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15:01.13peterbjornxhello
15:01.48peterbjornxi got it working, maemo on sd
15:01.58DocScrutinizer:-D
15:02.25peterbjornxno performance costs either
15:02.36DocScrutinizerwhy should there be any?
15:02.53peterbjornxim using some cheap sd
15:02.58DocScrutinizerhmm
15:03.23DocScrutinizerloading program text is a rare event
15:03.34peterbjornx2gb rootfs :)
15:03.42DocScrutinizerswapping is way more of a bottleneck
15:03.56narcosSo, I'd like to install lighthttpd to my N900. I see it listed here: http://maemo.org/packages/view/lighttpd/ . I suspect I need to add a repo to the phone ?
15:04.06narcosas if I search via apt-get I don't see it
15:04.37DocScrutinizerwell, doesn't it mention which repo it's in?
15:05.02peterbjornxonly problem is that maemo kernel has a bug that breaks built in mmc driver when cpufreq is also built in
15:05.30DocScrutinizernarcos: Fremantle Extras-testing free armel  lighttpd 1.4.26-2
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15:07.08narcosDocScrutinizer: So, of the options listed how do we choose that one? Shall I add a repository on the phone somewhere, or just wget the .deb file to the phone?
15:07.22DocScrutinizernarcos: so you either add testing (or devel) repo to your catalogs, or you download the dpkg and install locally
15:07.43scriptoehm, schon wieder 17 uhr
15:07.52DocScrutinizeroehm, indeed
15:07.53scriptsry .. E_WRONGCHAN ...
15:08.09narcosDocScrutinizer: OK thanks
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15:12.15jpinxpeterbjornx: congratulations :)
15:12.52narcosDocScrutinizer: What's the web address for the Fremantle Extras-testing to add on the phone? http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/diablo_extras-devel_free_i386/ ?
15:13.12narcosThat page seems more human readable than machine
15:13.19DocScrutinizeryu're probably using fremantle, not diablo
15:13.44narcosI'm not sure what you mean
15:13.58DocScrutinizeralso you definitely want armel, not i386
15:14.14narcosSo, I understand that software is distributed via repositories, and that if I want to download it I need to add a repository. I'm not sure where to find what repos I should be adding.
15:14.27narcosI have an N900, and want to add a repo that will allow me to install lighthttpd
15:14.50narcosI've found the catalogue list on the phone, and the place to add a new catalogue
15:14.50DocScrutinizerhttp://repository.maemo.org/
15:15.18narcosGotcha
15:15.25narcosThat was the answer I was looking for :)
15:15.28narcosI think I understand now
15:16.16narcosNow, the difference between Freemantle and Diablo you mentioned? Are there different versions of lighthttpd on each, or something? Or are they just different repos offering different software?
15:16.17DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
15:16.33DocScrutinizerdiablo is OS for N8x0
15:16.40DocScrutinizeraka maemo4
15:16.49DocScrutinizerfremantle is maemo5
15:17.26freemangordonnarcos, you should have maemo extras installed by default, it is strange you don't have it enabled
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15:17.57DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#Extras-testing  http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#Extras-devel
15:18.12DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: he has extras
15:18.25freemangordonbut the package is in  -devel?
15:18.32DocScrutinizerhe's missing -testing / -devel
15:18.37DocScrutinizeryep
15:18.40freemangordonaah, ok
15:19.07narcosSo, in the list under catelogues on the phone I see 'Maemo Extras,' Maemo Extras-Devel', 'Maemo Extras-Testing', two nokias and an Ovi
15:19.41narcosDocScrutinizer: OK - gotcha on the fremantle is code word for maemo 5
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15:21.26DocScrutinizernarcos: if you got the *right* (NOT diablo) extras-devel repo enabled in Hildon App Manager, you should be able to install lighttpd
15:22.21DocScrutinizerI suggest using HAM for managing catalogs
15:23.18DocScrutinizerHAM isn't the fastest app manager, but the most 'compatible' one
15:23.40DocScrutinizermessing with apt-get directly is a bit demanding on times
15:24.12DocScrutinizerand NEVER do upgrade or dist-upgrade
15:28.59tadzik+1 :)
15:32.24DocScrutinizer>>Thus, extras-devel is not something you should use unless you know what you're doing, and have no other option. However, if you absolutely must install something from it, then add the repo, install the app, and disable/remove the repo immediately.
15:32.46DocScrutinizerhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=431432#post431432
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15:35.32StyXmanI remember a friend who complained about Debian experimental because he dist-upgraded to it from stable...
15:40.44DocScrutinizerHAHA
15:41.26DocScrutinizeranyway on maemo even (dist-(upgrade on default repo is Bad
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15:58.20narcosDocScrutinizer: Sorry had a phone call - thanks for those pro-tips, dually noted :)
15:58.58narcosGotta head home, catch y'all later. Thanks for the help!
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16:05.08peterbjornx1gb rootfs free :d
16:05.51peterbjornxso any idea why mmc + cpufreq builtin crashes in set freq ?
16:06.01peterbjornxbefore init even runs
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16:16.39DocScrutinizeralas not, sorry
16:17.40DocScrutinizercan't you get a dump of the kernel PANIC?
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20:05.38RST38hhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/16/moodys_downgrade_nokia_junk/
20:05.42RST38hCheers!
20:06.24Sicelodid you see Nokia's 'response'?
20:06.25Sicelo:P
20:06.40RST38hURL?
20:07.18Sicelohttp://press.nokia.com/2012/04/16/nokia-comments-on-moodys-credit-rating-announcement/
20:08.03RST38hisn't getting it
20:09.58Siceloheh.. i can't say more. /me never understands business talk
20:11.05RST38hI usually understand business/legal talk
20:11.34RST38hBut not this particular release. Almost feels like their PR people finally went bonkers from unending butthurt
20:12.35Sicelo:D
20:14.04SpeedEvilRST38h: I note that the legal crap at the end is about 20 times the actual content
20:14.16RST38hThat too, but it is normal
20:14.31SpeedEvilActually - make that 100 times.
20:14.45RST38hIt is the first paragraph that makes me wonder about certain people sanity
20:14.47SpeedEvilAs it's basically 'we're sitting on this large pile of cash, sacking people'
20:15.19RST38h"And Moody's thinks it is good, that is why they lowered us to Baa3 with negative outlook"?
20:15.58RST38h"And we love baaa because it reminds us of sheep!"
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20:56.41villagerI figure that they mean that the new rating, even downgraded, is still "investment grade", which probably means "worth investing in", which is good?
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