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| 01:36.52 | LaoLang_cool | How to change the default alarm time in calendar? |
| 01:37.23 | LaoLang_cool | Everytime I create an event or change the event date, the alarm will be set to 15min, it's very annoying |
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| 02:09.09 | DocScrutinizer | hm? |
| 02:09.42 | DocScrutinizer | FSCK apt |
| 02:10.50 | DocScrutinizer | why is there no --force option for apt? |
| 02:11.00 | LaoLang_cool | hello |
| 02:11.21 | LaoLang_cool | How to change the default alarm time in calendar? Everytime I create an event or change the event to another date, the alarm will be set or reset to 15min, it's very annoying |
| 02:20.34 | DocScrutinizer | hm? |
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| 02:35.30 | DocScrutinizer | LaoLang_cool: sorry, seems there's no easy way to change that calendar behaviour. I checked binary and gconf, haven't seen any interesting value |
| 02:41.29 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer, thank you, n900's calendar is worse in usage :) |
| 02:42.06 | DocScrutinizer | yes, it has some strange usability issues |
| 02:43.24 | DocScrutinizer | well, apt-get is worse |
| 02:44.30 | DocScrutinizer | it's completely useless since >> The following packages have unmet dependencies: hostmode-gui: Depends: kernel-feature-usbhost<< |
| 02:45.08 | DocScrutinizer | NO way to fix this, it seems |
| 02:46.05 | DocScrutinizer | so I wonder how to install wget, so I could download any package to install it via dpkg |
| 02:48.05 | DocScrutinizer | let's see how annoying HAM can get |
| 02:48.49 | ieatlint | mmm, ham |
| 02:49.17 | DocScrutinizer | fsck HAM "no space on device" |
| 02:49.31 | ieatlint | are you calling me fat? |
| 02:50.38 | DocScrutinizer | no wget in HAM, of course |
| 02:55.08 | DocScrutinizer | OMG http://thefuckingweather.com changed font to some awful serif |
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| 05:10.39 | DocScrutinizer | new USB hotmode script: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1209444#post1209444 |
| 05:10.46 | DocScrutinizer | hostmode even |
| 05:12.35 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: ^^^ |
| 05:12.39 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: ^^^ |
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| 06:43.07 | Sicelo | LaoLang_cool: 15 minutes in calendar? :\ |
| 06:45.25 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: alarm time default is 15min before date |
| 06:46.15 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: how do you like my script? |
| 06:46.30 | Sicelo | let me go there :) |
| 06:47.54 | LaoLang_cool | Sicelo, yes ;p |
| 06:48.24 | r00t|home | <DocScrutinizer> it's completely useless since >> The following packages have unmet dependencies: hostmode-gui: Depends: kernel-feature-usbhost<< |
| 06:48.24 | r00t|home | <DocScrutinizer> NO way to fix this, it seems |
| 06:48.26 | r00t|home | edit /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 06:48.59 | DocScrutinizer | r00t|home: thanks |
| 06:49.57 | r00t|home | just axe whatever dependancies you don't like, will persist until package is reinstalled... i do that all the time... |
| 06:53.58 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer: \o/ |
| 06:55.51 | Sicelo | just one other question .. there's a couple of `if [ $notify ]` lines but it appears that $notify is never false anyway |
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| 06:57.07 | archeyDevil | Yay! |
| 06:57.10 | archeyDevil | Hello everyone :) |
| 06:57.35 | archeyDevil | Anyone know how to get irssi and ping working as a standard user? |
| 06:58.02 | psycho_oreos | suid |
| 06:58.11 | Sicelo | irssi should do so by default. at least mine did :\ |
| 06:58.20 | archeyDevil | :/ |
| 06:58.22 | psycho_oreos | and irssi shouldn't require root really |
| 06:59.05 | archeyDevil | Hmm.. |
| 06:59.09 | archeyDevil | opens vim on the config :P |
| 06:59.25 | Sicelo | maybe you mean `screen` :P |
| 06:59.57 | Sicelo | which is broken for user. a 'fix' is somewhere in the bug-tracker |
| 07:00.07 | archeyDevil | fixed it |
| 07:00.53 | archeyDevil | Over ssh. TERM=xterm irssi :P (doesn't like rxvt-unicode-256colors) |
| 07:02.25 | archeyDevil | Hmm.. Strange.. /channel -auto ##mychan freenode chanpass doesn't auto connect... |
| 07:02.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | Sicelo: $notify is env that you either define differently in shellscript, or use >> notify="" start-hostmode |
| 07:03.02 | Sicelo | ah, gotcha :) |
| 07:03.15 | Sicelo | loves this |
| 07:03.52 | archeyDevil | loves his Nokia n900 ( got it today ) Installed. Openssh, rootsh, irssi, vim, maybe a few other things.. But thats all that comes to mind atm :) |
| 07:04.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | Sicelo: same as $debug |
| 07:04.42 | archeyDevil | configured openssh to require keys :-) Anyone got openssh and letting passwords login? (gsm/3g/etc hackable) |
| 07:04.56 | archeyDevil | bruteforce |
| 07:05.19 | Sicelo | problem with gui is that some "fool" might start h-e-n without even knowing what it is, and drain my battery doing nothing. or worse, still, connect a charger while h-e-n is active (not that i'm in the habit of sharing my N900) |
| 07:05.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | Sicelo: debug=true start-hostmode |
| 07:05.28 | psycho_oreos | someone I don't think there's a likely chance you'll get hacked via 3G/GSM because most ISP runs NAT |
| 07:05.44 | archeyDevil | psycho_oreos: pfttt. |
| 07:05.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | Sicelo: debug=true notify=false start-hostmode |
| 07:06.09 | archeyDevil | All you need is an ip and the ability to brute force. |
| 07:06.15 | psycho_oreos | archeyDevil, or if you really want to be extra paranoid, there's a thing called fail2ban |
| 07:06.51 | psycho_oreos | not really, you can't SSH to your N900 or any other linux powered handhelds if they were only connected to 3G/GSM |
| 07:06.53 | archeyDevil | Meh |
| 07:07.07 | archeyDevil | Umm. Yes you can.. I did |
| 07:07.19 | psycho_oreos | which carrier? |
| 07:07.27 | Sicelo | you have a 'nice' carrier |
| 07:07.31 | archeyDevil | Exetel which uses optus lines. |
| 07:07.34 | psycho_oreos | indeed |
| 07:07.44 | archeyDevil | is happy :) |
| 07:07.53 | psycho_oreos | they must be handing out static IP for GSM/3G owners |
| 07:08.11 | archeyDevil | Normally I don't have to worry about any uploads with this isp however mobile sadly includes upload :( |
| 07:08.17 | archeyDevil | Static ip is great :) |
| 07:08.41 | Sicelo | doesn't mind dynamic, as long as ports are open |
| 07:08.41 | archeyDevil | Static for business plan w\ 2cents per meg :) |
| 07:08.51 | archeyDevil | All ports open :) |
| 07:09.03 | Sicelo | which is rarely ever the case |
| 07:09.48 | psycho_oreos | doesn't want to divulge into debating conflicts in interests but he has through crazy johns that goes through vodafail (ahem vodafone) network. For the records, no they don't do SSH forwarding so there's no direct access between his device and computer running on completely separate connections |
| 07:09.52 | archeyDevil | XD Music it's polling out? I've got sshfs and I'm copying my music to my phone and it changes as the songs finish :) |
| 07:10.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | hey, you know I could drain your battery in like 2h with a simple ping to your IP? |
| 07:11.02 | archeyDevil | Shouldn't do that.. |
| 07:11.06 | archeyDevil | Well. VERY slowly. |
| 07:11.49 | archeyDevil | doubts 2hrs |
| 07:14.52 | archeyDevil | DocScrutinizer51: |
| 07:16.11 | Sicelo | he's just scaring you : |
| 07:16.27 | Sicelo | lol.. DocScrutinizer51 knows what he's saying |
| 07:16.54 | Sicelo | actually that's documented somewhere, tmo or wmo |
| 07:17.12 | psycho_oreos | most likely on tmo first |
| 07:17.33 | archeyDevil | loves his phone :) |
| 07:17.49 | archeyDevil | got it for AU$120 of eBay XD |
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| 07:36.34 | archeyDevil | laughs at mass storage mode :P (Will prevent me from using a section of the storage on my phone... sshfs ftw!) |
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| 08:25.12 | archeyDevil | How to align the shortcuts in a grid of some sort? |
| 08:27.26 | archeyDevil | ?? |
| 08:32.54 | archeyDevil | :( |
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| 08:46.45 | psycho_oreos | I don't think you can with shortcuts on the desktop |
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| 10:20.25 | Sicelo | psycho_oreos: archeyDevil .. iirc Theme Customizer can do it.. although i can't swear to it |
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| 10:31.18 | Estel_ | archeyDevil, scp via ss gotone disadvantage - it's much slower than mass storage |
| 10:31.42 | Estel_ | if You're copying 8GB of music or videos it does matter ;) |
| 10:32.09 | Estel_ | although, it can be faster if You do it via usb connection and usb networking (still without mass storage) |
| 10:32.19 | Estel_ | slower than mass, but quite usable |
| 10:32.52 | Estel_ | it's also possible to do some fancy things like loopback image file for mass storage |
| 10:33.10 | Estel_ | even with auto adjusting size. But I havent tried/need it myself |
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| 10:33.27 | Estel_ | BTW, welcome to the world of real FOSS linux device ;) |
| 10:33.39 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, thanks a lot, will test new script |
| 10:33.58 | Estel_ | I appreciate You rememberdd about me while posting it :) |
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| 10:38.24 | sLumPia | Hi, is this possible: talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1209438&postcount=486 |
| 10:44.32 | Sicelo | you could check via gconf .. if it's not there, your chances are slim |
| 10:45.12 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, You've said that it's not possible to sense what speed is ok for usb device, yet we can't do that without 5V |
| 10:45.21 | Estel_ | and with 5V we can't change speed |
| 10:45.41 | Estel_ | isn't it possible to write a script, that repeatedly enables whole procedure on different speeds |
| 10:45.53 | Estel_ | then stick to correct one? |
| 10:46.28 | Estel_ | alternatively, saves correct speed for pid&vid in database, creating personal user database of devices he is using |
| 10:46.37 | Estel_ | so, next time it's blazing fast |
