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| 15:44.41 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ -- N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
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| 15:44.58 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 15:46.09 | DocScrutinizer | ~attack StyXman |
| 15:46.09 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing StyXman |
| 15:48.21 | DocScrutinizer | ~dream |
| 15:48.21 | infobot | ACTION rolls over and envisions being hosted on the MCR cluster in LLNL with a load of 1 |
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| 15:55.27 | chem|st | ~slap infobot |
| 15:55.27 | infobot | ACTION slaps infobot, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 15:55.37 | chem|st | ~vomit |
| 15:55.37 | infobot | ACTION vomits on chem|st |
| 15:55.54 | chem|st | ~feed |
| 15:56.08 | chem|st | ~eat |
| 15:56.21 | chem|st | k I stopp... |
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| 15:58.34 | DocScrutinizer | anyway |
| 15:58.36 | DocScrutinizer | ~cssu |
| 15:58.37 | infobot | [cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
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| 17:47.14 | chem|st | this fscking mapsloader |
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| 18:01.31 | jean_brat | hi i have some issue with my n900. i installed few apps like TI calc and VNC viewer on my n900 after that.. my battery drains very fast and the charger will not charge my phone |
| 18:01.49 | jean_brat | i had to use other phone to charge the n900 battery |
| 18:02.22 | jean_brat | charge will not remain for even 20 mins with all application turned off |
| 18:03.43 | chem|st | jean_brat: what is the complete list you installed? what is your network 2G/3G/dual? where are you? |
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| 18:06.14 | jean_brat | i used VNC quite intensively for about 20 mins. i had some theme files (black and white) which was installed long ago |
| 18:06.16 | jean_brat | thats all |
| 18:06.37 | jean_brat | everything else is factory settings |
| 18:07.03 | jean_brat | 3G gsm network |
| 18:07.46 | jean_brat | now i use my old 5800 to charge n900 bl5j |
| 18:08.39 | jean_brat | why does phone need to be booted first to charge the battery in n900? |
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| 18:20.32 | chem|st | 3g is not gsm network, vnc for 20minutes might eat your battery if already used for a while, depends on the server settings too |
| 18:21.41 | chem|st | bad UMTS reception drains my battery in 6-10 hours if the device is idle and not connected to the internet |
| 18:22.07 | chem|st | same for gsm+wifi online with skype... |
| 18:23.15 | chem|st | jean_brat: are you on latest firmware with cssu? |
| 18:23.20 | jean_brat | now it cant stay on for even 20 mins with all turned off. the same batt stays for a day in my 5800 |
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| 18:24.05 | chem|st | is the device responsive? |
| 18:24.09 | jean_brat | i don remember the version but a month ago i updated all the updates prompted by software updated |
| 18:24.16 | jean_brat | l for #n900 users. Get official support at #maemo or #meego. |
| 18:24.17 | jean_brat | * Topic for #n900 set by Tscheesy!~quassel@alfred.neversfelde.de at Tue Dec 21 22:35:01 2010 |
| 18:24.29 | jean_brat | *software updater |
| 18:24.53 | chem|st | jean_brat: should be fine |
| 18:25.28 | chem|st | look into what is running in the background |
| 18:27.47 | jean_brat | give me min. let me check |
| 18:27.54 | jean_brat | ps -aef? |
| 18:29.30 | chem|st | more like top or htop |
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| 18:40.30 | jean_brat | hmm i cant cat it to a file lile top >> filename.txt |
| 18:42.05 | spark666 | its there an option like .Xdeafults for setting colors in default terminal emulator? |
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| 18:46.27 | DocScrutinizer52 | jean_brat: n900 charges just fine as longs as your rootfs is ok |
