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| 02:58.12 | DavidTalmage_ | I need a little help with Madde and linking. |
| 02:59.06 | DavidTalmage_ | I've searched the QtCreator docs and I've searched with Google. No joy. |
| 02:59.16 | DavidTalmage_ | Anybody here know about these things? |
| 03:00.47 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
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| 03:01.11 | DocScrutinizer | not me though |
| 03:01.28 | DavidTalmage_ | Hello, DocScrutinizer. |
| 03:01.41 | DavidTalmage_ | You gave me an answer like that once before. |
| 03:02.05 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, you probably asked to ask before then |
| 03:02.17 | DocScrutinizer | ~ask |
| 03:02.17 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 03:03.01 | DavidTalmage_ | OK. Fine. |
| 03:03.02 | Termana | I'm definitely here against my will |
| 03:03.48 | DavidTalmage_ | I'm building for Fremantle. During linking, the linker can't find a library that I've already built. |
| 03:03.50 | Termana | DavidTalmage_, if you have a specific problem just ask it. If someone is around that can answer it they will |
| 03:04.03 | DavidTalmage_ | Ternana, got it. Thanks. |
| 03:04.11 | DavidTalmage_ | Oops. Termana. |
| 03:05.06 | DavidTalmage_ | I think it's because the linker is looking only in sysroot. |
| 03:05.18 | DavidTalmage_ | I need it to look in the build directory. |
| 03:05.46 | DocScrutinizer | that's not how linker works, unless you want to link statically |
| 03:06.11 | DocScrutinizer | you need to install the lib, then linker will find it like any other lib |
| 03:06.14 | DavidTalmage_ | Isn't that what -L is for? |
| 03:06.47 | DavidTalmage_ | It behaves that way when I build for Linux. Just not when I build for Fremantle. |
| 03:06.56 | DocScrutinizer | but as mentioned above, my knowledge about those things is rather general and not very specific |
| 03:07.15 | DavidTalmage_ | I appreciate that, DocScrutinizer, and I appreciate that you're trying to help me. |
| 03:08.22 | DavidTalmage_ | I did in fact switch from static linking to dynamic linking. |
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| 03:08.50 | DocScrutinizer | I'd recommend `man ld` |
| 03:09.21 | DocScrutinizer | as I suspect there's not anything special with madde linking |
| 03:09.43 | DocScrutinizer | except of course the changeroot, I guess |
| 03:10.09 | DocScrutinizer | I.E you're linking against target libs, not host libs |
| 03:10.25 | DavidTalmage_ | I just now read the section on '-L'. It's supposed to do as I described: look in another directory. |
| 03:10.42 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 03:11.55 | DavidTalmage_ | I ran with mad the g++ invocation that QtCreator uses. I made it be verbose (-Wl,--verbose). |
| 03:12.11 | DavidTalmage_ | Then ld printed the directories it searched for my libraries. |
| 03:12.39 | DavidTalmage_ | They were all in sysroot. My libraries aren't in sysroot. |
| 03:12.54 | DavidTalmage_ | The will be when QtCreator gets around to deploying. |
| 03:13.15 | DavidTalmage_ | I'll make it more complicated now. |
| 03:13.26 | DavidTalmage_ | I'm using a subdirs project. |
| 03:13.38 | DavidTalmage_ | It contains apps and libraries. |
| 03:14.01 | Kilroo | I wonder when I shall recover enough motivation to try to get u-boot working again. |
| 03:14.17 | Kilroo | At least I got my recovery process down to a science. |
| 03:14.35 | DavidTalmage_ | QtCreator is building one of my apps when ld says it can't find my libraries. |
| 03:14.44 | Kilroo | But I'm still not sure exactly how I keep failing to produce a correct configuration. |
| 03:14.44 | DavidTalmage_ | This is a bootstrapping problem. |
| 03:15.23 | DocScrutinizer | DavidTalmage_: you say ld printed all dirs it searched. So was the dir you gave with -L in this list? |
| 03:15.37 | DavidTalmage_ | DocScrutinizer, no. |
| 03:16.02 | DavidTalmage_ | That's the problem. |
| 03:16.28 | DocScrutinizer | then your -L was either malformed in some way (which should cause a warning of ld nevertheless), or you rmethod to pass this parameter to ld failed |