| 10:46.57 | Estel_ | and "probing" for correct speed must be done only once |
| 10:47.21 | Estel_ | of course it should start with most likely speed i.e. high |
| 10:47.38 | Estel_ | so, it would save in database only for low speed or full speed |
| 10:48.02 | Estel_ | what do You think about concept, doable/feasible? doesn't sound like rocket science to me |
| 10:48.45 | Estel_ | + for Your auto script - when should we plug device? |
| 10:49.03 | Estel_ | just plug it and run script? won't it hurt that it was plugged before vbooston? |
| 10:49.15 | Estel_ | using hen gui, it makes enumerating fail |
| 10:49.30 | Estel_ | I must plug device *only* after vbooston (second or two after) |
| 10:49.34 | Estel_ | never before |
| 10:51.20 | Estel_ | + could You just shamelessly upload bumped H-E-N version with improved booston script? |
| 10:51.30 | Estel_ | don't need to be maintainer to do that |
| 10:51.45 | Estel_ | it's sitting for a year on random post inside deepless hostmode thread |
| 10:52.16 | Estel_ | and IIRC replacing booston doesn't trigger need for updating gui |
| 10:56.24 | sLumPia | Sicelo: thanks. i will check (i'm not familiar with gconf) |
| 10:57.33 | Sicelo | Estel_: i think that's what blue_led does .. wrt speed |
| 10:58.20 | Sicelo | but the problem is also on N900 .. because i was explicitly doing High-Speed .. but syslog shows 12M stuf.. |
| 10:59.51 | Estel_ | Sicelo, yea, but blue_led script doesn't work + hes not keeping database, so it need to re-try every time |
| 11:00.12 | Estel_ | Sicelo, hm |
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| 12:10.48 | MrPingu | Docscrutinizer, you are rignt something is unstable in some part of wlan0 |
| 12:11.30 | MrPingu | I was browsing with MicroB, suddenly wlan disconnected and wanted to reconnect but no go |
| 12:12.34 | Estel_ | never ever encountering anything like that |
| 12:12.35 | MrPingu | Hmm other AP then, well same problem. Another AP, no go. I wouldn't connect to any AP anymore. |
| 12:12.50 | MrPingu | *it |
| 12:13.36 | Hurrian | MrPingu, must be you then, never experienced crash in wl1251 driver even with hours of downloading |
| 12:13.45 | MrPingu | Then decided to load bleeding edge drivers, to see if driver was crashed but even with loading bleeding edge and even unloading again |
| 12:13.55 | MrPingu | Rebooted, everything was fine |
| 12:14.31 | MrPingu | I have dmesg logs and I was standing next to all tested APs |
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| 12:22.33 | MrPingu | Anyway, nothing should bust wlan... Besides I didn't do anything special |
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| 12:47.48 | felipec | merlin1991: I found what NetworkManager is doing, it's using the modem directly, so to the same from the command line wvdial can be used :) |
| 12:48.08 | felipec | through /dev/ttyACM0 |
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| 13:25.24 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: you can't use database as you don't get *any* info before VBUS, and you can't change speed _after_ |
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| 13:29.43 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: the script is meant to be run (and tested for) _after_ plugging in peripheral |
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| 13:32.19 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: if your peripheral doesn't provide own VBUS via extremely cheap&crappy circuitry for supplementary powersupply, there will be no way for N900 or peripheral to detect it's been plugged in as long as no VBUS from N900 boost |
| 13:33.15 | Macer | damn |
| 13:33.19 | Macer | had a hard drive going bad |
| 13:33.21 | Macer | replaced it |
| 13:33.28 | DocScrutinizer | if however the peripheral _is_ providing 5V to VBUS, you actually will see problems when plugging in too early |
| 13:33.31 | Macer | rebuilding the raid.. a 2nd hard drive has bad sectors |
| 13:33.32 | Macer | great :) |
| 13:33.46 | Macer | nothing it couldn't fix during the rebuild by remapping the bad ones but still |
| 13:34.08 | Macer | now i have to rma, wait for return, replace the 2nd bad one, send 2nd one out for rma |
| 13:34.11 | DocScrutinizer | same brand and build of drives? |
| 13:34.15 | Macer | yes |
| 13:34.21 | DocScrutinizer | swap all |
| 13:34.31 | Macer | i can't... have to keep the raid live |
| 13:34.36 | Macer | i can swap one at a time tho |
| 13:34.53 | Macer | i replaced one of the WD with a Seagate 3TB |
| 13:35.04 | Macer | and am working on boxing the first WD to go out :( |
| 13:35.47 | Hurrian | rebuilding RAIDs? frickin slow on volumes filled to the brim with content |
| 13:37.46 | DocScrutinizer | apropos raid: you know (some) HDD will drastically reduce throughput even on *shouting* near the rack? ;-P |
| 13:38.00 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer, problem could easily be solved by 5v USB power supply and Y-cable |
| 13:38.21 | Hurrian | gets new idea: built-in mintyboost for N900? |
| 13:39.12 | DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: I don't see how that's solving the problem I described above |
| 13:39.28 | Macer | Hurrian: i know :( |
| 13:39.39 | Macer | i've been rebuilding this one for like.... 10 hours so far and it's only 45% |
| 13:39.43 | DocScrutinizer | au contraire it will exactly create the situation that's problematic |
| 13:39.56 | Macer | i don't think size matters... it still has to run through the drive and put the parity on it |
| 13:40.08 | Macer | size/amount of data |
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| 13:41.41 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: for background rebuild that sounds... normal |
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| 13:42.03 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: yeah it is |
| 13:42.15 | Macer | it's a 3TBx4 raid 5 |
| 13:42.54 | Macer | my 1TBx8 took like.... 24hrs or so to rebuild when i swapped a drive on it |
| 13:43.36 | Macer | this synology's 128MB of ram is murder tho |
| 13:43.53 | Macer | i might get a higher end qnap and shove 1TB drives into the synology and give it to my parents :) |
| 13:46.16 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders if a dd if=raid of=/dev/null will speed up things |
| 13:46.56 | Macer | haha |
| 13:47.24 | Macer | no.. it won't ;) |
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| 13:51.01 | jacekowski | 1TB drives are for kids |
| 13:51.12 | jacekowski | i'm thinking about upgrading my 3TB to 4TB drives |
| 13:52.32 | DocScrutinizer | I'm waiting for my 'new' laptop with 500G drive ;-D |
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| 14:04.49 | Hurrian | jacekowski, waiting for prices to drop, then the 2TB drives get swapped |
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| 14:24.40 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: I could update h-e-n *if* I had the original pkg. The original pkg though is somewhere on moh's PC (or in nirvana) |
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| 14:33.58 | DocScrutinizer | **VOTE!** http://bit.ly/JmchJM !! |
| 14:36.33 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: (and btw NFC about packaging and delivery here ;-D ) |
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| 14:43.16 | cityLights | is anyone here from spain? which 3G sim should I buy for one week vacation? |
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| 14:46.36 | kent_autistic | any tmo mods in here? please please close this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84366 |
| 14:48.33 | kent_autistic | ^ another whatsapp thread |
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| 15:31.31 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: ^^^ |
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| 15:36.22 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, but, isn't int possible to download sources from package interface? IIRC sources used by autobuilder are there too |
| 15:37.38 | DocScrutinizer | I guess some sources for sure can get downloaded, but as mentioned before, NFC here. I just know you need to prepare some files for upload, and sign them and whatnot |
| 15:38.16 | Estel_ | no, no signing |
| 15:38.32 | DocScrutinizer | see? so I suggest *you* do it ;-) |
| 15:38.36 | Estel_ | sign if You want to upload as MAG |
| 15:38.42 | Estel_ | ok, will try :D |
| 15:38.44 | DocScrutinizer | you're more experienced than me |
| 15:38.47 | Estel_ | but but |
| 15:38.58 | Estel_ | I gaine it while uploading truecrypt |
| 15:39.30 | DocScrutinizer | I'll happily review the pkg before you upload it |
| 15:39.37 | DocScrutinizer | or you ping MohammadAG |
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| 15:40.50 | Estel_ | ok |
| 15:41.12 | Estel_ | but but don't expect it very soon, I suxx at providing proper build enviromnent ;) |
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| 15:44.37 | Estel_ | = I can upload it only if I'm actually able to build in and dpkg drop proper source packages |
| 15:45.15 | Estel_ | so preparing proper build envo will take a while. Of course I'll send them for review |
| 15:46.03 | Estel_ | ... unless it will turn out to be much easier to bug MAG to just upload fixed version, as he already got build env ;) |
| 15:47.34 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ping |
| 15:48.26 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer, Estel_ original source http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/hostmode-gui/0.3/ |
| 15:48.41 | DocScrutinizer | the source isn't the porblem |
| 15:49.08 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-05-19 23:32:09] <DocScrutinizer> Sicelo: http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/hostmode-gui/0.3/ |
| 15:49.14 | merlin1991 | oh :D |
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| 15:50.04 | merlin1991 | hm can't find a problem then, what's the change you want todo? |
| 15:50.24 | DocScrutinizer | ship another booston script with the pkg |
| 15:51.08 | DocScrutinizer | well, the problem basically is I got no clue how to use SB and the whole upload process |
| 15:51.49 | merlin1991 | that's easy, take the .tar and .dsc from the page, add an entry to debian/changelog add the new booston script, adjust the hashes and version in the dsc and use the webuploader :D |
| 15:52.02 | DocScrutinizer | and my PC here is basically in EOL maintenance mode |
| 15:52.24 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 15:52.32 | merlin1991 | and I'm pretty sure even in eol mode you can run tar, md5sum and vi ;) |
