn start |
| 13:05.26 | narcos | Starting virtual private network daemon: Autostart disabled. |
| 13:05.36 | narcos | With your config |
| 13:05.37 | narcos | Hmm |
| 13:06.20 | Sicelo | dnsmasq can handle that .. examples are here ..http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_PirateBox, http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_router |
| 13:09.49 | narcos | Sicelo: ok thanks |
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| 13:32.25 | narcos | So, for example, I did want to install dhcpd3-server instead of dnsmasq (for existing configs etc) - could I? |
| 13:32.32 | narcos | I can't seem to find a .deb |
| 13:32.59 | Sicelo | definitely not in any repos -- you can roll out your own :P |
| 13:33.29 | narcos | Sicelo: Not sure what you mean by rolling out my own :) |
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| 13:34.24 | cityLights | he means you can get the source to a development env then make build it |
| 13:38.58 | narcos | ah |
| 13:39.00 | narcos | gotcha |
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| 14:20.40 | juozapas | hi i'm looking for n900 charger circuit. I guess it's similar to iphone charger, it uses not only vcc and gnd but data lines too. anyway, maybe someone has any experience with that ? |
| 14:21.04 | joga | juozapas afaik, you just need to short the data pins |
| 14:21.49 | joga | I just recently built a ghetto solar charger for usb stuff and just soldered the two middle pins together, it worked at least |
| 14:22.40 | joga | but to do a fast charging circuit, I don't know about that |
| 14:22.52 | juozapas | i found that many iphone users put resistors between data lines and vcc gnd |
| 14:23.33 | Sicelo | afaik it's joga's design which is correct for N900 |
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| 14:27.34 | merlin1991 | juozapas: iphone is fucked up |
| 14:27.40 | merlin1991 | n900 follows the usb specs |
| 14:28.02 | merlin1991 | thus short that datalines to make the phone recognize your circuit as a "dumb" charger |
| 14:28.26 | jacekowski | well, as much as i hate to say that, apple way of detecting charger is better |
| 14:28.45 | juozapas | :/ |
| 14:28.59 | merlin1991 | jacekowski: what do they do actually? |
| 14:29.14 | jacekowski | 2.5V on data lines |
| 14:29.30 | jacekowski | through iirc 10k resistors from VCC and GND |
| 14:29.41 | jacekowski | rather than dead short |
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| 14:30.43 | jacekowski | http://www.ladyada.net/images/mintyboost/usb4res.png |
| 14:30.56 | jacekowski | 2.06V and 2.76V |
| 14:31.52 | juozapas | fuck i have to make new pcb now.. |
| 14:32.20 | jacekowski | that way you can always add easy signaling later on |
| 14:32.24 | jacekowski | to signal higher powered charger |
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| 14:42.49 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: did you have an eye on tizen? intel and samsung are promising to bring netbooks (in Q3) and smartphones (in Q4) |
| 14:43.36 | juozapas | is it save to charge other devices (like ebook readers, ipod, camera, gps) with data lines shorted ? |
| 14:45.27 | flux | tizen was that web2.0 mobile platform? |
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| 14:52.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | yay |
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| 14:52.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: nope |
| 14:52.32 | GeneralAntilles | ^ we probably shouldn't ban him for more than 24 hours. |
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| 14:52.50 | chem|st | juozapas: it is the USB standard to do so |
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| 14:53.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | whom? pupnik? |
| 14:53.03 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 14:53.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | he asked for permanent ban |
| 14:53.10 | chem|st | o.O |
| 14:53.13 | GeneralAntilles | Did he? |
| 14:53.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep actrually |
| 14:53.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | gently and honest |
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| 14:53.46 | GeneralAntilles | Ah well, hopefully he's over it. |
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| 14:54.00 | MohammadAG | haven't seen him for a while |
| 14:54.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/gently/polite/ |
| 14:54.09 | chem|st | juozapas: the n900 is the only device I know not charging, but chargers should have datalines crossed |
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| 14:55.11 | chem|st | flux: LiMo+MeeGo+Intel+Samsung=Tizen |
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| 14:55.38 | GeneralAntilles | OK, keeping the bot bans |
| 14:56.53 | juozapas | chem|st: what do u mean 'not charging'? if i understand corect it should charge when data lines are crossed |
| 14:58.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | feels reminded at 'orbit cleaning day' as introduced by 'Max Headroom' |
| 15:01.00 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, whos is pupnik? what he did to earn ban? ;) |
| 15:01.26 | merlin1991 | Estel_: be happy not to know :D |
| 15:01.58 | Woody14619 | USB2 standard is 200mA at plugin, which is enough to charge most devices when idle (including N900). After negotiation (or proper detection, like shorted data pins) amperage draw can go up to 500mA. |
| 15:02.28 | Estel_ | Woody14619, I always heard of 100 mA @ plugin |
| 15:02.34 | Estel_ | and 500 after neg. |
| 15:03.05 | Estel_ | and after shorted data pins, it can go up to 1.8A |
| 15:03.06 | Estel_ | as per usb dedicated charging pin spec |
| 15:03.29 | GeneralAntilles | Estel_, he's a Maemo legend. |
| 15:03.31 | Estel_ | negotiation - 500mA, crossed data - 1.8A (up to) |
| 15:03.37 | GeneralAntilles | Estel_, one of the original emulator guys. |
| 15:04.07 | Estel_ | thats why I asked, I like legends. Less interested in him (or totally not interested), interested in story behind it |
| 15:04.42 | Woody14619 | Estel_, my bad, you are correct, spec is min of 100mA. Most PCs offer 200mA though. |
| 15:05.54 | Woody14619 | Estel_: Though USB2 max spec is 900mA. USB3 I believe goes up to 1.8A. |
| 15:05.55 | Estel_ | nods |
| 15:06.18 | Estel_ | arghhh, damn fm radio program, it keeps stucking on heavy swap usage |
| 15:06.55 | Estel_ | I would be very grateful for proper fm radio implementation (utilising allowed passthrough to jack/speakera without working on cpu power) |
| 15:07.04 | Estel_ | No idea why it wasn't ever implemented :/ |
| 15:07.19 | MohammadAG | max is 900? |
| 15:07.25 | Woody14619 | Mind you, shorted data pins means no negotiations, and the 900mA is max negotiable power by USB2 spec. So... you could run 5A over it if you wanted in your custom app, but be prepared for it to not work with most chargers. ;) |
| 15:07.44 | MohammadAG | Nokia's charger outputs 1200mA |
| 15:07.55 | Estel_ | we have one FM radio program with fancy UI, yet bugged as hell |
| 15:08.10 | MohammadAG | which is? |
| 15:08.25 | jacekowski | Woody14619: well, usb specs makes a provision of "negotiation" of current by limiting voltage |
| 15:08.27 | Estel_ | Woody14619, I'm absolutely sure 1.8 A is max as per USB *dedicated charging* port specification |
| 15:08.47 | Estel_ | btw, all dumb chargers with usb port are dedicated charging ports |
| 15:09.21 | Estel_ | ...as usb specified dedicated charging port can't be used for normal usb connection = got data pins shorted solid = it's dumb charger in reality |
| 15:09.54 | Estel_ | ...coming back to radio thread, we got another radio ap in qt, also working on cpu, but only mono due to bugs in qt... |
| 15:10.13 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, "FM Radio" is bugged as hell |
| 15:10.23 | Estel_ | this one with interface looking like old radio |
| 15:10.28 | Woody14619 | Estel_, while that may be the concesus amoung manufactures, it's not part of the USB2 spec. (But then neither is shorting the data pins, other then saying that applications must be able to handle that.) |
| 15:10.30 | chem|st | juozapas: dumb chargers do not negotiate so they have to have crossed datalines for n900s to charge at all |
| 15:10.35 | Estel_ | with kinetic scrolling of frequency |
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| 15:11.19 | Estel_ | Woody14619, I remember reading about "dedicated" (aka dumb) charging port in usb specification |
| 15:11.23 | Estel_ | no idea where, honestly |
| 15:11.33 | jacekowski | nope |
| 15:11.45 | jacekowski | there is separate spec for usb charging |
| 15:11.58 | Woody14619 | May have been an addendum at some point, but it's not part of the actual USB spec. |
| 15:12.10 | Estel_ | ... why the hell no one uses capability of our radio module (analog passthrough without involving cpu yet controlable from userland = from program) |
| 15:12.14 | Estel_ | jacekowski, thanks |
| 15:12.25 | Estel_ | agree |
| 15:12.48 | jacekowski | look people |
| 15:12.55 | jacekowski | spec is public |
| 15:12.55 | Estel_ | btw under my desktop I got 20A usb charging port :P |
| 15:12.56 | jacekowski | just read it |
| 15:13.01 | jacekowski | http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/usb_20_101111.zip |
| 15:13.07 | jacekowski | http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/usb_30_spec_022412.zip |
| 15:13.16 | jacekowski | all docs are there |
| 15:13.18 | Woody14619 | Is there a coper path from the radio output to the jack or speakers? |
| 15:13.26 | jacekowski | Woody14619: no |
| 15:13.30 | Estel_ | Woody14619, sec, I'll find refference link |
| 15:13.46 | Estel_ | unless jacekowski remeber it exactly |
| 15:14.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | usb charging supplement |
| 15:14.04 | jacekowski | it's in that zip |
| 15:14.12 | Estel_ | jacekowski, but I'm not talking bullshit about analog passthrough, yep? |
| 15:14.13 | Woody14619 | jacekowski, Thanks. Yes, I've got a copy of that, but have read mainly the parts I've care about for projects. It's a rather dry/boring read for the most part. |
| 15:14.32 | jacekowski | Estel_: bit pointless |
| 15:14.36 | Estel_ | why? |
| 15:14.37 | jacekowski | Estel_: it doesn't use a lot of cpu power |
| 15:14.49 | jacekowski | as long as you don't involve PA |
| 15:15.05 | Estel_ | but still = shorten battery life using fm radio. and, what's more important to me... |
| 15:15.14 | Estel_ | this thing stutters/freeze on swap usage |
| 15:15.23 | Estel_ | analog passthrough should free us from that |
| 15:15.44 | jacekowski | well, that's because implementation is shit |
| 15:15.49 | Estel_ | goddamn useless android phones are known for playing radio stutterless even if os hangs up almost completely |
| 15:16.03 | jacekowski | yes, because implementation isn't so fucked up |
| 15:16.11 | jacekowski | n900 uses piece of shit called PA |
| 15:16.24 | Estel_ | but they're using passthrough. If i start fm radio on N900 and android, N900 is half second delayed due to processing on cpu |
| 15:16.27 | jacekowski | with plain alsa it could have been done in 3 lines of code that could have been easily mlocked |
| 15:16.36 | Estel_ | I see. |
| 15:16.39 | jacekowski | Estel_: again, that's because shit called PA |
| 15:16.48 | Estel_ | ok, but analog passthrough take us out of PA too, yep? |
| 15:16.58 | Estel_ | I see and understand. |
| 15:16.59 | jacekowski | yes, but that's not required |
| 15:17.12 | jacekowski | you still want notifications and audio from other apps |
| 15:17.22 | jacekowski | so you can't just change over |
| 15:17.26 | Estel_ | ok, but implementing passthrough is much more complicated that implementing pa-free on-cpu processing? |
| 15:17.52 | jacekowski | yes |
| 15:18.03 | Estel_ | I see. |
| 15:18.28 | Estel_ | so what You would propose to *properly* implement fm radio application, witch least hassle required? |
| 15:18.38 | jacekowski | on n900? |
| 15:18.43 | jacekowski | you can't |
| 15:18.45 | Estel_ | yea |
| 15:18.49 | Estel_ | hm |
| 15:19.02 | jacekowski | but in simple word |
| 15:19.04 | jacekowski | words |
| 15:19.05 | Woody14619 | I propose you go to a dollar store and get a cheep fm receiver... much easer. :) |
| 15:19.07 | jacekowski | get rid of PA |
| 15:19.12 | Estel_ | passthrough can't coexist with notifications from programs (latter via pulseaudio) |
| 15:19.24 | jacekowski | change it to alsa builtin DMIX |
| 15:19.26 | Estel_ | Woody14619, not the point |
| 15:19.33 | Estel_ | I also record fm radio on N900 |
| 15:19.57 | jacekowski | fix all apps that relied on PA directly |
| 15:20.15 | Estel_ | passthrough can't coexist with notifications from programs (latter via pulseaudio) <- it was meant to be question, ? got eaten |
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| 15:20.59 | Woody14619 | I generally find most of the carp on FM isn't worth listening to, yet alone recording. :P It's 70% commercials and 25% top 40. But to each their own. :) |
| 15:21.15 | Estel_ | Woody14619, in Poland we got polish radio program 3 with is all different ;) |
| 15:21.39 | Estel_ | for both many polish people and overbroad artist, it's best radio station in the world ;) |
| 15:21.39 | jacekowski | Estel_: not really |
| 15:21.47 | jacekowski | what???????? |
| 15:21.52 | jacekowski | stop spreading BS like that |
| 15:21.57 | Estel_ | ? |
| 15:22.13 | Woody14619 | I'm sure it is, if you speak Polish. ;) |
| 15:22.16 | Estel_ | erm, gustas et not discutante I would say |
| 15:22.20 | jacekowski | 3 is pretty bad |
| 15:22.28 | Estel_ | well, see above |
| 15:23.27 | Estel_ | (as for overbroad artists I mean Tori Amos, Peter Gabriel, old good leo cohen, Archive, zeppelins, old guys from pink floyd etc etc) |
