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| 08:02.34 | udovdh | hmm |
| 08:02.48 | udovdh | after I flashed my n810 with nokia image |
| 08:03.18 | udovdh | what howto can I follow to get ethernet via usb working asap? (sd card swapping is not so nice) |
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| 09:10.29 | udovdh | ok usb networking is up |
| 09:10.39 | udovdh | now how to convince n810 to use it? |
| 09:10.50 | udovdh | connection manager does not see dummy IAP |
| 09:14.12 | psycho_oreos | not that I own N810, but you might be missing a package that you'll need to install.. something to do with icd? and specifically either null or dummy? |
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| 09:36.56 | udovdh | well, I did `gconftool -s -t string /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/DUMMY/type DUMMY ` |
| 09:37.03 | udovdh | but no dummy accesspoint |
| 09:37.16 | udovdh | on the terminal command prompt networking works well |
| 09:37.33 | udovdh | but I guess I need some .install files for the nice repositories |
| 09:37.44 | udovdh | then I could get ssh |
| 09:37.49 | udovdh | and stuff would be easier... |
| 09:39.12 | psycho_oreos | with N900 I had to install iap/icd null/dummy before I ran that similar sort of string. I'm guessing you'd need to do that as well before iap/icd can take advantage of that |
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| 09:40.43 | psycho_oreos | In my case with N900 ssh was available through the usual maemo.org extras repository. I'm not too familiar with diablo's case but I'm sure you can find an equivalent in one of the maemo.org's diablo part of repositories. In fact google can also be quite helpful here so long as you know exactly what sort of strings to pass through to search |
| 09:42.02 | psycho_oreos | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/openssh/ <-- here you go, for diablo but also available for other products |
| 09:42.33 | DocScrutinizer | well, for all I recall I installed ssh via application manager straight on N810 |
| 09:42.54 | DocScrutinizer | with not many special repos set |
| 09:43.13 | udovdh | yes, but the connection manager is in the way |
| 09:43.25 | udovdh | and apt-get install doesn't know about openssh |
| 09:43.45 | DocScrutinizer | aaah I see. Yeah WLAN made my life a bit more easy for N810 |
| 09:43.51 | psycho_oreos | its not called openssh, its most likely called openssh-{server,client} |
| 09:44.03 | udovdh | ok.. we'll try those... |
| 09:44.13 | psycho_oreos | apt-get search openssh |
| 09:44.59 | psycho_oreos | not all packages would be named exactly as you'd expect them to be, for every other case that this isn't the case, there's always `apt-cache search' command for debian related linuxes |
| 09:45.13 | DocScrutinizer | regrading networks etc, I think I got me network-conectivity-manager app iirc |
| 09:45.23 | DocScrutinizer | nice app |
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| 09:46.15 | udovdh | psycho_oreos, invalid operation search |
| 09:46.31 | udovdh | and apt-cache search did not find openssh |
| 09:46.43 | udovdh | repo's on the n810 are nokia-only repo's |
| 09:46.51 | udovdh | (flashed it yesterday) |
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| 09:54.08 | DocScrutinizer | udovdh: apt-cache search kajdhdajhdajk |
| 09:54.13 | DocScrutinizer | not apt-get |
| 09:54.24 | udovdh | I tried apt-cache |
| 09:54.28 | DocScrutinizer | aah yes |
| 09:54.37 | udovdh | so it is a repo issue I guess |
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| 09:54.49 | DocScrutinizer | try apt-cache search ssh |
| 09:55.02 | DocScrutinizer | try apt-cache search '.*ssh.*' |
| 09:55.33 | DocScrutinizer | wait a monment, I have to find out my n810 IP |
| 09:55.39 | DocScrutinizer | to log in ;-) |
| 09:56.07 | udovdh | 192.168.2.15 |
| 09:59.28 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 09:59.48 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null -l root 192.168.1.43 |
| 09:59.50 | DocScrutinizer | Warning: Permanently added '192.168.1.43' (RSA) to the list of known hosts. |
| 09:59.51 | DocScrutinizer | root@192.168.1.43's password: |
| 09:59.57 | DocScrutinizer | WLAN |
| 10:00.46 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N810-23-14:~# apt-cache policy openssh |
| 10:00.47 | DocScrutinizer | openssh: |