| 15:52.40 | DocScrutinizer | heads out to enjoy last coffee of his holiday |
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| 16:07.32 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, pong |
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| 16:23.14 | kerio | ls |
| 16:23.16 | kerio | whoops |
| 16:24.00 | MohammadAG | mplayer /home/user/porn.mp4 |
| 16:24.03 | MohammadAG | whoops |
| 16:28.32 | sLumPia | you actually named your porn porn.mp4? pffft...amateur |
| 16:28.34 | sLumPia | :p |
| 16:29.52 | kerio | mplayer /home/user/MyDocs/MohammadAG_s_mom.rm |
| 16:29.57 | kerio | whoops |
| 16:30.43 | Estel_ | I'm going to repeat myself, but most epic typo I remember was done by me - instead of "at least she gave You moral satisfaction" I've written "at least she gave you oral satisfaction" |
| 16:31.02 | Estel_ | in fact it was written in polish, but, moral and oral meaning are same |
| 16:31.08 | kerio | ~assrage |
| 16:31.16 | kerio | no, how do you do this |
| 16:31.28 | Estel_ | ~kerio |
| 16:31.33 | kerio | Estel_: SpeedEvil's ass rage mode beats your typo |
| 16:31.52 | Estel_ | I'm not sure, but, what was it about? |
| 16:31.54 | kerio | although i'm not sure if it was intended |
| 16:32.00 | kerio | he meant mass storage |
| 16:32.05 | kerio | but he skipped m and sto |
| 16:32.19 | Estel_ | sounds like intended |
| 16:32.27 | kerio | still |
| 16:33.13 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, could You please push to repos hen with just boosted version number AND new booston script by DocScrutinizer ? |
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| 16:33.52 | Estel_ | this booston was well tested, it's year old and made many people happy. unfort. only those reading tmo, cause it's not in repos |
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| 17:08.50 | MrPingu_ | Yeah, i missed that script :P |
| 17:09.34 | MrPingu_ | I think I should thank you, for pointing to that script... |
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| 17:32.27 | Estel_ | MrPingu_, exactly. Even involved people could miss it |
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| 17:33.28 | Estel_ | merlin1991, You said that re-building isn't necessary for such small change? |
| 17:33.39 | Estel_ | just adjust hashes manually? |
| 17:34.01 | merlin1991 | Estel_: if you know what debhelper does you don't ever need to "build" a sourcepackage :D |
| 17:34.42 | merlin1991 | and in this case you even have all the ingredients ready so adjust the changelog, boostscript and hashes and you're good to go |
| 17:34.49 | Estel_ | I'm pretty green on all of this packaging/autobuilder stuff |
| 17:35.06 | Estel_ | ok, will do that. Why not? what c o u l d go wrong? :P |
| 17:35.32 | Estel_ | but, I got some things on my device, that I'm sure would make life of other people easier |
| 17:35.33 | merlin1991 | well it's quite easy, the autobuilder expects the source in a certain format, if you keep it that way it doesn't matter how you've built your sourcepackage :D |
| 17:35.56 | Estel_ | mainly things containing of sh scripts sets + .desktop, icons etc |
| 17:36.11 | merlin1991 | only building the actual .debs is a bit harder though even that can be done without sb (if there are no arm binaries needed) |
| 17:36.22 | Estel_ | some made from scratch, some based on work of others. Never uploaded to repos. I would like to put them there |
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| 17:36.45 | Estel_ | You say there is easy way to do that without build enfiromnent? |
| 17:36.49 | Estel_ | envi* |
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| 17:37.21 | Estel_ | as for .debs it can be done via dpkg-build, yep? |
| 17:37.41 | Estel_ | or smth like that. I'm rather interested about what You've said about repositories |
| 17:38.28 | Estel_ | any easy way to transform my "programs" containing just few sh scripts, icon .desktop and, sometimes, sudoers, into working package in repo? |
| 17:38.44 | merlin1991 | sure |
| 17:39.01 | merlin1991 | though it's easier with the scratchbox at hand since you can test things :D |
| 17:39.38 | Estel_ | of course, but don't know why I always got something with higher priority than setting scratchbox properly :/ |
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| 17:39.48 | Estel_ | always promising myself that I'll do it one day |
| 17:39.57 | lokimotive | hey |
| 17:40.18 | Estel_ | hi lokimotive |
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| 17:40.56 | Estel_ | so, merlin1991, sorry for bothering You with questions, but I fail to get how to transform my "bunch of files" into tars as expected by autobuilder |
| 17:41.04 | Estel_ | I understand .desc and hashes |
| 17:41.19 | Estel_ | changelog etc |
| 17:41.25 | merlin1991 | inside the tar.gz there is a folder debian |
| 17:41.30 | merlin1991 | which has a "rules" file |
| 17:41.35 | merlin1991 | this one is invoked by the builder |
| 17:42.10 | Estel_ | ok, so basically I need to grab some random source package from repos, check structure |
| 17:42.17 | merlin1991 | yea |
| 17:42.24 | Estel_ | and reversee-enginer it to prepare mine in same way |
| 17:42.29 | Estel_ | thanks a lot |
| 17:42.49 | merlin1991 | also if there are more then lets say 30 lines in the rules file pick another one :D |
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| 17:43.12 | Estel_ | thought about it but never tried, for reasons unknown I thought it's more complicated |
| 17:43.26 | merlin1991 | a good example is this: rules file https://gitorious.org/~merlin1991/quassel/quassel2go-harmattan/blobs/master/debian/rules |
| 17:43.40 | merlin1991 | and a .install file to say which files to have in the .deb https://gitorious.org/~merlin1991/quassel/quassel2go-harmattan/blobs/master/debian/quassel2go.install |
| 17:44.13 | Estel_ | thanks a lot again, will check them |
| 17:44.15 | merlin1991 | you basically can drop everything but the %: step :D |
| 17:44.26 | merlin1991 | (in the rules file) |
| 17:45.52 | Estel_ | so all of those scare make options are irrelevant in my case... I get it |
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| 17:46.13 | merlin1991 | yeah it's just for my package :D |
| 17:46.42 | Estel_ | noobish noob mode question - %: step is just line after it, or to the end of file? |
| 17:47.06 | merlin1991 | it's a makefile |
| 17:47.22 | merlin1991 | thus of it goes from %: untill the first empty newline ;) |
| 17:47.23 | Estel_ | i.e. it end @ dh --buildsystem... |
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| 17:48.12 | Estel_ | I see, so override_dh also doesnt apply here |
| 17:48.45 | merlin1991 | yep |
| 17:48.56 | merlin1991 | keep in mind you need the debian/control file aswell |
| 17:49.10 | Estel_ | of course |
| 17:49.30 | trumee | I understand qt-components are available in CSSU. Does it mean i can use "import com.nokia.meego 1.0" in qml? |
| 17:49.42 | merlin1991 | trumee: nope |
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| 17:49.53 | merlin1991 | unless you add the qt-components package from extras-devel |
| 17:50.07 | merlin1991 | it provides the harmattan components aswell afaik |
| 17:50.29 | trumee | merlin1991: i want to use the PageStackWindow. Otherwise creating severe pages will be a struggle |
| 17:50.45 | trumee | s/severe/several |
| 17:52.45 | Estel_ | ok, I'm starting to mess with all of this by doing trivial nobrainer foolproof updating of HEN - all hostmode users can start to fear already ;) |
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| 18:00.35 | lokimotive | is it possible to control the status led on the n900 via dbus? |
| 18:01.09 | lokimotive | i only found this: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-activate-led but the command doesn't seem to work |
| 18:01.29 | lokimotive | i get no error - it just does nothing |
| 18:03.07 | Estel_ | merlin1991, pgp signature etc in .dsc file doesn't matter? |
| 18:03.26 | merlin1991 | yep you can upload unsinged packages aswell |
| 18:03.44 | Estel_ | so for: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/h/hostmode-gui/hostmode-gui_0.3.dsc |
| 18:03.56 | Estel_ | I can delete parts related to pgp? |
| 18:04.14 | merlin1991 | I'm not 100% sure but I think so |
| 18:04.59 | Estel_ | will compare that to truecrypt .dsc and adjust accordingly |
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| 18:19.34 | Venemo | hey guys |
| 18:19.37 | Venemo | Estel_: ping |
| 18:20.01 | Estel_ | Venemo, pong |
| 18:20.13 | Venemo | what's up Estel_ ? :) |
| 18:20.40 | Estel_ | is working on uploading update to hostmode |
| 18:21.02 | Estel_ | but, I'm sure You're pinged me on purpose, so, lets go straight to the merit :) |
| 18:21.25 | Venemo | I was just looking for someone to chat with, and your name popped into my head :P |
| 18:21.35 | Venemo | an a more serious note though |
| 18:21.47 | Venemo | do you know how I can apply for the new device program? |
| 18:22.20 | Estel_ | it depends on which category |
| 18:23.12 | Venemo | well, I haven't found details on any of them yet |
| 18:25.20 | Estel_ | community awards - as recognition for past deeds. New Council will decide winners, only self-nominations, without reasoning (people deserving one are known enough to the Council) |
| 18:25.34 | Estel_ | coding competition - search for approriate thread on tmo |
| 18:26.37 | Estel_ | Nokia Store and QT5 categories (total of 2) - see " '12 device program" thread in tmo, qgil is managing those |
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| 18:29.22 | Venemo | yep, I'm reading both threads |
| 18:29.26 | Venemo | no clear info on entering |
| 18:31.52 | Venemo | hrm |
| 18:32.13 | Venemo | I also see that there's been a lot going on in TMO since last time I checked |
| 18:34.29 | Estel_ | qt and nokia store not defined yet, qgil is to start them soon |
| 18:34.46 | Estel_ | cc same, but managed by cc team (who?) |
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| 18:35.22 | Estel_ | community awards - I proposed to start receiving submittions now, as new council will decide, not needed to wait with starting |
| 18:35.27 | Estel_ | yet, no one answered ;) |
| 18:36.04 | Venemo | mmhm |
| 18:36.12 | Venemo | who's the council? |
| 18:36.22 | Venemo | I've been kinda out of the loop for a long time |
| 18:36.38 | Estel_ | merlin1991, could You please link me (or pastebin) to any .dsc file of maemo package *not* from maemo.org package interface? It seems that every from "source" is tagged via pg internally in autobuilder |
