| 00:00.01 | sobczyk_ | it's slow |
| 00:00.22 | sobczyk_ | I remember it was faster |
| 00:06.26 | r00t|home | conversations? i'd say: sqlite3 .rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db .dump >backup.sql ... |
| 00:07.16 | r00t|home | sqlite3 .calendar/calendardb .dump >calendar.sql |
| 00:07.31 | r00t|home | (don't ask me if those can be safely restored...) |
| 00:09.52 | sobczyk_ | went through, it was 250MB so I guess that's why so slow |
| 00:10.05 | sobczyk_ | anyone here uses battery patch? |
| 00:10.08 | r00t|home | wtf? 250mb of calendar/conversations? |
| 00:10.51 | sobczyk_ | it says it will OC the device to 805MHz, is that true? |
| 00:14.42 | r00t|home | non-versation? |
| 00:17.01 | sobczyk_ | r00t|home: ? |
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| 00:18.24 | robbiethe1st | So, has anyone seen the xolo 900? |
| 00:21.45 | sobczyk_ | x86 phone? |
| 00:21.59 | sobczyk_ | is that energy efficient compared to arm |
| 00:22.34 | robbiethe1st | Seems decent according to the reviews |
| 00:23.27 | sobczyk_ | I guess software can influence more than the hardware now |
| 00:23.37 | robbiethe1st | If the bootloader's unlocked, it would seem an awesome target for Maemo or Kubuntu Mobile... |
| 00:23.57 | robbiethe1st | Because you'd likely be able to run Windows stuff via wine on it. |
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| 00:26.41 | sobczyk_ | for my next phone i'd like something like n9+hw keyboard, the one in n900 is nice, but a little too toght |
| 00:26.47 | sobczyk_ | tight |
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| 00:34.04 | robbiethe1st | Like, say, a N950? |
| 00:34.06 | robbiethe1st | Yeah... |
| 00:38.32 | nox- | too bad elop killed that one... |
| 00:39.20 | sobczyk_ | n950 was limited and for devs only |
| 00:39.44 | sobczyk_ | n9 had some parts upgraded over n950 |
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| 00:41.33 | sobczyk_ | is 800MHz safe for n900? |
| 00:42.38 | spark666 | i remeber in past i installed terminator on n900.is it still possible?or rxvt-unicode,etc |
| 00:53.23 | LaoLang_cool | How to get a installed pkg's deb file? |
| 00:53.31 | robbiethe1st | sobczyk_, I can run mine up to 1.15ghz, run it at 950 as my max freq. |
| 00:53.35 | LaoLang_cool | 'apt-get -d install pkg' doesn't work :( |
| 00:53.53 | robbiethe1st | ...You, however, have to tweak the voltages to your own device so it doesn't crash or become unstable. |
| 00:55.31 | robbiethe1st | I ran one N900 for a year at my 950 maxfreq without issue; then the USB port broke so I switched to another one which I've been using for over 6 months... |
| 00:57.28 | LaoLang_cool | I'm using kernel-power with starving of kernel-power-config profile, working fine, so my n900 is running at the lowest voltages, so battery life will be extended, so n900's life will be too, right? |
| 00:57.52 | spark666 | LaoLang_cool: apt-get -i nameofapp.deb |
| 00:58.07 | robbiethe1st | Life? Nah, not really. |
| 00:58.27 | robbiethe1st | It is reduced by overclocking, that's for sure. Higher frequencies are worse. |
| 00:58.49 | spark666 | ohh sorry,i missunderstood,nvm |
| 00:58.49 | robbiethe1st | However, what the 'actual' numbers are -- how long a device will last with or without it... noone knows. |
| 00:59.04 | LaoLang_cool | spark666: I want to get the deb file... |
| 00:59.39 | spark666 | LaoLang_cool: yes i saw it to late |
| 01:00.06 | robbiethe1st | Personally, I suspect that, for 90% of devices, the CPU won't fail before other stuff does, even OC'd heavily. |
| 01:00.12 | spark666 | btw its there a big features diff between cssu stable and testing? |
| 01:00.27 | robbiethe1st | If for no other reason than it's only running OC'd for a small fraction of each day. |
| 01:00.48 | robbiethe1st | And the CPU's rated for X years at 600mhz 24/7. |
| 01:01.10 | LaoLang_cool | spark666: my english is bad ;p |
| 01:01.57 | spark666 | LaoLang_cool: no problem,english isnt my native language either :p |
| 01:02.26 | LaoLang_cool | ok ;p |
| 01:06.47 | spark666 | brb |
