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| 01:13.52 | micahf | hey, so i plug the n900 into a USB port. at first it says "charging", then it says "not charging". I can't get it to charge over usb! |
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| 01:14.16 | micahf | i also have several usb power adapters and none of them work either :\ |
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| 01:14.32 | Hurrian | micahf, USB port damage. |
| 01:14.40 | micahf | the only way i can charge is if i use the micro usb charger that came with it |
| 01:14.50 | micahf | that one works |
| 01:14.58 | Hurrian | yeah, the only thing holding the plug in is the hooks |
| 01:15.07 | Hurrian | is the usb port wobbly? |
| 01:15.12 | Hurrian | you can check with the stylus |
| 01:15.48 | micahf | it doesn't seem to be wobbly |
| 01:15.59 | SpeedEvil | Check with another cable |
| 01:16.48 | micahf | i'll have to go buy another cable |
| 01:17.24 | micahf | mini usb and microusb are so similarly sized... i don't get it |
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| 01:20.18 | Hurrian | microusb is around half the height of miniusb |
| 01:20.46 | Hurrian | with microusb being so ridiculously small and hard to attach without looking at it it's stupid |
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| 01:34.00 | micahf | i always thought the name "universal serial bus" was a little ironic because it's so physically specific and articulated to the point where if it breaks, you're jacked unless you buy a new one |
| 01:34.23 | micahf | wires with alligator clips are the real "universal serial bus" |
| 01:35.38 | micahf | USB is well designed for planned obsolescence |
| 01:48.29 | robbiethe1st | Well, microUSB definitely is. |
| 01:48.40 | robbiethe1st | Mini-usb seemed fairly decent, though |
| 01:50.29 | SpeedEvil | Miniusb has the wear part on the wrong side IIRC |
| 01:50.46 | SpeedEvil | The socket is only good for 1000 insertions IIRC |
| 01:54.31 | robbiethe1st | Yet it's always /microusb/ sockets that fail. |
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| 01:58.36 | Hurrian | michaf, it's either USB or Firewire/Thunderbolt |
| 01:59.02 | Hurrian | USB being called "Universal", FW/TB being supposedly interchangeable |
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| 03:48.11 | micahf | i had a dream once, where the USB port broke on the back of my midi controller |
| 03:48.22 | micahf | and there was just this giant shot of the usb port |
| 03:48.48 | micahf | the midi controller was exaggeratedly macroscopic in this dream |
| 03:49.44 | micahf | and i think the gist of this was that the whole midi controller hinged on this funny little plastic port that was supposedly "universal", but was fragile and could only interface with one shape |
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| 03:50.44 | robbiethe1st | Unless they are micro-usb ports, they're easy enough to re-solder |
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| 05:06.32 | Kilroo1 | Great |
| 05:07.00 | Kilroo1 | I finally decide that yes, I need to buy a backup n900, and then realize my ebay coupon code expired yesterday...oh well. |
| 05:08.45 | Kilroo1 | On the bright side, having just spent that money will make it easier for a while to resist the temptation to decide I also need an element of the set {Archos 5, Dell Streak 5 AWS, Galaxy Note}. |
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| 07:52.04 | LaoLang_cool | How do you get/read email on maemo? |
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| 08:14.27 | vi___ | hello |
| 08:14.32 | vi___ | ius there anyone left here? |
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| 08:33.58 | merlin1991 | vi___: I think so |
| 08:35.00 | vi___ | woot! |
| 08:35.48 | vi___ | what is the name of the program that lets you change modest folder subscriptions? |
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| 08:46.30 | merlin1991 | sry I have nfc |
| 08:46.49 | jacekowski | what near field communication has to do with it? |
| 08:47.00 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 08:47.17 | merlin1991 | nfc is no fucking clue, the fancy new stuff you're talking about has nothing todo with it ;) |
| 08:48.07 | jacekowski | i know |
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| 09:03.36 | auenf | nfi, not nfc i think merlin1991 meant |
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| 09:08.03 | LaoLang_cool | Hi, any mail client suggestion? |
| 09:08.32 | LaoLang_cool | I think no fetchmail + procmail + mutt for maemo |
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| 09:39.53 | Sicelo | LaoLang_cool: there is mutt for maemo. |
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| 09:55.28 | LaoLang_cool | Sicelo: Yes, looking for fetchmail/getmail :) |
| 09:56.00 | Sicelo | for offline use? |
| 09:56.27 | LaoLang_cool | Sicelo: yes |
| 09:59.58 | LaoLang_cool | oh, mutt: Depends: slang1a-utf8 (> 1.4.9dbs-4) but it is not installable... |
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| 10:21.12 | LaoLang_cool | Can't update with deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free non-free |
| 10:23.13 | LaoLang_cool | oh, notice a space between maemo.org/ and fremantle, will try again |
| 10:25.10 | LaoLang_cool | good, works now |
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| 13:13.43 | peterbjornx | if i were to sell the top half of my (dead) second n900 as a spare part |
| 13:13.54 | peterbjornx | how much would it sell for do you think |
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| 13:29.22 | DocScrutinizer | 50 bucks maybe |
| 13:29.51 | DocScrutinizer | probably less |
| 13:31.03 | DocScrutinizer | what happened to the main body? |
| 13:31.12 | DocScrutinizer | eaten by snakes? |
| 13:31.27 | peterbjornx | i needed the pcb |
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| 13:32.47 | SpeedEvil | Why? |
| 13:33.25 | DocScrutinizer | look, I'd probably pay 50 bucks for a complete defect device, with a good (US) qwerty keymat, an intact case, maybe domesheet, LCD halve (for sure with some minor scratches) etc |
| 13:34.45 | peterbjornx | i have the whole device except for the pcb |
| 13:34.54 | peterbjornx | its gota dutch keymat |
| 13:35.01 | DocScrutinizer | eeeew |
| 13:35.01 | peterbjornx | which is pretty standard |
| 13:35.11 | DocScrutinizer | 4 cursor keys? |
| 13:35.13 | peterbjornx | yes |
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| 13:35.21 | SpeedEvil | Why did you want the PCB? |
| 13:35.21 | DocScrutinizer | fine, how much for all? |
| 13:35.22 | peterbjornx | idk if its special or international |
| 13:35.30 | peterbjornx | alt-c = euro sign |
| 13:35.50 | DocScrutinizer | == standard (US) |
| 13:35.55 | peterbjornx | ok :) |
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| 13:36.15 | peterbjornx | the screen itself is not scratched |
| 13:36.19 | peterbjornx | only the metal edge |
| 13:36.43 | DocScrutinizer | without any mainboard (domesheet, SIM holder, whatnot else, camera...) I'd pay 25 EUR |
| 13:37.26 | peterbjornx | how much do you think itll go for on ebay? |
| 13:37.37 | DocScrutinizer | I doubt it will go at all |
| 13:37.47 | SpeedEvil | ponders. |
| 13:38.18 | DocScrutinizer | look, for ~80€ I get used *working* N900 |
| 13:38.49 | DocScrutinizer | for ~120€ refurbished perfect condition ones |
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| 13:40.05 | DocScrutinizer | also iirc for ~80 USD I can get *new* spare parts for a complete display halve |