| 18:37.18 | Estel_ | I'm sure I haventb signed one for truecrypt, just sent them via scp using my public keys, yet, result is same as with hen .dsc |
| 18:37.32 | Estel_ | I'm sure You have one from Your projects ;) |
| 18:38.02 | Estel_ | Venemo, next Council not decided, we're having election now, from 16th may to 23th may |
| 18:38.16 | Venemo | ah |
| 18:38.24 | Venemo | so that's why got a mail about voting on them? |
| 18:38.42 | Estel_ | well, mail was quite self-explanatory :P |
| 18:38.45 | Estel_ | yea |
| 18:38.57 | Estel_ | "them" as "them" - I'm also candidate ;) |
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| 18:39.56 | Venemo | I see |
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| 18:44.13 | Venemo | ok, you've got a vote :P |
| 18:45.24 | Estel_ | thanks ;) |
| 18:46.58 | merlin1991 | Estel_: http://paste.debian.net/170306/ |
| 18:47.48 | Estel_ | thanks a lot. Why the hell hen .dsc got same file hashed 2 times |
| 18:47.59 | Estel_ | with different sums? 0_o |
| 18:48.14 | merlin1991 | huh? |
| 18:48.19 | Estel_ | so for: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/h/hostmode-gui/hostmode-gui_0.3.dsc |
| 18:48.51 | Estel_ | erm, I think I answered myself |
| 18:48.58 | Estel_ | first time it's sha1 sum |
| 18:49.03 | Estel_ | later, md5sum |
| 18:49.06 | merlin1991 | yea :D |
| 18:49.10 | Estel_ | I can skip sha1, yep? |
| 18:49.25 | merlin1991 | be happy on ubuntu they even have a sha256 sum additionally xD |
| 18:49.35 | merlin1991 | just do both |
| 18:49.38 | merlin1991 | better be safe |
| 18:50.06 | Estel_ | ok, should be easy from N900 eh? |
| 18:50.15 | Estel_ | I'm doing all on device :P |
| 18:50.46 | Estel_ | md5 sum is trivial, I must just find something to sha1 |
| 18:50.56 | Estel_ | btw Your .dsc doesn't contain sha1 :P |
| 18:51.03 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 18:51.06 | merlin1991 | sha1sum? |
| 18:51.10 | Estel_ | lol |
| 18:51.17 | Estel_ | thanks ;) |
| 18:51.42 | Estel_ | don't You think it's sad that after two years (latest hen update) it's done via me? :P |
| 18:51.52 | Estel_ | for me it's great, I'm gaining experience |
| 18:52.29 | Estel_ | but imagine inasion of such noobs on repos when I document uploading to repos in a way that finally will be understandable |
| 18:52.37 | Estel_ | devel will become real -devel again |
| 18:53.28 | Estel_ | don't enter without forcefield and small arsenal :P |
| 18:53.49 | Venemo | Estel_: what do you mean? -devel has always been like that |
| 18:54.19 | Estel_ | not necessary true |
| 18:54.41 | Estel_ | very average joe have -devel enabled now, if not just because many stable packages are stuck there |
| 18:54.51 | Estel_ | due to absent maintainers, lack of votes or whatsnot |
| 18:55.01 | Venemo | yep |
| 18:55.07 | Venemo | that was the case a year ago too |
| 18:56.51 | Venemo | at some point, the devs didn't really feel like pushing their apps to extras for that very reason. |
| 18:57.06 | Venemo | if everyone has -devel enabled, why bother with that voting thing anyway? |
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| 19:09.28 | RST38h | Venemo: Because it makes you feel legit ? :) |
| 19:10.02 | Venemo | RST38h: yep, I agree, I was just sayin what those guys were thinking |
| 19:10.07 | RST38h | Venemo: Because there may still be a few old-guard policy-making fans who LOVE creating policies for people and insisting that everyone obeys? |
| 19:11.55 | Venemo | well, this reminds me that I should've pushed Puzzle Master 2.0 to the Maemo 5 repos |
| 19:12.04 | Venemo | but I don't have an N900 to test it |
| 19:13.17 | Venemo | meh |
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| 19:15.54 | Venemo | I'm not pushing untested software |
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| 19:21.41 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, it was necessary to remove i2c line from boostoff? Why You haven't mentioned that? |
| 19:22.12 | Estel_ | any risk was involved in using boostoff *without* removing that line in conjuction with new booston |
| 19:22.13 | Estel_ | ? |
| 19:22.22 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 19:22.42 | DocScrutinizer | just useless double reset of charger chip |
| 19:23.50 | DocScrutinizer | I published that improved booston to be compatible with former stuff, so it actually is. Doesn't mean it's optimal way to integrate it |
| 19:25.45 | DocScrutinizer | in fact I was thinking about en even niftier setup where booston and boostoff are hardlinks (or symlinks) to same file, and you'd need no boostoff script at all. But I was too lazy and didn't want to "brag" with over-sophisticated stuff |
| 19:26.09 | Estel_ | I see |
| 19:26.33 | Estel_ | I see |
| 19:26.37 | Estel_ | well, funny thing. No one uploaded it for half year, then, I uploaded it with mag independently |
| 19:26.56 | Estel_ | fortunatelly, he made higher version number, so autobuilder wont vomit on us |
| 19:27.00 | DocScrutinizer | I asked you to ask for a review |
| 19:27.27 | Estel_ | yea, but I got nothing to review, as merlin teached me to do it without building actual package |
| 19:27.40 | DocScrutinizer | quite obviously this eview was meant to happen _before_ upload to repo |
| 19:27.47 | Estel_ | just grabbing current sources, replacing booston, adjusting version number, changelog and hashes |
| 19:28.01 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 19:28.23 | Estel_ | entirely true. I just wasn't sure what is to review here, Your own new booston? |
| 19:28.36 | DocScrutinizer | the whole package |
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| 19:28.39 | Estel_ | if I would do it with building package, I would surely sent it |
| 19:28.56 | Estel_ | no package in my case, unnecessary for uploading, even if it sounds crazy |
| 19:29.02 | DocScrutinizer | beginning with "my own" booston which you might have picked an old version |
| 19:29.09 | DocScrutinizer | to version number |
| 19:29.12 | DocScrutinizer | to changelog |
| 19:29.21 | Estel_ | no, no, just latest published |
| 19:29.25 | Estel_ | but I got the point |
| 19:29.46 | Estel_ | but I get Your point* |
| 19:31.03 | Estel_ | well, if You would like someone to upload something without any respect to risk management, You can always count on me ;) |
| 19:31.25 | DocScrutinizer | on reviewing changelog I would've recalled the boostoff stuff |
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| 19:34.23 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders if the bug with enabled --filebox is still unfixed |
| 19:34.38 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ^^^ |
| 19:36.10 | teotwaki_ | Jaffa: around? |
| 19:36.27 | DocScrutinizer | oh dang, and we should've added a postinstall to edit mce.ini to include the PatternVBoost |
| 19:37.13 | Jaffa | teotwaki_: Yup |
| 19:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | hi Jaffa |
| 19:37.36 | teotwaki_ | Jaffa: can I pick your brain regarding some software architecture questions? |
| 19:37.41 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: o/ |
| 19:37.44 | Jaffa | teotwaki_: Sure |
| 19:38.12 | Jaffa | teotwaki_: Travelling tomorrow so about to go and spend time with the missus. Would email conversation be OK? |
| 19:38.13 | teotwaki_ | ok, so, I use ZMQ to provide IPC (in a kind of erlang-messaging fashion) |
| 19:38.15 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: you ever even noticed the indicator pattern that booston comes with now? |
| 19:38.24 | Jaffa | teotwaki_: Shiny |
| 19:38.36 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, of course |
| 19:38.38 | teotwaki_ | Jaffa: sure, I'll send you an email tomorrow then |
| 19:38.44 | Jaffa | teotwaki_: That OK? |
| 19:38.59 | teotwaki_ | yeah, no worries, not on a deadline or anything, go have fun :) |
| 19:39.14 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: so how are users updating to new h-e-n supposed to get to know about, and handle/install it? |
| 19:39.47 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: we at very least should've mentioned the needed steps in changelog |
| 19:39.50 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, via changelog ;) |
| 19:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: though I prefer a postinstall script with a few sed cmds |
| 19:40.10 | Estel_ | but why not to do this postinst? |
| 19:40.21 | DocScrutinizer | you're too slow ;-P |
| 19:40.29 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, package haven't gone thorough autobuilder anyway |
| 19:40.34 | Estel_ | :P |
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| 19:40.39 | Estel_ | no update yet |
| 19:40.48 | Estel_ | we're still @ status quo |
| 19:40.55 | Estel_ | not queyed even |
| 19:41.26 | Estel_ | autobuilder just told both of us to GTFO, or, in fact, haven't told anything, nor accepted updates |
| 19:41.36 | MohammadAG | mine got through and built fine |
| 19:41.39 | MohammadAG | yours, didn't |
| 19:42.31 | Estel_ | oh. You've said otherwise a minute ago ;) |
| 19:42.46 | Estel_ | well, probably I uploaded lower version after Your higher |
| 19:42.58 | Estel_ | 0.3-1 vs 0.4-1 |
| 19:43.13 | Estel_ | vs old 0.3 in repos |
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| 19:44.18 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, could You please zerobin me a proper .changelog? |
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| 19:45.05 | Estel_ | I'm going to scavenge it for edu purposes that will result in me uploading some stuff that aren't in repos |
| 19:45.36 | Estel_ | that people are bugging me to do for ages, and I was never desperate enough to install scratchbox properly ;) |
| 19:45.48 | Estel_ | I mean not changelog from inside /debian |
| 19:45.56 | Estel_ | but changelog as per autobuilder needs |
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| 19:52.52 | Estel_ | merlin1991, ^ above request also apply to You, if You could |
| 19:53.22 | Estel_ | without it, ham/fapman doesn't show changelog, and changelog can't be pulled from sources in package interface |
| 19:53.28 | merlin1991 | Estel_: changelog as per autobuilder needs is the changelog in debian/ |
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| 20:15.11 | MrPingu_ | Whats the best solution to create a high quality screencast of N900 screen? |
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| 20:17.42 | Estel_ | merlin1991, thanks a lot |
