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| 00:37.25 | Pali | Hurrian, for specifing u-boot menu entry as first, see post: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1199785#post1199785 |
| 00:56.32 | Hurrian | ooh, that's cool, pali |
| 00:56.45 | Hurrian | with regards to reading config when slide is closed |
| 00:56.58 | Hurrian | since we're missing a place for u-boot to store config |
| 00:57.29 | Hurrian | shouldn't u-boot read bootmenu.scr every boot, closed slide or not, and only show bootmenu when slide is open |
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| 01:18.56 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders what might be Pali's native language |
| 01:20.29 | DocScrutinizer | more often than not I think "duh, did he really mean what I understood?" Example: >>This behaviour must be changed in u-boot binary.<< I *think* >>This behaviour *can* be changed *only* in u-boot binary.<< |
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| 01:21.11 | DocScrutinizer | if it *must* be changed, then don't talk, Pali, change it! |
| 01:24.35 | DocScrutinizer | I'd be more than happy to proofread relevant posts, and tell you what I understood from what you wrote |
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| 06:47.01 | user | hi, ive setup link via usb0 with n900 and laptop, so I thought why not to use n900s wifi internet with old compaq, but i got error when trying to use iptables :( |
| 06:48.24 | user | iptables: No chain/target/match by that name. |
| 06:48.25 | user | iptables v1.4.6: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) |
| 06:48.27 | user | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
| 06:48.36 | user | --- |
| 06:49.13 | user | iptables -A FORWARD -o usb0 -i wlan0 -s 192.168.1.0/24 -m conntrack --ctstate N |
| 06:49.14 | user | iptables -A FORWARD -m conntrack --ctstate ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 06:49.14 | user | iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE |
| 06:49.14 | user | ~ |
| 06:49.43 | user | help? |
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| 07:01.26 | user | anyone? |
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| 07:21.48 | Tony | hi |
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| 10:27.07 | Itschue | hello i need a command that let me see only files beginning with g |
| 10:27.49 | NIN101 | ls | grep ^g |
| 10:28.30 | Itschue | thank you |
| 10:30.56 | NIN101 | yw |
| 10:35.28 | BiggAl | or just at the command line, {command}{space}g{tab}{tab} |
| 10:35.46 | BiggAl | depending what you want the file for, and your shell |
| 10:36.50 | Itschue | i only wa looking if e secify file exists |
| 10:37.17 | BiggAl | cool |
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| 10:40.59 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Seized Memory Card Contained al Qaeda Documents Encoded in Porn! |
| 10:42.57 | BiggAl | heh |
| 10:43.24 | SpeedEvil | imagines morse-code thrusts. |
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| 11:08.56 | jpinx | is it possible to run vbox on maemo on the n900? |
| 11:11.39 | BiggAl | jinx why would you? |
| 11:11.47 | BiggAl | *jpinx |
| 11:12.06 | BiggAl | right - autocorrect is getting switched off |
| 11:12.15 | jpinx | I'm looking for a way to run bitlbee |
| 11:12.41 | jpinx | a vm running debian withou X - cl only would be fine |
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| 11:13.11 | jpinx | BiggAl: chroot doesn't seem to play nicely |
| 11:13.41 | DocScrutinizer | >>Seized Memory Card<<?? WTF! is a memeory card now a seize-able object? |
| 11:14.06 | BiggAl | jinx have you tries compiling from source? |
| 11:14.12 | BiggAl | jpinx |
| 11:14.28 | jpinx | BiggAl: no - never tried that for anything |
| 11:15.05 | BiggAl | never tried a vm as it would be so slow (you'd be emulating an intel CPU |
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| 11:15.34 | jpinx | Oh - yea - hadn't thought of that |
| 11:15.49 | jpinx | bugger- back to the drawing board. |
| 11:15.50 | BiggAl | Use the Source luke |
| 11:16.50 | BiggAl | I've not had any really issues compelling from source on maemo unless it's something really low-level like trying to compile python support into vim |
| 11:17.05 | BiggAl | but I was able to get python 2.7.2 on there from source |
