| 00:02.30 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer; I was 2 hours then, and now 3 hours ;p |
| 00:04.13 | DocScrutinizer | often too much for me |
| 00:05.33 | DocScrutinizer | I knew I've read sth about memory effect this afternoon or sometime, on N900, but I didn't read that much backscroll when I came back home |
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| 00:27.24 | DocScrutinizer | r00t|home: http://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/2009.pdf http://il.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=PAS414HR-VA5R |
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| 00:31.30 | MassRoute | SELL CC US,UK,AU | SMTP, MAILER, RDP, PHP SHELL, C99, R57 | |
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| 00:35.39 | DocScrutinizer | WTF? |
| 00:37.00 | ShadowJK | "new wing design on github" < this actually happens already in RC |
| 00:37.18 | DocScrutinizer | I bet it does |
| 00:38.49 | ShadowJK | aw, reached end of scrollback again :) |
| 00:39.00 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 00:39.17 | DocScrutinizer | in the up or down direction? |
| 00:40.13 | ShadowJK | down |
| 00:40.56 | ShadowJK | as in, I'm now realtime! |
| 00:40.56 | ShadowJK | for awhile atleast |
| 00:45.03 | DocScrutinizer | idly scrolls up, to find how far back the scroll goes |
| 00:45.27 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-05-08 21:55:39] hmmm |
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| 00:51.29 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs and starts another few experiments with dark mater |
| 00:57.14 | DocScrutinizer | won't dark matter emit any radiation when akkretion into a black hole happens |
| 00:57.17 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 00:57.26 | DocScrutinizer | mater* |
| 00:57.49 | DocScrutinizer | matter** |
| 00:57.52 | DocScrutinizer | damn |
| 01:01.09 | ShadowJK | Can you tell the difference? |
| 01:01.34 | DocScrutinizer | well, maybe |
| 01:02.04 | ShadowJK | has a feeling mass of blackhole, mass of surrounding stuff, and radiation emitted are all unknowns really |
| 01:02.13 | DocScrutinizer | if it's near enough to "watch" it, it should look rather strange |
| 01:04.11 | ShadowJK | Presumably you'd need a black hole flying around in intergalactic space too? |
| 01:06.49 | ShadowJK | What if the universe wrapped around, in the sense that if you traveled really long in one direction you'd come back to your origin, would the indirect effects of gravity all cancel out, or would it add an extra effect noticeable over large scales? |
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| 01:14.15 | SpeedEvil | ##physics |
| 01:16.15 | ShadowJK | no way, they probably actually know stuff :P |
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| 03:39.32 | Estel_ | hey Maemo. What You would recommend as solution for hassle-free file (not only between vfats) transfer metod between 2 N900's, without any other device in between? |
| 03:40.06 | Estel_ | most prefferably, something easier than scp over ad-hoc - I'm thinking about solution for my mother's N900 |
| 03:40.46 | Estel_ | it doesn't need to be foolproof, but not overly complicated. As last resort, I may write sh scripts to ease more complicated solutions |
| 03:40.57 | Estel_ | and gui in future + upload to -devel :P |
| 03:41.38 | Estel_ | both N900's are running kernel-power, CSSU Testing, busybox power, of course root access |
| 03:53.55 | Hurrian | Estel_, bluetooth? |
| 03:54.13 | Estel_ | thought about that, but, how? pairing, then what? |
| 03:54.14 | Hurrian | how big and how many files are we talking about? |
| 03:54.30 | Hurrian | idk, software to automate the file transfer? |
| 03:54.36 | Estel_ | small files in custom locations (some from opt to opt or rootfs) |
| 03:55.08 | Estel_ | but, how to pair properly one N900 with another as file transfer? normally it pair as ad2p or handsfree |
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| 03:55.15 | Estel_ | PAN and bluetooth networking? |
| 03:55.36 | Hurrian | ehh, screw BT |
| 03:55.56 | Estel_ | ad-hoc as per se isn't bad, it's just that I can't remember any software for transfer after estabilishing network... |
| 03:56.01 | Estel_ | other than ssh and scp |
| 03:56.24 | Estel_ | under windows there is winscp, why don't we have something like that :P |
| 03:56.43 | Hurrian | Estel_, make SMB share on remote N900 then connect to that? |
| 03:57.23 | Hurrian | then all you need is a GUI that makes it nicer |
| 03:57.27 | Estel_ | good idea. Quite overhead for mall file transfer - probably, like in XKCD comics connecting pendrive/swapping microSD is much faster... :P |
| 03:57.35 | Estel_ | but better than nothing |
| 03:57.51 | Hurrian | meh, setup would be easier if we had NFC |
| 03:58.02 | Estel_ | no fuckin clue? |
| 03:58.10 | Hurrian | hrh |
| 03:58.12 | Hurrian | *heh |
| 03:58.28 | Estel_ | ah, near field communication, hate that :P |
| 03:58.37 | Estel_ | bluettooth is near enough :P |
| 03:59.25 | Estel_ | connection method isn't a problem, I may use wifi, bluetooth PAN, USB and hostmode... |
| 03:59.50 | Estel_ | the problem is easy file sharing after. Setting samba and witing sh for it sounds like too much hassle |
| 04:00.01 | Estel_ | after all, I can write scp scripts :P |
| 04:00.07 | Hurrian | fileserver on adhoc? |
| 04:00.11 | Estel_ | so samba isn't needed for that. |
| 04:00.21 | Estel_ | fileserver using what? |
| 04:01.00 | Hurrian | lighttpd/nginx/cherokee and a folder full of files |
| 04:01.41 | Estel_ | sounds like idea worth checking |
| 04:01.46 | Estel_ | thanks a lot! |
| 04:02.10 | Hurrian | probably can make a nice GUI of it and browse from other devices too |
| 04:02.23 | Hurrian | styling with css etc, but a simple directory is enough |
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| 04:08.18 | Estel_ | yea... BTW, gui for scp would be also possible, but would require parsing ls output |
| 04:08.29 | Estel_ | it's probably what scp is doing anyway |
| 04:08.37 | Estel_ | winscp* |
| 04:08.57 | Estel_ | one session for scp, another one for ssh, ls and similar things |
| 04:12.13 | Kilroo | has a sad |
| 04:12.42 | pronto | hands Kilroo a beer |
| 04:28.52 | Hurrian | Estel_, http://goput.it/ujv.jpg |
