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| 00:20.43 | iBorg | hi |
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| 00:22.27 | iBorg | hi |
| 00:23.26 | iBorg | ok soo.... |
| 00:23.32 | iBorg | i have n900 that was working fine |
| 00:23.37 | iBorg | now it wont boot |
| 00:23.53 | DocScrutinizer | what's the exact symptoms? |
| 00:24.55 | iBorg | i get yellow (charge) light x2, then faint Nokia screen, then white pips for like 1 second, enough to go left to right and roght to middle left, then it switches off and repeats. |
| 00:24.57 | DocScrutinizer | iBorg: what's the exact symptoms? |
| 00:25.06 | iBorg | i have 2 new batteries fully charged |
| 00:25.19 | iBorg | same issue |
| 00:25.33 | iBorg | oh and the phone wont do anything if the power cable is not plugged in |
| 00:25.35 | iBorg | ie: |
| 00:26.14 | iBorg | ie a fully charged battery put in and the phone wont turn on |
| 00:26.45 | iBorg | only when the power cable and battery is in does it cycle |
| 00:26.49 | DocScrutinizer | it won't do *anything* when you insert battery and then press powerbutton? |
| 00:26.50 | iBorg | any ideas ? |
| 00:26.56 | iBorg | nope |
| 00:27.43 | DocScrutinizer | what's the yellow light like, when you plug in wallcharger? is it steady for some seconds? |
| 00:28.27 | iBorg | it lights up 2 times sometimes 3 and then faint nokia screen, then white pips and then off as described above |
| 00:28.47 | DocScrutinizer | so you say it blinks? |
| 00:28.56 | iBorg | 2 times sometimes 3 |
| 00:28.57 | DocScrutinizer | and what are white pips? |
| 00:29.35 | iBorg | the screen comes on pips = the screens white forward and back "progress bar" |
| 00:29.54 | DocScrutinizer | umm |
| 00:30.26 | DocScrutinizer | I think I've never seen that progress bar, maybe I'm just too tired |
| 00:30.26 | iBorg | ok, so... |
| 00:30.41 | iBorg | well when the phone boots the screen comes on |
| 00:30.58 | iBorg | theres like 5 white dots on screen |
| 00:31.08 | ShadowJK | the animated balls moving left/right like knight rider scanner |
| 00:31.09 | DocScrutinizer | first a "NOKIA" without backlight, then a blue NOKIA on white with backlight |
| 00:31.11 | iBorg | yea |
| 00:31.22 | iBorg | hmm |
| 00:31.24 | DocScrutinizer | yes, then 5 dots |
| 00:31.29 | iBorg | yea 5 dots |
| 00:31.32 | DocScrutinizer | the knightrider dots |
| 00:31.33 | iBorg | = pips lol |
| 00:31.37 | iBorg | yea thats the thing |
| 00:31.48 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 00:31.57 | DocScrutinizer | you need to reflash |
| 00:32.06 | iBorg | thats been suggested... |
| 00:32.08 | iBorg | however |
| 00:32.30 | iBorg | ive tried to get the phone into that mode but it wont |
| 00:32.31 | iBorg | and |
| 00:33.15 | iBorg | much to the dismay of my m8, he says there supposed to be a USB sign in top right when pressing U key...my phone dont get that far |
| 00:33.53 | iBorg | ive tied putting battery in, then the power chord. and pressing U |
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| 00:34.13 | iBorg | the phone is here now just looping as above |
| 00:34.52 | DocScrutinizer | please try the following: completely switch off phone, open slider and press&hold 'u' key, while holding the key you insert the original Nokia wallcharger |
| 00:35.21 | iBorg | with or without battery in ? |
| 00:35.26 | DocScrutinizer | with |
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| 00:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | remove nad re-insert battery to make sure it's powered down |
| 00:36.00 | DocScrutinizer | then hold 'u', plug USB charger |
| 00:36.09 | iBorg | ok im waiting a few secs... |
| 00:36.19 | iBorg | battery in.. |
| 00:36.30 | iBorg | ok |
| 00:36.35 | iBorg | it buzzed... |
| 00:36.44 | iBorg | faint nokia sign |
| 00:36.49 | iBorg | 2 yellow lights# |
| 00:36.59 | iBorg | night rider lights |
| 00:37.09 | DocScrutinizer | yur battery is too low |
| 00:37.12 | iBorg | and its turned off and now repeating.. |
| 00:37.22 | iBorg | i have 2 battery |
| 00:37.30 | iBorg | and charger say they are both charged |
| 00:37.48 | DocScrutinizer | whatever your charger may be, it's incorrect |
| 00:37.57 | iBorg | hmm ok |
| 00:38.14 | DocScrutinizer | or both batteries are defect |
| 00:38.41 | iBorg | weird |
| 00:38.50 | iBorg | the original battery was left in it flat |
| 00:39.01 | DocScrutinizer | in theory also N900 could have a very unusual defect to cause that, but we've never seen this so far |
| 00:39.05 | iBorg | its after it wouldnt take a charge that i got new 1;s |
| 00:39.23 | iBorg | im gona try the other battery |
| 00:39.36 | DocScrutinizer | do you have a voltmeter? |
| 00:40.03 | iBorg | nope |
| 00:40.30 | DocScrutinizer | any other Nokia device to charge the BL-5J battery? |
| 00:40.53 | DocScrutinizer | some other Nokia phones use it as well |
| 00:41.01 | iBorg | i have a dedicated charger i brought |
| 00:41.24 | DocScrutinizer | yep, I suspect it's either crap by design, or defect |
| 00:41.50 | iBorg | strange |
| 00:42.07 | iBorg | do u know a place i can get another charger? |
| 00:42.19 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 00:42.30 | DocScrutinizer | well, I don't even know where you live |
| 00:42.36 | iBorg | UK |
| 00:42.45 | iBorg | ebey ? |
| 00:42.49 | iBorg | ebay ? |
| 00:42.50 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, I'm on the continent |
| 00:43.25 | DocScrutinizer | chargers from ebay are of very indetermined quality |
| 00:43.39 | iBorg | hmm i was thinking getting another n900 from ebay |
| 00:44.05 | DocScrutinizer | you can find all from a plastic contraption with 2 wires to a plug for 5V wallwart charger |
| 00:44.25 | DocScrutinizer | to sophisticated charger with charger controller chip |
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| 00:44.42 | DocScrutinizer | that should work as well |
| 00:44.54 | DocScrutinizer | or simply get another battery for 15 min |
| 00:44.55 | iBorg | have u got any links to chargers, so that i can find 1 in the uk of the same type ? |
| 00:45.00 | DocScrutinizer | a charged one |
| 00:45.05 | iBorg | yea |
| 00:45.11 | DocScrutinizer | maybe from a friend with a compatible Nokia phone |
| 00:45.23 | iBorg | i dont know anyione |
| 00:45.35 | iBorg | maybe a trip to the local phone shop ? |
| 00:45.40 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 00:45.43 | DocScrutinizer | good idea |
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| 00:46.05 | DocScrutinizer | insist in buying a 100% charged battery |
| 00:46.21 | iBorg | ok |
| 00:46.27 | iBorg | i will give it a try |
| 00:46.37 | DocScrutinizer | or ask them for a proper charger |
| 00:46.44 | iBorg | yea |
| 00:46.46 | iBorg | or both |
| 00:46.50 | DocScrutinizer | though the good ones are not exactly cheap |
| 00:46.50 | iBorg | thing is |
| 00:46.58 | iBorg | how much are they where u are |
| 00:47.04 | iBorg | euros ? |
| 00:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | chargers? |
| 00:47.15 | DocScrutinizer | probably 30+ |
| 00:47.22 | iBorg | ok |
| 00:48.12 | DocScrutinizer | don't buy a charger that has no indicator for charge progress |
| 00:48.25 | DocScrutinizer | at very least a red and green LED or sth |
| 00:48.36 | iBorg | i have 1 |
| 00:49.08 | iBorg | its green with no battery, then red when battery is in and charging, then it goes green once charged |
| 00:49.26 | DocScrutinizer | even simpler: ask the friendly dude in shop if he can probe the actual battery voltage for you |
| 00:49.39 | iBorg | ok |
| 00:49.56 | DocScrutinizer | it should be considerably >4.00V |
| 00:50.04 | iBorg | i will try it in the morning |
| 00:50.09 | DocScrutinizer | maybe 4.1V optimum 4.2V |
| 00:50.11 | iBorg | i will let u know how i get on |
| 00:50.19 | DocScrutinizer | YW |
| 00:50.41 | iBorg | thanks again |
| 00:51.35 | DocScrutinizer | anyway - the boting with 'u' held down should result in dim NOKIA screen with USB icon in upper right corner. If it doesn't stay there, it's trying to charge battery as that is too weak for flashing |
| 00:51.54 | iBorg | ok |
| 00:51.55 | DocScrutinizer | too bad, when the system needs reflashing to even start charging |
| 00:52.02 | DocScrutinizer | a deadlock |
| 00:52.05 | iBorg | i dont even see a USB sign for a moment |
| 00:53.25 | DocScrutinizer | so very first thing for you to do tomorrow; find somebody with a voltmeter and ask him to probe exact voltage of both your batteries |
| 00:53.39 | iBorg | ok |
| 00:53.43 | iBorg | my dad has 1 |
| 00:53.48 | iBorg | i will pop there first |
| 00:53.48 | DocScrutinizer | (I gather you charged them immediately before you tried flashing) |
| 00:53.59 | iBorg | yea |
| 00:54.11 | iBorg | charger was red for a few secs then went green |
| 00:54.19 | iBorg | as ive charged them both up already |
| 00:54.27 | DocScrutinizer | if yur father has a voltmeter, he maybe also knows how to check your charger for correct operation |
| 00:54.57 | DocScrutinizer | hmmhmmmhmmmm |
| 00:55.01 | iBorg | i have a datacable also |
| 00:55.20 | DocScrutinizer | charger immediately switching to "charge end" is usually no good sign |
| 00:55.21 | iBorg | do i need a driver to charge the phone via usb/pc |
| 00:55.28 | iBorg | well |
| 00:55.49 | DocScrutinizer | no, not a driver, just a working system on phone |
| 00:55.53 | iBorg | originally with the new batteries... it took about 3-4 hours to go green |
| 00:55.56 | iBorg | and |
| 00:56.43 | iBorg | if i leave the phone 'cycling' then the battery does appear to run down, and require charging, then the charger stays red for some time, until green |
| 00:57.10 | DocScrutinizer | what's "some time" in minutes |
| 00:57.13 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 00:57.35 | DocScrutinizer | (and yes, bootloops will discharge battery) |
| 00:57.50 | DocScrutinizer | rapidly |
| 00:58.02 | iBorg | it depends on how long i leave it looping |
| 00:58.54 | iBorg | both the new batteries were 'fully charged' when i put them away the other day |
| 01:00.24 | iBorg | the batteries i got are identical to the original |
| 01:00.53 | iBorg | and the charger is the same as my friend has for his n900, but he lives 200 miles away |
| 01:00.56 | DocScrutinizer | you should actually take your phone and Nokia wallwart PSU to phone shop, and ask to use a new BL-5J to do the boot+'u' test |
| 01:01.18 | iBorg | ok |
| 01:01.34 | iBorg | yea both my batteries are Bl-5J |
| 01:01.44 | DocScrutinizer | a charged 'new' (or known good) BL-5J |
| 01:01.46 | iBorg | even have the holograms on |
| 01:01.55 | iBorg | ok |
| 01:02.21 | DocScrutinizer | it might actually be your charger killing batteries |
| 01:03.30 | iBorg | ok i will try and get it sorted tomorrow |
| 01:04.29 | iBorg | thanks again... |
| 01:04.35 | iBorg | i will let u know how i get on |
| 01:04.37 | iBorg | afk |
| 01:05.06 | DocScrutinizer | o( |
| 01:05.09 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 01:05.11 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 01:05.21 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
| 01:05.26 | iBorg | chat soon |
| 01:05.26 | DocScrutinizer | . |
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| 01:05.52 | DocScrutinizer | WTF wiki now sends notifications with IP instead of proper URL |
| 01:06.25 | DocScrutinizer | like "see: http://80.248.164.233/index.php?title=Task:100Days&diff=0&oldid=45788 for changes" |
| 01:06.29 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
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| 01:13.30 | DocScrutinizer | who's maintaining the mediawiki stuff? |
| 01:13.35 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: ?? |
| 01:13.55 | pronto | god is my friend |
| 01:14.28 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: see above, maemo wiki sends nonsensical modification notice mails, with IP instead URL |
| 01:18.59 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: I suspect the whole system is using the "URL" that any user used to access html. So for wiki.itt.com as well as wiki.maemo.org as well as http://80.248.164.233/ it even uses this URL as the one to place into generated webpages' links and also into change-notification mails |
| 01:26.34 | davux | where can i find documentation on what exactly happens on selecting an internet connection from the list? |
| 01:29.50 | DocScrutinizer | hard to find good documentation on this |
| 01:30.19 | DocScrutinizer | probably hard to find *any* |
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| 01:42.07 | davux | :/ |
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| 03:03.45 | DocScrutinizer | anyway seems there's some knowledge about the process. You might just ask... |
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| 04:50.51 | ShadowJK | tests bt with just hf disabled |
| 04:50.53 | ShadowJK | uh |
| 04:50.55 | ShadowJK | sniff |
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| 04:54.02 | ShadowJK | seems to work well |
| 04:54.29 | ShadowJK | but the original issue can't reliable be reproduced |
| 05:04.52 | ShadowJK | So.. One phone is N900 stock, other N900 kp50 default kp50 bt.ko... N900 stock worked 5 minutes straight with disabled sniff |
| 05:05.13 | ShadowJK | however, now also kp50 is working it seems... :/ |
| 05:05.30 | ShadowJK | hard to reproduce D: |
| 05:06.45 | ShadowJK | ok excellent, now also kp50 went buzzy |
