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08:12.47narcosHey all.
08:14.52narcosI upgraded to power-kernel50 from a previous version, but it's caused some problems, and I'd like to revert. What's the best way to do this? I upgraded by doing a 'apt-get update' and then installing power-kernel from HAM
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08:16.25Sicelonarcos: you can downgrade to stock kernel, then upgrade to your chosen kernel
08:16.50narcosSicelo: Ahhh
08:16.55Siceloyou can also just downgrade in one step using apt-get (if you're brave) :)
08:17.04narcosheh
08:17.05narcosI'm bravae
08:17.09narcos*brave
08:17.27narcosRather - how tricky is the downgrade to stock process?
08:17.52Sicelothen apt-get install .. you need 3 packages, kernel-power, kernel-power-modules, kernel-power-flasher
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08:19.12narcosThe above 3 packages are already at the newest version
08:20.26narcosfinds http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#Deinstallation
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08:22.53Siceloapt-get install kernel-power=1:2.6.28-10power49 .....
08:23.09Sicelobtw, what problems does KP50 give you?
08:23.23narcosSicelo: Injection drivers for the wireless don't load
08:23.47Siceloiirc you need new modules or something like that.. check in TMO
08:23.50narcosSicelo: Is there a way to determine what power-kernel version I previously had?
08:23.54narcosI think it was 40
08:24.04narcosBut I'm not certain
08:24.41Siceloi don't think that's possilbe .. not absolutely sure though
08:27.26narcosHmm - lemme check the chan log, I think I may have mentioned it before
08:27.27Sicelorepos have 50, 49, 42, 37, and 24
08:29.35narcosGuess I'll try 42 - it is a magic number and all
08:30.01narcosSo, apt-get install kernel-power=1:2.6.28-10power42  ?
08:33.45Siceloapt-get install kernel-power=2.6.28-maemo42 kernel-power-modules=2.6.28-maemo42 kernel-power-flasher=2.6.28-maemo42
08:35.02narcosta
08:35.16narcosholds thumbs
08:35.39narcosDoh @ super slow GRPS connection on the phone
08:40.59narcosSicelo: Process finished - I just reboot now?
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08:53.18narcosSicelo: Success :) Down to 42
08:53.25narcostries packet injection drivers now
08:57.39narcosOi, a whole new set of errors
08:57.49narcoswill go find food and ponder
08:58.00narcosThanks for the help Sicelo !
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09:05.28zeqnarcos: are you certain KP doesn't have injection drivers by default? Just a thought, haven't checked.
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09:10.01Sicelono, not by default..
09:10.52Siceloi just think he didn't need to downgrade.. especially to 42 :/
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09:21.20DocScrutinizerI guess zeq was right
09:24.46DocScrutinizerAIUI just the generic instructions how to install and load injection drivers simply don't match kp50 which comes with them already?
09:25.37DocScrutinizerso following instructions how to install 42 drivers of course would result in "doesn't load drivers"
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09:33.17RST38hyawns, greets Doc
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10:06.03DocScrutinizerre-greets
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10:45.23Macerhm
10:45.35Macerweird.. my sim seems to have started working again
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10:46.09Macerwell... sim reader
10:46.12Macerodd
10:46.16Maceroh well lol
10:46.34Macerit hasn't messed up all day
10:47.26Maceri'm sure i have spoken too soon but still :)
10:48.13Vib3hi
10:48.21Vib3triend to send sms via script
10:48.25Vib3but says -> ImportError: No module named QtMobility.Messaging
10:49.08Vib3I installed just -> python-qtmobility.messaging and python-qtmobility12.messaging
10:49.17Vib3what packet is needed? :o
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11:05.40Vib3found deps but now ssms.py segfaulting..
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11:13.11DocScrutinizerare you sure you're talking on right channel? sounds like you mix up fremantle and harmattan
11:14.45DocScrutinizerif you are using a N9 (or 950) then you should /join #harmattan. If N900 is your device, I dunno if the qt-mobility approach applies at a ll
11:16.03Vib3hi Doc, using n900 :)
11:16.37Vib3that is segfaulting -> http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_SMS
11:17.13DocScrutinizerooh, I've been wrong it seems: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_SMS
11:17.22DocScrutinizeryeah :-)
11:18.02Vib3:)
11:18.06Vib3Python 2.5.4
11:18.13DocScrutinizeranyway I sugest the 2nd approach there ;-D
11:18.57Vib3ok, its shorter :p
11:19.48DocScrutinizerthird one is probably most clean one, and in line with dbus-centric concept of fremantle
11:20.47DocScrutinizerwhile 2nd one will probably send SMS that don't even show up in messages history
11:21.25DocScrutinizerpnatd directly talks to modem, bypassing all fremantle framework that usually handles conversations
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11:28.27Vib3ok
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11:29.10Vib3sent sms to own number, did't see anything to appear with 2nd example
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11:30.02Vib3had typo :p
11:31.22Vib3now need to learn python to set up params :F
11:31.53DocScrutinizererr
11:32.13Vib3to make that script more efficent
11:32.32jonwilI think the DBUS method of sending SMSs is the best way to go
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11:33.07Vib3thats so long script :p
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11:34.48DocScrutinizerjonwil: ack
11:34.51DocScrutinizerand Hi!