| 18:46.41 | DocScrutinizer52 | rootfs+systen on there |
| 18:48.03 | DocScrutinizer52 | jean_brat: you just have to use proper fastcharger. PC USB host for powersupply won't work |
| 18:49.29 | DocScrutinizer52 | Nokia built n900 absolutely compliant to USB specs, so it mustn't draw more than 100mA from a PC until USB enum which needs CPU/system up+running |
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| 18:56.43 | jean_brat | what does rootfs has to do with charging? |
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| 19:03.26 | Sicelo | spark666: colors in xterm are in gconf :P |
| 19:04.12 | spark666 | Sicelo: tnx mate |
| 19:04.37 | spark666 | its there gconf-editor available for maemo? |
| 19:04.45 | jean_brat | DocScrutinizer, 77% used out of 227 MB |
| 19:05.38 | Sicelo | jean_brat: actually 'all' phones need the OS to be 'alive' to some extent for charging. what do you think shows the charging notification bars? you might have the free space, but if what's on there is borked, you're out of luck |
| 19:06.10 | Sicelo | spark666: it's builtin .. gconftool-2. i think there's also a gui.. never tried it |
| 19:06.14 | jean_brat | ironic nokia did not run power aware simulation on N900 properly |
| 19:06.44 | spark666 | Sicelo: ill take a look now :D ty |
| 19:09.03 | Sicelo | btw, you can only set background and foreground colors .. the key is /apps/osso/xterm |
| 19:10.24 | spark666 | ahhh...that i can change it straight from the settings,i was looking for colors palette :P |
| 19:12.16 | MohammadAG | Sicelo, DocScrutinizer knows his systems well :P |
| 19:12.33 | MohammadAG | oh nvm, you were talking to jean |
| 19:13.26 | MohammadAG | jean_brat> what does rootfs has to do with charging? |
| 19:13.37 | MohammadAG | bme does the charging, bme is /sbin/bme, /sbin is on rootfs |
| 19:13.50 | Sicelo | ;) |
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| 19:22.15 | DocScrutinizer52 | indeed |
| 19:24.28 | DocScrutinizer52 | meh, seems he's gone |
| 19:24.59 | MrPingu | What happened with docscrutinizer51? :P |
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| 19:40.04 | Estel^ | Hello Maemo |
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| 19:42.42 | Estel^ | Could anyone knowledgeable why package, that got upgraded after years of silence (luxus - widget showing LUX values of ambient light and/or EV exposure correction to setup in DLRS) requires to update libtelepathy-qt4? |
| 19:43.01 | Estel^ | http://maemo.org/packages/view/luxus |
| 19:43.35 | Estel^ | it also require experimental libqtm-12 which isn't very fancy, but at least justified in changelog |
| 19:44.02 | Estel^ | as for libtelepathy-qt4, I don't see reason. libqtm-12 require it? |
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| 19:44.23 | Estel^ | also, who is pushing updates to libcurl3? it's core Maemo component |
| 19:45.05 | Estel^ | is there a way to check it from package interface? it list only maintainer, but for sure it wasn't uploaded by maintainer |
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| 19:54.24 | MohammadAG | how do I get an application to core-dump? |
| 19:55.12 | Proteous | edit it's memory while it's running |
| 19:55.23 | freemangordon | kill SIGSEGV ? |
| 19:56.40 | MrPingu | Good question estel, I noticed it too |
| 19:56.43 | MohammadAG | freemangordon, doesn't core-dump on maemo afaik? |
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| 19:57.38 | Estel^ | MrPingu, after recent events with libxau6 I'm afraid to update, and rightly so. |
| 19:57.41 | Estel^ | probably |
| 19:58.06 | Estel^ | as for Luxus, it was uploadd by maintainer it seems, so I contacted him, why being so bold in dependencies :P |
| 19:58.13 | Estel^ | but libcurl3 is a mystery |
| 19:58.43 | Estel^ | version from march was working AFAICT, I updated it and didn't noticed any regressions |
| 19:58.50 | MohammadAG | I contacted X-Fade about libaux6 |