| 03:17.45 | DavidTalmage_ | QtCreator generated it. I verified that the directory exists and that it contains the libraries. |
| 03:18.15 | DavidTalmage_ | There may be another way to invoke ld. |
| 03:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | often a planned error is a good way to shed some light on things. Try using an illegal pathname for -L, try even an illegal parameter all together (-ยง ?) |
| 03:19.51 | DocScrutinizer | ("--nonono" is for sure an illegal parameter. Try to pass this to your ld run) |
| 03:20.32 | DocScrutinizer | if it doesn't barf up on "--nonono: illegal parameter" you did sth wrong (or madde did sth "wrong") |
| 03:21.03 | DavidTalmage_ | I see what's happening. |
| 03:21.42 | DavidTalmage_ | The dir from my -L is in sort-of in the dirs that ld searched. |
| 03:21.51 | DocScrutinizer | if your error parameter is passed to ld just fine, but ld seems to ignore -L this/doesnt/exist then maybe some script is disabling/overriding -L |
| 03:21.55 | DavidTalmage_ | It's appended to the path to the sysroot. |
| 03:22.13 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 03:22.27 | DavidTalmage_ | E.g. ld -L foo makes mad ld search $SYSROOT/foo. |
| 03:22.31 | DavidTalmage_ | Fooey. |
| 03:22.47 | DavidTalmage_ | mad is doing what it's supposed to do, I guess. |
| 03:23.23 | DavidTalmage_ | That makes this a QtCreator problem. I need to make QtCreator copy my libs to sysroot before linking my apps. |
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| 03:30.56 | DavidTalmage_ | Thanks for helping me focus, DocScrutinizer. |
| 03:31.00 | DavidTalmage_ | Good night, all. |
| 03:31.04 | DocScrutinizer | yw :-D |
| 03:31.49 | DocScrutinizer | though I still fail to see why it attaches header of sysroot to -L parameter |
| 03:32.32 | DocScrutinizer | there's some --with-sysroot mentioned in manpage, I fail to get the meaning though |
| 03:33.24 | DocScrutinizer | anyway manpage clearly states that usually -L parameters only get sysroot header when starting with "=" |
| 03:34.01 | DocScrutinizer | >> If searchdir begins with "=", then the "=" will be replaced by the sysroot prefix, a path specified when the linker is configured.<< |
| 03:34.48 | DocScrutinizer | DavidTalmage_: I gather you haven't a "=" in your -L ? |
| 03:35.10 | Kilroo | I gotta say |
| 03:35.43 | Kilroo | one of the amusing things about Linux for me was the first time I was trying to explain to a coworker how to SSH into a server and look at the end of a log file |
| 03:36.21 | Kilroo | and ending up saying "Look, I gotta get to lunch...just look at man tail and let me know when I get back if you still need help." |
| 03:37.09 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 03:42.00 | Kilroo | I got such an odd look for that one. |
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| 03:43.13 | DocScrutinizer | killer glare |
| 03:45.00 | DocScrutinizer | I'd probably have told the guy about `less '+G'` |
| 03:46.02 | DocScrutinizer | just noticed he invoked `man ld` on ssh to IroN900 |
| 03:47.47 | DocScrutinizer | ...and about "h" and "q" |
| 03:48.29 | DocScrutinizer | though "q" already isn't exactly needed |
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| 04:00.21 | DavidTalmage_ | DocScrutinizer, I saw that in the man page. No, I don't have an "=" in my -L. |
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| 10:08.34 | k273 | hi DocScrutinizer, your checking on my /opt did well. I can install programs again. |
| 10:10.37 | k273 | thanks! Now I just have to handle the matter of input-hildon-desktop thing. |
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| 11:39.13 | freemangordon | Pali, just buy second SD card :P |
| 11:39.52 | Pali | this is really studid idea of all developers which belive that only one OS is the best |
| 11:40.09 | Pali | windows developers |
| 11:40.41 | freemangordon | Well, you now which guys are "nemo n900 HW adaptation" ;) |
| 11:41.02 | Pali | not now |
| 11:41.09 | Pali | but seems that images are same as old meego |