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| 13:42.01 | BiggAl | I bet you could do something cool with the top half and a RPi |
| 13:42.10 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 13:42.38 | BiggAl | wouldn't buy one for it, but if I had one lying about |
| 13:42.39 | peterbjornx | i reseachred the lcd, couldnt find much info |
| 13:42.52 | DocScrutinizer | there's none |
| 13:43.33 | BiggAl | surely a fairly generic resistive screen running at 800x480 |
| 13:43.44 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 13:44.20 | BiggAl | I thought the custom X was the clever part |
| 13:44.29 | peterbjornx | nope |
| 13:44.38 | peterbjornx | the display controller in the omap is |
| 13:45.01 | DocScrutinizer | the display controller is in LCD |
| 13:45.13 | BiggAl | ah - interesting |
| 13:45.15 | peterbjornx | w/e you call it |
| 13:45.22 | peterbjornx | the thing driving the lcd interface |
| 13:45.38 | peterbjornx | i dont even know what interface its using |
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| 13:46.47 | BiggAl | that sounds quite 'special' - explains why xssh never worked well |
| 13:46.51 | peterbjornx | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_LCD_panel -- is all i have |
| 13:47.11 | peterbjornx | the X server they are using doesnt even directly talk to the LCD |
| 13:47.20 | peterbjornx | it uses the GPU |
| 13:48.46 | DocScrutinizer | ls -l /sys//class/backlight/acx565akm -- none of that is in OMAP display controller |
| 13:48.56 | peterbjornx | no |
| 13:49.05 | peterbjornx | thats the I2C part of it |
| 13:49.09 | peterbjornx | but the actual graphics |
| 13:49.18 | peterbjornx | i've looked into the acx565akm driver source |
| 13:49.31 | peterbjornx | 15 SCLK |
| 13:49.32 | peterbjornx | 16 RESET |
| 13:49.32 | peterbjornx | 17 MOSI |
| 13:49.32 | peterbjornx | 18 MISO |
| 13:49.37 | peterbjornx | is control |
| 13:49.40 | peterbjornx | and video is |
| 13:49.40 | peterbjornx | 4 Data0- |
| 13:49.40 | peterbjornx | 5 Data0+ |
| 13:49.41 | peterbjornx | 6 Clock- |
| 13:49.41 | peterbjornx | 7 Clock+ |
| 13:49.41 | peterbjornx | 8 Data1- |
| 13:49.41 | peterbjornx | 9 Data1+ |
| 13:49.47 | DocScrutinizer | WHAT? |
| 13:50.01 | peterbjornx | the pins on the lcd connector |
| 13:50.13 | DocScrutinizer | again, so what? |
| 13:50.28 | peterbjornx | they are driven from some muxed non GPIO pins |
| 13:50.59 | DocScrutinizer | cabc_mode is in 565akm chip which is *real* LCD-controller |
| 13:51.11 | peterbjornx | i looked those pins up and they can be any of the display buses the OMAP supports |
| 13:51.25 | DocScrutinizer | again, so what? |
| 13:51.32 | SpeedEvil | It's the controller only of the backlight and stuff - it doesn't do actual display data |
| 13:51.48 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I honestly dount that |
| 13:52.02 | peterbjornx | still, you cant use the control bus (i2c) to do graphics |
| 13:52.09 | DocScrutinizer | cabc-mode is automatic from data |
| 13:52.10 | peterbjornx | even if it was on the same chip |
| 13:52.15 | SpeedEvil | hm |
| 13:52.16 | SpeedEvil | m |
| 13:52.24 | SpeedEvil | I should in principle look up the datsheet. |
| 13:52.34 | peterbjornx | i tried that |
| 13:52.38 | peterbjornx | couldnt find it |
| 13:52.39 | SpeedEvil | But today, I need to clear the lawn of stuff so it doesn't go wierd and yellow in bits. |
| 13:52.40 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 13:52.47 | SpeedEvil | stabs unavailable datasheets. |
| 13:53.31 | DocScrutinizer | look, guys, I know the datasheets of waaay simpler OM FreeRunner display |
| 13:54.00 | DocScrutinizer | and even this jkdunno chip has gamma correction and whatnot else |
| 13:54.16 | peterbjornx | so? |
| 13:54.52 | peterbjornx | if anybody wants to use the n900 lcd for another purpose they need to be able to interface with its video port |
| 13:54.55 | DocScrutinizer | so N900 display isn't a simple plain vanilla LCD you just need to hook on to LVM |
| 13:55.02 | DocScrutinizer | LVD* |
| 13:55.45 | peterbjornx | which is some weird differential signalling 2 data line 1 clock line port |
| 13:56.00 | peterbjornx | which = n900 display port |
| 13:56.00 | DocScrutinizer | afk |
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| 14:39.11 | peterbjornx | so any clue on what the RX pin of the serial port is |
| 14:39.16 | peterbjornx | TX has been identified |
| 14:39.20 | peterbjornx | but RX??? |
| 14:45.59 | SpeedEvil | Which serial port? |
| 14:47.01 | peterbjornx | N900 |
| 14:48.01 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.cpkb.org/wiki/File:Nokia_n900_pinout.jpg |
| 14:48.38 | peterbjornx | thats MBUS |
| 14:48.42 | peterbjornx | i mean rs232 |
| 14:48.57 | r00t|home | there is no rs232, kinda obviously ;) |
| 14:49.04 | peterbjornx | there is |
| 14:49.30 | r00t|home | rs232 is the electrical interface with +12/-12v levels... |
| 14:49.54 | peterbjornx | According to jacekowskis measurements J2000 is serial console, pin 5 is confirmed to be TX (115200 8-N-1 ~2.6 V, connected to 1st UART in omap - /dev/ttyS0 in Linux). Since J2000 is group of 5 pads one could suppose the serial console uses HW flow control. |
| 14:50.04 | peterbjornx | okay 3.3v serial |
| 14:50.46 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.cpkb.org/wiki/Nokia_N900_pinout |
| 14:50.51 | r00t|home | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports |
| 14:50.55 | r00t|home | "According to jacekowskis measurements J2000 is serial console, pin 5 is confirmed to be TX (115200 8-N-1 ~2.6 V, connected to 1st UART in omap - /dev/ttyS0 in Linux). Since J2000 is group of 5 pads one could suppose the serial console uses HW flow control." |
| 14:51.29 | peterbjornx | yea thats what i cp'd |
| 14:51.41 | peterbjornx | but no one has done any research since then? |
| 14:51.45 | DocScrutinizer | and NO, this is neither "MBUS" nor is it 3.3V which will definitely fry your SoC |
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| 14:52.31 | r00t|home | actually i'd be willing to do tests to locate RxD, if it really hasn't been done |
| 14:52.54 | peterbjornx | how would you test it |
| 14:53.24 | r00t|home | all you really need to do is: sort out pins that are definitively not inputs, and then short the others with TxD until you get a loopback |
| 14:53.41 | peterbjornx | what if you hit a gnd ? |
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| 14:53.47 | r00t|home | you can sort out those easily |
| 14:54.13 | r00t|home | also, uart IO pins are usually relatively forgiving |
| 14:54.39 | r00t|home | but i also just said i'd take the risk of killing mine if it really hasn't been done |
| 14:57.35 | DocScrutinizer | scratch my last post, for the mbus part |
| 14:58.46 | DocScrutinizer | r00t|home: (forgiving) not this UART |
| 14:59.35 | r00t|home | from the service manual: "15) While removing the engine board, be careful not to damage the USB connector." |
| 14:59.40 | DocScrutinizer | there's no risk of killing anything by conecting any TP to any other of that "jack" |
| 14:59.49 | r00t|home | that's ridiculous... even nokia's internal docs mention the usb port is fragile... |
| 15:00.27 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: so why don't you know which is RxD (yet)? |
| 15:00.51 | DocScrutinizer | no, that's a hint for manually disabled to please notice that USB port is latched in the case hole |
| 15:01.32 | r00t|home | "Be aware of the sharp point of the dental tool - be careful not to injure yourself!" |