| 19:58.53 | freemangordon | MohammadAG, would you rephrase your question |
| 19:58.54 | MohammadAG | hopefully he should react to it |
| 19:59.11 | MohammadAG | freemangordon, when an application segfaults, it usually creates a core-dump, but it doesn't on maemo |
| 19:59.16 | Estel^ | Pali checked package and it got same hash as upstream, only compilation flags were set |
| 19:59.22 | freemangordon | yoiu should install rich-core |
| 19:59.35 | MohammadAG | freemangordon, so on a stock system it's impossible? |
| 19:59.37 | freemangordon | sp-rich-core |
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| 19:59.52 | Estel^ | MohammadAG, yea, I created bug, as libxau6 was detected as conflicting by builder, but landed in repos nevertheless |
| 20:00.27 | freemangordon | MohammadAG, it is possible, you just need to install sp-rich-core from SDK repo |
| 20:00.54 | freemangordon | if by "stock" you mean after ferlash, then yes, it is not possible |
| 20:01.03 | freemangordon | *reflash |
| 20:01.07 | MohammadAG | freemangordon, I was planning to have a handler for SIGSEGV to core-dump and attach the file to an email |
| 20:01.33 | MohammadAG | right now my handler sends a notification to the user that "Sociality has crashed. Please file a bug report to myemailhere" |
| 20:01.34 | Estel^ | Niel answered, that builder doesn't "think" it's fatal error |
| 20:01.55 | MohammadAG | clicking it relaunches sociality which opens a mailto: link |
| 20:02.42 | ShadowJK | Weird, someone called and I had bt handsfree, worked perfectly a few seconds, up to 30s at a time, then I got a loiud buzz |
| 20:02.46 | Estel^ | he asked if someone knowledgeable could help altering 'buildme' to treat such errors as fatal |
| 20:02.48 | freemangordon | MohammadAG, I think coredumps should be enabled in kernel |
| 20:02.58 | Estel^ | I forwarded it to Maemo mailing list, but no one answered. |
| 20:03.00 | freemangordon | somewhere in /proc |
| 20:03.07 | MohammadAG | meh |
| 20:03.24 | ShadowJK | a2dp on same device works perfectly hours at a time |
| 20:03.40 | Estel^ | ShadowJK, You're on stovk kernel, right? |
| 20:03.41 | ShadowJK | Odd thing, with bt hf there was no echo, but without bt hf I heard my voice a second or two delayed. Allegedly this is the "lumia echo", when other person uses a lumia |
| 20:03.41 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/30NPszf1 |
| 20:03.49 | ShadowJK | Estel^; yep |
| 20:03.54 | MohammadAG | freemangordon, one more thing, is it possible to get the last method called? |
| 20:05.31 | Estel^ | freemangordon, ShadowJK problem with bluetooth headset is similar to that one reported in KP thread |
| 20:05.39 | Estel^ | yet, ShadowJK is sitting on stock kernel |
| 20:05.52 | Estel^ | it may mean, that it's unrelated to KP after all |
| 20:06.04 | freemangordon | MohammadAG, afaik if you handle SIGSEGV then no coredump will be produced. May be you should re-raise the signal |
| 20:06.14 | MohammadAG | heh, the amount of code you can gather from pastebin's recents is amazing |
| 20:06.15 | Estel^ | I mean first problem, not echo |
| 20:06.30 | MohammadAG | freemangordon, without handling it I simply get "Segmentation fault" |
| 20:06.35 | freemangordon | Estel^, there is some nasty bug on omap1 kernel, which I resolved by chance with bt-mice patch |
| 20:07.04 | freemangordon | MohammadAG, if you have coredupmps enabled you will have "segmentation fault, core dumped" :) |
| 20:07.53 | MohammadAG | I know :p |
| 20:08.32 | ShadowJK | is bt-mice patch in KP? |
| 20:09.37 | Estel^ | ShadowJK, of course, but only for HID devices aa for now |
| 20:09.48 | freemangordon | ShadowJK, it is, but in KP50 i modified it so it to be applied only for HID devices. There were several reports that otherwise some handsfree devices stop after a while |
| 20:09.55 | Estel^ | cause it triggers buggy implementation in some BT headphones |
| 20:10.10 | Estel^ | but, it seems that other headphones require it |
| 20:10.24 | freemangordon | yeah, No 22 |