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| 04:43.52 | Estel_ | Hurrian, thanks for schema |
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| 04:44.13 | Estel_ | I think it's good idea, but, why do You think we need rails for 2nd battery? |
| 04:44.34 | Estel_ | dual battery is already assembled in a way, that "down" battery holds everything in place |
| 04:45.20 | Estel_ | of course it could be made to contain socket for 2nd regular battery without soldering them, but it's much hassle + unhealthy for battery |
| 04:45.29 | Estel_ | they should be *never* separated |
| 04:46.04 | Estel_ | paralleled batteries shouldn't have any charge differencies. You can separate them only once, then, shouldn't be put together again |
| 04:50.38 | Hurrian | ah, so that's the danger people at TMO were talking about |
| 04:52.11 | Hurrian | i guess it would be impractical to make the charging PCB load-balance the two batteries - would be too expensive |
| 04:55.48 | Hurrian | as in, when new battery is inserted, PCB first checks new battery current, if it is lower then it switches only when the first battery reaches same or lower current, if it is higher, it switches supply to the new battery, this will of course need capacitors to do |
| 04:56.05 | Hurrian | it would also confuse the hell out of BME |
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| 04:57.24 | Hurrian | theoretically, this would also allow you to charge up a flat internal battery using the secondary battery |
| 04:57.53 | Hurrian | (or use the second battery while the first is flat) |
| 04:59.00 | Hurrian | and the rails were for holding the internal battery down while there is no second battery and to make it easier to switch batteries in the field |
| 04:59.15 | Hurrian | unlock the latch and shake it out, i guess |
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| 05:22.02 | Estel_ | springs are enough to hold single battery, You can tighteen them if becoming too lose |
| 05:22.06 | Estel_ | loose* |
| 05:22.14 | Estel_ | as for load balancing it's a no-go |
| 05:22.32 | Estel_ | You would require lotta hell of components, basically, full-fledged lipo charger inside |
| 05:22.53 | Estel_ | I got idea for hotswap mod but it's working differently, and for sure it's thing for future, not now |
| 05:23.15 | Estel_ | also, using w parallel cells, instead of 2 batteries going one after another, give You additional benefit |
| 05:23.37 | Estel_ | capacity isn't constant value - it's relative, i.e. the higher current draw from cell, the lower capacity |
| 05:23.58 | Estel_ | so, using 2 cells approach, current draw is only 50% per cell |
| 05:24.10 | Estel_ | = every cell relative capacity is higher |
| 05:24.12 | Hurrian | ah. |
| 05:24.33 | Estel_ | for example, using 3000 mAh battery, my measurements in-device show 3090 mAh |
| 05:24.39 | Estel_ | not much more, but always |
| 05:24.56 | Estel_ | + lower current draw also make them live longer |
| 05:25.22 | Estel_ | it's much more feasible to do easy dual-battery mod, than to design something like that for inside cover |
| 05:25.22 | Hurrian | hotswap is a no-no for now, then. |
| 05:25.34 | Estel_ | I got other idea for hotswap |
| 05:26.01 | Estel_ | mechanical 2 positional switch, that, during position change, parallel batteries for only fraction of second |
| 05:26.22 | Hurrian | iirc there's an iphone accessory to charge phone using regular charger port and external battery to supply power |
| 05:26.29 | Estel_ | enough to keep device alive, but too small to hurt batteries due to paralleling 2 with different state of charge |
| 05:26.39 | Hurrian | ah |
| 05:26.51 | Estel_ | heh, bundles for charging batteries externally are very common for all types |
| 05:26.54 | Estel_ | of devices |
| 05:27.02 | Estel_ | it's super easy to do Yourself too |
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| 05:27.22 | Estel_ | few things that change given battery input into ~5V |
| 05:27.37 | Hurrian | was thinking, hooking external charging paraphernalia to testpad USB and back cover |
| 05:27.42 | Estel_ | some times, it also contain charging circuit |
| 05:28.08 | Estel_ | well, it's idea for charging without wear and tear for usb port |
| 05:28.24 | Estel_ | but, while usb via testpads have most protection elements... |
| 05:28.31 | Estel_ | +5V via testpads doesnt have fuse etc |
| 05:28.35 | Hurrian | "external charging paraphernalia" being any power source that's 5V, such as a touchstone module or external battery module, where the battery can be several times larger than N900 |
| 05:28.44 | Estel_ | it's possible to re-create protection on small pcb |
| 05:29.14 | Estel_ | yea, it's possible, but no need to hock them up solid |
| 05:29.20 | Estel_ | You can have just plug |
| 05:29.26 | Estel_ | to connect whatever You want |
| 05:29.30 | Hurrian | yeah, probably they can simply latch on to something on the back cover |
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| 05:29.43 | Hurrian | similar to hot shoe on DSLR camera |
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| 05:29.57 | Estel_ | BTW, phillips release 3000mAh battery on 18060 factor |
| 05:30.05 | Estel_ | = something like R6 battery |
| 05:30.29 | Estel_ | 2 of them aren't very thick, only a little bigger cover would allow putting them |
| 05:30.38 | Estel_ | =6000 mAh battery |
| 05:31.10 | Hurrian | ...will need adaptor for N900 battery interface though |
| 05:31.11 | Estel_ | damn, it's pity that they don't release it as flat batteries :P well, cylyndrical are more cheap and popular for all sort of things |
| 05:31.14 | Estel_ | nope |
| 05:31.22 | Estel_ | 18060 is LiIon already |
| 05:31.31 | Estel_ | it's only R6 form factor |
| 05:31.49 | Hurrian | no, i meant for plugging into the phone |
| 05:32.01 | Hurrian | you'll need some way to put it in, aside from soldering |
| 05:32.06 | Estel_ | BTW, it's same type as used in most laptop batteries and such phillips ones are used in electro cars, lol |
| 05:32.26 | Estel_ | PCB with pins teared from any random battery :P |
| 05:32.37 | Hurrian | i can see it already - 9 cell battery pack for N900 |
| 05:32.40 | Estel_ | it's super easy to remove from any bl-5j |
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| 05:33.10 | Estel_ | + You gain protection PCB and resistor for bme bundled in |
