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| 12:40.28 | Macer | well... friday i am going to get a lumia 900 |
| 12:40.57 | Macer | time to move on with the 2nd n900 ive had in just as many years breaking on me |
| 12:40.59 | Macer | :) |
| 12:41.16 | Macer | plus the ms os actually looks pretty damn awesome |
| 12:41.55 | Macer | i doubt nokia will honor the warranty for it |
| 12:42.24 | Macer | i might open it later and see if i can see a solder break by the sim but either way i want to ditch tmob anyways... they totally suck |
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| 12:45.40 | HRH_H_Crab | i wish people wouldnt keep reminding me of the mortality of n900s... |
| 12:45.47 | HRH_H_Crab | esp. as i havent bought a spare yet /o\ |
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| 12:53.07 | Macer | lol |
| 12:53.29 | Macer | well... they sure had their flaws |
| 12:53.35 | Macer | the usb port was a biggie |
| 12:55.44 | Macer | i love the device but after this one i'm done :) |
| 12:55.54 | Macer | it will find its place in the drawer next to the n810 heh |
| 12:58.23 | chem|st | HRH_H_Crab: my first n900 still lasts... |
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| 13:00.53 | chem|st | Macer: WinMo... insane... |
| 13:01.33 | chem|st | there were more n9s sold than lumia xxxs... guess why! |
| 13:01.38 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 13:01.46 | chem|st | o/ |
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| 13:02.00 | DocScrutinizer | 3 pcs N900 here now |
| 13:02.09 | DocScrutinizer | not averse getting a 4th one |
| 13:02.30 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: you'll get mine if my sister doesn't want it |
| 13:02.40 | DocScrutinizer | though no defects on any of them yet, apart from case scratching caused by me stepping on it |
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| 13:03.27 | DocScrutinizer | (no, it wasn't on purpose ;-P ) |
| 13:03.29 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: suggestions for a new toy? |
| 13:03.50 | Macer | chem|st: i think the lumia 900 is different |
| 13:03.52 | Macer | they are selling well |
| 13:04.00 | Macer | and picking up momentum |
| 13:04.04 | DocScrutinizer | errr, if I had any, I'd not look for a pile of N900 to survive the dark times |
| 13:04.18 | tadzik | how often do your N900s break? |
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| 13:05.00 | DocScrutinizer | ooh I had a defect: FPC went bonkers -> black screen |
| 13:05.12 | DocScrutinizer | took Nokia 5 weeks to repair |
| 13:05.18 | chem|st | tadzik: never |
| 13:06.00 | Macer | lol |
| 13:06.11 | chem|st | it even survived wheat-beer coke mix 0.5L |
| 13:06.46 | chem|st | it is still my primary phone |
| 13:07.26 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: n900 new on ebay for 250eur |
| 13:07.37 | tadzik | heh. Hearing all those "I still haven't bought my spare one" |
| 13:07.46 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 13:08.14 | Macer | http://www.dailytech.com/Windows+Phones+First+Hit+Nokia+Lumia+900+LTE+Sells+Out/article24476.htm |
| 13:08.21 | DocScrutinizer | tadzik: if they would break every 3 monts, do you think I'd bother getting spare? |
| 13:08.35 | tadzik | why, that's what I'm asking about |
| 13:08.54 | Sicelo | win 28 |
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| 13:09.10 | DocScrutinizer | because it's getting harder to get spare, and eventually every hw will break |
| 13:09.11 | Macer | windows mobile's first hit lol |
| 13:09.27 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: my mom still uses a 7 year old razr :-P |
| 13:09.31 | HRH_H_Crab | chem|st: mine too |
| 13:09.36 | Macer | but that was when motorola built stuff in the US |
| 13:09.47 | Macer | and quality was a major concern |
| 13:09.54 | HRH_H_Crab | since i read about the charger connection problem and really got to like that phone, |
| 13:09.58 | HRH_H_Crab | ive been really careful with it! |
| 13:10.03 | Macer | now companies make throwaway electronics |
| 13:10.16 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 13:10.22 | HRH_H_Crab | i look after my n900 more carefully than most people with a brand new iphone! |
| 13:10.51 | Macer | the only incentive for a company to upgrade stuff and create new features is because then consumers don't feel so bad they have to throw a phone away they bought for $500 about 2 years prior |
| 13:11.52 | DocScrutinizer | well, I already "used up" 2 keymats (both have some paint coming off, usually on e/3 key) |
| 13:12.08 | Macer | i did that as well on my last n900 |
| 13:12.20 | Macer | the current one was actually holding up quite well tho |
| 13:12.22 | DocScrutinizer | and I 2 times dropped a N900, one time even stepped on it trying to catch it with my foot |
| 13:12.27 | Macer | too bad the sim rader is jacked up |
| 13:12.43 | Macer | i can do the paper thing but that's jut ghetto.. and eventually that will no longer work as well |
| 13:12.48 | Macer | jut/just |
| 13:12.54 | chem|st | Macer: build in the US and quality is an oxymoron... |
| 13:13.15 | Macer | please don't use the car industry as an example ;) |
| 13:13.26 | StyXman | chem|st: I wonder, what country would you trust for building stuff? |
| 13:13.29 | Macer | my parents had a zenith television for 2 decades with no problems |
| 13:13.32 | Macer | lol |
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| 13:13.51 | Macer | they also had a receiver that was made by a US company that they still have and still functions perfectly |
| 13:13.52 | StyXman | chem|st: I'm not from USA, so go ahead :) |
| 13:13.54 | chem|st | StyXman: germany... |
| 13:14.00 | StyXman | chem|st: hmm, true |
| 13:14.02 | StyXman | finland |
| 13:14.13 | Macer | StyXman: :-P my nokia n900 was made in finland |