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| 04:23.10 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: err nope |
| 04:28.52 | DocScrutinizer | TI definitely knows that: >>50K total POH when operating across all OPPs and keeping the time spent at OPP5 to less than 10K POH. Total FaultsInThousand(?) Rate increases from design goal of 50FIT to 70FIT under these accelerated conditions. (for MIL(?) 105°C max devices)<< |
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| 04:30.27 | DocScrutinizer | I.E.when running@600MHz, after 10000 hours 7% devices gone burnout |
| 04:31.56 | DocScrutinizer | and that's most likely a Gaussian graph, like for incandescent bulb lifetime |
| 04:32.08 | DocScrutinizer | definitely no linear thing |
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| 04:54.26 | int_ua | My hildon-desktop suddenly crashed and is refusing to start. Anyone else having similar behaviour with CSSU 3.1? |
| 04:55.00 | DocScrutinizer | I once had that with PR1.0.1 |
| 04:55.16 | int_ua | What did you do to fix it? |
| 04:55.29 | DocScrutinizer | err, reflash IIRC |
| 04:56.06 | int_ua | reads about signal 11 |
| 04:56.07 | DocScrutinizer | since I didn't know all the tricks back when |
| 04:57.13 | int_ua | I've edited transitions.ini before it crashed, but I've undone these changes through ssh and it's still crashing |
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| 05:09.46 | int_ua | DocScrutinizer: I've used Ctrl+Shift+X to start terminal (I wished I knew this yesterday in the train where it started) and replaced transitions.ini with the default one. It seems fixed now, rebooting. |
| 05:09.51 | DocScrutinizer | well, that's at least unelated to CSSU I'd say. Though thanks to a mini patch I pushed to CSSU you at least have a chance to ssh into device at all, when HD is crashing. In original firmware the device would've entered vootloop now |
| 05:09.58 | DocScrutinizer | bootloop* |
| 05:11.09 | int_ua | DocScrutinizer: You saved me days of time! :) And a lot of other's I think ^_^ |
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| 05:12.53 | int_ua | DocScrutinizer: FYI I've replaced _all_ numbers in transitions.ini with zeros and commented out all transitions long ago and it was working perfectly |
| 05:15.10 | int_ua | leaving happily |
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| 05:19.53 | freemangordon | Pali, ping |
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| 08:00.59 | RST38h | Wicked Lasers is running a promotion whereby if a certain Facebook page is liked 2,000 times, the company will send a team of professional divers to "attach a fully-functional Spyder 3 laser onto a live shark in the wild." |
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| 08:28.37 | edheldil | RST38h: the carnage could be interesting, but why would thay attach a laser? |
| 08:29.35 | RST38h | edheldil: because they make lasers |
| 08:29.54 | RST38h | and no, it will be purely cosmetic, as laser does not make it far into the water |
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| 08:32.34 | edheldil | I mean ... what will be the purpose except of as a warning to people in an underwater research station in a room full of water that there's also a shark there? |
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| 09:36.56 | freemangordon | Pali, ping |
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| 11:35.57 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: I think I will wait for the next maemo phone till I switch... the device seeding program smells like victory over elop to me^^ |
| 11:36.06 | chem|st | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/02/the-truth-the-whole-truth-and-nothing-but-the-burning-platforms-memo-is-1-year-old.html |
| 11:36.18 | chem|st | nice blog ;) |
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| 12:33.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: sorry, you lost me somewhat |
| 12:33.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: which switching? |
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| 12:48.51 | Pali | freemangordon, pong |