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| 05:33.29 | Estel_ | just solder it to dual 3000 mah cells as done with dual bl-5j |
| 05:33.39 | Estel_ | well, we can start measure horse power :P |
| 05:33.46 | Estel_ | as said, same cells are used in cars |
| 05:34.08 | Estel_ | when they'll become little cheaper - now are overpriced - I'll surely buy two and check possibilities |
| 05:34.28 | Hurrian | mmm. |
| 05:34.29 | Estel_ | 6000 mAh battery for N900 without much thicker cover than mugen is real overkill |
| 05:34.40 | Estel_ | only nanowires can beat that |
| 05:35.14 | Estel_ | (nanowire LiIon should have ~10 000mAh in single bl-5j size, but they're still far on horizon) |
| 05:35.40 | Estel_ | bTW I found way for gui file transfer |
| 05:35.49 | Estel_ | GrSync package |
| 05:35.54 | Estel_ | from repos |
| 05:36.06 | Estel_ | GUI for rsync both locally and via any network |
| 05:36.11 | Hurrian | ah. |
| 05:36.52 | Hurrian | btw, does the full body replacement include the plastic around keyboard? |
| 05:37.02 | Hurrian | most replacement shells for the N900 (white ones) omit that |
| 05:37.13 | Estel_ | robably yes. |
| 05:37.16 | Estel_ | probably* |
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| 05:37.22 | Estel_ | keyboard itself stays as is |
| 05:37.36 | Estel_ | same for whole screen part, it's metal already |
| 05:37.37 | Hurrian | good to know. i'll be off for now, can't stay awake anymore. |
| 05:37.45 | Estel_ | see ya! |
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| 06:18.53 | LaoLang_cool | Is it possible to limit N900 to get charge only when battery percent is below 80%? |
| 06:19.27 | LaoLang_cool | so when charging is up to 80%, the charge event will be ended |
| 06:19.49 | LaoLang_cool | I heard that's the way to extend battery's life |
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| 12:32.55 | lardman | tries a Siri clone on his Galaxy Tab and is stunned at how not very good it is in practise |
| 12:34.26 | lardman | In large part due to poor connectivity, on-device speech decoding required |
| 12:36.13 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 12:36.31 | SpeedEvil | I'm depressed that on-device speech recognition has almost died |
| 12:37.50 | lardman | If I can summon the time I'd still like to test a Sphinx-based all-on-device version |
| 12:39.44 | Hurrian|zzz | SpeedEvil, people used it? |
| 12:39.59 | Hurrian | voice command was pretty bad on Symbian |
| 12:40.38 | Hurrian | (on an unrelated note, text to speech for contact names was good on Symbian) |
| 12:40.38 | lardman | was that using speech recog or performing correlations with known training phrases? |
| 12:40.46 | Hurrian | training phrases, iirc |
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| 13:13.12 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: is siri online? |
| 13:13.39 | lardman | chem|st: iPhone, but someone may have hacked together a way to use it online |
| 13:14.04 | Hurrian | chem|st, siri on the iPhone does need an internet connection |
| 13:14.07 | Hurrian | Apple cheats! |
| 13:14.12 | chem|st | lardman: I mean is siri required to have network connections? |
| 13:14.23 | chem|st | to work properly? |
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| 13:15.04 | Hurrian | it needs internet to work AT ALL. |
| 13:15.11 | chem|st | FAIL! |
| 13:15.18 | chem|st | lol |
| 13:15.29 | Hurrian | feh, nobody uses it after the first few days of getting an iPhone |
| 13:15.34 | chem|st | what about galaxy sIII? |
| 13:16.06 | Hurrian | nobody knows, but from past voice control tech (and the one on SGS2), it's probably still crap |
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| 13:17.26 | lardman | chem|st: apparently the original was taken down, but here's the innards described: http://pastebin.com/k1qrQ7qw |
| 13:17.37 | chem|st | Hurrian: the new samsung TVs suck big time afaik |
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| 13:19.27 | lardman | http://blog.anidear.com/2011/11/attempt-to-use-siri-on-ubuntu.html |
| 13:21.10 | lardman | last one, a more easiy read breakdown of the hack |
| 13:21.12 | lardman | http://memeburn.com/2011/11/the-ghost-in-the-machine-inside-siri/ |
| 13:22.48 | Hurrian | chem|st, the new samsung TVs? |
| 13:23.14 | tgalal | can anyone get 'from QtMobility.SystemInfo import QSystemDeviceInfo' to not seg fault ? |
| 13:23.20 | Hurrian | they're LED-backlit LCD panels that are barely half an inch thick, what kind of features are they putting into them? |
| 13:23.27 | Hurrian | voice and gesture control? |
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| 13:25.23 | chem|st | Hurrian: exactly |
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| 13:25.45 | chem|st | the new builds ship with cameras and microphones build in |
| 13:26.07 | Hurrian | ah. iirc they're using regular video cameras to do it, no surprise there. also, with a mic that far away from the user, there's deffo gonna be problems |
| 13:26.53 | chem|st | things like 'hello, TV on' work... |
| 13:27.15 | lardman | voice recog works while the TV's not making noise then :) |
| 13:28.17 | lardman | though I guess it can perform noise cancellation on what it generates |
| 13:28.24 | chem|st | we had a good laugh for facial recognition, if distributed preferences of channels get loaded automagically, dad crosses the tv while the kids watch a bedtime story the TV switches to some porn channel in dad's preference |
| 13:28.55 | lardman | lol |
| 13:29.40 | chem|st | or you walk in on some friends home, his wife watches some soap and the TV switches to porn the second you walk in the living room... |
| 13:30.01 | Hurrian | ha |
| 13:31.26 | chem|st | hitchhikers guide mentions radios you have to sit and stare at silent and without any movement or it will change channel, the end of usability 'gesture and voice control' |
| 13:32.29 | chem|st | a galaxy S3 review mentions turning on or off wifi so it might work offline |
| 13:42.31 | Jaffa | Apropros nothing - some people in the Maemo community really piss me off (and I don't mean DocScrutinizer ;-)) |
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| 13:44.14 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: ??? :-o |
| 13:44.21 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, usuk. |