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11:39.15Vib3
11:39.18Vib3hmm says ->
11:39.19Vib3<PROTECTED>
11:39.20Vib3<PROTECTED>
11:39.20Vib3SyntaxError: invalid syntax
11:39.47DocScrutinizero.O
11:40.16Vib3should that "try:" be there? :p
11:40.38Vib3or was it just to me to try it
11:40.40DocScrutinizeryou can't c&p the few lines above, they were just a quote what'S doing the argument parsing in the exampe #3 in phonecontrol
11:41.39DocScrutinizerthe "try:" is a part of an exception catcher construct in python
11:41.47Vib3ok
11:41.53DocScrutinizerit needs "except:" for when "try:" fails
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11:42.21DocScrutinizerthat's why "number =" is a syntax error at lat position, at thet indentation level
11:42.44DocScrutinizers/*/that/.
11:43.43Vib3hmm my n900 is so slowwwwww, uptime 17 days..
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11:44.16DocScrutinizerkillall browserd
11:44.22Vib3even I have CSSU community
11:45.13Vib3thx, faster now :p
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11:45.35Vib3that should be added to CSSU
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11:45.48DocScrutinizersorry for spam
11:46.01DocScrutinizerdon't learn from my nasty habit
11:46.04DocScrutinizer:-)
11:46.29Vib3yea, I was just about to use pastebin :p
11:47.30DocScrutinizeranyway that's a proper arg parser
11:48.08DocScrutinizerafter that ' number = args[0] ' should work
11:49.38Vib3ok
11:50.10Vib3how do I use variables in perl? child.send('$msg') ?
11:51.42DocScrutinizerWAAAH perl
11:52.42Vib3yea, perl guy here :p
11:52.59Vib3never done python as you can see... :D:D:
11:53.47DocScrutinizerpython is quite simple, all you have to know is it strictly uses indentation as a code structure element
11:54.20DocScrutinizerwhich makes it particularly unsuited for pasting code snippets to wiki
11:54.35DocScrutinizeror IRC ;-P
11:55.41DocScrutinizerwell, there's another interesting aspect with python: you can tell from the line >> opts, args = getopt.getopt(... <<
11:55.44Vib3yeap :p
11:55.55DocScrutinizerfunctions can return quite complex results
11:56.23Vib3but how do I use that 'msg' variable in that 'child.send' ? was that correct?
11:56.42DocScrutinizernfc, that's perl :-)
11:56.49Vib3hmm without that '$'
11:57.20DocScrutinizerthe question how to use python vars in perl is... err...
11:57.39Vib3no its python script :p
11:57.53Vib3editing that ssms.py script
11:58.13DocScrutinizerin python a var is a var
11:58.23DocScrutinizerfobar=2
11:58.32DocScrutinizerfobar = fobar + 4
11:58.57DocScrutinizerfoofunc(fobar)
11:59.30Vib3ok so -> child.send(msg);
11:59.42DocScrutinizerlooks ok'ish
12:00.27Vib3yea
12:00.36Vib3how about this? -> child.send('at+cmgs=number\r');
12:00.59Vib3how to separate that number variable from string text :p
12:01.01DocScrutinizerthat's sending a string const you defined in place
12:02.14DocScrutinizererr, sth along: arg = 'at+cmgs=' % number
12:02.22DocScrutinizerI bet this was wrong
12:02.37DocScrutinizerstring operators are quite obscure for me in python
12:03.41DocScrutinizermaybe >> myarg = "at+cmgs="
12:04.02DocScrutinizermyarg.concat(number.string)
12:04.22DocScrutinizerno clue really, as you can tell from this^^^
12:05.02DocScrutinizeranyway in python basically everything is an object, with associated methods
12:06.38Vib3hmm
12:06.43Vib3didn't work -> number = 'at+cmgs=' % args[0] % '\r'
12:07.07vdvn900 question. is there any way to schedule an action when internet connection (3G, wlan) becomes active? i know how to do it when phone connected via usb, i can add commands in pcsuite-enable and pcsuite-disable
12:07.07Vib3think it needs '\r' to end
12:07.53DocScrutinizervdv: check ifup
12:10.02DocScrutinizer>>> print(str)
12:10.03vdvDocScrutinizer, is this a shell script?