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| 13:06.40 | freemangordon | Pali, your u-boot code seems to fix the issue with -110 errors. i.e. restoring i2c context after enabling it |
| 13:07.20 | freemangordon | and the function responsible for garbadge in boot menu is video_invertchar in cfb_console.c |
| 13:07.36 | Pali | nice |
| 13:07.36 | freemangordon | NFC why byte operation does not work as they should |
| 13:07.45 | Pali | and function which garbage screen - I know it |
| 13:08.00 | Pali | but now one of u-boot developer can reproduce same problem on beagle board |
| 13:08.05 | freemangordon | do you have a solution (besides disabling SW cursor)? |
| 13:08.13 | freemangordon | aah, great |
| 13:08.26 | Pali | so I wait, I belive he will fix problem :-) |
| 13:09.00 | Pali | temp solution is to disable cursor |
| 13:09.28 | freemangordon | great news. On the other hand I see some timeout errors from u-boot when initializing, not sure if they are for internal or external mmc |
| 13:09.31 | Pali | e.g function video_invertchar in cfb_consle.c will do nothing |
| 13:10.00 | Pali | that are problems with omap mmc code |
| 13:10.07 | freemangordon | yeah, I know that, that is what i did, and i saw 3-4 errors (or warnings) from u-boot |
| 13:10.12 | Pali | also one developer sent patch to mailinglist |
| 13:10.50 | freemangordon | do you have link? |
| 13:11.37 | Pali | http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/147661/ |
| 13:12.43 | Pali | but now I modified rx51 u-boot code more |
| 13:12.56 | Pali | I will build and publish new version |
| 13:13.26 | freemangordon | great. you will disable SW corsor until there is a roper fix? |
| 13:13.45 | freemangordon | by publish you mean in extras-devel? |
| 13:15.28 | freemangordon | Pali ^^^ |
| 13:15.40 | Pali | yes, I will disable cursor, but I mean that I will push code to gitorious and create some builds |
| 13:15.46 | Pali | nothing to extras-devel yet |
| 13:17.22 | freemangordon | aah, ok. Are you going to do this today? Because here next 4 days ar non-working and I would like to do some testing, etc. If you are not going to publish that today, mind to share the patches? |
| 13:17.24 | Pali | http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2012-April/123261.html |
| 13:18.04 | Pali | ok, I will rebase my git repo and create clean commits |
| 13:18.17 | freemangordon | thanks |
| 13:20.46 | Pali | there is one problem with maemo 2.6.28 kernel |
| 13:21.02 | Pali | if I enable usb tty in u-boot maemo kernel does not boot |
| 13:21.11 | Pali | it crash something in musb driver |
| 13:21.29 | Pali | so I temporary comment usb tty support in u-boot |
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| 13:30.19 | freemangordon | Pali, and what am I expected to do? :P |
| 13:30.58 | Pali | that if you want usb tty support for testing u-boot (without maemo kernel) you need to enable it & recompile |
| 13:31.28 | Pali | freemangordon, on u-boot mailinglist are patches for ext4 support. I will try to include it |
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| 13:32.24 | freemangordon | pali, isn't it better first to have stable u-boot and after that to improve it? |
| 13:32.54 | Pali | I have sd card formated with ext4 |
| 13:33.14 | Pali | so for testing on my n900 it will be better |
| 13:33.20 | freemangordon | AIAU there are lots of people waiting your u-boot to become stable to start using it. |
| 13:33.30 | freemangordon | myself included :D |
| 13:34.17 | freemangordon | Pali, btw here http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/develdebs/ is gcc 4.6.2 to be used in SB |
| 13:34.44 | Pali | what has new version fixed? |
| 13:35.15 | freemangordon | Pali, SB has gcc 4.2.4 |
| 13:35.22 | freemangordon | and that is 4.6.2 |
| 13:35.39 | Pali | I know, but I thought that gcc is stable |
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| 13:36.19 | Pali | and c++0x support I do not need :D |
| 13:36.44 | freemangordon | well, it is, but some SWs don't compile with 4.2.4 |
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| 13:38.24 | Pali | ok |
| 13:38.35 | Pali | and thumb support? |