| 13:46.06 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Don't worry. One of our current community "leaders" |
| 13:46.37 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf usuk |
| 13:46.46 | DocScrutinizer | ~usuk |
| 13:46.46 | infobot | hmm... usuk is you suck |
| 13:46.54 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh |
| 13:47.15 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: any actual reason for that statement? |
| 13:47.35 | DocScrutinizer | like - a recent posting, or rant on IRC, or sth? |
| 13:48.28 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: sorry when I lose track of all the morons, there's a lot of them in a lot of channels recently |
| 13:48.54 | DocScrutinizer | amazingly parallel "development" in e.g maemo and openmoko |
| 13:49.54 | DocScrutinizer | regarding "let's own the infra" for example. Or regarding the "who's 'the community' definition authority" wars |
| 13:50.46 | chem|st | Jaffa: reference? |
| 13:50.50 | chem|st | moo DocScrutinizer |
| 13:51.33 | DocScrutinizer | the most blatant contributors not always are those with the best common sense |
| 13:51.36 | DocScrutinizer | moo chem|st |
| 13:51.40 | lardman | ~curse Wifi in my office |
| 13:51.40 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, Wifi in my office ! |
| 13:51.58 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Don't forget the delay in shipping a new version of the hardware, and comedy changes of platform. |
| 13:52.09 | chem|st | lardman: if I shut the door I am offline.... |
| 13:52.31 | lardman | chem|st: Faraday cage office? |
| 13:52.47 | chem|st | is any of current councelors here? |
| 13:52.59 | SpeedEvil | He's using IPOA. The pigeons need to get past. |
| 13:53.03 | chem|st | lardman: thick wooden fireproof door |
| 13:53.47 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, that plus steel armoured concrete makes a rather good Faraday cage |
| 13:53.53 | chem|st | if anyone likes to drive me, I volunteer |
| 13:54.05 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: don't forget the lead lining |
| 13:54.13 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 13:54.29 | chem|st | only dry-walls indoors |
| 13:54.49 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 13:55.15 | chem|st | lardman: analytical environment... we even have rooms they have 'active' field shielding |
| 13:55.26 | DocScrutinizer | as long as they don't have those "hasengitter" type of steel mesh, I don't see how they can shield WLAN |
| 13:55.46 | lardman | chem|st: and I was only half joking :) |
| 13:56.10 | chem|st | lardman: consider your jokes real over here ;) |
| 13:56.51 | Jaffa | chem|st: DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1204924&postcount=854 |
| 13:56.55 | chem|st | chickenwire applies to our service room... |
| 13:57.07 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, seems Jaffa isn't inclined to elaborate on his discomfort |
| 13:57.10 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: There is a difference between good shielding, and attenuating enough to make it not work |
| 13:57.11 | lardman | My dodgy wifi is because my office is so high I get interference from tropospheric radio reflections, or something like that ;) |
| 13:57.14 | Jaffa | chem|st: DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1205207#post1205207 |
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| 13:57.18 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, or he does |
| 13:57.24 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Sorry, was busy writing a reply on TMO. Always a timesink |
| 13:57.30 | BErepairedPC | hey all |
| 13:57.35 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: But decided that facts are my friends ;-) |
| 13:57.36 | DocScrutinizer | black hole |
| 13:57.50 | lardman | fears even opening TMO |
| 13:58.12 | BErepairedPC | does pyradio still work on the n900? |
| 13:58.23 | chem|st | BErepairedPC: o/ |
| 13:58.27 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, don't get sucked back into the vortex! |
| 13:58.47 | Jaffa | did. Regret it. |
| 13:58.47 | chem|st | GeneralAntilles: you and me and one other should take over the regiment |
| 13:59.04 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: I've got my life ring! |
| 13:59.07 | chem|st | Jaffa: don't say we didn't tell! |
| 13:59.12 | DocScrutinizer | *SIGH* |
| 13:59.51 | chem|st | BErepairedPC: no idea, and for god sake leave alone python for good! |
| 14:00.15 | lardman | chem|st: hey, I just installed Python on my Tab |
| 14:00.28 | lardman | wonders off to find khertan to help the fight back ;) |
| 14:00.34 | lardman | s/wonders/wanders |
| 14:01.21 | chem|st | gtg have a nice weekend o/ |
| 14:01.26 | lardman | you too |
| 14:07.06 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: I already wrote off council election for this term again |
| 14:08.17 | lardman | wonders whether a council is what Maemo needs at this point |
| 14:08.19 | DocScrutinizer | it seems to me like too much blood drain happened so no more real 'do'ers' are around to fill position of a community council |
| 14:09.00 | DocScrutinizer | real "do'ers" willing to take the burden |
| 14:09.46 | DocScrutinizer | and anyway 99.5% of wider community are not interested, most are not even aware of council anymore |
| 14:09.56 | DocScrutinizer | (incl me, tbh) |
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| 14:10.39 | DocScrutinizer | a pity |
| 14:11.20 | lardman | I didn't really hear much from the last council or two |
| 14:11.44 | Jaffa | lardman: Both have been ineffectual |
| 14:11.50 | DocScrutinizer | and obviously current/last term's council wasn't able to make council visible during last term, so how would they change that now during 2..4weeks of election |
| 14:12.25 | Jaffa | almost considered running - but didn't fancy working with some of the other candidates |
| 14:12.38 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Indeed |
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| 14:13.33 | lardman | It would be interesting to hear what people see as the future for "Maemo" |
| 14:13.35 | DocScrutinizer | I don't run as I'm sure I'm a terrible council member |
| 14:13.49 | DocScrutinizer | and I don't like that sort of publicity |