| 15:01.39 | r00t|home | ok, that seems to be a valid explanation |
| 15:01.57 | DocScrutinizer | r00t|home: because I'm still waiting for you paying the invoice for finding and documenting TX |
| 15:02.20 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: i'm sorry, i didn't receive the invoice, send again plz |
| 15:12.11 | peterbjornx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.30 | peterbjornx | is that bottom left pin of j2000 |
| 15:15.15 | r00t|home | txd is _trivial_ to find, if you have a 'scope, i'd re-check that anyway |
| 15:15.30 | r00t|home | just send data and find the pin it's being sent on |
| 15:15.30 | peterbjornx | well i cant rd mode my n900 |
| 15:15.33 | peterbjornx | no working usb |
| 15:15.47 | r00t|home | "rd mode"? |
| 15:16.04 | peterbjornx | r&d mode to enable serial console |
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| 15:16.42 | r00t|home | i'd assume the serial port is available as ttyS0 in linux userspace? |
| 15:17.47 | r00t|home | um... cat /dev/ttyS0 -> "io error" |
| 15:18.08 | peterbjornx | with default kernel its bound to console iirc |
| 15:19.00 | r00t|home | /proc/cmdline has "console=ttyMTD,log" for me |
| 15:20.45 | peterbjornx | weird |
| 15:20.52 | peterbjornx | mine is not assembled atm |
| 15:21.01 | peterbjornx | so i cant verify |
| 15:24.30 | r00t|home | dmesg appears to say the four ttyS ports are from the 16550 driver... that doesn't seem right |
| 15:25.08 | SpeedEvil | 16550 clones are common |
| 15:25.25 | peterbjornx | i have the rx51 board driver source open |
| 15:25.31 | peterbjornx | let me look it up |
| 15:25.58 | peterbjornx | static struct omap_uart_config rx51_uart_config = { |
| 15:25.58 | peterbjornx | .enabled_uarts= ((1 << 0) | (1 << 1) | (1 << 2)), |
| 15:25.58 | peterbjornx | }; |
| 15:26.23 | peterbjornx | dat lijken er maar 3 |
| 15:26.28 | peterbjornx | mayb 4 just isnt enabled |
| 15:27.13 | peterbjornx | oops |
| 15:27.19 | peterbjornx | that looks like only 3 |
| 15:27.30 | peterbjornx | is what i said |
| 15:27.36 | r00t|home | i see /dev/ttyS[1-4] on my device, no idea if they are static or were created by udev - all of them just return io error anyway |
| 15:27.51 | peterbjornx | hmm |
| 15:27.55 | peterbjornx | try a boot shell |
| 15:28.02 | peterbjornx | before anything runs |
| 15:28.11 | peterbjornx | brb dinner |
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| 15:33.51 | doc|home | http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-sues-htc-rim-and-viewsonic-for-patent-infringement-02225635/ |
| 15:34.33 | Proteous | it begins |
| 15:34.48 | Proteous | company going downhill? try to make moneys by sueing |
| 15:34.50 | flux | I wonder how much of that is because of "we're the legal department, you can't fire us because we're the moneymakers" :-) |
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| 16:01.43 | peterbjornx | root, you still workijng on serial |
| 16:01.44 | peterbjornx | ? |
| 16:01.51 | peterbjornx | try killall getty |
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| 16:04.31 | r00t|home | peterbjornx: /dev/ttyGS[0-2] , see http://ibot.rikers.org/%23maemo/20101201.html.gz |
| 16:06.29 | peterbjornx | ah |
| 16:06.31 | peterbjornx | but |
| 16:06.38 | peterbjornx | ttyS0 is the debug port on n900 |
| 16:06.48 | peterbjornx | its in use by getty ;) |
| 16:07.16 | merlin1991 | where is the definite list of maemo council candidates? |
| 16:07.22 | merlin1991 | afaik it shoudl have been out yesterday |
| 16:09.59 | r00t|home | damn phone won't boot without the third battery contact connected... ;) |
| 16:10.22 | peterbjornx | never needed 3rd contact on mine |
| 16:11.20 | r00t|home | it shows the nokia logo for a while and then shuts off |
| 16:11.56 | r00t|home | also, i have entries for getty on ttyS0 in etc/inittab, but commented out, none running |
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| 16:14.21 | peterbjornx | upstart ;) |
| 16:14.32 | r00t|home | none running, i said |
| 16:14.34 | peterbjornx | event.d |
| 16:14.41 | peterbjornx | inittab is ignored |
| 16:15.02 | r00t|home | ok, my OTHER n900 boots with externally hooked up battery (only two pins), weird |
| 16:15.12 | r00t|home | still, no getty running |
| 16:15.39 | peterbjornx | mayb different nolo rev |
| 16:16.57 | r00t|home | the second one also doesnt have the green text on the nokia logo screen |
| 16:17.19 | peterbjornx | thats r&dmode |
| 16:17.21 | peterbjornx | the green text |
| 16:17.28 | r00t|home | ah |
| 16:17.46 | r00t|home | min had that enabled sice i got it, bought used |
| 16:18.35 | r00t|home | ok, device a, no green text, with external battery shuts down after showing the nokia logo |
| 16:19.00 | r00t|home | device b, green text, boots with external battery, but is not stuck at the 5-dots screen... |
| 16:19.51 | r00t|home | but backupmenu works... |
| 16:20.22 | ShadowJK_ | external battery? |
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| 16:20.52 | r00t|home | ShadowJK_: battery hooked up with wires, so i can get to the debug port with the device running |
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| 16:21.01 | ShadowJK_ | ah |
| 16:21.30 | r00t|home | i used the battery holder from a battery charger and soldered wires with micro-clips to it |
| 16:27.40 | r00t|home | ok, phone running, shell open, scope ready |
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| 16:31.55 | peterbjornx | nice |
| 16:35.46 | r00t|home | is it just me, or is the usb/serial console (via backupmenu) rather flaky? it drops characters all the time, or hangs completely... |
| 16:36.08 | peterbjornx | idk |
| 16:36.13 | peterbjornx | but did you get rx? |
| 16:37.09 | r00t|home | still need to find the right serial port device, then tx, THEN rx |
| 16:41.03 | r00t|home | any suggestions welcome |
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| 16:44.18 | peterbjornx | ttyS0 should be it |
| 16:44.29 | peterbjornx | does maemo boot in qmeu? |
| 16:46.04 | r00t|home | ~ # yes >/dev/ttyS0 |
| 16:46.05 | r00t|home | yes: Input/output error |
| 16:47.26 | peterbjornx | ps -A |
| 16:47.52 | r00t|home | ok, the ttyGS devices are the n900-end of the ttyACM device it seems |
| 16:48.50 | r00t|home | ~ # ls -l /proc/*/fd/* 2>/dev/null | grep ttyS |
| 16:48.50 | r00t|home | ~ # |
| 16:48.50 | infobot | # is, like, pound, or hash, or sometimes the number sign. a tic-tac-toe board, or octothorpe |
| 16:49.08 | r00t|home | there IS NO GETTY running, i can paste the process list in a query if you insist |
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| 16:49.44 | peterbjornx | ok |
| 16:50.15 | r00t|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.15 | r00t|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.15 | r00t|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.15 | r00t|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.15 | r00t|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.16 | r00t|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.18 | r00t|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.20 | r00t|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.22 | r00t|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.24 | r00t|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.26 | r00t|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.28 | r00t|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.30 | r00t|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.22 | peterbjornx | weird |
| 16:51.37 | tank-man | ls |