| 13:14.28 | chem|st | Made in W. Germany still applies! |
| 13:14.29 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't mean a thing |
| 13:14.38 | Macer | with its broken sim reader that was bought in china |
| 13:14.43 | DocScrutinizer | (made in finland) |
| 13:14.46 | chem|st | Macer: your n900 was made in china... |
| 13:14.52 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 13:14.54 | Macer | chem|st: heh |
| 13:15.09 | Macer | all electronics are made in china :-P |
| 13:15.13 | chem|st | Macer: all n900s even the developer ones are made in china |
| 13:15.18 | DocScrutinizer | or japan |
| 13:15.21 | StyXman | Macer: mine says the same, and the green led doesn't work anymore after... 5months? |
| 13:15.23 | DocScrutinizer | or korea? |
| 13:15.48 | chem|st | StyXman: that might be a mce problem... |
| 13:15.53 | DocScrutinizer | StyXman: might be starting FPC connector problem |
| 13:16.05 | Macer | StyXman: about 5 months for mine as well ;) |
| 13:16.16 | Macer | before the sim reader just suddenly stopped working |
| 13:16.44 | Macer | the chinese character for months and years must have been confusing |
| 13:16.52 | Macer | since most chinese electronics have a 5 year lifespan |
| 13:17.03 | Macer | at least that has been the case in my experience |
| 13:17.07 | DocScrutinizer | I actually don't think N900 early failures are significantly higher than on any other device of same complexity |
| 13:17.14 | Macer | timed solder :) |
| 13:17.39 | DocScrutinizer | nonsense |
| 13:18.01 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: i will not believe it when someone does a study on it and proves me wrong :) |
| 13:18.14 | DocScrutinizer | aah, well you mean electronic devices made in china, not parts |
| 13:18.17 | Macer | those asians are doing something |
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| 13:19.00 | Macer | i say timed solder... or pathways that are set to break when exposed to a certain amount of heat for x amount of time |
| 13:19.15 | DocScrutinizer | a chinese SMT LED has no way less livespan than any other one |
| 13:19.16 | Macer | solder would be easier tho.. i'm sure you can make an easy mixture which corodes after a certain amount of time |
| 13:19.18 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: on rebuy for 170eur |
| 13:20.05 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: if everything lasted forever china would have a few billion starving people with no factories to work in |
| 13:20.05 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: usually no new ones |
| 13:20.13 | StyXman | Macer: lemme guess, you´re trolling, right? |
| 13:20.28 | Macer | i mean they're still starving.. but at least they have factories to keep their minds off the hunger :) |
| 13:20.31 | Macer | StyXman: a little bit |
| 13:20.41 | Macer | i'm being serious about the timed electronics tho |
| 13:21.11 | Macer | i honestly believe there is something going on in asia where the electronics are timed to malfunction |
| 13:21.20 | DocScrutinizer | chinese stuff often is lacking any "useless" protection circuits etc |
| 13:21.28 | StyXman | Macer: most advanced countries' economies are based in consume. if shit didn't break, there would be muuuuch less consume |
| 13:21.43 | Macer | StyXman: of course... but that's why you make new and innovative things |
| 13:21.45 | StyXman | here in .fr it's cheaper to but a new vacuum than to reapir one |
| 13:21.56 | DocScrutinizer | which results in those devices much easier break on e.g. ESD events that a decent device would survive without problems |
| 13:22.00 | Macer | StyXman: that is every place |
| 13:22.05 | Macer | like i said.. throwaway electronics |
| 13:22.17 | Macer | walmart ruined the world :) |
| 13:22.21 | StyXman | Macer: you haven't been much ti the «third world», did you? |
| 13:22.30 | Macer | sure.. i've been all over the world |
| 13:22.40 | Macer | india was probably the worst |
| 13:22.50 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: link? |
| 13:22.52 | Macer | and i thought we had ghettoes here :) |
| 13:22.59 | Macer | india is one giant slum |
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| 13:24.13 | Macer | but what do 3rd world countries have to do with asians using corrosive solder on purpose to keep sales up? |
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| 13:24.56 | StyXman | Macer: in the country I grew up we repair shit because they're expensive |
| 13:25.21 | StyXman | I repaired all kinds of appliances |
| 13:25.36 | StyXman | but the main difference is: you can get the spare parts in shops |
| 13:25.50 | StyXman | here I can't find any |
| 13:26.40 | Macer | off the top of your head was there a bigger ratio of things requiring repair which came from asia as opposed from other countries? |
| 13:26.46 | narcos | Hi all. On my N900 I've setup openvpn in bridge (layer 2) mode. It works fine. What I want now is to create an access point such that devices connect to my phone, and have their layer2 traffic also bridged over the vpn. I've created a soft AP with airbase, and can connect. But I don't know how to forward the layer 2 traffic over the tap0 interface. Help? |
| 13:26.46 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: http://www.rebuy.de/kaufen/suchen?q=n900&x=0&y=0 |
| 13:27.13 | StyXman | Macer: well, to be honest, most where from the country itself, and china too |
| 13:27.19 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: sure not new, would it be rebuy if new? |
| 13:27.25 | StyXman | but I won't blame it on planned obsolesence |
| 13:27.43 | StyXman | but more on bad quality stuff |
| 13:27.48 | Macer | probably because you didn't consider it ;) |
| 13:28.03 | Macer | someone crunching numbers somewhere did tho |