| 13:40.46 | freemangordon | yeah, that is fixed |
| 13:41.05 | freemangordon | in binutils 2.22, which is in the same tar.gz |
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| 13:52.40 | Pali | do you think that we can recompile qt libraries with enabled thumb? |
| 13:58.44 | freemangordon | I've already done that |
| 13:58.47 | freemangordon | :) |
| 13:59.13 | freemangordon | but still not sure if thumb is stable on n900 and what is needed to stabilize it if not |
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| 14:10.52 | hurrian | freemangordon, any updates on .37 for Fremantle? |
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| 14:25.33 | LaoLang_cool | camera on n900 is much better than I've expected! |
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| 14:26.14 | hurrian | LaoLang_cool: it's a lot less granier than most 5mp cameras out there, except the N95 |
| 14:26.29 | LaoLang_cool | It could produce high quality and beautiful photos! |
| 14:27.27 | LaoLang_cool | hurrian: granier? |
| 14:27.42 | LaoLang_cool | I can't find the word on my dictionary :( |
| 14:28.10 | hurrian | it's less grainy on the N900 because of not-as-tightly packed sensor and relatively large lens |
| 14:28.27 | hurrian | like, white/grey dots on dark parts of a picture |
| 14:30.44 | LaoLang_cool | ok, although I don't understand, it's very good! |
| 14:31.06 | hurrian | yes, it is! |
| 14:31.14 | LaoLang_cool | ;p |
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| 15:08.57 | Pali | freemangordon, sources are on: https://gitorious.org/u-boot-shr/u-boot/commits/pali |
| 15:09.07 | Pali | now with debian/* files |
| 15:16.51 | Pali | visible changes for users: |
| 15:16.51 | Pali | * atag address for kernel is always 0x80000100, so for reusing atags from nolo is needed command: "setenv atagaddr 0x80000100" |
| 15:16.51 | Pali | * u-boot-update-bootmenu needs option ITEM_REUSEATAGS=1 (instead ITEM_USEATAG) - but works also old option (it show warning) |
| 15:16.51 | Pali | * noloboot renamed to attachboot |
| 15:16.52 | Pali | * if not reusing atags from nolo, u-boot will create memory atag which is needed to boot kernels (now maybe meego/upstream kernel will boot without nolo atags) |
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| 15:34.25 | Pali | freemangordon, new u-boot deb packages are here: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/u-boot/ |
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| 15:49.17 | freemangordon | Pali, thanks |
| 15:49.29 | Pali | I will also update TMO thread |
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| 15:52.12 | freemangordon | great |
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| 16:11.20 | Pali | freemangordon, TMO thread updated: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 |
| 16:11.36 | freemangordon | :) |
| 16:12.01 | freemangordon | Instaling Ubuntu on microsd will try the new u-boot with it |
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| 17:34.50 | Pali | freemangordon, I updated bootmenu package (pushed to extras-devel) to hide kernel entries |
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| 17:46.34 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: alternative device... switching to another device might be possible as they revive Qt devel which is not needed for WinMo |
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| 17:47.07 | DocScrutinizer | dang, does my IRC UA have auto-"away" now? |
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| 17:52.51 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: as long as it doesn't announce it to channels... |
| 17:54.23 | DocScrutinizer | nah, chem|st must have mega ESP powers :-D I was just sitting at my PC for <60s and the Elop-webpage was still loading when I got highlighted by him (or, according to latest grammar, her) |
| 17:55.19 | RST38h | "How to Tell if You (Or Someone You Know) Are a Twitter Assclown" <== WEB2.0 getting really useful now |
| 17:56.03 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: special powers that is... |
| 17:56.09 | chem|st | i |
