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15:35.11GeneralAntilles1RST38h, UF is the OTHER big Florida university. I was at FSU.
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15:35.45GeneralAntillesRST38h, UF is frattown.
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17:40.02ErwinJungeluke-jr, Thanks, got it to work using pulseaudio's esound-sink module, since the pulse version on the n900 is too old to communicate with my laptop in native mode.
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17:40.54ErwinJungeStill, if anyone on here by now knows: How would one go about compiling the g-audio (usb audio gadget) module for the n900? I'd like to use the phone as a usb sound card.
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17:52.32ErwinJungePali, You're the powerkernel guy, right? Could you give me some pointers regarding getting g-audio in there?
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17:57.35PaliErwinJunge, g_audio is not in 2.6.28 kernel
17:57.49Paliyou need to backport that kernel module from upstream kernel
17:58.05ErwinJungeHm... is that as complicated as it sounds? :)
17:58.26Palifor normal users, yes
17:59.14ErwinJungeI'm a fortran 90 developer by trade and dabble in python as a hobby. Never worked on the kernel before though.
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18:00.25ErwinJungeI guess it's more complex than git clone; make? ;)
18:00.29Palibasicaly, you need to copy g_audio source files from upstream kernel and try to compile it under maemo kernel
18:00.53Paliand if there will be no other dependency or problems, it will works as expected
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18:01.41Palibut API in upstream kernel could be changed, so then you will need to rewrite some code
18:03.59ErwinJungeAlright, doesn't sound too complex so far. I'll give it a shot later, need to set up the entire scratchbox again and don't have time for that now. Thanks for the info.
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18:29.11DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: would you bother to publish your esound-sink based solution?
18:29.35DocScrutinizersomewhere on tmo or (better) wiki
18:30.09DocScrutinizerlardman: congrats :-D
18:30.48DocScrutinizeralways these byte/word/longword confusions? XP
18:31.37ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer, sure, I'll write up a wiki thing. It's a bit buggy/laggy though. I'm trying to fix that now
18:32.35DocScrutinizerif you can't squish the bugs, just post as is and attribute is as "buggy but somewhat working"
18:32.56DocScrutinizers/te is/te it/
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18:36.55ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer, is it possible to somehow update pulse on the N900? I remember something about problems with Nokia's modules, but bit foggy on the memory. Using the native tunneling would probably be a better solution than esound
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18:37.49DocScrutinizer51PA has blobs, so updating might get tricky
18:40.00vizzyhi, i cant find dh_make command as mentioned on the 'maemo sdk howto packaging site' in my scratchbox maemo 5 sdk, dehelper is already installed. how can i get dh_make?
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18:53.21PaliDocScrutinizer51, but some (or all?) was opened in meego.gitorious.org
18:53.44Palionly missing proper debian/* files, so creating packages will no be simple
18:53.46DocScrutinizeralas not all
18:54.02PaliI will look at closed packages wiki
18:54.32DocScrutinizerXPROT for example is still an annoying mytery afaik
18:55.13Palixprot?
18:55.36DocScrutinizerspeaker protection
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18:56.08Paliseems all closed pulseaudio modules are on http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/pulseaudio-modules-meego
18:56.12DocScrutinizerafaik there are some others besides this one which are still (C)nokia and closed
18:56.15Palibut no idea if same source
18:56.41Paliall *.so files can be builded from that repo
18:57.35DocScrutinizer:shrug: no clue about PA, except I despise it. But I always thought PA has pretty few .so
18:57.43Paliand package pulseaudio-policy-enforcement has fremantle source code here: http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/pulseaudio-policy-enforcement/trees/398b87a9d6a10c4fab03e15d83bcd8dba4bc49d7
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18:58.02DocScrutinizerOMFG
18:58.17ErwinJungeNot sure if my messages came through: ErwinJunge> Laggyness is gone when using usb networking, so it seems to be a bandwidth issue with my wifi
18:58.17ErwinJunge<ErwinJunge> It also has the interesting side-effect of slaughtering my internet connection :)
18:59.03DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: get better AP, or switch to PSM=off
18:59.21DocScrutinizerusually helps cure lags
18:59.35DocScrutinizerof WLAN
18:59.45ErwinJungeHow would I do the psm=off thing?