| 11:18.06 | BiggAl | I'd just recommend that you make a copy of your root fs onto a memory card, chroot to it, and the optify it onto the root fs when you're done |
| 11:19.09 | jpinx | yea . I have my chroot on the sdcard |
| 11:20.23 | BiggAl | cool - and if it turns out to be really useful, don't forget to consider packaging it up |
| 11:21.04 | BiggAl | py2.7.2 turned out to be disappointing, as there's no way to get pyside compiled up for 2.7.2 :s |
| 11:21.29 | BiggAl | (well - pyside wasn't the issue, so much as qt) |
| 11:23.27 | jpinx | backs-up |
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| 11:37.05 | DocScrutinizer | >>Windows NT 4.0 running on N900!<< http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/serendipity/index.php?/archives/9-Windows-NT-4.0-running-on-N900!.html >>YouTube - KDE 4.2.1 running on Nokia n810<< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DThOHGb2rr0 >>Video: Two operating systems on one phone | IT PRO<< http://www.itpro.co.uk/609997/video-two-operating-systems-on-one-phone >>YouTube - VMware demo showing two OS WinCE<< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNo6pn- |
| 11:37.06 | DocScrutinizer | dnSQ |
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| 11:40.38 | DocScrutinizer | Running Mac OS X 10.3 on Nokia N900 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFjl3Ob3VpU |
| 11:43.28 | DocScrutinizer | oooh, and ~bm |
| 11:43.47 | DocScrutinizer | ~bm |
| 11:43.47 | infobot | i heard backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
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| 12:05.02 | BiggAl | DocScrutinizer performance does not look great for x86 stuff - not looksed at osx vid yet |
| 12:05.17 | DocScrutinizer | worse :-P |
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| 12:07.03 | DocScrutinizer | for a ballpark guestimate: N900 ~ as fast as my P-II300 Laptop. Any emu will decelerate by at least factor 5..10, maybe worse |
| 12:07.20 | DocScrutinizer | and no emu can emulate more RAM |
| 12:08.26 | BiggAl | meh - got mine running at about 1.1 GHz, but I think I won the builtd-quality lottery on mine |
| 12:08.52 | DocScrutinizer | no, you're about to win the darwin award |
| 12:10.31 | DocScrutinizer | ~omap-oc |
| 12:10.31 | infobot | well, omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 |
| 12:11.37 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.42 | BiggAl | temperature's pretty stable - it's my second unit - the first one I tried icing once, but it was buying up what I pushed one 700 |
| 12:12.09 | BiggAl | *oc ing |
| 12:12.11 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, and moonphase in in perfect sync with predictions |
| 12:12.16 | SpeedEvil | The temperature readout is not related to the processor |
| 12:12.21 | SpeedEvil | It's at the other end of the board |
| 12:12.39 | DocScrutinizer | plus it's irrelevant for OC anyway (basically) |
| 12:12.49 | BiggAl | but you can feel if the device is warmer than ambient |
| 12:12.56 | DocScrutinizer | so what? |
| 12:12.59 | BiggAl | it's been running this way for a few months |
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| 12:13.17 | DocScrutinizer | good, then you almost are thru with that CPU |
| 12:13.17 | BiggAl | I crank it down to 900 iuf I'm compiling C code |
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| 12:15.01 | DocScrutinizer | "I tuned my flashlight. I inserted Lithium cells instead alkaline, so the incandescent lamp now runs on 7V instead of 3V. Hey it's working since 2 hours like that, and the color of metal case hasn't changed at all" |
| 12:15.04 | BiggAl | If it dies it dies |
| 12:15.34 | BiggAl | nothing important on there |
| 12:17.03 | BiggAl | I was going to switch to an android decide because I found this painfully slow - OCing means I get to keep this going a bit longer |
| 12:17.12 | BiggAl | win-win |
| 12:17.20 | DocScrutinizer | it's just a few of us simply get angry hearing of others deliberately destroying their device, while we are desparately searching for *new* devices as we can't buy any used ones thanks to OCers probably ruined them and then selling them with 4 weeks lifetime left |
| 12:18.17 | BiggAl | ah it doesn't really work like that though does it - you're just increasing your risk factors |
| 12:18.41 | DocScrutinizer | plus OCing never been decently certified to bring any noticeable increase in speed during everyday usage |