| 20:18.10 | MrPingu_ | My intention is to record a good video on cleven, faircrack, wifite and aircrack-ng. Yet I have no idea how I should capture the screen... |
| 20:18.49 | Kilroo | Hook up the TV-out cable to your DVR? |
| 20:18.57 | Estel_ | very funny |
| 20:18.58 | Kilroo | ...I have no idea. |
| 20:19.09 | merlin1991 | just use gstreamer to sink it? |
| 20:19.38 | Estel_ | I remember someone asked about it ages ago and got working, satisfying answer... yet can' remember it, something with gstreamer sink |
| 20:19.44 | Estel_ | oh, this :D |
| 20:19.49 | merlin1991 | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Capture_movie_directly_from_N9/N950_screen#Merlin1991_-_package_name_and_repository_for_gst-launch |
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| 20:21.05 | Estel_ | who remember which file I need to delete, in order to make N900's menu re-arange itself alphabeically? |
| 20:21.14 | Estel_ | alphabetically* |
| 20:22.08 | MrPingu_ | that's harmattan stuff? |
| 20:22.20 | merlin1991 | applys to maemo5 aswell |
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| 20:24.04 | MrPingu_ | oh I see, I am on device missed the command in the IRClog, Im sorry |
| 20:25.49 | MrPingu_ | How does it affect performance? |
| 20:26.14 | merlin1991 | well if you don't save to an sd it probably is goign to be quite laggish |
| 20:27.35 | MrPingu_ | Hmm I have swap on sd |
| 20:28.10 | MrPingu_ | Best way is to enable swap on emmc, write movie to sd and do my thing... |
| 20:28.15 | DocScrutinizer | iirc cpu load applet comes with screenshot and screencast |
| 20:28.28 | Sicelo | MrPingu_: also have a look at load-applet .. has a screencast option |
| 20:28.34 | Sicelo | :P |
| 20:28.42 | Sicelo | ah, DocScrutinizer beat me to it ;) |
| 20:28.43 | DocScrutinizer | though it often been more jerky than anything else for me |
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| 20:29.17 | MrPingu_ | Well I thought it didn't work, from what google told me |
| 20:29.41 | MrPingu_ | I think will go the gstreamer way |
| 20:30.12 | DocScrutinizer | I think the AV-cable approach & VCR/DVR is a good one |
| 20:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | VDR even |
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| 20:34.14 | MrPingu | Really, sorry if you see an flying AP |
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| 20:34.52 | MrPingu | The damn thing just crashed again, as always... |
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| 20:35.55 | Estel_ | I just wonder how much hassle would it take to update recaller, allowing it to record in ogg |
| 20:36.27 | Estel_ | not only aac, wav and flac (flac doesn't work for me and never have been - I'm trying to figure out now why) |
| 20:36.31 | MrPingu | DVR, seems a good one. However have to check if thing has a AV in... |
| 20:37.02 | Estel_ | although keep in mind that Your video will be @ pal resolution at best |
| 20:37.10 | Estel_ | = little blurred |
| 20:37.34 | Estel_ | with too much contrast etc |
| 20:37.41 | Estel_ | I would do gstreamer way |
| 20:38.32 | MrPingu | Probably, as I can be nearer to the AP for better hacking results ;) |
| 20:38.40 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 20:39.03 | Estel_ | haven't You though about spending 30$ on wrt54gl router? |
| 20:39.34 | Estel_ | linux powered, solid as nothing I've seen... |
| 20:40.00 | MrPingu | I'm forced to stay with the one of my provider, which is unfortunately modem+router =( |
| 20:40.01 | Estel_ | moddable - people are making helis, airplanes, rc cars and ehatsnot using it :P |
| 20:40.31 | Estel_ | I see. I was in such situation, so I used modem and my router connected to it's router |
| 20:40.40 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: I'd *really* *really* appreciate recaller fixed to not go apeshit when storage low. It simply never stops notification of "ongoing record" |
| 20:40.43 | Estel_ | won't heko if their router crashes, though |
| 20:40.58 | DocScrutinizer | also sometimes it actually forgets to stop recording at end of call |
| 20:41.09 | DocScrutinizer | resulting in GB of .wav |
| 20:41.22 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, beyond my skills, I'm just thinking about interesting some talented dev to look at it |
| 20:41.44 | DocScrutinizer | I almost did already, as it's so annoying |
| 20:41.53 | DocScrutinizer | *almost* :-P |
| 20:42.08 | Estel_ | :P who You've bugged? or tried Yourself? |
| 20:42.11 | MrPingu | The end of the summer we should get a direct fiber 120mb connection :) So then I start looking for a good router and it seems you already suggested me a nice one ;) |
| 20:42.36 | Estel_ | MrPingu, it's great one, although some might argue that it's old |
| 20:42.41 | Estel_ | I mean, no n |
| 20:42.47 | Estel_ | a/b/g |
| 20:42.57 | Estel_ | no usb and such fancy stuff |
| 20:43.27 | MrPingu | ah don't need usb, our printer as direct LAN ;) |
| 20:43.33 | MrPingu | *has |
| 20:43.34 | Estel_ | although, there are more recent ones using same custom linuxes (Openwrt for max powa or tomato for ease and hassle-free usage) |
| 20:43.41 | Estel_ | nice |
| 20:44.03 | Estel_ | if You don't need wireless N, You won't ever need anything more than wrt54gl |
| 20:44.30 | DocScrutinizer | MrPingu: you _always_ can disable WLAN of such modem-router things |
| 20:44.31 | MrPingu | My dad was sick of our inkjet, so one day he came home with an A3 laserprinter |
| 20:44.38 | Estel_ | just be arefull with wrt54gs and wrt54g - some of them are as reliable, and some castrated, depends on serial number |
| 20:44.42 | DocScrutinizer | then hook up decent AP to ethernet |
| 20:45.09 | MrPingu | Well it's actually the whole modem that crashes |
| 20:45.15 | teotwaki_ | DocScrutinizer: if the wav recording is done properly, it should only use 8KB/s, or 29MB/hour. |
| 20:45.17 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, suggested same thing, although won't help if first ap crashes as whole |
| 20:45.23 | MrPingu | very annoying, fif you are calling |
| 20:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | teotwaki_: fine |
| 20:45.54 | Estel_ | teotwaki, fine, but I like to use recaller for other things than calls recording too |
| 20:46.00 | Estel_ | and, btw, it's not done right |
| 20:46.07 | MrPingu | Estel_ that's what I meant |
| 20:46.10 | DocScrutinizer | teotwaki_: after 4 days that's >1GB |
| 20:46.11 | Estel_ | it's jjust plan waw without cutting frequency etc |
| 20:46.31 | Estel_ | I want ogg for recording from fm radio |
| 20:46.31 | teotwaki_ | DocScrutinizer: FYI, phone recording shouldn't, for most intents and purposes, be done at anything else than 8-bit 8kHz. |
| 20:46.50 | DocScrutinizer | tell that an EE ;-P |
| 20:46.53 | Estel_ | ^agree, yet recaller doesn't "know" that |
| 20:47.19 | DocScrutinizer | though actually for the 8bit I tend to disagree |
| 20:47.20 | teotwaki_ | good point -- VoIP engineer reflexes. |
| 20:47.24 | MrPingu | Anyway hope to do that cleven, faircrack thingy to do very soon, and kill the useless questions in these threads forever :) |
| 20:47.47 | Estel_ | ^agree, yet recaller doesn't "know" that |
| 20:47.58 | Estel_ | MrPingu, good try, but it will raise even more questions |
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| 20:48.35 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: you recently installed an echo? ;-) |
| 20:48.41 | Estel_ | noobs of facepalm level MORE would try to touch it as "seen on tv", because they haven't understood it without pictures |
| 20:48.49 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, :P |
| 20:49.09 | Estel_ | MrPingu, they will fa8l even with direct video, and start asking like |
| 20:49.23 | Estel_ | "itsa doesn t u work me could u hlp?" |
| 20:49.24 | teotwaki_ | faeightl? |
| 20:49.45 | MrPingu | You might have a point... |
| 20:49.50 | Estel_ | "itsa doesn t u work me could u hlp?" |
| 20:50.04 | Estel_ | sry |
| 20:50.05 | DocScrutinizer | yay |
| 20:50.22 | Estel_ | I mean that such videos is good thing to have talking seriously |
| 20:50.26 | Estel_ | don't get discouraged |
| 20:50.47 | Estel_ | I was half-serious, I mean I'm sure it will happen, but, it's not a reason to sop doing such video |
| 20:50.57 | Estel_ | at least some people will benefit from it |
| 20:50.59 | DocScrutinizer | **VOTE!** http://bit.ly/JmchJM |
| 20:51.12 | MohammadAG | is that automated or what ^ |
| 20:51.22 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, is flac working for You in recaller? |
| 20:51.26 | DocScrutinizer | yep, I'm completely automated |
| 20:51.39 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: can't recall |
| 20:51.41 | DocScrutinizer | prolly not |
| 20:51.55 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise I guess I'd use it |
| 20:52.12 | Estel_ | muwt be just some issue with path where it expects flac |
| 20:52.25 | Estel_ | will try to find that out |
| 20:52.36 | MrPingu | I was definitely to do a video, just for show off ;) |
| 20:53.13 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer is also living bash parser - yesterday he defined if script if ash or bash compliant for me + found invalid declaration inside |
| 20:53.15 | MrPingu | wifite2 works nicely on N900 too =) |
| 20:53.50 | Estel_ | actually, karam recently ported some nice tools like mdk2 |
| 20:54.05 | Estel_ | but, I'm always afraid to install things from him |
| 20:54.27 | MrPingu | MDK3 ^^ |
| 20:54.38 | Estel_ | in small part, because he is very, very *not* carefull, uploading stuff with broken dependencies and fixing it with 547855 updates |
| 20:54.47 | Estel_ | (although at the end, it always works ok) |
| 20:55.04 | MrPingu | Do you want my compiled binary? :P |
| 20:55.11 | Estel_ | and, in most part, I think that I'm always afraid he's going to revenge for all battery/speedpatch mocking |
| 20:55.21 | Estel_ | by inserting some nasty thing insie package :P |
| 20:55.27 | Estel_ | I know, silly |
| 20:55.41 | MrPingu | Yeah but batterypatch crap is just uhm let's say crap |
| 20:55.55 | Estel_ | but I don't have time to audit his sources line by line and most of his audience isn't capable of doing it either, for noobiness reasons |
| 20:56.24 | Estel_ | BTW, disclaimer, my thoughts about inserting nasty things was just without reasons |
| 20:56.30 | MrPingu | I know the feeling, I am always a bit scared to install his "stuff" too |
| 20:56.35 | Estel_ | he seems to be nice guy for all purposes other than *patch |
| 20:56.45 | Estel_ | hehe, I see You understand |
| 20:57.00 | Estel_ | and I want Your binary, of course :) |