| 10:00.49 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.50 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.52 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.53 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.55 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.32 | udovdh | yes, what I thought |
| 10:02.35 | udovdh | not a nokia repo |
| 10:02.48 | DocScrutinizer | of course not. maemo repo |
| 10:02.54 | udovdh | can I install a .install file from the command line? |
| 10:02.57 | DocScrutinizer | aka extras |
| 10:03.16 | DocScrutinizer | err basically yes |
| 10:03.42 | DocScrutinizer | though it's not exactly qualifying as "install an installfile" |
| 10:04.17 | udovdh | just a list of repo's as in rpm stuff I am used to |
| 10:04.33 | DocScrutinizer | sth along line of ``echo " http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free foo bar" >/etc/apt-somefile-Iforgot'' |
| 10:05.02 | DocScrutinizer | the dpkg savvy here will know better |
| 10:05.17 | DocScrutinizer | ooops |
| 10:05.23 | DocScrutinizer | sth along line of ``echo " http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free foo bar" >>/etc/apt-somefile-Iforgot'' |
| 10:05.26 | DocScrutinizer | >> !!! |
| 10:05.49 | udovdh | ok, working on that |
| 10:07.52 | psycho_oreos | ahh crap my bad, I later corrected my own stance but did not specifically hint that |
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| 10:08.37 | DocScrutinizer | etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list: |
| 10:08.58 | DocScrutinizer | deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ diablo user |
| 10:08.59 | DocScrutinizer | deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/ diablo user |
| 10:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo-2/ ./ |
| 10:09.02 | DocScrutinizer | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-free |
| 10:09.17 | DocScrutinizer | NB this most likely is NOT up-to-date |
| 10:11.44 | DocScrutinizer | also note please that all this won't help you much without any (probably WLAN) connectivity |
| 10:12.14 | DocScrutinizer | udovdh: ^^^ |
| 10:13.39 | DocScrutinizer | so your line is: echo "deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-free" >>/etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 10:14.47 | udovdh | thanks! |
| 10:14.50 | DocScrutinizer | YW |
| 10:14.57 | udovdh | must start to work now |
| 10:15.00 | udovdh | thanks! again |
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| 10:17.34 | Macer | hm. rasberry pi started shipping today? |
| 10:17.48 | Macer | i will wait and see how it turns out.. i still have nightmares about the touchbook |
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| 10:18.16 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 10:18.45 | Macer | it looks interesting tho... but a 700MHz broadcom still seems underpowered |
| 10:19.04 | udovdh | hmm dependency hell.. |
| 10:22.36 | Macer | wow |
| 10:22.40 | Macer | high def kickboxer |
| 10:23.42 | DocScrutinizer | wut? |
| 10:25.20 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders if udovdh has actually updated to "recent" diablo |
| 10:26.25 | DocScrutinizer | SSU been invented/introduced with latest diablo iirc |
| 10:28.05 | udovdh | DocScrutinizer, how to tell? |
| 10:28.27 | udovdh | I flashed RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 10:28.37 | udovdh | is that 'recent'? |
| 10:29.36 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 10:29.40 | DocScrutinizer | wait a minute |
| 10:30.07 | DocScrutinizer | (since I friggin dunno how to invoke software-version on diablo cmdline) |
| 10:30.14 | udovdh | same here |
| 10:30.27 | udovdh | could dmesg help? |
| 10:31.38 | udovdh | gotta leave soon to the OHm2013 pre-party |
| 10:31.57 | DocScrutinizer | about product: 5.2008-43.7 |
| 10:32.07 | DocScrutinizer | so seems OK |
| 10:32.11 | udovdh | 43.7 is in my flash filename |
| 10:32.32 | udovdh | apt-get gives me conflicts etc. i'll try to resolve them tomorrow |
| 10:32.40 | udovdh | thanks so far |
| 10:32.43 | udovdh | later! |
| 10:32.46 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 10:34.13 | DocScrutinizer | pets N810, blows off the dust |
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| 10:35.03 | DocScrutinizer | pets basically unused spare N810 too |
| 10:35.26 | Macer | haha |
| 10:35.30 | Macer | mine has a layer of dust on it as well |
| 10:35.34 | Macer | i don't know what to do with it |