| 11:41.13 | freemangordon | Wouldn't call them exactly "windows developers", but still :D |
| 11:41.15 | freemangordon | Yeah |
| 11:41.36 | Pali | so this idea comes from meego and on meego worked people from nokia... |
| 11:41.40 | freemangordon | you should do xypper upgrade, or whatever is the correct command, it is described on wiki page |
| 11:41.54 | freemangordon | s/xipper/zypper/ |
| 11:42.14 | Pali | on my ubuntu box: zypper: command not found |
| 11:42.25 | freemangordon | once you boot nemo :D |
| 11:42.33 | Pali | but I cannot boot nemo :D |
| 11:42.39 | freemangordon | it uses rpm, you know that |
| 11:42.40 | Pali | really funny :D |
| 11:42.43 | Hurrian | Pali, you need rpm ;) |
| 11:42.46 | Pali | yes |
| 11:43.02 | Pali | but why I must run some command on arm OS image? |
| 11:43.07 | freemangordon | Pali, just by 4 GB SD card for 10 or so euros |
| 11:43.18 | Hurrian | also, Pali, latest u-boot fixed -110 errors for me |
| 11:43.19 | Pali | why they cannot prepair working image? |
| 11:43.32 | Pali | Hurrian, nice |
| 11:43.36 | freemangordon | Pali, again, zypper upgrade WHEN you boot nemo |
| 11:43.51 | Pali | ok |
| 11:44.00 | freemangordon | and the image is working ok, you just need to install it in the correct way |
| 11:44.38 | Pali | correct way is what? dd all my data? this is really what is windows doing (or was doing) |
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| 11:45.01 | freemangordon | Pali, after all this is not end-user OS |
| 11:45.14 | Hurrian | Pali, are you talking about the Nemo 4-30 release? |
| 11:45.20 | freemangordon | you know meego DE :D |
| 11:45.24 | Pali | why they force me to have only one OS on sd card? :D |
| 11:45.35 | freemangordon | because they are evil :P |
| 11:45.43 | Hurrian | Pali, use parted to check partitions inside it |
| 11:45.54 | Hurrian | then mount them with -o offset=??? |
| 11:45.55 | Pali | I'm not forcing other developers to use only my programs :D |
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| 11:46.05 | Pali | Hurrian, losetup |
| 11:46.12 | freemangordon | And who is forcing you to use Nemo? |
| 11:46.20 | freemangordon | Pali, yep |
| 11:46.41 | Pali | I want only test it without loosing data... |
| 11:47.04 | freemangordon | Buy a second SD card for that ;) |
| 11:47.10 | Hurrian | Pali, just leave a partition for Nemo |
| 11:47.12 | Pali | ok, look at it on other side? why it does not boot if I only copy data? |
| 11:47.19 | Hurrian | Pali, edit fstab |
| 11:47.28 | Pali | it has /etc/fstab only? |
| 11:47.30 | Hurrian | yeah |
| 11:47.35 | Pali | or want something in bootsector? |
| 11:47.37 | Hurrian | and then edit cmdline for nemo kernel |
| 11:47.48 | Pali | cmdline is edined in u-boot bootmenu |
| 11:47.53 | freemangordon | Because the kernel has cmdline prepared to boot with "run sdboot" comand |
| 11:48.07 | Hurrian | just make an item file for nemo |
| 11:48.24 | Pali | I have item file for nemo (with correct cmdline) |
| 11:48.52 | freemangordon | Pali, what "nemo does not boot" exactly means, are you stuck on "booting kernel"? |
| 11:48.55 | Hurrian | nemo is on ext4 partition> |
| 11:49.00 | Pali | so they could write some info on wiki or somewhere what is problem with "only copy files" |
| 11:49.00 | Hurrian | s/>/?/ |
| 11:49.16 | Pali | freemangordon, it show me systemd-fsck |
| 11:49.30 | Pali | and show that I'm in rescue mode |
| 11:49.37 | Hurrian | hmm, i'll test with the latest image |
| 11:49.37 | Pali | and freeze |
| 11:49.55 | Pali | Hurrian, yes, I have nemo on ext4 |
| 11:50.09 | Pali | also nitdroid and kubuntu too |
| 11:50.10 | Hurrian | that's odd, I'll go test the latest image to see if it's broken |
| 11:50.23 | Pali | Hurrian, I will try to look at /etc/fstab |
| 11:50.25 | freemangordon | Hurrian, the latest image is the same year-old meego-ce AIUI |
| 11:50.41 | freemangordon | ok, half an year old |
| 11:50.42 | Pali | maybe this is reason why also kubuntu not booting |
| 11:50.43 | Hurrian | ...with very minor changes. |
| 11:51.14 | Hurrian | freemangordon, they have been tracking Mer core changes, so there's that |
