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| 07:05.50 | LaoLang_cool | hi, how to let the notification for sms not grouped in one |
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| 07:57.39 | merlin1991 | can't find the wiki page with the allowed user sections for maemo :/ |
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| 08:45.22 | LaoLang_cool | Hi, how to let the sms notification not group into one? |
| 08:45.36 | LaoLang_cool | not be grouped into one |
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| 08:49.43 | ShadowJK | there's no setting for that |
| 08:51.44 | LaoLang_cool | ShadowJK, I have a feeling that it's configureable, maybe need some config file editing |
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| 09:06.06 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 09:06.29 | DocScrutinizer | not afaik |
| 09:06.57 | DocScrutinizer | we recently checked how grouping is done, it's a function of notifier itself basically |
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| 09:09.47 | LaoLang_coo_ | DocScrutinizer, hmm, so sad.. |
| 09:10.36 | DocScrutinizer | see phone-control wikipage |
| 09:11.27 | DocScrutinizer | you however might want to strings the relevant plugin, maybe find a gconf key not publicly known |
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| 09:12.59 | DocScrutinizer | ps delivers /usr/sbin/sms-manager, /usr/sbin/csd -m -p call -p gprs -p info -p net -p sim -p simpb -p sms -p ss |
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| 09:25.50 | DocScrutinizer | LaoLang_coo_: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-04-29.log.html#t2012-04-29T22:59:19 |
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| 09:42.41 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: You can break grouping |
| 09:43.18 | DocScrutinizer | enlighten us, oh master :-D |
| 09:44.17 | MohammadAG | /etc/hildon-* |
| 09:44.36 | MohammadAG | Somewhere there there's a comfig |
| 09:44.57 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 09:45.15 | MohammadAG | Can you ls all those dirs and pastebin? |
| 09:45.20 | merlin1991 | hm omp update /me reads changelog |
| 09:45.21 | DocScrutinizer | I ought mention you're obviously the master of notification: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-31.log.html#t2010-08-31T17:53:47 |
| 09:45.48 | MohammadAG | ls /etc/hildon-* | pastebinit |
| 09:49.14 | MohammadAG | Anyone? merlin1991? :p |
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| 09:50.09 | merlin1991 | sry mag |
| 09:50.09 | merlin1991 | THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API. http://pastebin.com/api |
| 09:50.10 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 09:50.21 | merlin1991 | facepalms |
| 09:50.34 | merlin1991 | seems the pastebinit package in -devel needs an update |
| 09:51.03 | merlin1991 | also DAFUQ since when does pastebin have a login? |
| 09:52.03 | merlin1991 | http://paste.debian.net/168705/ |
| 09:52.47 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: ^^ |
| 09:53.19 | MohammadAG | merlin1991: Pastebin notification-groups.conf |
| 09:53.43 | merlin1991 | http://paste.debian.net/168706/ |
| 09:55.45 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: Remove Group=_grouped_messages |
| 09:55.57 | MohammadAG | LaoLang_coo_: ^ |
| 09:56.27 | k273 | looool |
| 09:58.30 | MohammadAG | merlin1991: Y U NO HV SOCIALITY |
| 09:58.43 | MohammadAG | And gpodder |
| 09:58.45 | merlin1991 | huh? |
| 09:58.51 | merlin1991 | afaik I do have sociality |
| 09:58.55 | MohammadAG | We modify that file |
| 09:59.14 | MohammadAG | Hmm, pastebin notifications.conf |
| 09:59.24 | merlin1991 | ah yeah only have sociality on my n9 :D |
| 09:59.34 | MohammadAG | See |
| 09:59.43 | merlin1991 | and nope I don't need gpodder :D |
| 10:01.07 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you da man! |
| 10:01.54 | MohammadAG | Oh and destination |
| 10:01.55 | DocScrutinizer | (pastebinit) netcat paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
| 10:02.13 | MohammadAG | That overlays the WM_Class with the nane |
| 10:02.29 | MohammadAG | Window with WM_class name |
| 10:02.31 | MohammadAG | Whatever |
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| 10:05.30 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: wtf [sms-message-class-0] ?? |
| 10:05.51 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: Random name |
| 10:06.08 | MohammadAG | Oh |
| 10:06.20 | MohammadAG | Idk, it's the way they implement sounds |
| 10:06.32 | MohammadAG | Fucked up but yeah... |
| 10:07.19 | ieatlint | GeneralAntilles: yes, yes it is |
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| 10:08.14 | DocScrutinizer | still need notifications.conf? |
| 10:08.31 | MohammadAG | Only for a memory refresh |
| 10:08.49 | MohammadAG | I thought I was modifying that |
| 10:09.15 | DocScrutinizer | see your query |
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| 10:11.23 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders how many N900 are available via RDP |
| 10:11.30 | DocScrutinizer | RDA? |
| 10:12.22 | DocScrutinizer | ponders to link his 3rd device to maemo.cloud-7.de for public ssh access |
| 10:13.30 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UAKRq8Bw |
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| 10:15.34 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 10:16.02 | MohammadAG | Sadly there's no .d directoru |
| 10:16.03 | MohammadAG | Y |
| 10:16.27 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: reverse ssh tunnel magic? |
| 10:16.50 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: yes, that's what I thought of |
| 10:17.24 | merlin1991 | and then crate a user on maemo.could.... that is just allowed to run a command (n900access or whatever) |
| 10:17.32 | merlin1991 | which builds a ssh tunnel into your device? |
| 10:18.10 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 10:19.25 | DocScrutinizer | I could even create a dedicated subdomain, like n900-rda.cloud-7.de, and have a CNAME for it |
| 10:19.59 | MohammadAG | thp's mini rant http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CtMb9m6U |
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| 10:20.13 | DocScrutinizer | I don't like to publish dyndns name of my local IP |
| 10:20.40 | MohammadAG | I'm.better.than.egoshin.org |
| 10:21.08 | MohammadAG | Err, abill_uk |
| 10:21.18 | MohammadAG | Not egoshin, sorry egoshin |
| 10:21.24 | merlin1991 | Removing all DKMS Modules |
| 10:21.26 | merlin1991 | huh |
| 10:21.39 | merlin1991 | starts to wonder if apt-get upgrade was such a good idea after all |