12:10.04DocScrutinizerATtest=
12:10.05DocScrutinizer>>> str=str + "ABC"
12:10.07DocScrutinizer>>> print(str)
12:10.08DocScrutinizerATtest=ABC
12:10.54DocScrutinizervdv: I think this is a (shell) cmd that invokes additions stuff if existing
12:11.20DocScrutinizerjust a starting point where to look
12:11.26DocScrutinizermaybe not even a good one
12:12.48DocScrutinizer>>> str=str + 5
12:12.49DocScrutinizerTraceback (most recent call last):
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12:12.52DocScrutinizerTypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'int' objects
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12:14.17vdvDocScrutinizer, ok, thanks
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12:14.30RST38hDoc: Are you teaching him Ruby?
12:14.38RST38hDoc: Are you teaching yourself Ruby
12:14.45RST38hIs it the end of the world?
12:15.27vdvDocScrutinizer, ifup just activates a connection on given interface
12:17.21TermanaOne day you mention you'll probably go to Android for your next device and the next your writing Ruby
12:17.28TermanaIt's a dangerous gateway I tells ya
12:17.55DocScrutinizerRST38h: just playing a bit with python :-)
12:18.17DocScrutinizer>>> str=str+num.__str__()
12:18.18DocScrutinizer>>> print(str)
12:18.20DocScrutinizerATtest=ABC5
12:18.37DocScrutinizernum=5; obviously
12:19.21DocScrutinizerI bet a few python savvy coders just went vomiting
12:21.09DocScrutinizermy last python coding is like 12 years ago
12:30.19Vib3DocScrutinizer: by this string prints fine but doesn't work -> number = "at+cmgs=" + args[0] + "\r"
12:30.53DocScrutinizererr
12:30.59Vib3but doesn't show "\r" ofcourse, mayve child.send needs it
12:31.04Vib3* maybe
12:31.05DocScrutinizerglares at "r"
12:32.09DocScrutinizerhmm, no. should work
12:32.36Vib3but doesn't, using also -> child.send(number);
12:32.37Vib3child.send(msg);
12:32.39DocScrutinizeruse ' instead "
12:32.48DocScrutinizermight make a diff
12:32.49Vib3k
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12:33.35DocScrutinizernope
12:34.16Vib3hmmm
12:34.21Vib3what a pain..
12:34.22DocScrutinizer\r means carriage return and that's what it does
12:34.49Vib3hmm so it needs to be passed to child.send
12:34.51DocScrutinizerprint('123\rx')
12:40.13Vib3yea
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12:40.58DocScrutinizeranyway pnatd is using generic AT interface of cellmo, so you need exactly the right format for that string
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12:45.34DocScrutinizeryou could invoke pnatd on shell directly, this will show you the result msgs from modem
12:45.59DocScrutinizerbeware! you need a "killall pnatd" in another shell to quit
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12:54.35DocScrutinizerVib3: I see you omitted the " around <number> in your string construction
12:54.54DocScrutinizerdepending on AT parser this may or even will fail
12:55.21Vib3yea, that comes from php :p
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12:55.26DocScrutinizernumber = 'at+cmgs="' + args[0] + '"\r'
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12:57.09DocScrutinizerjust for best practice, even:
12:57.24DocScrutinizernumber = 'AT+CMGS="' + args[0] + '"\r'
12:57.59Vib3that worked, missed that " and ' was needed to together
12:58.12Vib3that was cos of \r ?
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12:59.05DocScrutinizernumber = 'AT+CMGS="' + args[0].replace('+', '00') + '"\r'
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13:02.17DocScrutinizermy toenails curl on that 0 in args[0]
13:02.35DocScrutinizerwell, that's c
13:02.58DocScrutinizer*that comes from*
13:03.28Vib3c <3
13:03.50Vib3python :F
13:03.54Vib3yak
13:05.00Vib3DocScrutinizer: thx m8)!
13:06.03LaoLang_coolI want the camera button to run xterm when the lens cover is on, is it possible?
13:06.13DocScrutinizeryes
13:06.37keriocamkeyd can be configured i think
13:06.40DocScrutinizerI think it's named shortcutd or sth like that
13:06.45DocScrutinizeror that
13:06.51keriobut why would you want to lose the awesome default of task-switching?
13:07.47DocScrutinizermaybe because awesome taskswitching is on <ctrl>+<bs> already?
13:08.45DocScrutinizerwell, then OTOH awesome xterm is on errr shift+ctrl-x?
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13:12.18DocScrutinizer(<Vib3> that was cos of \r ?) nope, that was because of syntax of that AT cmd is >> AT+CMGS=<string> << and sting in AT is >> "[char]..." <<<
13:12.21Vib3DocScrutinizer: so 00$countrycode works also when calling? forget that "$"
13:12.45LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer: hard to type shift-ctrl-x...