| 11:51.15 | freemangordon | Pali, could be, yeah, I think it expects ext3 or so |
| 11:51.25 | Hurrian | no, the kernel expects ext4 |
| 11:51.26 | freemangordon | not that it should matter |
| 11:51.31 | freemangordon | hmm, ok |
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| 11:54.12 | Pali | nemo fstab edited |
| 11:54.17 | Pali | kubuntu has empty fstab |
| 11:54.46 | freemangordon | Pali, which kernel you try to boot kubuntu qith? |
| 11:54.52 | freemangordon | *with |
| 11:55.03 | Pali | default which is in kubuntu image |
| 11:55.10 | freemangordon | 3.x? |
| 11:55.12 | Pali | with default initfs |
| 11:55.16 | freemangordon | won't work |
| 11:55.31 | freemangordon | you should use nemo kernel |
| 11:55.42 | freemangordon | read the tread on TMO |
| 11:56.00 | Pali | ok, and which initfs? |
| 11:56.02 | freemangordon | I can give yot the kernel with SD card and thumb patches |
| 11:56.10 | freemangordon | none |
| 11:57.11 | Pali | freemangordon, ok give me link for kernel with thumb patches |
| 11:57.18 | freemangordon | ok |
| 11:57.27 | freemangordon | give me a minute to upload it |
| 11:57.56 | Pali | ok, also write me correct cmdline |
| 11:58.55 | Pali | now I have this for kubuntu: "vram=12M omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR-16@60 mpurate=\${mpurate} root=/dev/mmcblk0p3 fixrtc quiet splash" |
| 11:59.30 | SpeedEvil | spends a busy 4 seconds reading backscroll in #tizen. |
| 11:59.48 | freemangordon | omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR ? haha, won't work |
| 12:00.08 | Pali | now I see :D |
| 12:00.13 | Pali | this is funny :D |
| 12:00.24 | freemangordon | seems it is prepared for BB |
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| 12:02.55 | freemangordon | Pali, http://dox.bg/files/dw?a=2ab3a97876 |
| 12:04.05 | freemangordon | root=/dev/mmcblk0p3 rootwait console=tty0 omapfb.vram=0:2M,1:2M,2:2M mtdoops.mtddev=2 nosplash elevator=noop |
| 12:04.22 | freemangordon | change your root of course |
| 12:04.28 | Pali | ok, thanks |
| 12:04.53 | Pali | mmcblk0 is SD card? |
| 12:04.59 | freemangordon | yep |
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| 12:06.41 | Pali | need to run depmod for modules? |
| 12:06.51 | freemangordon | don't think |
| 12:07.26 | Pali | ok |
| 12:07.59 | freemangordon | have in mind I've never tried to boot that kernel from boot menu, i just copy it over 1's (vfat) partition and run sdboot |
| 12:08.06 | freemangordon | 1'st |
| 12:10.20 | Pali | booting nemo |
| 12:10.27 | freemangordon | :) |
| 12:10.30 | Pali | now it fsck showed no error |
| 12:10.36 | Pali | and I got enter pin code :D |
| 12:10.51 | Pali | booted :D |
| 12:11.01 | freemangordon | you are using your primary device to test it? |
| 12:11.10 | freemangordon | a brave one :D |
| 12:11.12 | Pali | yes |
| 12:11.54 | Hurrian | booting nemo is dangerous? |
| 12:11.59 | Pali | so for nemo is needed only set correct /etc/fstab |
| 12:12.11 | freemangordon | Hurrian, I don't think it is |
| 12:12.37 | freemangordon | But Pali has "developr" device, that is why I am surprised |
| 12:12.42 | Hurrian | ah |
| 12:13.07 | freemangordon | Pali, how fast it is running |
| 12:13.09 | freemangordon | ? |
| 12:13.16 | Pali | is fast |
| 12:13.22 | Pali | I think usable |
| 12:13.27 | Pali | now rebooted to kubuntu |
| 12:13.30 | Hurrian | Pali, does WiFi hold for you? |
| 12:13.44 | Pali | I got more warnings in init |
| 12:13.54 | Pali | but now I got KDM login screen :D |
| 12:14.01 | freemangordon | my kernel? |
| 12:14.04 | Pali | yes |
| 12:14.16 | freemangordon | any SIGILL in dmesg? |
| 12:14.26 | freemangordon | or in /var/syslog |
| 12:14.28 | Pali | I do not know user/password |
| 12:14.37 | Pali | what is default username? |
| 12:14.40 | Pali | and password? |
| 12:14.51 | freemangordon | you don't have one, do a guest session |
| 12:14.55 | Pali | shit touchscreen not working correctly |
| 12:15.13 | Pali | Y axes are reverted |
| 12:15.14 | freemangordon | yeah, that is why you need int_ua's installer :P |