| 10:36.01 | DocScrutinizer | well, mine at least reliably yells whenever a SIP call comes in ;-D |
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| 10:36.40 | Macer | heh |
| 10:36.56 | DocScrutinizer | If ever I move to a castle, I'll use the spare one for another SIP device on 2nd floor |
| 10:37.37 | Macer | do they still have castles nowadays? |
| 10:37.39 | DocScrutinizer | for now there are like 5 ringing devices in 2 adjacent rooms without any door between |
| 10:38.25 | Macer | i'm sure if you were rich enough you can have one built |
| 10:38.30 | Macer | but masonary work is just not what it used to be |
| 10:38.31 | DocScrutinizer | just enough to keep the spare N810 well off the dust |
| 10:39.10 | DocScrutinizer | here you can buy a castle every day for ONE € |
| 10:39.38 | DocScrutinizer | just you need millions to fulfil the mandatory refurbishing and whatnot |
| 10:39.48 | Macer | wow really? |
| 10:39.56 | Macer | nice |
| 10:41.51 | DocScrutinizer | castle:1€. New roof:300k€. New windows: 500k€. ANY reasonable heating, water, electricity: 1.2M€... like that |
| 10:42.35 | SpeedEvil | And then 40K/year for heating. |
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| 10:42.57 | DocScrutinizer | then you're obliged to hire personal to open up the doors for visitors every weekend |
| 10:43.07 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: of course, that too |
| 10:43.24 | Macer | you do? |
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| 10:43.34 | Macer | you have to open up the doors every weekend for visitors?? |
| 10:43.40 | DocScrutinizer | depends |
| 10:43.41 | Macer | wth? :) |
| 10:43.51 | DocScrutinizer | usually yes |
| 10:44.04 | Macer | wow. that's weird |
| 10:44.24 | DocScrutinizer | depending on how relevant a historical building the whole wreck is |
| 10:44.54 | SpeedEvil | Not to mention that what you can do with the building will be _sharply_ limited. |
| 10:45.02 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 10:45.09 | SpeedEvil | You can't generally change the external shell at all. |
| 10:45.28 | DocScrutinizer | nor the historically relevant interior |
| 10:45.45 | SpeedEvil | And it has to be repaired using contemporary materials. |
| 10:46.28 | DocScrutinizer | well, you may use plastic or aluminium windows, as long as they *look* absolutely original |
| 10:46.48 | SpeedEvil | In the UK it can get a bit beyond that. |
| 10:47.11 | Macer | haha |
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| 10:47.25 | Macer | like you have to go find the tempered glass making monks out in the woods? |
| 10:47.38 | Macer | and carry it back on horseback section by section :) |
| 10:47.39 | DocScrutinizer | UK castles are *very* special ;-D |
| 10:47.50 | DocScrutinizer | you probably even have to feed the ghost |
| 10:48.06 | Macer | lol |
| 10:48.21 | Macer | honestly to a rich person it sounds rather cheap still |
| 10:48.25 | Macer | minus the heating of course |
| 10:48.49 | Macer | but i am sure you can probably section it off and heat it in a different manner than normal |
| 10:48.59 | DocScrutinizer | it sounds cheap for a castle, it's friggin useless for all the money in the end anyway |
| 10:49.33 | Macer | yeah but i mean the retrofitting and the upkeep still seems cheap compared to paying millions on some fabricated brick mansion |
| 10:49.50 | Macer | plus if it is still around today it will obviosly last rather long ;) |
| 10:50.49 | DocScrutinizer | the most cheap path is: buy it, fix rotten crap, do *nothing* else with it (not living there, not heating, nuttin) |
| 10:51.51 | DocScrutinizer | then you're just doing what previously been done (or not) by state/district and been too expensive for them so they decided to sell for 1€ |
| 10:52.43 | Macer | i'd actually restore it tbh |
| 10:52.49 | Macer | if i had money like that ;) |
| 10:53.14 | Macer | how much of the land are you entitled to purchasing it? |
| 10:53.19 | Macer | just the castle? |
| 10:53.29 | DocScrutinizer | oooh, don't forget to get a 99year deal regarding real estate tax etc |
| 10:53.44 | Macer | you have to pay 99 years of real estate tax? LOL |
| 10:53.55 | DocScrutinizer | you should make sure you don't |
| 10:54.30 | DocScrutinizer | as the friggin castle is expensive enough |
| 10:55.46 | DocScrutinizer | and it's a bit insane to pay real estate tax to the district when you take away a burden from them. They'd earn double money on your kind help |
