| 00:00.37 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders what that's been now |
| 00:00.51 | DocScrutinizer | prolly ECHAN |
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| 00:01.15 | DocScrutinizer | or EBRAIN |
| 00:02.16 | cehteh | ENBRAIN |
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| 00:49.13 | DocScrutinizer | wtf a heli or a hornet on meth? |
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| 01:15.01 | cehteh | throwing grass at the bystanders :) .. |
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| 01:27.14 | DocScrutinizer | better than throwing bystanders at the grass ;-P |
| 01:32.04 | cehteh | that was filmed with a iphone, quite wide angle, some figured ended just 3m in front of us |
| 01:46.15 | GeneralAntilles | cehteh, is that yours? |
| 01:46.28 | cehteh | nope |
| 01:46.54 | cehteh | jonas, 14yrs old with a big logo 600 :) |
| 01:47.11 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I got a 450X last month. |
| 01:47.16 | cehteh | ah nice one |
| 01:47.17 | GeneralAntilles | Finally got into RC in December. |
| 01:47.26 | GeneralAntilles | I'm still a terrible pilot. |
| 01:47.31 | cehteh | haha i started in december/janurary too |
| 01:47.33 | GeneralAntilles | All those years of X-Plane only paid off a little. |
| 01:47.34 | cehteh | same here |
| 01:47.41 | cehteh | well i am considering a 300X |
| 01:47.43 | GeneralAntilles | Got a fleet of mCP Xs and a 450X |
| 01:47.50 | GeneralAntilles | 300X looks amazing. |
| 01:47.54 | cehteh | yep |
| 01:47.54 | GeneralAntilles | I'm getting a 130X instead. |
| 01:47.57 | GeneralAntilles | I like the small size. |
| 01:48.06 | cehteh | i have a v120 .. same size |
| 01:48.11 | ShadowJK | logo \o/ |
| 01:48.12 | GeneralAntilles | Less of the holy-shit-this-is-scary feeling. |
| 01:48.39 | cehteh | 130x seems to look nice, but its pricy and 6 minutes flighttime are not promising |
| 01:48.56 | GeneralAntilles | 300X is probably going to be less. ;) |
| 01:49.05 | GeneralAntilles | 450X is 4-5 depending on the level of smack. |
| 01:49.12 | ShadowJK | the sim world is perfect :) |
| 01:49.15 | ShadowJK | real world isn't |
| 01:49.21 | cehteh | hey i get 13.5 minutes from my V120 to batterys empty .. usually i try to fly only 9-10 minutes |
| 01:50.07 | cehteh | well i am not getting one soon .. i wait for it to be proven or even watch and see what new will be there in 6-12 months |
| 01:50.15 | GeneralAntilles | Yeesh. |
| 01:50.24 | GeneralAntilles | My stock mCP X gets about 5. |
| 01:50.28 | GeneralAntilles | Brushless 4-5. |
| 01:50.40 | GeneralAntilles | How big is the damn battery? |
| 01:51.00 | cehteh | the AR7200BX is awesome |
| 01:51.05 | GeneralAntilles | 600mAh. Is that 3D flight? |
| 01:51.07 | GeneralAntilles | Yes it is. |
| 01:51.09 | cehteh | 1S 950mah |
| 01:51.40 | cehteh | the stock batteries are only 650mah .. but i got hobbyking ones from hongkong |
| 01:52.08 | cehteh | hey 650mah costs 7eur here .. the 950mah from hk cost 2,80Eur :) |
| 01:52.44 | cehteh | and no i dont do 3D yet :P |
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| 01:54.13 | cehteh | apropos mcpx .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBrbegOtrsk |
| 01:54.58 | cehteh | he is doing autorotations and bladestops with the mcpx as well (freewheeling mod) |
| 01:55.14 | GeneralAntilles | The HobbyKing batteries don't last many cycles, though. :\ |
| 01:56.17 | cehteh | working for me |
| 01:56.33 | cehteh | i heared mixed impressions, many tell that the 1S are ok |
| 01:56.40 | cehteh | and i dont push them hard |
| 01:56.59 | GeneralAntilles | They work fine |
| 01:57.18 | GeneralAntilles | but their expected lifespan doesn't stack up again Hyperion, ThunderPower, etc. |
| 01:58.10 | cehteh | lets see .. they are cheap and i have plenty now |
| 01:58.56 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah. Not making a judgement. :P |
| 01:58.59 | GeneralAntilles | Just forewarning. |
| 01:59.14 | cehteh | (6 stock 650mah and 12 HK 950mah) .. sum up to flight time of more than 3 hours, i have to push it that i cycle them at least once a week :P |
| 01:59.31 | cehteh | abnd if they die i just order new ones ... |
| 01:59.52 | GeneralAntilles | Tradeoff for more flight time is reduced performance. |
| 02:00.28 | cehteh | which is good for me .. :] ... dont want to order spare parts once a week |
| 02:00.41 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's one big reason Walkera doesn't work for me. |