| 14:13.58 | GeneralAntilles | I'm picturing a yearly Burningman sort of event somewhere in the Sahara. |
| 14:14.16 | lardman | couldn't be worse than GeneralAntilles, he couldn't even be bothered to turn up for the opening event ;) |
| 14:14.22 | DocScrutinizer | "burning Elop" |
| 14:14.36 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, pff. I didn't want to be seen on stage with you. |
| 14:14.40 | lardman | lol |
| 14:15.19 | lardman | it would be nice to meet in person for a real beer at some point though :) |
| 14:15.28 | GeneralAntilles | Well build an Elop effigy out of Windows Phones. |
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| 14:15.35 | GeneralAntilles | Some day, some day. |
| 14:15.37 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 14:16.10 | DocScrutinizer | that day will be my last day in life. With all the beers you all owe me ;-D |
| 14:16.10 | GeneralAntilles | Then we'll get drunk and burn Elop in a wicker man. |
| 14:23.21 | DocScrutinizer | It's depressing to state and realize this, but it's just like always been in man's history. If 90% of any community are getting uninterested and uninvolved, the remaining 10% which are usually extremists are taking over and rule the fate of community's future |
| 14:24.10 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer, hasn't the Maemo/OSSO team been kicked out of Nokia already? |
| 14:25.31 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 14:26.38 | jacekowski | well, no empire lasts forewer |
| 14:26.41 | jacekowski | forever |
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| 14:32.49 | jean_brat | DocScrutinizer, Hi man |
| 14:33.04 | DocScrutinizer | hi jean_brat |
| 14:33.28 | jean_brat | yesterday.. i did flash the mobile as per the instructions. |
| 14:33.49 | jean_brat | falsher did work on my 64bit pinguy |
| 14:34.04 | jean_brat | but the phone does not boot man |
| 14:34.05 | DocScrutinizer | well, glad to hear that |
| 14:34.09 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 14:34.30 | jean_brat | http://pastebin.com/F0r1s9xD |
| 14:34.35 | jean_brat | here is a log file |
| 14:34.40 | DocScrutinizer | then you didn't follow the instructions exactly |
| 14:35.00 | jean_brat | nokia logo comes and the progress bar for few seconds and screen fades away.. |
| 14:35.09 | jean_brat | no LED no progress bar |
| 14:35.10 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: DocScrutinizer: If someone says they'll do something and someone else says "I'll confirm the dates" - is person B entirely blameless when said action doesn't take place? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1205226#post1205226 |
| 14:35.28 | jean_brat | its completely inactive |
| 14:35.45 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. Clearly you've grossly misinterpreted the facts, Jaffa. |
| 14:35.51 | GeneralAntilles | You should probably apologize. |
| 14:35.59 | GeneralAntilles | and I'm prescribing 50 lashings. |
| 14:36.43 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I read that as "50 hashtags" :-/ |
| 14:37.04 | DocScrutinizer | jean_brat: that's expected on first boot, it will take several minutes and you mustn't interrupt it |
| 14:37.13 | jean_brat | i did flash emmc followed by combined and removed the battry and cable in the middle |
| 14:37.34 | jean_brat | first one without -R and second one with -R |
| 14:37.51 | DocScrutinizer | yes, sounds good |
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| 14:38.20 | DocScrutinizer | actually when your device showed jumping dots (progress indicator) it almost booted already |
| 14:38.30 | jean_brat | i waited for 1 hour.. there is no LED light as well |
| 14:38.47 | jean_brat | indicating it is doing something |
| 14:39.56 | jean_brat | NOKIA LOGO followed by .... and screen fades away.. after few hours i press the power button again it does the same |
| 14:39.58 | DocScrutinizer | yes, that's normal. You might want to eventually hook device to fastcharger, and you also may operate the lockswitch to activate the screen again |
| 14:40.04 | tgalal | when using QML, is there a component similar to harmattan's Page and PageStackWindow, or is it just done by using rectangle components to define pages? |
| 14:40.35 | DocScrutinizer | of course it shouldn't power down during first boot |
| 14:41.24 | jean_brat | there is one wearied thing |
| 14:42.07 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: it's all complete nonsense. Council is the driving instance for elections. If anything hangs it's up to council to push, no matter what that pushing involves in particular case |
| 14:42.29 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Indeed. |
| 14:42.32 | jean_brat | during the execution of that flashing script.. the menu bar keep indicating NOKIA ROM connected / NOKIA rom disconnected/ |
| 14:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | jean_brat: you completely lost me |
| 14:43.41 | DocScrutinizer | which flashing script? |
| 14:43.45 | jean_brat | if actually the device is not recognised for some reason or disconnected script will terminate abnormally giving the error message rt? |
| 14:44.08 | jean_brat | flasher 3.5 |
| 14:44.22 | DocScrutinizer | that's an executable, not a script |
| 14:44.34 | DocScrutinizer | afaik, on linux |
| 14:44.55 | DocScrutinizer | and I dunno which menu bar you're talking about |
| 14:44.58 | jean_brat | ohh ok.. i thouh its bash or somthing |
| 14:45.10 | DocScrutinizer | I gather you are running this stuff on a windows machine |
| 14:45.43 | jean_brat | no DocScrutinizer |
| 14:46.10 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, prolly not. The pathnames have "/", not "\" ;-) |
| 14:46.12 | jean_brat | i am running pinguy |
| 14:46.54 | DocScrutinizer | jean_brat: I suggest you redo flashing: first COMBINED, then VANILLA, then COMBINED *again* |
| 14:47.19 | DocScrutinizer | the boot up device as suggested in ~flashing |
| 14:47.34 | jean_brat | hmm i did not tried this one. |
| 14:47.45 | jean_brat | back to back without -R correct? |
| 14:48.04 | DocScrutinizer | and let it sit and do it's optification thing. Just occasionally hit the screen to make it unlock, or even use lockslider switch for that |