| 17:57.36 | chem|st | 'd love to get an n950 to do testing like I did for m5... but well people who code get devices, people who are good in testing only are in need to buy them... without being available on the market a 'no can do' |
| 17:58.16 | chem|st | and for sure I do not want a phone without kbd |
| 17:58.45 | chem|st | RST38h: pls elaborate twitter assclown... |
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| 18:00.08 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: not completely right, seems my N950 originally moved to me due to my exceptionally good/harsh/snappish testing |
| 18:01.18 | chem|st | well I helped out sequentially with dbus calling... and so on... I didn't even think of asking! |
| 18:01.21 | DocScrutinizer | konttori said sth like "I already wondered how to get one of those to you" |
| 18:01.22 | chem|st | gtg |
| 18:01.29 | RST38h | chem: OMG LOL U KNO JST FOOLIN 'ROUND U SHITE AHAHAHAHA! |
| 18:01.43 | RST38h | Meanwhile: http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/nokia-lumia-800-and-710-jailbroken-thanks-to-firmware-oversight-20120418/ |
| 18:02.09 | DocScrutinizer | HAHAHA |
| 18:02.12 | DocScrutinizer | not mine |
| 18:03.01 | DocScrutinizer | onviously the number of devices with that fsxkd prototype BL or whatever it was are in the hundereds or max 1000s |
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| 18:03.57 | DocScrutinizer | meh, who cares about root of crap? |
| 18:05.45 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders if it was in "12 monkeys" where brad pit explained "we in here are the sane people, all out there are the lunatics" |
| 18:07.38 | RST38h | yep |
| 18:07.59 | RST38h | and yes, all Gilliam films make this impression |
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| 18:16.57 | holmesii | hi, is anybody working libpcap on maemo right now? |
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| 18:40.28 | DocScrutinizer | HRHRHRRRHARRRHRHARR >>Symbian was the bestselling smartphone on five of the six inhabited continents and Nokia's Maemo was the bestselling smartphone on the uninhabited continent of Antarctica too.<< |
| 18:40.41 | RST38h | But it is true! |
| 18:40.47 | DocScrutinizer | aure |
| 18:40.49 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
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| 18:41.10 | DocScrutinizer | I just like the sarcasm like sulfuric acid |
| 18:42.29 | DocScrutinizer | I wish somebody would tie Flop to a chair, give him some strychnine to snort, then recite this whole blog over and over again |
| 18:42.35 | vdv | inspite of i've set sound file name with hildon_notification_set_sound, i still don't get sound with hildon notification, anyone have ideas what the reason can be? |
| 18:44.01 | vdv | and also call notify_notification_set_hint_string(NOTIFY_NOTIFICATION(_hildon_notification), HINT_KEY, HINT_VALUE) has no effect |
| 18:44.14 | DocScrutinizer | notification sounds get converted to wav and stored somewhere in ~/.* |
| 18:44.52 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not be surprised to find your abscure cals not handle all that correctly |
| 18:44.56 | vdv | DocScrutinizer, yes, i know, i've set filename to /home/user/.local/share/sounds/Message1.acc.wav |
| 18:45.13 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, nfc |
| 18:45.28 | DocScrutinizer | what API is that? |
| 18:45.45 | vdv | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.11 | DocScrutinizer | so c? |
| 18:46.20 | vdv | qt |
| 18:46.25 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
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| 18:46.31 | vdv | c++ |
| 18:46.40 | DocScrutinizer | qt honestly never really worked for such stuff, I'd say |
| 18:48.09 | vdv | showing notification works |
| 18:48.19 | DocScrutinizer | wow |
| 18:48.35 | DocScrutinizer | I can do that from cmdline via dbus-send |
| 18:48.42 | vdv | :) |
| 18:48.51 | vdv | i know |
| 18:49.19 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, nfc realy. Back to that Floptrashingblog |