19:00.11DocScrutinizeron "advanced" tab of arbitrary wlan connection setting
19:00.35DocScrutinizeractually, of the wlan connection you're trying to fix
19:00.57DocScrutinizerPSM is per connection. Only TX-power is global
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19:03.13DocScrutinizerPali: I'd say gitorious.org is pretty much down
19:03.29DocScrutinizeraaah, finished loading after only 120s
19:04.22ErwinJungeWell, that worked. How bad is this for my battery?
19:05.58DocScrutinizerrather nasty
19:06.17DocScrutinizeronly while connected to thia AP though
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19:07.26DocScrutinizerswitching to TX-power=10mW might help a little to make it less nasty
19:07.44ErwinJungeConsidering that I'm at home now, this is the AP I'm connected to most :)
19:07.53ErwinJungehttp://pastebin.com/w3ZuN3rE --> how's that for a howto?
19:08.27ErwinJungeWhere the ip should obviously be replaced by whatever ip your phone has
19:09.10DocScrutinizersure
19:09.18DocScrutinizerlooks rather nice
19:09.20ErwinJungeAny AP settings I can tweak to make the psm work better?
19:09.34DocScrutinizerdepends on your AP ;-D
19:10.04ErwinJungeBut generally looks/is worded like...
19:10.18DocScrutinizerpicking a channel without interference from naighbour's WLAN is always a good start
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19:10.34ErwinJungeAlready done :)
19:11.01ErwinJungeI've got a linksys WAG160Nv2, with settings for just about everything. 99% of the stuff doesn't mean anything to me though.
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19:11.55DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM)
19:14.53ErwinJungeNot really informative, just says "some routers have poor support" :) I'll try google
19:15.02DocScrutinizerhttp://features.techworld.com/mobile-wireless/4103/a-guide-to-wi-fi-power-save-technologies/
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19:18.01DocScrutinizerhttp://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/18057
19:21.15DocScrutinizerhttp://www.lesswatts.org/tips/wireless.php
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19:25.42DocScrutinizergood one:http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/2007/0326wireless2.html
19:27.32DocScrutinizernuff
19:28.22ErwinJungeYeah :) So the way I understand it is that while streaming audio to it it really doesn't matter (powerwise), since the connection should be on all the time anyways to receive audio.
19:29.07ErwinJungeSo I guess the best idea here would be some sort of desktop widget/switch thing to easily switch psm on/off for the current connection from the homescreen
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19:30.30ErwinJungeOn to the wiki. Where would you suggest I put the howto?
19:31.12ErwinJungeRelated: how does this work? I've never edited a wiki before
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19:40.41vizzyhmm, im getting crazy :) debhelper and all tat is installed as mentioned everywhere... but i still have no dh_make in my scratchbox. is there a trick? make a symlink to dh_something? was it renamed?
19:41.48DocScrutinizerlog in? check $PATH?
19:42.32DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: during audio it will automatically enter the always-on mode
19:43.06DocScrutinizerthe problem is when you lose connectivity completely for seconds or minutes, when idling
19:43.13vizzylog in? im logged in to scratchbox, i can compile sources without problems
19:43.23DocScrutinizerhmm
19:43.25DocScrutinizerno idea
19:43.46DocScrutinizerthen I never wrapped my head around SB completely
19:43.55vizzyi have a lot dh_xyz in /usr/bin
19:44.08DocScrutinizerbetter ask somebody who is used to this monster
19:44.47DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: wiki is simple
19:44.58vizzyi thought it would be nicer to have .deb packages, but i think i will just make tgz with all files and a small installscript, hehe
19:45.01DocScrutinizerthere's an edit button, and a help button
19:45.04vizzylike in good old times
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19:46.19DocScrutinizerif you can't find a proper existing page, you simply enter URL of the "new" page you wanna create
19:46.39DocScrutinizeranyway you should register
19:46.49DocScrutinizermakes things a lot easier
19:47.11ErwinJungeDid that part already :) Do you have a good suggestion for the location of the howto?