| 15:23.45 | Woody14619 | I mainly use the interent radio for content. And on some occasions shortwave. (Though that's saddly going away, what with BBC reducing US coverage and what not). |
| 15:23.48 | Estel_ | all were here in 3's recording studio, and were amazed |
| 15:24.10 | Estel_ | I like when radio speaks to me, instead of shouting playlist on me |
| 15:24.25 | jacekowski | i hate when they talk on radio |
| 15:24.27 | Estel_ | 3 is quite eclectic |
| 15:24.38 | Estel_ | well, if I need background music, I got my own. |
| 15:24.52 | Estel_ | from radio I expect something more |
| 15:25.26 | Estel_ | personalities, intelligent conversation (also about music), new musical horizons... |
| 15:25.56 | Woody14619 | Well, here in the US, you have three choices: FM=Top 40 and commercials, almost exclusivly. AM=Right-wing talk (and maybe PBS/NPR), or pay for XM where you get less commercials but otherwise most of the same content as FM. |
| 15:26.13 | Estel_ | it's quite funny, cause, for example, Piotr Kaczkowski is known only for 3's fans in Poland, yet, one of most respected music journalists abroad, at least in so called "ambitious" music world |
| 15:26.31 | Estel_ | Woody14619, I know and feel Your pain |
| 15:27.06 | Estel_ | 3 is all about music and personalities. We've got many *real* music/music journalist personalities here |
| 15:27.24 | Estel_ | both from "old good times" and new ones learning stuff from masters |
| 15:27.37 | Estel_ | it's quite a Community around 3 |
| 15:27.52 | Estel_ | so, when jacekowski said "i don't like when they speak in radio" |
| 15:28.08 | Estel_ | it reminds me of iphone fans saying "what, opening terminal to do anything?!" |
| 15:28.19 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 15:28.26 | jacekowski | i want them to play music |
| 15:28.33 | Estel_ | gustas et... etc ;) |
| 15:28.46 | jacekowski | i only listen to radio in a car and i can't really focus on what they are talking about |
| 15:28.47 | Estel_ | Iphone fans want them to "just work" ;) |
| 15:29.12 | jacekowski | because i'm focusing on a moron that is behind/in front of me |
| 15:29.13 | Estel_ | I understand. Well, I listen to radio almost all awake time, while doing other things too |
| 15:29.37 | Estel_ | yea, another thing about most polish car drivers - everyone see morons all around on street :P |
| 15:29.46 | Estel_ | while I agree there are many... |
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| 15:30.24 | Estel_ | I'm curious why there is so much aggression, hidden or not, in roads. Never seen that in any other country I've been in, even in eghypt and cairo |
| 15:30.42 | teotwaki | cairo is a country now? |
| 15:30.51 | Estel_ | very funny |
| 15:31.10 | teotwaki | anyway, road-rage is everywhere. It's not local. |
| 15:31.12 | Estel_ | ...but, considering that it's unofficially 27 000 000 people... |
| 15:31.22 | Estel_ | and poland is 38 000 000 |
| 15:31.24 | Estel_ | why not. |
| 15:31.35 | Estel_ | teotwaki, I know |
| 15:31.37 | teotwaki | so? London is 15M+, Belgium is 11M+. |
| 15:31.38 | jacekowski | teotwaki: you've never been to poland then |
| 15:31.49 | Estel_ | ^agree |
| 15:31.50 | teotwaki | jacekowski: actually, I've driven through Poland. |
| 15:32.06 | Estel_ | I see jacekowski know what I mean ;) |
| 15:32.20 | jacekowski | things like people ignoring red light, overtaking when it's not safe to do so and things like that are pretty common |
| 15:32.26 | jacekowski | as in, you see it few times a day |
| 15:32.47 | jacekowski | i'm doing something around 40000 miles/year |
| 15:32.55 | teotwaki | and? Grab a taxi in Italy and ask him to get you quickly from one train station to the other -- exactly the same behaviour. |
| 15:33.06 | jacekowski | teotwaki: nothing like that |
| 15:33.13 | jacekowski | first thing |
| 15:33.17 | Estel_ | btw, funny fact - in eghypt, where no one cares about lights etc but everyone know it, You got much more small, non-fatal collisions |
| 15:33.21 | jacekowski | in poland people don't try to avoid accidents |
| 15:33.22 | Estel_ | although much less fatal ones. |
| 15:33.47 | Estel_ | In countries when You actually expect other to obey the law, much less small, unharmfull colisions, yet more fatal ones |
| 15:33.47 | teotwaki | Try India. |
| 15:34.00 | jacekowski | when you see somebody pulls out in front of you |
| 15:34.07 | Estel_ | I suspect it's because on eghypt etc everyone *know* to 100% not trust anyone around |
| 15:34.13 | teotwaki | Egypt* |
| 15:34.21 | jacekowski | in normal country it you slow down first trying to avoid accident |
| 15:34.37 | jacekowski | in poland, first - horn, second - accelerate |
| 15:34.47 | Estel_ | jacekowski, but teotwaki got a point here, simillar behavior is in italy |
| 15:34.55 | jacekowski | because they had right of way |
| 15:35.11 | teotwaki | India is probably the worst place on Earth I've had to drive. |
| 15:35.13 | jacekowski | Estel_: in italy taxi driver will try to avoid accidents |
| 15:35.14 | Estel_ | ...but polish car drivers tend to think they're "better" than those barbarians in italy or egypt |
| 15:35.40 | jacekowski | because that means time without a car and no work |
| 15:35.41 | Estel_ | jacekowski, You're exxagerating it a little. idiots happen, but most people will try to avoid accident :P |
| 15:35.48 | jacekowski | Estel_: not really |
| 15:35.56 | jacekowski | Estel_: everywhere else, it's brakes first |
| 15:35.57 | Estel_ | teotwaki, agree that india is even worse |
| 15:36.02 | jacekowski | Estel_: in poland it's horn first |
| 15:36.10 | Estel_ | but, we're - suppposedly - in europe... |
| 15:36.26 | Estel_ | hehe, horn first is really strange thing |
| 15:36.30 | Estel_ | although I agre |
| 15:36.34 | jacekowski | and people doing 60km/h or more through towns |
| 15:36.43 | Estel_ | if only 60;) |
| 15:37.00 | Estel_ | 80-90 is absolutely common |
| 15:37.12 | Estel_ | 110 is seen 2-3 times a day (some idiot) |
| 15:37.30 | Estel_ | at least here in Poznan |
| 15:37.46 | Estel_ | in warsav it's even worse, sometimes |
| 15:37.48 | jacekowski | which gives you total stopping distance of 40m+ |
| 15:37.51 | jacekowski | at 60km/h |
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| 15:38.51 | joga | in india I guess the speeds are relatively low |
| 15:39.01 | teotwaki | joga: beg your pardon? |
| 15:39.28 | joga | teotwaki I haven't driven there, just judging by the videos I've seen and my friends who have |
| 15:39.53 | teotwaki | joga: people will happily do 80-100 (kph) on any road, whether the lights on their vehicle are working or not. |
| 15:39.59 | teotwaki | (at night) |
| 15:40.27 | joga | but in a crowded, messed up intersection in a city it seems unlikely you can even drive straight for more than a couple of meters |
| 15:41.17 | Estel_ | hehe, fun thing in india is that people crossing road don't care about anything driving there |
| 15:41.24 | teotwaki | Right outside Pondi, near Auroville, there's a famous crossing -- small dirt road that goes to Avy (actually, might be paved by now) that crosses with a "main" road to Pondi. there's roughly 1 deadly accident a day. |
| 15:41.32 | Estel_ | and people driving dont't care about someone crossing road |
| 15:41.35 | jacekowski | joga: yeah, but everyone is trying to avoid bumping into other cars |
| 15:41.42 | teotwaki | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxZxjgKcsPE |
| 15:41.47 | Estel_ | it's a interesting think than no road holocaust happens |
| 15:42.03 | teotwaki | (I got a +5 Interesting on Slashdot for posting a link to that video...) |
| 15:42.44 | joga | when I used to live in soviet russia behind our house there was some road where every week at least there was a pile-up with deaths |
| 15:42.52 | Estel_ | btw I remember when guys from polish radio 3 ( ;) ) have gone in motorcycle trip around world |
| 15:43.09 | joga | nowadays I hear the police there fine people even for not using the signals |
| 15:43.11 | Estel_ | ...and in india... |
| 15:43.47 | Estel_ | 1 guy without legs on platform with wheels tried as hard ase he could (he was quite fast, suprisingly) to get under motorcycle |
| 15:43.56 | Estel_ | as he hope to get money after |
| 15:43.59 | joga | jacekowski yeah, which - I guess - would keep the speeds there low enough that not *all* of them die :) |
| 15:44.10 | Estel_ | they need to kick him during actual driving |
| 15:44.19 | Estel_ | to not allow him get under wheel |
| 15:44.27 | joga | how does he stop? |
| 15:44.54 | joga | oh, nevermind |
| 15:45.02 | teotwaki | joga: if you think you get fined in India for not using your indicators, think about this: helmets are "recommended", not obligatory. |
| 15:45.03 | joga | read that the legless guy was attempting to drive the cycle |
| 15:45.16 | Estel_ | no idea, there were 2 of them on 2 motorcycles and one of them needed to kick him while avoiding |
| 15:45.20 | joga | teotwaki sure |
| 15:45.22 | Estel_ | ahaha |
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| 15:50.51 | MrPingu | merlin1991: Which package do I need for gst-launch-0.10? |
| 15:51.01 | merlin1991 | lemme check |
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| 15:53.42 | merlin1991 | MrPingu: I think its gstreamer-tools |
| 15:54.32 | MrPingu | Atleast, it downloads something... |
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| 15:56.10 | Estel_ | merlin1991, what is /debian/compat file in source package? |
| 15:56.23 | Estel_ | most packages have "5" there, although I've seen "7" too |
| 15:56.40 | merlin1991 | it's the minimum version of debhelper the package script demands |
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| 15:56.52 | merlin1991 | autobuilder runs 5 by default so 5 is perfect |
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| 15:57.39 | Estel_ | I see. thanks |
| 15:58.50 | MrPingu | Yes, it is :) Thanks, but ximagesrc is no element? |
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| 16:11.31 | MrPingu | Seems I dont have libistximagesrc.so, from what I found out in google |
| 16:11.51 | MrPingu | Maybe I am missing a plugin package? |
| 16:12.16 | MrPingu | Got to go now, if you know don't hesitate to write it here I will read back the log :) |
| 16:13.34 | Estel_ | Funny, I'm on ad-hoc wifi, listening to fm radio via speakers and browsing tmo via chromim - I'm charging via dedicated charger and barely 150 mA is put into battery, rest consumed by working things |
| 16:14.03 | Estel_ | (battery less than half charged, so it's not rate limiting) |
| 16:14.07 | freemangordon | ad-hoc wifi? |
| 16:14.11 | Estel_ | yea |
| 16:14.17 | Estel_ | it consumes most power |
| 16:14.23 | freemangordon | there is where the current is flowing |
| 16:14.30 | Estel_ | exactly |
| 16:15.12 | Estel_ | If I would enable torch, make screen to go max brightness + enable gps and something else, I would be consuming more than charging circuit cn pull |
| 16:15.18 | Estel_ | can* |
| 16:16.30 | Estel_ | I'm on specific situation now - my AP is working in client mode, so I must transfer net via ethernet cable through whole room and corridor, then, my notebook streams wifi to N900 via ad-hoc |
| 16:17.19 | Estel_ | if I would have 2 ap's, one would be wifi client, and another one would be connected via cable and spread net under new name |
| 16:17.50 | Estel_ | (I'm doing this because signal is enough only in one place oh a house, and using pt with boosted transmit power) |
| 16:18.12 | Estel_ | haha, sounds like perfect scenario for stealing wifi bandwidth from someone, lol |
| 16:18.32 | Estel_ | not that I'm doing so |
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| 16:23.55 | ioan | Is moving from a n900 to a n9 a good idea or should I keep the n900? |
| 16:25.58 | _berto_ | ioan: it all depends on what you're looking for |
| 16:26.18 | _berto_ | ioan: the n9 is a smartphone, the n900 is a pocket linux-based computer |
| 16:26.21 | _berto_ | that's how I see it |
| 16:26.43 | Gh0sty | not giving any money to mokiasoft |
| 16:26.56 | Corsac | and the n9 has less apps than n900, too |
| 16:27.04 | Corsac | (in case that matters) |
| 16:27.06 | Gh0sty | so i keep my n900 |
| 16:27.40 | Gh0sty | lucky i have it with me right now |
| 16:28.08 | Corsac | well, the n9 is really nice, I dont regret it |
| 16:28.21 | Gh0sty | in hospital for most of the day ... with nothing to do n900 with internet ... |
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| 16:33.11 | Estel_ | chem|st, could You kill this thread? -> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1210290 |
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| 16:37.18 | Sicelo | 17:19 < Estel_> I also record fm radio on N900 <<< that's why I keep my Nokia N-Gage :P |
| 16:37.26 | Sicelo | ;) |
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| 16:38.43 | Sicelo | btw, Estel_, you tried C Fm radio? seems less memory hungry |
| 16:43.47 | chem|st | Estel_: done |
| 16:44.04 | chem|st | Estel_: there is a report button, do you know about it? |
| 16:55.34 | DocScrutinizer | (If I would enable torch, make screen to go max ...) and do 3G massive data |
| 16:55.43 | DocScrutinizer | and vibra |
| 16:55.49 | DocScrutinizer | and video decoding |
| 16:56.30 | DocScrutinizer | I can't suggest vboost as that's mutually exclusive with charging ;-P |
| 17:00.42 | Sicelo | :P |
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| 17:02.56 | freemangordon | Estel_, the guy having problems recording in HD on TMO said he has downgraded to CSSU-stable |
| 17:03.23 | freemangordon | and camera-ui is only in -testing |
| 17:04.49 | MrPingu | Can you pull more 1200 mAh? |
| 17:05.10 | MrPingu | I mean my charger says output 1200 mAh |
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| 17:11.48 | MrPingu | merlin1991: Which other gst-packages do you have installed? |