| 05:06.54 | ShadowJK | 3m3s |
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| 07:16.14 | ruskie | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57431236-92/microsoft-bans-firefox-on-arm-based-windows-mozilla-says/ |
| 07:21.04 | Sicelo | The chips have new requirements for security and power management, and Microsoft is the only one who can meet those needs. |
| 07:21.10 | Sicelo | Nice, very nice |
| 07:22.30 | chem|st | time for mozilla to consider changing from featurefancy to code performance |
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| 07:22.48 | jacekowski | i don't really see any details in that article |
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| 07:25.07 | tank-man | no firefox on xbox either, so |
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| 12:04.51 | vi__ | yo |
| 12:05.03 | vi__ | where can can I get a new N900 keyboard? |
| 12:05.37 | vi__ | I bought one on ebay but it is shite quality. |
| 12:10.05 | chem|st | vi__: continent? |
| 12:11.00 | chem|st | 1: QWERTY KEYMAT ENGLISH NOKIA Repair Parts 0265740 |
| 12:11.26 | chem|st | vi__: where are you at? |
| 12:13.13 | chem|st | 2: http://www.mobilephonecrazy.com/modeldetail/N900,KeyPad.htm |
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| 12:21.40 | vi__ | chem|st: UK |
| 12:22.44 | vi__ | uh huh... |
| 12:22.46 | vi__ | http://www.mobilephonecrazy.com/product/Signal%20booster.htm |
| 12:24.55 | DocScrutinizer | vi__: depends on what you actually need |
| 12:25.07 | DocScrutinizer | there'S domesheet and there's keymat |
| 12:25.42 | DocScrutinizer | and there's plastic kbd frame |
| 12:27.04 | vi__ | I want the actual keyboard... |
| 12:27.08 | DocScrutinizer | vi__: obviously new keymat won't help if the spring discs in domesheet are defect |
| 12:27.23 | DocScrutinizer | vi__: damn, all that is keyboard |
| 12:27.25 | vi__ | Some of the letters have worn off my old one (return and right arrow) |
| 12:27.35 | vi__ | and I need some new letters |
| 12:27.42 | DocScrutinizer | AHAA |
| 12:27.47 | vi__ | I do not know how else to say it. |
| 12:28.05 | DocScrutinizer | so you need a new keymat |
| 12:28.22 | DocScrutinizer | notorious problem with the paint coming off |
| 12:28.49 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer: what is the best solution? |
| 12:29.02 | DocScrutinizer | my daily N900 has a small spot on e/3 key already |
| 12:29.12 | DocScrutinizer | vi__: new keymat :-) |
| 12:29.36 | chem|st | domesheet + keymat, if not carefull |
| 12:29.47 | DocScrutinizer | of course you might consider applying some sort of protector foil to the new keymat |
| 12:29.59 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: my e key lost its preasrepoint gtg |
| 12:30.06 | StyXman | vi__: keymat is the black thinguie where all the letters are printed on and that you actually touch when you want to press the key |
| 12:30.10 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: new domesheet |
| 12:31.02 | vi__ | yes, but where do I get a new genuine one? |
| 12:31.21 | DocScrutinizer | google / ebay |
| 12:31.40 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st gave a good set of keywords, plus some link aiui |
| 12:31.49 | vi__ | ebay only has fakes |
| 12:31.59 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 12:32.11 | vi__ | I have emailed the link provided by chem|st to enquire if the keymat is a genuine nokia one |
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| 12:33.24 | DocScrutinizer | I bought my last one from a local seller here in Germany, for almost 20EUR, and it's been a genuine one and worked fine (means as the original one) |
| 12:34.04 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/ |
| 12:35.27 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4370_Original-Nokia-N900-Keypad-QWERTZ.html |
| 12:35.56 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4575_Original-Nokia-N900-Keypad-QWERTY--english-.html |
| 12:36.13 | DocScrutinizer | HTH |
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| 12:38.08 | jean_brat | hi,i have an issue with my n900 and it does not boot,it turned off coz of low battery but now i am using a fully charged battery from an another phone |
| 12:38.20 | DocScrutinizer | vi__: http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=n900&x=0&y=0 |
| 12:38.58 | jean_brat | NOKIA screen comes and it fades away .. it does not show the usual booting bar with ....(4 dots) at akk |
| 12:38.59 | DocScrutinizer | jean_brat: reflash |
| 12:39.29 | jean_brat | any documents on how to do it? |
| 12:39.36 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 12:39.36 | infobot | i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 12:40.26 | DocScrutinizer | take care about your battery! it needs to have sufficient charge to flash successfully. And your phone won't charge battery in that state |
| 12:41.06 | DocScrutinizer | you need full battery to flash, you need flashed phone to charge battery! think about it! |
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| 12:41.46 | jean_brat | i have a fully charged battery from my 5800 |
| 12:41.54 | DocScrutinizer | good! :-D |
| 12:42.13 | jean_brat | a question.. if any thing happens such as power down of my system or something like that will i able to do it again? |
| 12:42.23 | jean_brat | or is it a risky attempt? |
| 12:43.40 | StyXman | jean_brat: I flashed my phone at least 3 times with no problems |
| 12:43.41 | DocScrutinizer | yes, no risk at all |
| 12:43.56 | DocScrutinizer | you basically can't brick the N900 |
| 12:44.05 | StyXman | just have a full battery and you're set |
| 12:44.11 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 12:44.27 | DocScrutinizer | worst case is that you'd need to do a coldflash |
| 12:44.54 | DocScrutinizer | *very* rarely needed but no problem, if you manage to run into that situation |
| 12:46.01 | DocScrutinizer | in your case anyway a pretty normal reflash of *COMBINED* only will do |
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| 12:56.50 | kent_autistic | sup yall. does frequently going to network connections in the status menu consume much power? i want to connect to network internet easily but hesitant to add connectnow widget into my homescreens |
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| 12:59.38 | hurrian | no, it doesnt, only consumes power for waking up the wifi radio and screen, same as connectnow |
| 13:00.15 | kent_autistic | whats up kapatid |
| 13:01.36 | kent_autistic | salamat! |
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| 13:11.36 | DocScrutinizer | err, connectnow?? |
| 13:12.05 | DocScrutinizer | is this some nifty widget to save one click on screen? |
| 13:13.13 | kent_autistic | two clicks and 4 secs |
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| 13:14.07 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, and btw what hurrian said is only partially true. It's true it only activates WLAN chip and screen and uses a bit of CPU cycles, but WLAN chip will do a scan and that's eating quite a bit of energy |
| 13:15.02 | DocScrutinizer | dang, you need 2 seconds / click? ;-D |
| 13:15.11 | kent_autistic | ooooh thats what i wanted to know. sorry for the incomplete query. if frequent scans consume significant power |
| 13:15.22 | kent_autistic | the scans take 2 secs! |
| 13:16.21 | DocScrutinizer | well, if connectnow does scans in background to keep list of AP up-to-date, then I'd consider it a pretty nasty app and for sure a battery killer |
| 13:16.36 | DocScrutinizer | scans take more than 2sec |
| 13:16.58 | DocScrutinizer | fist results may show up after 2 sec |
| 13:17.03 | DocScrutinizer | first* |
| 13:17.34 | DocScrutinizer | but I frequently see APs getting added to that list even 20s after I opened it |
| 13:18.15 | DocScrutinizer | that's however the way WLAN chips work, not much to be done about it |
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| 13:19.07 | DocScrutinizer | btw all this resulted in "period between scans" setting on settings-internet-wlan |
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| 13:21.21 | vi__ | why not just make a widget with QBW or DCEW that uses the 'connect to any' dbus call? |
| 13:21.41 | vi__ | This allows you to go online with 1 click prioritising wlan. |
| 13:22.32 | vi__ | It checks for known wifi, then GPRS and if that failz, opens a 'choose connection' dialogue. |
| 13:25.57 | DocScrutinizer | sounds cool |
| 13:26.21 | DocScrutinizer | I won't need it as my WLAN connects automatically anyway |
| 13:26.51 | DocScrutinizer | and fallback is GPRS which I never feel like shutting down |
| 13:27.08 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer: so you are connected 24/7 |
| 13:27.09 | vi__ | ? |
| 13:27.14 | DocScrutinizer | yep, sure |
| 13:27.32 | vi__ | how long does your battery last? |
| 13:27.39 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise my SIP number was a bit useless, and xchat wouldn't really work the way I want it to |
| 13:27.58 | DocScrutinizer | usually at least 16h, I.E. long enough |
| 13:28.02 | DocScrutinizer | on 2G |
| 13:28.29 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer: you use n900 SIP? Do you use power kernel? |
| 13:28.58 | DocScrutinizer | occasionally I switch to 3G for browsing and forget to return to 2G, and that may kill battery in like 5h |
| 13:29.12 | DocScrutinizer | no, not on my daily phone |
| 13:29.19 | DocScrutinizer | stock kernel |
| 13:29.34 | jacekowski | sip over 2g? |
| 13:29.37 | DocScrutinizer | just did a SIP call 3 min ago |
| 13:29.48 | jacekowski | over 2g? |
| 13:29.53 | DocScrutinizer | SIP over 2G tends to not really work nicely |
| 13:29.55 | jacekowski | sounds like a name of a torture |
| 13:30.07 | DocScrutinizer | I need to switch to 3G for convenient quality |
| 13:30.54 | DocScrutinizer | and I couldn't say it's always available for inbound calls anyway |
| 13:31.59 | DocScrutinizer | but that's not the main reason for 24/7 online, so I don't mind that much when inbound calls don't make it to my N900 when I'm not at home (i.e. not on WLAN) |
| 13:32.30 | DocScrutinizer | outbound calls via 3G anyway work flawlessly |
| 13:32.39 | vi__ | Perhaps you might know if SIP quality suffers like skype quality when using PK? |
| 13:32.52 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, no idea |
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| 13:33.25 | DocScrutinizer | but I'd say it shouldn't, neither on SIP nor on skype |
| 13:33.43 | DocScrutinizer | I'd call it a regression in KP then |
| 13:34.08 | DocScrutinizer | which should get a ticket and investigation by Pali ;-) |
| 13:34.23 | vi__ | heh, I think pali does enough |
| 13:34.24 | DocScrutinizer | PK is supposed to 'just work' |
| 13:35.06 | DocScrutinizer | vi__: any info on the particular nature of that suffering? |
| 13:36.36 | vi__ | sure. When using skype the audio degrades (over about 5 seconds from the start of the call) to garbage at worst, choppy robot noises at best. |
| 13:37.17 | vi__ | Even with 2 devices on the same wlan (if skype even does any real P2P for that matter) |
| 13:38.36 | vi__ | I do not even want to use skype, however I know no way to skype<->SIP bridge. |
| 13:38.49 | DocScrutinizer | vi__: any clue if that'S related to network jitter or audio/PA issues? |
| 13:39.36 | DocScrutinizer | and skype<->SIP bridge is POTS :-D |
| 13:40.03 | vi__ | I suspect it is due to some kind of badly coded thing in N900 skype client. |
| 13:40.18 | vi__ | Skype works fine for two computers together on my home LAN |
| 13:40.33 | vi__ | just not N900 to computer |
| 13:41.00 | vi__ | On 3G it is just not worth even trying. |
| 13:41.27 | vi__ | However I seem to recall that skype worked 'ok' on nokia kernel. |
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| 13:44.39 | DocScrutinizer | well, voice call quality issues are basically of the class "hard to reproduce", means there's way too many variables influencing the result |
| 13:46.34 | DocScrutinizer | so this means the fact it worked 6 months ago when you incidentally were on stock kernel doesn't mean the recent problems are caused by your transition to PK |
| 13:47.31 | DocScrutinizer | could be anything from PK to codec picked by skype to network weather |
| 13:50.01 | DocScrutinizer | first thing to evaluate was to switch forth and back between PK and stock 3 or 4 times and do a sequence of otherwise identical A/B tests |
| 13:50.25 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer: I agree |
| 13:51.09 | DocScrutinizer | could be related to a lot of things in PK, if at all related to PK |
| 13:51.19 | vi__ | however I don't want to mess with my n900 any more than I have to. |
| 13:51.34 | DocScrutinizer | e.g. network subsystem - PK has netfilters etc |
| 13:51.51 | DocScrutinizer | scheduling |
| 13:52.16 | DocScrutinizer | audio drivers |
| 13:52.43 | DocScrutinizer | or some strange dependency of skype to any idiosyncrasy of stock kernel |
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| 13:55.34 | jean_brat | on the download page.. what is the correct image to be flashed EMMC of combined? |
| 13:55.46 | jean_brat | what is the difference between two? |
| 13:59.25 | hurrian | EMMC = 32GB storage, containing user programs and documents |
| 13:59.46 | hurrian | the other one is the system |