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| 12:16.18 | Pali | freemangordon, I switched to console |
| 12:16.25 | freemangordon | but be warned, it takes ages to complete |
| 12:16.27 | Pali | but it still needs login :-( |
| 12:16.47 | freemangordon | Pali, do a single-user login, edit /etc/.. |
| 12:16.53 | Pali | I will shutdown and create some user in /etc/passwd |
| 12:16.59 | Hurrian | freemangordon, since he has nemo already, he can do the steps manually |
| 12:17.07 | Hurrian | also, don't edit etc/passwd, use adduser |
| 12:17.17 | freemangordon | if he knows which steps, of course |
| 12:17.30 | Hurrian | just look it up from the install script ;) |
| 12:17.34 | freemangordon | Pali, yeah, do adduser from a single-user mode |
| 12:18.02 | Hurrian | mainly he needs kubuntu-integration.deb and copy firmware |
| 12:18.05 | freemangordon | Hurrian, it is not so simple, but maybe could be done |
| 12:18.10 | Hurrian | and the rc.local edit |
| 12:18.28 | Pali | when I booted it show me messages failed to create pts |
| 12:18.36 | freemangordon | ignore that |
| 12:18.44 | Hurrian | maybe need entry in fstab, but doesn't matter |
| 12:18.47 | Pali | ok |
| 12:18.48 | Hurrian | it's just like tmpfs |
| 12:19.07 | freemangordon | there is a fix for it, but don't ask me for it |
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| 12:24.30 | Pali | wifi and bluetooth show error that cannot load firmware |
| 12:24.45 | freemangordon | copy the firmware from maemo |
| 12:24.50 | Pali | ok |
| 12:24.58 | Pali | now loading KDE :-) |
| 12:25.18 | Pali | its very very slow |
| 12:25.30 | freemangordon | first time it is |
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| 12:32.00 | Pali | so now it started |
| 12:32.09 | Pali | it is very very slow, not usable |
| 12:32.21 | Pali | nemo and nitdroid is fast |
| 12:32.43 | freemangordon | Pali, any SIGILL in logs? |
| 12:32.59 | Pali | I cannot open log |
| 12:32.59 | freemangordon | and you can install kubuntu-low-fat-settings |
| 12:33.05 | freemangordon | Pali, why? |
| 12:33.14 | Pali | now trying to open konsole :D |
| 12:33.18 | Pali | it is slow :D |
| 12:33.20 | freemangordon | aah :D |
| 12:33.31 | Pali | maybe I will open konsole in next 5 hours :D |
| 12:33.34 | freemangordon | where is your swap set? |
| 12:33.45 | Pali | no idea |
| 12:33.51 | freemangordon | you have swap? |
| 12:33.54 | Pali | I cannot run free, df, ... |
| 12:34.06 | Pali | so I cannot tell you |
| 12:34.15 | freemangordon | what about cat/proc/swaps? |
| 12:34.34 | Pali | I have no terminal open yet! |
| 12:34.37 | freemangordon | Pali, boot in single-user mode and setup a swap |
| 12:34.40 | Pali | I'm trying to open konsole |
| 12:34.51 | freemangordon | most probably you-re OOM |
| 12:35.10 | freemangordon | well, not you, kubuntu :D |
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| 12:38.24 | Pali | no swap |
| 12:38.50 | freemangordon | I told ya |
| 12:39.10 | freemangordon | setup eMMC as swap (mmcblk1p3) |
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| 12:39.18 | Pali | in dmeg is a lot of messages: failed to create pty - disabling logging for job |
| 12:39.25 | freemangordon | ignore that |
| 12:39.31 | Pali | temporary process spawn error |
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| 12:53.00 | Pali | freemangordon, I have no *SIG* in /var/log/syslog |
| 12:53.30 | freemangordon | that is great |
| 12:53.47 | freemangordon | how it is working now, when you have memory |
| 12:54.04 | Pali | now I'm going to start KDE again :-) |
| 12:54.19 | freemangordon | aah , ok |
| 12:54.24 | Pali | swap is enabled |
| 12:54.36 | Pali | I added it to /etc/fstab |
| 12:54.57 | Pali | seems that kde is starting quickly, but still slow |
| 12:55.57 | Pali | still loading... |
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| 12:56.52 | Pali | seems not usable with swap too |
| 12:56.58 | Pali | still not loaded |
| 12:57.04 | freemangordon | what class is your card? |
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| 12:57.32 | Pali | 10 |