| 17:13.50 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, may I ask you (politely) next time when you question my expertise and experience on driving SW projects to let me at least be a part of the conversation. It would be even better if you have some information on what I do for life, what is my posstion in the company I work for, etc... |
| 17:14.34 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 17:14.56 | DocScrutinizer | wazzup? |
| 17:16.44 | DocScrutinizer | bitter about my notion that's missing some indication of experience in risk management in your acting? |
| 17:17.51 | freemangordon | bitter? no, just think it is fair if I am included in conversation too |
| 17:18.14 | DocScrutinizer | sure thing |
| 17:19.23 | DocScrutinizer | sorry if you feel I acted incorrectly |
| 17:19.58 | freemangordon | NP, lets move on. DocScrutinizer, according to those logs you somehow were able to read the logs re thumb2 on #beagle |
| 17:21.09 | DocScrutinizer | only what you pasted |
| 17:21.19 | freemangordon | that is all :) |
| 17:22.00 | DocScrutinizer | I supported you in claiming a proper discussion with those who think they know was the right approach |
| 17:22.34 | DocScrutinizer | the problem is it's a niche case for them |
| 17:22.56 | DocScrutinizer | so probably way too much effort for zero ROI from their perspective |
| 17:23.11 | freemangordon | and it the end it turned out(at least that is my understanding) that they don't care/never tried hard to achieve it |
| 17:23.16 | freemangordon | yep |
| 17:23.54 | DocScrutinizer | the real pity is all that knowledge wasted |
| 17:24.27 | freemangordon | BTW Estel_'s words for FUD spreading are not so distant from the reality AIUI |
| 17:25.06 | DocScrutinizer | which is a sad case that at least allows us to learn from it: never neglect documenting what you do |
| 17:26.09 | freemangordon | As I can bet both n900s I have, that thumb errata workaround was never enabled on n900 since a month ago. |
| 17:26.25 | freemangordon | yeah, sure |
| 17:29.08 | freemangordon | now, AIUI you(and maybe Jaffa) insist on having a proper testbed. I will think on that, but having in mind the errata description, I don't think it is possible without speciol tools which most probably only TI has. |
| 17:29.56 | DocScrutinizer | I don't think it's particularly hard to plumb together some assembler that reliably provokes the error |
| 17:29.57 | freemangordon | BTW, did you read errata description? |
| 17:30.11 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, I think it is impossible |
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| 17:31.00 | DocScrutinizer | why?` |
| 17:31.02 | freemangordon | if we go into the details, I don't think I am that good in ARM assembler to be able to control BTB/BTAC contents on every cycle |
| 17:31.18 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
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| 17:31.29 | freemangordon | read the errata description again |
| 17:31.46 | freemangordon | what conditions are needed, so it to be triggered |
| 17:31.52 | freemangordon | want a link? |
| 17:31.56 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 17:32.25 | freemangordon | http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/ARM_ERRATA_430973.html |
| 17:32.55 | DocScrutinizer | if ARM (and THUMB) opcode description doesn't allow to precisely smith a piece of code that invokes the error, then I'd say ARM is crap |
| 17:33.08 | DocScrutinizer | (the company) |
| 17:33.37 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, there is a pile of debug registers you have access to once attached to jtag ;) |
| 17:33.57 | DocScrutinizer | I know |
| 17:34.43 | freemangordon | and it is not the code itself, it is the branch prdictor which does not realize that there are new instructions on the same virtual address |
| 17:34.46 | DocScrutinizer | and just 6h ago I talked with a colleague about how to exploit the HTB in ARM for a FOSS project |
| 17:34.55 | freemangordon | HTB? |
| 17:35.11 | DocScrutinizer | Hardware Treace Block or sth |
| 17:35.22 | freemangordon | aah, ok |
| 17:36.07 | DocScrutinizer | a nice IP that recors the last nn k of instructions and register data |
| 17:36.33 | DocScrutinizer | it can get read out not only via JTAG |
| 17:36.56 | freemangordon | I realy can't think of anything besides turning u-boot upside-down, hoping I am smart enough to make the correct conclusions based on short description of the errata |
| 17:37.16 | DocScrutinizer | we're developing a AppProc based debugging tool at my company |
| 17:37.41 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, not entirely true, those can be rad, but only in secure priviledged mode if one of the core pins has the appropriate level on boot |
| 17:37.48 | freemangordon | *read |
| 17:37.57 | freemangordon | CP15DISABLE or something |
| 17:38.24 | DocScrutinizer | quite possible that this HS shit interferes |
| 17:38.35 | freemangordon | that is for sure |
| 17:39.06 | DocScrutinizer | even possible the OMAP3430 has no ETB (not HTB, E like Embedded) |
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| 17:41.33 | freemangordon | so, there are 2 options left AIUI. You may accept my logic why errata workarounds work. After all we have quantum theory based almost on pure (i) logical thinking :). BTW I am not sure i've ever tried to. |
| 17:42.23 | freemangordon | s/i've/you've/ |
| 17:44.05 | freemangordon | the other is to wait long enough thumb-testing to have enough users, and if there is no single sigill report for a long enough period of time (2-3 months) to assume that stable. After all we are talking about handheld device here, not a banking core server |
| 17:45.19 | DocScrutinizer | to me the explanation is pretty clear |
| 17:45.33 | freemangordon | yes, it is |
| 17:45.52 | freemangordon | and the workaround is, too |
| 17:46.48 | DocScrutinizer | you simply run a interworking branch, then replace it by something that's *not* switching from ARM to THUMB or vice versa, and run it again -> BOOM |
| 17:47.23 | freemangordon | do you think it is so simple? |
| 17:47.35 | DocScrutinizer | according to that description it is |
| 17:47.42 | freemangordon | in a multi-process environment? |
| 17:48.01 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 17:48.17 | DocScrutinizer | you for sure block all interrupts before you run that testbed |
| 17:50.19 | DocScrutinizer | a testbed needs no X sever to output the results relatime |
| 17:50.25 | freemangordon | well, I am not so good in omap kernel hacking (so far). But will think If I could do something in user space. |
| 17:50.25 | DocScrutinizer | realtime* |
| 17:50.43 | freemangordon | yeah, maybe u-boot |
| 17:51.18 | freemangordon | but again, if we change the conditions, then the testbed is not correct |
| 17:51.52 | freemangordon | if I don't do context switchws, then the workaround is useless |
| 17:52.09 | freemangordon | if I do, then I cannot predict when I will hit it |
| 17:52.11 | freemangordon | see |
| 17:53.47 | freemangordon | i meant "when i will hit the errara" |
| 17:59.00 | DocScrutinizer | nope, that's not how a testbed is meant to work and to prove things |
| 17:59.25 | freemangordon | what we are trying to prove? |
| 17:59.42 | freemangordon | errata existance or workaround effectiveness? |
| 17:59.54 | DocScrutinizer | the fact that opcode sequence A, B , |
| 17:59.57 | DocScrutinizer | C d |
| 18:00.11 | DocScrutinizer | breaks on C without your fix |
| 18:00.16 | freemangordon | as workaround is meant to fix things in multi-process environment |
| 18:00.18 | DocScrutinizer | and runs with your fix |
| 18:01.22 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, ok, I will try to do some user-mode stuff which provoces it |
| 18:01.28 | freemangordon | *provokes |
| 18:01.32 | DocScrutinizer | good |
| 18:01.34 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 18:02.03 | freemangordon | but can't promise anything, so you think on your side what will be the next best option :P |
| 18:03.21 | freemangordon | as it is more than obvious that the only(accesible) expertise left on that matter is here |
| 18:05.38 | DocScrutinizer | alas this seems right |
| 18:06.18 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: we seen modest segfaulting like mad when compiled for THUMB, no? |
| 18:06.31 | freemangordon | yes |
| 18:06.44 | freemangordon | every minute or so |
| 18:06.51 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it's possible to reduce modest code to the bare minimum needed for triggering that degfault |
| 18:07.18 | DocScrutinizer | maybe even running it under gdb and watch it segfault |
| 18:07.39 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, it is not the modest itself, every application behaves like that. ANd it is not only htumb-compiled, arm binaries SIGILL too |
| 18:08.12 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, it is not SEGFAULT, write it down somewhere for further reference :P |
| 18:08.21 | freemangordon | it is SIGILL |
| 18:08.48 | freemangordon | I've seen that a lots of times for the last months |
| 18:08.49 | DocScrutinizer | I'm just saying somewhere inside modest there hast to be that core A,B,C.D opcode sequence that proves your patch effective |
| 18:09.16 | DocScrutinizer | sure sure sigill |
| 18:09.59 | freemangordon | CPU tries to execute thumb instruction (i.e. PC%4 !=0) in ARM mode and sigills |
| 18:10.46 | freemangordon | but it is not a specific instruction sequence that bugs the core, it is some random memory mammping |
| 18:10.50 | freemangordon | *mapping |
| 18:11.09 | DocScrutinizer | err, then modest wouldn't run even with your patch? |
| 18:12.48 | freemangordon | it will, as branch predictor "stale data" is flushed after the context is switched to "modest" and before the control is returned to user space. So on the next branch CPU will read the code and will behave as it should, instead of relying on what BP thinks |
| 18:13.40 | freemangordon | BTW patch is from TI, not mine |
| 18:14.05 | freemangordon | MY part is actually enabling it by calling the secure monitor |
| 18:15.12 | DocScrutinizer | even the better - then we only need to show your part actually enables the patch |
| 18:15.32 | freemangordon | oooh, that is easy :D |
| 18:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | as I'm absolutely sure TI tested the patch for effectiveness |
| 18:15.49 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, why you don't read what I wrote |
| 18:16.34 | DocScrutinizer | err, I do |
| 18:16.47 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, in this case You don't :P |
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| 18:17.06 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, what I did is to run u-boot and to get the contents of ACR. We need IBE bit set. It is not |
| 18:17.15 | Estel_ | freemangordon said ages ago that negators are forcing himto prove that TI err5a does what it does |
| 18:17.39 | Estel_ | he proved long time ago that his method to enable Ti's workaround is working |
| 18:18.16 | Estel_ | and all concerns from You ( DocScrutinizer ) , dm8tbr, Jaffa etc were based on doubts that TI errata does what it promises |
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| 18:18.31 | Estel_ | i.e. testbed would only be meant to prove the latter |
| 18:18.43 | Estel_ | (checking if TI does what promises with errata) |
| 18:18.49 | DocScrutinizer | an erratum never promises anything, it's simply an exiasting annoyance |
| 18:18.54 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, patch code is here http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/git-commits-head/2009/5/3/5622724 , follow me and I will explain why what we have in KP does not work and how I make it work |
| 18:18.58 | Estel_ | exactly |
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| 18:19.24 | Estel_ | but but insisting on testbed, You wanted mechanism to prove that errata isn't fcked up itself |
| 18:19.24 | freemangordon | the patch consist of two parts, first is setting IBE bit in ACR |
| 18:19.33 | Estel_ | nevermind |
| 18:19.50 | freemangordon | +mrcp15, 0, r10, c1, c0, 1@ read aux control register |
| 18:19.50 | freemangordon | +orrr10, r10, #(1 << 6)@ set IBE to 1 |
| 18:19.50 | freemangordon | +mcrp15, 0, r10, c1, c0, 1@ write aux control register |
| 18:19.53 | freemangordon | sorry |
| 18:19.54 | Estel_ | freemangordon is saying more interesting stuff than me, so bear with him ;) |
| 18:20.23 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, the part of the patch which sets IDE bit in ACR does not work on n900 |
| 18:20.40 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 18:20.51 | freemangordon | as ACR is not accessible in unsecure priviledged mod (i.e. kernel) |
| 18:20.57 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 18:21.01 | freemangordon | same for u-boot |
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| 18:21.20 | Estel_ | ...in meantime, I got question about program (well, just set of interconnected scripts) I'm preparing for repositories, so just tell me when You two ends and I'll ask, as I'm ashamed to break such conversation) ;) |
| 18:21.55 | freemangordon | A month or so ago I found an SMC call (that is a call that transfers the control to ROM code) which is used for setting ACR contents |
| 18:22.07 | freemangordon | And it is desctibed in TRM by the way |
| 18:22.12 | freemangordon | *described |
| 18:22.43 | DocScrutinizer | fine, so I stae I think your patch is fine, for the scope of this erratum |
| 18:22.48 | DocScrutinizer | state* |
| 18:23.18 | freemangordon | so I patched u-boot https://gitorious.org/~freemangordon/u-boot-shr/freemangordons-u-boot/commit/409fec178945067233629a471653361b927c05f0 |