| 10:21.51 | MohammadAG | Debian way of kernel modules |
| 10:22.03 | MohammadAG | They'll be rebuilt in postinst later |
| 10:22.13 | merlin1991 | it's the nvidia package :D |
| 10:22.21 | MohammadAG | Yeah |
| 10:22.36 | merlin1991 | and it appears to be stuck |
| 10:22.36 | merlin1991 | yay |
| 10:22.44 | MohammadAG | It's how I suggested modules on maemo |
| 10:22.56 | MohammadAG | But there's no gcc to build with |
| 10:23.15 | DocScrutinizer | a PITA |
| 10:23.30 | MohammadAG | merlin1991: Don't kill it |
| 10:23.37 | DocScrutinizer | and in my book an overkill as well |
| 10:23.59 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: no worries I'm patient |
| 10:24.28 | merlin1991 | I think it's time I roll my own dist for maemo dev |
| 10:24.40 | merlin1991 | buntkuh is starting to annoy me big time |
| 10:25.24 | MohammadAG | I wish I could have the latest cores of Ubuntu with gnome 2 |
| 10:25.37 | DocScrutinizer | coughs a bit, and curses the realization that adding complexity results in chaos, and chaos creates virus eventually |
| 10:26.05 | MohammadAG | I have nothing against unity |
| 10:26.20 | DocScrutinizer | buntkuh, MOOOO |
| 10:26.21 | MohammadAG | Only the person who decided it was mature enough to ship |
| 10:26.48 | DocScrutinizer | shoot Shuttleworth |
| 10:26.51 | MohammadAG | Or better, the person who made the decision that users will like Ubuntu more |
| 10:26.55 | DocScrutinizer | (or whatever his name) |
| 10:26.59 | MohammadAG | Unity* |
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| 10:27.08 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: ubuntu seems to be user hostile |
| 10:27.15 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: using nouveau drivers by default |
| 10:27.18 | jacekowski | unity |
| 10:27.27 | jacekowski | PA |
| 10:27.30 | merlin1991 | nouveau drivers are awesome :D |
| 10:27.38 | DocScrutinizer | buntkuh is a brainfuck, by design |
| 10:27.44 | merlin1991 | with my card they change into a mode above the monitor resolution |
| 10:27.53 | merlin1991 | perfect :/ |
| 10:27.57 | MohammadAG | Yeah, me too :D |
| 10:28.06 | MohammadAG | It actually scrolls though |
| 10:28.06 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I don't see how it's so brainfuck by design |
| 10:28.17 | merlin1991 | it is linux kernel + xorg + kde |
| 10:28.21 | MohammadAG | It wasn't at some point |
| 10:28.24 | MohammadAG | Kde? |
| 10:28.28 | merlin1991 | and no kernel + wayland + unity :D |
| 10:28.28 | MohammadAG | That's kubuntu |
| 10:28.41 | DocScrutinizer | all taken as hostages by Shuttleworth, then abused |
| 10:28.41 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: buntkuh is kubuntu ;) |
| 10:28.59 | MohammadAG | No, buntkuh is Ubuntu :p |
| 10:29.16 | MohammadAG | Oh wayland |
| 10:29.19 | DocScrutinizer | is there a big difference? |
| 10:29.22 | DocScrutinizer | bot crap |
| 10:29.23 | MohammadAG | When will it replace X |
| 10:29.25 | DocScrutinizer | both |
| 10:29.41 | MohammadAG | I'm so excited to break X |
| 10:30.05 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: though give me the alternative with apt based package management, and recent software / drivers |
| 10:30.15 | merlin1991 | and kde / gnome2 :D |
| 10:30.16 | DocScrutinizer | wtf apt |
| 10:30.29 | MohammadAG | Debian |
| 10:30.45 | DocScrutinizer | diff yum aptitude ->files don't differ |
| 10:30.47 | MohammadAG | Apt is not mandatory on a Debian system |
| 10:31.03 | StyXman | MohammadAG: debian is a little behing in kde releases right now :( |
| 10:31.07 | StyXman | behind* |
| 10:31.22 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: debian is also a little behind other realeases |
| 10:31.24 | MohammadAG | Debian packages are always behind really |
| 10:31.33 | MohammadAG | As I said |
| 10:31.39 | merlin1991 | on debian I get no sound or 3d accel unless I roll my own |
| 10:31.52 | MohammadAG | Ubuntu core + gnome 2 = heaven |
| 10:31.58 | merlin1991 | so my requirements: apt, recent, proper window system are only met by kubuntu :/ |
| 10:32.19 | k273 | Linux Mint merlin1991 ? |
| 10:32.26 | MohammadAG | Or Ubuntu with gnome 2? |
| 10:32.56 | merlin1991 | I could try mint one day, but I fear it's going to be even worse than buntkuh :D |
| 10:33.10 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: I really don't see rationale behind dpkg vs rpm wars |
| 10:33.50 | DocScrutinizer | in the end the UI is same for both |
| 10:34.02 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: quite simply I need apt in order todo what I want todo |
| 10:34.05 | merlin1991 | thus no rpm :D |
| 10:34.12 | DocScrutinizer | hell, I even heard aptitude can use rpm as well |
| 10:34.28 | merlin1991 | if there were proper rpm packages for the stuff I use I'd use rpm |
| 10:34.37 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: that's a moot argument |
| 10:34.39 | merlin1991 | I don't prefer on over the other |
| 10:34.46 | DocScrutinizer | I need apt because I want apt |
| 10:34.48 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 10:35.02 | merlin1991 | I need apt because I use stuff that needs apt :D |
| 10:35.10 | psycho_oreos | alien ftw |
| 10:35.17 | merlin1991 | bah |
| 10:35.24 | merlin1991 | alien only drives me crazy |
| 10:35.57 | DocScrutinizer | alien or buntkuh and shuttleworth madness, your choice |
| 10:36.53 | MohammadAG | User preference |
| 10:37.08 | DocScrutinizer | honestly the only valid reason you *need* to use apt is you want to develop an apt patch |
| 10:37.50 | DocScrutinizer | I even managed to install maemo SB on a RPM system |
| 10:39.52 | k273 | alien? |
| 10:40.00 | k273 | and why call it buntkuh? |
| 10:40.13 | merlin1991 | k273: kuh is german for cow ;) |
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| 10:40.20 | k273 | oh |
| 10:40.37 | DocScrutinizer | and bunt == colored/checkered |
| 10:40.38 | merlin1991 | and alien is a tool to make rpm packages out of debs and vice versa |
| 10:40.56 | k273 | ah I remember alien, yeah |
| 10:41.02 | k273 | checkered cow lol |
| 10:42.06 | DocScrutinizer | tbh I don't care at all if a new system/distri is rpm or deb now. Things like sysV-init / upstart / systemd matter way more to me - i strongly despise the latter 2 |
| 10:42.32 | merlin1991 | imo upstart is even worse than systemd :D |
| 10:43.30 | merlin1991 | though I still like the elegance of the openelec boot system |
| 10:43.54 | merlin1991 | just shellscripts that properly source a few base settings and then start everything :) |
| 10:44.12 | DocScrutinizer | well, sounds like sysV |
| 10:44.16 | MohammadAG | Upstart isn't that bad |