| 10:55.58 | Macer | the castle is 1 dollar heh |
| 10:56.16 | Macer | plus you don't have to pay real estate tax for 99 years ;) |
| 10:56.22 | DocScrutinizer | no, for the district it's like a -500k€ less per year |
| 10:56.22 | Macer | at inflated pricing you'd probably save |
| 10:57.06 | Macer | still sounds awesome if you have the money for it :) |
| 10:57.10 | Macer | especially if you restore it |
| 10:57.27 | Macer | and modernize what you can |
| 10:57.34 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. district saves 500k expense per year, so why should they as well get real estate tax from you for doing them the favour? |
| 10:58.11 | Macer | beause back in the day if you wanted the castle you'd have to spend just as much for your own army |
| 10:59.05 | DocScrutinizer | but those dukes etc could do whatever they like with their castle. You can't basically do *anything* with it |
| 10:59.20 | DocScrutinizer | you're lucky if you find a way you can love there |
| 10:59.28 | DocScrutinizer | live* ;-D |
| 10:59.31 | Macer | haha |
| 10:59.36 | Macer | no sex in the castle! |
| 10:59.58 | Macer | lest ye taint it with thy sperm |
| 11:00.23 | Macer | i'm sure you can find loopholes etc |
| 11:00.29 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 11:00.32 | Macer | and eventually lobby to make changes heh |
| 11:00.39 | DocScrutinizer | neither |
| 11:00.56 | Macer | they're that serious about something that is basically a pile of rocks and money pit to them? :) |
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| 11:01.20 | Macer | so you're pretty much giving them their own museum that you restore and pay massive taxes on ? |
| 11:01.33 | Macer | that's lame |
| 11:01.49 | DocScrutinizer | if you got bad luck, THEY will find 'loopholes' to request you change the whole roof to another type of stones, or whatever |
| 11:03.18 | DocScrutinizer | suddenly decide you have to open up for visitors 5 days a week 10h, rather than the weekends 5h you initially agreed upon. etc |
| 11:03.32 | DocScrutinizer | 7 days even |
| 11:04.05 | DocScrutinizer | no real fun |
| 11:04.22 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise there wouldn't be any 1€-castles available anymore |
| 11:05.18 | DocScrutinizer | your last statement sounds like it's exactly to the point |
| 11:06.56 | Macer | http://www.chateauforsale.org/chateaux_in_chalus/propertyref_HH-5063842.php |
| 11:07.10 | Macer | france has them too.. but they sell them for more than 1euro |
| 11:07.24 | Macer | i mean cmon.. it has its own dungeon! |
| 11:07.29 | Macer | :-D |
| 11:07.38 | Macer | you can film some awesome porn there |
| 11:08.00 | Macer | i guess if you are that rich then you would have a great team of lawyers to prevent that during the sale |
| 11:08.09 | DocScrutinizer | >>This domain that marries authenticity with modern comforts and represents a unique opportunity to acquire a rare property for either private use or for commercial tourism purposes....<< |
| 11:08.18 | Macer | heh |
| 11:08.23 | Macer | it says "private use" ;) |
| 11:08.52 | Macer | i'd hire archers for the guard tower to kill trespassers |
| 11:09.33 | Macer | but it does seem like it would be easier and cheaper just to build your own castle if you can find the masonaries to do it |
| 11:09.45 | Macer | i doubt you can even find enough nowadays to make an entire castle |
| 11:10.11 | Macer | masonary work is a thing of the past because of china :( with their fabricated mass produced brick that lasts 5 years like everything else out of asia |
| 11:10.32 | DocScrutinizer | >> the castle has been restored and furnished in the spirit of the time with all the modern comforts, all windows have double glazed, all the woodwork, wall lamps, doors, door frames and stained glass are hand made. The castle is equipped with underfloor heating on ground level and radiators on the upper levels<< |
| 11:10.55 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like the same expense done for you already |
| 11:11.13 | Macer | yeah |
| 11:11.15 | DocScrutinizer | you'd have to do all that on your own if you buy a 1€-castle |
| 11:11.27 | Macer | which is why it costs 20Meuro |
| 11:11.28 | Macer | heh |
| 11:11.33 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 11:11.45 | Macer | i'd buy it if i were that rich |
| 11:11.51 | Macer | but the french are snobs when you are not french |
| 11:11.53 | Macer | :) |