| 18:23.46 | Estel_ | when I told You same thing You negated it :( just joking, I was using term secure mode, which probably wasn't so clear to You ( DocScrutinizer ) |
| 18:23.48 | DocScrutinizer | now we only got this rumour there are two errata and allegedly mutually exclusive. We'd need to find who invented that and if he was right or wrong |
| 18:24.09 | freemangordon | aah, that rumor, yeah |
| 18:24.19 | Estel_ | afaik 2nd errata is in bin space |
| 18:24.21 | freemangordon | give me a second and I will explain (with the links) |
| 18:24.29 | freemangordon | Estel_, no |
| 18:24.30 | Estel_ | and 3th errata is irrelevant if 1st errata is in place |
| 18:24.43 | Estel_ | Ok, swicthing to listening mode :P |
| 18:24.44 | freemangordon | just give me some time |
| 18:24.49 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: a patch isn't an erratum |
| 18:25.00 | DocScrutinizer | erratum=bug, patch=fix |
| 18:25.02 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, true, true |
| 18:25.27 | Estel_ | in meantime, when freemangordon searchs, I'll ask my small question ok? |
| 18:25.33 | Estel_ | first one is rather simple |
| 18:25.57 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, the errata which we are told is mutually exclusive (and its number is stated in logs on #beagle dm8tbr is talking about) is 687067 |
| 18:26.07 | Estel_ | I would like to "unleash" (in sh script) notification that stays until that line of code is done |
| 18:26.20 | Estel_ | (showing processing circle) |
| 18:26.42 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer: that is what I found about it, not Cortex-a8, but the same OMAP3 core http://cache.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/errata/IMX50CE.pdf |
| 18:27.01 | freemangordon | search the pdf for 687067 |
| 18:28.38 | freemangordon | and read the errata description. My understanding is that someone has misread that as setting the IBE bit would lead to errata triggering, and because part of the previous workaround is setting the IBE bit, thus mutual exclusivity |
| 18:28.43 | Estel_ | (i.e. re-enabling swap, and popping-up notification about it via maemo notifications, that stays until lines of code responsible for reswapping aren't finished) |
| 18:29.55 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, which is nonsense, as to really trigger errata 687067, one have to issue "invalidate Branch predictor by MVA" |
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| 18:33.33 | freemangordon | along with having IBE bit enabled. But workaround for the previous errata does not issue "invalidate Branch predictor by MVA", but "Invalidate entire branch predictor array." |
| 18:34.26 | javispedro | untrue |
| 18:34.40 | freemangordon | so errata 687067 is never triggered. |
| 18:34.53 | javispedro | it is the same thing |
| 18:35.25 | javispedro | behind the scenes |
| 18:35.27 | freemangordon | javispedro, those are 2 diffrent operations, check on ARM side, coprocessor c7, cache operations |
| 18:35.35 | DocScrutinizer | (My understanding is that someone...) yes |
| 18:35.50 | javispedro | I know, they have a one bit difference iirc |
| 18:36.03 | freemangordon | and it is clearly stated that errata is triggered by "invalidate by MVA" |
| 18:37.11 | freemangordon | javispedro: "3. An invalidate Branch predictor by MVA operation is executed" |
| 18:38.16 | javispedro | this is not an errata |
| 18:38.19 | javispedro | it is actually intentional |
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| 18:38.41 | DocScrutinizer | anyway 687047 explains that a proper initialized to 0 "L1 System Array Debug Register 0" will "fix" the erratum, just as does IBE=0 |
| 18:38.56 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, we don't have acces to that |
| 18:39.01 | freemangordon | *access |
| 18:39.57 | freemangordon | javispedro, if you have some additional documentation, please share it. What is not errata? And why is that intentional, what intention? |
| 18:40.21 | mva | >_> freemangordon |
| 18:40.53 | javispedro | "debug" |
| 18:41.01 | javispedro | the entire acr is for debug stuff |
| 18:41.04 | javispedro | *acr register |
| 18:41.33 | freemangordon | and how is that related? |
| 18:41.40 | javispedro | ibe |
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| 18:42.03 | javispedro | you are not supposed to use it :) |
| 18:42.10 | freemangordon | aaah, ok |
| 18:42.11 | DocScrutinizer | ??? |
| 18:42.15 | freemangordon | :) |
| 18:42.23 | javispedro | in any case |
| 18:42.26 | freemangordon | javispedro, where did you get that from? |
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| 18:42.47 | javispedro | there is a true official way to disable the branch predictor iirc |
| 18:42.54 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 18:42.54 | freemangordon | and btw we are talking about upstream patch, not some invention of mine |
| 18:43.40 | freemangordon | javispedro, disable the whole BP? why should anyone want to do that? |
| 18:44.04 | freemangordon | and how is that related to workaround working/not? |
| 18:44.14 | Estel_ | andp again, please provide sources of Your informations, javispedro |
| 18:44.38 | DocScrutinizer | if any possible |
| 18:44.40 | Estel_ | s/andp/and |
| 18:45.05 | Estel_ | is wondering why s/ / never works for him |
| 18:45.16 | freemangordon | you are missing the last / |
| 18:45.22 | DocScrutinizer | because it's s/ / / |
| 18:45.23 | Estel_ | thanks |
| 18:46.18 | Estel_ | guys, again, could please someone tell me how to invoke notification, that is persisting until operation in that line of code (which it's attached to) ends? |
| 18:46.48 | Estel_ | for example, sh script that re-enables swap - I would like maemo notification (yellow bar) to pop-up and stay until it proceeds |
| 18:46.53 | javispedro | freemangordon: was thinking to check if the crashes stop |
| 18:47.06 | Estel_ | saying "Re-enabling swap..." |
| 18:47.21 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: no known method to close a notification programmatically |
| 18:47.33 | Estel_ | damn, Saturn is using it on Cleven |
| 18:48.02 | Estel_ | during searching for surrounding networks |
| 18:48.13 | Estel_ | it says "scanning for networks" |
| 18:48.41 | Estel_ | and anomated circle is inside this yellow notification bar - this whole thing dissapear after search is complete |
| 18:48.44 | freemangordon | javispedro: I (and not only me) am able to boot and use ubuntu 12.04 with those fixes. Without them it crashes(SIGILL) every 15-20 seconds |
| 18:49.01 | Estel_ | if it take 5 seconds, it persist for 5 seconds. If it take 30, it stays 30 sec |
| 18:49.09 | Estel_ | will need to ask saturn I suppose |
| 18:49.59 | DocScrutinizer | 687067 is a rather unlikely_to_happen erratum |
| 18:50.11 | Estel_ | 2nd question, much *more*important for actual operation of my "program", so please, bear with me |
| 18:50.26 | Estel_ | I want to create a script, meant to be used only once... |
| 18:50.29 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless we should fix it before moving to a system that *might* trigger it |
| 18:51.01 | Estel_ | that sources config filled by user, and patches /event.d/rcS-late accordingly |
| 18:51.15 | Estel_ | replacing given line with other content |
| 18:51.38 | freemangordon | javispedro, have in mind you will need latest u-boot and KP49 or custom build KP50 with workaround for 430973 enabled, as it is disabled in KP50 |
| 18:51.39 | Estel_ | could anyone tell me, how such script should look like? |
| 18:51.48 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, again, it is never triggered |
| 18:51.59 | Estel_ | of course, initially I'm sourcing config file with values, then using those values to prepare proper lines |
| 18:52.19 | DocScrutinizer | please discuss this with javispedro, it seems he thinks different |
| 18:52.33 | DocScrutinizer | as I'm away for dinner now - sorry |
| 18:52.35 | javispedro | I... don't, actually |
| 18:52.46 | Estel_ | then, I want script (run as root) to find certain line in rcS-late, and replace it with line defined in my script |
| 18:52.51 | javispedro | if it's working, what was the problem then? |
| 18:53.05 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer is not convinced :D |
| 18:53.29 | javispedro | you will still see random failures in jitted code |
| 18:53.35 | Estel_ | javispedro, the thing is that many - otherwise respectable - people think that errata fix is not applicable to N900 |
| 18:53.40 | Estel_ | no matter what |
| 18:53.44 | javispedro | well |
| 18:53.45 | DocScrutinizer | I am the problem, I want to know it really got *fixed* and not simply moved elsewhere, like an alignment error in data section |
| 18:53.56 | Estel_ | without any reasoning, beside some FUD ;) |
| 18:53.58 | freemangordon | btw I have to go, otherwise I risk my GF leaving :D |
| 18:54.02 | javispedro | the errata imposes a small cycle penalty on context switch |
| 18:54.03 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, isn't the problem |
| 18:54.19 | javispedro | s/the errata/the fix |
| 18:54.32 | javispedro | well, _comparatively_ small |
| 18:54.39 | freemangordon | javispedro, yes, but the point is that we have 20-40 % reduction in codesize |
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| 18:54.43 | Estel_ | dm8tbr, and some random clueless arm employee was more of a problem |
| 18:55.08 | freemangordon | and having in mind RAM size on n900... |
| 18:55.28 | freemangordon | we could get rid of most of the swapping |
| 18:55.29 | Estel_ | ...it would make me happy penguing |
| 18:55.41 | javispedro | that is the part I don't believe |
| 18:55.55 | freemangordon | which part? |
| 18:56.00 | dm8tbr | Estel_: stop being a jerk. I tried to help and the conversation between gordon and mru didn't go beyond chitchat. |
| 18:56.01 | DocScrutinizer | waves |
| 18:56.13 | Estel_ | I don't think 20-40% would get us out of swapping, but I belive It would reduce it |
| 18:56.20 | Estel_ | s/It/it/ |
| 18:56.23 | javispedro | cya DocScrutinizer |
| 18:56.25 | freemangordon | but of course |
| 18:56.43 | freemangordon | there is no way we could run only in RAM, but still |
| 18:56.56 | Estel_ | dm8tbr, not necessary, when I discutted with You last time, You were making stupid *facedesk*s and other emoticons |
| 18:57.05 | Estel_ | without any counter-reasoning |
| 18:57.06 | freemangordon | 20-30 (or even more) MB of free RAM will make a difference |
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| 18:57.39 | freemangordon | BTW I got to go too, happy arguing :P |
| 18:57.59 | Estel_ | and I was using same argumentd as freemangordon today, yet using less technical wording, as I'm much less experienced. Still, merit was understandable for anyone with willing other thing making laughs |
| 18:58.20 | Estel_ | freemangordon, see ya |
| 18:58.23 | dm8tbr | Estel_: I do not think I need to discuss this with you. If anyone else here wants to, that's fine, but you have been hostile from the get got, so please just go put me on ignore and stop being a jerk. KTXBAI |
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| 18:58.49 | Estel_ | I see no hostility on discussing, I'm just stating facts. anyway, it's no problem for me |
| 18:59.04 | Estel_ | and I don't need excuses, if this was meant to be it ;) |
| 18:59.14 | dm8tbr | FOAD *plonk* |
| 18:59.14 | Estel_ | lets just move forward |
| 18:59.52 | Estel_ | BTW, last time You've used this face on a desk when I was talking about possible source of FUD around errata, so... |
| 18:59.55 | Sicelo | ~foad |
| 18:59.55 | infobot | foad is probably \"fuck off and die\". Considered by many to be impolite. |
| 19:00.06 | Estel_ | take Your time, it's EOT for me |
| 19:00.08 | Estel_ | haha |
| 19:00.20 | Estel_ | Sicelo, n1 |
| 19:00.59 | Sicelo | n1? i just didn't know that foad thingie |
| 19:00.59 | Estel_ | I think he meant face on a desk, though |
| 19:01.00 | Estel_ | still, it's his face, so, let him enjoying it. |
| 19:01.05 | Sicelo | oh |
| 19:01.08 | Sicelo | :D |
| 19:01.16 | Estel_ | but it mixed nicely with discussion |
| 19:01.29 | Estel_ | merlin1991, ping |
| 19:04.14 | Sicelo | just one question from me regarding this Thumb thing: say we all eventually embrace it, etc and we start using thumb-compiled stuff ... what about the stuff which can't be thus recompiled, eg bme? |
| 19:05.06 | Sicelo | doesn't even really know what this Thumb is (besides being some property of the CPU) |
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| 19:06.06 | Estel_ | theoretically, there is a speed disadvantage when running non-thumb compiled code AND errata fix applied, but, it's hardly noticeable in real life |
| 19:06.23 | Estel_ | and speed gain due to less ram used by core components is much bigger advantage |
| 19:06.40 | Estel_ | thumb2 is just a flag during compiling, from developer side |
| 19:07.05 | freemangordon | Sicelo, it will continue to work as before "thumb era" |
| 19:07.17 | freemangordon | there is no need to re-compile everything |
| 19:07.35 | Estel_ | freemangordon, You've lost girlfriend? haven't beed suspecting You'll return so quickly ;) |
| 19:08.01 | freemangordon | Estel_, luckily she got a phonecall, still talking :D |
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| 19:08.08 | Estel_ | :D |
| 19:08.26 | Estel_ | wouldn't You mind to help such a noob as me with small thing? |
| 19:08.29 | freemangordon | so actually I didn't return, nut still not left |
| 19:08.36 | Estel_ | question, actually |
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| 19:09.11 | Sicelo | i see. |
| 19:09.24 | freemangordon | Sicelo, thumb 2 instructions are 16bit (2 bytes) while ARM are 32 bits(4 bytes) |