13:13.04Vib3ok
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13:15.10DocScrutinizerI think in GSM "00" is common countrycode prefix, not sure about that "+"
13:15.44DocScrutinizerfire up pnatd and test it! ;-D
13:16.40DocScrutinizerATD+180012345678  vs ATD00180012345678
13:16.47Vib3worked also :p
13:16.52DocScrutinizerI guess both will work
13:17.10Macerhm
13:17.16MacerN900 is still going
13:17.39DocScrutinizerMacer: need help how to fix this annoying status?
13:17.46DocScrutinizer;-P
13:18.15DocScrutinizeroffers the sledgehammer
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13:29.57Macerdamn
13:29.59Macerlol
13:30.16MacerdiD speak too soon
13:30.34Macerdamn sim cut off again :)
13:30.40Macerah well
13:41.18jpinxjust reflashed successfully, didn't realise that it has to reboot if you change locales
13:46.03DocScrutinizerwaves and ->afk
13:47.23Vib3bye Doc!
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14:16.27Vib3is it possible to use #31# when calling from dbus?
14:18.56jogadunno but if you're typing that on the command line, make sure to escape the part with the '#' so it doesn't turn the rest of the line into a comment ;)
14:19.41jogaor, er, quote it I mean
14:19.56jogathough I guess either would work...anyway
14:22.33jogait's very nice to be able to control the phone so well I think, I've sometimes scheduled wake up calls with it so it makes a call to my gf and turns the speaker on, I might still be sleeping but she'll wake up ;) (she's abroad currently)
14:33.01Vib3k, hehe :p
14:33.26Vib3when put #31# before said problem with number
14:34.09Vib3its funny when setting number to hidden and calling from dbus, number shows up still
14:34.42Vib3but DocScrutinizer might know more
14:35.35jogayeah seems like you can't add it there just like that..tried
14:36.09Vib3installed starhash enabler but still didn't work
14:36.28Vib3maybe cos its just #31#
14:37.22jogaVib3 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66420
14:37.24jonwilHow are you dialing this call?
14:37.54jonwilyeah that thread makes sense
14:38.08jonwilif you go through Teleapthy and not through com.nokia.CSD.call it will work better
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14:39.01Vib3hmmm, python again :F
14:39.10jonwilspecial things like #31# don't go through com.nokia.CSD.call, they go through com.nokia.CSD.SS
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14:42.45Vib3ok
14:48.11DocScrutinizer*#-enabler doesn't affect anything here, it just sets some flag relevant for stock dialer to allow processing of Supplementary Service Codes
14:48.44DocScrutinizerAT interface won't accept SSC rich "numbers"
14:48.53jogaare there any especially interesting service codes by the way?
14:49.11DocScrutinizerquite a couple
14:50.03jogaI've never really needed them much myself so I can't really remember them, had to check what the #31# stood for
14:50.30DocScrutinizerhttp://www.mobilemania.de/facts+infos/gsmcodes.php
14:50.41DocScrutinizerhttp://www.gsmcodes-online.de/Anrufsperren/anrufsperren.html
14:51.18joganow that I look at that I think the only one I've actually had a proper use for was for forwarding
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14:51.49jogamaybe a vague memory of a conference call years ago, not sure :)
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15:03.31DocScrutinizerhttp://www.geckobeach.com/cellular/secrets/gsmcodes.php  (note that all 3-digit codes are USSD, not SSC. they aren't standardized in any way and defined by your provider)
15:09.27Vib3hmm that says -> NameError: global name 'sbus' is not defined
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15:13.49DocScrutinizerDANG! >>made excuses instead of owning responsibility for less than standard package<< >>Item was advertized as "brand new", but I received a refurbished phone.<< http://www.ebay.de/itm/New-Nokia-N900-3G-32GB-WIFI-GPS-WVGA-5MP-Carl-Zeiss-QWERTY-SmartPhone-/190638186050?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item2c62ebde42
15:25.16luke-jrDocScrutinizer: yeah, I was going to order a backup N900 a month or two ago, then noticed they're all frauds
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15:34.24Vib3hmm getting with that python calling script -> http://pastebin.com/kcpDiXpf
15:36.15Vib3how should that sbus be defined?
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15:39.07DocScrutinizerI guess that's a typo
15:39.07DocScrutinizers/d
15:39.14DocScrutinizerwhich raises the question: should dbus be defined?
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15:40.30Vib3idk
15:40.48Vib3now it says -> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'get_object'
15:41.44Vib3hmm it should be maybe just "bus" :p
15:43.13Vib3yeap
15:44.14DocScrutinizerthis is no proper python program, just a excerpt snippet
15:46.54DocScrutinizerimport dbus                       \n        bus = dbus.SystemBus()   \n     foobar = bus.get_object('com.nokia.phone.SMS',.....