| 10:44.33 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, see maemo |
| 10:44.35 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 10:45.02 | MohammadAG | Boots fine :p |
| 10:45.15 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: systemd and sysV-init also boot fine |
| 10:45.25 | DocScrutinizer | initctl --help ->Report bugs to <upstart-devel@lists.ubuntu.com> |
| 10:45.35 | Hurrian | wait, is systemd being ported to maemo? |
| 10:45.41 | merlin1991 | Hurrian: no worries:D |
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| 10:45.58 | merlin1991 | not enough manpower to hold DocScrutinizer back whilst we do that in cssu ;) |
| 10:46.00 | DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: no way :-) |
| 10:46.07 | Hurrian | (side note, Ubuntu maintainers don't like systemd, they've spent too much time on their upstart) |
| 10:47.00 | DocScrutinizer | and poettering never would use upstart and fix the few things he doesn't like with it - NIH |
| 10:47.13 | DocScrutinizer | same way he didn't fix ALSA |
| 10:47.16 | DocScrutinizer | NIH |
| 10:47.28 | DocScrutinizer | ~poettering |
| 10:47.28 | infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' |
| 10:48.47 | DocScrutinizer | suspects lennart poetering doesn't know how to read manpages, so prefers to write stuff new himself |
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| 10:53.16 | DocScrutinizer | btw merlin1991, systemd definitely doesn't boot so fine |
| 10:54.04 | DocScrutinizer | openmoko SHR revently adopted systemd, and since then we got all sorts of hickups in boot ;-) |
| 10:54.15 | merlin1991 | well |
| 10:54.30 | merlin1991 | quite possibly you did some configuration wrong ;) |
| 10:54.47 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, and debugging that is real fun in systemd |
| 10:54.49 | LaoLang_coo_ | MohammadAG, thank you! |
| 10:55.05 | DocScrutinizer | indeed, weldone MohammadAG |
| 10:55.07 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: dunno debugging upstart is pita aswell |
| 10:55.18 | DocScrutinizer | no doubt |
| 10:55.32 | merlin1991 | never had to debug sysV-init yet, so nfc there |
| 10:55.32 | DocScrutinizer | ~hail sysV init |
| 10:55.32 | infobot | ACTION bows down to sysV init and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 10:55.35 | MohammadAG | LaoLang_coo_: Remove destination too:) |
| 10:55.49 | MohammadAG | And you're welcome |
| 10:56.48 | LaoLang_coo_ | MohammadAG, remove destination? what does it mean? My english is poor ;p |
| 10:57.21 | MohammadAG | Destination= line in the config file under sms-message |
| 10:57.37 | MohammadAG | Destination=Rtcomm-messaging-ui |
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| 11:17.32 | LaoLang_coo_ | MohammadAG, oh, got it, I've removed all Group=_grouped_messages in that file, and I can't find my config file has any Destination line.. |
| 11:18.08 | LaoLang_coo_ | oh, my mistake.. |
| 11:18.53 | LaoLang_coo_ | I don't know what's the use of Desination line? |
| 11:22.13 | DocScrutinizer | LaoLang_coo_: you don't want to remove _all_ Group=_grouped_messages, just for sms or whatever it's been you were about to tweak |
| 11:22.51 | DocScrutinizer | a secion is from one [some-header] to [next-header] |
| 11:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | LaoLang_coo_: for sms you want to edit section [sms-message] |
| 11:25.07 | DocScrutinizer | [missed-call] might be another candidate for user tweaking, to get a separate notification for each missed call |
| 11:25.37 | LaoLang_coo_ | DocScrutinizer, I don't think group notification is usefule for me :) |
| 11:26.01 | LaoLang_coo_ | I want to see all notification seperately |
| 11:26.25 | LaoLang_coo_ | What does Destination line do? I don't understand the line |
| 11:26.31 | DocScrutinizer | well, for e.g. [chat-message] it might get messy |
| 11:27.00 | DocScrutinizer | it seems Destination somehow links the notification to a window |
| 11:27.39 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG should know details, I guess |
| 11:28.38 | DocScrutinizer | LaoLang_coo_: for [chat-message] this will raise a notifier aiui |
| 11:28.45 | DocScrutinizer | LaoLang_coo_: and this another one |
| 11:28.51 | DocScrutinizer | LaoLang_coo_: and a third |
| 11:29.31 | DocScrutinizer | LaoLang_coo_: not sure if that's what you actually want |
| 11:30.26 | DocScrutinizer | LaoLang_coo_: you probably can't find any time to answer, from all that notifier closing you have to do |
| 11:30.41 | DocScrutinizer | LaoLang_coo_: :-D |
| 11:32.46 | MohammadAG | Destination overlays the notification on the window |
| 11:33.01 | MohammadAG | Without it, the messaging app would be open but the notification would show next to it |
| 11:34.51 | LaoLang_coo_ | thank you all, you're all gurus! |
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| 11:35.30 | DocScrutinizer | dang |
| 11:35.32 | DocScrutinizer | awesome: >>Destination=FIXME << |
| 11:35.48 | chem|st | lol |
| 11:35.56 | DocScrutinizer | moo chem|st |
| 11:36.13 | chem|st | throws some BBQed steaks into channel |
| 11:36.20 | DocScrutinizer | yummy |
| 11:36.52 | chem|st | drop a cheesy sausage in a closed gas griller and you get an instant smoker^^ |
| 11:37.03 | chem|st | *pops* |
| 11:38.27 | DocScrutinizer | cheesy sausage - perverted |
| 11:38.36 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
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| 11:40.41 | chem|st | is there some better than panucci for listening to audiobooks? |
| 11:41.33 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: one of nine... |
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| 11:44.26 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I think my n900 is now becoming wheatbeer'hickups... every now and then some applications crash, the maps-upgrade failed several times... any ideas despise reflashing |
| 11:44.37 | MohammadAG | chem|st: Mind pullimg the plug on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84260&page=3 |
| 11:44.40 | MohammadAG | Pulling |
| 11:46.29 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: umm, maybe flushing |
| 11:47.23 | chem|st | MohammadAG: pulled |
| 11:47.38 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: another suitable idea... |
| 11:47.54 | MohammadAG | Time of death 2:47 |
| 11:47.56 | chem|st | runs to toilet and tries flushing it... |
| 11:48.25 | chem|st | Confirming death at 2:47, he's dead Jim |
| 11:49.22 | chem|st | MohammadAG: it still bothers me that you or even someone like you is after wazzup |
| 11:49.23 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: seriously, rinse it thoroughly again, distilled water, then 99% ethanol |