| 20:11.40 | ShadowJK | Ooh, can you roll a kernel with it enabled for everything? |
| 20:12.02 | freemangordon | to roll it as in? |
| 20:12.56 | freemangordon | if enabled for all devices it causes regression compared to stock kernel |
| 20:13.35 | freemangordon | hmm, you can try to use BT .ko from KP49 |
| 20:13.39 | MohammadAG | freemangordon, as in a binary for him |
| 20:13.47 | ShadowJK | I mean as in make a version with it enabled just to test with my bthf device? |
| 20:14.21 | MohammadAG | now where are those notes on installing Harmattan and Fremantle in scratchbox... |
| 20:14.42 | freemangordon | if it works with KP49 but not with KP50 then I can bet that patch midification is th reason |
| 20:15.23 | freemangordon | ShadowJK, can you compile the kernel by yourself? |
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| 20:17.15 | ShadowJK | no I don't have a setup for that |
| 20:17.44 | Estel^ | I proposed to allow messing with it via sysfs entry if possible. I doubt someone is using 2 different bluetooth headsets at the same time :P |
| 20:17.47 | freemangordon | hmm, ok, I will compile it an will upload the module, give me a couple of minutes |
| 20:18.28 | freemangordon | Estel^, that could work for the next version, which won't be out in a week or two :) |
| 20:18.50 | ShadowJK | Do you know any details about the bug("fix")? |
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| 20:20.30 | freemangordon | ShadowJK, it is my patch, not a backport, but TBH I have NFC why it works |
| 20:20.38 | freemangordon | is ashamed |
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| 20:21.46 | chem|st | points at the far left corner of the channel |
| 20:22.31 | freemangordon | :) |
| 20:22.32 | ShadowJK | what does it do? |
| 20:24.34 | freemangordon | adds an additional check if the connection is not in power-save mode, better look at the patch yourself, it is a one-liner |
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| 20:26.08 | chem|st | is anyone aware of how to download nokia map files into MyDocs again? |
| 20:26.24 | chem|st | killed mine and want the tiles pre downloaded |
| 20:26.32 | freemangordon | ovisuite does not work anymore? |
| 20:26.51 | chem|st | nope not for me |
| 20:27.32 | chem|st | pc suite points to a maps webpage and nokiasuite refuses to work (win7 64b) |
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| 20:27.57 | chem|st | on xp pc-suite dies at 99% download |
| 20:28.18 | freemangordon | you should use ovisuite on xp |
| 20:28.41 | chem|st | cannot install... have no space left on c at work |
| 20:28.49 | freemangordon | aah |
| 20:28.59 | chem|st | hmm I think my netbook still has xp on it... |
| 20:29.04 | chem|st | lmc |
| 20:29.13 | freemangordon | did you try "compat" mode under win7? |
| 20:29.48 | chem|st | maybe that was how I did it last time (2 years ago), it never worked on my home nor my office pc afair |
| 20:30.10 | chem|st | no the suite works flawless apart of the maps thing |
| 20:30.36 | freemangordon | could be something with usb drivers then |
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| 20:35.44 | ShadowJK | hm, powesaving. If I disable bt powersaving... |
| 20:36.41 | freemangordon | ShadowJK, here http://dox.bg/files/dw?a=dcb2ef99a6 |
| 20:37.03 | freemangordon | didn't tried it, be prepared to flash omap1 kernel |
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| 20:37.35 | freemangordon | ShadowJK, it has somthing to do with BT sniff mode |
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| 20:39.55 | chem|st | (in)stalling |
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| 20:41.09 | ShadowJK | "omap1" kernel? |
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| 20:41.21 | freemangordon | stock kernel |
| 20:41.33 | iBorg | . |
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| 20:42.02 | freemangordon | if something goes wring and you cannot boot to maemo using KP, then you can flash only stack kernel |
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| 20:42.08 | freemangordon | *wrong |