| 16:51.38 | peterbjornx | what are the minor,major ids of your ttySes |
| 16:52.10 | r00t|home | crw-rw---- 1 root 20 4, 64 Jan 1 1970 /dev/ttyS0 |
| 16:52.10 | r00t|home | crw-rw---- 1 root 20 4, 65 Jan 1 1970 /dev/ttyS1 |
| 16:52.24 | r00t|home | crw-rw---- 1 root 20 250, 0 Jan 1 1970 /dev/ttyGS0 |
| 16:52.25 | r00t|home | crw-rw---- 1 root 20 250, 1 Jan 1 1970 /dev/ttyGS1 |
| 16:56.14 | r00t|home | any new suggestions? else i'll boot my phone back into normal mode for now... |
| 16:56.35 | peterbjornx | does it tell what io error? |
| 16:57.18 | r00t|home | i don't have strace installed |
| 16:57.47 | peterbjornx | try |
| 16:57.55 | peterbjornx | minicom |
| 16:57.57 | peterbjornx | or getty |
| 16:58.04 | peterbjornx | maybe its not initialized yet |
| 17:01.06 | r00t|home | 'getty 115200 /dev/ttyS0' runs, but i can't verify if it does anything... 'yes >/dev/ttyS0' still goes io error with getty running and after killing it |
| 17:01.31 | peterbjornx | let me google it |
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| 17:11.35 | peterbjornx | weird |
| 17:11.37 | r00t|home | peterbjornx: does "omap-serial" make any sense? http://omappedia.org/wiki/Kernel_UART |
| 17:13.02 | r00t|home | the service manual indicates that there are three uarts, one on the test pads, one unused, and one connected to "BT/FM" |
| 17:13.54 | peterbjornx | still that shouldnt matter for usermode access |
| 17:14.10 | r00t|home | well, omap-serial is not present |
| 17:14.15 | peterbjornx | let me reassemble my n900 and look for a way to spam the serial port |
| 17:14.21 | peterbjornx | it can do serial output |
| 17:14.24 | peterbjornx | from console |
| 17:14.31 | peterbjornx | so why not like this? |
| 17:14.40 | peterbjornx | waitt a minute |
| 17:14.48 | r00t|home | define "from console" |
| 17:14.52 | peterbjornx | they have to be initialized |
| 17:14.55 | peterbjornx | kernel console |
| 17:15.02 | peterbjornx | in research and development mode |
| 17:15.16 | peterbjornx | console=ttyS0 is also passed |
| 17:16.09 | r00t|home | yeah, i also saw that... |
| 17:16.10 | r00t|home | ~ # cat /proc/cmdline |
| 17:16.10 | r00t|home | init=/sbin/preinit ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6 |
| 17:16.45 | peterbjornx | do you have a phone in r&d mode? |
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| 17:18.00 | r00t|home | the one i am using right now |
| 17:18.29 | peterbjornx | then enable serial port using flasher-3.5 |
| 17:18.50 | r00t|home | link? |
| 17:19.11 | peterbjornx | connect it in update mode as if you were to flash it |
| 17:19.37 | r00t|home | i never flashed it... can't be done from the device itself? |
| 17:20.15 | peterbjornx | then how did u set r&d mode? |
| 17:20.30 | peterbjornx | do this when its connected: flasher-3.5 --set-rd-flags=serial-console |
| 17:21.15 | r00t|home | as i said before, it seems i bought the phone with r&d already enabled |
| 17:21.21 | peterbjornx | okay |
| 17:21.28 | peterbjornx | are you on windows or linux |
| 17:22.28 | r00t|home | linux |
| 17:22.56 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Treasure Hunter Says He Has Located Bin Laden's Body |
| 17:23.02 | RST38h | OMG OMG OMG |
| 17:23.16 | r00t|home | "treasure"... |
| 17:23.22 | peterbjornx | download flasher |
| 17:23.35 | r00t|home | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz ? |
| 17:26.48 | peterbjornx | yes |
| 17:27.39 | r00t|home | # ./flasher-3.5 --set-rd-flags=serial-console |
| 17:27.39 | r00t|home | flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) |
| 17:27.39 | r00t|home | USB device found found at bus 001, device address 118. |
| 17:27.39 | r00t|home | Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2101 |
| 17:27.39 | r00t|home | NOLO version 1.4.14 |
| 17:27.39 | r00t|home | Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_MR0 |
| 17:27.41 | r00t|home | # |
| 17:28.27 | peterbjornx | reboot device and it should be printing console to serial |
| 17:28.28 | peterbjornx | :) |
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| 17:34.05 | r00t|home | i still have the problem that it doesn't boot up in normal mode with the external battery setup |
| 17:34.28 | peterbjornx | even bootloader dumps info :) |
| 17:34.44 | peterbjornx | else, just connect 3rd pin |
| 17:34.57 | r00t|home | 3rd? |
| 17:35.09 | peterbjornx | battery |
| 17:35.37 | r00t|home | i have no battery holder with 3 pins, would have to build something first |
| 17:36.09 | DocScrutinizer | well, you need R&D enabled anyway, to make debug UART powered up |
| 17:36.35 | r00t|home | as we said, that had been enabled all along |
| 17:36.53 | DocScrutinizer | logging to UART during boot is happening always, when R&D and console enabled via flasher |
| 17:37.21 | DocScrutinizer | in R&D mode it won't check for BSI |
| 17:37.33 | DocScrutinizer | so I don't get your problem |
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| 17:37.59 | r00t|home | it gets stuck at the animated five dots |
| 17:38.01 | r00t|home | don't ask me |
| 17:38.15 | peterbjornx | that doesnt matter |
| 17:38.36 | peterbjornx | its output shitloads of data over debug before that happens |
| 17:39.31 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
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| 17:40.26 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking/serial_dump |
| 17:41.53 | peterbjornx | r00t|home, are you still here? |
| 17:43.11 | peterbjornx | why is no one reverse engineering nolo |
| 17:43.35 | peterbjornx | its a pity to be stuck with such a low level "blackbox"component |
| 17:43.41 | DocScrutinizer | because it's too demanding |
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| 17:44.04 | DocScrutinizer | ack for the pity |
| 17:44.07 | r00t|home | probing debug port is worse than watching porn - no hands free for typing... |
| 17:44.18 | r00t|home | i think i have something that looks like txd now |
| 17:44.56 | r00t|home | i get some transmissions there while the nokia logo is displayed |
| 17:45.02 | DocScrutinizer | BEWARE of max voltage on those pins! |
| 17:45.19 | r00t|home | what's the voltage on my multimeter probe? |
| 17:45.32 | DocScrutinizer | feeding 3V3 to it already seems to fry things |
| 17:45.40 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: also, there is a 5 volts output right next to those pins... |
| 17:45.59 | DocScrutinizer | hmm indeed |
| 17:46.19 | peterbjornx | input actually |
| 17:46.22 | peterbjornx | its VBUS iirc |
| 17:46.31 | peterbjornx | the v+ pin from usb |
| 17:46.32 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 17:46.50 | r00t|home | yeah, it measures 5 volts only with usb connected |
| 17:47.06 | DocScrutinizer | or with booston running ;-D |
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| 17:47.30 | r00t|home | peterbjornx: well, txd... i'll rather not try to describe it, but mark it on a picture |
| 17:47.43 | r00t|home | next we need a reliable way to read input for finding rxd...? |
| 17:47.53 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, voltage of that UART likely being 2V8 |
| 17:48.07 | r00t|home | it looks like it was even less, on my scope |
| 17:48.29 | DocScrutinizer | I'll recheck |
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| 17:48.37 | peterbjornx | cat /dev/ttyS0 if that were working |
| 17:48.45 | peterbjornx | wait |
| 17:48.57 | peterbjornx | do you have a levelshifter? |
| 17:49.16 | r00t|home | not for <3.3v |
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| 17:49.22 | peterbjornx | ok |