| 12:18.55 | BiggAl | it's not like flash memory where you have so many read-write cycles then it's a brick |
| 12:19.36 | DocScrutinizer | au contraire, there have been quite decent scientific tests that suggest you need *at least* to double the clock speed to even *notice* any difference in everyday look and feel |
| 12:19.43 | BiggAl | not certified maybe, but it feels a hell of a lot more responsive - stuff opens much faster |
| 12:19.50 | DocScrutinizer | BiggAl: YES IT IS! |
| 12:20.24 | SpeedEvil | I disagree - if you're doing CPU bound stuff a lot, you can notice 30% |
| 12:20.31 | BiggAl | calm down, it's not like I would ever sell it anyway |
| 12:20.47 | DocScrutinizer | dear BiggAl, wuld you bother to read the link to TI Technical Manual I posted above - it's *exactly* like flash memory |
| 12:21.32 | BiggAl | I'm not going to tell everyone they should take risks, but I'm not ashamed that I'm taking a calculated risk based on my own circumstances |
| 12:21.49 | DocScrutinizer | CALCULATED??? |
| 12:21.55 | DocScrutinizer | based on which algo? |
| 12:22.24 | BiggAl | risk/reward/loss |
| 12:23.16 | BiggAl | I am taking a significant risk of my device being a brick. the reward is that I get to enjoy it until it is so. The risk is that I don't get very long as such |
| 12:23.34 | DocScrutinizer | you obviously got no faintest clue about the "risk", you even deny basic facts that are clearly written in terse algorithmic form in a URL I offered to your notice |
| 12:23.59 | BiggAl | what page? I'm not reading the whole thing |
| 12:24.03 | DocScrutinizer | while OTOH babbling nonsense about "temperatire" |
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| 12:24.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~debian BiggAl |
| 12:24.30 | infobot | ACTION tells BiggAl to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! |
| 12:24.56 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.20 | DocScrutinizer | what of "page 122 " was too hard to get it? |
| 12:25.27 | BiggAl | yes that is what is recommended |
| 12:26.04 | BiggAl | where does it say "basic facts that are clearly written in terse algorithmic form" |
| 12:26.14 | DocScrutinizer | no, that is what they found out about lifetime, in extensive tests |
| 12:27.10 | BiggAl | you know what - you care about this a lot more than I do - I will carry on doing what I am doing based on what I know, and you can carry on doing what you are based on what you know |
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| 12:28.08 | BiggAl | not every die off the assembly line is the same, they have different tolerances and there is an accepted level at which most will operate - those that operate at a lower level are classed as defective, those at a higher level are not |
| 12:28.25 | BiggAl | but that is all I have to dsay |
| 12:28.43 | BiggAl | I am taking a gamble, but I am willing to face the consequences if I lose the gamble |
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| 12:29.18 | BiggAl | draws a line under it |
| 12:29.52 | DocScrutinizer | stop spreading bullshit nonsense! |
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| 12:31.22 | DocScrutinizer | "not all incandescent bulbs falling off one assembly line are the same. Some will work at 3V and lableled like that, while others like mine are labebled 3V but happily work at 7V" |
| 12:35.23 | DocScrutinizer | and no Sir, that's no gamble. That's like taking a certain amount of mercury every day, hoping you are immune. And claiming you've seen no adverse effects after 6 weeks so you'll assume it's safe and nothing bad will happen to you |
| 12:36.29 | DocScrutinizer | there WILL BE adverse effects, as sure as your fuel tank of your car won't fill up by driving |
| 12:36.46 | BiggAl | No it's like having a 3V 40W bulb when you need 6W worth of light, so running it at 4.5 V until it runs out before buying a 60W bulb |
| 12:36.58 | BiggAl | *60W |
| 12:37.01 | DocScrutinizer | as sure as your flash memory doesn'T get better by rewrite cycles |
| 12:37.39 | DocScrutinizer | err yes, exactly |
| 12:37.42 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 12:37.50 | BiggAl | your power over analogies is crap as is your ability to hold an arguement - I'm not interested, and I don't know why you are |