| 14:02.04 | jean_brat | EMMC is not country specific? |
| 14:02.09 | hurrian | yeah |
| 14:02.17 | hurrian | actually, you're better off flashing the GLOBAL images |
| 14:02.48 | DocScrutinizer | usually |
| 14:02.57 | jean_brat | so the procedure is to flash EMMC and then FIASCO? |
| 14:03.13 | DocScrutinizer | you probably don't need to flash EMMC |
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| 14:03.59 | hurrian | *note: flashing EMMC removes all your stuff on the internal storage |
| 14:04.07 | jean_brat | i will do it , just to clean em once it for all |
| 14:04.12 | DocScrutinizer | if however you do, then yes, the recommended sequence is to flash eMMC first, as this avoids the problem of unintended boots in between flashing |
| 14:04.25 | hurrian | the order doesn't really matter, though |
| 14:04.32 | DocScrutinizer | not really |
| 14:05.11 | DocScrutinizer | but eMMC first, or rather COMBINED last, is a safe way to make sure nothing goes awry during flashing procedure |
| 14:05.44 | DocScrutinizer | flashing COMBINED first and then eMMC requires strict avoidance of accidentals boots between the two |
| 14:06.38 | DocScrutinizer | even a few seconds suffice to end with a non working system, so you'll reflash COMBINED again as last step anyway |
| 14:06.47 | jean_brat | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin is the latest one i believe |
| 14:07.00 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 14:07.09 | DocScrutinizer | I think so |
| 14:07.21 | DocScrutinizer | rightmost col tells what's "recent" |
| 14:07.52 | DocScrutinizer | so there shouldn't be any doubt really |
| 14:09.51 | jean_brat | cool |
| 14:09.58 | jean_brat | version numbering is confusing |
| 14:10.07 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 14:10.58 | DocScrutinizer | the advantage of flashing COMBINED first, then eMMC is you don't need to reboot or shut down device between the two steps |
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| 14:11.18 | DocScrutinizer | so this is considered the method for advanced users |
| 14:11.43 | DocScrutinizer | while flashing COMBINEd last is the foolproof method |
| 14:12.13 | DocScrutinizer | less convenient but "works always" |
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| 14:15.14 | jean_brat | DocScrutinizer, its mentioned in RED that dont reboot between 2 flashes? |
| 14:16.43 | DocScrutinizer | yes, it's mandatory for the power-user method (COMBINED then EMMC) |
| 14:17.11 | DocScrutinizer | it's basically irrelevant for the foolproof method (EMMC first then COMBINED) |
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| 14:19.32 | DocScrutinizer | look, flashing eMMC nukes /opt. First boot after flashing COMBINED *prepares* /opt |
| 14:19.55 | DocScrutinizer | you can't rerun "first boot" /opt preparation process |
| 14:20.44 | DocScrutinizer | so the safe way is to flash COMBINED *after* eMMC |
| 14:21.37 | DocScrutinizer | or you make damn sure you don't run "first boot" after flashing COMBINED before flashing eMMC |
| 14:22.18 | DocScrutinizer | if you accidentally did, it's "flash COMBINED *again*, after flashing eMMC" |
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| 14:24.52 | DocScrutinizer | if however your rootfs / system is severely messed up, it will refuse flashing eMMC. So you need to flash COMBINED _first_ then, to make flashing eMMC even work. Then you might have to flash COMBINED again, after flashing eMMC if you accidentally booted device before flashing eMMC |
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| 14:26.45 | DocScrutinizer | baseline, whatever you do, you should end with a successfully flashed system, if only you did flash the right images for both eMMC and COMBINED, and you ended your several flashing procedures with a COMBINED flash |
| 14:27.40 | DocScrutinizer | first boot will take quite some time - don't shut down the system during that |
| 14:27.58 | DocScrutinizer | like: several minutes |
| 14:28.42 | jean_brat | hmm.. i have whole night to get through this |
| 14:28.54 | chem|st | that is why your battery should have a charge of at least 80% |
| 14:28.55 | DocScrutinizer | should suffice |
| 14:29.02 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 14:29.03 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 14:29.49 | jean_brat | so flashing EMMC requires an hour at least? |
| 14:29.57 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: while downloading and transfering maps with nokiasuite MyDocs locked ro several times, should I be worried? |
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| 14:30.12 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm, probably |
| 14:30.34 | DocScrutinizer | I'd do a eMMC reflash |
| 14:30.55 | chem|st | means having a vanilla device again^^ |
| 14:31.09 | chem|st | I do not like! |
| 14:31.11 | DocScrutinizer | followed by a fsck for bad blocks maybe - though I gather that doesn't help for MMC |
| 14:31.22 | vi__ | Then you should install batterypatch for total max performance life. |
| 14:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | do proper backups, fool! ;-D |
| 14:31.27 | chem|st | no wont do good |
| 14:31.43 | chem|st | vi__: what is batterypatch? |
| 14:31.51 | DocScrutinizer | batterypatch BWAHAHAHA |
| 14:32.03 | vi__ | chem|st: A bad TMO joke. |
| 14:32.19 | chem|st | all the good jokes I miss :( |
| 14:32.21 | DocScrutinizer | almost as silly as nosmoke.exe |
| 14:32.26 | chem|st | hehe |
| 14:32.52 | chem|st | or pepperoni_cutter.exe^^ |
| 14:35.44 | DocScrutinizer | jean_brat: no, flashinf eMMC takes like 2..3 minutes iirc |
| 14:36.37 | DocScrutinizer | this is not N9 ;-) |
| 14:37.05 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer: is 'softpoweroff' on MCE a script? |
| 14:37.07 | DocScrutinizer | and flahser for N900 is flasher-3.5, not flasher-3.12 |
| 14:37.25 | jean_brat | Fremantle and Diablo flasher is not available in 64bit? |
| 14:37.32 | DocScrutinizer | vi__: probably |
| 14:37.47 | DocScrutinizer | jean_brat: please read |
| 14:37.49 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 14:37.50 | infobot | rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 14:37.56 | DocScrutinizer | it's explained there |
| 14:38.12 | DocScrutinizer | you need 32bit-compat-libs installed on 64bit systems |
| 14:38.19 | DocScrutinizer | linux |
| 14:39.01 | DocScrutinizer | and iirc there's some weird systemconfig bit to set, to make it work |
| 14:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
| 14:46.54 | jean_brat | -k, --kernel=ARG is for EMMC image correct? |
| 14:50.02 | Sicelo | no |
| 14:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 14:50.56 | infobot | hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 14:51.31 | DocScrutinizer | please read the complete page |
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| 15:07.40 | Darkchaos | Guys, i have a serious problem. i started rm -rf * in /, was not what i wanted to do :/ but i could stop it very fast |
| 15:08.12 | Darkchaos | my problem is now, I'm missing some busybox commands but I can access the gnu-utils and dpkg |
| 15:08.49 | merlin1991 | dafuq? |
| 15:08.59 | merlin1991 | also, reslash |
| 15:09.06 | merlin1991 | *reflash* |
| 15:09.23 | StyXman | Darkchaos: does apt-get work? |
| 15:09.29 | merlin1991 | StyXman: no point |
| 15:09.31 | Darkchaos | but it's running. Is the no way to redownload these |
| 15:09.38 | merlin1991 | post and preinst use busybox stuff |
| 15:09.43 | StyXman | you can do an ugly thin which is force the reinstallation of all the packages |
| 15:09.44 | merlin1991 | once busybox is gone you're fucked |
| 15:09.53 | Darkchaos | No it doesn't because it's using tar |
| 15:10.07 | merlin1991 | "post and preinst" |
| 15:10.17 | merlin1991 | the shellscripts inside the package |
| 15:10.25 | merlin1991 | they use busybox stuff, trust me |
| 15:10.25 | Darkchaos | but I have tar etc because i later installed the gnu utils |
| 15:10.38 | merlin1991 | also debs are not tar, but ar |
| 15:10.54 | Darkchaos | yes, but as long as the syntax is not that different, i could link "gtar" to "tar" which would work? |
| 15:10.57 | jean_brat | hi i am facing an issue with the flasher and it displays |
| 15:10.57 | Darkchaos | maybe? |
| 15:11.09 | jean_brat | USB device found found at bus 001, device address 011. |
| 15:11.09 | jean_brat | Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted |
| 15:11.15 | merlin1991 | "tar" and "ar" are completely different |
| 15:11.19 | Darkchaos | ar is working |
| 15:11.45 | merlin1991 | well you could try a |
| 15:11.52 | merlin1991 | apt-get install --reinstall busybox |
| 15:11.55 | merlin1991 | and go on from there |
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| 15:13.34 | Darkchaos | hmm ok flashing seems to be a nice idea as well, as my / was about 99% full, causing several errors such as impossibility of updating, forcing me to reboot the phone every day as calls were not incoming anymore |
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| 15:13.55 | Darkchaos | is flashing dangerous or hard? |
| 15:14.07 | jacekowski | no |
| 15:14.16 | jacekowski | if you can read the manual |
| 15:14.24 | jacekowski | but you can't brick your phone |
| 15:15.13 | jacekowski | you can make it unbootable, but it can be recovered with nothing more than normal usb cable and PC |
| 15:15.24 | Darkchaos | ok |
| 15:15.39 | jacekowski | it may be complicated on windows |
| 15:15.40 | Darkchaos | and my contacts and sms are all stored in /home? so copyin all this should be enough? |
| 15:15.48 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 15:16.03 | jacekowski | make a backup using normal backup app |
| 15:16.06 | rm_work | if you are not changing software versions, yes |
| 15:16.26 | rm_work | if you are moving from like 1.1 to 1.2 or something, it could be problematic just manually copying /home over |
| 15:16.38 | rm_work | that's why we recommend you use the built-in backup application |
| 15:16.43 | rm_work | assuming it still works :/ |
| 15:16.45 | Darkchaos | or if im not flashing the emmc works? |
| 15:17.07 | rm_work | err this is maemo not harmattan, lol... so yeah, you should be fine |
| 15:17.31 | rm_work | just backup your home |
| 15:18.13 | Darkchaos | ok and contacts are in /home or smth not in /etc or something? |
| 15:19.35 | Darkchaos | and how can i determinate which version i need to not update the software? |
| 15:22.34 | Darkchaos | because I only want to keep contacts, sms and the call history, no applications |
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| 15:24.30 | Darkchaos | fuck, unnable to start up winscp to backup files :/ |
| 15:24.46 | jean_brat | Hi it took less the 3 mins to flash VEnnila and combined both |
| 15:25.07 | jean_brat | don know if it deployed 32 gigs in 3 mins |
| 15:25.21 | Darkchaos | can i save the data on the sd card somehow? |
| 15:25.41 | Darkchaos | will this work? |
| 15:25.49 | Darkchaos | ./media/mmc1 |
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| 15:30.52 | jean_brat | hi i just flahsed it as per the instruction but device still does not boot |
| 15:31.14 | jean_brat | after NOKIA logo ..... appears couple of times and then it turns off again |
| 15:32.40 | jacekowski | jean_brat: then you didn't do it as per instruction |
| 15:32.45 | jacekowski | ~flashing |
| 15:32.45 | infobot | well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 15:32.48 | jacekowski | read the whole thing |
| 15:33.34 | Darkchaos | and only saving /home is enought |
| 15:33.47 | Darkchaos | or how can i only backup several things |
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| 15:36.44 | jean_brat | jacekowski, i used the flsher script and deployed the vennila image and then diconnected the cable removed the battery for a while and reconnected it and deployed the combined image |
| 15:36.48 | jean_brat | with - |
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| 15:36.57 | jean_brat | with -R for the last one |
| 15:37.11 | jean_brat | it went without any issues neat and clean |
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| 15:37.29 | jean_brat | now when i turn back on.. it does not go beyond that screen |
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| 15:40.32 | Darkchaos | I Have to find out which Image to use, but I have no clue where? |
| 15:40.47 | jacekowski | jean_brat: try doing it again |
| 15:41.11 | jacekowski | and paste whole output to like pastebin.com |
| 15:41.20 | jacekowski | and it takes like 5 minutes for first boot |
| 15:42.21 | jean_brat | ok vennila is done again, |
| 15:42.47 | Darkchaos | guys please, how can i determinate my maemo version by only using the shell? |
| 15:43.19 | jean_brat | shell i have to keep the device connected to my laptop? after i install COMBINED..? untill it reboots? |
| 15:43.38 | Darkchaos | The Problem is I cannot see the versions available because I have to shutdown my device for the IMEI, doing this, I cannot access maemo anymore |
| 15:44.51 | chem|st | re |
| 15:44.55 | jean_brat | jacekowski, what bothers me is.. on the task bar it keeps displaying n900 rom connected / disconnected during the procedure |
| 15:45.00 | jean_brat | don know if its normal |
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| 15:46.58 | jean_brat | Finishing flashing... done |