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| 20:42.31 | ShadowJK | you mean this is compiled against stock kernel, or "be prepared to reflash if it bootloops"? :) |
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| 20:42.43 | freemangordon | be prepared to reflash if it bootloops |
| 20:43.32 | freemangordon | I mean there is no need to reflash the whole rootfs if it bootloops, just stock kernel is enough |
| 20:44.09 | chem|st | starts without even a loadingscreen |
| 20:44.46 | ShadowJK | this is against KP50? |
| 20:44.53 | freemangordon | yep |
| 20:45.32 | Estel^ | erm, emergency request - I got a call during IRC via xchat, and now, after call, my screen is stuck into something like "half-portrair" |
| 20:45.58 | chem|st | ever since 2.0x I was betatesting their alpha shit... noteing all the idiotic shit they do... they reply in a indien-callcenter manner and nothing changes ever... |
| 20:45.59 | Estel^ | things rotate properly, but only 2/3 of screen is occupied, even in landscape |
| 20:46.20 | chem|st | ouch |
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| 20:46.22 | Estel^ | it just like orfientation in landscape changed to 480x800 instead of 800x480 |
| 20:46.51 | Estel^ | nothing seems to work when I try to restore it, but I would like to help debugging this issue |
| 20:47.11 | Estel^ | freemangordon or any other CSSU dev, what should I do beside taking screenahot? |
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| 20:47.32 | freemangordon | Estel^, does it rotate? |
| 20:48.03 | freemangordon | something in syslog? |
| 20:48.07 | Estel^ | widgets reorganize, but screen stays using only 480 pixels of width |
| 20:48.28 | Estel^ | I.e. it's stuck in "portrait-landscape", hard to describe |
| 20:49.02 | freemangordon | ok, open a terminal (or better ssh session) |
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| 20:49.14 | Estel^ | device acknowledge rotation, widgets reorganize and programs too, but screen doesn't rotate, emr, physically |
| 20:49.49 | Estel^ | yea, ssh session I'm opening, as Isee only 2/3 of every irc line :P |
| 20:50.16 | ShadowJK | powersaving disabled, 100mA drain in idle heh. Let's try if hf works |
| 20:50.40 | Estel^ | ssh estabilised |
| 20:53.23 | ShadowJK | (currently at work s cant really risk installing stuffa) |
| 20:54.15 | freemangordon | ShadowJK, the worst thing that could happen if nonfunctional BT |
| 20:54.34 | freemangordon | *is |
| 20:54.49 | ShadowJK | Ok, disabling park, sniff, hold worked, talked over a minute |
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| 21:26.40 | ShadowJK | Hey a stock-kernel fix for this would be a script to switch off sniff,park,hold on incoming/outgoing call, heh. |
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| 21:29.47 | ShadowJK | I disabled everything except rswitch |
| 21:30.25 | ShadowJK | So I didn't specifically test sniff in isolation |
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| 21:34.49 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: ShadowJK: isn't it quite simple? you just rename bt.ko to bt:with_patch.ko, then you modprobe either one or the other |
| 21:35.21 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, nah, you cannot rmmod bt.ko |
| 21:35.26 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I's say you *should NOT* install fremantle and HARM in same scratchbox |
| 21:36.50 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: even if you can't modprobe -r, you still can make it pick one of both at boot time |
| 21:37.06 | freemangordon | MohammadAG: and I will agree with DocScrutinizer in case you're going to use that for CSSU builds |
| 21:40.11 | MohammadAG | and a proposed solution is? |
| 21:40.38 | MohammadAG | can I have two scratchbox installations? |
| 21:40.48 | freemangordon | use vmware images |
| 21:41.40 | MohammadAG | performance hit |
| 21:41.50 | MohammadAG | but sure, Fremantle only it is... |