| 12:38.03 | DocScrutinizer | thanks for supporting all my points in one completely messed up statement |
| 12:38.08 | BiggAl | so we agree that I'm aware of the gamble I am taking |
| 12:38.58 | BiggAl | I am gambling that my device will not last until there is a more desirable device on the market that there is currently, as I want to upgrade but want to hold out a bit |
| 12:39.53 | BiggAl | I don't claim that my device will last as long or longer than it would if I did not over clock it, however I do claim that it runs better in the mean time |
| 12:40.20 | DocScrutinizer | and I clearly made my point that you're basing your "gamble" on completely random unrelated and false assumtions |
| 12:40.59 | DocScrutinizer | like "temperature" and denying any constant wear |
| 12:42.03 | BiggAl | temperate is a useful indicator - also at higher temperature you will find more degradation |
| 12:43.05 | BiggAl | I really do not see what your argument was - you hid it so elegantly in really bad analogies |
| 12:43.33 | BiggAl | but I do not want to continue this discussion as it is blatantly not useful |
| 12:43.40 | DocScrutinizer | you have not the faintest clue, neither about the actual temperature nor about the general problem of electromigration that is actually what matters here, and what those "recommended operation conditions" are basically all about |
| 12:43.52 | BiggAl | I have nothing against you but I shall not be taking your advice on this topic |
| 12:45.15 | DocScrutinizer | I just told you that OC-fanboys with obviously not any clue about what they are doing are not welcome here to promote their 1337 OC achievements |
| 12:45.44 | BiggAl | I'm not promoting |
| 12:45.56 | BiggAl | I'm not an OC fanboy |
| 12:46.39 | BiggAl | and if I wanted to make 1337 acheivements I would buy an XBox rather than coming on IRC |
| 12:46.49 | BiggAl | I am sorry if you have got the wrong impress of me |
| 12:46.55 | BiggAl | *impression |
| 12:47.12 | DocScrutinizer | sorry too, let's just stop it |
| 12:47.14 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 12:47.17 | BiggAl | indeed |
| 12:47.20 | DocScrutinizer | it's really useless |
| 12:47.32 | DocScrutinizer | and most probably annoying to the channel |
| 12:47.42 | DocScrutinizer | (particularly my rant) |
| 12:47.49 | BiggAl | I have seen much of your useful input on other topic in IRC archives - I would hate to have any sort of ongoing feud |
| 12:48.07 | DocScrutinizer | no reason for any |
| 12:48.11 | BiggAl | *topics - I really hate this computer... |
| 12:48.41 | BiggAl | Why oh why did work give me an iMac.... |
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| 13:25.00 | mikey | FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT COCKBALLS COCKBALLS |
| 13:25.04 | mikey | FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT COCKBALLS COCKBALLS |
| 13:25.05 | mikey | FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT COCKBALLS COCKBALLS |
| 13:25.15 | mikey | FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT COCKBALLS COCKBALLS |
| 13:25.27 | mikey | where is my kickban |
| 13:25.54 | marienz | raises an eyebrow |
| 13:26.03 | mikey | uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu 5tugx huiofaeh;/zxf |
| 13:26.08 | BiggAl | why? |
| 13:26.14 | mikey | because it's tuesday |
| 13:26.19 | mikey | gotta get banned from a new channel |
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| 13:29.36 | BiggAl | ah my favourite way was always to join a channel that was its antithesis and start copying messages over, but then I was 13 - how old are you and should you really be on IRC? |
| 13:30.58 | mikey | I am 12 and use irssi |
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| 13:31.40 | mikey | 08:29 < BiggAl> ah my favourite way was always to join a channel that was its antithesis and start copying messages over, but then I was 13 - how old are you and should you really be on IRC? |
| 13:31.44 | mikey | 08:29 < BiggAl> ah my favourite way was always to join a channel that was its antithesis and start copying messages over, but then I was 13 - how old are you and should you really be on IRC? |
| 13:31.48 | mikey | 08:29 < BiggAl> ah my favourite way was always to join a channel that was its antithesis and start copying messages over, but then I was 13 - how old are you and should you really be on IRC? |