| 13:28.33 | StyXman | Macer: it doesn't make sense if people can't buy your stuff |
| 13:28.50 | StyXman | the vacuum is broken? take a broom... |
| 13:29.01 | Macer | ever try sweeping a carpet? |
| 13:29.08 | Macer | it really sucks |
| 13:29.11 | StyXman | Macer: carpet? wassat? |
| 13:29.11 | narcos | I think maybe I need to create a bridge between at0 (the soft AP) and tap0 ? |
| 13:29.20 | Macer | lol |
| 13:29.28 | Macer | rug? |
| 13:29.36 | StyXman | I mean, we took the only one we had for cleaning like once every year |
| 13:30.04 | StyXman | we didn't get a color tv until well into the '90 |
| 13:30.11 | narcos | (on that second note - there doesn't seem to be the bridge-utils package available for maemo?) |
| 13:30.16 | StyXman | the VCR came later |
| 13:30.24 | StyXman | even later a cd player |
| 13:30.31 | StyXman | and only a few years ago a dvd |
| 13:30.52 | chem|st | 1st cd player was '93, a gift to my sister |
| 13:30.59 | StyXman | and we were middle class, or what's left of it |
| 13:31.28 | StyXman | chem|st: for her own use, or for her family'suse? |
| 13:31.44 | StyXman | I never hav a walkman or portable cd player |
| 13:32.03 | StyXman | well, enough ranting |
| 13:32.10 | Macer | in soviet russia we make new well to drink for chernobyl incident |
| 13:32.24 | StyXman | Macer: :))) |
| 13:32.25 | chem|st | 1st cd in our houshold |
| 13:32.29 | StyXman | a little bit of that |
| 13:32.48 | chem|st | but her's |
| 13:33.35 | DocScrutinizer | narcos: sorry, no clue |
| 13:34.03 | DocScrutinizer | narcos: for stuff like that you usually need powerkernel |
| 13:34.37 | narcos | DocScrutinizerJust managed to find brctl in busybox-power |
| 13:34.40 | narcos | :) |
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| 13:35.05 | DocScrutinizer | does it work? :) |
| 13:35.30 | narcos | DocScrutinizer: Downloading - slow GPRS conection |
| 13:35.34 | narcos | *connection |
| 13:36.12 | DocScrutinizer | DESCRIPTION |
| 13:36.14 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.32 | DocScrutinizer | emphasis on "in the ... kernel" |
| 13:36.47 | narcos | DocScrutinizer: What do you mean? |
| 13:37.09 | DocScrutinizer | I mean stock kernel doesn't support such "useless" things, you need powerkernel |
| 13:37.41 | narcos | Hmm @ the phone prompting me with "Warning: this package touches an essential system binary! Even though installation should be safe, a reflash may be required if something goes wrong" |
| 13:37.58 | narcos | DocScrutinizer: I'm not sure what you mean - I need to update my kernel? |
| 13:38.07 | DocScrutinizer | thumbs up at messybox |
| 13:38.29 | DocScrutinizer | narcos: yes, that's what I suspect you will find out in the end |
| 13:38.53 | narcos | DocScrutinizer: Dang - is that a difficult thing to do? i.e. I don't know how |
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| 13:39.15 | DocScrutinizer | check for kernel-power in packages interface |
| 13:39.27 | DocScrutinizer | there's also a thread on tmo |
| 13:39.49 | DocScrutinizer | about "kernel-power v50" OWTTE |
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| 13:40.21 | DocScrutinizer | and I'm not completely sure if bridging is supported in stock kernel as well |
| 13:40.36 | narcos | Well, brctl installed, but doesn't seem to work, so I suspect you're right |
| 13:40.56 | DocScrutinizer | if it's needed for e.g. DUN or sth, it might already be there |
| 13:40.56 | narcos | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.58 | narcos | Nokia-N900:~# brctl show |
| 13:40.58 | narcos | brctl: SIOCGIFBR: Package not installed |
| 13:40.58 | narcos | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.10 | DocScrutinizer | see? |
| 13:41.39 | narcos | Hmm @ : |
| 13:41.40 | narcos | Nokia-N900:~# ls -l /usr/bin/brctl |
| 13:41.40 | narcos | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Apr 18 15:36 /usr/bin/brctl -> /bin/busybox |
| 13:41.44 | narcos | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.50 | narcos | It's just a link to the busybox interpreter ? |
| 13:41.59 | StyXman | narcos: it's ok |
| 13:42.02 | DocScrutinizer | that's how messybox works, yes |
| 13:42.12 | DocScrutinizer | ~messybox |
| 13:42.12 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 13:42.14 | StyXman | what you need is some support in the kernel you´re runnig |
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| 13:42.51 | narcos | StyXman: Could you elaborate ? I'm feeling a little confused |
| 13:43.31 | StyXman | narcos: you have to things to create a bridge: |
| 13:43.32 | DocScrutinizer | t900:~# apt-cache search kernel-power |
| 13:43.34 | DocScrutinizer | multiboot-kernel-power - Maemo 'kernel-power' configuration for multiboot |
| 13:43.35 | DocScrutinizer | kernel-power - Flashable Linux kernel (kernel power 2.6.28.10) |
| 13:43.52 | StyXman | a) kernel code that actually simulates a switch between your interfaces and |
| 13:44.03 | StyXman | b) a CLI util to manage it |
| 13:44.11 | StyXman | you have b), you need a) |
| 13:44.58 | narcos | StyXman: Ah, OK. So brctl is (b) - but it can't do its business with the current kernel? |
| 13:45.08 | StyXman | narcos: AFAIK, no |
| 13:45.13 | narcos | Oh |
| 13:45.17 | DocScrutinizer | no netfilters/ipchains, no bridging on stock kernel |
| 13:45.30 | StyXman | the original kernel lacks support for several things, mainly because the phone was not meant to do them |
| 13:45.45 | narcos | DocScrutinizer: To install that new kernel, is it just a case of "apt-get install kernel-power" ? |
| 13:46.05 | DocScrutinizer | narcos: I strongly suggest you use HAM for that |
| 13:46.40 | narcos | What's a HAM ? |
| 13:46.40 | DocScrutinizer | but basically yes, get the 3 relevant pkgs: kernel, kernel-flasher, kernel-modules |
| 13:46.50 | narcos | The application manager? |
| 13:46.50 | DocScrutinizer | Hildon AppMan |