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| 11:49.35 | DocScrutinizer | then dry for a week |
| 11:50.00 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I doubt it... it was working flawlessly for about a year now |
| 11:50.04 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: get a spare, they're rather cheap now, used ones on fleabay |
| 11:51.28 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: fleabay or ebay? I don't want to order from some ozzy flea-market |
| 11:52.47 | DocScrutinizer | btw, I all of a sudden recall a fixing procedure I did in a NE555 in a automotive wiper interval module: heat the whole chip with soldering iron for 10..15s (probably evaporates humidity that might have gone in thru cracks in chip case), then spray the whole chip with oil while it's still hot |
| 11:53.09 | DocScrutinizer | fixed the wiper interval for another ~3 years, then I sold the car |
| 11:54.52 | DocScrutinizer | might still work today ;-D - or the car is square meanwhile |
| 11:54.59 | chem|st | hehe |
| 11:55.15 | DocScrutinizer | Opel btw |
| 11:56.28 | MohammadAG | chem|st: After? I have an iPhone so I don't _need_ Wazapp |
| 11:56.35 | MohammadAG | I have whatsapp thougj |
| 11:56.44 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: you probably know better than me if silicon oil or mineral oil is better suited for that |
| 11:57.35 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: "acid-free" |
| 11:57.41 | DocScrutinizer | sure thing |
| 11:58.18 | DocScrutinizer | I'm wary re silicon oil, maybe it is a sovent to the silicon chip? |
| 11:58.23 | DocScrutinizer | solvent even |
| 11:58.38 | DocScrutinizer | like mineral oil is to plastics |
| 11:58.42 | StyXman | solvent green! |
| 11:59.09 | StyXman | sorry, it won't happen again... |
| 11:59.17 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 12:00.19 | chem|st | most oils for textile machinery or suitable should do |
| 12:03.04 | DocScrutinizer | nobody _needs_ wazapp |
| 12:03.11 | chem|st | synthetic, oxidation stable, acid-free ~ "nähmaschinenöl" |
| 12:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 12:03.32 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: nobody sane wants wazapp |
| 12:03.56 | DocScrutinizer | I don't even want to recall what it actually _is_ |
| 12:03.59 | chem|st | nobody sane wants apple products without a "power" in its name |
| 12:07.16 | chem|st | those 80% apple fanatics whom need apple products for confidence in/and their circle of friends are poor creatures, the 20% buying it for reasonable facts include 2% reliable and 18% just to do not know better... |
| 12:07.19 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: Some people here can't afford credit for SMS |
| 12:07.50 | MohammadAG | They use PAYG so don't have a data plan |
| 12:08.12 | MohammadAG | And some of those have an S40 device |
| 12:08.33 | chem|st | MohammadAG: some people need to realise that facebook-apps like birthday-calendar are things not replacing things but being additional garbadge so is whatsUp |
| 12:09.00 | chem|st | MohammadAG: what is payg? |
| 12:09.02 | MohammadAG | WhatsApp |
| 12:09.09 | MohammadAG | Pay as you go |
| 12:09.48 | MohammadAG | They use free wifi spots to use whatsapp |
| 12:09.51 | chem|st | in terms of that you want something using even less bandwidth than whatsapp |
| 12:10.11 | MohammadAG | They don't have data |
| 12:10.31 | MohammadAG | And why not FBchat? MSN? Skype? |
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| 12:10.59 | chem|st | icq? or anyother BLINGBLING*shit |
| 12:11.01 | chem|st | ? |
| 12:11.03 | MohammadAG | FB chat is XMPP, there's no easy way to set it up and have it always running on a Symbian fevice |
| 12:11.15 | MohammadAG | They all suck on Symbian |
| 12:11.27 | MohammadAG | Skype sucks battery life |
| 12:11.34 | chem|st | any jabber client will do |
| 12:11.56 | chem|st | and don't tell there arent any good jabber clients for s40 |
| 12:11.58 | MohammadAG | Any jabber client sucks on Symbian chem|st |
| 12:12.11 | MohammadAG | On an N900 you argument is valid |
| 12:12.14 | Termana | Symbian sucks |
| 12:12.20 | Termana | End of story |
| 12:12.25 | DocScrutinizer | well, does this relate to the fact Symbian sucks, by any chance? |
| 12:12.26 | MohammadAG | That sums it up nicely |
| 12:12.32 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: :-D |
| 12:12.49 | chem|st | Termana: thanks for your enlightement... wanna bring hitler into play too? |
| 12:13.08 | Termana | Don't be an angry nazi |
| 12:13.14 | chem|st | thank you! |
| 12:13.59 | MohammadAG | So anyway back on subject |
| 12:14.22 | MohammadAG | Whatsapp is always connected when there's a connection |
| 12:14.32 | MohammadAG | It always runs in the background |
| 12:14.54 | DocScrutinizer | I guess this wazap thing is like skype or twitter: there are better concepts since ages, but the unwashed masses aren't aware and nobody and nothing will make them reconsider now |
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| 12:15.13 | chem|st | how about writing a good reliable jabber client for s40 instead of wazzup for Qt? |
| 12:15.28 | MohammadAG | Better concepts? It is XMPP |
| 12:15.36 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: +1 |
| 12:15.44 | MohammadAG | You could say whatsapp is the best XMPP client |
| 12:15.53 | chem|st | MohammadAG: that is not the concept |
| 12:16.12 | chem|st | does it support FB gmail i++? |
| 12:16.17 | MohammadAG | That's locked to one server |
| 12:17.14 | MohammadAG | Plus the concept of using phone numbers as usernames made it easier for people to connect |
| 12:17.15 | chem|st | one client to serve them all, on my shitty old sony, on my beauty n900... and the successor... |
| 12:18.18 | DocScrutinizer | **VOTE!** http://bit.ly/JmchJM |
| 12:18.21 | chem|st | MohammadAG: oh nice... why not use real names and birthdates? |
| 12:18.51 | MohammadAG | Cause theres a shitload of John Smiths around the world |
| 12:19.59 | DocScrutinizer | there's also a shitload of companies around the world that pay really good for approved real phonenumbers they can spam with SMS and unsolicited phonecalls |
| 12:20.06 | chem|st | MohammadAG: lol, I don't want any shitty software firm to know all my inner guts why should I want them to know my phonenumber? |
| 12:20.24 | MohammadAG | Then don't use it |
| 12:20.30 | DocScrutinizer | BWAHAHAHA |
| 12:20.47 | chem|st | thought you might get it... |
| 12:20.54 | DocScrutinizer | just like googles "does no evil" - right? |
| 12:21.09 | MohammadAG | I'm forced to use it cause it's the only way to talk to certain people for me |