| 02:00.49 | GeneralAntilles | I can go to my LHS and get any Horizon Hobby part I need. |
| 02:00.58 | cehteh | well V120D02S is quite crash proof |
| 02:01.12 | cehteh | ok |
| 02:01.20 | cehteh | i have to order stuff anyways |
| 02:01.26 | ShadowJK | can't get anything at all locally, except esky which I can get local-ish. :P |
| 02:01.54 | cehteh | i also felt the mcpx is a little to small |
| 02:02.09 | GeneralAntilles | Makes it practically crash proof if you hit throttle hold quickly. |
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| 02:02.17 | cehteh | yes |
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| 02:02.27 | cehteh | haha that was throttle hold :) |
| 02:02.59 | cehteh | today i flew to far away and couldnt see the attitude and came down ... |
| 02:03.06 | cehteh | long walk :P .. |
| 02:03.15 | cehteh | not much happened lukily |
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| 11:01.09 | Dr4s1l | hi all |
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| 11:13.50 | Darkchaos2 | would you send a phone with a broken USB in to Nokia and let them repiar it? |
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| 11:14.44 | Darkchaos2 | (I'm in the guarantee but I don't want a new one without all data, and I don't know how long it takes. Does somebody know?) |
| 11:17.23 | dm8tbr | AFAIK they don't send 'new' n900s and don't repair. They offer things like the N8 instead. |
| 11:17.34 | k273 | I see |
| 11:17.42 | k273 | better fix it for myself |
| 11:18.39 | dm8tbr | if the pads weren't ripped off the PCB, yes. if they were, use enamel wire and the jig port. this has all been sufficiently documented. |
| 11:22.28 | Darkchaos2 | but the N8 neither has maemo nor nitdroid? |
| 11:22.41 | jonwil | The N8 has Symbian |
| 11:22.50 | jonwil | i.e. its junk :P |
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| 11:57.20 | k273 | N9 Meego, N8 Symbian ^3, 800 WinPhone7 |
| 11:57.52 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: I prefer to suggest the direct fix (to next 'living' component inside next can) rather than TP-jig soldering |
| 11:58.10 | DocScrutinizer | Darkchaos2: k273: see |
| 11:58.13 | DocScrutinizer | ~usbfix |
| 11:58.14 | infobot | hmm... usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 11:59.47 | k273 | DocScrutinizer: thanks, already saw it |
| 12:00.09 | DocScrutinizer | Darkchaos2: Nokia definitely likes to "steal" N900 sent in for repair, and thinks they're not obliged to give you adequate replacement - just symbian crap. A lot of users were not even able to make Nokia send them back their unfixed N900 |
| 12:00.31 | k273 | really, that bad, DocScrutinizer ? |
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| 12:01.02 | k273 | the way they treat their consumers, there should be really big migration to other brands |
| 12:01.12 | DocScrutinizer | well, that's the sum-up of what'S been reported by several dozen users during last 12 months |
| 12:01.29 | DocScrutinizer | there should be a class action |
| 12:02.10 | k273 | mhmm |
| 12:02.28 | DocScrutinizer | would teach Nokia what's cheaper: produce another batch of 5000 to get sufficient spare on shelf, or bertray all their customers |
| 12:05.19 | HRH_H_Crab | it seems as though my tracker thing is only indexing mp3 files. |
| 12:06.29 | DocScrutinizer | look, let's assume I was developing (with a dozen other guys) a complete suite with all the specialized tools for search&rescue and ERT crews, based on N900/maemo and local battery powered ruggedized WLAN AP (some with SAT uplink) |
| 12:07.08 | HRH_H_Crab | has something changed? i can still play flac from the filesystem - they just dont seem to show up in the media player (im using open media player but the stock player doesnt behave differently) |
| 12:07.12 | DocScrutinizer | we got 5 customers, biggest of them bought 1200 N900 for all their crews |
| 12:07.24 | k273 | woohooo party time!!! |
| 12:07.55 | DocScrutinizer | now what's my balance when Nokia refuses to deliver spare parts / swap devices / working successors |
| 12:08.36 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: then you're to blame for not securing the life-cycle of such a large-scale deployment. |
| 12:09.16 | DocScrutinizer | me and a dozen other guys worked either in vain during a whole year, or we will get sued by our customers for not providing support for those expensive custom designed systems |