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| 13:47.40 | DocScrutinizer | so yes |
| 13:47.58 | narcos | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.14 | DocScrutinizer | you definitely want to read a bit about powerkernel prior to messing with it |
| 13:48.51 | narcos | Currently sitting on http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power :) |
| 13:49.01 | narcos | This is cool, thanks for the help guys |
| 13:49.01 | DocScrutinizer | you don't need to google HAM though, it's simply the default GUI appman |
| 13:49.18 | DocScrutinizer | yep, that's a good starting point I guess |
| 13:49.42 | narcos | Oh right - the one that comes with the phone on the main desktop? |
| 13:49.52 | narcos | Doh, i've been trying to search for it to install it |
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| 13:51.59 | StyXman | narcos: stick around and you'll learn maemospeak quite fast :) |
| 13:52.16 | narcos | heh, will do :) |
| 13:52.18 | narcos | I dig this phone |
| 13:55.22 | narcos | Hmm I seem to have an old maemo. "The kernel package was previously called kernel-flasher-maemo" - that's what I see in my application list |
| 13:55.48 | narcos | But I also see "Linux kernel for power user (boot image for multiboot)" |
| 13:58.37 | narcos | Although, checking my current kernel, it looks like I already have the power one? : |
| 13:58.37 | narcos | The kernel package was previously called kernel-flasher-maemo |
| 13:58.47 | narcos | (wrong paste) |
| 13:58.48 | narcos | This: |
| 13:58.49 | narcos | Nokia-N900:~# uname -r |
| 13:58.49 | narcos | 2.6.28.10power40-wl1 |
| 13:59.52 | StyXman | narcos: it's not the original, that's for sure |
| 14:00.27 | narcos | StyXman: So I've installed the pwniexpress pwnphone image |
| 14:00.33 | narcos | I suspect that may be the cause |
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| 14:04.38 | narcos | Maybe a later power kernel is what I need |
| 14:15.16 | narcos | Phew, this stuff's giving me a headache, back to other work, I'll pick it up later. Catch y'all later! |
| 14:25.39 | DocScrutinizer | narcos: get kernel-power50 |
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| 14:27.38 | DocScrutinizer | nfc what's this pwnphone mage, and esp which version/tweaks vs "proper" maemo |
| 14:27.51 | narcos | DocScrutinizer: OK cool. I'll see if I can get that installed. |
| 14:27.56 | StyXman | can I please pretty please replace the date chooser? it s**ks... |
| 14:28.06 | RST38h | Hehe |
| 14:28.09 | RST38h | While overflying a region 113.4 km from entry point at a height of 1500 meters, UAV's instruments and GPS failed and visual contact with the ground was lost. Non-essential systems were put into standby to maximize battery life and UAV was placed into freefall. As of this date, ? years later, UAV is still transmitting and is still in a state of freefall. |
| 14:28.37 | DocScrutinizer | StyXman: it sucks big time. I thought about replacing the shit in gtk lib |
| 14:28.51 | DocScrutinizer | but it seems that's not an easy thing to do |
| 14:29.21 | RST38h | Am I the only one thinking tha the date chooser is a'ok? =) |
| 14:29.35 | StyXman | RST38h: it has no DOW reference |
| 14:29.53 | DocScrutinizer | narcos: from your uname -a I gather your pwmphone thing has WLAN injection patches |
| 14:30.01 | StyXman | so «next thursday» is a guess excercise |
| 14:30.05 | narcos | DocScrutinizer: Yeah it does |
| 14:30.07 | DocScrutinizer | kernel-power50 should come with these as well |
| 14:30.23 | StyXman | RST38h: where's that quote from? |
| 14:30.24 | DocScrutinizer | StyXman: exactly |
| 14:30.28 | DocScrutinizer | useless crap |
| 14:30.33 | RST38h | StyXman: google |
| 14:30.46 | StyXman | RST38h: «google» is quite big... |
| 14:31.53 | LaoLang_cool | Any way on pc to know if there's any update for maemo cssu? |
| 14:32.13 | narcos | DocScrutinizer: To get a newer listing of kernel-power should I do an apt-get update .. ? |
| 14:32.28 | DocScrutinizer | StyXman: btw all slotmachine choosers suck |
| 14:32.41 | LaoLang_cool | A way needn't to run `apt-get update` on maemo |
| 14:33.19 | DocScrutinizer | narcos: I suggest you get the 3 *.dpk and install with dpkg |
| 14:33.30 | RST38h | Doc: falsely make you think the money will start streaming out of them if you get the right combination? |
| 14:33.40 | narcos | DocScrutinizer: Oh, and on the WLAN injection note - yeah those patches allow me to create a soft access point easily with airbase, which is useful. |
| 14:33.43 | DocScrutinizer | or see if apt-get update will find it in extras-devel |
| 14:33.56 | narcos | DocScrutinizer: OK cool I'll try that |
| 14:35.11 | DocScrutinizer | sorry headache, bbl |
| 14:35.29 | narcos | DocScrutinizer: Ah sorry to hear that, feel better soon! |
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| 14:36.33 | narcos | Anyone know where I can find the kernel .config file on maemo? I'd like to check if CONFIG_BRIDGE is in there. |
| 14:39.03 | narcos | Hm, maybe I need to install the headers |
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| 14:40.01 | DocScrutinizer | ask Pali |
| 14:42.59 | DocScrutinizer | I think there been a way to read defconfig from device |
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| 14:45.01 | vdv | somebody tried to point modest to repository of offlineimap? |
| 14:45.24 | vdv | i.e. displaying offlineimap folders in modest |
| 14:45.49 | vdv | http://wiki.maemo.org/Improving_Modest_email_sync_reliability |
| 14:46.44 | DocScrutinizer | rx51power_defconfig probably |
| 14:47.35 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.de/search?q=rx51power_defconfig |
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| 15:00.30 | vdv | anyone here using CSSU on n900? |
| 15:00.42 | vdv | is it reliable enough? |