| 15:46.59 | jean_brat | Erasing CMT: 49% |
| 15:47.21 | jean_brat | CMT ?? don knwo what that means |
| 15:47.32 | jacekowski | cellmo |
| 15:47.58 | jean_brat | 100% (185600 of 185600 kB, avg. 13641 kB/s) |
| 15:47.58 | jean_brat | Finishing flashing... done |
| 15:47.58 | jean_brat | CMT flashed successfully |
| 15:48.18 | jean_brat | Finishing flashing... done |
| 15:48.18 | jean_brat | CMT flashed successfully |
| 15:48.25 | jacekowski | pastebin.com |
| 15:49.58 | jean_brat | http://pastebin.com/QUp8Kpis |
| 15:50.10 | jean_brat | i still have my USB connected |
| 15:50.19 | jean_brat | shell i remove? |
| 15:50.53 | jean_brat | its doing something and vibrater is sounding ever 5 second |
| 15:51.12 | chem|st | the vibrating is odd |
| 15:51.19 | chem|st | disconnect and boot |
| 15:51.54 | jean_brat | and the light is blinking like the charging indication |
| 15:51.59 | Darkchaos | jacekowski: How do I know which firmware I'm running. (using debian) And whats the difference between emmc and usual flashing? |
| 15:52.33 | chem|st | lol |
| 15:53.06 | jean_brat | Darkchaos, i am in soup already.. by flashing emmc,, don know if it works |
| 15:54.12 | chem|st | Darkchaos: you flash the global image anytime, emmc is the device with home and everything |
| 15:54.25 | chem|st | but without rootfs |
| 15:54.35 | chem|st | jean_brat: does it boot? |
| 15:54.45 | Darkchaos | that means emmc is a "light" version which does not replace my operating system? |
| 15:54.47 | jean_brat | chem|st, does the screeb go black? |
| 15:54.56 | Darkchaos | but only my Data |
| 15:55.02 | jean_brat | after the progress bar? |
| 15:55.38 | jean_brat | don know what is it doing..looks like dead again |
| 15:55.48 | jean_brat | no LED and no sound |
| 15:55.55 | chem|st | jean_brat: yes |
| 15:56.07 | chem|st | afair black but lit |
| 15:56.33 | chem|st | just let it sit for 5-10 minutes |
| 15:56.51 | jean_brat | chem|st, how many times we can flash this thing? |
| 15:56.57 | chem|st | Darkchaos: if flashing emmc you are forced to flash rootfs |
| 15:57.42 | chem|st | jean_brat: alot of times if battery was 100% at first |
| 15:58.06 | jean_brat | no ROM.. i got 2 batteries here |
| 15:58.21 | chem|st | no ROM? |
| 15:58.21 | jean_brat | ROM has limits of flashing or something? |
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| 15:59.32 | jean_brat | ok 1 more time.. and this time i wont use -R i will flash and reboot manually |
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| 15:59.34 | jacekowski | Darkchaos: it's somewhere in settings -> about |
| 15:59.50 | jacekowski | Darkchaos: there are two types of flash on n900 |
| 15:59.54 | jacekowski | Darkchaos: emmc and nand |
| 15:59.59 | jacekowski | Darkchaos: you have to flash both |
| 16:00.07 | chem|st | jean_brat: eMMC |
| 16:00.34 | chem|st | ah didnt want to hit enter... |
| 16:00.42 | chem|st | jace said it |
| 16:01.36 | jean_brat | yes vennila and combined images |
| 16:03.28 | chem|st | yes |
| 16:05.40 | jean_brat | back to back by removing the battery after vennila |
| 16:06.02 | chem|st | jean_brat: why do you remove the.... nevermind the manual said so right? |
| 16:06.06 | jean_brat | if this does not work i will do it in reverse order |
| 16:06.16 | jean_brat | yes |
| 16:07.09 | jean_brat | time for the first boot |
| 16:07.24 | chem|st | that fast? |
| 16:07.39 | jean_brat | still not working brother |
| 16:07.47 | chem|st | wasn't even a minute for rootfs... |
| 16:08.22 | jean_brat | i don know actually the script executes fine.. |
| 16:08.38 | chem|st | pastebin? |
| 16:08.59 | jean_brat | but the bar keep displaying n900 rom recognied n900 rom removed |
| 16:09.16 | jean_brat | don know if its actually deploying the image |
| 16:09.28 | jean_brat | properly |
| 16:10.00 | chem|st | pastebin! |
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| 16:10.41 | jean_brat | http://pastebin.com/F0r1s9xD |
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| 16:11.25 | Darkchaos | what confuses me, the filebrowser on the n900 displays the backupped int_kb_layout but not the folders in MyDocs |
| 16:11.37 | Darkchaos | nevermind, it has to be because .sounds -> hidden |
| 16:12.33 | Darkchaos | Version: 20.2010.36-2 ? |
| 16:12.42 | jean_brat | chem|st, anything wearied ? |
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| 16:13.01 | jean_brat | i am gonna do this in windows now |
| 16:13.11 | jean_brat | ironically i have 64 bit |
| 16:13.21 | jean_brat | of both |
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| 16:14.19 | Darkchaos | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 200174197 PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2 Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 is this ok? |
| 16:14.42 | Darkchaos | and than the eMMC content 10.2010.13-2? |
| 16:15.06 | chem|st | Darkchaos: yes |
| 16:15.27 | chem|st | jean_brat: ehrm what does it do when pressing the powerbutton |
| 16:16.43 | jean_brat | it displays NOKIA logo and <.....> for few seconds and screen fades away |
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| 16:18.06 | jean_brat | chem|st, what is the estimated time to root both vennila and combined? |
| 16:18.26 | jean_brat | because in my case it takes 1 minute or less |
| 16:18.27 | chem|st | depends... 5 minutes? |
| 16:18.47 | chem|st | cant remember, upgrading was a long time ago |
| 16:19.34 | jean_brat | i think my phone is good for nothing now |
| 16:20.06 | chem|st | jean_brat: if nokia logo then DOTS you are just to wait, it takes some time to populate opt and stuff |
| 16:20.37 | jean_brat | no there is no sign of any activity no light nothing |
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| 16:21.19 | jean_brat | i should have kept the device connected? |
| 16:21.32 | jean_brat | untill it reboots? |
| 16:21.36 | chem|st | no, just leave it for 5-10mins |
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| 16:22.33 | chem|st | there is no indication apart from screen gets lit again and dots apear |
| 16:23.09 | Darkchaos | ok so what do i have to install first, the global release and then shut off, battery exchange and then flash eMMC ? |
| 16:23.22 | Darkchaos | or first the eMMC |
| 16:23.30 | chem|st | ~flashing |
| 16:23.30 | infobot | it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 16:23.36 | Darkchaos | "NOTE: Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image immediately after that." or is fiasco something other then combined |
| 16:23.50 | Darkchaos | fiasco == expert? |
| 16:24.03 | chem|st | fiasco is the combined |
| 16:24.09 | Darkchaos | ok |
| 16:24.11 | chem|st | rootfs |
| 16:24.19 | Darkchaos | only for experts. noobs rootfs and then emmc |
| 16:24.46 | chem|st | ? |
| 16:24.55 | chem|st | follow the instructions step by step |
| 16:26.20 | chem|st | gtg l8er |
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| 17:18.10 | spark666 | why uboot conflicts whit kernel-power?lol :P |
| 17:20.00 | ShadowJK | need special versions for uboot |
| 17:20.28 | freemangordon | what? |
| 17:21.01 | spark666 | ShadowJK: And what version its that?:D |
| 17:21.38 | ShadowJK | doesn't uboot live in place kernel usually does? |
| 17:21.43 | freemangordon | u-boot flashes it's owwn kernel image, thus the conflict ;) |
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| 17:22.11 | spark666 | and version of kernel will use?a better one? |
| 17:22.29 | freemangordon | afaik omap1 |
| 17:22.53 | freemangordon | well, maybe it depends where you got u-boot from |
| 17:23.05 | freemangordon | repos or Pali's sever |
| 17:23.09 | freemangordon | *server |
| 17:23.11 | spark666 | repos |
| 17:23.37 | freemangordon | I think it is omap1 (stock one) but not sure, better ask Pali |
| 17:24.05 | spark666 | hummmm |
| 17:24.25 | freemangordon | there is u-boot on Pali's server which boots KP50 by default |
| 17:24.54 | spark666 | but Pali's server its a repo or? |
| 17:25.07 | merlin1991 | in the repos there is uboot-pr1.3, which flashes uboot with attached image of omap1 |
| 17:26.08 | freemangordon | Pali's u-boot is in repos too, and afaik it extracts currently flashed kernel an makes it default, something like that |
| 17:26.30 | freemangordon | But again, better ask pali for details |
| 17:26.36 | merlin1991 | hm didn't know palis uboot is in the repo |
| 17:26.50 | spark666 | the only uboot i found on repos is uboot-pr1.3 |
| 17:27.06 | freemangordon | spark666, that uses omap1 for sure |
| 17:27.36 | spark666 | Pali: are you here ? :P |
| 17:27.37 | freemangordon | and better look here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 for upstream one |
| 17:28.04 | spark666 | ok i will take a look,ty |
| 17:28.25 | freemangordon | merlin1991, might be wrong, I am using debs from u-boot thread, NFC fhat is in repos |
| 17:28.54 | freemangordon | merlin1991, when you will have time for *-thumb repos? |
| 17:29.06 | merlin1991 | whenever you want to |
| 17:29.15 | freemangordon | aah, go ahead then :) |
| 17:29.46 | spark666 | btw where i can find a list whit all repos?i enabled the one from maemo wiki |
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| 17:30.18 | merlin1991 | apart from extras-devel and the cssu repo there aren't any repos I know of that are proper |
| 17:30.26 | freemangordon | merlin1991, lets have the infrastructure in place, .debs will come shortly after that |
| 17:30.31 | spark666 | i have them |
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| 17:32.31 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: don't forget to put your stuff on gitorious aswell ;) |
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| 17:39.00 | freemangordon | merlin1991, ORLY :P |
| 17:39.18 | freemangordon | of course I will |
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| 17:54.30 | Darkchaos | fuck, I have no space left on my SD MemoryCard^^ |
| 17:54.38 | Darkchaos | what folders are important |
| 17:54.46 | Darkchaos | i guess /home/developer? |
| 17:54.57 | Darkchaos | .bookmarks perhaps |
| 17:55.02 | Darkchaos | .signon? |
| 17:55.26 | Darkchaos | some apps and settings of them are not needed i guess as well as the cache |
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| 17:57.12 | chem|st | Darkchaos: how about using the backup tool or is zip gone? |
| 17:57.29 | Darkchaos | BackUp tool works but there is no information about saving contacts etc |
| 17:57.55 | chem|st | Darkchaos: they are within, and how about using the export function of abook? |
| 17:58.14 | Darkchaos | What's abook? The default contact book? |
| 17:58.29 | Darkchaos | half of the gui is even missing already :( |
| 17:58.47 | Darkchaos | but im dumb, i could have already exported those contacts to Paper |
| 18:00.13 | Darkchaos | ok the rm does not work but using rm `ls` is wrong as well, as it is not "" ing the files |
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| 18:15.27 | rm_work | rm does too work |
| 18:15.27 | rm_work | :P |
| 18:15.30 | rm_work | hides |
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| 18:18.54 | Darkchaos | do you recomend using the NSU or the Flasher? |
| 18:19.00 | Darkchaos | :D it has been working :D |
| 18:19.12 | Darkchaos | but i was using a damaged ssh session :D |
| 18:19.18 | Darkchaos | but now i'll use the default filemanager |
| 18:19.58 | Darkchaos | can you give me some tipp how to reflash? First i have to reflash rootfs right? |
| 18:20.02 | Darkchaos | and then restart and flash COMBINED? |
| 18:20.21 | chem|st | NO rebooting in between |
| 18:20.24 | Darkchaos | so no "-R" when flashing rootfs |
| 18:20.24 | ShadowJK | As long as you don't boot N900 in between, it's fine |
| 18:20.29 | Darkchaos | ok |
| 18:20.31 | chem|st | Darkchaos: follow what infobot says |
| 18:20.48 | Darkchaos | but there was something about rebooting, was that the only rootfs? |
| 18:21.13 | Darkchaos | ye i do, but there is not really clear what rootfs and emmc is etc, but after I have saved all data I will read through again |
| 18:21.33 | ShadowJK | Yeah, the terminology isn't consistent |
| 18:22.17 | ShadowJK | the rootfs/fiasco files are newer, and there are only like 2 emmc files (use the newer one, obviously) |
| 18:22.25 | Darkchaos | ok |
| 18:22.32 | Darkchaos | and first the rootfs of course? |
| 18:22.42 | Darkchaos | or let's call them the COMBINED ones |
| 18:23.00 | Darkchaos | err and the emmc version is not really matching my maemo version number, is this usual? |
| 18:23.19 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 18:23.34 | ShadowJK | They only made two because it didn't change |
| 18:24.38 | Darkchaos | Ok i belive in you and the 8MB Backup made by Maemo |
| 18:24.55 | Darkchaos | err and you recommend flasher instead of NSU? |
| 18:25.24 | ShadowJK | I haven't tried nsu, but I've heard bad things about it? |
| 18:25.33 | Darkchaos | ok |
| 18:25.36 | ShadowJK | But then again, I've also heard bad things about flasher on windows |
| 18:25.53 | Darkchaos | That's why I'll use Debian in a VM, I hope this will work |
| 18:27.42 | Darkchaos | And there was a Kernel which supported a WLan Router (being one), Is this the Point were I implement it, or can this be done later on-the-fly? |
| 18:28.01 | ShadowJK | later |
| 18:28.12 | Darkchaos | And just to know, what happens if the usb connection stops while flashing? (my usb port is a bit damaged) |