| 17:49.38 | peterbjornx | ttyS0 should work with rd mode on |
| 17:49.43 | peterbjornx | its used by nokia too |
| 17:49.44 | r00t|home | the peaks of the signal i am seeing for what is likelty rxd are only 200mV... |
| 17:49.49 | r00t|home | *likely |
| 17:50.20 | r00t|home | maybe i'm using the wrong ground... (the shield inside the battery compartment right now...) |
| 17:50.24 | peterbjornx | how did you determine it? |
| 17:50.27 | peterbjornx | WRONNG |
| 17:50.29 | r00t|home | scope |
| 17:50.33 | peterbjornx | thats a bad gnd |
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| 17:50.49 | r00t|home | it's a batter gnd than the battery negative terminal |
| 17:51.14 | r00t|home | and i'm not going to hold two probes into the debug port... |
| 17:51.22 | peterbjornx | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.23 | DocScrutinizer | might be even 1.8V |
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| 17:52.16 | r00t|home | i guess i'll cut out the shield metal between the ports, and then solder wires... |
| 17:52.45 | DocScrutinizer | oufff |
| 17:53.02 | DocScrutinizer | battery minus is not GND! |
| 17:53.03 | r00t|home | ? |
| 17:53.37 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: it's connected to the shield at least... and to a bunch of pins on the debug port |
| 17:53.58 | r00t|home | with low enough impedance for my multimeter to consider them connected, at least |
| 17:54.05 | DocScrutinizer | no, it isn't |
| 17:54.28 | DocScrutinizer | the impedance is at very least sth like 20mOhm |
| 17:54.40 | DocScrutinizer | USB has proper GND |
| 17:54.44 | peterbjornx | im using the debug pins for gnd |
| 17:54.46 | DocScrutinizer | battery hasn't |
| 17:54.47 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: 200mOhm is below what a multimeter can reasonably measure |
| 17:55.02 | peterbjornx | yes but there might be other electrical properties |
| 17:55.04 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: and won't make a difference for measuring the uart signal |
| 17:55.07 | peterbjornx | capacitance |
| 17:55.25 | peterbjornx | you are dealing with relatively high frequencies |
| 17:55.37 | r00t|home | peterbjornx: a uart isn't high frequency |
| 17:55.38 | DocScrutinizer | r00t|home: again wrong. if you also have battery connected across same impedance |
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| 17:56.16 | DocScrutinizer | use the goddamn USB shield! |
| 17:56.20 | DocScrutinizer | it's true GND |
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| 17:57.04 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/02/nokia_patent_suits/ |
| 17:57.11 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: i'll try just to show you it doesn't make a difference... |
| 17:57.13 | peterbjornx | r00t , relatively high |
| 17:57.35 | peterbjornx | 115200 baud |
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| 17:57.45 | DocScrutinizer | r00t|home: you won't show anything to a EE with 40 years of experience |
| 17:57.50 | peterbjornx | thats over 100khz |
| 17:57.57 | peterbjornx | so it might make a difference |
| 17:57.58 | r00t|home | i wonder how long until i mix up the battery clips and blow up my phone... |
| 17:58.33 | peterbjornx | might be a nice guide |
| 17:58.40 | peterbjornx | protection diode mod |
| 17:58.52 | peterbjornx | a led over the pins in inverse direction |
| 17:59.13 | peterbjornx | and something to prevent overvoltage |
| 17:59.30 | r00t|home | peterbjornx: so the led blows first, and then, 2ms later, the phone? ;) |
| 17:59.46 | peterbjornx | that fast? |
| 18:00.11 | peterbjornx | and a diode between b+ and actual b+ |
| 18:00.13 | r00t|home | dunoo... try yourself |
| 18:00.26 | peterbjornx | ive blown up a n900 once and as they are getting more rare by the day it might be a good idea to prevent killing more |
| 18:00.31 | r00t|home | can't put a diode there, too much voltage drop, and breaks charging |
| 18:01.06 | DocScrutinizer | use your best tool! your *brain* |
| 18:01.19 | peterbjornx | true |
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| 18:01.33 | peterbjornx | but the idea is good isnt it |
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| 18:02.29 | DocScrutinizer | the idea would work if your diode would clamp to <~1V @ >2A |
| 18:02.51 | DocScrutinizer | then battery protection would cut out when you reverse polarity |
| 18:02.53 | r00t|home | bigass diode... |
| 18:06.35 | r00t|home | i'd guess this is TxD... just the low voltage is weird... http://www.constancy.org/~r00t/IMG_9243.JPG |
| 18:07.41 | DocScrutinizer | project steps: a) find testpoint TX (by monitoring http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking/serial_dump). b) find /dev/ttyX that also sends to same TX TP. c) now *read* from that tty while feeding some signal of appropriate level to other TP under investigation for RX |
| 18:07.49 | peterbjornx | try the one underneath it in the picture |
| 18:08.11 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: sure |
| 18:09.35 | DocScrutinizer | _OR_: you find the RX pin of SoC, tell me which one it is, and I check with DMM on this one: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/platine_01.jpeg |
| 18:09.57 | r00t|home | peterbjornx: right, the one below has a good signal! |
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| 18:10.24 | r00t|home | peterbjornx: i was going by the "number 5" and testing the pins that might be #5 |
| 18:10.46 | peterbjornx | i was too |
| 18:10.55 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: no pintout for the SOC? |
| 18:10.59 | peterbjornx | but right above it says pin "1" isnt part of the group |
| 18:11.18 | peterbjornx | the 35 one has a datasheet online |
| 18:11.19 | DocScrutinizer | sure, somewhere at UM from TI |
| 18:11.33 | r00t|home | peterbjornx: really stupid way to number pins anyway... |
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| 18:12.40 | DocScrutinizer | guys, we haven't invented that numbering |
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| 18:13.01 | r00t|home | no, the author of the wiki page did? |
| 18:13.05 | DocScrutinizer | it's from Nokia_N900_RX-51_Schematics.pdf |
| 18:13.09 | r00t|home | ewww |
| 18:13.22 | DocScrutinizer | r00t|home: that'd be basically me, partially |
| 18:14.54 | r00t|home | anyway... here's the actual TxD now: http://www.constancy.org/~r00t/IMG_9246.JPG |
| 18:15.40 | peterbjornx | found a pinout |
| 18:15.40 | r00t|home | which is 2.8V |
| 18:15.45 | peterbjornx | ti3530 datasheet |
| 18:15.51 | peterbjornx | most pins match :) |
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| 18:17.09 | peterbjornx | tx: e26 rx: f28 |
| 18:17.42 | peterbjornx | wait |
| 18:17.53 | peterbjornx | nvm |
| 18:18.01 | peterbjornx | those pinouts are valid |
| 18:18.12 | peterbjornx | http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/sprs507f/sprs507f.pdf -- for a different soc |
| 18:18.18 | peterbjornx | but pincompatible :) |
| 18:19.27 | DocScrutinizer | refresh http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports |
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| 18:23.19 | DocScrutinizer | refresh http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports :-D |
| 18:24.08 | RST38h | Ok, Nokia is now officially in the business of patent trolling. |
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| 18:24.16 | RST38h | Logical conclusion of events, yes |
| 18:24.19 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: better upload the image to the wiki... |