| 15:01.10 | Sicelo | if in doubt, use CSSU-Stable |
| 15:01.21 | Sicelo | it's stable.. i use it |
| 15:01.54 | vdv | how much modest is impoved there? |
| 15:02.16 | vdv | Sicelo, do you use modest often? |
| 15:04.13 | StyXman | I use CSSU, but never used modest... yet? |
| 15:06.14 | vdv | StyXman, which email client do you use then? |
| 15:07.23 | StyXman | vdv: none |
| 15:07.26 | StyXman | :| |
| 15:08.33 | vdv | )) |
| 15:10.50 | narcos | DocScrutinizer: Installed powerkernel50 - same trouble with brctl :( |
| 15:13.58 | DocScrutinizer | I assume you're trying this with root permissions? |
| 15:15.06 | narcos | yeah |
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| 15:16.15 | DocScrutinizer | then I dunno. Check if bridging is enabled via defconfig, ask Pali |
| 15:17.00 | DocScrutinizer | not even sure if what you try to do is supported at all, I.E. if you try to do a sane allowed thing |
| 15:17.31 | narcos | OK I'll play with defconfig |
| 15:18.09 | narcos | Totally not sure if what I'm trying to do is sane either |
| 15:18.15 | narcos | Pali: Ping :) |
| 15:20.44 | luke-jr | WTF |
| 15:20.56 | luke-jr | I configured Maemo SIP keepalive to 30 seconds |
| 15:21.04 | luke-jr | but it's doing it every HALF A SECOND -.- |
| 15:23.44 | DocScrutinizer | bah, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/free/source/k/kernel-power/kernel-power_2.6.28.orig.tar.gz : 69MB |
| 15:23.53 | Gh0sty | http://mosh.mit.edu/ |
| 15:24.01 | Gh0sty | would be cool for n900 perhaps? :) |
| 15:24.02 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: haha |
| 15:24.10 | Sicelo | vdv.. not modest so often.. but occasionally, yes.. i use mutt daily ;) |
| 15:26.14 | luke-jr | 1 minute seems to do every 30 seconds for real |
| 15:27.59 | chem|st | Sicelo: mutt is my primary mail client... |
| 15:29.53 | HRH_H_Crab | Gh0sty: if you look on the forum there is kind of a build for mosh |
| 15:30.05 | HRH_H_Crab | i tried to install it yesterday without much luck. |
| 15:30.35 | HRH_H_Crab | hopefully a slightly more "official" build will make the repos soon, or at least debian will get in it squeeze backports for arm so we can run it in a chroot. |
| 15:30.44 | HRH_H_Crab | for some reason they support other arches but not arm... |
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| 15:38.16 | vdv | is there any sources for modest-nokiamessaging plugin or is that proprietary? |
| 15:39.03 | DocScrutinizer | (mosh) >>Roaming with SSP becomes easy: the client sends datagrams to the server with increasing sequence numbers, including a heartbeat at least once every three seconds.<< WUT? every THREE seconds?? |
| 15:39.20 | DocScrutinizer | even while idle? farewell standby time |
| 15:40.08 | DocScrutinizer | and those fools declare that as MObileSHell? BWAHAHAHA |
| 15:41.00 | HRH_H_Crab | DocScrutinizer: well presumably it cant send the heartbeat if the network isnt up... |
| 15:41.13 | DocScrutinizer | so what? |
| 15:41.31 | StyXman | HRH_H_Crab: you still wake up the cpu |
| 15:41.38 | StyXman | and the transmitter |
| 15:41.45 | narcos | DocScrutinizer: Was that 69mb url for me? |
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| 15:41.55 | HRH_H_Crab | StyXman: the point im trying to make, |
| 15:41.57 | DocScrutinizer | you still wake up GSM/UMTS TX, *that's* the point |
| 15:42.04 | HRH_H_Crab | is that if you dont want mosh to use power |
| 15:42.07 | HRH_H_Crab | close the terminal... |
| 15:42.10 | HRH_H_Crab | :P |
| 15:42.23 | DocScrutinizer | narcos: somewhat, I guess most recent rx51_defconfig is in there |
| 15:43.15 | narcos | DocScrutinizer: OK ta |
| 15:43.16 | DocScrutinizer | HRH_H_Crab: hahaha |
| 15:43.33 | HRH_H_Crab | DocScrutinizer: o.k. |
| 15:43.43 | HRH_H_Crab | let me put it another way |
| 15:43.56 | HRH_H_Crab | are you saying that you think mosh will use more power than a standard ssh session? |
| 15:44.13 | DocScrutinizer | yes, extremely more |
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| 15:44.25 | HRH_H_Crab | why? |
| 15:44.28 | Creteil | hi all |
| 15:44.32 | HRH_H_Crab | (all other things being equal) |
| 15:44.44 | DocScrutinizer | because of what I quoted above |
| 15:45.01 | DocScrutinizer | it makes UMTS *send* data every 3 seconds |
| 15:45.02 | HRH_H_Crab | but if you just leave an ssh session connected, |
| 15:45.03 | HRH_H_Crab | and idle |
| 15:45.16 | HRH_H_Crab | its still going to send and receive data |
| 15:45.22 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 15:45.33 | Creteil | maemo builder reject compilation with : undefined reference to `osName' someone have an idea ? (it compile fine under scratchbox ...) |
| 15:45.54 | HRH_H_Crab | DocScrutinizer: are you talking about just idling? |
| 15:46.18 | HRH_H_Crab | versus reading mail over ssh, or doing other useful stuff that people might normally use ssh for? |
| 15:46.37 | jpinx | in the N900 is there a way to list the apps installed in a read/use-able text-file format? |
| 15:46.54 | StyXman | jpinx: dpkg -l ? |
| 15:47.02 | HRH_H_Crab | say im reading through my mail in ssh its got to send and receive packets (but not send that 3 second heartbeat) |
| 15:47.11 | Creteil | jpinx, dpkg -l "*" | grep ii | awk '{print $2}' |
| 15:47.17 | jpinx | StyXman: heh - that easy? :) |
| 15:47.21 | HRH_H_Crab | with mosh im guessing it sends and receives about as much data (when doing the same task) plus the heartbeats |
| 15:47.43 | jpinx | Thanks Creteil :) |
| 15:47.46 | Creteil | jpinx, or just : dpkg -l "*" | grep ii |
| 15:47.51 | Creteil | for more infos ... |
| 15:47.52 | HRH_H_Crab | i guess you feel those heartbeats will consume a non trivial amount of extra battery? |
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| 15:48.07 | HRH_H_Crab | (im honestly interested because i think the local echo thing is quite nice) |