| 12:57.39 | freemangordon | ok |
| 12:57.46 | Pali | samsung 32GB class 10 |
| 12:57.53 | freemangordon | well, try to install kubuntu-low-fat-settings |
| 12:58.29 | freemangordon | BTW isn't KDE too fat for n900? |
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| 12:58.48 | freemangordon | isn't lxde a better alternative? |
| 12:58.55 | Pali | KDE is too fat for 8 cores i7 processors :D |
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| 12:59.05 | freemangordon | :D |
| 12:59.10 | Pali | with 64GB ram :D |
| 12:59.32 | Pali | because nepomuk, strigi and akonadi... |
| 13:00.45 | Pali | kde not started.... |
| 13:00.58 | Pali | ok, now I'm finishing today testing |
| 13:01.42 | Pali | I will do some other school homeworks... |
| 13:01.48 | Pali | bye |
| 13:01.51 | freemangordon | bb |
| 13:03.51 | CodenameStrike-N | <Pali> KDE is too fat for 8 cores i7 processors :D |
| 13:03.59 | CodenameStrike-N | 8 cores? |
| 13:04.15 | CodenameStrike-N | You mean 4 cores with 8 threads? |
| 13:04.32 | CodenameStrike-N | I'm using KDE though, with Nepomuk on |
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| 13:06.08 | trx | he meant 8x "Core i7 Processors" with 64GB of ram :) |
| 13:08.06 | Hurrian | >more than 1 core i7 on a motherboard |
| 13:08.21 | Hurrian | only with xeons. |
| 13:11.01 | CodenameStrike-N | >64GB RAM |
| 13:11.23 | CodenameStrike-N | I'm starting to wonder |
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| 13:30.51 | Hurrian | CodenameStrike-N, at that point, boot your whole OS off a ramdisk. |
| 13:31.05 | Hurrian | way faster than any SSD |
| 13:31.55 | CodenameStrike-N | Ah |
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| 13:32.46 | CodenameStrike-N | Probably something to test upon having a 5-digit salary here then. |
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| 13:33.17 | trx | heh, i would like 4 digits first :) |
| 13:33.18 | CodenameStrike-N | Not inl USD, of course... 1USD is like 3 or more bucks here. |
| 13:33.26 | CodenameStrike-N | *in |
| 13:34.20 | spark666 | how to remove this from my PS1? - BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso30+0m5) built-in shell (ash) |
| 13:35.02 | Hurrian | it's not part of PS1, it's part of ash |
| 13:35.25 | spark666 | Hurrian: it is possible to remove it then? |
| 13:35.28 | Hurrian | install bash4, set it as shell for user and root |
| 13:35.29 | spark666 | :-s |
| 13:35.49 | spark666 | some ppl from here said its not a good idea to use bash |
| 13:36.08 | spark666 | i love bash to,i never used ash |
| 13:36.19 | Hurrian | why not use bash? it's a good shell. |
| 13:36.49 | spark666 | they said i can run into trouble on N900 |
| 13:37.02 | spark666 | on my laptop i use bash |
| 13:37.18 | Hurrian | only if you replace system service shells with bash, because nokia wrote them for ash |
| 13:37.40 | spark666 | humm |
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| 14:01.02 | iBorg | hi |
| 14:01.11 | iBorg | any techs here ? |
| 14:01.24 | iBorg | i have N900 prob if you can help me? |
| 14:02.12 | r00t|home | google: asking questions on irc |
| 14:02.31 | iBorg | web pages dont help |
| 14:03.12 | r00t|home | read again |
| 14:03.12 | brik | ask your question, we don't know if we can help unless we know what you need help with |
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| 14:05.45 | iBorg | i have N900, It does not boot. I am Now trying to flash the phone, however putting a fully charged battery in, and pressing and holding the "u" key, and then plugging in the USB data cable does not give me the USB indicator icon on screen. the screen just turns off. |
| 14:06.36 | iBorg | the phone just cycles when either usb data is plugged in or when power adaptor is plugged in. |
| 14:07.33 | iBorg | Cycle in my case means: Faint Nokia screen comes on, then I see white pips go forward and back for 1 cycle, then the phone powers off and starts again. |
| 14:07.43 | iBorg | any idea's ? |
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| 14:09.10 | trx | DocScrutinizer i want to create a dream machine using n900 leds, its basically a stroboscope.. do you think it can damage the leds or anything else? |