| 14:48.33 | DocScrutinizer | never use -R, it's a mere convenience thing replacement for manually powercycling the device |
| 14:48.58 | DocScrutinizer | -R means 'reboot', after flashing done |
| 14:49.06 | DocScrutinizer | not needed |
| 14:49.12 | jean_brat | yes |
| 14:49.16 | DocScrutinizer | you better do it manually |
| 14:50.39 | jean_brat | does sim has to be inside while you flash? |
| 14:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest to remove it |
| 14:51.33 | DocScrutinizer | also probably any uSD is better removed, as it's not needed either |
| 14:51.37 | jean_brat | ok lets do it again |
| 14:51.48 | DocScrutinizer | afk, RL calling |
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| 15:02.02 | jean_brat | DocScrutinizer, 3rd step is not working |
| 15:02.17 | jean_brat | combined is not flashing |
| 15:02.19 | jean_brat | USB device found found at bus 001, device address 006. |
| 15:02.20 | jean_brat | Raw data transfer EP found at EP2. |
| 15:02.20 | jean_brat | Using flashing protocol Mk II. |
| 15:02.28 | jean_brat | and it quits |
| 15:02.49 | DocScrutinizer | blacklist you rcdc_ether |
| 15:02.57 | DocScrutinizer | err cdc_phonet |
| 15:03.47 | DocScrutinizer | alternatively invoke rmmod cdc_phonet prior to each single flasher invocation, best do it twice actually |
| 15:04.25 | DocScrutinizer | and regarding all this I suggest you do a "sudo su -" rtaher than running each command under sudo |
| 15:04.59 | DocScrutinizer | halley:/etc/modprobe.d # rmmod cdc_phonet |
| 15:05.00 | DocScrutinizer | ERROR: Module cdc_phonet does not exist in /proc/modules |
| 15:05.05 | DocScrutinizer | is a *good* sign |
| 15:05.37 | DocScrutinizer | lsmod|grep phonet |
| 15:05.48 | DocScrutinizer | shuldn't show anything |
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| 15:09.02 | jean_brat | DocScrutinizer, same issue mate screen fades away. |
| 15:10.01 | jean_brat | think i ran out of luck |
| 15:11.54 | Hurrian | hmm, something's wrong here, then. |
| 15:12.01 | Hurrian | is your battery fully charged? |
| 15:12.46 | jean_brat | yes man.. it shows full in my 5800 |
| 15:13.10 | Hurrian | hmm. |
| 15:13.27 | Hurrian | flash VANILLA (without the -R) at the end |
| 15:13.32 | Hurrian | pull the battery. |
| 15:13.50 | Hurrian | then connect it again in USB mode (holding U on startup then connect USB) |
| 15:13.54 | Hurrian | then flash COMBINED |
| 15:14.08 | Hurrian | pull the battery again and start the phone. |
| 15:14.49 | Hurrian | i usually do my flashing not on linux - it does get messy because BINARY BLOB |
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| 15:27.53 | DocScrutinizer | jean_brat: screen fading is expected |
| 15:28.02 | DocScrutinizer | I told you several times |
| 15:28.49 | DocScrutinizer | toldya first boot takes several minutes, and you can re-activate screen with e.g. lockslider (two times, or three times) |
| 15:28.59 | jean_brat | DocScrutinizer, even the unclocker will not bring the screen back on |
| 15:29.16 | DocScrutinizer | best you open up kbd slider, then hit screen. It will light up again |
| 15:30.15 | DocScrutinizer | double-check your VANILLA image, it shall be marked "latest" in right col of download page |
| 15:30.32 | jean_brat | no mate..i tried that all |
| 15:31.20 | jean_brat | Question.. when you finish the flasher and remove the cable (without R option) it will not reboot automatically correct? |
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| 15:45.42 | DocScrutinizer | probably not |
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| 15:46.13 | DocScrutinizer | but maybe i does, you'll see what it does anyway |
| 15:48.24 | DocScrutinizer | jean_brat: it's absolutely madatory to take care about cdc_phonet kernel module on your PC |
| 15:48.43 | DocScrutinizer | do "lsmod|grep phonet" |
| 15:48.56 | DocScrutinizer | if that shows anything, you're in trouble |
| 15:50.29 | DocScrutinizer | when best part of ~flashing been written, there's been no cdc_phonet kernel module by default on most distros |
| 15:50.40 | DocScrutinizer | nowadays it's ubiquitary |
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| 15:52.14 | N3RVE | Quick question, is Maemo still being developed? |
| 15:52.50 | ShadowJK | not by nokia since 2010 |
| 15:53.08 | DocScrutinizer | see |
| 15:53.11 | DocScrutinizer | ~cssu |
| 15:53.11 | infobot | i heard cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 15:53.13 | DocScrutinizer | however |
| 15:53.30 | N3RVE | so another group took over development? |
| 15:54.00 | DocScrutinizer | well, it's not like any particular group developed "maemo" |
| 15:54.16 | N3RVE | I thought the maemo team joined forces with another company to begin Meego |
| 15:54.34 | DocScrutinizer | the Nokia maemo team, yes |
| 15:55.08 | DocScrutinizer | however maemo >> Nokia maemo team |
| 15:55.43 | Raimu | Entirely OOT but very interesting: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/sq7cy/iama_a_malware_coder_and_botnet_operator_ama/ |
| 15:57.01 | DocScrutinizer | N3RVE: http://maemo.org/downloads/updated/Maemo5/25/ |
| 15:57.23 | SpeedEvil | N3RVE: The way linux development in the commercial space works is that companies occasionally make noises, or efforts to join up their activities. About 6 months to a year later, this explodes in a shower of new bits, and often companies starting their own groups. |
| 15:58.01 | SpeedEvil | Limo/maemo/meego/meltmi/tizen/... |
| 15:58.21 | DocScrutinizer | moblin |
| 15:58.24 | SpeedEvil | I've forgotten what the intel one was called - going into meego |
| 15:58.26 | SpeedEvil | ah - that |
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| 15:58.32 | jaska | tizen... isnt that html5only, so, worth ignoring i guess |
| 15:58.46 | DocScrutinizer | kinda |
| 16:00.12 | SpeedEvil | There are two aspects to sucky html5 things. |
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| 16:00.30 | SpeedEvil | First youhave the platform as delivered, which may or may not be interesting. |
| 16:00.49 | SpeedEvil | Secondly, you have the hardware - which may or may not be usable to develop other things. |
| 16:05.25 | N3RVE | Thank you SpeedEvil and DocScrutinizer for clearing that up :) |
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| 16:14.06 | Raimu | Heh, Windows Phone 7 closes socketed connections if you switch apps in the meantime. So much for running IRC. |