19:47.29DocScrutinizersorry, didn't bother to check
19:47.41DocScrutinizersearch for key terms
19:47.53DocScrutinizerthere's a search feature
19:48.16DocScrutinizerdunno how much hits you'll get for 'audio'
19:48.43DocScrutinizermany*
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20:12.05DocScrutinizerbtw, if anybody got interested in my sharing plugin adventure: this cli share plugin just works great - scp to my server
20:13.29ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer, what?
20:13.29DocScrutinizerscp -oServerAliveInterval=300 -oPort=999 %s docsftp@78.46.226.888:share-service/%s
20:13.46int_uadockane: that's interesting, is this plugin available in extras? I just joined the discussion
20:13.59ErwinJungeWhat does the plugin do?
20:14.03int_uaDocScrutinizer: ^
20:14.10ErwinJungeAlso, how about http://wiki.maemo.org/Streaming_Audio_To_N900 for the howto?
20:14.29int_uadockane: sorry, I missed the nickname)
20:16.37DocScrutinizerextras-devel
20:16.43DocScrutinizerii  sharing-cli                                         0.4                                        Command-Line Sharing Plugin
20:18.13DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: sounds good
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20:20.02DocScrutinizer(plugin) you don't need to bother to fill in "title" or "comment" when sharing, it's cruft
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20:20.33DocScrutinizerand for obvious reasons "location" also won't work
20:20.59DocScrutinizerstraight copy from N900 to server, same filename
20:21.08DocScrutinizerfixed dir
20:21.24ErwinJungeI'm really not getting it. What does that plugin (a) plug into and (b) do after plugging into it?
20:21.59DocScrutinizerit plugs into the < shaped sharing button in e.g. gallery
20:22.13DocScrutinizernext to OVI and FLIKR
20:22.23DocScrutinizerPicasa
20:23.07DocScrutinizercreate a "new account" and there it is
20:23.54DocScrutinizerpretty bare bones hardcore hacker "GUI"
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20:27.17ErwinJungeAh, so not for me :) Could you see if the instructions in http://wiki.maemo.org/Streaming_Audio_To_N900 work for you?
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20:34.36vdvis there any widget which can display notifications passed to it in a preconfigured way?
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20:35.05vdvof course, i can write my own, but don't want reinvent vehicle :)
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20:38.33DocScrutinizer(sharing plugin) http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/
20:38.49DocScrutinizervdv: see ~phonecontrol
20:38.55DocScrutinizerwiki
20:39.05DocScrutinizer~phonecontrol
20:39.09DocScrutinizerhmm
20:39.36DocScrutinizer~phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control
20:39.36infobotDocScrutinizer: okay
20:40.34DocScrutinizervdv: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_notification_.28orange_one_line_popup.29  http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_notification_.28orange_multiple_line_popup.29 http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_dialog_notification_.28black.2Fwhite_with_floating_bar_and_confirmation_button.2C_requiring_user_action.29
20:41.11vdvDocScrutinizer, already familiar with that
20:41.23vdvand it doesn't suite my needs
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20:41.43vdvbecause, it's not possible "update" such notifications
20:42.14DocScrutinizernot sute about that
20:42.18DocScrutinizersure*
20:42.20vdvin a way that modest notifications are done for example
20:43.02DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Make_an_.22Email_Style.22_notification_dialog
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20:43.32vdvi.e. you receive notification aboute 3 new mails, then you got another two, and then modest just updates one notification popup, sets number of notifications to two, and number of emails to five
20:44.39vdvhmm.. i didn't tried that
20:44.44vdv*try
20:44.58vdvi dont know why
20:45.39vdvspend so much to for pynotify based approach
20:45.48vdv*so much time
20:46.25vdvDocScrutinizer, i'll check whether that works for me, thanks!
20:48.01DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: I can't check this right now, out for dinner in a minute
20:48.11DocScrutinizersorry
20:48.49DocScrutinizerand :-P I got PA deinstalled on my PC
20:52.37ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer, np, it works for me, but having at least one more testing point would be nice :)
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