| 18:24.36 | DocScrutinizer | I'd like to IF I knew how ;-D |
| 18:24.43 | r00t|home | heh |
| 18:24.45 | RST38h | Why build your own products, or even try selling Microsoft's? |
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| 18:29.13 | r00t|home | ok, this also works now, from the backupmenu shell, apparanly because of enabling the serial console: ~ # yes >/dev/ttyS0 |
| 18:29.54 | peterbjornx | nice |
| 18:30.06 | peterbjornx | so, try cat /dev/ttyS0 |
| 18:30.15 | r00t|home | patience, patience, ... :P |
| 18:30.18 | peterbjornx | with the yes running in bg :_ |
| 18:30.19 | peterbjornx | :) |
| 18:31.46 | r00t|home | rxd is pin 4, by whatever weird logic |
| 18:34.09 | peterbjornx | so confirmed ? |
| 18:34.16 | r00t|home | y |
| 18:34.16 | r00t|home | [ 516.770996] SysRq : HELP : loglevel0-8 reB[ 51y |
| 18:34.19 | peterbjornx | then what is pin 2 |
| 18:34.46 | peterbjornx | pin1 = gnd ,2 = ? ,3 = VBUS, 4 = RX, 5 = TX |
| 18:34.57 | DocScrutinizer | **HATES** auto-capitalization of all page names incl URLs |
| 18:36.51 | r00t|home | no, no, counted the wrong way |
| 18:37.02 | peterbjornx | :o |
| 18:37.15 | peterbjornx | picture please? |
| 18:37.21 | r00t|home | no :P |
| 18:37.24 | peterbjornx | so no confusion |
| 18:37.31 | peterbjornx | or edit wiki Ascii art |
| 18:38.26 | r00t|home | this is serial loopback: http://www.constancy.org/~r00t/IMG_9251.JPG |
| 18:38.52 | r00t|home | is that my imei on there? ... |
| 18:39.34 | peterbjornx | looks like it |
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| 18:45.46 | r00t|home | i created an account on garage as instructed, but it doesn't seem to work on the wiki... |
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| 18:51.12 | DocScrutinizer | bro, this sucks... (wiki upload of photos, etc) |
| 18:51.20 | DocScrutinizer | anyway |
| 18:51.23 | DocScrutinizer | refresh http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports :-D |
| 18:51.50 | peterbjornx | add the rx |
| 18:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 18:52.00 | DocScrutinizer | ?? |
| 18:52.13 | r00t|home | good thing the probe is coverting the imei on that one ;) |
| 18:52.18 | peterbjornx | this is serial loopback: http://www.constancy.org/~r00t/IMG_9251.JPG |
| 18:52.25 | r00t|home | <r00t|home> this is serial loopback: http://www.constancy.org/~r00t/IMG_9251.JPG |
| 18:52.31 | r00t|home | wait, let me edit that one first |
| 18:53.24 | DocScrutinizer | YES pretty please! edit it to 1/3 of pixel size, to make it more like 250k raher than 2M |
| 18:53.42 | r00t|home | those were just 1:1 off my digicam... i never inteneded to post them anyway |
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| 18:59.18 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: http://www.constancy.org/~r00t/n900_uart_loopback.jpg |
| 18:59.31 | r00t|home | working on TxD |
| 18:59.56 | r00t|home | (note: when inlining the picture in the wiki, you can have the wiki scale it down - RTFM or tell me why i can't login) |
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| 19:03.13 | freemangordon | meh, nemo is slow as hell on n900, it takes 15 seconds to launch the calculator. WTF? |
| 19:03.45 | RST38h | n900 is short onmemory |
| 19:03.53 | RST38h | run it on some other hw |
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| 19:04.10 | freemangordon | nope, it uses only 38 mb of swap |
| 19:04.53 | freemangordon | right now free shows 27MB free ram, and 34MB of swap |
| 19:05.33 | freemangordon | on fremantle my swap is usually around 130MB |
| 19:05.39 | freemangordon | it is not the ram |
| 19:05.51 | freemangordon | it *might* be my sd card |
| 19:06.29 | freemangordon | which is very slow on random writes, but still 12MB/s on sequental |
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| 19:08.05 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: http://www.constancy.org/~r00t/n900_uart_txd.jpg |
| 19:10.22 | Sicelo | \o/ r00t|home |
| 19:11.14 | DocScrutinizer | r00t|home: you can't even upload files >150k, and that's all sane |
| 19:11.44 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: i'd prefer to upload a large-enough-to-reuse version, and inline a scaled down view... |
| 19:11.54 | r00t|home | but ok, i guess whoever runs that site doesn't agreei |
| 19:11.56 | r00t|home | *agree |
| 19:12.04 | r00t|home | i'll make smaller versions then |
| 19:12.26 | r00t|home | still, tell me why i can't login and upload myself... are the wiki accounts synced by a nightly job or something? |
| 19:14.27 | r00t|home | but it's impossible to include both the scope screen AND have the probe location clearly visible in 150k... |
| 19:15.08 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: http://www.constancy.org/~r00t/n900_uart_loopback_small.jpg |
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| 19:18.53 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: http://www.constancy.org/~r00t/n900_uart_txd_small.jpg |
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| 19:21.17 | DocScrutinizer | r00t|home: I dunno |
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| 19:22.27 | DocScrutinizer | I basically finished editing that page, I think it maybe doesn't need the additional small pictures above, or at least I'd not embed them but rather link to them |
| 19:22.37 | MohammadAG | too.. many... quits/joins |
| 19:22.51 | MohammadAG | Sazpaimon, you good now? :P |
| 19:22.56 | DocScrutinizer | none here ;-P |
| 19:23.03 | MohammadAG | STFU /ignore-r :P |
| 19:23.24 | DocScrutinizer | checks chanlog |
| 19:24.13 | DocScrutinizer | shall I temporarily ban him? |
| 19:24.18 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: do you have a picture of the other side of the bare n900 pcb? it'd make a nice base for a pinout picture to replace the ascii-art |
| 19:24.26 | Sazpaimon | freenode keeps killing my connection when I join too many channels |
| 19:24.35 | Sazpaimon | kinda lame |
| 19:24.37 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/ |
| 19:24.49 | MohammadAG | N900 terrorism at its best |
| 19:25.23 | r00t|home | ah, the one you linked was the right side anyway |
| 19:25.36 | MohammadAG | and this is exploded http://www.phoneworkshop.com/wp-content/uploads/N900-Exploded-View.png :P |
| 19:25.45 | DocScrutinizer | I'd suggest to keep the ASCII art |
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| 19:26.45 | r00t|home | i maybe wouldn't remove it, but it's not very useful for finding the points on the device :P |
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| 19:27.43 | MohammadAG | r00t|home, if it's any help to you http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/n900-disassembly |
| 19:28.04 | MohammadAG | hate dust? sue Israel |
| 19:28.11 | r00t|home | heh |
| 19:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | r00t|home: how hard is finding the TP on device, given we already have that one picture of yours? |
| 19:28.32 | r00t|home | not anymore |
| 19:28.45 | r00t|home | but it'd be nice to have a clean picture with all (known) pins labeled |
| 19:28.49 | MohammadAG | TP? |
| 19:29.02 | DocScrutinizer | TestPoints |
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| 19:29.21 | DocScrutinizer | refresh http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports |
| 19:29.39 | MohammadAG | ah |
| 19:29.51 | MohammadAG | about dust |
| 19:29.58 | MohammadAG | how do I clean a PCB without damaging stuff? |
| 19:30.07 | r00t|home | dishwasher! |