| 21:42.56 | freemangordon | MohammadAG, not such a big performance hit, that is what I am using, an dcan tell you that is fully usable |
| 21:43.26 | freemangordon | well, 4 phenom cores, but still |
| 21:45.58 | chem|st | for some reason MyDocs locked up read-only three times so far... |
| 21:46.20 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yes, basically you can have multiple SB instances |
| 21:46.43 | DocScrutinizer | the main problem with SB is the "hardcoded" patch /scratchbox |
| 21:47.13 | chem|st | uh scratchbox is the devil in disguise |
| 21:47.15 | DocScrutinizer | I guess there's an 'unknown' cmdline option for installer, to install it to anywhere else |
| 21:47.43 | DocScrutinizer | s/patch/path/ |
| 21:47.46 | Estel_ | quick off-topic lame question, who remember command to check hardware revision + another one to check already installed variant (global, UK, USA, asia etc) of N900? |
| 21:48.10 | DocScrutinizer | how's that OT? |
| 21:48.27 | Estel_ | I convinced my mother to sell her xperia x10 mini pro and buy N900 (sic!), found a 120$ used in ideeal condition here in Poland |
| 21:48.38 | Estel_ | off-topic from scratchbox talk :P |
| 21:49.20 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: sysinfo-tool -l |
| 21:49.26 | Estel_ | It got UK style plug charger, so its probably UK variant, but I would like to be sure |
| 21:49.28 | Estel_ | thanks |
| 21:49.58 | DocScrutinizer | sysinfo-tool -g /component/hw-build |
| 21:50.16 | chem|st | Estel_: a used device I would reflash vanilla anyways |
| 21:50.25 | chem|st | just to be sure |
| 21:50.26 | DocScrutinizer | any day |
| 21:50.34 | Estel_ | I'll reflash it vanilla of course |
| 21:50.48 | DocScrutinizer | btw there's simply no hw-variants, modulo the keymat |
| 21:51.03 | chem|st | Estel_: you do not need to know anything but what to flash |
| 21:51.18 | DocScrutinizer | localized hw variants I mean |
| 21:51.31 | Estel_ | global versus UK/etc variants for fiasco doesn't matter? |
| 21:51.37 | chem|st | it's just a "shipped with" condition |
| 21:51.46 | Estel_ | ah I see |
| 21:52.01 | chem|st | uk had limitations afair |
| 21:52.19 | chem|st | like radio and stuff |
| 21:52.36 | chem|st | fmtx |
| 21:52.40 | Estel_ | well, since bought N900 had to reflash only once, on day four, when I screwed multiboot item (not full reflash, just kernel) so I always though it does matter |
| 21:53.23 | Estel_ | so all those things like fmtx unblock were written for people, who could just reflash to have it unlocked?! |
| 21:53.32 | chem|st | no just make sure you flash rootfs AND emmc at the same time without reboot |
| 21:53.53 | Estel_ | yea, remember about that |
| 21:54.14 | chem|st | I never needed any unlock for fmtx |
| 21:54.19 | chem|st | but boost |
| 21:54.59 | Estel_ | BTW, yesterday, I was fixing one N900 with USBmport torn away with pads - I used testpads. as for data+/data-, only one lacking element is common mode choke, but what about +5V? |
| 21:55.19 | Estel_ | it lacks 2A 5V fuse for sure when goes from testpads |
| 21:55.28 | Estel_ | any other lacking things? DocScrutinizer? :P |
| 21:56.03 | Estel_ | well, I've used jacekowski's fmtx (still using it) so boost not needed, also, kernel-power set it to 120 from version 48 or 49 |
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| 21:58.43 | Estel_ | damn connection |
| 21:59.12 | Estel_ | I'm really thinking about using small custom PCB with springs touching correct testpads,in custom aluminum body for N900 |
| 21:59.34 | Estel_ | to create alternative plug for charging and USB, without wear&tear for default USB |
| 22:00.13 | Estel_ | common mode choke lacking in USB circuit from testpads isn't any problem, untill You work on naked nuclear reactor |
| 22:00.34 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: I elaborated on components and their names missing when using the testpads for USB, on tmo |
| 22:00.47 | Estel_ | but I'm worried about +5V from testpads. Fuse can be incorporated into design |