| 12:09.30 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: indeed |
| 12:09.34 | k273 | DocScrutinizer: that's awful |
| 12:09.51 | DocScrutinizer | k273: I said "let's assume..." |
| 12:09.54 | k273 | ah bad bad bad moooooves, these days, Nokia |
| 12:10.24 | dm8tbr | this argument is void and just spreading FUD. so it's EOD for me here. have a nice sunday everyone. |
| 12:10.26 | k273 | yes, DocScrutinizer |
| 12:10.38 | k273 | FUD? |
| 12:11.10 | dm8tbr | lmgtfy.com/?q=FUD&l=1 |
| 12:11.48 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: nevertheless I could (even legally) expect a minimum service duration of several years from Nokia for a device of >500EUR class |
| 12:12.30 | DocScrutinizer | while in fact Nokia denies any service even during legal warranty time of devices bought last year |
| 12:13.05 | dm8tbr | as I said it's EOD for me. your point is moot. if there is a legal case, bring it to a german court. |
| 12:13.34 | DocScrutinizer | I hope somebody *will* do this, but to an american court |
| 12:13.54 | k273 | ah, that, dm8tbr |
| 12:14.29 | k273 | we in Indonesia also feel effed up too |
| 12:18.38 | k273 | Statements that Windows has lower total cost of ownership (TCO) than Linux, in Microsoft's "Get-The-Facts" campaign. It turned out that they were comparing Linux on a very expensive IBM Mainframe to Windows on a PC.[13][14] |
| 12:18.40 | k273 | lolz |
| 12:22.16 | jaska | try comparing to z/os and related stuff on that same mainframe.. the license fees are pretty high afaik :) |
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| 12:35.17 | DocScrutinizer | wonders... |
| 12:35.20 | DocScrutinizer | ~eod |
| 12:35.20 | infobot | it has been said that eod is End Of Discussion |
| 12:35.58 | DocScrutinizer | already pondered "End Of Days" |
| 12:45.13 | k273 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pegy1ZjDO8I&feature=player_embedded |
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| 15:02.50 | Macer | hm |
| 15:02.59 | Macer | i shouldn't have problems mismatching hard drives in a raid should i? |
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| 15:44.17 | SpeedEvil | It depends. |
| 15:44.45 | SpeedEvil | If you have 10 1T, and one 750M - then clearly it gets more complex |
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| 15:49.46 | jacekowski | Macer: hard drives in raid should be mismatched |
| 15:50.03 | jacekowski | Macer: as in, different manufacturers, batches |
| 15:50.26 | jacekowski | Macer: so in case there is a problem with one make or batch you don't have them all fail at the same time |
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| 15:55.46 | cehteh | jacekowski: with today sloppy harddrive quality they have much spread on failure rates :P |
| 15:56.32 | cehteh | always worked for me that one or two drives failed early enough to get a warranty replacement from another batch within the first half year or so |
| 15:58.39 | Macer | heh |
| 15:58.56 | Macer | ok... well jacekowski that answered my question |
| 15:59.06 | Macer | i am asking because i usually use the same make/model of hard drives when i replace them |
| 15:59.13 | Macer | but in this case i am going to replace a wd with a seagate |
| 16:13.06 | SpeedEvil | noissue |
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| 17:03.09 | DocScrutinizer | matching sizes make things simpler though |
| 17:04.12 | DocScrutinizer | btw all this applies to redundant raid classes only |
| 17:05.38 | DocScrutinizer | for a non-redundant raid, I'd probably actually use one brand and model of HDD only |
| 17:07.23 | DocScrutinizer | since one drive failing means raid down anyway, so keeping track of possible issues in your raid hw is way simpler if you have a homogen zoo of drives |
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| 18:36.06 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ping |
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| 18:39.16 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I've made a good start on the issue but left you and fiferboy a few: "council election delayed" and some apps |
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| 21:32.12 | DocScrutinizer | **VOTE!** http://bit.ly/JmchJM |
| 21:32.58 | DocScrutinizer | (which expands to:) http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q1/2_2012 |
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| 21:35.17 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, OK. |