| 12:21.29 | chem|st | MohammadAG: make them use other clients if they want to talk to you! |
| 12:21.34 | LaoLang_coo_ | any one could provide a vim73 for maemo? |
| 12:21.36 | DocScrutinizer | well, for me those people aren't worth talking to |
| 12:21.49 | chem|st | +1 |
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| 12:21.56 | DocScrutinizer | just like those morons that send me .doc |
| 12:21.59 | MohammadAG | There are no other clients on their platform |
| 12:22.14 | DocScrutinizer | my fault? |
| 12:22.35 | MohammadAG | No, but it's not mine or theirs |
| 12:22.46 | chem|st | I know I cannot get any of those lazy basterds to hop on an IRC channel if not providing a "click here and you are in" solution, but a jabber client should be possible? |
| 12:23.04 | chem|st | MohammadAG: speaking of s40 right? |
| 12:23.12 | MohammadAG | That and S60 |
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| 12:24.39 | chem|st | how about bombus? |
| 12:24.44 | DocScrutinizer | LaoLang_coo_: what's vim73 ? |
| 12:24.47 | MohammadAG | Basically whatsapp on s60 is like empathy on the n900 |
| 12:25.02 | MohammadAG | Telepathy even |
| 12:25.09 | chem|st | I used that about 5 years ago and it was usable even on dumbphones |
| 12:25.13 | ruskie | LaoLang_coo_, iirc vim is already available |
| 12:25.21 | MohammadAG | I'm not sure what that is but I guarantee it: |
| 12:25.31 | MohammadAG | OOM kills it |
| 12:25.40 | MohammadAG | Doesn't auto start |
| 12:25.47 | MohammadAG | Doesn't switch connections sanely |
| 12:26.00 | chem|st | MohammadAG: then add up its GPLed |
| 12:26.40 | LaoLang_coo_ | DocScrutinizer, vim.org |
| 12:26.51 | LaoLang_coo_ | ruskie, yes, but it's version 72, not 73 |
| 12:26.52 | MohammadAG | And that means people can edit it |
| 12:26.56 | ruskie | LaoLang_coo_, so? |
| 12:26.56 | MohammadAG | Yet they don't |
| 12:27.13 | LaoLang_coo_ | 73 has some features interesting |
| 12:27.17 | LaoLang_coo_ | that 72 hasn't |
| 12:27.52 | DocScrutinizer | isn't it amazing how this works every single time? provide some shitty service where losers can get something for "free", some morons happily use it and put pressure on all their peer groups to jump on the train as well |
| 12:28.06 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer, only if you let it? |
| 12:28.54 | Termana | Replace "service" with device and it starts to sound like the N950, N9 and the Maemo community. |
| 12:29.05 | DocScrutinizer | I personally don't. I e.g. removed skype from all my boxes |
| 12:29.14 | Termana | :p |
| 12:29.27 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: indeed |
| 12:29.33 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer, only for one year, apparently |
| 12:30.06 | DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: "free"? sure, those basterds wanna make big money, that'S the whole purpose |
| 12:30.14 | Hurrian | yeah. |
| 12:30.17 | MohammadAG | Hurrian: Reregistering clears the timer I think |
| 12:30.45 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: OOH? how so, if you're registering with you plain real phone number? |
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| 12:30.54 | Hurrian | i don't really get the point of whatsapp and bbm, you pay for it + mobile data |
| 12:31.12 | chem|st | bbm? |
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| 12:31.22 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: The server doesn't keep track |
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| 12:31.28 | Hurrian | the thing that makes people buy blackberries and deal with the shit software |
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| 12:31.39 | MohammadAG | Which is stupid but... |
| 12:31.40 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: haha again |
| 12:33.44 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: they can change that any time, and they _will_, as soon as their user pool reached critical mass |
| 12:34.00 | chem|st | ouch! |
| 12:34.37 | Hurrian | one of two things happen: people who become so attached to it deal with the changes (see bookFace) or 2, mass user exodus |
| 12:34.45 | Hurrian | (see myspace, etc) |
| 12:34.53 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: It has reached critical mass already |
| 12:35.09 | MohammadAG | They make money from the one time iOS paynent |
| 12:35.17 | Hurrian | MohammadAG: depends what country you're in |
| 12:35.20 | MohammadAG | Whatsapp costs 1.99 on the iPhone |
| 12:35.29 | chem|st | my sister mentioned ' and if you don't pay after 12 month your abook is gone...' she ment just empty as you did not pay for whatsapp so it destroys your previously downloaded abook on your phone and only after you payed you get it back! |
| 12:35.31 | MohammadAG | The app |
| 12:35.56 | chem|st | MohammadAG: it hasn't |
| 12:35.56 | MohammadAG | Abook? |
| 12:36.00 | jaska | whatscrapp |
| 12:36.02 | chem|st | addressbook |
| 12:36.15 | MohammadAG | That's not true |
| 12:36.24 | MohammadAG | Whatsapp only reads the abook |
| 12:36.30 | chem|st | that was a selffullfilling promise |
| 12:36.35 | DocScrutinizer | OOOH GREAT! |
| 12:36.52 | MohammadAG | chem|st: Android right? |
| 12:36.56 | DocScrutinizer | please delete my addr from all your devices - IMMEDIATELY! |
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| 12:37.23 | chem|st | MohammadAG: pls elaborate |
| 12:37.58 | chem|st | I'm no android but you just talk like you became one |
| 12:38.06 | MohammadAG | Huh |
| 12:38.19 | MohammadAG | I'm talking about whatsapp not deleting contacts |
| 12:38.20 | chem|st | what do you mean by 14:36 < MohammadAG> chem|st: Android right? |
| 12:38.28 | MohammadAG | If it does it faces a lawsuit |
| 12:38.49 | chem|st | it was a joke my sister did a few days ago when we talked about whatsapp |
| 12:38.51 | MohammadAG | If it ever did its on android because of the borked sync system |
| 12:39.32 | DocScrutinizer | well, just another spyware, just like facebook |
| 12:39.46 | chem|st | nothin' to worrie but as you mention it iOS sync system is as reliable as a cat between feeding times |
| 12:40.18 | MohammadAG | iOS doesn't sync |
| 12:40.40 | DocScrutinizer | fsckng getting invitation SPAM as some moron uploaded his adrbook with my addr in it |
| 12:40.40 | MohammadAG | Well, not with apps anyway |
| 12:41.19 | chem|st | MohammadAG: why the hell does it read your addressbook? to automagically connect all people in it? I DO NOT WANT THAT |
| 12:41.46 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: facebook does exactly that as well (iirc it was facebook) |