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| 20:08.51 | SpeedEvil | (Gift of a cheap tablet) |
| 20:16.31 | kerio | which tablet? |
| 20:16.38 | kerio | and don't you feel dirty for using an android device? |
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| 20:20.39 | ShadowJK | flashliht is currently my favourite app |
| 20:21.23 | ShadowJK | on holiday in germany :) |
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| 20:28.07 | SpeedEvil | kerio: Wopad I7 |
| 20:28.17 | SpeedEvil | kerio: It's main use is an angry birds platform |
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| 20:28.22 | SpeedEvil | I'm still using my n900 more |
| 20:28.33 | kerio | SpeedEvil: ...why not a computer, for angry birds? :\ |
| 20:28.41 | kerio | and didn't you have a n950 too? |
| 20:28.50 | SpeedEvil | Is angry birds available on linux? |
| 20:29.04 | flux | there's an html5 version :) |
| 20:29.05 | kerio | SpeedEvil: http://chrome.angrybirds.com/ |
| 20:29.07 | kerio | yeah |
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| 20:29.23 | SpeedEvil | Anywya - it's excellent as a 'while the kettle boils' game |
| 20:29.25 | kerio | not sure about space, though |
| 20:29.27 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: drop by for a beer! |
| 20:29.44 | SpeedEvil | Space is OK, but variable |
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| 20:29.57 | SpeedEvil | The third episode of space is a brainfuck on some levels. |
| 20:30.12 | SpeedEvil | - getting 3 *'s - not actually completing them |
| 20:31.08 | SpeedEvil | The couple of walkthroughs I've looked at after doing levels that have taken me ages both revealed there was a _much_ easier way that I missed. |
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| 20:31.48 | kerio | anyway, why bother with angry birds when there's nethack? :)= |
| 20:31.55 | kerio | s/=// |
| 20:32.18 | SpeedEvil | Nethack isn't quite as suitable as a casual game. |
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| 20:39.22 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 20:39.29 | SpeedEvil | I'm not involved in gentoo |
| 20:39.38 | spark666 | ohh im sorry :( |
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| 22:09.38 | DocScrutinizer | when I got two .tgz that differ only in a few small files, a few bytes in there, while 99.9% are identical... What will a new compressing them into another .tgz get me? 0% compression or 50%? |
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| 22:12.06 | DocScrutinizer | is there even *any* compressing archiver that would result in any compression on archiving two 100% identical .tgz? |
| 22:12.58 | DocScrutinizer | (given the original .tgz files are >256bytes) |
| 22:17.46 | DocScrutinizer | just nuked 6.4GB of backupmenu rootfs/optfs.tar |
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| 22:20.15 | SpeedEvil | 0% |
| 22:20.24 | SpeedEvil | Well |
| 22:20.27 | DocScrutinizer | thought as much |
| 22:20.56 | SpeedEvil | A block compressor with a large enough window will compress two identical files of under the block size to one |
| 22:21.09 | SpeedEvil | But compression is like encryption |
| 22:21.28 | DocScrutinizer | even the smartest compression algo won't use a "dictionary" of several MB length - based on the one file |
| 22:21.50 | SpeedEvil | one or two bytes different in the input stream (the uncompressed tar) - means the output catastrophically differs |
| 22:22.11 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 22:22.36 | DocScrutinizer | well, actually they were .tar |
| 22:22.55 | DocScrutinizer | but that would complicate my basic question |
| 22:27.17 | DocScrutinizer | dd if=/dev/urandom of=file1 bs=1M count=1; cp file1 file2; tar -czf archive file1 file2 |
| 22:28.13 | SpeedEvil | try it with 100k, and bzip2 -9 |
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| 22:40.12 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 22:51.04 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 22:51.13 | SpeedEvil | I need to do some work on that web-proxy thing. |
| 22:51.15 | SpeedEvil | Compressing |
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