| 19:09.28 | Estel_ | I'm finishing small package that I wqant to upload into repos. Last thing that is keeping me from it is that I would like to spare editing of rcS-late to users by hand |
| 19:09.40 | freemangordon | sed? |
| 19:09.51 | Estel_ | I want to create a single-run script, that will read config file... |
| 19:10.12 | Estel_ | and find line in rcS-late + replace it with thing I prepare |
| 19:10.20 | Estel_ | (using variables from config) |
| 19:10.25 | Estel_ | I know how to source etc |
| 19:10.32 | Estel_ | just how to properly sed |
| 19:10.46 | Estel_ | rcS-late (or any other existing script) |
| 19:10.53 | Estel_ | I'm big noob here |
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| 19:11.23 | Estel_ | so example of hyphotetical line of code would help much |
| 19:12.01 | Estel_ | lets say I want to find a "foo" line in rcS-late and replace it with "bar is great" |
| 19:12.02 | freemangordon | Estel_, I am not the best one to ask re shell scripts, but AFAIK you should use sed to do a inline replacement, along with leaving your "signiture" somewhere in the script to avoid double replacements. Sorry, I think it is better to ask DocScrutinizer or merlin1991 |
| 19:12.24 | Estel_ | ok, thanks a lot for suggestion anyway |
| 19:12.30 | Estel_ | I'll try messing with seed or ask them |
| 19:12.52 | Estel_ | tried that, but DocScrutinizer was too much on thumb thing and merlin1991 is absent, will try to catch them |
| 19:12.58 | freemangordon | *sed |
| 19:13.07 | freemangordon | not seed :P |
| 19:13.07 | Estel_ | is going to read about sed |
| 19:13.11 | Estel_ | :P |
| 19:13.25 | freemangordon | you'd better not, justr ask google |
| 19:13.29 | freemangordon | *just |
| 19:13.35 | Sicelo | sed -e -i s/<original>/<new>/ <filename> |
| 19:13.44 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 19:13.45 | Sicelo | i think it's like that |
| 19:13.52 | freemangordon | why -e ? |
| 19:14.19 | freemangordon | abyway, bb |
| 19:14.24 | freemangordon | *anyway |
| 19:14.32 | Estel_ | oh god, sed is the thing I'm using to correct lines here? I said I'm noob |
| 19:14.38 | Estel_ | see ya, thanks! |
| 19:14.39 | Sicelo | yeah, lol.. remove the 'e' |
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| 19:16.36 | Sicelo | anyway, reading is best .. ;) |
| 19:16.57 | Raimu | :P |
| 19:16.58 | Woody14619 | Estel_, technicaly, sed is based on ed, a line editor the came before vi. (s = streem) |
| 19:17.07 | Raimu | ...whoops, wrong window. Sorry. |
| 19:17.47 | Estel_ | Woody14619, nice to know |
| 19:18.11 | Estel_ | hm, I've searched about it, but can't find what freemangordon meant by "kind of signature" to avoid double-replacing |
| 19:18.23 | Woody14619 | Also note, that most ed commands still work in vi when in ed mode (using :) So :s/orig/new/ works in vi as well. (one per line, append a g to the end to have it happen multiple times per line) |
| 19:18.23 | DocScrutinizer | yeah. ed anybody? |
| 19:18.26 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
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| 19:18.56 | DocScrutinizer | Woody14619: probably s in sed wasn't for stream but for silly |
| 19:18.59 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 19:19.11 | Sicelo | lulz |
| 19:19.13 | DocScrutinizer | ed is really a monster |
| 19:19.37 | javispedro | Estel_: you are being way overoptimistic |
| 19:19.39 | Woody14619 | lol :) Yes, ed sucks, but was a lot nicer than puch cards, which was the other option at the time. |
| 19:19.40 | DocScrutinizer | edlin and whatnot else |
| 19:19.49 | javispedro | let's assume for a moment that thumb actually produces a 40% reduction in code size, which I don't believe |
| 19:20.01 | Woody14619 | .oO(and vi doesn't work well on tele-type devices, which lack screens...) |
| 19:20.10 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 19:20.13 | javispedro | use procps to measure the text resident size of all processes in the system |
| 19:20.29 | javispedro | iirc, on a fresh booted n900 it was around 50MiB |
| 19:20.40 | javispedro | note that this is overly pessimistic as this countes shared pages twice |
| 19:20.47 | javispedro | s/twice/more than once |
| 19:21.02 | Woody14619 | edlin was the crappy MS nock-off of ed. It would be like compairing the "NOKlA" brand "n900" against the one from NOKIA.... ;) |
| 19:21.16 | javispedro | you will save 25MiB _hard_ maximum |
| 19:21.26 | javispedro | the real number will probably be way less than that |
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| 19:21.37 | Estel_ | javispedro, any way I could measure text resident size of processes I've enabled now? |
| 19:21.57 | Estel_ | what's the point of measuring it for fresh system |
| 19:21.59 | javispedro | use procps, grep man for text resident size |
| 19:22.09 | Estel_ | on fresh system You hardly use swap |
| 19:22.20 | javispedro | fremantle preloads, you know |
| 19:22.22 | Estel_ | problem is when You use qt things |
| 19:22.25 | Estel_ | yes. |
| 19:22.47 | DocScrutinizer | and on system with huge uptime, memory gets used by data, not progamtext |
| 19:22.48 | javispedro | a fresh system here has already a bunch of all the most used apps |
| 19:22.51 | Estel_ | but printfood for not-preloaded things, yet thumb compiled, will drop to, yes? |
| 19:23.06 | Estel_ | s/to/too |
| 19:23.07 | javispedro | "yes" |
| 19:23.08 | DocScrutinizer | the size of code stays the same |
| 19:23.09 | Estel_ | s/to/too/ |
| 19:23.35 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 19:23.40 | Woody14619 | :) |
| 19:23.41 | Estel_ | I mean that, during usage of memory-heavy things, we main gain more |
| 19:23.43 | Estel_ | :) |
| 19:23.52 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 19:24.04 | DocScrutinizer | memory heavy things are heavy on data, not on code |
| 19:24.13 | Estel_ | byw 25 MB would be more than 10% ;) |
| 19:24.21 | Estel_ | true |
| 19:24.32 | DocScrutinizer | btw code never gets swapped out |
| 19:24.33 | Estel_ | (in fact it depends, but generally true) |
| 19:25.00 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer was missing a "to swap" there. |
| 19:25.00 | Estel_ | so it's even more important to have it with reduced size ;) |
| 19:25.01 | DocScrutinizer | useless to swap out code, as it's already on 'disk' |
| 19:25.05 | javispedro | aka code never gets swapped out to swap :) |
| 19:25.34 | Estel_ | all after all we get more ram available for data that don't need to be swapped out |
| 19:25.39 | DocScrutinizer | waves again |
| 19:26.00 | Estel_ | considering ramzswap was a way to gain a little ram at cost of CPU |
| 19:26.01 | Estel_ | cycles |
| 19:26.02 | javispedro | Estel_: as said, this is assuming 40% code reduction (which I don't believe), and 0% loss in performance (which I don't believe either) |
| 19:26.13 | Estel_ | and now we can gain a little ram without any cost (almost) |
| 19:26.21 | Estel_ | I think it's worrth effort |
| 19:26.23 | javispedro | well |
| 19:26.27 | javispedro | it's an effort. |
| 19:26.39 | Estel_ | everything is :) |
| 19:27.04 | javispedro | for the interesting programs, it will for sure not be as simple as toggling -mthumb |
| 19:27.05 | Estel_ | cdreating HD video recording for N900 was an huge effort too, and I enjoy it very much |
| 19:27.14 | javispedro | think inline asm, etc. |
| 19:27.21 | Estel_ | hm. |
| 19:27.40 | Estel_ | last two lines should be forwarded to freemangordon, I've no idea, frankly |
| 19:27.46 | javispedro | also, I don't remember if interworking is enabled =) |
| 19:27.49 | Estel_ | would be interested in his comment about it |
| 19:28.24 | Estel_ | btw I mean that even "wasting" cpu cycles for compression using ramzswap is a win, most of the times, on system with low ram |
| 19:28.30 | Woody14619 | javispedro, I believe the 40%... The stats on that are pretty firm. But it's not a huge ammount. Still, if it's available, even getting back 15-20Mb would make a difference for some people, usage dependant. |
| 19:28.37 | Estel_ | so such "almost" free ram gain is a real deal |
| 19:29.17 | javispedro | Woody14619: 40% would mean that ~40% of the code doesn't need the extra upper arm registers |
| 19:29.46 | javispedro | still possible and quite certain for some programs, but I have my doubts if that will be the case for "everything" |
| 19:30.03 | Estel_ | only one way to check that |
| 19:30.06 | Estel_ | for sure |
| 19:30.12 | Estel_ | actually trying :) |
| 19:30.53 | javispedro | feel free |
| 19:31.18 | Estel_ | cssu devel sounds great place for that |
| 19:31.32 | Estel_ | s/sounds/seems like/ |
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| 19:33.58 | Woody14619 | Which is believable, and even testable. I'm betting it compiles a little differntly, but most would compile fine. It is an effort, yes. But if there's a working patch for the issue, it may be worth it for some. |
| 19:34.21 | Estel_ | as for sed |
| 19:34.38 | Estel_ | ok, but how will it allow me to replace multi-line things in config? |
| 19:34.48 | Estel_ | s/config/file/ |
| 19:35.16 | Estel_ | lets say I want my script to replace 2-liner in rcS-late with 7-liner |
| 19:35.30 | Estel_ | Sicelo, DocScrutinizer, Woody14619? |
| 19:36.24 | Sicelo | that's for the greats :P |
| 19:36.43 | Sicelo | i think you will use a bunch of \n though |
| 19:37.56 | Estel_ | probably right |
| 19:41.21 | Woody14619 | yup yup. Or, if you're feeling really self-damaging, look at awk. :) |
| 19:41.30 | Woody14619 | work becons |
| 19:45.07 | Estel_ | hm, smth bad |
| 19:45.44 | Estel_ | sed s/original\n3liner\ncontent/new\n2linder/ |
| 19:45.47 | Estel_ | doesnt work |
| 19:46.02 | Estel_ | it should replace 3 lines |
| 19:46.12 | Estel_ | "original 3liner content" |
| 19:46.33 | Estel_ | with 2 lines "new 2linder" (typo, should be liner, but whatever) |
| 19:46.45 | Estel_ | any ideas? |
| 19:47.37 | Sicelo | ~jrtools |
| 19:47.37 | infobot | methinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
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| 19:47.58 | NIN101 | I am no sed pro according to my experience multilne replacements with sed are PITA. |
| 19:48.00 | Estel_ | it says "unmatched "/" |
| 19:48.16 | Estel_ | agree. what's better alternative? |
| 19:48.50 | Estel_ | (unmatched "/" probably mean it wasn't able to find matching original content due to \n's inside) |
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| 19:49.49 | Sicelo | you used the "? |
| 19:51.22 | Estel_ | ? |
| 19:51.31 | Estel_ | could You elaborate more? |
| 19:52.55 | Sicelo | look..i'm worse than even NIN101 on this :P |
| 19:53.51 | Sicelo | i was just asking if you remembered to use the quote marks in appropriate places .. sed -i "s/.../.../" |
| 19:54.38 | Estel_ | of course forget about it, thanks a lot |
| 19:54.43 | Estel_ | will try now |
| 19:55.00 | Estel_ | btw request here |
| 19:55.11 | Estel_ | does anyone have unmodified rcS-late? |
| 19:55.25 | Estel_ | could You please paste it to zerobin or any pastebin? |
| 19:58.20 | Sicelo | lol..me doesn't even know where that stays :P |
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| 20:00.57 | Estel_ | now sed is working for me and I can replace one linders properly |
| 20:01.12 | Estel_ | yet, no way of using \n allows me to replace multi-liners |
| 20:01.17 | Estel_ | i've tried: |
| 20:01.25 | Estel_ | line1\nline2 |
| 20:01.32 | Estel_ | line1 \nline2 |
| 20:01.40 | Estel_ | line1\n line2 |
| 20:01.48 | Estel_ | line1 \n line2 |
| 20:01.52 | Estel_ | ...al to no avail |
| 20:02.00 | Estel_ | s/al/all/ |
| 20:02.11 | Estel_ | any ideas, anyone? Woody14619? |
| 20:02.13 | Sicelo | where's this rsS-late |
| 20:02.26 | Estel_ | /etc/event.d/rcS-late |
| 20:02.33 | Sicelo | is lazy to do a find |
| 20:02.34 | Estel_ | critical file during booting |
| 20:02.50 | Estel_ | file isn't problem here I'm testing it with test file |
| 20:03.13 | Estel_ | problem is with replacing multi liners with multiliners |
| 20:03.17 | Sicelo | oh, i thought you wanted it pasted? :\ |
| 20:03.22 | Estel_ | ah sorry |
| 20:03.24 | Estel_ | of course |
| 20:03.31 | Estel_ | forget, but still need it |
| 20:03.34 | Estel_ | :P |
| 20:04.20 | Estel_ | I could invoke sed multiple times, but it still doesn't allow me to change number of lines to greater |
| 20:05.29 | Estel_ | (I could replace 7 lines with less, for example, 5, by replacing unnecesary lines with spaces...) |
| 20:05.40 | Sicelo | http://paste.debian.net/170489/ |
| 20:05.41 | Estel_ | (but can't change 5 lines to 7) |
| 20:05.44 | Estel_ | thanks a lot |
| 20:06.02 | Estel_ | so now only sed problem remains |
| 20:06.57 | NIN101 | Estel_ |
| 20:07.03 | NIN101 | system-services |
| 20:07.12 | NIN101 | this package contains /etc/event.d/rcS-late |
| 20:07.46 | Estel_ | thanks. |
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| 20:08.14 | Estel_ | anyway, problem with correct way for multi-lines replacing with arbitrary lines number still persist |
| 20:08.37 | Estel_ | I want to replace 1 line with multiliner :/ |
| 20:09.55 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, ping |
| 20:10.00 | Sicelo | http://www.refining-linux.org/archives/27/20-Multi-line-sed-search-and-replace/ |
| 20:10.07 | Estel_ | oh |
| 20:10.18 | Estel_ | thanks! |
| 20:10.23 | Estel_ | is going to read |
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| 20:12.09 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: use diff / patch |
| 20:12.35 | DocScrutinizer | away again, cursing his own life |
| 20:12.50 | Estel_ | thanks... |
| 20:13.58 | Sicelo | gets ready for bed |
| 20:14.35 | Sicelo | this channel rocks.. 98% of my linux knowledge comes from here :P |