| 12:41.47 | chem|st | MohammadAG: it doesn't exactly |
| 12:42.19 | DocScrutinizer | and of course google |
| 12:42.24 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: if you upload your addressbook yes! google+ does that aswell as soon as possible |
| 12:42.24 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: did you eat my voting token? :D |
| 12:42.32 | merlin1991 | or when should they get sent out? :D |
| 12:42.54 | MohammadAG | chem|st: It asks for permission you know |
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| 12:43.08 | MohammadAG | Wazapp for example doesn't auto sync |
| 12:43.14 | chem|st | for every single entry? |
| 12:43.16 | DocScrutinizer | we are about to check things: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12612#c10 |
| 12:43.18 | povbot | 04Bug 12612: Community Council election process isn't working at all |
| 12:43.39 | MohammadAG | chem|st: No, for the abook |
| 12:43.53 | chem|st | well without syncing what happens? |
| 12:44.15 | chem|st | you enter numbers by hand? |
| 12:44.20 | MohammadAG | You can receive messages and provably add contacts nanuallu |
| 12:44.21 | MohammadAG | Y |
| 12:45.04 | chem|st | but if my mother uploaded her abook she will be notified that I am on, right? |
| 12:45.16 | DocScrutinizer | "may I help you to keep your addrbook safe? (see biglonglegalbullshit.com) [ ]yes, [ ]no, I don't mind you doing it, so go ahead" |
| 12:45.20 | chem|st | or I will get a request at least |
| 12:45.24 | MohammadAG | Not notified no, Viber does that |
| 12:45.44 | MohammadAG | But if she clicks on your contact you'll be on |
| 12:45.45 | chem|st | viber? |
| 12:46.04 | MohammadAG | Yes, Viber notifies you about new contacts |
| 12:46.06 | chem|st | ok there goes your best implementation |
| 12:46.19 | MohammadAG | Viber is WhatsApp for voice |
| 12:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | one big ripoff for morons - sorry, of course except those listening |
| 12:47.12 | MohammadAG | Albeit less stable and keeps a copy of your abook with names on their servers |
| 12:47.12 | chem|st | LOL |
| 12:47.31 | chem|st | MohammadAG: you do know that there is no reason to have 2 programs for that?! |
| 12:47.42 | MohammadAG | chem|st: Yes |
| 12:47.57 | chem|st | strike 2 |
| 12:48.04 | chem|st | MohammadAG: please go ahead |
| 12:48.05 | MohammadAG | And to maje it worse Viber uses a custom voice engine |
| 12:48.20 | MohammadAG | Not modified VoIP |
| 12:48.23 | teotwaki | wtf, that sentence didn't parse. |
| 12:48.43 | MohammadAG | They use their own protocol |
| 12:48.43 | chem|st | teotwaki: which? |
| 12:48.51 | teotwaki | "to maje it worse" |
| 12:48.56 | MohammadAG | Make |
| 12:48.57 | teotwaki | oh, make |
| 12:48.58 | chem|st | MohammadAG: to save live streams? |
| 12:49.03 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: gotta love your comment re council on irc on the bugreport :D |
| 12:49.11 | MohammadAG | They keep a record of phone calls |
| 12:49.11 | DocScrutinizer | teotwaki: enable autocorrection! |
| 12:49.30 | teotwaki | DocScrutinizer: I write my documents using LaTeX, d'you really think I use autocorrect? |
| 12:49.33 | chem|st | strike 3 you are OUT! |
| 12:50.00 | chem|st | can we close the chapter "WhatsApp" now? |
| 12:50.03 | DocScrutinizer | teotwaki: each human brain is using autocorrect all the time, on all channels |
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| 12:50.11 | DocScrutinizer | except yours ;-P |
| 12:50.31 | teotwaki | Oh, and if anyone here still writes their documents with Word or OpenOffice, you need to stop. Right now. Grab LyX, or learn basic LaTeX. You'll thank me later. |
| 12:50.32 | MohammadAG | There's also voxer for a PTT over Internet |
| 12:51.11 | merlin1991 | teotwaki: LaTeX sounds dirty ;) |
| 12:51.14 | DocScrutinizer | **VOTE!** http://bit.ly/JmchJM |
| 12:51.20 | MohammadAG | I use echo "crap" > file teotwaki |
| 12:51.21 | chem|st | teotwaki: a word in proper length and starting and closing silb matching a "real-word"..."should" get corrected by your brains |
| 12:52.19 | teotwaki | MohammadAG: you just wrote "crap teotwaki" to the `file` file. |
| 12:52.19 | chem|st | teotwaki: I tex my CV ever since |
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| 12:52.25 | chem|st | even my CV |
| 12:52.37 | MohammadAG | No |
| 12:52.42 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 12:52.45 | teotwaki | MohammadAG: yes. |
| 12:52.49 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 12:52.51 | chem|st | lol |
| 12:53.03 | DocScrutinizer | ROTFL |
| 12:53.22 | Termana | OMFGWTFBBQROTFLMFAO |
| 12:53.30 | teotwaki | kicks Termana |
| 12:53.35 | teotwaki | long time no see, T. |
| 12:53.43 | chem|st | I bet MohammadAG dropped on to console to test |
| 12:53.47 | teotwaki | (fyi, it's crashanddie) |
| 12:54.02 | MohammadAG | chem|st: I'm testing it in my head |
| 12:54.12 | Termana | teotwaki, ahh, right. |
| 12:54.23 | Termana | I was wondering weather I really knew you or not |
| 12:54.24 | MohammadAG | To me it seems that I had to use echo crap > file << teotwaki |
| 12:54.24 | chem|st | teotwaki: why teh altered nick? |
| 12:54.45 | teotwaki | dunno |
| 12:54.47 | teotwaki | guess I got bored. |
| 12:54.50 | teotwaki | of the old one. |
| 12:54.51 | chem|st | hehe |
| 12:55.03 | MohammadAG | Too much bad luck |
| 12:55.06 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I guess that won't work at all |
| 12:55.21 | MohammadAG | Then how does EOF work? |
| 12:55.46 | DocScrutinizer | you mean here-documents |
| 12:56.03 | teotwaki | <<HEREDOC |
| 12:56.04 | DocScrutinizer | they work with commands using stdin |
| 12:56.07 | teotwaki | content here |
| 12:56.10 | teotwaki | HEREDOC |
| 12:56.20 | teotwaki | for example: |
| 12:56.23 | teotwaki | cat <<HEREDOC |
| 12:56.33 | DocScrutinizer | NOT with echo though |
| 12:56.35 | teotwaki | foobar |
| 12:56.39 | teotwaki | HEREDOC |
| 12:56.44 | MohammadAG | Oh right nvm |
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| 12:56.51 | MohammadAG | Anyway, you're all wrong |
| 12:57.05 | chem|st | yes, and we are proud to be! |
| 12:57.10 | DocScrutinizer | I'm BAD, never wrong ;-P |
| 12:57.11 | MohammadAG | It would return I: command not found |
| 12:57.28 | teotwaki | wtf? |
| 12:57.42 | teotwaki | not it wouldn;t |
| 12:57.54 | MohammadAG | Yes, it would |
| 12:57.58 | merlin1991 | is starting to get some serious brainfuck |
| 12:58.11 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# echo foo >x bar |
| 12:58.12 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# cat x |
| 12:58.14 | DocScrutinizer | foo bar |
| 12:58.15 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# |