| 20:57.08 | MrPingu | That's why I still have my own compiled mdk3 binary instead of the one from the repos :P |
| 20:57.16 | Estel_ | any fixes or regressions vs karam's one? |
| 20:57.22 | Estel_ | hehe |
| 20:57.58 | MrPingu | I just grabbed the latest sources from mdk3 homepage and compiled it in SB |
| 20:58.12 | Estel_ | and it works fine, I suppose? |
| 20:58.18 | MrPingu | Yep :) |
| 20:58.38 | Estel_ | it's usefull for routers with rate limiting vs wps reaver |
| 20:58.49 | teotwaki_ | MohammadAG & DocScrutinizer: ever looked at this: http://www.iphase.com/products/product.cfm/PCI%20Express/44 ? |
| 20:58.57 | Estel_ | if You detect rate limiting, you can wait or force router to reboo |
| 20:59.13 | Estel_ | also, some liveboxes (sagem things) got permanent rate limiting |
| 20:59.19 | Estel_ | persisting until next reboot |
| 20:59.32 | MrPingu | haha yeah mdk3 is really stresstesting of AP :P |
| 20:59.40 | teotwaki_ | Estel_: french? |
| 20:59.56 | Estel_ | forcing them to do so by creating zillions of fake clients etc is only way then, unles You want o break pentesting and do impossible (for attacker) thing like pulling plug |
| 21:00.12 | Estel_ | teotwaki, no, at least me. Livebox, yes, it's french |
| 21:00.17 | Estel_ | but also used in Plland |
| 21:00.20 | Estel_ | Poland* |
| 21:00.30 | teotwaki_ | really? Interesting? By Orange/Wanadoo? |
| 21:00.33 | MrPingu | My grandparents have a livebox too |
| 21:00.49 | MrPingu | I live in the Netherlands BTW |
| 21:01.00 | teotwaki_ | Shame you'll never get your hands on a freebox :P |
| 21:01.06 | Estel_ | Orange/Telekomunikacja Polska SA :P |
| 21:01.14 | Estel_ | our "national" provider |
| 21:01.22 | Estel_ | in fact, national/private hybride |
| 21:01.30 | Estel_ | monopolyst, sort of |
| 21:01.33 | DocScrutinizer | teotwaki_: how's this relevant for my living room? |
| 21:02.03 | Estel_ | teotwaki, I don't want to. Livebox is worse router on earth |
| 21:02.10 | Estel_ | ALL it's incarnations |
| 21:02.19 | teotwaki_ | Estel_: and Freebox is one of the best ;) |
| 21:02.28 | teotwaki_ | DocScrutinizer: makes your network card capable of running 100% real-time FFT or word analysis on voip streams. |
| 21:02.42 | Estel_ | is it capable of running OpenWRT? |
| 21:02.51 | DocScrutinizer | errr wut, a FDDI concentrator? |
| 21:02.55 | teotwaki_ | Estel_: nope |
| 21:03.07 | Estel_ | so it isn't one of bect ;) |
| 21:03.14 | Estel_ | it's like comparing iphone to N900 |
| 21:03.23 | teotwaki_ | Estel_: nope, it's not. |
| 21:03.30 | Estel_ | anything with locked, closed firmware is of no interest to me |
| 21:03.33 | teotwaki_ | DocScrutinizer: we bought a couple at work, initially to off-load part of the VoIP work from the CPU, directly onto the network card, but now, we're using it more to do "anger detection". |
| 21:03.59 | teotwaki_ | Estel_: it's not closed, runs a full Linux stack, with published sources, and if you ask the right people, they give you the way to load your own. |
| 21:04.24 | Estel_ | so it is capable of running openwrt |
| 21:04.34 | teotwaki_ | yeah, but you most probably wouldn't want to. |
| 21:04.52 | Estel_ | probably right |
| 21:05.20 | Estel_ | unless You want to do like with arch linux on desktop (set up only needed tools fom scratch) |
| 21:05.51 | Estel_ | but I'm sure You don't get it from Orange, yes?;) |
| 21:05.53 | teotwaki_ | I run a very low-power version of our VoIP server on it, so I can program some ccxml/vxml logic into my phone line. |
| 21:06.02 | teotwaki_ | only from the Free ISP. |
| 21:06.06 | Estel_ | wonderful |
| 21:06.12 | Estel_ | sounds great |
| 21:06.38 | Estel_ | initially I though You're talking about some livebox successor, lol |
| 21:07.23 | teotwaki_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freebox#V6_generation.2C_Freebox_Revolution |
| 21:07.45 | Estel_ | what is this Free ISP? |
| 21:08.21 | Estel_ | ok got answer myself |
| 21:09.40 | MrPingu | Estel_ Aapo uploaded gcompris to devel, you might be interested? ( I read that somewhere) |
| 21:10.42 | Estel_ | yea, I asked him to update it :) |
| 21:10.51 | Estel_ | he was so kind to take it on himself |
| 21:11.10 | Estel_ | actually I've helped him to track down some issues |
| 21:11.45 | Estel_ | ohp, it reminds me that painting electrical schematics doesn't work due to some lacking file |
| 21:11.57 | Estel_ | You can paint, but they wont work (simulate) |
| 21:12.01 | MrPingu | ;) |
| 21:12.03 | Estel_ | must report it to him |
| 21:12.42 | Estel_ | for some reasons it works zillion times faster than same gcompris via easy debian |
| 21:12.51 | Estel_ | at least initial startup |
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| 21:18.45 | MrPingu_ | Yeah, crash #2 |
| 21:19.06 | MrPingu_ | Well semi-crash, only wlan crashed, actually |
| 21:22.28 | MrPingu_ | Going to say good night! |
| 21:22.42 | MrPingu_ | Ciao |
| 21:22.45 | Estel_ | goodnight! |
| 21:22.45 | DocScrutinizer | MrPingu_: one thing for dreaming: |
| 21:23.05 | DocScrutinizer | I found _many_ wlan-modem-routers crash on WPA |
| 21:23.32 | MrPingu_ | I won't downgrade to WEP for sure |
| 21:23.38 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 21:23.47 | DocScrutinizer | maybe if you switch off WLAN, your modem runs stable |
| 21:24.10 | Estel_ | + using router, like we mentioned, as ethernet client |
| 21:24.21 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 21:24.25 | DocScrutinizer | plus proper AP |
| 21:24.36 | MrPingu_ | yeah, thanks :) |
| 21:24.41 | DocScrutinizer | g'nite |
| 21:24.46 | MohammadAG | I need javispedro |
| 21:24.54 | Estel_ | for what? |
| 21:24.56 | MohammadAG | teotwaki, nope, no idea what it is even :p |
| 21:25.05 | DocScrutinizer | well, dunno if javispedro needs you ;-P |
| 21:25.08 | MohammadAG | Estel_, making a video widget for MTF |
| 21:25.15 | MrPingu_ | Btw already busted a "intruder" when router was at wep some years ago :o |
| 21:25.15 | MohammadAG | for Sociality youtube playback |
| 21:25.23 | MohammadAG | the UI is a 100% clone of the internal player |
| 21:25.32 | MohammadAG | but I need help with painting the colorkey |
| 21:25.37 | Estel_ | MrPingu_, You could make him upside down net |
| 21:25.42 | Estel_ | or kitty network |
| 21:25.59 | DocScrutinizer | I plan to set up a honeypot WEP |
| 21:26.05 | Estel_ | :P |
| 21:26.14 | Estel_ | and collect credit's card numers |
| 21:26.15 | MohammadAG | also I need to know how to detect that a swipe started |
| 21:26.50 | MrPingu_ | I doubled security, WPA2 only (turned of mixed, disables some device), Hidden SSID, mac filtering |
| 21:27.12 | DocScrutinizer | dang, you'd think a H-E-N update would cause more noise |
| 21:27.21 | teotwaki_ | MrPingu_: don't bother with mac filtering |
| 21:27.21 | Estel_ | it's funny how many noobs are filtered out just by using hidden network |
| 21:27.32 | Estel_ | teotwaki, cant agree |
| 21:27.32 | teotwaki_ | MrPingu_: it's more hassle than it's worth (which is: zilch) |
| 21:27.36 | DocScrutinizer | hidden SSID is BS |
| 21:28.03 | Estel_ | it is BS yet super effective against script kiddies |
| 21:28.03 | teotwaki_ | that too. |
| 21:28.10 | Estel_ | 99% of them don't know that Your wifi exist |
| 21:28.14 | MrPingu_ | BS? sorry :P |
| 21:28.16 | teotwaki_ | sure they do |
| 21:28.21 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: absolutely not |
| 21:28.25 | Estel_ | and another 1% don't know how to reveal it |
| 21:28.32 | teotwaki_ | they see the network, get signal strength, even AP MAC. |
| 21:28.35 | teotwaki_ | All the info is there. |
| 21:28.47 | DocScrutinizer | au contraire - hidden SSID introduces new security threats |
| 21:28.52 | Estel_ | it is, but not set in plain, untill You're actually transferring |
| 21:29.15 | Estel_ | ah sry |
| 21:29.17 | Estel_ | missread |
| 21:29.24 | MrPingu_ | much traffic so AP ESSID is reveiled quite easil tho |
| 21:29.38 | Estel_ | only during connect |
| 21:29.40 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 21:29.52 | Estel_ | cmon, most script kiddies don't know how to do it without essid |
| 21:30.17 | Estel_ | at least they don't bother AP with fake auth to wpa2 |
| 21:30.17 | teotwaki_ | rule of thumb: if you need to hide to be safe, you're not safe. If you don't trust your encryption to provide good enough security, you shouldn't be operating wifi. |
| 21:30.19 | MrPingu_ | Yeah but who knows to get airodump running, probably know how to use deauth |
| 21:30.30 | Estel_ | useless for them, but bothersome |
| 21:30.32 | DocScrutinizer | plus your device configured to scan and query hidden APs, will disclose all the SSIDs your device is known to, no matter where you are - AIUI |
| 21:31.02 | Estel_ | teotwaki, DocScrutinizer sure thing and I don't claim it's security at all |
| 21:31.18 | DocScrutinizer | it's anti-security |
| 21:31.21 | Estel_ | it's just a thing that makes 99% of mosquitons not notice You |
| 21:31.28 | DocScrutinizer | plus a HUUUGE PITA for administration |
| 21:31.34 | Estel_ | I'm using wpa2 with very strong passphrase |
| 21:31.48 | teotwaki_ | but then again, if your security is good enough, they'll see you, and just skip to the next easy target. |
| 21:31.56 | Estel_ | but I also use hidden network, so, miracolously, idiots stopped to deauth me |
| 21:31.59 | MrPingu_ | Besides android can't handle all hidden SSIDs |
| 21:31.59 | MrPingu_ | including my router xD |
| 21:32.10 | Estel_ | teotwaki, not true with noobs |
| 21:32.20 | Estel_ | tell me how You secure AP against deauths |
| 21:32.21 | teotwaki_ | Hidden SSID causes the actual useful tools to not work properly, you need to remember your ssid name, etc... it's more trouble than it's worth. |
| 21:32.40 | Estel_ | or Your security isn't good enough and You shouldn't have wifi? ;) |
| 21:32.50 | Estel_ | standards are broken, even using strong encryption |
| 21:32.51 | teotwaki_ | i don't give a fuck about deauths... |
| 21:32.53 | DocScrutinizer | teotwaki_: exactly |
| 21:33.11 | MrPingu_ | deauths are irritating... |
| 21:33.24 | teotwaki_ | well, my neighbours aren't asshats, for one. |
| 21:33.30 | Estel_ | teotwaki, You will give, if You will download something huge and get deauth in middle, and server doesn't support resuming |
| 21:33.36 | Estel_ | exactly |
| 21:33.44 | Estel_ | but, in place where I live |
| 21:33.45 | MrPingu_ | exactly estel_ |
| 21:33.50 | Estel_ | mnay kids try it |
| 21:34.01 | teotwaki_ | and if I notice deauths, I'd pull the plug on my wifi asap 'till the kiddies fly over. |