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| 20:24.33 | GNUtoo-desktop | DocScrutinizer, hi I didn't understand the errata either, does it fix the issues like when you switch from arm to thumb and it illegal instructions because of that? |
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| 20:26.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | it seems the branch prediction queue isn't getting properly cleaned in some cases when using a opcode (bx?) that is switching instruction set |
| 20:27.06 | GNUtoo-desktop | ok I understand that(branch prediction) |
| 20:27.19 | GNUtoo-desktop | it's fixed in 3.4? |
| 20:27.46 | GNUtoo-desktop | because we have firefox that illegal instructions on SHR |
| 20:28.02 | GNUtoo-desktop | and it's related to arm->thumb interworking switch |
| 20:28.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's fixed in more recent chips |
| 20:28.10 | GNUtoo-desktop | ok |
| 20:28.29 | GNUtoo-desktop | is it fixed in the gta04 chip? |
| 20:28.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | not on n900 omap soc though |
| 20:28.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | dunno, probably |
| 20:29.03 | GNUtoo-desktop | ok |
| 20:29.05 | GNUtoo-desktop | thanks |
| 20:29.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | check revision |
| 20:29.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | ask nikolaus |
| 20:33.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | r0p1 ? |
| 20:33.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | til r2pq ? |
| 20:34.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's in one of the links freemangordon posted |
| 20:34.55 | Estel_ | ping Hurrian |
| 20:35.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: there are lesser-effort approaches to safe 15, 20 Mb of memory |
| 20:35.34 | Estel_ | like? |
| 20:38.03 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, ^^^ |
| 20:39.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | forex look into all the preloaded stuff. Look at that 25MB file containing ALL translations |
| 20:39.57 | Estel_ | it's nice, we can mix it up with thumb2 and get 30-40 Mb of memory :) |
| 20:40.16 | Estel_ | but it's data, not code, yep? |
| 20:40.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | htop is your ftiend, and your common sense your shrpest weapon |
| 20:40.36 | Estel_ | unused translation must be amongst few things that get swapped out |
| 20:40.54 | Estel_ | common sense tells me that it's not mutualy exclusive with thumb2 |
| 20:40.59 | Estel_ | btw, question |
| 20:41.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | WUT? you won't gain 20 |
| 20:41.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh, all together |
| 20:41.31 | Estel_ | swapon -a in rcS-late, it enables swap |
| 20:41.39 | Estel_ | how does it know where it is? |
| 20:41.46 | Estel_ | searches automatialy emmc? |
| 20:41.52 | Estel_ | and enable first found swap? |
| 20:42.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | look at autogenerated fstab |
| 20:42.29 | Estel_ | i.e. checks all mmcblk0p* and enable first found swap, or have it hardcoded? |
| 20:42.31 | Estel_ | I see |
| 20:43.03 | Estel_ | emr, so my guess that if user have swap on /dev/mmcblk0p758, swapon -a will also enable it |
| 20:43.12 | Estel_ | ? |
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| 20:43.42 | Estel_ | no requiment for it to be on /dev/mmcblk0p3? |
| 20:44.37 | jacekowski | well kinda |
| 20:44.42 | jacekowski | it would have to be in fstab |
| 20:44.50 | jacekowski | and fstab is regenerated quite often |
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| 20:54.09 | Estel_ | jacekowski, for my use case it's invoked from rcS-late, so it's during boot |
| 20:54.27 | Estel_ | no chances for missing fstab generation ;) |
| 20:57.56 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, dumbie question again... while working with sed, how to distinguish "/" being part of line to be parsed, from "/" being part of sed command? |
| 20:58.33 | Estel_ | i.e. sed -i "s/home/user/newhome/newuser/" |
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| 20:58.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | use arbitrary other delimiyer |
| 20:58.46 | Estel_ | use what?! |
| 20:58.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | like @ |
| 20:59.16 | Estel_ | erm, any examples? I fail to get it |
| 20:59.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | s@foo/bar@fsck@ |
| 20:59.25 | Estel_ | oh |
| 20:59.43 | Estel_ | and sed is bright enough to know what is delimiyer and what not |
| 20:59.51 | Estel_ | well, You've made it so simple :) |
| 20:59.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 20:59.58 | Estel_ | thanks a lot... |
| 21:00.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | yw |
| 21:01.21 | merlin1991 | just spent 3 hours swapping a laptop display |
| 21:01.25 | merlin1991 | fun times :D |
| 21:02.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | just spent 3 ours cursing and swearing |
| 21:02.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | as I lost my EC card |
| 21:02.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | real fun times |
| 21:02.39 | merlin1991 | well I cursed a lot too |
| 21:02.49 | merlin1991 | first time the display cbale wasnt in properly |
| 21:03.00 | merlin1991 | then I didn't put in the keyboard properly |
| 21:03.03 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 21:03.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | yesterday I started to rip N9 |
| 21:04.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | after watching some semi official youtube |
| 21:05.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | that suggests to 'do not re-use! discard!' half the phone |
| 21:05.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | I stopped that |
| 21:05.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
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| 21:06.27 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, those "do not use" iss bullshit |
| 21:06.40 | Estel_ | they say it about everything, from camera module to screws |
| 21:06.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | aemi |
| 21:06.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | semi |
| 21:06.55 | Estel_ | same apply for "official" instructions for N900 |
| 21:07.13 | Estel_ | just use common sense as sharpest tool ;) |
| 21:07.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 21:08.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | instructions are for shops to ensure customers get 'like new' quality |
| 21:08.14 | MrPingu_ | Indeed, they say not to use these screws again |
| 21:09.13 | MrPingu_ | Btw, evening sirs |
| 21:09.30 | Estel_ | hi MrPingu |
| 21:09.40 | Estel_ | hey, experts, little question here again :P |
| 21:09.48 | Estel_ | take look at this please: |
| 21:09.49 | Estel_ | http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?15f3715baa9167de#wEO/AFX/OSRy+Pxue+sXooVRrWqxbpFdpTr+qRYPBTg= |
| 21:10.03 | Estel_ | I would like to scavenge this code, although, change it in a way |
| 21:10.20 | Estel_ | that I first source config file, where main swap and backup swap is defined |
| 21:10.44 | Estel_ | and then, instead of searching microsd for swap type partition, like in original code |
| 21:11.14 | Estel_ | I would like it to check if main swap (as defined in config) is available, and in other case, enable backup swap |
| 21:11.39 | Estel_ | (reasons for main swap being unavailable main be lack of microSD card, or corrupted, or whatever) |
| 21:11.51 | Estel_ | any idea how to achieve that? |
| 21:12.39 | Estel_ | by experts I mean DocScrutinizer, merlin1991 or anyone interested and able to help ;) |
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| 21:13.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | n900 here |
| 21:13.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | no way I'll check that now |
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| 21:15.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'd guess blkinfo or what it's called is your friend |
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| 21:16.21 | merlin1991 | but invoke it with the flash cache command or you'll have real fun |
| 21:16.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | blkid |
| 21:17.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | merlin1991: ?? |
| 21:17.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | sznc? |
| 21:17.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | sync? |
| 21:17.36 | merlin1991 | blikid -g |
| 21:17.41 | merlin1991 | err blkid -g |
| 21:18.11 | merlin1991 | otherwise he can have swap partitions that are long gone |
| 21:18.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | yup |
| 21:18.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-) |
| 21:19.07 | MrPingu_ | merlin1991 : What other gst packages do you have? From what I found of googling I miss libgstximagesrc.so so I might miss a whole package? :P |
| 21:19.45 | merlin1991 | MrPingu_: I only ever used tha todo screenshots |
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| 21:21.05 | merlin1991 | but there's the package load-applet-xiamgewsrc |
| 21:21.10 | merlin1991 | might contain what you want |
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| 21:23.02 | MrPingu_ | I installed gst-tools, earlier today thank you for that but all pipes are giving me the following error: No element "ximagesrc". Using the commands from the link you gave |
| 21:23.12 | MrPingu_ | Will look at it ;) |
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| 21:30.09 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, merlin1991, thanks. |
| 21:30.17 | Estel_ | blkid -g gives me nothing, though |
| 21:30.26 | Estel_ | only blkid alone gives me results |
| 21:30.46 | merlin1991 | you need to run blkid -g && blkid |
| 21:31.02 | merlin1991 | blkid -g only does the garbage collection, but does not display anyhting |
| 21:31.04 | merlin1991 | lulzworthy |
| 21:32.15 | Estel_ | I see, sorry |
| 21:32.23 | Estel_ | I think I'm a little tired :P |
| 21:32.44 | Estel_ | preparing first 100% own package in life for last few hours :P |
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| 21:39.21 | Estel_ | merlin1991, this line in original script: |
| 21:39.24 | Estel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.33 | Estel_ | says, in human language |
| 21:40.22 | Estel_ | "grep some value from drivelist output, and put it as value for swapmicro. Otherwise, leave swapmicro empty |
| 21:40.47 | Estel_ | later we have: |
| 21:40.48 | Estel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.07 | Estel_ | which is either true if swapmicro got assigned proper value |
| 21:41.11 | Estel_ | or false, if not |
| 21:41.27 | merlin1991 | so where's your problem? :D |
| 21:41.54 | Estel_ | I would like to rephrase first mentioned line to do blkid -g && blkid and to grep location of swap |
| 21:42.02 | Estel_ | I would like to rephrase first mentioned line to do blkid -g && blkid and to grep location of swap |
| 21:42.10 | Estel_ | (definedd earlier) |
| 21:42.17 | Estel_ | or to leave it empty |
| 21:42.25 | Estel_ | which would make 2nd line false |
| 21:42.40 | Estel_ | for the life of me I can't get it working properly |
| 21:42.53 | Estel_ | any ideas how that line should like, i.e. what instead of: |
| 21:43.05 | Estel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.19 | Estel_ | having example line, would make it easier for me to learn... |
| 21:44.28 | Estel_ | forgive that I'm asking probably easy things |
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| 21:45.09 | Estel_ | lets say I've, from sourced config file, a declaration: swap0=/dev/mmcblk1p2 |
| 21:45.11 | merlin1991 | swapmicro=$(blkid -g && blkid | grep mmcblk1.*swap | awk 'print substr($1, 1, length($1) -1)') |
| 21:45.28 | Estel_ | oh god |
| 21:45.40 | Estel_ | so I make it: |
| 21:45.54 | merlin1991 | that should find the first swap on an sd card |
| 21:46.18 | Estel_ | yea, but I must set it to explicitly use swap provided via config |
| 21:46.30 | MrPingu_ | What are you cooking, Estel_ ? |
| 21:46.40 | Estel_ | i.e. I got declaration swap0=/dev/mmcblk1p2 |
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| 21:46.53 | merlin1991 | that's even easier |
| 21:47.01 | Estel_ | MrPingu, solution for fool-proof anti-swap fragmentation |
| 21:47.55 | Estel_ | almost finished, merlin1991 is *very* kind to help me with hardest part, a script that will adjust people's rcS-late to enable proper swap on boot, or go failsafe to backup swap |
| 21:48.24 | MrPingu_ | sounds for me, I was/am too lazy to search/make swap refresh script :P |
| 21:48.27 | Estel_ | swapmicro=$(blkid -g && blkid | grep $swap0.*swap | awk 'print substr($1, 1, length($1) -1)') |
| 21:48.28 | Estel_ | ??? |
| 21:48.41 | merlin1991 | that sounds about right |
| 21:48.43 | MrPingu_ | Stil using the event.d method :P |
| 21:49.22 | Estel_ | merlin1991, as I don't understand this line fully: doesn't it still search for first swap on microsd unnecessary? |
| 21:49.34 | merlin1991 | only that it doesn't work xD |
| 21:49.39 | Estel_ | :P |
| 21:49.40 | merlin1991 | investigates |
| 21:50.08 | merlin1991 | ah yeah blkid -g must move one line up |
| 21:50.17 | Estel_ | remember that I've put $swap0 there, which is earlier declared as, for example, /dev/mmcblk1p2 |
| 21:52.25 | merlin1991 | plays a lil with awk |
| 21:56.18 | merlin1991 | swapmicro=$(blkid | grep $swap0.*swap | awk '{print substr($1, 1, length($1) -1)}') |
| 21:56.42 | merlin1991 | hm still not valid |
| 21:56.42 | merlin1991 | ffs |
| 21:56.54 | Estel_ | huge thank You! so, I need to put blkid -g a line above? |
| 21:56.58 | Estel_ | hm |
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| 21:57.06 | merlin1991 | ah wait it works |