| 11:12.02 | Macer | they'd probably kick me out after buying it |
| 11:12.10 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 11:12.11 | Macer | then say i can only live in it 1 week out the year on a visa |
| 11:12.24 | DocScrutinizer | quite possibly ;-P |
| 11:12.42 | Macer | and that their town leader will live there the rest of the year |
| 11:12.43 | Macer | lol |
| 11:13.01 | Macer | the french preach a good game of world peace but are total assholes in real life |
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| 11:34.41 | lolcat | I've had a Maemo chroot running on a Galaxy S2 (any Droid device will work) but I could not get it to be fully functional. |
| 11:34.48 | lolcat | Howto? |
| 11:37.41 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: ? |
| 11:37.51 | DocScrutinizer | ?? |
| 11:37.53 | DocScrutinizer | NFC |
| 11:37.59 | psycho_oreos | 1) you're not being specific enough, 2) you do realise there is a huge difference between the two devices, and that you cannot expect everything to work in a chroot environment? |
| 11:38.19 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: thanks |
| 11:38.47 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, o.O that was for lolcat :) |
| 11:38.51 | lolcat | He said HAM didn't work, but HAM is crap anyways |
| 11:39.18 | psycho_oreos | there are alternatives like FAM or you can simply use apt-get for that matter |
| 11:39.21 | lolcat | Is it possible to install Maemo UI on top of ebian? |
| 11:39.29 | lolcat | debian* |
| 11:39.36 | psycho_oreos | no |
| 11:40.27 | psycho_oreos | not without pulling out enough hairs before even completing half way.. the design of debian and therefore maemo is heavily integrated that you won't be able to install the UI separately without loads of painstaking work in fulfilling the dependencies |
| 11:40.29 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: sure, and thanks for that |
| 11:40.35 | lolcat | Because Ubuntu and Unity will run in a chroot |
| 11:40.42 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, ah |
| 11:41.42 | psycho_oreos | lolcat, you're misunderstanding the whole concept.. ubuntu will work is because its open source and I'm guessing someone has already compiled the work on their devices before releasing it. Maemo's UI is _not_ open source.. not completely anyway |
| 11:43.45 | psycho_oreos | and really before thinking you can also get very nice maemo UI working on your galaxy S2, don't forget that you won't have HW acceleration working in a way that you'd expect it to work with a proper maemo device |
| 11:43.55 | lolcat | Ubuntu is basicly debian. Maemo is basicly debian. |
| 11:44.03 | lolcat | I have a Galaxy Note |
| 11:44.13 | psycho_oreos | ubuntu is open source, maemo is _not_ open source |
| 11:45.04 | psycho_oreos | getting maemo to work could almost be like getting windows/mac to work on devices that it was not meant to be working on |
| 11:45.49 | lolcat | Mac now works on quite a wide variety of hardware |
| 11:46.05 | lolcat | Especially since they started using Intel instead of powerpc |
| 11:46.17 | lolcat | I ran Windows 95 on my N900 |
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| 11:46.45 | lolcat | And that isn't even the rigth arcitechture |
| 11:46.56 | psycho_oreos | that's really besides the point, and you could argue that apple would love to sue the living hell out of you should you commercialise/promote their OS on devices which they did not specifically release support on |
| 11:47.31 | psycho_oreos | before you ramble about how you can run windows on N900, have you thought about the exact same usecase as when you're now on galaxy devices? |
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| 11:47.48 | lolcat | Software licenses are invalid in Norway, if I legally purchase the software I can do with it as I please. |
| 11:48.04 | lolcat | I just love Maemo |
| 11:48.19 | SpeedEvil | idly wonders what that means if I purchase software remotely in norway, and have it installed on a machine in norway |
| 11:48.25 | psycho_oreos | since when is there mac support on samsung galaxy device? since when did microsoft has support on samsung galaxy device? since when did nokia actually produce anything related to maemo on top of other devices? |
| 11:48.51 | lolcat | psycho_oreos: I don't need support for it to run |
| 11:49.02 | lolcat | I could install Mac osx on the N900 |