| 18:28.31 | ShadowJK | You'll have to flash again |
| 18:28.38 | Darkchaos | ok |
| 18:28.46 | Darkchaos | haha nice I even damaged the turn-off switch |
| 18:31.45 | Darkchaos | well shouldn't i first flash the eMMC the remove the battery and then flash the rootfs as it's written here? |
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| 18:41.18 | spark666 | i installed locate on my n900 but it doesnt work..any ideas? |
| 18:43.21 | joga | updatedb? what does "doesn't work" mean anyway? |
| 18:43.55 | spark666 | i know about updatedb |
| 18:44.09 | spark666 | but i get a "not found" error |
| 18:44.41 | joga | a *what* "not found" error? |
| 18:44.47 | joga | command not found? file not found? |
| 18:45.42 | spark666 | sh :updatedb :not found |
| 18:45.48 | spark666 | and same whit locate |
| 18:46.37 | joga | spark666 how did you install it? |
| 18:46.46 | spark666 | from appmanager |
| 18:47.06 | joga | seems I don't have the same repos enabled then |
| 18:47.14 | joga | (can't find it) |
| 18:47.33 | spark666 | i have the testing and friends enabled to :P |
| 18:48.01 | joga | tried dpkg -L <pkg name> ? |
| 18:48.08 | joga | to list the files that come with it |
| 18:48.23 | spark666 | okey ill try it ty |
| 18:48.40 | Darkchaos | OT: Did anybody try to port What's App to Maemo? I don't know why, but here in Germany nobody uses his facebook or irc or skype chat, but what's app |
| 18:49.01 | Darkchaos | I don't get why, if they have facebook, even because what's app is mailing your whole addressbook?! |
| 18:51.10 | chem|st | Darkchaos: dito |
| 18:51.27 | chem|st | yes they are after it |
| 18:52.05 | spark666 | man locate works ,to read the man,only the command doesnt work |
| 18:52.20 | joga | spark666 tried with full path? |
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| 18:53.37 | spark666 | joga: how could i miss that?tnx |
| 18:53.50 | spark666 | but why it need the full path? |
| 18:54.56 | Darkchaos | because it isn't linked in /bin or /usr/bin or /usr/sbin or smth, i'm not that into linux but it searches the command in the current directory and then in those folders |
| 18:55.25 | spark666 | maybe i should symlink it? |
| 18:56.01 | joga | Darkchaos actually current directory is not usually searched |
| 18:56.47 | Darkchaos | Why not? It could be that there is a file named locate? |
| 18:56.57 | Darkchaos | or is this only in case he uses sh or ./ infront? |
| 18:57.34 | joga | Darkchaos I've never used a linux system that searches the current path... |
| 18:58.00 | joga | (sure, it's about the shell of course but sounds unusual to me) |
| 18:58.47 | Darkchaos | well you could want to execute bash scripts in there? |
| 18:58.56 | joga | nope |
| 18:59.09 | joga | I want it to search stuff in dirs I put in $PATH and that's it |
| 18:59.25 | joga | then I add just ~/bin for example to PATH and put my scripts there |
| 19:00.07 | spark666 | btw does this ash has something like bash has the .bashrc? |
| 19:00.09 | spark666 | :P |
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| 19:01.05 | Darkchaos | fuck, I should have written a presentation about led's instead Im about 5 Hours already fixing my fucking mobile phone |
| 19:01.19 | Darkchaos | waiting for the download to finish, the flashing doesn't take long or? |
| 19:01.25 | Darkchaos | 10 minutes? (5 minutes per file?) |
| 19:01.26 | spark666 | Darkchaos: language clean pls :P |
| 19:01.32 | Darkchaos | :D ok |
| 19:01.36 | joga | I don't think it takes very long |
| 19:01.43 | DocScrutinizer | (<spark666> i know about updatedb) it's a bug, see ~jrtools |
| 19:01.43 | joga | can't remember exactly though, but minutes anyway |
| 19:01.48 | Darkchaos | replace the word with: "well" |
| 19:02.01 | spark666 | DocScrutinizer: ty |
| 19:02.18 | spark666 | ~jrtools |
| 19:02.18 | infobot | somebody said jrtools was http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 19:03.15 | spark666 | DocScrutinizer: should i symlink them then?or create an alias? |
| 19:03.56 | ShadowJK | you can write presentation while waiting for downloads ;p |
| 19:04.09 | Darkchaos | yes but at the moment I'm to excited :D |
| 19:04.50 | Darkchaos | and at the moment here where i'm living its at 9pm too hot -.- (It is Germany :D but it's like in asia or something to much water in the air, so you sweat all the time) |
| 19:09.22 | Darkchaos | what if my phone is not entirely loaded? |
| 19:10.10 | ShadowJK | charged? flashing wont work |
| 19:10.30 | Darkchaos | yes that's what i meant, its about 95% loaded |
| 19:10.46 | Darkchaos | but problem is due to the memory effect I can never entirely charge it |
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| 19:11.06 | Darkchaos | well i'll try now, wish me luck :) |
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| 19:14.44 | DocScrutinizer | spark666: I'm actually not exactly sure what's your particular problem, the problem of updatedb though is that it searches for /usr/bin/find and that's not available, only usr/bin/gfind is |
| 19:15.20 | spark666 | DocScrutinizer: it works only whit full path,same as locate |
| 19:15.32 | DocScrutinizer | since updatedb is a shellscript, I made a sed cmdline that fixes the issue |
| 19:16.11 | Darkchaos | ok virtual machines don't work |
| 19:17.10 | DocScrutinizer | spark666: |
| 19:17.13 | DocScrutinizer | ~ # which updatedb |
| 19:17.15 | DocScrutinizer | ~ # bash |
| 19:17.17 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# which updatedb |
| 19:17.18 | DocScrutinizer | /usr/bin/gnu/updatedb |
| 19:17.20 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# echo $PATH |
| 19:17.21 | DocScrutinizer | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin/gnu:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
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| 19:18.33 | spark666 | i dont have bash |
| 19:18.35 | DocScrutinizer | which gupdatedb |
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| 19:20.01 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. it's already symlinked |
| 19:20.12 | Darkchaos | It says Booting device into flash mode, and then the charged led begins to shine, and then: "suitable USB Device not found, waiting." |
| 19:20.40 | spark666 | Darkchaos: its ok |
| 19:21.10 | Darkchaos | yes? because the terminal reports that its could find a suitable usb device after the flashmode boot |
| 19:21.15 | Darkchaos | does this boot take a few minutes? |
| 19:21.28 | Darkchaos | i can see a dimmed nokia on the screen |
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| 19:24.30 | DocScrutinizer | Darkchaos: boot will take minutes after jumping dots |
| 19:24.36 | DocScrutinizer | not on NOKIA screen |
| 19:25.01 | Darkchaos | I cannot see jumping dots, I see Nokia and on the right the disappearing usb symbol |
| 19:25.07 | Darkchaos | thats all |
| 19:25.46 | DocScrutinizer | then the phone is in proper flashing mode, battery is sufficiently charged, and you should already have started flasher |
| 19:26.15 | DocScrutinizer | flasher shall be started before plugging in phone |
| 19:26.35 | Darkchaos | yeah |
| 19:26.51 | DocScrutinizer | it will "wait" after "no USB found", then you plug in N900 with 'u' held down, and it shall start flashing |
| 19:27.20 | Darkchaos | "Suitable USB device not found, waiting. blah found device... Booting device into flash mode. Suitable USB device not found, waiting" |
| 19:27.32 | Darkchaos | so it looses connection when attempting to boot in flash mode |
| 19:27.43 | DocScrutinizer | you probably have problems on PC side, witjh |
| 19:27.51 | DocScrutinizer | with module cdc_ether etc |
| 19:28.20 | Darkchaos | maybe because it's running in a vm and after that isn't available to the windows driver? |
| 19:28.26 | DocScrutinizer | or you have a fsckdup rootfs on N900, and try to flash eMMC |
| 19:29.09 | Darkchaos | how can I fix this? |
| 19:29.18 | DocScrutinizer | hard to diagnose unless we know exactly what you're doing |
| 19:30.13 | Darkchaos | rm -rf /* -> I want to reflash my os, I definately have version 2010-20. something - 36 |
| 19:30.29 | Darkchaos | trying to flash the emmc |
| 19:31.39 | DocScrutinizer | after rm -rf /* you got a thoroughly fucked rootfs, you'll need to flash COMBINED first, flashing eMMC won't work |
| 19:32.13 | Darkchaos | ok |
| 19:32.43 | DocScrutinizer | so you flash COMBINED, eMMC, COMBINED *again* |
| 19:33.08 | DocScrutinizer | should get you out of any trouble |
| 19:33.32 | Darkchaos | yeah :) |
| 19:33.42 | DocScrutinizer | and please read complere page at |
| 19:33.44 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 19:33.45 | infobot | maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 19:34.08 | Darkchaos | When flashing the eMMC content, the safe way is flash the eMMC/VANILLA image first, then remove battery for a moment, and then flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image. Do not boot up the device between the two i.e do NOT use the -R parameter at the end! |
| 19:34.10 | Darkchaos | That confused me |
| 19:34.49 | DocScrutinizer | how is that confusing? |
| 19:35.00 | Darkchaos | well i thought i have to flash eMMC first |
| 19:35.18 | DocScrutinizer | you have to flash COMBINED *last* |
| 19:35.32 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 19:35.35 | chem|st | ? |
| 19:36.00 | Darkchaos | ok :) thank you now the flashing works |
| 19:36.27 | Darkchaos | I think this is the best that happend to me because I had 99% on / even if I don't know why :D |
| 19:36.58 | Darkchaos | and nitdroid never booted, mounted fs gone read only after 100 acceses |
| 19:37.05 | Darkchaos | unmounted by themselfes |
| 19:37.06 | DocScrutinizer | Darkchaos: just 5 lines after yur quote there is: >Note however that eMMC flashing will fail when your rootfs is completely messed up, the recommended flash sequence then is rootfs, eMMC, rootfs *again*.< |
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| 19:37.25 | spark666 | where can i see the features log of kp50 |
| 19:37.29 | Darkchaos | after 1 day of using the icons on my desktop freezed |
| 19:37.35 | Darkchaos | *embarassing * |
| 19:39.08 | Darkchaos | I never thought that It would be that easy :) |
| 19:39.43 | Darkchaos | should be done. booting now :) |
| 19:40.44 | DocScrutinizer | first boot will take minutes |
| 19:40.52 | Darkchaos | k |
| 19:40.53 | spark666 | it will take some time dont panic |
| 19:40.53 | DocScrutinizer | don't abort it |
| 19:42.07 | freemangordon | spark666, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83118&highlight=kernel-power |
| 19:42.22 | spark666 | freemangordon: tnx |
| 19:42.46 | DocScrutinizer | anyway I declare May 10. the day of maemo reflashing |
| 19:42.47 | freemangordon | sorry for the highlight :) |
| 19:42.53 | Darkchaos | If it has booted how can i import the backup lateron? :D |
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| 19:43.11 | user | . |
| 19:43.12 | Darkchaos | ./accept |
| 19:43.14 | DocScrutinizer | backup app ->restore |
| 19:43.20 | Darkchaos | ok |
| 19:43.39 | vi____ | what is the address for cssu irc? |
| 19:43.45 | vi____ | also |
| 19:43.46 | DocScrutinizer | and obviously again mass storage mode, for anything on MyDocs |
| 19:43.50 | Darkchaos | hell yeah, my phone just rose like a phenix out of the ashes |
| 19:44.00 | freemangordon | vi____, #maemo-ssu |
| 19:44.10 | vi____ | FMG| |
| 19:44.22 | Darkchaos | well i have to copy them out of the sd external card, because i even broke this functionality :D |
| 19:44.28 | vi____ | the man who gives his girl a new phone as a present... |
| 19:44.37 | vi____ | ...then steals the battery! |
| 19:44.58 | freemangordon | yeah ;) |
| 19:44.59 | Darkchaos | :D |
| 19:45.45 | vi____ | ok |
| 19:45.50 | freemangordon | but gives her his old one (the battery i mena) :D |
| 19:45.53 | freemangordon | *mean |
| 19:46.05 | vi____ | how do i determine if the orientation lock is on? |
| 19:46.19 | vi____ | freemangordon: I did the same to mrs vi__ |
| 19:46.20 | freemangordon | by looking at your status bar |
| 19:46.27 | vi____ | with a 5800 |
| 19:46.51 | DocScrutinizer | vi____: it's visible as an icon in statusbar |
| 19:47.31 | freemangordon | nah, it does not make sense, 5800 has the same 1360 mAh as n900 |
| 19:47.40 | DocScrutinizer | plumbs a few more "_______" to vi____ 's ass |
| 19:47.46 | freemangordon | :D:D:D |
| 19:48.28 | vi____ | the ___ is my e-peen |
| 19:48.54 | vi____ | I have a script that does some stuff depending on the orientation of the n900 |
| 19:49.32 | Darkchaos | well ok, my backup application says "no backups available"? |
| 19:49.33 | freemangordon | you can check a gconf value, look at CSSU wiki for which exact one |
| 19:49.44 | freemangordon | vi____ ^^^ |
| 19:50.07 | DocScrutinizer | you probably stored them to either uSD or MyDocs. In any case you have to restore those contents |
| 19:50.08 | Darkchaos | they are in the /home/user/ folder |
| 19:50.46 | vi_ | however when the orientation lock is enabled the orientation lies |
| 19:51.14 | DocScrutinizer | the backup app looks in to particular path/dir locations only, for backups to restore |
| 19:51.37 | Darkchaos | aww that is bad :/ |
| 19:51.48 | Darkchaos | I have a folder "Backup" but there is a hidden folder "backup" |
| 19:52.02 | freemangordon | vi_, there are d-bus signals you can use in latest h-d |