| 21:57.10 | merlin1991 | I'm only the master of pastefile |
| 21:57.15 | merlin1991 | and yeah blkid -g a line above |
| 21:57.19 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 21:57.41 | merlin1991 | s/pastefile/pastefail/ |
| 21:57.51 | Hurrian | Estel_? |
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| 21:58.46 | Estel_ | Hurrian, this example of rcsFlate editing to contain failsafe swap enabling is Your work, or from something else? |
| 21:58.54 | Estel_ | I would like to give proper credits |
| 21:59.08 | Estel_ | merlin1991, so, now, if I put on next line: |
| 21:59.10 | Estel_ | if [ "$swapmicro" ]; then |
| 21:59.12 | Hurrian | it's from the swapmicro script, lemme google the author (another guy on tmo) |
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| 21:59.34 | Estel_ | it will be "dev/mmcblk1p2" as $swapmicro |
| 21:59.44 | Estel_ | if it exist |
| 21:59.49 | Estel_ | or false? |
| 22:00.00 | merlin1991 | /dev/mmcblk1p2 |
| 22:00.11 | Estel_ | yes, sorry forget initial / |
| 22:00.12 | merlin1991 | the awk line is to strip the : from the output |
| 22:00.21 | Estel_ | ah, I see |
| 22:00.22 | merlin1991 | (err pipe not line) |
| 22:00.50 | MrPingu | Yay, I fixed the gst-tools ;) |
| 22:01.02 | Estel_ | later I have "else", that enables backup swap |
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| 22:01.41 | merlin1991 | btw I'd even use swapmicro=$(blkid | grep $swap0.*TYPE=\"swap\" | awk '{print sub |
| 22:01.42 | merlin1991 | str($1, 1, length($1) -1)}') |
| 22:01.48 | Estel_ | huge thanks merlin1991, really |
| 22:02.03 | Estel_ | hm? |
| 22:02.03 | Hurrian | Estel_ : http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=846082&postcount=84 |
| 22:02.04 | merlin1991 | otherwise you could end up trying to swap on a partitions that has the genious label of swap but not the type :D |
| 22:02.11 | MrPingu | What I did was enabling SDK and TOOLS repo pull plugins-good-extra |
| 22:02.21 | Estel_ | :D |
| 22:02.29 | MrPingu | Thanks for the help merlin1991 ;) |
| 22:02.42 | merlin1991 | err, yes :D |
| 22:02.57 | merlin1991 | fsckd putty |
| 22:03.12 | merlin1991 | was supposed to be swapmicro=$(blkid | grep $swap0.*TYPE=\"swap\" | awk '{print substr($1, 1, length($1) -1)}') |
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| 22:04.39 | Estel_ | I'm using it with pleasure :) |
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| 22:04.55 | Estel_ | soon I should have it finished, will try to upload into -devel... |
| 22:05.08 | merlin1991 | also I wouldn't do a simple if [ $swapmicro ] but if [ -n $swapmicro ] |
| 22:05.27 | Estel_ | right, ok. |
| 22:05.28 | merlin1991 | it's safer to check against non zero length than implicit "false" |
| 22:05.48 | Estel_ | nods |
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| 22:06.37 | MrPingu | I won't mind testing, as soon as you packaged and uploaded it, Estel_ |
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| 22:06.58 | merlin1991 | MrPingu: so when can we see the result of your work? :D |
| 22:07.42 | Estel_ | Hurrian, thanks |
| 22:07.48 | Estel_ | MrPingu, also thanks ;) |
| 22:08.00 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: you're tired? *I* got BSE - o my brain transmuted to extremely concentrated vacuum |
| 22:08.13 | Estel_ | :P |
| 22:08.16 | Hurrian | Estel_, are you pushing it as a replacement rcS-late? |
| 22:08.52 | Estel_ | no, just as set of script for swap refreshing purposes, which also take user configurable swap locations and adjust rcs-late accordingly |
| 22:08.58 | Hurrian | ah |
| 22:09.00 | Hurrian | alright |
| 22:09.03 | Estel_ | so, it's kinda multitool ;) |
| 22:09.06 | MrPingu | As soon as I got a proper vid of cleven and faircrack and like ;) |
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| 22:10.15 | DocScrutinizer | pondering about this shitty vendor machine is built in a way to make fools with bse forget their credit card, since it offers the goods before you remove the card. Pondering still when I was 20m away from machine. 3h later I noticed I forgot my credit card |
| 22:10.50 | Estel_ | in fact I've also developed small notification system that iform user about success, or, in case of failure, report about exact step that failed |
| 22:10.57 | Estel_ | via maemo notification system |
| 22:10.59 | DocScrutinizer | I expect a ROTFL at very least |
| 22:11.15 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, was about to write lol |
| 22:11.16 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 22:11.26 | Estel_ | but I suspect it's big problem for You |
| 22:11.44 | merlin1991 | well dunno I suppose it's more annoying than a real problem |
| 22:11.51 | merlin1991 | you have to lock the fsckd card and get a new one |
| 22:11.51 | Estel_ | ah, now I know why bank machines want me to take card first |
| 22:11.55 | merlin1991 | and pay a lil for that |
| 22:12.03 | Estel_ | :P |
| 22:13.03 | DocScrutinizer | it's big problem not for the card but for my infallibly accurate brain rotting to pile of crap with this job |
| 22:14.44 | DocScrutinizer | last time something like this happened to me was 15 years ago, on Valium which my doc thought was a good prescription against my stomach problems |
| 22:15.26 | GeneralAntilles | Hooray, brain rot! |
| 22:15.31 | GeneralAntilles | drools. |
| 22:15.35 | DocScrutinizer | card been locked since 4h now |
| 22:15.52 | MrPingu | I will post a YT link here, for sure ;) Anyway it can take some weeks as I actually have exams and go on holiday with classmates directly after :P |
| 22:16.15 | GNUtoo-desktop | ok |
| 22:16.30 | DocScrutinizer | btw the lock phone call voice machine is such a fucktard as well, I already was about to power up my MTHELs |
| 22:17.37 | DocScrutinizer | +49911116116 |
| 22:17.50 | DocScrutinizer | FSCKU |
| 22:18.15 | DocScrutinizer | I buolt better voice mailboxes 20 years ago |
| 22:18.19 | DocScrutinizer | built* |
| 22:18.42 | merlin1991 | reminds me of the day my server @ 1and1 went down |
| 22:18.50 | merlin1991 | phone system was totally fsckd |
| 22:18.58 | DocScrutinizer | 1&1 NUUUUUUKE°! |
| 22:19.00 | merlin1991 | I ended up in sales on the technical support hotline |
| 22:19.00 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, tell them to get off your lawn. |
| 22:19.16 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: nuked them quickly after that, now with hetzner :) |
| 22:19.26 | Estel_ | merlin1991, look at:http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?d5c04fea4770a39c#GwkIL3tpY+hOMrFyP8ouZBGYsUb4srSo2VePMNOsGs4= |
| 22:19.28 | DocScrutinizer | hetzner better |
| 22:19.29 | Estel_ | please |
| 22:19.36 | Estel_ | it doesnt work |
| 22:19.42 | Estel_ | I'm also pastefail? |
| 22:20.32 | merlin1991 | fires up ssh again |
| 22:20.40 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: bracket arguments into ' |
| 22:21.07 | DocScrutinizer | err, not for args with $env |
| 22:22.19 | DocScrutinizer | yayayay |
| 22:22.42 | DocScrutinizer | t900:/usr/sbin# blkid | grep $swap0.*TYPE=\"swap\" | awk '{print substr($1, 1, length($1) -1)}' |
| 22:22.44 | DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk0p3 |
| 22:23.32 | DocScrutinizer | NB I haven't defined $swap0 before |
| 22:25.14 | DocScrutinizer | t900:/usr/sbin# swap0=/dev/mmcblk1p3 |
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| 22:25.16 | DocScrutinizer | t900:/usr/sbin# blkid | grep $swap0.*TYPE=\"swap\" | awk '{print substr($1, 1, length($1) -1)}' |
| 22:25.17 | DocScrutinizer | t900:/usr/sbin# |
| 22:26.01 | MrPingu | reminded me of closing an internet connection of my passed away aunt, you were always put in wait. Then I called the customer support : I want to buy "something" and directly I got a real man at the other end. |
| 22:26.19 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: maybe your "script" (sorry for ") works perfectly, just the system doesn't do what you expect it to do |
| 22:26.21 | merlin1991 | why the fuck does the -n check succed even when the string is a zero string |
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| 22:27.19 | Estel_ | oh god, I've stepped on nail left by my son on floor (part of toy with hammer) |
| 22:27.25 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> help [ |
| 22:27.26 | Estel_ | my roon is like bloodbath now |
| 22:27.32 | Hurrian | ouch. |
| 22:27.35 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.37 | Estel_ | s/roon/room/ |
| 22:28.06 | DocScrutinizer | PUNX RULE |
| 22:29.07 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: any particular reason why a if [ -n $something ] would be true when $something = "" ? |
| 22:29.13 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, this is not script, it's snippet from main script |
| 22:29.21 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.23 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.36 | Estel_ | I pasted it just for fix purposes, whole tool is much more complicated |
| 22:30.06 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: by "" I mean string but empty |
| 22:30.11 | DocScrutinizer | yay, complicificatificated for the winning |
| 22:30.24 | Estel_ | merlin1991, another problem is that after executing it I haven't good swap prompt that device is invalid |
| 22:30.29 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: I'm just c&p quoting |
| 22:30.30 | Estel_ | but swap usage screen |
| 22:30.32 | Estel_ | ah |
| 22:30.35 | Estel_ | cause it's empty |
| 22:30.36 | DocScrutinizer | consider non-printable |
| 22:30.39 | Estel_ | so it used empty |
| 22:31.07 | merlin1991 | rewrites awk part |
| 22:31.09 | Estel_ | so there is another problem too - I actually have /dev/mmcblk1p3 |
| 22:31.17 | Estel_ | so why it was empty anyway? |
| 22:31.24 | Estel_ | blkid list it too |
| 22:31.49 | merlin1991 | Estel_: for me it works when I have the partition |
| 22:32.00 | merlin1991 | but it also does a false positive when I don'T have it |
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| 22:33.12 | DocScrutinizer | /sbin/swapon $(grep $swap0.*TYPE=\"swap\" | awk '{print substr($1, 1, length($1) -1)}') ) || swapon /dev/mmcblk0p7 |
| 22:33.42 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: consider http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?9083b5a04c9dcf29#jrRTQiNpgT/QzFdHeT1+tUreMuCD5nJgQLCEtMemrUk= |
| 22:33.44 | DocScrutinizer | beat that |
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| 22:34.02 | merlin1991 | for some reason I always end up in the "yes" tree |
| 22:34.14 | merlin1991 | arf |
| 22:34.20 | merlin1991 | stupid term |
| 22:34.49 | merlin1991 | http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?35f7fb495a6af862#ENYcrbkOaa9WTWHmS6dubJgokvOOHobmPKb1c8MVTkQ= |
| 22:35.17 | DocScrutinizer | echo ">>$swapmicro<<" $(echo $swapmicro|od) |
| 22:36.04 | merlin1991 | 0000000 000012 0000001 |
| 22:36.07 | merlin1991 | dafuq? |
| 22:36.25 | DocScrutinizer | toldya ;-P |
| 22:36.34 | merlin1991 | wonders wft that is |
| 22:36.42 | DocScrutinizer | utf8? |
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| 22:37.02 | DocScrutinizer | don't trust blkid |
| 22:37.08 | merlin1991 | nah it's awk |
| 22:37.10 | merlin1991 | fu awk |
| 22:37.19 | DocScrutinizer | lol, not awk |
| 22:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | MESSYBOX!!! |
| 22:37.34 | merlin1991 | hm not awk aswell |
| 22:37.40 | merlin1991 | but messybox somewhere |
| 22:38.24 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, make better regex! |
| 22:38.46 | merlin1991 | heh why? :D |
| 22:38.47 | Estel_ | erm, I'm here but in listening mode |
| 22:39.33 | DocScrutinizer | "\(\/dev\/mmcblk[0-9]p[0-9]\)" |
| 22:39.51 | teotwaki_ | mwhahahaha |
| 22:39.53 | merlin1991 | that makes no sense |
| 22:39.57 | merlin1991 | that would match anything again |
| 22:40.11 | merlin1991 | but I want to find the line that has preset /dev node and is swap |
| 22:40.14 | merlin1991 | otherwise discard all |
| 22:40.15 | teotwaki_ | on some inventor programme, some dude came round, showing off a prototype of a gaussian canon |
| 22:40.33 | teotwaki_ | and went "I can make a perpetual movement machine with this, free energy, woo" |
| 22:40.56 | teotwaki_ | everytime anyone asked a question, he went "Look at the shiny ball, it's attracted by magnets, look, it moves by itself" |
| 22:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | what does (grep $swap0.*TYPE=\"swap\" | awk '{print substr($1, 1, length($1) -1)} ? |
| 22:41.06 | teotwaki_ | and they all went wild. |
| 22:41.23 | teotwaki_ | how fucking retarded do you have to be. |
| 22:42.17 | DocScrutinizer | awk '{print substr($1, 1, length($1) -1)} gets you any shitee that blkid might spew out |
| 22:42.25 | teotwaki_ | people having a hard time with regexp? Need help? |
| 22:42.36 | merlin1991 | check blkid output against devnode in $swap0 + the type of swap and get rid of the : in the blkid output since I was lazy to write a better echo $swap0 if found solution :D |
| 22:42.56 | DocScrutinizer | teotwaki_: ME? nope! |
| 22:43.08 | teotwaki_ | not you, I know :) |
| 22:44.09 | merlin1991 | hm I could use the return code of grep instead of that silly solution |
| 22:45.08 | teotwaki_ | merlin1991: what are you trying to achieve? |
| 22:45.15 | merlin1991 | madness |
| 22:45.16 | merlin1991 | ;) |
| 22:45.18 | teotwaki_ | sparta? |
| 22:45.19 | merlin1991 | nah I'm htere I think |
| 22:46.07 | DocScrutinizer | throws some Haloperidol pills into channel - madness for everybody |
| 22:46.20 | merlin1991 | this is getting silly |
| 22:46.27 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 22:46.34 | teotwaki_ | merlin1991: just explain your problem. |
| 22:46.37 | DocScrutinizer | I'm *extremely* silly today |