| 22:00.48 | Estel_ | yea, but latter |
| 22:01.18 | Estel_ | blue_led denied lacking of ESD protection on data+ and - via testpads |
| 22:01.18 | Estel_ | and it seems that he is right |
| 22:01.23 | Estel_ | following tracks on schematics |
| 22:01.31 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh |
| 22:01.45 | Estel_ | I'm less experienced than You, but it seems that really only common mode choke is missing on data+- |
| 22:02.03 | Estel_ | which sound reasonable, as direct connection to chip, even in lab, would be insane |
| 22:02.06 | DocScrutinizer | plus tranzorbs I'd guess |
| 22:02.39 | DocScrutinizer | which are the real problem |
| 22:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | as those do all the ESD protection |
| 22:03.23 | Estel_ | high power current switching? |
| 22:04.14 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: sorry I have no link to my tmo post at hand |
| 22:04.27 | Estel_ | ok, will ensure that. I'm hestitant to design anything that can hurt someone's device |
| 22:04.34 | DocScrutinizer | you'll have to search it in those half dozen USB related threads |
| 22:04.36 | Estel_ | no problem, I'll find it |
| 22:04.40 | Estel_ | :P |
| 22:04.50 | Estel_ | it's on "repair before and aftefr to late" |
| 22:04.53 | Estel_ | seen it yesterday |
| 22:05.18 | Estel_ | all info from there are 100% confirmed from Your own research? |
| 22:05.52 | Estel_ | I'm asking, cause some time ago it was said that it's direct connection to USB chip, which isn't true, many FUD circulating around TMO when it goes to testpads and hardware |
| 22:06.23 | Estel_ | if something is small, cheap and easily available I can incorporate it into cuatom body on small PCB |
| 22:06.26 | Estel_ | when possible |
| 22:06.34 | Estel_ | to add *before* testpads |
| 22:07.23 | Estel_ | it would be "supercool" to allow people owning my custom alum body to have alternative USB connection with charging capabilities, yet, I still have to decide if doing smth like that is feasible for body replacement |
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| 22:09.41 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: the info in that post listing names of components missing when testpads used has been done by me, directly from schematics |
| 22:10.52 | Estel_ | ok, thanks a lot |
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| 22:11.26 | Estel_ | btw Your personal opinion on possibility to reproduce them on small PCB "outside" N900, i.e. connecting to testpads after PCB? |
| 22:11.38 | Estel_ | (pcb would be incorporated into body replacement) |
| 22:11.58 | Estel_ | to reproduce them cheaply* |
| 22:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | feasible |
| 22:14.35 | DocScrutinizer | I still recommend the proper fix, using original location of USB receptacle, and wiring to next possible contact |
| 22:14.48 | Estel_ | damn, I'm really tempted by this feature request. Although I must be careful, someone already wanted me to include solar panel LOL |
| 22:14.49 | DocScrutinizer | if pads are gone |
| 22:15.00 | Estel_ | yea, but proper fix require acces to motherboard |
| 22:15.22 | Estel_ | and I mean project of creating replacement aluminum (black) body for N900 |
| 22:15.39 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 22:15.57 | Estel_ | with properly shielded hirose cables for connecting into motherboard and normal plugs on outer body side |
| 22:16.13 | Estel_ | most people are already aware of this project :P (shameless note) |
| 22:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | why would you want an alu case? don't you need any BR, WLAN, GSM? |
| 22:16.18 | DocScrutinizer | BT* |
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| 22:16.54 | Estel_ | hey, if done properly it boost reception instead of lowering it, havent You heard about phones with alu body from factory::P |