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| 21:48.14 | tgalal | MohammadAG: u there? |
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| 21:52.13 | DocScrutinizer | hey GeneralAntilles o/ |
| 21:53.34 | MohammadAG | tgalal, yeah, heading to bed though |
| 21:53.45 | MohammadAG | sup? |
| 21:54.55 | GeneralAntilles | Hey-oh. |
| 22:01.43 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: if you're short on topics for MWKN, the current move to a "cssu-extras repo" of some sort might be interesting, incl tomorrow's 1800UTC meeting on #maemo-ssu |
| 22:02.42 | GeneralAntilles | Umgh |
| 22:02.48 | GeneralAntilles | I don't have enough coherence tonight to add articles. |
| 22:02.54 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 22:02.59 | GeneralAntilles | Sunday is the worst possible night for me to be doing MWKN |
| 22:03.07 | GeneralAntilles | It's my Friday in more ways than one. |
| 22:03.39 | DocScrutinizer | well, anyway I'd appreciate you joining meeting tomorrow :-D |
| 22:05.55 | GeneralAntilles | What, you want me to troll? :P |
| 22:06.02 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 22:06.43 | DocScrutinizer | your trolling is magnitudes better than some other seriously meant contribution |
| 22:07.07 | GeneralAntilles | I'm putting that on my tombstone. |
| 22:07.14 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 22:08.29 | DocScrutinizer | hands a Friday evening drink to GeneralAntilles |
| 22:08.39 | GeneralAntilles | I wish! |
| 22:08.43 | GeneralAntilles | is on cold medicine instead. |
| 22:08.49 | DocScrutinizer | EEEW |
| 22:09.09 | DocScrutinizer | damn, get well soon |
| 22:09.28 | GeneralAntilles | Week.5 now. |
| 22:09.43 | DocScrutinizer | I know that, seems I had same shite |
| 22:09.54 | GeneralAntilles | It's everywhere. |
| 22:12.55 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: OT, shall I get T60 (http://www.pc-topline.de/product_info.php?products_id=9) or C-29 (http://www.pc-topline.de/product_info.php?products_id=33&XTCsid=4f1928851668e404a3fc800d5a3f69f6) ? |
| 22:13.13 | GeneralAntilles | You really want to lug a Toughbook around? |
| 22:13.21 | DocScrutinizer | err CF-29 |
| 22:13.49 | DocScrutinizer | when I really do lug some laptop around, then I prefer a toughbook |
| 22:14.04 | GeneralAntilles | I'd get the Lenovo, personally. |
| 22:14.11 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 22:14.11 | GeneralAntilles | But I don't abuse my devices very much. |
| 22:14.19 | DocScrutinizer | that'S the point |
| 22:14.26 | DocScrutinizer | me neither |
| 22:14.44 | GeneralAntilles | Almost half the price. |
| 22:14.50 | GeneralAntilles | So if you break it you can just get another one. :P |
| 22:15.00 | DocScrutinizer | this laptop here is home for spiders, despite I'm using it 24/7 |
| 22:15.07 | DocScrutinizer | it never really moves |
| 22:15.51 | GeneralAntilles | Why not get: http://www.pc-topline.de/product_info.php?products_id=29 ? |
| 22:16.44 | DocScrutinizer | is it "better" than the T60? regarding build quality etc. Or at least same? |
| 22:17.33 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, good question. |
| 22:18.26 | GeneralAntilles | Should be the same build quality. |
| 22:20.52 | DocScrutinizer | do you by any chance know if it's glossy screen or matte screen |
| 22:22.01 | GeneralAntilles | ThinkWiki doesn't say. |
| 22:22.09 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 22:29.42 | DocScrutinizer | well, seems it's matte |
| 22:31.25 | GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, lintblog is your blog! |
| 22:31.33 | GeneralAntilles | epiphanies. |
| 22:33.23 | DocScrutinizer | though >>1680x1050 Pixel, WSXGA TFT, Samsung LTN154P3-L02 Panel,<< (http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Lenovo-Thinkpad-T500-Notebook.11940.0.html) vs >>1280 x 800 WXGA<< on that pc-topline page. GPU also differs. WTF?! |
| 22:35.51 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, the resolution kinda sucks. |
| 22:36.02 | GeneralAntilles | Looks like it's the base model. |
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| 23:01.30 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, yeah |
| 23:02.21 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, looks good. And allegedly good linux support |
| 23:02.50 | DocScrutinizer | I think it's t500 then |
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