| 16:14.13 | Raimu | What a disgrace. |
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| 16:18.54 | ShadowJK | how do you make a shoutcast player like that |
| 16:20.12 | Raimu | Your guess is as good as mine. |
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| 16:24.53 | DocScrutinizer | that's how all that crap works |
| 16:25.12 | DocScrutinizer | not to say that'S the difference to maemo |
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| 16:26.33 | DocScrutinizer | on maemo the app devel is responsible to care about resource management and savings, on android, iOS, winp7 the OS "is doing that for you" |
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| 16:28.21 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 19:52.30 | Darkchaos | Is there anybody with some nitdroid knowledge? It always shows the android boot screen (infinite loop) and in an older version it showed something like set_suspend_state wakeup (3 of 3) unsucessfully etc. In the nitdroid channel nobody is active. |
| 19:52.47 | Darkchaos | Nitdroid N14 kernel rc_7 (newest both) |
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| 20:05.26 | Sc0rpius | hi |
| 20:05.50 | Sc0rpius | I wonder if Tizen will be already dead on launch like Meego/Maemo were |
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| 20:26.16 | ShadowJK | Atleast maemo went through 5(6) major versions before dying :-) |
| 20:29.03 | peterbjornx | is it me or is nitdroid installer broken |
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| 20:45.40 | Darkchaos | it is broken |
| 20:45.48 | Darkchaos | some files on the http server are missing |
| 20:48.38 | reiu | hey whats up? |
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| 21:12.59 | MrPingu | Hi |
| 21:14.03 | MrPingu | Has anybody here experience with opensuse? |
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| 21:26.06 | peterbjornx | a bit |
| 21:26.55 | MrPingu | Well how much crap has in it? |
| 21:27.24 | peterbjornx | ? |
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| 21:31.46 | MrPingu_ | I mean how much application has it in it I probably won't use and other settings/features? |
| 21:32.16 | MrPingu_ | Ubuntu had too much crap to my likings ;) |
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| 21:34.50 | DocScrutinizer | MrPingu_: for openSuse that is up to your sole discretion, when selecting which packets to install |
| 21:36.38 | MrPingu_ | Thank you |
| 21:36.42 | DocScrutinizer | there's no nonsense like ubuntu vs kubuntu, with openSuse. You select your preferred desktop, your apps, ans you even got reasonable profiles to do a preselection for you, and you still can tweak them to all your liking |
| 21:37.30 | DocScrutinizer | like "desktop", "workstation", "server" younameit |
| 21:37.51 | MrPingu_ | Seems what I am after, arch is bit too much for now ;) |
| 21:38.12 | MrPingu_ | Besides I like KDE :) |
| 21:39.11 | DocScrutinizer | on newest openSuse KDE3 resurrected, means it's optional again |
| 21:39.17 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 21:39.41 | DocScrutinizer | (of course kde4 latest is available, if you wondered) |
| 21:39.58 | MrPingu_ | I read that ;) |
| 21:40.18 | peterbjornx | is it possible to enable the av out on bootup |
| 21:40.44 | DocScrutinizer | peterbjornx: ?? |
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| 21:41.33 | DocScrutinizer | peterbjornx: on which platform, to do what? |
| 21:42.19 | reiu | god damn |
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| 21:43.39 | MrPingu_ | whatsup reiu? |
| 21:44.21 | MrPingu_ | hmm useful visit ^^ |
| 21:44.33 | peterbjornx | n900 |
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| 22:08.15 | DocScrutinizer | to show Video? |
| 22:08.37 | DocScrutinizer | I think that's working "automagically" |
| 22:09.51 | DocScrutinizer | I'll confirm for you in a few minutes (after newsflash) |
| 22:20.37 | peterbjornx | fb con doesnt work on video out |
| 22:20.58 | MrPingu_ | G2G, bye! |
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| 22:38.55 | cehteh | blubb |
| 22:39.31 | ShadowJK | video out is almost like a separate fb |
| 22:39.33 | cehteh | dockane_: NAC is the measured cell capacity? |
| 22:39.39 | cehteh | err DocScrutinizer ^^ |
| 22:40.27 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: see bq27k-detail |
| 22:40.43 | cehteh | yes i am looking at it, trying to interpret it |
| 22:41.04 | ShadowJK | Remaining charge |
| 22:41.10 | ShadowJK | (Nominal Available Capacity) |
| 22:41.12 | cehteh | lshal tells me 1200something mah .. bq27k detail tell NAC == 1500mah |
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| 22:41.54 | cehteh | anyways for the first few cycles this Cellephone battery holds fine |
| 22:41.55 | ShadowJK | needs about 2-3 learning cycles before it starts showing accurate numbers |
| 22:41.59 | DocScrutinizer | NAC Nominal Available Capacity |
| 22:42.13 | DocScrutinizer | emphasis on "available" |
| 22:42.38 | cehteh | means till cell death? :) |
| 22:42.44 | ShadowJK | LMD = Last Measured Discharge |
| 22:43.10 | cehteh | 1508mAh ... not bad for this cheap standard sized cell |
| 22:43.14 | DocScrutinizer | obviously if you charge one cell, then swap for an empty one and charge again, NAC will rise above what's possible for one cell |
| 22:43.26 | cehteh | ah |
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| 22:43.44 | cehteh | can i reset the bq27 to start learning for a new cell? |
| 22:43.44 | SpeedEvil | The charger should normally detect a missing cell, and not do that |
| 22:44.04 | DocScrutinizer | for the battery gauge to show correct values, you need a (at least one) calibration cycle aka learning cycle |
| 22:44.08 | cehteh | i am not swapping cells often so learning for one cell would be fine for me |
| 22:44.20 | cehteh | i did that yesterday |
| 22:44.22 | DocScrutinizer | it restes automatically on each complete discharge |
| 22:44.27 | cehteh | ok |
| 22:44.27 | ShadowJK | NAC never rises above LMD |
| 22:44.35 | SpeedEvil | complete discharge - or cell absent IIRC |
| 22:44.44 | SpeedEvil | It's been a while though |
| 22:44.55 | DocScrutinizer | cell absent only if it gets detected |
| 22:44.57 | cehteh | well complete discharge .. is that the phone (bmq induced) shutdown? |