| 19:52.06 | DocScrutinizer | one is /home/user/MyDocs/backups/ |
| 19:52.09 | Darkchaos | oh shell is per default installed :) |
| 19:52.28 | freemangordon | *signals and methods |
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| 19:53.01 | Darkchaos | well i cannot see this folder, maybe in usb mode? |
| 19:53.18 | DocScrutinizer | the other is /media/mmc1/backups/# |
| 19:53.21 | DocScrutinizer | the other is /media/mmc1/backups/ |
| 19:53.28 | Darkchaos | the problem is the captial "b" |
| 19:53.54 | vi_ | brb |
| 19:53.56 | DocScrutinizer | no capital B |
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| 19:54.11 | vi_ | cthulhu calls |
| 19:54.19 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.39 | Darkchaos | yeah but as i copied it to the sd card I copied it as "Backups" but i cannot see a "backups" via integrated filemanager |
| 19:54.40 | freemangordon | the call of chtulhu? |
| 19:54.55 | prometoys | hi, is there an easy way to configure the status menu? except deinstalling extensions for it? |
| 19:54.56 | DocScrutinizer | ~wiki call of chtulhu |
| 19:55.55 | DocScrutinizer | nfc about HFM |
| 19:56.13 | DocScrutinizer | might do the MSDOS bullshit of autocapitalizing every dir |
| 19:56.46 | DocScrutinizer | or your input-method did that for you, when you typed the destination dir name |
| 19:57.13 | DocScrutinizer | anyway unlike MSDOS unix / linux is case-aware |
| 19:57.16 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, it is a song of Metallica |
| 19:57.42 | freemangordon | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1RTgznup5c |
| 19:57.54 | DocScrutinizer | I thought it's sth like "montezuma's revenge" |
| 19:59.23 | DocScrutinizer | wtf gone Darkchaos ? |
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| 20:00.07 | DocScrutinizer | prometoys: there's a terribly clumsy way to edit an XML file |
| 20:01.28 | DocScrutinizer | it's so friggin annoying and sensible to obscure details it doesn't like about your editing that I actually preferred to forget the name of the file |
| 20:02.05 | Sazpaimon_ | ibrakalifa |
| 20:02.05 | Sazpaimon_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.06 | Sazpaimon_ | oh man |
| 20:02.11 | Sazpaimon_ | that looks so good on my eyes |
| 20:02.24 | DocScrutinizer | though I have to look into it eventually again, to get rif of double profile settings now that I have tweakr and profile-manager installed |
| 20:02.40 | DocScrutinizer | get rid, even |
| 20:02.41 | prometoys | docscrutinizer: thx, just found an option in cssu tuner to make fmtx entry always visible, this was what i was looking for |
| 20:02.53 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 20:02.55 | prometoys | i prefer to ignore the other items instead to edit the xml file |
| 20:02.57 | prometoys | : |
| 20:03.00 | prometoys | :) |
| 20:03.19 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, that's what I currently do as well |
| 20:03.33 | DocScrutinizer | as that XML file is a *bitch* |
| 20:05.55 | DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon_: UH???? |
| 20:06.12 | Darkchaos | Mass-Storage-Mode is only providing me the sdcard? |
| 20:06.59 | DocScrutinizer | nope, mass storage mode is exporting /home/user/MyDocs/ and /media/card/ (or whatever the name of uSD) |
| 20:07.38 | Sazpaimon_ | DocScrutinizer, that guy got on my nerves |
| 20:07.52 | DocScrutinizer | which guy? |
| 20:07.57 | Sazpaimon_ | ibrakalifa |
| 20:08.09 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 20:08.12 | DocScrutinizer | never seen |
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| 20:08.53 | DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon_: are you sure you're in right chan? |
| 20:09.57 | Sazpaimon_ | DocScrutinizer, yeah he's a TMO member |
| 20:10.07 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 20:10.52 | Sazpaimon_ | yeah I dont know why i still go there either |
| 20:10.55 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest you use the term "banned from tmo" |
| 20:11.14 | DocScrutinizer | so I can ignore the useless info ;-) |
| 20:11.34 | DocScrutinizer | instead of worrying if I missed sth here on IRC |
| 20:12.02 | Sazpaimon_ | there's actually been more activity in #maemo than usual |
| 20:12.08 | Sazpaimon_ | surprisingly |
| 20:12.43 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, day of first-time-reflashers |
| 20:13.16 | DocScrutinizer | suspects some rogue pkg published via tmo ;-P |
| 20:13.59 | DocScrutinizer | or some BS statement along the line "nitdroid is *AWESOME*!!1!11!11!" |
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| 20:14.12 | vi___ | soooo |
| 20:14.18 | vi___ | I am now on a real keyboard |
| 20:14.45 | DocScrutinizer | hey, doesn't make much difference |
| 20:14.56 | DocScrutinizer | the '___' still looks the same ;-) |
| 20:15.41 | vi___ | Is there a way to query the current screen dimensions? |
| 20:15.55 | vi___ | ala xrandr |
| 20:16.01 | DocScrutinizer | umm, probably yes |
| 20:16.12 | DocScrutinizer | somewhere in X |
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| 20:16.17 | DocScrutinizer | or Qt |
| 20:16.39 | Darkchaos | does the backup automatically install all apps again? because it said restoring applications and now i have the programmmanager and it's doing nothing^^ |
| 20:17.08 | DocScrutinizer | AIUI portrait rotation based on aspect ratio which basically is X>Y?prtrait:landscape |
| 20:18.14 | DocScrutinizer | errr, the app restore offers a menu to (un)select arbitrary apps out of the backup'ed set |
| 20:18.49 | Darkchaos | ok, If i try to do something it says "Progress Running. Please wait" |
| 20:18.52 | Darkchaos | now its finished :) |
| 20:18.52 | DocScrutinizer | you should have a checkbox at left of each app |
| 20:18.57 | Darkchaos | now it works^^ |
| 20:20.28 | vi___ | that is how I would determine orientation, however how do I determine the dimensions... |
| 20:20.33 | vi___ | ...only using bash. |
| 20:26.38 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, bash |
| 20:26.44 | DocScrutinizer | no idea, sorry |
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| 20:27.02 | vi___ | cat /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/graphics\:fb0/virtual_size |
| 20:27.05 | DocScrutinizer | you *might* deduce from terminal properties (lines, cols) |
| 20:27.06 | vi___ | ^ nope |
| 20:27.35 | DocScrutinizer | vi___: kudos |
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| 20:28.57 | DocScrutinizer | does this rotate? |
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| 20:32.01 | vi___ | ...no |
| 20:32.13 | vi___ | it is just the raw size of the famebuffer |
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| 20:35.58 | vi___ | FWIW |
| 20:36.06 | vi___ | If you put: |
| 20:36.40 | vi___ | gconftool-2 --type string --set /apps/connui-cellular/operator_name_online |
| 20:36.40 | vi___ | $(ifconfig wlan0 | awk '/inet addr/ {split ($2,A,":"); print A[2]}') | grep -v |
| 20:36.41 | vi___ | "127.0.0.1" |
| 20:37.02 | vi___ | into a script in /etc/network/if-post-up.d |
| 20:37.14 | vi___ | AND you have custom operator widget installed |
| 20:37.26 | vi___ | Your operator name will be your IP address |
| 20:37.29 | vi___ | :) |
| 20:43.19 | DocScrutinizer | hey :-D |
| 20:46.02 | vi___ | ok |
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| 20:46.17 | vi___ | if ( $(gconftool-2 --recursive-list /apps/osso/hildon-desktop | grep -m1 'orientation_lock' | cut -d ' ' -f 4) = 'tru |
| 20:46.20 | vi___ | e' ); then echo lol; fi |
| 20:46.29 | vi___ | to determine screenlock state |
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| 20:47.20 | vi___ | so if (orientation changed AND orientation lock = false); then |
| 20:47.25 | vi___ | do my script; |
| 20:47.28 | vi___ | job done |
| 20:47.35 | vi___ | get your coat |
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| 20:58.37 | vi___ | who here knows sed? |
| 21:00.29 | freemangordon | sed who? |
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| 21:07.37 | DocScrutinizer | vi___: why not gconftool-2 --get /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/orientation_lock |
| 21:10.13 | vi___ | because I have a serious case of the retards |
| 21:10.14 | merlin1991 | holy shit vi___ that is some overuse of the shell right htere :D |
| 21:10.33 | vi___ | I shall now use it |
| 21:10.33 | DocScrutinizer | if [ "x$(gconftool-2 --get /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/orientation_lock)" == xtrue ] |
| 21:12.39 | DocScrutinizer | maybe even: if [ "x$(gconftool-2 --get /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/orientation_lock 2>/dev/null)" == xtrue ] |
| 21:14.39 | ShadowJK | Li-Ion does not have "memory effect", and the default N900 battery meter just shows whatever it wants, randomly, sometimes :P |
| 21:14.57 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 21:15.01 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
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| 21:15.26 | DocScrutinizer | EFOCUS? |
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| 21:16.30 | DocScrutinizer | vi___: still need sed? |
| 21:17.11 | DocScrutinizer | I like to use sed, though I also have to look up details in manpage frequently |
| 21:18.00 | ShadowJK | No I was reading scrollback :) |
| 21:18.14 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yeah, thought as much |
| 21:18.27 | DocScrutinizer | just wondered how far back you are |
| 21:18.47 | DocScrutinizer | some 6h? 12? |
| 21:19.23 | vi___ | merlin1991: I am not bashfully subtle |
| 21:19.59 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer: I like awk sed and grep too, but any time I get any good I just forget it all after a week of not using it |
| 21:20.18 | DocScrutinizer | same here ;-D |
| 21:20.35 | DocScrutinizer | particularly awk |
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| 21:29.52 | vi___ | mother of god |
| 21:30.00 | vi___ | will SOMONE |
| 21:30.17 | vi___ | tell ash shell that ( is more or less [. |
| 21:31.44 | Darkchaos | Somehow the backup did not import my chat history? |
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| 21:33.32 | whatever4ever | how do you read conversations without the conversations app? |
| 21:33.35 | whatever4ever | Mine is all corrupt |
| 21:33.58 | vi___ | you can dump the database |
| 21:35.14 | whatever4ever | can you dump it, fix it, and then load it back? |
| 21:35.42 | vi___ | ? |
| 21:36.00 | vi___ | perhaps |
| 21:36.06 | vi___ | depends how it is mangled |
| 21:36.18 | vi___ | and how well you understand the database format |
| 21:36.55 | whatever4ever | not sure on both counts |
| 21:37.00 | whatever4ever | what should I use to read the DB? |
| 21:37.10 | vi___ | sqlite |
| 21:37.45 | vi___ | smsread () { |
| 21:37.45 | vi___ | sqlite3 -csv $( ls $HOME/.rtcom-eventlogger/el*db -1t | head -n1 ) "select * from Events,Remotes where service_id==3 and Events.remote_uid == Remotes.remote_uid ORDER BY start_time DESC;" | head -n1 | awk '-F,' '{printf("%s %s %s %s\n",strftime("%H:%M",$4),"from",$20,$16)}' | espeak -v f1 -s 160 -p 70 |
| 21:37.50 | vi___ | } |
| 21:37.54 | vi___ | was my attempt at an sms reader |
| 21:37.55 | whatever4ever | wow |
| 21:38.02 | vi___ | should give you a clue |
| 21:38.10 | whatever4ever | This thing is TRASHED |
| 21:38.29 | vi___ | whatever4ever: you opened the conversations db? |
| 21:38.36 | whatever4ever | different people's names show up under other's conversations, some names turn into <Self_Handle> (which I'm guessing is in the code somewhere) |
| 21:38.45 | whatever4ever | no, I got the conv app to open again |
| 21:38.55 | vi___ | mmm |
| 21:39.05 | vi___ | nuke the DB from orbit. |
| 21:39.11 | vi___ | it is the only way to be sure |
| 21:39.15 | whatever4ever | I'm buying a new n900 today, gotta try to transfer over the stuff nicely today. I wonder if I transfer the msg backup, if the fucked up handling will transfer as well |
| 21:39.24 | whatever4ever | I want to save my beloved convos |
| 21:39.26 | whatever4ever | I've so many |
| 21:39.38 | whatever4ever | hundreds of convos with hundreds of msgs each |
| 21:39.42 | whatever4ever | for yeras |
| 21:39.51 | whatever4ever | makes everything slow as fuck, but what other option do I have? |
| 21:40.46 | vi___ | whatever4ever: start again |
| 21:41.13 | whatever4ever | why? |
| 21:41.21 | whatever4ever | So the tech. solution is "Fuck your data"? |
| 21:41.30 | whatever4ever | Can you see why that might not be so satisfying? :P |
| 21:42.12 | vi___ | whatever4ever: yes |
| 21:42.28 | vi___ | My father always said 'everything can be fixed' |
| 21:42.37 | vi___ | it is just a matter of cost and time |
| 21:42.56 | merlin1991 | vi___: it's just a matter of cost |
| 21:42.57 | vi___ | You probably could rebuild the whole database by hand |
| 21:43.02 | merlin1991 | since time equals cost aswell ;) |
| 21:43.08 | vi___ | but is it wr |
| 21:43.16 | vi___ | worth the time? |
| 21:43.25 | vi___ | lol |
| 21:43.34 | vi___ | as time=money |
| 21:43.48 | vi___ | cost of fixing=money^2 |
| 21:44.15 | whatever4ever | I don't mind losing some stuff |
| 21:44.19 | whatever4ever | but most of the DB should be fine |
| 21:44.25 | whatever4ever | Can I easily recognize which is corrupt entrees |
| 21:44.27 | whatever4ever | and just delete those |
| 21:44.28 | vi___ | therefore money == the root of fixing |