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| 14:10.04 | trx | frequency is arround 10-30hz |
| 14:11.42 | freemangordon | iBorg, with battery removed - plug usb cable, press and hold u and but the battery back, it is a little tricky, but works |
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| 14:11.44 | DocScrutinizer | which LEDs? |
| 14:12.03 | freemangordon | s/and but/and put/ |
| 14:12.08 | iBorg | hi |
| 14:12.14 | iBorg | ive tried that the phone remains OFF |
| 14:12.35 | freemangordon | turn it in then, while still holding u |
| 14:13.03 | iBorg | trying |
| 14:13.17 | trx | DocScrutinizer flash leds |
| 14:13.34 | DocScrutinizer | when phone doesn't power up on plugging in USB, resp inserting battery with USB plugged, you got a problem with either |
| 14:14.16 | DocScrutinizer | trx: you can run the LEDs with 50mA (IIRC) permamnently |
| 14:14.33 | DocScrutinizer | see flashlight app |
| 14:14.52 | DocScrutinizer | I doubt however you can switch then this fast |
| 14:15.47 | trx | i'll have to test that, i wanted to be sure that if i can i won't damage anything |
| 14:15.50 | trx | thanks |
| 14:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | you *will* damage when you run them on full power |
| 14:16.45 | iBorg | ok same behaviour |
| 14:16.55 | iBorg | the phone dont boot |
| 14:17.02 | trx | so 50mA then, ok |
| 14:17.29 | iBorg | i get a faint nokia screen, then white pips on screen for a second, then phone turns off. |
| 14:17.29 | freemangordon | iBorg, you said you want to flash it |
| 14:17.47 | iBorg | yea i do |
| 14:17.54 | iBorg | im trying to get it working |
| 14:18.09 | freemangordon | what OS is that, on your PC? |
| 14:18.14 | iBorg | flashing it is my last resort to trying to get it working |
| 14:18.36 | iBorg | i have 2 laptops here, 64 bit and 32 |
| 14:18.42 | iBorg | win and ubuntu |
| 14:18.50 | freemangordon | try inder ubuntu |
| 14:18.54 | freemangordon | *under |
| 14:18.54 | iBorg | the flash app dont see the phone in any state |
| 14:25.14 | DocScrutinizer | look in syslog |
| 14:25.31 | DocScrutinizer | for "new USB device..." OWTTE |
| 14:30.57 | k273 | ohay DocScrutinizer |
| 14:31.13 | k273 | I already managed that /opt hogs |
| 14:31.16 | k273 | thanks |
| 14:31.22 | DocScrutinizer | yw :-) |
| 14:31.39 | k273 | but I cannot find HAM unless what you meant was hildon app man? |
| 14:31.47 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 14:31.55 | k273 | okay |
| 14:33.09 | DocScrutinizer | grins about the history showing up in fremantle's app names |
| 14:33.23 | DocScrutinizer | osso, hildon... |
| 14:34.22 | k273 | yes, funky, to say the least. |
| 14:36.36 | DocScrutinizer | iBorg: I guess your USB cable or receptacle is broken |
| 14:37.11 | DocScrutinizer | iBorg: have you looked nto syslog yet? |
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| 14:43.33 | DocScrutinizer | iBorg: ~# logger "this-is-syslog"; sudo less '+F' $(grep -l this-is-syslog /var/log/* 2>/dev/null) |
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| 14:54.48 | DocScrutinizer | iBorg: on your PC of course |
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| 14:58.42 | DocScrutinizer | iBorg: OTOH when device refuses to enter flashing mode when you hold 'u' key while plugging in *wallcharger*, then definitely your battery is defect or at very least completely depleted |
| 14:59.40 | DocScrutinizer | when it doesn't boot at all, your USB is defect |
| 15:00.38 | DocScrutinizer | device booting to dim NOKIA screen, then failing as soon as backlight gets enabled is most likely battery |
| 15:00.39 | SpeedEvil | Or the battery is completely defective |
| 15:01.02 | DocScrutinizer | >> then definitely your battery is defect or at very least completely depleted |
| 15:01.16 | DocScrutinizer | defective even |
| 15:02.33 | SpeedEvil | I meant if it doesn't boot at all |
| 15:04.51 | DocScrutinizer | well, for some defects it actually might neither boot nor enter emergency-charge mode |