| 21:34.06 | Estel_ | hidden network is useless in Yoiur user case teotwaki and DocScrutinizer |
| 21:34.12 | teotwaki_ | who the fuck downloads something huge over wifi? |
| 21:34.13 | DocScrutinizer | MrPingu_: a bunch of fsckdup clients trying to roam to your AP as they are meant to associate to neighbour's also hidden SSID are more irritating |
| 21:34.16 | Estel_ | but it doesn't mean it's useless for other cases |
| 21:34.33 | merlin1991 | somebody ran a deauth attack at the university some time ago |
| 21:34.37 | merlin1991 | was funny to watch |
| 21:34.39 | Estel_ | teotwaki, not everyone sits on 120fiber |
| 21:34.53 | Estel_ | My network is so cheap @ bandidth |
| 21:35.01 | Estel_ | that I can use wifi without penalties |
| 21:35.17 | Estel_ | whatever it is, watching stream, downloading, no matter what |
| 21:35.23 | Estel_ | deqauths are irritating |
| 21:35.24 | teotwaki_ | my router downloads huge files -- no disconnection possible. If it's a movie, I consume it over CPL on the telly, if it's a 6GB app, I don't mind plugging in a cable and speeding up the download 100x. |
| 21:35.45 | Estel_ | see above. |
| 21:35.47 | teotwaki_ | streaming is so 2007 :P |
| 21:35.54 | Estel_ | don't care. |
| 21:36.09 | Estel_ | whatever I use, turning hidden network ON made me 0 deauths |
| 21:36.13 | Estel_ | since. |
| 21:36.34 | Estel_ | it doesn't mean I'm not using strong passphrase wpa2 with low time of group key reneval |
| 21:36.56 | MrPingu_ | wpa2 32byte hex key ;) |
| 21:37.06 | teotwaki_ | you just got lucky, if you want i'll check if I still have my aircrack script that deauths everything in range, be it hidden or not -- it used to work fine on the n900, although power hungry. |
| 21:37.22 | Estel_ | nice, but it's not popular amonsgt noobs |
| 21:37.27 | MrPingu_ | whole monitor mode on n900 is power hungry |
| 21:37.37 | Estel_ | I've said zillion of times - hidden network isn't security, it's anti-noob tool |
| 21:37.40 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: see? that's what I'll get a honeypot WEP for. Aloow deauthing fucking script kiddies to "hack" it, then fsck then decently |
| 21:37.41 | teotwaki_ | see, i just got a disconnect from my shitty network card |
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| 21:37.46 | teotwaki_ | did you notice anything? I sure didn't. |
| 21:37.55 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, true ;) |
| 21:38.10 | teotwaki_ | but wifi went down -- none of my downloads, or connections did. |
| 21:38.34 | Estel_ | fine, but, I, for a turn, don't like such bloatboxes like freebox |
| 21:38.48 | Estel_ | damn, sry |
| 21:38.55 | teotwaki_ | whatever floats your boat, I guess. |
| 21:38.57 | Estel_ | it's decent router for sure, but |
| 21:39.09 | Estel_ | if I want to plug hdd to it |
| 21:39.20 | Estel_ | I don't need 250gb inside router |
| 21:39.28 | MrPingu_ | Most of the time I use my gaming machine, connected with a wire |
| 21:39.38 | Estel_ | and cmon, can't write dvb-t movies to external disk due to copyright reasons? |
| 21:39.47 | Estel_ | my router is MY router |
| 21:39.49 | teotwaki_ | Estel_: wha? That works. |
| 21:40.10 | teotwaki_ | Estel_: there's two channels on which that doesn't work -- but stream it through VLC from the router, and dump it to the HD. |
| 21:40.12 | MrPingu_ | but sometimes, it's just more comfortable when you can use a laptop everywhere |
| 21:40.13 | Estel_ | well, so article on wiki is outdated, it was well known issue |
| 21:40.21 | Estel_ | teotwaki, true |
| 21:40.28 | Estel_ | but You must workaround Your own router |
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| 21:40.31 | teotwaki_ | they're just playing ball with content providers, doesn't mean they make it exactly difficult. |
| 21:40.50 | Estel_ | ok, I preffer to have own router that doesn't play ball with anyone |
| 21:41.05 | Estel_ | I just don't like provider's stuff |
| 21:41.10 | teotwaki_ | sure, how much do you pay again every month, and what kind of connection do you have? :P |
| 21:41.11 | MrPingu_ | agree ^^ |
| 21:41.14 | Estel_ | not that I'm saying it's bad for You |
| 21:41.50 | Estel_ | I just mean that Your user habits doesn't need to be valid for others. I preffer minimalistiv approach |
| 21:42.10 | MrPingu_ | I was about to go to bed, hmm I stayed ;o |
| 21:42.17 | Estel_ | freebox got many great things softwqre wise, but for me - I repeat *just* for me, it's bloated like Ubuntu's unity |
| 21:42.25 | MrPingu_ | going for real now, good night! |
| 21:42.31 | Estel_ | MrPingu_, interesting night conversations ;) |
| 21:42.36 | Estel_ | bye bye! |
| 21:42.43 | teotwaki_ | Don't mean to get in a pissing context, am just saying that even though I'm a FOSS dude, and I lobby everyone and their brother against patents, and copyright, and DRM, I have to admire when a company uses free software for "the greater good". |
| 21:43.00 | Estel_ | here I agree 100% |
| 21:43.18 | Estel_ | freebox sounds like something 100% better than any router given by providers |
| 21:43.31 | Estel_ | and people will, probably, always use provider's routers |
| 21:43.38 | Estel_ | so I preffer FOSS ones |
| 21:43.43 | Estel_ | it's just not for me |
| 21:43.55 | teotwaki_ | And that's one thing Free has been doing, all the time. They fought all the stupid copyright laws in France (the one where the french RIAA can just submit a list of IPs, and demand the three strike law is applied against it -- they provide the data back in paper format, and charge the french riaa for the cost of printing it and shipping) |
| 21:43.56 | Estel_ | I don't even need usb port in my router that much ;) |
| 21:44.34 | teotwaki_ | When the government tried to kill off wikileaks' hosting in france, Free and OVH were the only two companies to go "Wait, that's against the constitution" and brought it to court. |
| 21:44.35 | Estel_ | haha |
| 21:44.38 | Estel_ | sounds great |
| 21:44.48 | Estel_ | I mean paper |
| 21:44.54 | Estel_ | printing |
| 21:45.11 | Estel_ | sounds reasonable. Good to have such provider. |
| 21:45.11 | teotwaki_ | yeah, that was brilliant -- sad the masses don't hear about it. |
| 21:45.38 | Estel_ | I would surely subscribe to such provider, yet, our ones are "regular" |
| 21:45.56 | Estel_ | Cable providers less bloated by restrictions, mass ones more |
| 21:46.14 | ThreeM | OVH MUST sue this. the most active consumers from OVH are in the warez business |
| 21:46.35 | teotwaki_ | a decade ago, they kicked the phone industry in the bollocks, by providing free phone to the whole of france, on landlines, and 6 months later, free phone service to 3/4 of the world (landlines). |
| 21:47.12 | Estel_ | would be interested in read about it, any links? |
| 21:47.50 | Estel_ | btw, despite freebox greatness, it's possible to use other routers, and to use freebox on other's lines? |
| 21:47.57 | Estel_ | i.e. not owned by Free? |
| 21:48.01 | teotwaki_ | yeah sure |
| 21:48.25 | teotwaki_ | a few months ago, they did it again, unlimited mobile phone contract, which includes unlimited minutes, texts, mms, 3g (bandwidth limited after 3GB as fair use), free SIM, no early termination fees, no subscription fees, nada... All that, for 15.99 a month (or 19.99 if you're not a prior customer) |
| 21:48.46 | teotwaki_ | and the most beautiful part? 70% of their network is provided by... Orange. |
| 21:48.54 | Estel_ | nice |
| 21:49.03 | Estel_ | but where do they make money, acually? |
| 21:49.23 | Estel_ | and, what about speed limit on 3G after 3GB, any numbers? |
| 21:49.24 | teotwaki_ | for regular users, they have a 40% margin. |
| 21:49.33 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: having conenction problems? |
| 21:49.35 | Estel_ | my suckin provider limit it to 16 kbps ;) |
| 21:49.42 | teotwaki_ | Estel_: no idea to be honest. |
| 21:49.50 | teotwaki_ | Estel_: my girlfriend on the N900 never hit the limit. |
| 21:50.14 | Estel_ | it's nice to have girlfriend using N900, I think ;) just side note |
| 21:50.14 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: why? |
| 21:50.24 | teotwaki_ | she loves it |
| 21:50.38 | teotwaki_ | absolutely unaware it would be able to connect to wifi and stuff, or that it runs Linux. |
| 21:50.41 | merlin1991 | <-- jhb (~joerg@e176092221.adsl.alicedsl.de) hat das Netzwerk verlassen (Quit: Leaving.) |
| 21:50.47 | merlin1991 | assumed that's you aswell :D |
| 21:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 21:50.57 | teotwaki_ | that's his evil twin brother. |
| 21:50.59 | merlin1991 | coming from a german network + joerg |
| 21:51.00 | Estel_ | my ex wife wasn't this type, all I was able to convince her was 9300i communicator :P |
| 21:51.00 | merlin1991 | :) |
| 21:51.59 | teotwaki_ | on a side note -- it's the first time I'm lighting a cigarette on IRC in a long time (while talking on #maemo). Usually, I'd shout out "/me throws a lucky strike to lcuk" -- #knottedstomach. |
| 21:52.05 | Estel_ | so You're saying that Your girlfriend loves N900 without knowing how to mess with linux? |
| 21:52.19 | Estel_ | :) |
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| 21:52.29 | Estel_ | It sound like great complement. |
| 21:52.44 | merlin1991 | hm rate limit would be awesome |
| 21:52.49 | teotwaki_ | well, she knows how to start up the terminal, launch python, and write an infinite loop saying "I love you". |
| 21:52.49 | merlin1991 | I pay per gb |
| 21:52.57 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 21:53.09 | merlin1991 | teotwaki_: I suppose that has to do ;) |
| 21:53.19 | Estel_ | well, lately I've convinced my mother to sell her xperia x10 mini pro and buy N900 |
| 21:53.32 | Estel_ | She's year '53 |
| 21:53.38 | teotwaki_ | hey, I got her to use LyX/LaTeX for her uni work, and git to back it all up! |
| 21:53.42 | Estel_ | no problems at all with usage |
| 21:54.05 | Estel_ | teotwaki, :) technologgy to the masses ;) |
| 21:54.07 | teotwaki_ | next step is Mint 13 with MATE when the stable release comes out. She likes it on the desktop. |
| 21:54.19 | merlin1991 | dafuq is MATE? |
| 21:54.25 | Estel_ | who said N900 wasn't also great for non-geeks? |
| 21:54.27 | merlin1991 | also I should look into LaTeX one day |
| 21:54.30 | teotwaki_ | Gnome 2, made awesome, and supported. |
| 21:54.59 | merlin1991 | hm Gnome 2, that sounds kewl |
| 21:55.15 | Estel_ | I'm all for LXDE |
| 21:55.34 | teotwaki_ | my sister converted her whole Word-based workflow to LyX + BiBTeX (jabref to create the db) for her thesis in roughly 3 weeks. |