15:47.29Vib3yea got it working
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15:50.00DocScrutinizers/bus =/sbus =/
15:51.27DocScrutinizers/ bus/ sbus/
15:51.34DocScrutinizers/ bus/ sbus/g
15:51.37DocScrutinizerdang
15:52.16Vib3ding dong
15:52.38Vib3now script calls from hidden number :p
15:52.51Vib3thx joga and Doc
15:52.55DocScrutinizerso post it to that friggin tmo thread!
15:53.23Vib3its there
15:53.38Vib3just need to make some fixes
15:54.41DocScrutinizernot there
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15:56.12Vib3hmm but it needs still fixing :p
15:56.20Vib3imo
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16:16.06Macerheh
16:16.31Maceri wish this damn windows phone has telepathy
16:16.36Macer:)
16:16.55Macerif there is one thing i limed the most about maemo it was telepathy
16:20.14Robot101:D
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16:32.42DocScrutinizeryou limed it? did it help?
16:33.30vdvi'm trying to create a deb package for n900 in scratchbox. inspite debian dir inside of the dir with sources contains all necessary files, generate deb file is empty
16:33.53vdvi've created a package with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -uc
16:34.05vdvand used this howto: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Package_Building_HOWTO
16:39.35DocScrutinizerMacer: I fully agree on telepathy being a PITA
16:40.17DocScrutinizerthe ultimate solution to problems we never had before ;-)
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16:41.02DocScrutinizerwhile inventing a whole new class of generic problems
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16:46.49Macerwell. actually. compared to most apps that do the same it isnt bad at all
16:47.16Maceri always thought it worked quite well. even kn m4
16:47.19Macerin
16:47.24Macerdamn vkb
16:49.07DocScrutinizermodulo telepathy is no app at all
16:50.06DocScrutinizerit's a meta-meta-meta API for "communication"
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16:52.09konurhello
16:52.14konuris there anyone there?
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16:52.24konurhi
16:52.38konuris there anyone
16:52.39konur?
16:52.56Siceloyes... ?
16:53.01konuroh hello
16:53.07konuri have a n900
16:53.12konurand i seek a littlşe help
16:53.16konurlittle
16:53.21konurcan you help me?
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16:53.42Sicelo~ask
16:53.42infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
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16:53.53Siceloah, it works, lol
16:54.06konurok than
16:54.20konuri just installed kernel_power
16:54.40r00t|home"or against our will."  lol
16:54.41konurthis morning it was working great but i broke it and flashed the phone
16:54.57konurand now i'm installing the power kernel
16:55.14konurbut i cant find the file @ /etc/default/kernel-power
16:55.21konurto change my clock settings
16:55.25Siceloyeah r00t|home .. i always found that line kewl ;)
16:56.21konurany ideas how can i get this configuration file?
16:56.29MacerDocScrutinizer: well. i meant telepathy+conversations
16:56.33Sicelokonur: i also have kernel-power. i dont have that file. what is the 'real' problem you have?
16:56.45Macernot sure what the telepathy client for m4 was called
16:56.53konuri was changing my clock settings from that config file
16:57.04konurbut i can't find the file
16:57.48konurand it should be there i mean i used it a lot of times
16:57.57DocScrutinizerit comes with KP-config
16:58.37konurthis is an app right?
16:58.41DocScrutinizerwhich I consider a deprecated tool anyway
16:58.45DocScrutinizeryes
16:59.02Maceruhm. is scottland called something else?
16:59.12Macerusps doesnt seem to ship to scottland
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16:59.24Macerdo they use uk post or something?
16:59.30DocScrutinizerdeprecated, since it makes messing with guts of kernel way too easy for noobs with no idea what they're doing
16:59.55Macerlol
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17:00.00konurwell how can i get this kp-config
17:00.00Macerthose damn noobs
17:00.03konur?
17:00.20DocScrutinizerI suppose via appmanager
17:00.30konurbut i can't find it there
17:03.18konuryes i can't find this kp-config
17:03.21konur:S
17:05.35konur<PROTECTED>
17:06.02wesk77kernel-power-settings
17:07.38konuri installed that one
17:07.57konurbut i still don't have the file
17:08.20Siceloah.. so when he says clock he means clock speed, lol.. i was still wondering how kernel-power has settings for 'clock'
17:08.30konur:)
17:09.26wesk77http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#Use_of_kernel-config
17:10.16Vib3is it possible to listen music while making a phone call?
17:10.35konuri know that page
17:10.52konuri installed the kernel by this instructions
17:11.00konurbut still no luck
17:11.21konuruname -r says i have the power kernel but i don't have config files
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17:12.26Vib3DocScrutinizer: is it possible to listen music while making a phone call?