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| 21:44.48 | vi___ | money=sqrt(fixing) |
| 21:46.00 | whatever4ever | lol |
| 21:46.05 | whatever4ever | okay, what do you think of my above idea |
| 21:46.14 | whatever4ever | easy way to recognize what's fucked and just remove it everywhere? |
| 21:47.29 | vi___ | well if you do not want to do it by hand then the fubar needs to be consistent |
| 21:47.54 | vi___ | with n900 you are free to do whatever you want, no matter how futile |
| 21:48.10 | whatever4ever | So I open the database by hand with your tool. Look through it and delete everything I think is messing it up, and then rewrite it as a DB? |
| 21:48.31 | vi___ | for example I spent literally days of my time trying to devise a one liner that would return my IP address whether on gprs OR wifi |
| 21:48.38 | vi___ | no no |
| 21:48.58 | whatever4ever | Isn't that easy? |
| 21:48.59 | vi___ | my script was a botch attempt to write an sms reader |
| 21:49.05 | whatever4ever | ifconfig, and many system tools? |
| 21:49.11 | whatever4ever | shows your IP |
| 21:49.16 | vi___ | whatever4ever: in a one liner |
| 21:49.25 | vi___ | whatever4ever: that ONLY returns your IP |
| 21:49.32 | vi___ | whatever4ever: no loopback address |
| 21:49.33 | whatever4ever | :) |
| 21:49.44 | vi___ | whatever4ever: comliant with ash shell |
| 21:49.55 | vi___ | whatever4ever: compliant with ash shell |
| 21:50.16 | vi___ | whatever4ever: that doesnt barf errors |
| 21:50.34 | vi___ | I do not know how you can fix the DB |
| 21:50.37 | whatever4ever | there is some website that only outputs your ip that you could wget and echo... |
| 21:51.09 | vi___ | whatever4ever: without connecting to some external website, what if i am on a LAN only? |
| 21:51.32 | whatever4ever | here is my plan. 1) backup my current one. 2) delete all conversations with issues in them 3) back up that version 4) transfer that version to the new phone 5) have an errorless DB |
| 21:51.41 | vi___ | perhaps you can use a desktop tool to examine the DB and move things back into their appropriate fields |
| 21:51.53 | whatever4ever | vi___: why would you need to know your IP if you're not connected to the web? |
| 21:51.58 | whatever4ever | You mean your internal IP? |
| 21:52.13 | vi___ | so I can xforward, shh, webserve etc |
| 21:52.21 | vi___ | yes internal IP |
| 21:52.29 | whatever4ever | so what about ifconfig? |
| 21:52.40 | vi___ | what about it? |
| 21:52.54 | vi___ | you need to know which ip address you are asking for |
| 21:53.04 | vi___ | ^interface |
| 21:54.54 | whatever4ever | ifconfig | grep ipv4 or something |
| 21:55.33 | vi___ | ifconfig $(route 2&>/dev/null | awk '{ field = $NF }; END{ print field }') >/dev/null && ifconfig $(route | awk '{ field = $NF }; END{ print field }') | egrep -o 'dr:[^ ]+'|sed 's/dr://g' || echo "127.0.0.1" |
| 21:55.48 | vi___ | I got as far as that and thought F' it |
| 21:55.55 | vi___ | I will just use a 2 liner |
| 21:56.11 | whatever4ever | jesus |
| 21:56.13 | whatever4ever | I don't know a lot of that |
| 21:56.18 | whatever4ever | I guess because I don't konw awk |
| 21:56.20 | whatever4ever | but I want to |
| 21:56.42 | vi___ | whatever4ever: no one REALLY knows awk |
| 21:56.56 | vi___ | whatever4ever: just little bits for a short while |
| 21:57.02 | whatever4ever | haha, really? |
| 21:57.34 | vi___ | whatever4ever: what is your TMO username? |
| 21:57.35 | whatever4ever | bash is so sexy |
| 21:57.46 | whatever4ever | I learned "shift" today |
| 21:57.50 | whatever4ever | what's that:? |
| 21:57.54 | whatever4ever | tmobile username? |
| 21:58.03 | whatever4ever | I am on tmobile |
| 21:58.12 | vi___ | wut? |
| 21:58.12 | whatever4ever | but I'm not chatting via my phone right now |
| 21:58.13 | Proteous_ | talk.maemo.org |
| 21:58.13 | vi___ | no |
| 21:58.17 | Proteous_ | tmo |
| 21:58.25 | vi___ | your tmo username |
| 21:58.33 | whatever4ever | what's that? |
| 21:58.42 | Proteous_ | tmo = talk.maemo.org |
| 21:58.46 | whatever4ever | oh |
| 21:58.49 | Proteous_ | ... |
| 21:58.55 | whatever4ever | modularize |
| 21:58.57 | whatever4ever | I think |
| 21:59.43 | whatever4ever | "modular" |
| 21:59.44 | whatever4ever | is it |
| 22:00.55 | whatever4ever | I'm so excited to flash the new n900 I'm buying today with the newest stuff and have a clean phone |
| 22:01.01 | whatever4ever | I wonder if I should make it dual boot |
| 22:01.08 | whatever4ever | Proteous_: what would you do? |
| 22:01.28 | whatever4ever | there's a bootloader I think, I could put meego on there too |
| 22:02.02 | vi___ | whatever4ever: dont bother |
| 22:02.10 | vi___ | you will disappoint hard |
| 22:02.36 | freemangordon | yeah, better install ubuntu (with lxde desktop) |
| 22:02.40 | whatever4ever | MAybe it will be useful for one thing? |
| 22:03.01 | whatever4ever | freemangordon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/n900 ? |
| 22:03.04 | vi___ | useful for dragging your n900 down to the level of winphone 7? |
| 22:03.09 | whatever4ever | Instead of maemo? |
| 22:03.24 | whatever4ever | vi___: it doesn't have a single feature that works better? WOW! |
| 22:03.39 | vi___ | it barely has feature that work |
| 22:03.51 | freemangordon | no, dual-boot. And wiki entry is outdated, better use the appropriate thread on TMO |
| 22:03.52 | vi___ | they consider 'takes photo without crash' a feature |
| 22:04.11 | freemangordon | vi___, isn't it? :P |
| 22:04.43 | whatever4ever | freemangordon: but which OS will I make phone calls on??? :P |
| 22:04.53 | freemangordon | maemo |
| 22:05.09 | freemangordon | or you can try to play with ophone, NFC if it works |
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| 22:05.15 | freemangordon | *ophono |
| 22:05.28 | whatever4ever | n900 has NFC? |
| 22:06.12 | whatever4ever | freemangordon: what's ophone? |
| 22:06.36 | vi___ | bwahaaha |
| 22:06.38 | freemangordon | (no fcking clue). Otherwise I am waitong my boss ot get a gemflex for me :D |
| 22:06.39 | whatever4ever | I'm going to have to make a list for all this cool stuff you're telling me |
| 22:06.46 | vi___ | you are like the 100th person to say that |
| 22:06.57 | vi___ | NFC==no fucking clue |
| 22:07.04 | whatever4ever | LOL |
| 22:07.05 | whatever4ever | wtf |
| 22:07.33 | whatever4ever | never heard of gemflex either, you guys are privy |
| 22:08.02 | vi___ | FMG WTF is an gemflex? |
| 22:08.42 | whatever4ever | freemangordon must be asianee |
| 22:08.50 | freemangordon | NFC adaptor for non-NFC capable phones, not sure if is not a prototype still |
| 22:09.01 | whatever4ever | dude, where me get one |
| 22:09.05 | vi___ | how does it connect? |
| 22:09.10 | vi___ | to the phone? |
| 22:09.15 | whatever4ever | like TRANSFORMERS! |
| 22:09.30 | freemangordon | you put a flex cable between SIM and SIM contacts |
| 22:09.40 | vi___ | oh, wow |
| 22:09.47 | vi___ | tthat is special |
| 22:09.51 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 22:09.57 | whatever4ever | really? And the sim card still works? |
| 22:10.08 | whatever4ever | can the phone be closed too? |
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| 22:10.13 | freemangordon | don't know, still dont have one :D |
| 22:10.17 | whatever4ever | Go get one |
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| 22:10.35 | whatever4ever | okay, we're gonna make a list for me to prepare my new n900 later today: |
| 22:10.42 | vi___ | I always thought a digital compass on the debug pins on in the battery compartment would be cool |
| 22:10.51 | whatever4ever | 1) flash newest maemo 2) install ubuntu ... |
| 22:11.00 | vi___ | whatever4ever: 1.reflash EVERYTHING |
| 22:11.08 | vi___ | 2. REPARTITION |
| 22:11.19 | vi___ | 3. install backup menu |
| 22:11.29 | vi___ | 4. start removing junk |
| 22:11.36 | whatever4ever | 4: please specify |
| 22:11.39 | vi___ | 5. make your 'master backup' |
| 22:11.53 | vi___ | 6. proceed to install cool shit |
| 22:11.57 | whatever4ever | what do you parition with? |
| 22:12.17 | whatever4ever | I'm honestly going to follow these steps tonight! |
| 22:12.18 | r00t|home | vi___: do/did you know the pinout for the uart on the debug-port? because i traced/tested it a few days ago... |
| 22:12.20 | vi___ | 4==apt-get remove cherry, ovi crap, various other pieces of shite |
| 22:12.21 | freemangordon | vi___ http://www.nfcworld.com/2010/11/29/35271/dbs-starhub-and-ez-link-to-begin-singapore-nfc-pilot-in-december/ |
| 22:12.27 | vi___ | r00t|home: no |
| 22:12.46 | r00t|home | vi___: well, it's on the wiki now :D |
| 22:12.50 | vi___ | r00t|home: I have studied the schematics, however they are poorly laid out |
| 22:13.05 | vi___ | r00t|home: wtf |
| 22:13.09 | vi___ | r00t|home: link plox |
| 22:13.17 | r00t|home | vi___: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports |
| 22:13.20 | vi___ | if [ $(gconftool-2 --get /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/orientation_lock) = "false" ]; then if [ $(cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state) == "closed" ]; then |
| 22:13.29 | vi___ | oops, wrong window |
| 22:13.33 | vi___ | <shame> |
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| 22:13.41 | r00t|home | vi___: only caveat is 2.8V logic levels |
| 22:14.12 | whatever4ever | vi___: what do I use for partitioning? |
| 22:14.29 | whatever4ever | or will the install process for ubuntu cover that? |
| 22:15.34 | vi___ | and even 3.3V seem to destroy it. |
| 22:15.45 | r00t|home | "and even 3.3V seem to destroy it" |
| 22:15.50 | vi___ | did you find that out the hard way? |
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| 22:16.03 | vi___ | whatever4ever: gparted etc. |
| 22:16.05 | r00t|home | that is from DocScrutinizer |
| 22:16.42 | whatever4ever | vi___: okay, so why am I doing this? |
| 22:16.52 | r00t|home | i just verified TxD, and then found RxD by making a loopback from TxD, which is relatively safe (as long as you don't short to vbus) |
| 22:17.21 | r00t|home | vi___: i guess the best would be to find a 2.8V voltage source in the device and connect your peripherial to that |
| 22:17.40 | vi___ | r00t|home: good job mate! |
| 22:18.12 | r00t|home | it's rather simple, i've done with with many devices before... i just really wonder why nobody published that info earlier |
| 22:18.43 | vi___ | because there is only about 3 people left on the face of the earth who: |
| 22:18.50 | r00t|home | i mean, there should be people closer to nokia that should have the full pinouts... |
| 22:19.11 | vi___ | 1. still care |
| 22:19.11 | vi___ | 2. can use it |
| 22:19.12 | vi___ | r00t|home: yes |
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| 22:19.28 | DocScrutinizer | vi___: using "[ $(..." is usually a poor idea, as the cmd might return "" |
| 22:19.47 | vi___ | r00t|home: I was rather hoping some disgruntled nokian would dump some source code |
| 22:20.55 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: been meaning to ask... does the n900 really not have a battery buffered rtc? because it looses the clock when swapping batteries... |
| 22:21.10 | DocScrutinizer | it has |
| 22:21.20 | r00t|home | so my battery must be dead? |
| 22:21.26 | r00t|home | *buffer battery |
| 22:21.45 | DocScrutinizer | it also has a shitty piece of crap backup LiIon-MG cell that breaks after 12 months |
| 22:21.47 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer: yes, like the SED knowledge I forgot to use [] brackets as I have not done any scripting for some weeks. |
| 22:21.47 | vi___ | r00t|home: mine does not |
| 22:21.47 | vi___ | r00t|home: your internal battery is stuffed |
| 22:21.47 | vi___ | r00t|home: on saying that my first n900 was like that for a while, then it started remembering |
| 22:22.10 | freemangordon | r00t|home, it is not only yours, AFAIK all n900 has dead clock backup battery ny now |
| 22:22.11 | r00t|home | well, it's a used one |
| 22:22.13 | freemangordon | *by |
| 22:22.20 | r00t|home | have swaps been done? |
| 22:22.21 | whatever4ever | DocScrutinizer: I'm getting a new n900, what do you think of these steps that vi___ came up with: 1.reflash EVERYTHING 2. REPARTITION 3. install backup menu 4. start removing junk 4: please specify 5. make your 'master backup' 6. proceed to install cool shit |
| 22:22.26 | vi___ | not mine :) |
| 22:22.29 | nox- | just run gpsrecorder (i think that was the one), it sets the clock from gps |
| 22:22.32 | joga | heh so that's why it does that...I kinda wondered about that a while ago |
| 22:22.33 | freemangordon | lucky you |
| 22:22.46 | freemangordon | or it is from your GF's 5800 :P |
| 22:22.58 | r00t|home | nox-: i do that, but it's annoying... i bought some spare batteries and swap them regulary... and gps only works outside |
| 22:23.09 | nox- | *nod* |
| 22:23.20 | vi___ | heh, she got it back when I bought some SCUDS |
| 22:23.32 | r00t|home | so, has replacing the buffer battery been considered/done? |
| 22:24.00 | DocScrutinizer | r00t|home: yes, some users swapped the shitty Sanyo(?) battery for a capacitive type, or even a simple goldcap |
| 22:24.02 | vi___ | r00t|home: you do know about the battery 'hot swap' kludge right? |
| 22:24.07 | hurrian | someone here replaced it with a capacitor. |
| 22:24.21 | DocScrutinizer | Seiko? |
| 22:24.29 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: yeah, i'd go the capactor route... |