| 15:48.42 | StyXman | Creteil: dpkg -l alone does the grep ii part :) |
| 15:48.59 | DocScrutinizer | HRH_H_Crab: I talk about those 30s you read output of last command before you start typing next command |
| 15:49.57 | HRH_H_Crab | i dunno. i guess i can sort of see your point. |
| 15:50.24 | jpinx | StyXman: got it thanks :) |
| 15:50.30 | HRH_H_Crab | i wont be convinced though until ive had a chance to play with it and see how it actually affects my battery life. |
| 15:51.00 | DocScrutinizer | HRH_H_Crab: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption#3.5G_data.2C_short_pings |
| 15:51.36 | DocScrutinizer | vs: >>3G connected, good signal, no data or other activity +8 mA.<< |
| 15:51.38 | HRH_H_Crab | DocScrutinizer: well i tend to keep my phone in 2G mode. |
| 15:51.49 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter THAT much |
| 15:53.55 | DocScrutinizer | calling this thing a dedicated MOBILE shell is outright over the top |
| 15:54.55 | HRH_H_Crab | yeah but thats just a catchy name. |
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| 15:55.13 | HRH_H_Crab | its more than likely a backronym! ;P |
| 15:55.26 | HRH_H_Crab | "whats cool and ends with sh? metal is cool! mosh!" |
| 15:57.40 | DocScrutinizer | anyway: mosh over 3G: 3h standby,. mosh over 2G: 7h standby. My humble guess of best case figures you get |
| 15:58.01 | DocScrutinizer | *idle* |
| 15:58.22 | chem|st | mosh? |
| 15:58.46 | chem|st | mobile shell? |
| 15:58.47 | DocScrutinizer | http://mosh.mit.edu/ |
| 15:58.54 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 15:59.02 | HRH_H_Crab | DocScrutinizer: im rarely more than 7 hours away from a charger! ;P |
| 15:59.22 | HRH_H_Crab | if i was i might be forced to consider a different phone /o\ |
| 15:59.47 | HRH_H_Crab | (because the battery in this one is no spring chicken) |
| 15:59.50 | StyXman | HRH_H_Crab: 'cause you're the lucky ones whose usb port is not borked :) |
| 15:59.54 | HRH_H_Crab | yeah |
| 16:00.09 | StyXman | has thre rotang batteries |
| 16:00.39 | chem|st | so mosh is client based right? |
| 16:00.48 | chem|st | so no mosh server? |
| 16:00.57 | chem|st | just reading... |
| 16:01.38 | DocScrutinizer | it invokes server via SSH |
| 16:01.42 | chem|st | ok |
| 16:01.45 | chem|st | got that |
| 16:02.05 | DocScrutinizer | then establishes own UDP connection on port 60...61000 |
| 16:02.24 | DocScrutinizer | where the NAT nightmare already starts |
| 16:02.29 | HRH_H_Crab | heh |
| 16:02.58 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: then sends a keepalive every 3 seconds |
| 16:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 16:03.35 | HRH_H_Crab | i would have said "are you alive?" more than "keepalive" |
| 16:03.54 | chem|st | $localprovider = NATdevils |
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| 16:04.47 | chem|st | was wondering about SIP working on 3G... but it actually finds it's path |
| 16:05.19 | DocScrutinizer | I mean, what's the URL? MIT.EDU?? can't they come up with somthing with a little bit more common sense? |
| 16:05.50 | HRH_H_Crab | hahah |
| 16:06.28 | chem|st | mit.gov? |
| 16:07.06 | chem|st | mit.we-think-we-are-elite.edu? |
| 16:07.43 | chem|st | l8er |
| 16:09.08 | HRH_H_Crab | anyway, although i use ssh heavily on my n900 its rarely for more than an hour at a time or so. |
| 16:09.22 | HRH_H_Crab | what appeals to me bout mosh, is that if im on a train, and it goes through a tunnel, |
| 16:09.42 | HRH_H_Crab | i have to restart the connection, and log back in. |
| 16:09.52 | HRH_H_Crab | im guessing that with mosh, i just have to restart the connection. |
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| 16:10.21 | HRH_H_Crab | saves on an up-arrow & return |
| 16:10.21 | HRH_H_Crab | ;P |
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| 16:11.49 | DocScrutinizer | don't get me wrong, the basic idea of mosh is nice. I just question some implementation details |
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| 16:12.45 | DocScrutinizer | and yes, for short poweruser sessions mosh might be just OK |
| 16:13.06 | HRH_H_Crab | i dont think your questions are unreasonable. |
| 16:13.13 | HRH_H_Crab | i would say they are thought provoking |
| 16:13.15 | HRH_H_Crab | :) |
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| 16:51.38 | DocScrutinizer | ponders slapping together a poor_mans_mosh script, consisting of ssh, screen, and a while true loop |
| 16:52.45 | DocScrutinizer | of course it would lack this nifty prediction-stuff for temporary local echo |
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| 18:26.11 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
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| 19:56.32 | Chekars | Hi! |
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| 19:58.20 | DocScrutinizer | hi |
| 19:59.05 | Chekars | How's it going? |
| 19:59.21 | DocScrutinizer | headache, but you don't wanna know |
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| 20:00.54 | Chekars | Ouch |
| 20:01.06 | Chekars | Cool handle |
| 20:01.12 | Chekars | Are you a doctor? |
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| 20:01.31 | DocScrutinizer | fun thing - I dunno whether from flu or from the doping my doctor prescribed me against it |
| 20:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | nope, no doctor |
| 20:01.55 | narcos | *plop* |
| 20:01.56 | SpeedEvil | I recommend one ibuprofen, one paracetamol, and some coffee |
| 20:02.07 | narcos | Dang - bad luck still having that headache DocScrutinizer |
| 20:02.30 | DocScrutinizer | well, I learnt yesterday clenbuterol has that effect |
| 20:02.41 | DocScrutinizer | X-P |
| 20:03.19 | DocScrutinizer | so probably I'm taking a medicine since 2 weeks to cure my flu, and the symptoms are not from flu but from the medicine |