| 19:30.18 | DocScrutinizer | pressurized air for dust |
| 19:30.35 | MohammadAG | wouldn't that break the USB port? :P |
| 19:30.47 | MohammadAG | r00t|home, I've already ovened my iPhone, not using another kitchen utility :P |
| 19:30.53 | DocScrutinizer | maybe a brush (not too hard, toothbrush about right) |
| 19:30.54 | r00t|home | lol |
| 19:30.55 | MohammadAG | it was painful, but it fixed the problem |
| 19:31.04 | MohammadAG | 190C for 2 mins |
| 19:31.17 | MohammadAG | over fan was off |
| 19:31.20 | r00t|home | painful to you, or the phone? |
| 19:31.23 | MohammadAG | me |
| 19:31.37 | MohammadAG | I was in the shower and a phone call came in, I answered it and apparently water got into the earpiece |
| 19:31.56 | MohammadAG | the volume decreased a LOT and the sound was distorted |
| 19:32.05 | MohammadAG | I figured a hairdryer would cause more problems |
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| 19:32.24 | freemangordon | RST38h, NFC what is going on, but fennec starts almost as fast as the calculator (16 vs 12 secs) |
| 19:32.46 | MohammadAG | calculator takes 12s? |
| 19:32.51 | freemangordon | yep |
| 19:32.55 | MohammadAG | the fuck |
| 19:33.13 | peterbjornx | yay, got my diy usb connector + rs232 working |
| 19:33.36 | r00t|home | peterbjornx: that was quick |
| 19:33.37 | freemangordon | and in the meanwhile meego-qml-launcher uses 100% CPU |
| 19:33.38 | peterbjornx | no protection circuitry but it works |
| 19:33.57 | MohammadAG | freemangordon, this isn't Maemo 5 then? |
| 19:34.04 | freemangordon | so long to the lack of RAM story :( |
| 19:34.17 | freemangordon | nome |
| 19:34.21 | freemangordon | *nemo |
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| 19:35.30 | freemangordon | MohammadAG, of course it is not fremantle, if it takes 12 seconds for the calculator to start, I will fire Pali :D |
| 19:36.26 | freemangordon | take 3 seconds in fremantle, and it is Qt too, something is terribly wrong in nemo, meego, or whatever is the name now |
| 19:36.39 | SpeedEvil | Oh - not the stock calc |
| 19:36.43 | SpeedEvil | I was about to say |
| 19:36.46 | freemangordon | no, the CSSU one |
| 19:37.01 | freemangordon | gtk one should be faster |
| 19:37.39 | r00t|home | peterbjornx: what are you using the uart port for? |
| 19:38.07 | DocScrutinizer | (sth terribly wrong in mer/meego/nemo) well, so nothing new really |
| 19:38.37 | peterbjornx | going to use it for debugging other phones |
| 19:38.55 | DocScrutinizer | o.O?? |
| 19:39.14 | peterbjornx | and i can connect it to a microcontroller now |
| 19:39.22 | r00t|home | peterbjornx: heh... so no need for a 2.8V level shifter? ;) |
| 19:39.27 | peterbjornx | yea |
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| 19:39.54 | peterbjornx | for uC id need a shifter |
| 19:40.03 | r00t|home | for a uC, i'd find a bluetooth interface more handy |
| 19:40.17 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer: but, but... it is the same API. Ok Qml on top of Qt, but even with it. cutetube-qml takes 4 seconds to launch in freantle |
| 19:40.22 | freemangordon | *fremantle |
| 19:40.59 | DocScrutinizer | qml :-x |
| 19:41.25 | freemangordon | cutetube-qml is qml too (as the name imposes) |
| 19:42.14 | DocScrutinizer | for anything I find a USB dongle way more handy |
| 19:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | debug UART on N900 is mad useful for bootloader and lowlevel kernel hacking |
| 19:43.58 | MohammadAG | freemangordon, now time sociality |
| 19:44.43 | freemangordon | about 4-5 seconds |
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| 19:45.11 | MohammadAG | sociality can't be slower than cutetube-qml |
| 19:45.23 | freemangordon | it is |
| 19:45.52 | MohammadAG | something's messed up |
| 19:46.04 | MohammadAG | or DBus is slowing it down |
| 19:46.06 | DocScrutinizer | sorry when I glare and frown at Nokia's NIH approach to duplicate android's JAVA-only app development |
| 19:46.11 | freemangordon | well, ok, it is a bit unfair, as my primary device is OC to 805, while the ine using nemo runs at stock, but still |
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| 19:47.06 | freemangordon | it takes about 16 seconds easy debian chroot to show me lxde desktop, an that time includes a button press |
| 19:47.20 | freemangordon | and 12 seconds for calculator. |
| 19:47.23 | freemangordon | in nemo |
| 19:47.47 | DocScrutinizer | and honestly before I drool at qml coming to maemo5, I rather hope for alien-dalvik getting ported to our platform |
| 19:48.05 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, qml is ok in fremantle |
| 19:48.45 | DocScrutinizer | it's abraindead concept, like dalvik |
| 19:49.13 | freemangordon | well, I am not arguing about the cooncept, but about the speed |
| 19:49.22 | DocScrutinizer | maybe |
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| 21:11.11 | Zucca | Oh. |
| 21:12.41 | Zucca | Great. |
| 21:13.10 | Zucca | Not flashing N900 today then... |
| 21:13.29 | Zucca | Error 349 (net::ERR_RESPONSE_HEADERS_MULTIPLE_CONTENT_DISPOSITION): Multiple Content-Disposition headers received. This is disallowed to protect against HTTP response splitting attacks. |
| 21:13.59 | Zucca | Thanks Nokia. \o/ |
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| 21:27.52 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.de/search?q=ERR_RESPONSE_HEADERS_MULTIPLE_CONTENT_DISPOSITION |
| 21:27.59 | DocScrutinizer | thanks chromium |
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| 21:36.33 | DocScrutinizer | Zucca: use a decent browser ;-P |
| 21:36.43 | DocScrutinizer | WTF? |
| 21:37.18 | DocScrutinizer | Zucca: fix your away msg! it's absolutely deprecated |
| 21:45.19 | DocScrutinizer | Zucca: and while you're at it, maybe your IRC client is as weird as your browser: " [CTCP] CTCP-VERSION-Antwort von Zucca empfangen: What? CLIENTINFO for available commands.." |
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| 21:54.31 | DocScrutinizer | Zucca: you might want to tell chrome devels on #chromium-support (esp the author of the post) that >> Comment 5 by willchan@chromium.org, Nov 14, 2011 Marking as WontFix because it is working as intended. You should fix the header field in your server.<< is *very* bad style, arrogant, and won't fly anyway. Mr Willchan nor any other Chrome devel will force the internet at large to fix their headers, nor will chrome users appreciate this |
| 21:54.32 | DocScrutinizer | policy in chrome. |
| 21:55.31 | r00t|home | <DocScrutinizer> Zucca: fix your away msg! it's absolutely deprecated |
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| 21:55.48 | r00t|home | the message did not appear in the channel... a notice is appropriate i'd say |
| 21:56.02 | DocScrutinizer | nope it's not |
| 21:56.12 | DocScrutinizer | well, maybe |
| 21:56.31 | DocScrutinizer | no mater what, the CTCP answer is BS anyway |
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| 21:58.53 | DocScrutinizer | r00t|home: a [notice} might be appropriate in /query, but not for highlighting him in channel |
| 22:04.04 | r00t|home | i'd say, when you try to talk to him, it's not completely inapproriate to send you a response |
| 22:04.47 | DocScrutinizer | r00t|home: basically virtually all automatic response to any channel action is deprecated |
| 22:05.25 | DocScrutinizer | no matter whether it's a notice, a replay (msg to chan) a /query, whatever |
| 22:05.35 | DocScrutinizer | reply* |
| 22:06.56 | DocScrutinizer | that's btw the reason why bots aren't allowed per se, but only when approved by chanop or owner |