| 21:55.37 | Estel_ | I've said about minimalism already, eh? ;) |
| 21:55.59 | Estel_ | nice. Why not LibreOffice? |
| 21:56.07 | teotwaki_ | http://mate-desktop.org/ |
| 21:56.15 | Estel_ | sounds like more natural choose for people accustomed to word |
| 21:56.18 | teotwaki_ | Estel_: because libreoffice sucks as much as office. |
| 21:56.29 | Estel_ | rationale? |
| 21:56.31 | merlin1991 | hm could be a lil more yellowis in the default style for my liking :D |
| 21:56.48 | teotwaki_ | LyX enables you to work on your content, rather than be distracted by layout. |
| 21:56.56 | Estel_ | personally, I like LibreOffice, it works great even on N900 ;) |
| 21:57.19 | Estel_ | oh, I'm getting nrvous hearing that phrase |
| 21:57.32 | Estel_ | most of the times used to rationale hiding interface from me |
| 21:58.06 | Estel_ | when next chromium got url bar hidden by default, they've said that it lets You focus more on content |
| 21:58.31 | teotwaki_ | Estel_: lemme take a couple of screenshots to illustrate, aye? |
| 21:58.32 | Estel_ | heck, If I want fullscreen on text processor or browser, I just hit F11 |
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| 21:58.38 | Estel_ | of course |
| 21:58.42 | Estel_ | thanks for the effort |
| 22:02.54 | teotwaki_ | http://imagebin.org/213163 |
| 22:03.12 | teotwaki_ | http://imagebin.org/213164 |
| 22:03.50 | teotwaki_ | Estel_: ^ |
| 22:05.25 | teotwaki_ | Estel_: LyX hides the complexity of LaTeX, while still empowering you to use all what it offers, and its flexibility. |
| 22:06.21 | Estel_ | thanks for the effort |
| 22:06.29 | Estel_ | damn |
| 22:06.34 | Estel_ | my mesage got deleted |
| 22:06.47 | Estel_ | I meant "thanks for screen,, I also took reading ride" |
| 22:07.05 | Estel_ | looks like really great and powerful tool |
| 22:07.47 | Estel_ | it's for sure really quick when writing pre-defined documents, although doesn't performance hurt when doing non-standarized (layouted) thing? |
| 22:07.58 | Estel_ | You know, custom thing out of regular context |
| 22:08.40 | Estel_ | I mean that it reminds me about .css classes |
| 22:08.48 | Estel_ | teotwaki_^ |
| 22:08.56 | teotwaki_ | well, my girlfriend and sister use a template designed by some german dude |
| 22:09.01 | teotwaki_ | called classicthesis |
| 22:09.14 | Estel_ | nods |
| 22:09.32 | Estel_ | I can imagine it's really great and conveinent to use |
| 22:09.46 | teotwaki_ | for some teachers, who need specific layouts, I write up a quick layout for them |
| 22:09.53 | Estel_ | and that You're able to write many complicated things blazingly fast |
| 22:09.57 | Estel_ | I see |
| 22:10.07 | teotwaki_ | usually very basic stuff, specific margins, spacing, font type and size, that kind of shit. |
| 22:10.34 | teotwaki_ | I use it at work, with a bit more "expert" settings, such as logos, or even presentations |
| 22:10.34 | Estel_ | well, I think it's not for everyone or at least not as sole text editor - I, for one, like to have fine tune about details on every basis :P |
| 22:10.49 | Estel_ | I will surely download it and install |
| 22:11.08 | Estel_ | and probably love it |
| 22:11.20 | teotwaki_ | and code, with highlighting, etc. |
| 22:11.27 | Estel_ | yet can't imagine it replacing LibreOffice with zillion of interface buttons |
| 22:11.42 | Estel_ | that I can invoke @ any time :P |
| 22:12.03 | Estel_ | for sure Lyx is a beast for things that You do often and need repeated styles |
| 22:12.08 | Estel_ | do layout once and forget |
| 22:12.11 | Estel_ | just write |
| 22:12.48 | Estel_ | I'm just like this guy who sits in propeller plane and turn all this knobs manually, instead of buying ultralight personal jet :P |
| 22:12.56 | Estel_ | that flights without me ;) |
| 22:13.20 | Estel_ | which doesn't mean I don't like using jets for inter-dontinent travels |
| 22:13.31 | teotwaki_ | well, it's got everything I need... Tables, table of contents, environments (format, headings), I use it to write our product documentation, release notes, meeting minutes, whatever with it |
| 22:14.06 | Estel_ | I don't know how to explain it properly... |
| 22:14.09 | teotwaki_ | and if something is bothering me, I just drop down to LaTeX and fix whatever the gui doesn't allow me. |
| 22:14.30 | Estel_ | it's like with swype. it's great and speeds writing like hell... Yet I like more to tap on qwerty |
| 22:14.47 | Estel_ | this way, I got like "mental connection" with text |
| 22:14.57 | teotwaki_ | haha -- I asked for a zowie celeritas keyboard for my birthday at the end of the month. |
| 22:15.02 | Estel_ | feeling that someone is formatting something for me, I got actual distracted... |
| 22:15.11 | Estel_ | while interface buttons don't distract me |
| 22:15.17 | Estel_ | just personal preff, I suppose |
| 22:15.19 | trumee | teotwaki_: ++lyx |
| 22:15.33 | trumee | teotwaki_: i have wanting to run Jabref on N900 |
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| 22:15.41 | teotwaki_ | shame it's java-based. |
| 22:15.47 | Estel_ | btw, any way to port lyx to N900? |
| 22:15.57 | teotwaki_ | I wouldn't recommend it, frankly. |
| 22:16.00 | trumee | teotwaki_: yes, nothing comes close to jabref in terms of functionality |
| 22:16.04 | Estel_ | trumee, teotwaki, phoneME for java based? |
| 22:16.07 | teotwaki_ | LaTeX is pretty hefty, think 300MB worth of dependencies. |
| 22:16.20 | trumee | Estel_: yes, i have been wondering about that too. |
| 22:16.21 | Estel_ | 300 mb is nothing |
| 22:16.30 | Estel_ | I got 3GB easy debian image |
| 22:16.38 | Estel_ | and I use LibreOffice on ED daily |
| 22:16.49 | trumee | Estel_: there is a jar for jabref, not sure if phoneME will work |
| 22:16.50 | Estel_ | Lyx looks like perfect solution for on the go writing |
| 22:16.58 | teotwaki_ | let's put it this way, on a good i5 2500K extreme CPU, generating a medium sized (90 pages) document takes 1.3 seconds, or something like that. |
| 22:17.03 | Estel_ | forget formatting and hunting ui button with stylus |
| 22:17.20 | Estel_ | hm |
| 22:17.21 | teotwaki_ | On a 1 year old Pentium something (girlfriend computer), it takes roughly 40 seconds. |
| 22:17.33 | Estel_ | trumee, we need to check ;) |
| 22:17.45 | teotwaki_ | on a 600Mhz ARM CPU? I don't dare ask. |
| 22:17.52 | Estel_ | teotwaki, You mean generating *after* writing? |
| 22:17.56 | teotwaki_ | yeah |
| 22:18.01 | Estel_ | when You finished and click "generate" ? |
| 22:18.08 | Estel_ | so it's no problem |
| 22:18.10 | teotwaki_ | true |
| 22:18.12 | Estel_ | it can even do it 5 min |
| 22:18.22 | Estel_ | I mean easy of writing itself |
| 22:18.27 | teotwaki_ | it's like "compile time", not an issue for most devs. |
| 22:18.27 | Estel_ | it's important |
| 22:18.32 | Estel_ | yea |
| 22:18.51 | trumee | The UI will need to modified for lyx |
| 22:18.52 | Estel_ | I use LibreOffice on N900 mainly with bluetooth mouse usb keyboard and tv-out |
| 22:19.16 | Estel_ | but for writing on the go, lyx would be great |
| 22:19.31 | Estel_ | trumee, I'll try lys via easy debian |
| 22:19.35 | trumee | I think latex is already available on N900 |
| 22:19.43 | trumee | in the repos. |
| 22:19.47 | Estel_ | but of course version tuned for Maemo would be best |
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| 22:19.56 | Estel_ | hm, nice |
| 22:20.02 | teotwaki_ | trumee: bibtex format is pretty standard, if it doesn't exist, writing a flexiyacc generator/parser would be easy... Integrating that into a small Qt app would be no challenge for MohammadAG. |
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| 22:20.25 | teotwaki_ | 3 weeks 'till it's in extras, methinks, if we got to it. |
| 22:20.38 | Estel_ | MohammadAG is overprojected already |
| 22:20.46 | teotwaki_ | not for me he ain't :P |
| 22:20.59 | Estel_ | it took me year to convince him into update hen |
| 22:21.01 | trumee | teotwaki_: jabref has a very nice plugin which pulls pdf directly from the journal website |
| 22:21.16 | teotwaki_ | I did not know that. |
| 22:21.17 | trumee | teotwaki_: that feature is awesome |
| 22:21.19 | Estel_ | ...and he did it just when I started to do it myself :P |
| 22:22.08 | trumee | teotwaki_: http://www.lhnr.de/ext/localcopy/index.php |
| 22:22.45 | teotwaki_ | nice |
| 22:23.14 | trumee | teotwaki_: have been using it for past few years. love using jabref because of this |
| 22:23.23 | teotwaki_ | povbot: LOGMARKER JABREF |
| 22:23.23 | povbot | teotwaki_: Error: "LOGMARKER" is not a valid command. |
| 22:23.39 | teotwaki_ | povbot: don't worry, google search will do it just fine :) |
| 22:23.41 | povbot | teotwaki_: Error: "don't" is not a valid command. |
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| 22:26.20 | Estel_ | Installing LYX on ed frequired 482 MB of archive ;) |
| 22:26.42 | Estel_ | archoves* downloading |
| 22:26.46 | Estel_ | archives* heck |
| 22:27.15 | Estel_ | 831 MB will be used on disk |
| 22:27.23 | Estel_ | wouldn't call it lightweight :P |
| 22:30.55 | teotwaki_ | heh, it's funny when i see ads for my product on the telly :) |
| 22:36.53 | merlin1991 | hehe |
| 22:53.19 | teotwaki_ | anyway, time for me to hit the sack |
| 22:53.22 | teotwaki_ | 'later dudes |
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| 22:58.59 | Estel_ | merlin1991, quick dirty info, what's about maemo icon in /debian/control ? |
| 22:59.24 | Estel_ | it's somehow bundled as a text string inside control file? |
| 22:59.27 | merlin1991 | yes |
| 22:59.35 | merlin1991 | it's what you see in ham |
| 22:59.43 | merlin1991 | there is a defined one for xterm stuff |
| 22:59.48 | merlin1991 | it's somewhere on the wiki |
| 22:59.50 | Estel_ | hm, thanks... how to transform? |
| 22:59.51 | Estel_ | yea |
| 23:00.00 | Estel_ | remember about defined for terminal only |
| 23:00.25 | Estel_ | somewhere in the wiki is my favorite navigational aid :P seriously though, I'll check it. |
| 23:00.49 | Estel_ | normally there is no widely-remembered way to transform icon into text stuff? |
| 23:01.09 | merlin1991 | uuencode |
| 23:01.51 | Estel_ | thx |
| 23:02.09 | merlin1991 | it's a 48x48 png icon base 64 encoded |
| 23:02.51 | Estel_ | aye. thanks a lot, saves huge searching trip |
| 23:02.51 | merlin1991 | see http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#Maemo-specific_fields |
| 23:03.04 | Estel_ | wow, that saves even more ;) |
| 23:03.18 | Estel_ | +orry for bugging You with numerous questions... |
| 23:03.38 | DocScrutinizer | n8 |
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