| 20:03.39 | DocScrutinizer | funny paradoxon |
| 20:03.42 | narcos | ouch |
| 20:05.20 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: exactly what I will do right away now |
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| 20:49.07 | vdv | looks for a usable email client for his n900 |
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| 21:37.09 | MrPingu | Well something totally different; What are the most challenging and well build games for the N900? I mean I really enjoy frogatto, brainparty and colorflood. All are smooth and nice, but theres also "junk" in the repos. Anyone knows a good and challenging timekiller for the N900? |
| 21:38.53 | SpeedEvil | I spent way too much time on angry birds. |
| 21:39.00 | SpeedEvil | - though no longer available |
| 21:39.16 | tadzik | MrPingu: Mahjong is a killer timekiller for me |
| 21:39.46 | DocScrutinizer | actually the only game I ever used for >30min is numpty physics |
| 21:40.16 | SpeedEvil | I think the game I played for the most time other than AB was nethack |
| 21:40.22 | SpeedEvil | but that was the console version |
| 21:40.26 | DocScrutinizer | and maybe occasionally a minesweeper ;-P |
| 21:40.34 | SpeedEvil | Oh! |
| 21:40.49 | SpeedEvil | I wore out a protector playing 'blocks' |
| 21:41.25 | DocScrutinizer | aaah yes, this |
| 21:41.35 | DocScrutinizer | too, occasionally |
| 21:41.50 | DocScrutinizer | but then I'm no games fanatic |
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| 21:48.55 | MrPingu | Aaah I hate my wireless =/ |
| 21:49.56 | MrPingu | Thanks for the suggestions :) Angry birds seems a good time killer for me! |
| 21:51.59 | MrPingu | I don't play a lot on N900 but I like games that are mobile; pick up and play and quit fast when needed. Not that you need to rush to a savepoint for example :P |
| 21:54.19 | DocScrutinizer | for that minesweeper and tetris are probably excellent |
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| 21:54.56 | DocScrutinizer | or the acme puzzlemaster |
| 21:57.32 | SpeedEvil | AB isn't available anymore though |
| 21:58.04 | DocScrutinizer | weird enough |
| 21:58.37 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder if you could get it back by flashing PR1.0 plus first vanilla |
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| 21:58.49 | MrPingu | Strange, maybe google still have it... |
| 21:59.02 | DocScrutinizer | then upload to rapidshare ;-D |
| 21:59.55 | DocScrutinizer | duh, what's on that "new" device? |
| 22:01.32 | MrPingu | I don't upload anything ;P |
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| 22:02.55 | DocScrutinizer | hmm nope, they flashed it with 21.2011.38-1 |
| 22:03.01 | DocScrutinizer | no AB |
| 22:04.11 | FIQ|n900 | acme puzzlemaster is what? |
| 22:04.32 | MrPingu | I found 5 debs of AB... Google is your friend :P |
| 22:05.38 | FIQ|n900 | also why did someone upload wine to repositories when it doesn't even work properly? :p |
| 22:06.00 | FIQ|n900 | first: ARM, second: yay text input in GUI! oh wait... |
| 22:06.11 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/puzzle-master/ |
| 22:06.30 | FIQ|n900 | I actually checked if the second part had changed since (by installing).. apparently not |
| 22:06.45 | FIQ|n900 | so it ships with a notepad desktop shortcut that is essentially useless |
| 22:06.49 | FIQ|n900 | *yay* |
| 22:07.43 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer: ok |
| 22:08.32 | FIQ|n900 | hm |
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| 22:08.44 | MrPingu | Well some dosgames do work very well on dosbox on n900 eg supaplex and prince of persia |
| 22:08.49 | FIQ|n900 | what's a recommended GUI editor for maemo? |
| 22:09.00 | merlin1991 | khteditor works quite well |
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| 22:09.52 | FIQ|n900 | Notes (or whatever "Anteckningar" is in english) doesn't really work that good, PyGTKEditor is perfect for both programming and normal text if it weren't for a really annoying save related bug, so yeah |
| 22:09.57 | FIQ|n900 | hmm, will look into that |
| 22:10.32 | FIQ|n900 | also, html format... really? |
| 22:10.41 | FIQ|n900 | (@ notes/notepad/whatever) |
| 22:10.52 | MrPingu | I only use leafpad and nano :P |
| 22:10.59 | DocScrutinizer | notes is braindead |
| 22:11.03 | FIQ|n900 | ....... |
| 22:11.18 | DocScrutinizer | mcedit here ;-D |
| 22:11.48 | FIQ|n900 | I know that I'm tired when I write "apt-cache search merlin199(HL)1" in xterm |
| 22:11.55 | DocScrutinizer | if you change the background from unbearable blue to something sane, it's quite nice |
| 22:12.13 | FIQ|n900 | instead of the actual name of editor |
| 22:12.46 | merlin1991 | FIQ|n900: khteditor is from the same guy as the pygtkeditor, only that the package is about 1 year younger and in general better :D |
| 22:13.11 | FIQ|n900 | ooh |
| 22:13.11 | DocScrutinizer | I bet it's from khertan |
| 22:13.13 | FIQ|n900 | great |
| 22:14.00 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: hm it's kht ... |
| 22:14.06 | merlin1991 | no not going to be from khertan xD |
| 22:14.13 | FIQ|n900 | KHerTan |
| 22:14.44 | FIQ|n900 | mcedit |
| 22:14.49 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen khertan |
| 22:14.57 | infobot | khertan is currently on #harmattan. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 13h 22m 31s, last said: 'Morning'. |
| 22:15.04 | DocScrutinizer | hah |
| 22:15.07 | FIQ|n900 | I associate that with worldedit/whatever in minecraft |
| 22:15.18 | merlin1991 | I really liked his twitter client, if it only weren't so slow on startup (thanks to pyside) |
| 22:15.21 | DocScrutinizer | what? mcedit? |
| 22:15.29 | DocScrutinizer | it's mudnight commander |