| 15:05.36 | DocScrutinizer | where "boot" is "cpu starts doing 'things' like showing NOKIA on screen" |
| 15:07.44 | DocScrutinizer | since PC has no D+- short, emergency-charge won't kick in, so no steady amber indicator, even with completely depleted battery |
| 15:08.03 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I said *fastcharger* in post above |
| 15:09.07 | DocScrutinizer | actually I said *wallcharger* :-D |
| 15:09.32 | k273 | And I wish I had Dodge Charger SRT8 |
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| 15:16.19 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
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| 15:17.42 | DocScrutinizer | I guess if I'd bother to google, I'd find sth about combustion engine with compressor or turbo |
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| 15:18.32 | DrGrov | Hi DocScrutinizer |
| 15:18.36 | DocScrutinizer | hi DrGrov |
| 15:18.37 | DrGrov | How are you doing? |
| 15:18.59 | DocScrutinizer | ohwell, getting older :-P |
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| 15:19.34 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Well, that is not all that bad now is it? :) |
| 15:22.17 | DocScrutinizer | I hated it when I was 20, I thanked God for not been able to stop aging at 20 when I was 35. Now I just hate it so much that I tend to ignore it all together |
| 15:25.33 | DocScrutinizer | N years + 362 days gives me strange moods now, as does awaking in the morning with all sorts of aches ;-D |
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| 15:39.21 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Damn, you are getting old :D |
| 15:39.59 | k273 | ummm Tylenol? |
| 15:42.51 | DocScrutinizer | wtf? |
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| 15:46.30 | k273 | you said aches |
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| 16:59.37 | Tofe | Hi ! |
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| 17:05.46 | Tofe | I got the owncloud sync client running on N900, but the UI... beeerk |
| 17:06.46 | Tofe | Also it's going in the "systray" when closing it. But what is the systray on maemo, I don't have a clue :) |
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| 20:25.47 | DocScrutinizer | googles tylenol |
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| 20:26.46 | DocScrutinizer | aah paracetamol |
| 20:28.11 | DocScrutinizer | Tofe: usually the statusbar, or status menu |
| 20:28.58 | DocScrutinizer | IOW the area where clock and battery icon appear |
| 20:29.15 | DocScrutinizer | much like on systray ;-) |
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| 21:54.58 | DocScrutinizer | sighs on cursory scanning http://www.8051projects.net/e107_files/public/1300865705_32137_FT45814_sim900d_hd_v1.02.pdf. Why-o-why don't current UMTS modems support all the nice features "old" GSM modems had: fax, CSD... |
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| 22:12.19 | jooles | Hey guys. Anyone here run a recent kernel (3.0 or later) on a nokia n810? I'm having trouble compiling a kernel for it that boots |
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| 22:42.59 | luke-jr | jooles: LOL good luck |
| 22:43.27 | luke-jr | jooles: Linux still doesn't support N810. Mostly Nokia's fault. |
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| 22:44.25 | jooles | Eh, I figure it's worth a try. I should at least be able to get it to boot I would have thought |
| 22:45.10 | jooles | One question though.. Does the use of XZ or LZMA compression on the kernel need the XZ or LZMA binaries to be in the initfs or anything like that? |
| 22:45.42 | hurrian | no, it uses inbuilt kernel decompression algo |
| 22:46.07 | jooles | hurrian: Awesome, thanks |
| 22:47.17 | nox- | zx needs lots of ram right? |
| 22:47.22 | nox- | xz i mean |
| 22:48.30 | hurrian | it'll still boot Linux |
| 22:48.40 | hurrian | it'll be slow, but it'll boot |
| 22:49.35 | jooles | I think slowness is the main issue but I don't mind that |
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