17:13.22Vib3or to play audio file to call
17:13.34DocScrutinizeryes
17:13.42DocScrutinizerbut tricky
17:14.08DocScrutinizercheck what recall does
17:14.28DocScrutinizerit at least records both steams
17:14.52DocScrutinizerfor playback to those streams you need sth similar
17:15.48konur<PROTECTED>
17:15.57DocScrutinizerhigher arcane PA spells
17:17.28DocScrutinizerkonur: you probably need to create that file, by startung the config app
17:17.52DocScrutinizerI don't think it gets "installed"
17:20.01konuryeah you may be right and i figured it just seconds ago and i created same file in home/.kernel
17:20.17konurand i will edit it from there and load it
17:20.22konurit should work
17:30.55konurconky says its working :)
17:31.01konurbut i wonder after a reboot
17:33.05Vib3DocScrutinizer: ok, hmmm not easy one..
17:34.15konurthank you a zillion time
17:34.34konuri've figured out how it works good day
17:34.35konur:)
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19:18.19RST38hN900 refuses to mount /home/user/MyDocs. What do I do?
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19:18.53DocScrutinizerrefuses to mount? how?
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19:19.15RST38hAfter I reboot the device, there is nothing there but DCIM directory
19:19.27RST38hhave to mount manually
19:19.59RST38hbtw, the external sd card does not show up either
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19:21.08DocScrutinizerCSSU?
19:21.16RST38hIs it CSSU?
19:21.24RST38hyes, I have cssu
19:21.38DocScrutinizerget most recent update
19:21.54RST38hno updates shown
19:22.04DocScrutinizerask freemangordon where to get his fixed ke-recv from
19:22.17RST38hWTF?
19:22.33RST38hSo, now latest CSSU breaks all storage?
19:22.40RST38hAnd that is "ok"?
19:22.57DocScrutinizernot afaik, it just fails on some particular configs aiui
19:23.20RST38hmghm
19:23.28RST38hIs there any instruction on what to do?
19:23.47DocScrutinizeraen't you on #maemo-ssu as well?
19:23.52RST38hyes
19:24.44DocScrutinizerso read your backscroll, I'm not entirely sure what's the problem, I just can say I upgraded to latest T yesterday and all seems just fine for my device
19:27.56RST38hI do not have backscroll
19:28.02RST38hAnyway, what version are you running?
19:30.32RST38h<PROTECTED>
19:31.37RST38hMghm...even when I manually mount MyDocs, I still cannot access it via USB
19:32.16RST38hii  ke-recv                                             3.19-15
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19:51.34DocScrutinizersame here
19:52.23DocScrutinizerare you sure you haven't plugged it in to USB?
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19:52.50DocScrutinizerPCsuite-mode would pretty much explain it
19:53.26RST38hDoc: I am selecting masst storagemode of course
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19:55.49Vib3hi
19:55.55Vib3hmm trying to install sendmail
19:56.08Vib3but says ->
19:56.08Vib3The following packages have unmet dependencies:
19:56.08Vib3<PROTECTED>
19:56.08Vib3<PROTECTED>
19:56.09Vib3E: Broken packages
19:56.49valdynVib3: why would you want sendmail?
19:56.54valdyn!sendmail
19:57.15Vib3just wanna send mail with script
19:57.37valdynVib3: then you dont want sendmail
19:57.59Vib3k, didn't find postfix
19:58.06Vib3valdyn: what I want then?
19:58.10valdynVib3: iirc mutt can send mail alone
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20:01.01Vib3ok, I will check it
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20:30.19DocScrutinizerRST38h: yup, exactly what I meant
20:30.31DocScrutinizersorry, I'm not focused today
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21:02.06vdvhow can i automount microsd card at boot (n900)?
21:02.25vdvif i put a script in /etc/event.d/
21:02.40vdvwith start on started hildon-desktop
21:02.45vdvis that ok?
21:03.22Sicelohmm .. doesn't that already happen automatically, or i' misunderstanding
21:03.58vdvonly if it's fat32
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21:15.20akosshHello!
21:16.03akosshI need a little help with N900
21:16.17SpeedEvil?
21:16.28akosshI'm often change SIM cards
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21:17.26akosshthe problem is, that, when i put in a Ukrainian card, the language switches to Russian, and when put in a Hungarian card, the language switches to English
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21:18.17akosshhow can i disable this behavior, what init scripts needs to modify?
21:18.24akosshhad somebody the same problem?
21:27.06Vib3hmm sendmail says -> sendmail-base: Depends: m4 but it is not installable
21:30.38Sicelod
21:37.50Vib3whats that "m4"-package?
21:37.57Vib3can't find it anywhere
21:39.12timophmacro processor
21:39.52timophavailable in the sdk repo
21:39.57timophhttp://maemo.org/packages/view/m4/
21:40.13Vib3yea, thx
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21:51.13MohammadAGany Qt gurus around?