| 22:15.33 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 22:15.34 | FIQ|n900 | yes, i know |
| 22:15.35 | DocScrutinizer | mid* |
| 22:15.43 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: yep. there is a minecraft tool called mcedit |
| 22:15.58 | FIQ|n900 | but in my head it becomes MCEdit |
| 22:16.16 | merlin1991 | and the best thing about it, is that it actually renders faster than the real minecraft client (lol) |
| 22:16.39 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 22:16.41 | DocScrutinizer | afk |
| 22:16.47 | FIQ|n900 | lol, it does? |
| 22:16.55 | merlin1991 | yep it does |
| 22:17.03 | FIQ|n900 | perhaps not coded in java? :p |
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| 22:19.01 | FIQ|n900 | this thing looks almost exactly like PyGTKEditor by first impressions |
| 22:21.58 | FIQ|n900 | I approve |
| 22:22.03 | FIQ|n900 | thanks, merlin1991 |
| 22:22.59 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: would you suggest I make that yellow "!" vanish now on my daily phone? ;-D |
| 22:23.21 | merlin1991 | yeah |
| 22:23.26 | merlin1991 | go ahead :D |
| 22:23.31 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 22:24.00 | DocScrutinizer | so "T" is "S"? \o/ |
| 22:24.43 | FIQ|n900 | that thing gave me a nice bill one time |
| 22:24.58 | DocScrutinizer | the "!"? |
| 22:25.00 | FIQ|n900 | "ok, now let's check for updates when in another country!" |
| 22:25.15 | DocScrutinizer | he, yeah. nasty |
| 22:25.29 | FIQ|n900 | I forgot to turn it off... |
| 22:25.50 | FIQ|n900 | I did it almost immediatly when back home so it would never happen again |
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| 22:26.07 | FIQ|n900 | or.. "turn it off" |
| 22:26.16 | FIQ|n900 | aka set it to run once a year or something |
| 22:26.22 | DocScrutinizer | here every now and then somebody buys a smartphone without proper new data plan. Results in bills like 12,000EUR |
| 22:26.34 | FIQ|n900 | sounds fun |
| 22:26.51 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 22:26.54 | MrPingu | Yeah if money isn't a problem to you :P |
| 22:27.51 | MrPingu | Near a reflash... installed every "might be interesting" game :p Well that's not the reason of the reflahs |
| 22:28.23 | FIQ|n900 | I did that once, for every single category of apps |
| 22:28.50 | MrPingu | I was smart enough to mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 on a fremantle PR1.3 chroot |
| 22:29.33 | FIQ|n900 | bad idea (@myself) |
| 22:29.35 | MrPingu | so I did apt-get install on chroot, and then check later oh dang, it's the real /home/opt mounted in chroot... |
| 22:30.14 | FIQ|n900 | shouldn't it whine then? |
| 22:30.18 | FIQ|n900 | apt-get, that is |
| 22:30.48 | FIQ|n900 | "hey, you're filling up /home/opt and do dangerous things! please type "Yes, do as I say!" |
| 22:30.52 | FIQ|n900 | " |
| 22:31.14 | MrPingu | No it just installed as you chroot as root |
| 22:31.37 | MrPingu | so it just installed when I said to do so... |
| 22:31.49 | FIQ|n900 | heh |
| 22:32.19 | MrPingu | so my sdk intented chroot has al it's apps installed to the "real" home/opt |
| 22:32.41 | FIQ|n900 | yay |
| 22:32.53 | FIQ|n900 | "sdk inteded" er |
| 22:33.14 | MrPingu | intended :P |
| 22:33.18 | FIQ|n900 | ..did you install maemo SDK or what? |
| 22:33.24 | FIQ|n900 | er |
| 22:33.24 | FIQ|n900 | yeah |
| 22:33.24 | FIQ|n900 | intended |
| 22:33.38 | MrPingu | No just enable sdk repo and pull off build-essential |
| 22:33.50 | MrPingu | + a bunch of others |
| 22:33.58 | FIQ|n900 | hm |
| 22:34.16 | FIQ|n900 | doesn't it collide with current packages? |
| 22:34.26 | FIQ|n900 | versions and such |
| 22:34.35 | MrPingu | but I wouldn'tdare to do that on the "real" maemo as I use it as primary phone :P |
| 22:35.11 | MrPingu | I didn't noticed anything special with versions |
| 22:35.35 | FIQ|n900 | ok |
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| 22:36.13 | FIQ|n900 | hm |
| 22:36.38 | MrPingu | Well you can also use the sdk rootstrap to make an on-device chrootimage |
| 22:38.22 | MrPingu | Probably a bit better than a PR1.3 ripped from the flashimage if you are about to use it as SDK |
| 22:38.49 | FIQ|n900 | geg |
| 22:38.51 | FIQ|n900 | *heh |
| 22:39.48 | FIQ|n900 | I installed archlinux to my memcard some months ago, including pulling developer things (GCC, make, etc), which ended up fully functional and usable.. I should've put energy into a working environment for doing things to maemo instead |
| 22:40.13 | FIQ|n900 | the only drawback was that something that took 30s to compile on computer took 3min on the device :P |
| 22:40.40 | MrPingu | N900 compiles very slow... |
| 22:41.12 | FIQ|n900 | at least it produced things exactly like the desktop did, which surprised me for some reason |
| 22:41.20 | MrPingu | Kismet 2011 took me more than 2 hours and then discovering it had lots of errors |
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| 22:41.44 | FIQ|n900 | compiled misc test things and everything just worked |
| 22:42.00 | FIQ|n900 | not really the experience I had with maemo Sdk on computer |
| 22:42.05 | FIQ|n900 | *SDK |
| 22:42.17 | MrPingu | I couldn't compile aircrack-ng nighlty build because make was a version to low... |
| 22:42.28 | FIQ|n900 | yaay |
| 22:43.16 | MrPingu | I compiled mdk3-v6 succesfully on my device |
| 22:43.53 | FIQ|n900 | It would probably do it faster if I didn't have a class 2 SD card though (NITDroid took 5min just to boot up) |
| 22:43.56 | FIQ|n900 | hm, nice |
| 22:43.59 | MrPingu | Oh dang it's almost 1 am, I should be sleeping :o have to get up at 6 am =/ |
| 22:44.14 | FIQ|n900 | what time over there? |
| 22:44.23 | MrPingu | So, ciao |
| 22:44.26 | FIQ|n900 | bye |
| 22:44.39 | FIQ|n900 | er, nvm |
| 22:44.43 | FIQ|n900 | "almost 1am" |
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