| 12:58.19 | teotwaki | $ I foo |
| 12:58.19 | teotwaki | foo |
| 12:58.22 | chem|st | "you dirty useless basterd!" "hey... I'm not dirty!" |
| 12:58.23 | MohammadAG | MohammadAG: I use echo "crap" > file teotwaki |
| 12:58.42 | MohammadAG | Oh... |
| 12:58.49 | teotwaki | $ I use echo "crap" > file teotwaki |
| 12:58.50 | teotwaki | slau@khem-val /tmp $ cat file |
| 12:58.50 | teotwaki | use echo crap teotwaki |
| 12:59.11 | teotwaki | also, just before that I typed: |
| 12:59.13 | teotwaki | $ function I { |
| 12:59.13 | teotwaki | > echo $* |
| 12:59.13 | teotwaki | > } |
| 12:59.24 | MohammadAG | Lol |
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| 12:59.46 | teotwaki | brb, colleague needs help on bugtracker |
| 13:00.25 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: don't mess with unix gurus ;-P |
| 13:01.27 | chem|st | funny networkwall-outlet vlan request in another channel... "in room 666 we need to add up another socket to our vlan" socketNo dvl 666.1 |
| 13:01.54 | Termana | heh |
| 13:02.19 | DocScrutinizer | >:-P |
| 13:02.27 | chem|st | :) |
| 13:03.52 | chem|st | so back to my audiobook problem... is there any non-python audioplayer reading m3u playlists than panucci? |
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| 13:05.11 | DocScrutinizer | trows in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0QmrbHE6w0 for teotwaki's colleagues |
| 13:05.19 | DocScrutinizer | throws even |
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| 13:06.01 | chem|st | I do not want to use mediaplayer as I'd like to keep it A simple and B keep my car-playlist within th widget and not remember the chapter I was in everytime I switch |
| 13:06.02 | teotwaki | haha |
| 13:06.10 | teotwaki | I listened to that not later than last night, DocScrutinizer |
| 13:06.28 | teotwaki | Though, it sounded a lot better on my R3's, than the shitty work headphones |
| 13:07.04 | teotwaki | dives into fixing sprintf's again. |
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| 14:01.27 | DocScrutinizer | well, whole Zoot Allures is an example why gapless mp3 playback is mandatory |
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| 14:02.48 | DocScrutinizer | full album flac FTW |
| 14:03.08 | DocScrutinizer | even better: just .iso, with cuelist |
| 14:08.17 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, good at simple C? |
| 14:08.31 | MohammadAG | return; returns the whole function, break; breaks a loop |
| 14:08.48 | MohammadAG | suppose I have a loop for items in a list, and I don't want to process a certain item |
| 14:08.56 | MohammadAG | how do I break from the loop for only that item? |
| 14:09.03 | MohammadAG | C++* |
| 14:09.16 | DocScrutinizer | continue |
| 14:09.21 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 14:09.34 | MohammadAG | doesn't that continue the function? |
| 14:10.48 | MohammadAG | ah ok, nvm |
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| 14:10.50 | MohammadAG | thanks DocScrutinizer |
| 14:11.03 | DocScrutinizer | continue breaks the current loop iteration, resumes with next iteration |
| 14:11.24 | DocScrutinizer | break breaks the whole loop |
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| 14:30.46 | MohammadAG | what data type would be suitable for 80.6667? |
| 14:30.47 | MohammadAG | float? |
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| 14:32.23 | DocScrutinizer | well, probably int still, keeping in mind you multiply each value by e.g 10.000 before adding/storing/subtracting from that var. And divide the var value by 10.000 before using it for e.g printout |
| 14:33.26 | MohammadAG | that doesn't work in this case |
| 14:33.31 | DocScrutinizer | if your var holds unit foo, than call the var microfoo and assume it holds units of 0.000001 foo |
| 14:33.36 | MohammadAG | also why? |
| 14:33.52 | MohammadAG | it's not a constant *1000, can be 20.1 |
| 14:34.04 | MohammadAG | the data is from a server |
| 14:34.14 | DocScrutinizer | because using float is bad, prone to calculation errors, slow, bloats code... |
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| 14:36.14 | DocScrutinizer | in COBOL there's a thing like 77 foo PIC 999.999999 |
| 14:36.37 | DocScrutinizer | in C there's no such var type with implicit decimals afaik |
| 14:36.50 | DocScrutinizer | I might be wrong |
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| 14:39.36 | jaska | fixed point? |
| 14:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 14:43.40 | luke-jr | fixed point doesn't work if you need floating point |
| 14:43.56 | luke-jr | but a single sample/example doesn't tell you whether you do or not |
| 14:44.53 | luke-jr | although, 80.6667 does suggest 80 and 2/3, rounded to a fixed thousandth point |
| 14:45.10 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 14:45.28 | jaska | cobols is probably bcd fixed point |
| 14:45.52 | DocScrutinizer | jaska: in COBOL you can have all data types you want :-D |
| 14:46.01 | jaska | never seen any real cobol :) |
| 14:46.12 | DocScrutinizer | BCD, display, computational... |
| 14:46.52 | DocScrutinizer | usual (unspecified) vars are BCD |
| 14:47.10 | DocScrutinizer | with a very special sign handling |
| 14:47.41 | DocScrutinizer | I only know as "Ueberloch", a term originating from punchcards |
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| 14:49.11 | DocScrutinizer | 9(4).9(2) DISP is using ASCII representation (without the decimal separator aka dot) in memory |
| 14:49.58 | DocScrutinizer | there's another syntax that allows to include the dot |
| 14:50.15 | DocScrutinizer | COMP is similar to C int |
| 14:52.31 | DocScrutinizer | there's also scientific IIRC, which is basically C float |
| 14:55.41 | DocScrutinizer | (<MohammadAG> it's not a constant *1000, can be 20.1) you need to parse the input, normalize it to the decimal separator |
| 14:56.19 | DocScrutinizer | I just looked into scanf, but didn't find directly to the right format |
| 14:57.29 | DocScrutinizer | basically you extend from "." e.g 4 chars to the right, filling with zeroes, like 20.1 -> 20.1000. Then remove dot. Done |
| 14:58.33 | DocScrutinizer | I'm sure there are stdlibs for that, possibly even in scanf |
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| 15:00.32 | MohammadAG | ../../sociality-mtf/src/albumpage.h:56: error: redefinition of 'class GridItemCreator' |
| 15:00.32 | MohammadAG | ../../sociality-mtf/src/albumpage.h:57: error: previous definition of 'class GridItemCreator' |
| 15:00.34 | MohammadAG | how the fuck |
| 15:00.48 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I used float, well, qreal, it's a typedef to float |