21:51.16MohammadAGor C++ in general
21:52.02MohammadAGQObject *providerObject = qobject_cast<QObject*>(provider); returns no matching function for call to 'qobject_cast(AbstractLyricsProvider*&)'
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22:06.16MohammadAGfigured it out
22:06.32MohammadAGI forgot my class wasn't inheriting QObject :3
22:06.47MohammadAGdynamic_cast obviously fixed it
22:07.00MohammadAGQt plugins are awesome
22:07.07MohammadAGI made a basic lyrics viewer that's plugin-based
22:07.38MohammadAGbasically you have plugins for sites, right now I only have AZLyrics but anything could be implemented and loaded dynamically as .so files
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22:41.53Vib3hmm sendmail says now ->
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22:55.40MohammadAGhere's the plugin based lyrics viewer I was talking about, https://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/lyricsviewer
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22:58.25MrPinguwasn't matans modified desktop included in cssu?
23:01.22MohammadAGthe code, not the actual package
23:03.24MrPinguI thought it would be possible to assign custom shortcuts just like starting xterm from keyboard: ctrl shift x
23:03.34MrPingubut I can't figure out how...
23:04.19MrPinguAlso it's stated that ctrl shift h should go to home, something that doesn't work
23:05.42MrPinguSo is the code of the cssu exactly the same as matans desktop? I never used matans desktop as I am a born in N900 after cssu
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23:12.19MohammadAGMrPingu, yes, hold on
23:12.36MohammadAGMrPingu, http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html
23:13.02MohammadAGMrPingu, shortcuts like xterm are hardcoded in hildon-desktop, patches welcome
23:14.08MohammadAGhere's the actual code for that https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/main.c#line673
23:14.58DocScrutinizer~hail MohammadAG
23:14.58infobotACTION bows down to MohammadAG and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
23:15.42MohammadAGuni didn't ruin my memory at least...
23:16.02DocScrutinizer~rain MohammadAG
23:16.10DocScrutinizerhaha
23:16.32MrPinguI thought matan did made these shortcuts configurable, atleast possibility to create more I read somewhere on the wiki or TMO
23:16.45DocScrutinizerhmm
23:16.50DocScrutinizernot sure about that
23:16.53MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/main.c#line586 <-- can't that handle SIGTERM?
23:16.58DocScrutinizerI think he added some new ones
23:17.03MohammadAGMrPingu, no, at least not with hildon-desktop itself
23:17.26MohammadAGthe code doesn't seem to be customizable outside of it, but he did add some shortcuts
23:17.39DocScrutinizerMrPingu: plus there was a way to send dbus signals for function keys
23:17.42MohammadAGyou can do that too by editing the code and rebuilding hildon-desktop
23:17.48DocScrutinizerwhatever the def of "function key"
23:18.24MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, fn is mod5 apparently
23:18.31MohammadAGwhatever that is
23:18.51DocScrutinizersure, but I meant function-keys as in matan's definition
23:18.55MrPinguWell not for now ;p Project for after my exams
23:19.26MrPinguI don't have the brains for such devstuff yet :P
23:19.41MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, that IS matan's definition :p
23:19.51MohammadAGbraindead stuff really :P
23:20.08DocScrutinizer>>
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23:20.53MrPingu#  /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/preset_shift_ctrl
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23:21.21MrPinguWhy does the H key not work?
23:23.27MrPinguIs dbus-scripts really bad on your battery? I mean I read somewhere it monitors the dbus the whole time and waiting to act on an event, but is that monitoring really holding the cpu from it's sleep state?
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23:24.40MrPinguMatan: "The program that handles those shortcuts is hildon-desktop, which is free software. I changed it to support more (and configurable) shortcuts, and released the result as modified-hildon-desktop"
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23:25.13MrPinguYes I have that key enabled and disabled the preset
23:25.32MrPingubut still Home shortcut doesn't work
23:25.42DocScrutinizerMrPingu: (dbus scripting) no, this daemon works perfectly
23:26.58MrPinguI always hold of dbus-scripts package because I read on TMO it was not good on your battery.
23:29.48MohammadAGUnless the implementation sucks I don't think that can be true
23:31.01MrPinguhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73038&page=2
23:31.17DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: what's been your question re SIGTERM?
23:31.17MrPinguhttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1031376&postcount=20
23:31.37MrPinguSecond link I meant, that scard me away from using dbus-scripts
23:31.44DocScrutinizerMrPingu: I won't even look at that tmo rant
23:31.55MohammadAGDocScrutinizer: Can signal() handle it?
23:32.01DocScrutinizerwhy not?
23:32.34MohammadAGDocScrutinizer: Cause main() probably abruptly stops?