| 22:16.58 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 22:17.11 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 22:17.54 | DocScrutinizer | envisions Estel_ explaining customers "you're holding it incorrectly" |
| 22:18.00 | Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83928 |
| 22:18.03 | Estel_ | very funny |
| 22:18.19 | Estel_ | I'm planing to incoporate antenna elements outside I mean build in |
| 22:18.33 | Estel_ | default N900 antennas are also plastic parts with antenna inside |
| 22:18.51 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 22:18.55 | Estel_ | alu body will act like reflector, actually |
| 22:19.05 | DocScrutinizer | but not enclosed in an alu can |
| 22:19.19 | Estel_ | of course |
| 22:19.21 | Estel_ | unless You're treating it as tinfoil hat :P |
| 22:19.38 | Estel_ | worriede that someone will hack u through l33t wifi |
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| 22:20.44 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: antenna design is pretty fsckng difficult for 'normal' designs |
| 22:20.48 | Estel_ | don't quote me on that, but I've also heard that simply connecting all antenna springs to allu case also boost reception, but I don't plan to use such approach :P |
| 22:20.54 | Estel_ | true |
| 22:21.11 | Estel_ | yet I'm quite experienced with fractal antennas |
| 22:21.26 | Estel_ | in 4nec it works, will try in real life :P |
| 22:21.30 | DocScrutinizer | it's near impossible to get anything semi-working in an alu case, without a RF design house to do the job and provide the experience |
| 22:22.08 | Estel_ | BTW doesn't N950 had alu body? |
| 22:22.24 | DocScrutinizer | not at ends, where antennae live |
| 22:22.31 | Estel_ | wtf I fucked words placement in that question |
| 22:22.50 | Estel_ | which is how I plan to do it :) |
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| 22:23.00 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 22:23.14 | Estel_ | do You think that it may turns out to be hard in design |
| 22:23.27 | Estel_ | i.e. result in antenna that works only when held "correctly" ? |
| 22:23.35 | DocScrutinizer | quite a bit, but feasible if you're experienced in RF |
| 22:24.08 | Estel_ | hope that I'm experienced enough ;) |
| 22:24.25 | DocScrutinizer | and don't worry about "correct holding" - this applies to standard N900 as well ;-D |
| 22:24.33 | Estel_ | btw I've hard that You tried to use hirose connectors and external antennas |
| 22:24.35 | Estel_ | haha |
| 22:24.56 | DocScrutinizer | I did that on GTA02 |
| 22:25.01 | Estel_ | in Your case, it resulted in worse reception due to a) bad antenna b) lack of shielding on cable? |
| 22:25.12 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 22:25.13 | Estel_ | ah I see |
| 22:25.40 | Estel_ | c) fcked design of gta02 when it comes to hirose connectors? ;P |
| 22:26.12 | DocScrutinizer | well, for what I did on GTA02, it worked |
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| 22:26.54 | Estel_ | oh, so someone was spreading fud about Your results |
| 22:27.05 | DocScrutinizer | which basically been: attach test adapter to test receptacle, attach GSM antenna to test adapter |
| 22:28.39 | DocScrutinizer | and for FUD, I think you confuse me with somebody else |
| 22:28.55 | DocScrutinizer | you, or that someone |
| 22:29.41 | Estel_ | possible, memories fade. |
| 22:30.09 | Estel_ | anyway, I'm off, thanks for today talk + freemangordon for debugging sessiosn :P |
| 22:30.18 | Estel_ | see ya! |
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| 23:14.56 | davux | there's a script that calculates the WEP key for some modems (huawei): http://websec.ca/blog/view/mac2wepkey_huawei |
| 23:16.07 | davux | is there a way to hook into the connection process so that the calculated key can be set automatically? |
| 23:17.21 | davux | the ideal scenario would be: click on "internet connections", select the one you would like to connect to, and the key would be calculated and set on the fly |
| 23:19.50 | DocScrutinizer | hihi |
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