| 15:00.59 | DocScrutinizer | eeeeek |
| 15:01.09 | MohammadAG | it's just for storage |
| 15:01.19 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter |
| 15:01.36 | MohammadAG | what about double? |
| 15:01.46 | DocScrutinizer | you can't "only store" float, you always need to convert to and from float |
| 15:02.10 | DocScrutinizer | and odds are you can't store 20.1 to float at all |
| 15:02.21 | MohammadAG | anyway the compilation error above |
| 15:02.24 | MohammadAG | why does it happen |
| 15:02.38 | DocScrutinizer | it might turn out to become 20.0999999999999834 |
| 15:02.46 | MohammadAG | 56: class GridItemCreator : public MAbstractCellCreator<MWidgetController> |
| 15:02.47 | MohammadAG | 57: { |
| 15:03.47 | DocScrutinizer | (why) binary representation vs decimal representation |
| 15:04.30 | DocScrutinizer | there are perfectly pretty values in decimal you simply can't store in a binary var |
| 15:05.34 | DocScrutinizer | like you can't display 1/3 in decimal |
| 15:07.26 | DocScrutinizer | that's btw the reason why you NEVER should test float == |
| 15:07.48 | MohammadAG | meh, it's because I hate #endif before the end of the .h file |
| 15:08.46 | DocScrutinizer | float is *always* inaccurate |
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| 16:27.55 | jean_brat | hello fellas |
| 16:28.01 | jean_brat | hi DocScrutinizer |
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| 16:34.28 | DocScrutinizer | hi jean_brat |
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| 16:37.19 | jean_brat | hi DocScrutinizer |
| 16:37.54 | DocScrutinizer | [Fr 11. Mai 2012] [17:48:23] <DocScrutinizer> jean_brat: it's absolutely madatory to take care about cdc_phonet kernel module on your PC |
| 16:37.56 | DocScrutinizer | [Fr 11. Mai 2012] [17:48:43] <DocScrutinizer> do "lsmod|grep phonet" |
| 16:37.58 | DocScrutinizer | [Fr 11. Mai 2012] [17:48:56] <DocScrutinizer> if that shows anything, you're in trouble |
| 16:38.00 | DocScrutinizer | [Fr 11. Mai 2012] [17:50:28] <DocScrutinizer> when best part of ~flashing been written, there's been no cdc_phonet kernel module by default on most distros |
| 16:38.01 | DocScrutinizer | [Fr 11. Mai 2012] [17:50:40] <DocScrutinizer> nowadays it's ubiquitary |
| 16:38.34 | jean_brat | it shows nothing |
| 16:39.03 | jean_brat | i black listed as suggested earlier and rebooted the machine before i started anything |
| 16:39.18 | jean_brat | since its a 64bit machine |
| 16:42.02 | DocScrutinizer | humm, maybe you should boot a 32it system. There's a plethora of live-CDs with linux |
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| 16:43.21 | jean_brat | why i am curious is i am not getting any errors |
| 16:44.03 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, flasher seems rather unhelpful regarding proper diagnostic output |
| 16:44.12 | DocScrutinizer | esp for flashing of eMMC |
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| 16:46.28 | jean_brat | there are some GUI wrapper on these flashers for windows |
| 16:46.39 | jean_brat | have you tried them? |
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| 16:54.23 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 16:54.36 | DocScrutinizer | I don't have any windows machine here |
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| 17:09.56 | MohammadAG | yeah, DocScrutinizer opens his windows manually |
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| 17:25.19 | jean_brat | hi DocScrutinizer |
| 17:25.38 | jean_brat | just to narrow down all the possibility |
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| 17:27.22 | DocScrutinizer | jean_brat: evidently your N900 boots, as you see the jumping dots. This means kernel and basic linux system are OK |
| 17:29.25 | DocScrutinizer | jean_brat: if the first boot process results in machine magically shutting down unnoticed, I'd not know for sure what would cause this. Given you flashed eMMC so /home and /opt are existing and empty, and you haven't plugged in any USB during first boot |
| 17:29.36 | jean_brat | if the image file is not properly downloaded, will the excutable will still try to load the image without some kinda crc check or something? |
| 17:29.50 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 17:29.59 | DocScrutinizer | at least for eMMC afaik |
| 17:31.27 | MohammadAG | Community SSU meeting in #maemo-ssu in 30 minutes |
| 17:31.31 | DocScrutinizer | re-download your eMMC (and fiasco?) files, and do a md5sum, compare that to... I guess there are md5sums at Nokia's download site |
| 17:31.39 | DocScrutinizer | YAY |
| 17:31.46 | DocScrutinizer | dammit |
| 17:32.07 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: thanks for reminder |
| 17:33.14 | jean_brat | ok |
| 17:34.49 | MohammadAG | you're welcome :p |
| 17:35.01 | DocScrutinizer | jean_brat: make sure you always use versions tagged 'latest' in right col |
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| 17:37.02 | jean_brat | yes i did the latest one.. am downloading em again |
| 17:37.11 | jean_brat | DocScrutinizer, how to check the checksome? |
| 17:37.28 | DocScrutinizer | md5sum <yourfile> |
| 17:39.27 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> md5sum /home/jr/Documents/N900/maemo5.0-flashing/images/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 17:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | 488809ff96a0a05479d692e9f77aeb4f /home/jr/Documents/N900/maemo5.0-flashing/images/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 17:39.58 | merlin1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.01 | DocScrutinizer | N.B. this might be no correct md5sum in this paste |
| 17:40.05 | merlin1991 | dl the md5sum sfile to the same dir |
| 17:40.06 | merlin1991 | and run |
| 17:40.11 | merlin1991 | md5sum -c SUMFILE |
| 17:40.12 | merlin1991 | :D |
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| 17:57.23 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: how's about your rant now? |
| 17:57.34 | DocScrutinizer | err, trolling you called it |
| 17:57.55 | DocScrutinizer | Community SSU meeting in #maemo-ssu *NOW* |
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| 22:44.12 | teotwaki_ | I don't remember who helped me out here, regarding a connect() issue on UDP connected sockets, but regarding that, I've filed a bug against the Linux man pages: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43249 |
| 22:44.13 | povbot | 04Bug 43249: was not found. |
| 22:44.17 | teotwaki_ | shut up povbot |
| 22:52.52 | DocScrutinizer | *burp* |
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