| 22:24.57 | freemangordon | yeah, sounds sane |
| 22:24.58 | vi___ | r00t|home: plug phonw into power source, stop bme, quickly swap battery, start bme. |
| 22:24.58 | r00t|home | vi___: i don't have a power source, that's why i swap the batteries in the first place... |
| 22:25.01 | vi___ | job done |
| 22:25.06 | whatever4ever | DocScrutinizer did you ever finish the battery swapping without shutting off the device? |
| 22:25.07 | vi___ | aaaah |
| 22:25.22 | DocScrutinizer | whatever4ever: huh? sure, pal |
| 22:25.35 | vi___ | r00t|home: well you are pretty much fooked then |
| 22:25.42 | r00t|home | can you link to any docs on the battery replacement? |
| 22:25.51 | vi___ | however changing for a CAP woud be sweet |
| 22:25.54 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG been doing it like 3 times a day, for yeras :-D |
| 22:26.16 | whatever4ever | DocScrutinizer got a link for that? I switch out my battery at least 2x per day. I'd love to not restart my phone each time |
| 22:26.37 | DocScrutinizer | mompls |
| 22:26.45 | whatever4ever | ? |
| 22:26.52 | vi___ | whatever4ever: plug phone into power source, stop bme, quickly swap battery, start bme. |
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| 22:27.23 | whatever4ever | oh, I thought there was some method where you could do it without another power source. Okay |
| 22:27.24 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734&page=2 |
| 22:27.35 | whatever4ever | I mean, using the internal battery to suspect to ram or something |
| 22:27.42 | whatever4ever | suspend* |
| 22:27.46 | vi___ | whatever4ever: no chance |
| 22:27.48 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 22:28.07 | vi___ | whatever4ever: internal battery is just about enough for RTC chip |
| 22:28.13 | whatever4ever | ah okay |
| 22:28.25 | vi___ | until it breaks |
| 22:28.32 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 22:28.35 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 22:28.44 | whatever4ever | So when I reload this new n900 use CSSU for sure, right? |
| 22:29.03 | DocScrutinizer | rephrase please |
| 22:29.20 | whatever4ever | I'm getting a new n900 later today. I'm writing a course of action for setting it up the best I can |
| 22:29.32 | whatever4ever | reflashing, partitioning for ubuntu and other cool things I haven't tried, etc |
| 22:29.41 | whatever4ever | planning which software to load. |
| 22:30.17 | DocScrutinizer | I don't see use of ubuntu repartitioning, but well... |
| 22:30.18 | teotwaki_ | You're seriously in #maemo asking for help to put Ubuntu on an N900? |
| 22:30.28 | whatever4ever | I'm totally not |
| 22:30.46 | whatever4ever | I'm in #maemo asking people for setup ideas for the n900 |
| 22:30.57 | whatever4ever | #maemo is my best source for n900 stuff |
| 22:31.02 | vi___ | repartition to increase /opt to 4GB or there abouts |
| 22:31.06 | hurrian | you don't have a spare microsd on hand? |
| 22:31.09 | DocScrutinizer | I'd opt for running $UBUNTU_OR_WHATEVER in a chroot any day |
| 22:31.12 | whatever4ever | hurrian: I do |
| 22:31.31 | vi___ | also a 2.5GB for chroots |
| 22:31.43 | hurrian | uhh, just make one partition (mmcblk0p4) for doing whatever with, make it ~4GB |
| 22:31.45 | whatever4ever | DocScrutinizer so you see no reason to run anything except for maemo CSSU? |
| 22:31.55 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 22:32.09 | vi___ | whatever4ever: the only ubunu you need is called easy debian |
| 22:32.22 | whatever4ever | was just following freemangordon's advice |
| 22:32.33 | vi___ | it has ALL the features of ubuntu AND all the features of maemo |
| 22:32.36 | whatever4ever | I assumed there were some badass things you could do with ubuntu on n900 that you couldn't with other stuff. |
| 22:32.40 | DocScrutinizer | no other OS will yield any semi-decent phone functionality, nor proper standby times |
| 22:32.53 | whatever4ever | What about speed? |
| 22:32.59 | teotwaki_ | ha |
| 22:33.33 | DocScrutinizer | (badass things) HAHAHA |
| 22:33.36 | DocScrutinizer | sorry |
| 22:33.37 | whatever4ever | ^ :) |
| 22:33.40 | teotwaki_ | you really believe apps written for x86, then automagically ported (meaning, fixed until it compiled) to ARM is going to be any kind of good? |
| 22:33.40 | vi___ | whatever4ever: chroot is probably marginally slower than native install when run from its own partitiom |
| 22:34.11 | whatever4ever | I didn't know how much/any of ubuntu was rewritten for ARM |
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| 22:34.14 | vi___ | teotwaki_: at least you have access to these applications |
| 22:34.24 | DocScrutinizer | vi___: chroot is not a cpu cycle slower than native |
| 22:34.34 | vi___ | no? |
| 22:34.39 | hurrian | whatever4ever, Unity is ridiculously slow on the N900 |
| 22:34.41 | DocScrutinizer | why should it? |
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| 22:34.53 | teotwaki_ | sure, but it's not as if they're going to be faster than purpose-written ARM apps. |
| 22:35.02 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer: filesystem within a filesystem? |
| 22:35.04 | DocScrutinizer | for sure not |
| 22:35.15 | DocScrutinizer | vi___: that's not what a chroot does |
| 22:35.17 | jacekowski | vi___: it's not a filesystem within filesystem |
| 22:35.22 | hurrian | iirc chroots are as fast as native, which is the point. you do lose some RAM for the host system, but we're always low on ram anyway |
| 22:35.26 | jacekowski | vi___: it's just a dumb path rewrite |
| 22:35.29 | vi___ | teotwaki_: no, however if I want to use rawstudio or audacity what are my choices? |
| 22:35.30 | teotwaki_ | vi___: even if that were the case, which it isn't, filesystem only impacts IO times. |
| 22:35.38 | hurrian | you're still executing binaries without emulation |
| 22:35.41 | teotwaki_ | vi___: you're off topic. |
| 22:35.57 | vi___ | I am on 2 topics, one with you. one with doc |
| 22:36.03 | jacekowski | vi___: where apps in chroot when they say they want to go to / kernel knows it's /chroot/ |
| 22:36.17 | jacekowski | vi___: and that's all it is |
| 22:36.19 | vi___ | I shall concede the point to doc because I do not know for fact |
| 22:36.20 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 22:36.31 | jacekowski | vi___: rewriting paths for all filesystem accesses |
| 22:37.06 | jacekowski | vi___: that's why it's so easy to escape from chroot |
| 22:37.12 | whatever4ever | So any of you try the NFC dongle solutions? |
| 22:37.25 | vi___ | a no fucking clue dongle? |
| 22:37.30 | whatever4ever | hahah, no |
| 22:37.30 | vi___ | gtg |
| 22:37.31 | vi___ | bb |
| 22:37.33 | whatever4ever | k adios |
| 22:38.02 | whatever4ever | OTR for pidgin has been fucked for n900 for a long time now. How hard would it be for me to fix it? |
| 22:38.05 | DocScrutinizer | needs to pull his NFC dongle |
| 22:38.30 | merlin1991 | double meanings ftw |
| 22:38.42 | DocScrutinizer | moo merlin1991 |
| 22:38.43 | whatever4ever | "pull it"? |
| 22:38.58 | DocScrutinizer | pull the plug |
| 22:39.22 | whatever4ever | it doesn't work? |
| 22:39.44 | whatever4ever | my n900 gets so messy |
| 22:39.45 | teotwaki_ | DocScrutinizer: ever thought about building a makerbot? Or other kind of 3d printer? |
| 22:40.04 | whatever4ever | How do you backup the root file system? like /home/.* |
| 22:40.12 | whatever4ever | just rsync over wifi? |
| 22:40.27 | merlin1991 | rsync over usb |
| 22:40.28 | teotwaki_ | that's not root |
| 22:40.30 | DocScrutinizer | thought: yes. Done: nope. Planning: maybe |
| 22:40.54 | DocScrutinizer | whatever4ever: backupmenu |
| 22:40.58 | teotwaki_ | DocScrutinizer: I looked at the price of the last makerbots... $1.7k is quite a bit of money |
| 22:40.58 | DocScrutinizer | aka BM |
| 22:40.58 | whatever4ever | teotwaki aren't we basically running as root |
| 22:41.20 | teotwaki_ | nope, why? |
| 22:41.29 | whatever4ever | wholy shit, BM is sick |
| 22:41.56 | DocScrutinizer | .oO(???) |
| 22:42.48 | DocScrutinizer | backup of /home/ however is done once per day via rsync here, by a cronjob |
| 22:42.52 | DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools |
| 22:42.52 | infobot | well, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 22:43.07 | whatever4ever | over wifi? |
| 22:43.11 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 22:43.20 | whatever4ever | i.e. never 3g, I'm guessing, |
| 22:43.25 | DocScrutinizer | goes unnoticed |
| 22:43.51 | whatever4ever | DocScrutinizer what kind of physical security do you use? For example, if the n900 gets stolen or "borrowed"? |
| 22:44.07 | DocScrutinizer | cluebat |
| 22:44.08 | whatever4ever | the iphone seems lightyears ahead for this |
| 22:44.24 | whatever4ever | lol |
| 22:44.43 | DocScrutinizer | "from my cold dead hands!" |
| 22:45.21 | whatever4ever | really? |
| 22:45.25 | whatever4ever | :( |
| 22:45.44 | DocScrutinizer | ?? |
| 22:45.54 | whatever4ever | I'd like all my shit to be automatically backed up on my server so I could throw my n900 into a lake and feel good about it |
| 22:45.54 | DocScrutinizer | you planned to borrow my N900? ;-P |
| 22:46.03 | whatever4ever | you can do that with most modern smartphones |
| 22:46.07 | whatever4ever | "cloud" "cloud" etc |
| 22:46.27 | teotwaki_ | whatever4ever: the n900 is 3 years old. |
| 22:46.43 | DocScrutinizer | as mentioned above, the scriptie on ~jrtools does a backup each day |
| 22:47.30 | whatever4ever | my n900 tonight will be 0 years old :) |
| 22:47.36 | DocScrutinizer | unless I'm away from my home WLAN, in which case I don't want indiscriminate backups over GPRS done |
| 22:47.47 | whatever4ever | and I'll sell the old one or turn it into some sort of crazy sleeper |
| 22:48.39 | teotwaki_ | actually, your new n900 will be 3 years old as well |
| 22:48.56 | teotwaki_ | I don't think there were many production runs during 2010. |
| 22:49.00 | whatever4ever | yours is 4B years old. WHEN WERE ITS MOLECULES MADE? |
| 22:49.31 | whatever4ever | ~14B years old according to BB experts like DocScrutinizer |
| 22:50.51 | teotwaki_ | you bore me. |
| 22:51.01 | whatever4ever | speak for yourself |
| 22:51.13 | DocScrutinizer | SHHH! |
| 22:51.17 | teotwaki_ | that's what I'm doing. |
| 22:51.53 | whatever4ever | :) |
| 22:53.02 | teotwaki_ | DocScrutinizer: I'm tempted by a 3d printer, but frankly, I wouldn't know where to store it. |
| 22:53.31 | teotwaki_ | DocScrutinizer: my office is cluttered as it is, with all the laptops, desktops and books. |
| 22:53.46 | DocScrutinizer | the class of 3D printers I'd be interested in is not only *huge* but also *expensive* |
| 22:53.57 | DocScrutinizer | not a silly 1.7k bucks |
| 22:54.13 | whatever4ever | how much? And what will you print with one? |
| 22:54.16 | teotwaki_ | so I take it you finally found a job? |
| 22:54.19 | teotwaki_ | :P |
| 22:55.39 | teotwaki_ | whatever4ever: anything, that's the point. 3D printers are to the physical world what programming languages are to computers. They're tools enabling creativity. |
| 22:55.54 | whatever4ever | they can't do anything yet |
| 22:56.00 | teotwaki_ | eh? |
| 22:56.09 | DocScrutinizer | what to print with a 3D printer? e.g the white thing in http://youtu.be/WM94%5fR5eKcc |
| 22:56.13 | whatever4ever | the question was meant to provoke a response about what he thinks the most interesting they can actually print |
| 22:56.29 | teotwaki_ | and that question is nonsensical. |
| 22:56.53 | teotwaki_ | Do you really believe the first people who thought about buying a computer to develop software could envisage the possibilities? |
| 22:57.12 | whatever4ever | I'm curious what he wasnt to use it for, from the get-go |
| 22:57.19 | whatever4ever | I realize the ridiculous posibilities |
| 22:57.28 | whatever4ever | "Dude, did you download the new audi on the pirate bay today?" |
| 22:57.40 | teotwaki_ | Fuck the pirate bay. |
| 22:57.50 | whatever4ever | "Yeah, this R8 has spyware in it, though" |
| 22:58.05 | teotwaki_ | "I committed a new wing design on github, lemme know how it flies." |
| 22:58.13 | whatever4ever | lol |
| 22:58.23 | whatever4ever | "my date is here and the R8 is still printing" |
| 22:58.50 | teotwaki_ | 3d printers and date? |
| 22:58.51 | whatever4ever | "pause it and print a knife to stab her tires and delay her" |
| 22:58.51 | teotwaki_ | right. |
| 22:59.07 | whatever4ever | :) |
| 22:59.13 | teotwaki_ | anyway, talking of social life, girlfriend is nagging for sleep -- i'm out. |
| 22:59.19 | whatever4ever | A few geeks in this world are huge players |
| 22:59.24 | whatever4ever | I'm more player than geek these days |
| 22:59.29 | whatever4ever | and it probably shows, to other geeks |
| 22:59.29 | teotwaki_ | sure you are. |
| 22:59.35 | whatever4ever | :) |
| 22:59.51 | whatever4ever | DocScrutinizer hows astrophysics? |
| 23:00.10 | whatever4ever | What part were you in? experimental, computer simulation...? |
| 23:00.13 | DocScrutinizer | black mater still a mystery |
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| 23:02.30 | DocScrutinizer | afk |
| 23:09.25 | whatever4ever | DocScrutinizer well, there was a great article this week, more info on the huge landslide against it. About the lack of dark matter in our universe |
| 23:09.28 | whatever4ever | in comparison |
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