| 22:09.13 | DocScrutinizer | the only action where a client is supposed to auto-answer is CTCP, and that is fsckdup too for Zucca's client |
| 22:18.57 | DocScrutinizer | r00t|home: btw it might be just due to +C chanmode that this notice didn't show up in channel |
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| 22:23.37 | r00t|home | Zucca: test |
| 22:24.02 | r00t|home | >> :Zucca!zucca@dsl-hkibrasgw4-fe54df00-80.dhcp.inet.fi NOTICE r00t|home :Sorry. I'm away. Since: 2012/05/03 0:32:07 Reason: "Away - Sleep" |
| 22:26.18 | r00t|home | not sent to channel |
| 22:31.29 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, thanks to the design and purpose of +C you don't see any notice sent to channel, so you have no way to tell if this client has sent a channel wide notice or not |
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| 22:35.17 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: i tried on another channel... in the irc protocol message you can see who was the target of the notice |
| 22:35.50 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* |
| 22:36.08 | DocScrutinizer | you won't see anything like that in *your* protocol |
| 22:37.19 | DocScrutinizer | really, I don't wanna waste lots of time in investigating _how_ terribly broken this IRC client actually is |
| 22:39.35 | DocScrutinizer | the fact it is sending me a [notice] on me highlighting the user in chan, _plus_ the user showing in my chan user list as "Zucca (CTCP USERINFO might tell more.)" where the (value) should be realname rather than a stupid info about non.standard CTCP interface... That's just enought to ask Zucca to goddamn fix that |
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| 22:46.22 | DocScrutinizer | glares at "trumee (Got ZNC?)", "venusaur (<see for yourself!>)", "speedevil (purple)", PeterWolf(purple)", ghjstdfdgf(hdgsfdgdhg), and of course at all *(unknown) and *(user) |
| 22:53.51 | DocScrutinizer | the special punchline in all this is: Zucca complained about a stupid intolerant reaction of his chrome browser to a not-exactly-standard HTML header sent by Nokia server, while his own IRC client obviously doesn't comply to (de facto?) CTCP standard |
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| 23:04.21 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: you have to admint though that ctcp isn't exactly part of the irc standard, it's somwhat of an extension |
| 23:05.37 | DocScrutinizer | I see that of 280 users, exactly one has such a bogus "realname" msg |
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| 23:06.29 | DocScrutinizer | and you can think 700 rather than 280, as I've never seen this on any of the other channels |
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| 23:07.36 | DocScrutinizer | it being an extension doesn't mean you are supposed to do with it whatever you think is hip |
| 23:08.39 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. implement your very own proprietary idea of CTCP |
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| 23:10.30 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-05-03 01:10:14] [CTCP] Sende CTCP-VERSION-Anfrage an merlin1991. |
| 23:10.31 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-05-03 01:10:14] [CTCP] CTCP-VERSION-Antwort von merlin1991 empfangen: Quassel IRC v0.6.3 (dist-de4dd62) (built on Oct 19 2011 21:33:07) -- http://www.quassel-irc.org. |
| 23:11.20 | merlin1991 | looks fine to me |
| 23:11.32 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-05-03 01:11:14] [CTCP] Sende CTCP-VERSION-Anfrage an Zucca. |
| 23:11.34 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-05-03 01:11:14] [Abwesend] Zucca ist abwesend: Away - Sleep |
| 23:11.35 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-05-03 01:11:15] [CTCP] CTCP-VERSION-Antwort von Zucca empfangen: What? CLIENTINFO for available commands.. |
| 23:12.11 | DocScrutinizer | looks like an asshat irc client developer's idea to me |
| 23:13.00 | merlin1991 | hm I'd like to see the ctcp rfc |
| 23:13.10 | merlin1991 | I think CLIENTINFO is part of it |
| 23:13.12 | merlin1991 | (and my client doesn't support it) |
| 23:14.06 | DocScrutinizer | whatever the rfc says, I'm damn sure there's no "What? CLIENTINFO for available commands.." |
| 23:14.19 | merlin1991 | :D |
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| 23:15.13 | DocScrutinizer | and definitely no "CTCP USERINFO might tell more" |
| 23:19.17 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: your client is free to ignore CTCP queries at your discretion. It's NOT supposed to answer BS to well known defacto standard CTCP queries |
| 23:22.40 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-05-03 01:22:02] [CTCP] CTCP-CLIENTVERSION-Antwort von Zucca empfangen: irssi ver. 0.8.15 on zelan.zapto.org. |
| 23:22.53 | DocScrutinizer | 0.8.15 yeah suuuure |
| 23:23.53 | merlin1991 | well 0.8.15 is out already |
| 23:24.36 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: sounded like a hoax to me, 08-15 |
| 23:25.09 | merlin1991 | that's a german thing ;) |
| 23:25.51 | DocScrutinizer | anyway it seems to me there are more irssi users, and none of them is answering with "CTCP USERINFO might tell more" to my client's realname inquiry |
| 23:26.30 | merlin1991 | I wonder if that behaviour is a new clusterfuck introduced with 0.8.15 |
| 23:27.25 | DocScrutinizer | quite in line with new clusterfuck "Error 349" in chrome, which Zucca suffers from as well |
| 23:28.08 | DocScrutinizer | seems he got a truly poettering distro installed |
| 23:28.18 | merlin1991 | totally ot, but do you know a pop3 to imap "bridge" ? |
| 23:28.30 | merlin1991 | I'm tired of |
| 23:28.32 | merlin1991 | err |
| 23:28.36 | DocScrutinizer | umm, webservice? |
| 23:28.47 | merlin1991 | I'd prefer to run my own on my server :) |
| 23:29.03 | merlin1991 | so I was wondering if you have a tool name at hand :) |
| 23:29.21 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, my server answers both imap and pop3, but I admit it doesn't work nicely |
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| 23:30.03 | merlin1991 | my idea is to have my server poll several pop3 accounts over the net from myself and offer the accumulated mails over imap |
| 23:30.24 | merlin1991 | that's what I'd like to have ultimately .) |
| 23:30.37 | DocScrutinizer | the one of both locks maildir et al on my one client checking mail, and that causes the other one fail during the next 5 or 10 minutes, til that lock times out |
| 23:31.51 | DocScrutinizer | aah. well, nope. Nothing at hand right away. I'd think you can configure sendmail or any of the other MTA's to do exactly that |
| 23:33.34 | SpeedEvil | http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/04/01/nokia-ice-the-new-super-cool-phone/ - I hadn't seen :) |
| 23:40.03 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: apropos cyrus |
| 23:40.26 | merlin1991 | hm? |
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| 23:43.08 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: man cyrus-master |
| 23:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | I'd guess you'll find what you're looking for there |
| 23:45.25 | merlin1991 | duh the homepage suggests it is scaleable to large enterprises aka insanely hard to configure :D |
| 23:46.53 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, sounds like my "sysadmin" who worked for a internet provider and now does admin at BA-systemhaus |