| 22:44.59 | SpeedEvil | indeed |
| 22:45.17 | DocScrutinizer | bq27x00 is bad at detecting cell absence, as that's not what it's designed for |
| 22:45.46 | ShadowJK | Besides, then it'd reset to the eeprom values, which default to 2000-ish mAh :P |
| 22:45.52 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: usually yes, if you don't discharge too rapidly |
| 22:45.58 | cehteh | i'd like to reset the bq27x |
| 22:46.19 | ShadowJK | I have about 40% success rate with discharging to bme shutdown threshold |
| 22:46.26 | SpeedEvil | Indeed |
| 22:46.31 | cehteh | bur well i think over time it will adapt to the new cell |
| 22:46.54 | SpeedEvil | The BME shutdown, and the bq learn threshold on many devices are the same |
| 22:47.06 | SpeedEvil | So it will randomly either learn, not learn, or learn sometimes. |
| 22:47.15 | cehteh | borked :P |
| 22:47.39 | SpeedEvil | The device needs to remain on for 10(?) seconds after the low voltage threshold is hit for it to register |
| 22:47.54 | SpeedEvil | you can of course stop bme to make it learn |
| 22:48.01 | cehteh | i was hearing webradio until it suddenly shut down |
| 22:48.13 | ShadowJK | (./bq27200 5) |
| 22:48.17 | DocScrutinizer | sure thing is to stop bme until EDVF=1 |
| 22:48.20 | cehteh | from first battery warning to shutdown in a instant |
| 22:48.31 | cehteh | ok trying that |
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| 22:51.14 | cehteh | so now someone has only to fix the mce bug disabling the led when there is to much light on the als |
| 22:51.35 | cehteh | i really wonder how this got broken |
| 22:51.58 | cehteh | an attempt to dim the notification led with ambient light? .. never completed? |
| 22:52.08 | cehteh | would be nice if it worked :P |
| 22:52.48 | DocScrutinizer | stop bme; while ! bq27k-detail2|grep -q "1 EDVF"; do sleep 30; done; start bme |
| 22:53.06 | cehteh | i have just ./bq27200 5 running |
| 22:53.53 | DocScrutinizer | hah, I even got an icon for that |
| 22:54.00 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 22:55.00 | cehteh | TTE=244 .. |
| 22:55.07 | DocScrutinizer | just in case some lurker wonders: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 |
| 22:55.22 | ShadowJK | is VDQ 1? |
| 22:55.39 | cehteh | with wlan and webradio the phone sucks amazingly much power unfortunally |
| 22:55.56 | cehteh | yes, what is VDQ? |
| 22:56.05 | ShadowJK | valid discharge |
| 22:56.17 | ShadowJK | if it's 1, it will learn. If it's 0, it will ignore |
| 22:56.28 | cehteh | ok |
| 22:56.33 | ShadowJK | Gets set to 1 on full charge. Gets set to 0 when you start charging. |
| 22:56.54 | DocScrutinizer | it goes to 0 when some unusual conditions make it think the learning cycle won't result in a good calibration |
| 22:57.01 | cehteh | ok .. let it drain and dont connect :) |
| 22:57.46 | DocScrutinizer | VDQ Valid Discharge flag. Learning cycle in progress." |
| 22:58.22 | cehteh | does it multiple learning cycles and integrate them or only one? .. or constantly, tries to learn with each cycle? |
| 22:59.42 | SpeedEvil | just one |
| 22:59.52 | SpeedEvil | Tries to learn with every qualified learning cycle |
| 22:59.59 | cehteh | ok |
| 23:00.09 | cehteh | so other work now .. :) bbl |
| 23:00.21 | SpeedEvil | And changes the NAC by at most 1/8th each time |
| 23:00.49 | Sc0rpius | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57432462-37/siri-says-nokia-lumia-900-the-best-smartphone-ever/ |
| 23:00.51 | Sc0rpius | that's so funny :) |
| 23:01.09 | ShadowJK | Maximum change of battery capacity is 1/6th though, and original eeprom programmed capacity is 2000-ish, so to get to real battery capacity, the first learning cycles goes 2000-2000/6 = 1666, then 1388.. |
| 23:01.13 | ShadowJK | (rounded) |
| 23:01.25 | ShadowJK | oh I thought it was 1/6th |
| 23:01.30 | ShadowJK | could be 1/8th though I guess :P |
| 23:04.43 | SpeedEvil | I'm 93.4% certain it's 1/8th |
| 23:05.24 | DocScrutinizer | it's 1/8 and afaik not NAC, as NAC is the currently available netto mAh in battery |
| 23:05.37 | DocScrutinizer | I'd think it's LMD |
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| 23:06.12 | DocScrutinizer | vs "ILMD Initial Last Measured Discharge" |
| 23:06.14 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
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| 23:06.29 | SpeedEvil | LMD sets NAC |
| 23:06.29 | cehteh | btw, does tizen allow nativ applications and had a reasonable standard userland? |
| 23:06.34 | SpeedEvil | (at 100%) |
| 23:06.45 | DocScrutinizer | which is *0x100 * 3.57 / 20 = 2062 mAh fabcoded cell capacity |
| 23:06.47 | cehteh | not looked it it yet |
| 23:06.47 | SpeedEvil | points to #tizen |
| 23:06.50 | SpeedEvil | has no idea |
| 23:07.10 | cehteh | just in case someone here knows, i dont want to know details |
| 23:07.26 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yep, LMD sets NAC when charge end detected |
| 23:09.35 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: watch your ./bq27200 5 and you'll learn to interprete the values |
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| 23:10.48 | DocScrutinizer | basically it's simple: NAC gets set to LMD when cell gets charged to 100%. Then it counts down based on actual current drawn from battery |
| 23:10.59 | DocScrutinizer | it might even get negative |
| 23:12.38 | DocScrutinizer | when battery voltage reaches EDVF, NAC gets set to 0, and LMD gets adjusted to new measured discharge capacity (by max 1/8 off from last value) |
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| 23:13.28 | DocScrutinizer | now you charge battery, and when it's full again, NAC gets set to new LMD value |
| 23:13.56 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. to the total delta value of NAC from last discharge |
| 23:14.25 | DocScrutinizer | so in theory NAC now should reach 0 exactly when EDVF kicks in |
| 23:14.26 | cehteh | yes, i known that, i was just confused by some unplausible values and the way it does things in detail |
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| 23:48.23 | DocScrutinizer | peterbjornx: AV out works from first progress indicator dot jumping |
| 23:48.51 | DocScrutinizer | peterbjornx: it doesn't work for NOLO (NOKIA screen) |