| 13:31.52 | mikey | 08:29 < BiggAl> ah my favourite way was always to join a channel that was its antithesis and start copying messages over, but then I was 13 - how old are you and should you really be on IRC? |
| 13:31.56 | mikey | 08:29 < BiggAl> ah my favourite way was always to join a channel that was its antithesis and start copying messages over, but then I was 13 - how old are you and should you really be on IRC? |
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| 13:32.23 | BiggAl | odd |
| 13:32.29 | marienz | somewhat! |
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| 21:16.56 | int_ua | I have a problem with non-latin input in Qt-based software and can't find a bug about it. Can anyone help me verify that it |
| 21:17.12 | int_ua | that it's a wide-spread bug |
| 21:17.19 | int_ua | ? |
| 21:17.43 | merlin1991 | gimme some steps and a binary and I can help :D |
| 21:18.17 | int_ua | merlin: Do you have qstardict or evopedia installed? |
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| 21:18.37 | int_ua | merlin1991:^ |
| 21:18.40 | merlin1991 | can install it |
| 21:19.25 | int_ua | what's interesting: Russian works just fine, but not Ukrainian |
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| 21:20.07 | merlin1991 | installed qstardict here on kubuntu, what now? |
| 21:20.38 | int_ua | wait, I'm talking about Nokia N900 |
| 21:21.26 | int_ua | I don't have this problem on desktop |
| 21:21.57 | merlin1991 | ah k |
| 21:22.12 | int_ua | "Български" and "Македонски" are affected too |
| 21:23.45 | int_ua | and they are working just fine outside of QT |
| 21:26.39 | freemangordon | int_ua, confirmed, instead of capital letters you have lowercase latin (or vice versa) |
| 21:27.28 | int_ua | freemangordon: ok, I'm filing a bug, but against which package? |
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| 21:29.10 | freemangordon | ok, you got capital letters in latin aphabet instead of capital in cyrillic. NFC which package, maybe it is qt-gui (or qt-core) |
| 21:29.32 | freemangordon | int_ua ^^^ |
| 21:29.48 | int_ua | thanks :) |
| 21:30.20 | freemangordon | int_ua, are you going to file a bug against qt in CSSU? |
| 21:31.09 | int_ua | freemangordon: yes, does it have a separate bug tracker? |
| 21:31.40 | int_ua | Is it "qt‑components"? |
| 21:31.55 | int_ua | on bugs.maemo.org |
| 21:32.29 | freemangordon | no idea, but I don't think it makes sense to open a bug against anything but CSSU, niokia won't fix it ;) |
| 21:32.42 | freemangordon | *nokia :D |
| 21:34.12 | int_ua | well, it won't get fixed for sure if I don't try :) |
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| 21:34.50 | freemangordon | int_ua, which Qt version do you use? |
| 21:34.57 | freemangordon | stock or CSSU one? |
| 21:35.27 | int_ua | I think it's CSSU, how can I verify that? |
| 21:35.43 | int_ua | I have CSSU 3.1 |
| 21:35.59 | int_ua | does Qt have separate CSSU packages? |
| 21:36.17 | freemangordon | so, you have Qt 4.7.4 and should open a bug against CSSU |
| 21:36.56 | freemangordon | CSSU upgrades Qt to 4.7.4 |
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| 21:37.18 | freemangordon | iirc Qt 4.7.0(stock one) also have the same bug |
| 21:37.49 | int_ua | yes, libqt4-* packages are 4.7.4~git201.... |
| 21:38.48 | freemangordon | so, you definitely should file a bug against CSSU |
| 21:44.36 | int_ua | freemangordon: "Component: general" ? |
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| 22:26.43 | int_ua | The bug about qt input: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12609 |
| 22:26.45 | povbot | 04Bug 12609: Problems with some non-latin layouts input in Qt-based software |
| 22:34.19 | int_ua | Anyone from OMP team? |
| 22:35.05 | int_ua | I'd like to add Ukrainian translation |
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| 23:38.00 | Ken-Young | I have bricked my N900. I have a recent backup made with backupmenu. When I try to restored the backup using backupmenu, I get the message "can't stat /usr/sbin/evkey", and the message "press any key to continue". All keys are ignored. Is there any way to recover from this? |
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| 23:53.15 | LaoLang_cool | The signal of calling isn't perfect on maemo |
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