23:32.35DocScrutinizersignal() can handle all except SIGSTOP and SIGKILL
23:33.10MohammadAGSo can we do something after 3 SIGTERMs?
23:33.31MohammadAGErr I meant SIGSEV btw
23:33.32DocScrutinizerif you like to implement such funny stuff, yes
23:33.36MohammadAGSegfault
23:33.39DocScrutinizermeh
23:34.07MrPinguAh I trust you more than people on TMO, so I am not scard of dbus-scripts anymore then :P
23:34.13DocScrutinizeryes, you can catch SIGSEGV, otherwise dumphandlers wouldn't work
23:34.19MrPinguGoing to sleep now, bye!
23:34.27DocScrutinizern8
23:34.42DocScrutinizerMrPingu: I use dbus scripting since years
23:34.45MohammadAGSo I can catch it in main.c? Gives me ideas
23:34.50DocScrutinizerworks just nice
23:35.21MohammadAGSave number of segfaults in file, after three faults activate a recovery terminal
23:35.25vdvon n900, how can i check programmatically whether internet connection is established?
23:35.41vdvor does activating an internet connection trigger some event?
23:35.54MohammadAGIf you're using Qt there's an easy way
23:36.22vdvMohammadAG, which one?
23:38.17MohammadAGhttps://gitorious.org/qtbook/qtbook/blobs/master/mainwindow.cpp#line101 vdv
23:39.12DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: (SIGSEGV)  all that signal() does is placing addr of a callback function (the signal handler) into a location that will get jumped to on asserting that signal
23:39.56DocScrutinizerthis signal handler has to be a static void func()
23:40.02MohammadAGSo you obviously cant use pointers?
23:40.05vdvi'm not in qt actually, thought your hint can help me, but now i see i need some another way of detecting
23:40.10MohammadAGThat answers that
23:41.00MohammadAGThere's probably a standard linux way, or an icd2 way
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23:42.08vdvhow "dangerous" is the editing of files /usr/bin/osso-mmc-mount.sh and /usr/sbin/mmc-mount.sh? according to http://wiki.maemo.org/Ext2_on_microSD_card
23:42.31vdvi.e. i have ext3 formatted micro sd
23:42.43vdvand i want to automount it on boot
23:42.44DocScrutinizervdv: use CSSU!
23:43.16DocScrutinizerrecent testing mounts all just fine
23:43.37DocScrutinizereven multiple partitions on uSD
23:43.44vdvis stable one safe?
23:44.14DocScrutinizeryes, but has no multimount yet
23:45.39vdvMohammadAG, dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.icd_ui /com/nokia/icd_ui com.nokia.icd_ui.show_conn_dlg boolean:false
23:45.54vdvcall above shows change connection ui
23:46.35vdvmost likely some event also triggered when user chooses connection
23:46.43vdvand connection establishes
23:47.06DocScrutinizerthere's for sure a dbus-signal when connection gets established, yes
23:47.10MohammadAGhttp://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/icd2/group__dbus__api.html#gafcbb73b4f35ce6f807baad88c6ced92
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23:47.20MohammadAGvdv: ^
23:48.04vdvhmm.. state query
23:48.31vdvit's already close
23:49.21vdvi can add a check to script
23:49.26vdvand run script on cron
23:50.00vdvbut the best scenario, is when my script is invoked automatically when inet is on
23:50.16vdvand process kill when go offline
23:51.41vdvMohammadAG, for example, pressing connect pc suite button, invokes /usr/sbin/pcsuite-enable.sh script
23:52.26DocScrutinizererr
23:53.14DocScrutinizerthere's the variant that gets sent whenever a connection comes up or goes down
23:53.28DocScrutinizerall you need to do is listen dbus for that very signal
23:53.55DocScrutinizerjust read on some 2 boxes down
23:54.18DocScrutinizeryou could even use dbus scripting for that
23:54.33vdvDocScrutinizer, then i end up on having a process which monitors that, right?
23:54.41DocScrutinizersure
23:55.16DocScrutinizere.g. dbus-scriptingd
23:55.23DocScrutinizeror whatever it's called
23:55.28vdvif so, then i'd better let offlineimap daemon run on background
23:55.39DocScrutinizero.O
23:55.59vdvwhen inet comes up, it'll synchronize
23:56.08DocScrutinizerso what?
23:56.28vdvwhen there's no internet connection, i hope it'll sleep
23:56.35vdvand not eat processor too much
23:56.47DocScrutinizeryou asked for a way to run some stuff when a connection gets established, well that is it
23:57.06vdvDocScrutinizer, sorry, yes i know
23:58.56DocScrutinizernfc what offlineimapdaemon will do during offline
23:59.13DocScrutinizerI'd guess it's doing exactly the same
23:59.47DocScrutinizerlistening to dbus signals telling there's a connection coming up

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