| 22:46.38 | merlin1991 | http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?a5530899c8625f49#pZeeI7ZulBKoRo8yatvq/S95sthp1ma7GcdmtjHOM3M= |
| 22:46.48 | merlin1991 | and still the bloody utf header in $swapmicro :D |
| 22:46.58 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 22:47.11 | teotwaki_ | I don't have a device at the ready |
| 22:47.16 | teotwaki_ | so don't know what that does -- walk me through it |
| 22:47.30 | merlin1991 | teotwaki_: basically Idefine a devnode |
| 22:47.38 | teotwaki_ | aye |
| 22:47.41 | merlin1991 | then use the blkid to get all valid partitions with types and whatnot |
| 22:47.49 | teotwaki_ | ok |
| 22:47.59 | merlin1991 | grep for the devnode I want, under the condiditon that it is swap |
| 22:48.11 | merlin1991 | and if yes it should swap otherwise use the fallback |
| 22:48.12 | DocScrutinizer | blkid|od -xc |
| 22:49.16 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: echo $whyistihishappening | od |
| 22:49.23 | merlin1991 | -> 0000000 005077 |
| 22:49.23 | merlin1991 | 0000002 |
| 22:49.30 | teotwaki_ | blkid | grep "$swap0.*TYPE=.swap." && swapmicro=$swap0 |
| 22:49.32 | DocScrutinizer | 0780922907318931709^4275^ß839 |
| 22:50.02 | DocScrutinizer | kicks himself |
| 22:50.21 | teotwaki_ | if [ -n "${swapmicro}" ] |
| 22:50.53 | DocScrutinizer | echo -n "${swapmicro}"|od -xc |
| 22:51.27 | teotwaki_ | or |
| 22:51.37 | teotwaki_ | blkid | grep "$swap0.*TYPE=.swap." |
| 22:51.43 | DocScrutinizer | blames messybox, as it's always OK to do that |
| 22:52.00 | teotwaki_ | if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then swapmicro="$swap0" |
| 22:52.05 | teotwaki_ | ; fi |
| 22:52.10 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 22:52.33 | merlin1991 | teotwaki_: thanks for the -n "$something" |
| 22:52.35 | merlin1991 | :) |
| 22:52.37 | DocScrutinizer | if terse form doesn't work, get verbose! |
| 22:52.42 | merlin1991 | avoids messybox, yay |
| 22:53.20 | DocScrutinizer | hates terse code |
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| 22:54.20 | DocScrutinizer | especially those c wankers who think it's cute to pack 7 'normal' lines of code into one statement |
| 22:54.33 | merlin1991 | Estel_: http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?c77ddc4d9e0ae234#WdfCcHYUz3Cs9E2npsUTWIhuBLiMrfz1CSpfDmtXOgs= |
| 22:55.23 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: ash evalueates left to right? |
| 22:55.25 | teotwaki_ | or, if you want to get funky: if [ `blkid | grep -c "$swap0.*TYPE=.swap."` -gt 0 ]; then echo $swap0 | od; fi |
| 22:55.37 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: usually r-t-l |
| 22:55.38 | Estel_ | merlin1991, thanks |
| 22:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | at least for pipes etc |
| 22:56.03 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: that answer is not verbose enough for me :D |
| 22:56.25 | DocScrutinizer | a|b|c; c will get invoked first |
| 22:56.29 | teotwaki_ | wut? |
| 22:56.41 | teotwaki_ | how does that work, considering c gets fed the input of b? |
| 22:56.54 | DocScrutinizer | it's a fifo, dear teotwaki_ |
| 22:57.03 | teotwaki_ | ? |
| 22:57.11 | merlin1991 | well what I want to ask if the last line in my latest paste only runs the swapon $swap2 if the first bunch failed |
| 22:57.32 | merlin1991 | or actually does other nasty things I didn't even think of :D |
| 22:57.59 | DocScrutinizer | t900:/usr/sbin# set -vx |
| 22:58.00 | DocScrutinizer | t900:/usr/sbin# date|cat|od |
| 22:58.02 | DocScrutinizer | date|cat|od |
| 22:58.03 | DocScrutinizer | + cat |
| 22:58.05 | DocScrutinizer | + od |
| 22:58.06 | DocScrutinizer | + date |
| 22:58.08 | DocScrutinizer | 0000000 072524 020145 060515 020171 031062 030040 035061 032060 |
| 22:58.31 | DocScrutinizer | so not rtl either |
| 22:58.39 | DocScrutinizer | honestly nfc |
| 22:58.54 | DocScrutinizer | mid to outside? |
| 22:59.52 | merlin1991 | Estel_: my last script seems to work |
| 23:00.02 | merlin1991 | hates messybox scripting |
| 23:00.19 | DocScrutinizer | hates messybox |
| 23:00.22 | DocScrutinizer | period |
| 23:00.50 | Estel_ | I'm investigating it, don't think I'm such bastard to say thanks and go away after You, DocScrutinizer and teotwaki did such work :D |
| 23:01.02 | Estel_ | In fact, I'm going to bless You ;) |
| 23:01.18 | Estel_ | just testing it now in many situations |
| 23:02.58 | DocScrutinizer | headdesks a bit more - listens to remnants of what been a brain making funny noises |
| 23:05.36 | Estel_ | it works perfectly, thanks a lot :D |
| 23:05.43 | Estel_ | reallyp it saved my day :P |
| 23:06.04 | Estel_ | + I got moral satisfaction ;) that my problem wasn't so trivial to solve |
| 23:06.08 | Estel_ | (joke) |
| 23:06.48 | Estel_ | I'm going to integrate it now with rest... Only few long but working things with sed, and I'll have this bastard ready for -devel |
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| 23:07.24 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, for 'complicated multiline edits' use patch |
| 23:07.44 | DocScrutinizer | nm, patch: not found |
| 23:07.55 | teotwaki_ | DocScrutinizer: interesting... |
| 23:07.59 | DocScrutinizer | F U messybox! |
| 23:08.11 | DocScrutinizer | teotwaki_: ???? |
| 23:08.16 | merlin1991 | hehe good old patch missing |
| 23:08.20 | teotwaki_ | DocScrutinizer: cat, od, date |
| 23:08.28 | DocScrutinizer | interesting to watch me go insane, or what? |
| 23:08.47 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 23:08.52 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 23:09.04 | DocScrutinizer | weird stuff |
| 23:09.07 | teotwaki_ | $ echo "foo" | grep foo |
| 23:09.08 | teotwaki_ | + echo foo |
| 23:09.08 | teotwaki_ | + grep --colour=auto foo |
| 23:09.23 | merlin1991 | you probably remember our fun times in #maemo-ssu thining about how to patch conversations css :D |
| 23:09.40 | DocScrutinizer | maybe I do |
| 23:10.20 | DocScrutinizer | anyway logicals like &&, || are stictly ltr |
| 23:10.37 | Estel_ | exactly |
| 23:10.38 | Estel_ | so |
| 23:10.43 | Estel_ | as path is missing |
| 23:10.46 | DocScrutinizer | for pipes though things change sometimes |
| 23:11.02 | Estel_ | can I use sed inside script with argument containing variables? |
| 23:11.09 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 23:11.11 | Estel_ | I mean: |
| 23:11.19 | DocScrutinizer | it's shell expanding $env |
| 23:11.24 | DocScrutinizer | not sed |
| 23:11.51 | Estel_ | variables inside sed argument will be properly filled, instead of thing replacing my line with $swap0 |
| 23:11.53 | Estel_ | :P |
| 23:11.55 | Estel_ | I see |
| 23:12.05 | Estel_ | a relief, I think |
| 23:12.09 | DocScrutinizer | shell expands everything except things 'enclosed in ticks' |
| 23:12.18 | teotwaki_ | single quotes |
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| 23:13.28 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: set -vx tells you the real invocation with parameters |
| 23:13.43 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-05-22 01:09:07] <teotwaki_> $ echo "foo" | grep foo |
| 23:13.45 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-05-22 01:09:07] <teotwaki_> + echo foo |
| 23:13.46 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-05-22 01:09:07] <teotwaki_> + grep --colour=auto foo |
| 23:13.55 | Estel_ | yea, of course |
| 23:13.58 | DocScrutinizer | obviously grep is an alias here |
| 23:14.09 | Estel_ | sed -i "1!N; s@ /sbin/swapon -a || echo "Failed to enable paging partition."@blkid -g\nblkid | grep $swap0.*TYPE=\"swap\" && /sbin/swapon $swap0 || /sbin/swapon $swap2@" /etc/event.d/rcS-late |
| 23:14.21 | Estel_ | do You like this short command? :P |
| 23:14.28 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 23:15.06 | Estel_ | errors inside or just gustas et non discutante? |
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| 23:15.23 | DocScrutinizer | too drunk to focus on that mess ;-P |
| 23:15.30 | Estel_ | :PPPPP |
| 23:15.51 | teotwaki_ | anyway, I'm out |
| 23:15.53 | teotwaki_ | 'night people |
| 23:16.00 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 23:16.05 | Psi | does anyone know what impedance the n900 headphone out is designed to drive? |
| 23:16.32 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: it has bugs as well |
| 23:16.40 | DocScrutinizer | unpaired " |
| 23:16.56 | DocScrutinizer | "Failed to enable paging partition." |
| 23:17.03 | DocScrutinizer | or |
| 23:17.11 | DocScrutinizer | "1!N; s@ /sbin/swapon -a || echo " |
| 23:17.32 | DocScrutinizer | or |
| 23:17.45 | DocScrutinizer | "@blkid -g\nblkid | grep $swap0.*TYPE=\"swap\" && /sbin/swapon $swap0 || /sbin/swapon $swap2@" |
| 23:17.54 | Estel_ | I see, but wtf it doesngt work |
| 23:18.01 | Estel_ | yea |
| 23:18.09 | Estel_ | how to overcome it? |
| 23:18.18 | DocScrutinizer | escape the " inside |
| 23:18.27 | Estel_ | by? |
| 23:18.30 | DocScrutinizer | \ |
| 23:19.23 | Estel_ | but but |
| 23:19.30 | Estel_ | inside contain an escaped " already |
| 23:19.32 | Estel_ | I mean |
| 23:19.48 | Estel_ | TYPE=\"swap\" |
| 23:19.55 | DocScrutinizer | so what? |
| 23:19.56 | Estel_ | it must get inside like that |
| 23:20.06 | Estel_ | so how to distinguish it from my escaped " |
| 23:20.29 | DocScrutinizer | then use ' instead of " for the sed argument |
| 23:20.44 | DocScrutinizer | or even better, use $env |
| 23:21.10 | Estel_ | sed -i '1!N; s@ /sbin/swapon -a || echo "Failed to enable paging partition."@blkid -g\nblkid | grep $swap0.*TYPE=\"swap\" && /sbin/swapon $swap0 || /sbin/swapon $swap2@' /etc/event.d/rcS-late |
| 23:21.11 | Estel_ | like that |
| 23:21.17 | Estel_ | ah, define argument as env |
| 23:21.27 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 23:21.33 | Estel_ | like forsed=sed -i "1!N; s@ /sbin/swapon -a || echo "Failed to enable paging partition."@blkid -g\nblkid | grep $swap0.*TYPE=\"swap\" && /sbin/swapon $swap0 || /sbin/swapon $swap2@" /etc/event.d/rcS-late |
| 23:21.40 | Estel_ | wrong |
| 23:22.19 | Estel_ | forsed=1!N; s@ /sbin/swapon -a || echo "Failed to enable paging partition."@blkid -g\nblkid | grep $swap0.*TYPE=\"swap\" && /sbin/swapon $swap0 || /sbin/swapon $swap2@ |
| 23:22.23 | Estel_ | correct? |
| 23:22.36 | Estel_ | then sed -i $forsed |
| 23:22.50 | Estel_ | then sed -i $forsed /etc/event.d/rcS-late |
| 23:22.52 | Estel_ | actually |
| 23:22.55 | DocScrutinizer | forsed='1!N; s@ /sbin/swapon -a || echo "Failed to enable paging partition."@blkid -g\nblkid | grep $swap0.*TYPE=\"swap\" && /sbin/swapon $swap0 || /sbin/swapon $swap2@' |
| 23:23.07 | Estel_ | ah, shouldn't drop the ' |
| 23:23.11 | Estel_ | I understand |
| 23:23.13 | DocScrutinizer | or sth like that |
| 23:23.39 | DocScrutinizer | escaping is rather tricky on shell |
| 23:23.40 | Estel_ | it its $env are the ' at beginning and end needed still, got ya |
| 23:23.54 | Estel_ | s/got ya/got that/ |
| 23:24.48 | DocScrutinizer | discard 1!N; |
| 23:25.00 | DocScrutinizer | it confuses hell outa me |
| 23:25.43 | cehteh | mhm |
| 23:25.47 | DocScrutinizer | iscard leading whitespace |
| 23:26.23 | cehteh | busybox or bash? |
| 23:26.43 | DocScrutinizer | discard overly comprehensive matchstring, replace large parts by .* |
| 23:28.21 | DocScrutinizer | s@swapon -a.*@... |
| 23:28.35 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 23:28.54 | Estel_ | doesn't work |
| 23:28.55 | DocScrutinizer | s@/sbin/swapon -a.*@... |
| 23:29.13 | DocScrutinizer | even |
| 23:29.19 | DocScrutinizer | s@ */sbin/swapon -a.*@... |
| 23:29.32 | Estel_ | why should I do that |
| 23:29.52 | Estel_ | when I want to swapon only pre-defined backup swap |
| 23:29.53 | DocScrutinizer | readability |
| 23:30.35 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.49 | DocScrutinizer | dot is a special symbol |
| 23:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | . matches one arbitrary char |
| 23:31.45 | DocScrutinizer | X* matches X and XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX |
| 23:31.56 | DocScrutinizer | .* matches everything |
| 23:32.06 | DocScrutinizer | \. matches a dot |
| 23:33.11 | DocScrutinizer | u? matches zero or one 'u' |
| 23:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
| 23:33.18 | DocScrutinizer | I'm tired |
| 23:33.20 | DocScrutinizer | n8 |
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| 23:35.40 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: use a textfile and grep to test your regex |
| 23:36.14 | DocScrutinizer | then copy that regex to first half od sed s§<matchstring>§ |
| 23:36.28 | DocScrutinizer | s/od/of/ |
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| 23:57.22 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, thanks, although I don' understand 3/4 of what You're telling me |
| 23:57.35 | DocScrutinizer | ask |
| 23:57.44 | Estel_ | sorry for dissaperance, got notification about new mail from modest and N900 just got into frozen state |
| 23:57.54 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 23:58.00 | Estel_ | due to swap fragmentation, many shit opened, + fm radio |
| 23:58.09 | Estel_ | interesingly enough, I was able to ssh |
| 23:58.10 | DocScrutinizer | ~hail modest |
| 23:58.10 | infobot | ACTION bows down to modest and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 23:58.33 | Estel_ | but N900 was only repeatedly turning keyboard lights on and off |
| 23:58.43 | Estel_ | I killed radii, modest etc via ssh |
| 23:58.52 | Estel_ | screen changed accordingly to taskbar, but no change |
| 23:59.05 | Estel_ | enraged, I killed browserd with no effect |
| 23:59.20 | Estel_ | waited a while, and due no change, killed - still via ssh - xorg |
| 23:59.26 | Estel_ | to force proper shutdown :P |
| 23:59.34 | DocScrutinizer | hihi |
| 23:59.45 | Estel_ | anyway |
| 23:59.59 | Estel_ | erm, about ask, I'll start with semi-simple question: |