| 11:49.15 | psycho_oreos | its not about licensing, I'm sure apple would love the sue the living hell out of you for even trying to sell services that includes installation on devices they do not specifically support |
| 11:49.43 | psycho_oreos | lolcat, you won't get support, so what you've stated is rather moot but again you're missing the point |
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| 11:50.09 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: could you install mac osx on galaxy? |
| 11:50.10 | lolcat | I don't want to sell anything |
| 11:50.28 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: No idea, I just got it. Haven't rooted it yet |
| 11:51.08 | DocScrutinizer | so unless you get mac osx running on galaxy, why the F* are you bitching about maemo not running on galaxy? |
| 11:51.10 | psycho_oreos | its not about you selling, the point I'm basically trying to make is that you're not going to be able to get maemo working on your galaxy. If you insist, by all means but don't come crying for support because nobody bothers to do it and its rather pointless |
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| 11:51.41 | lolcat | Saving Maemo isn't pointless |
| 11:52.05 | psycho_oreos | saving a mostly proprietary platform is rather pointless |
| 11:52.08 | lolcat | So there is no way to make the maemo gui appear on the Note? |
| 11:52.23 | psycho_oreos | unless you're a hacker that doesn't bitch and moan when hell freezes over |
| 11:53.51 | lolcat | downloads Maemo SDK |
| 11:54.53 | DocScrutinizer | wtf? |
| 11:54.58 | psycho_oreos | the people that chose to port maemo UI across some other platform used a slightly different base with more or less maemo's skin and they don't come here screaming for support. Instead they accumulate like-minded hackers who just RE stuff to make it work on their specific target rather than seeking for support on some random device |
| 11:56.04 | DocScrutinizer | a) maemo isn't mostly proprietary. b) you won't get it working on galaxy natively nevertheless, as some coreparts (dialer, some libs) nevertheless *are* c) what do you expect from something running in a *chroot*??? |
| 11:56.58 | lolcat | If it is a chroot I could make a dummy dialer and messenger system that just pulls stuff from the host |
| 11:57.03 | DocScrutinizer | running maemo in any chroot != saving mamemo |
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| 11:57.20 | DocScrutinizer | maemo even |
| 11:58.09 | psycho_oreos | I still personally contend to that point a, most of the hardware related functionality, though not all are. |
| 12:00.35 | LaoLang_cool | How to install diff? apt-get install diff notes selecting busybox instead of diff then says busybox is already the newest version |
| 12:01.45 | freemangordon | LaoLang_cool, what happens when you type diff? |
| 12:02.40 | LaoLang_cool | freemangordon: -sh: diff: not found |
| 12:03.04 | freemangordon | wtf? is that on device or ib sb, or where? |
| 12:03.12 | freemangordon | s/ib/in/ |
| 12:03.35 | LaoLang_cool | freemangordon: ? |
| 12:03.35 | Macer | want the temp to go up a little bit so i can go running |
| 12:04.05 | freemangordon | LaoLang_cool, where do you type it? is that on n900? |
| 12:04.15 | LaoLang_cool | freemangordon: I type it in xterm |
| 12:04.22 | LaoLang_cool | on n900 |
| 12:05.24 | freemangordon | LaoLang_cool, ok, lemme check |
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| 12:08.44 | DocScrutinizer | so I don't need to |
| 12:09.32 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# which diff |
| 12:09.34 | DocScrutinizer | /usr/bin/gnu/diff |
| 12:09.49 | DocScrutinizer | no diff in messybox |
| 12:09.54 | DocScrutinizer | aparently |
| 12:10.13 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# busybox diff |
| 12:10.15 | DocScrutinizer | diff: applet not found |
| 12:10.41 | freemangordon | yep |
| 12:10.49 | DocScrutinizer | so according to LaoLang_cool a) messybox pkg is fsckdup |
| 12:10.58 | DocScrutinizer | b) diff is in gnu |
| 12:11.03 | lolcat | http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/serendipity/index.php?/archives/28-Running-Mac-OS-X-on-a-Olympus-E-P2-digital-camera.html <- wish this wanst a aprils fool |
| 12:11.25 | MohammadAG | yay, the N9 can be overclocked |
| 12:11.37 | MohammadAG | I always wanted a polycarbonate deep fryer |
| 12:11.40 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, seems like busybox in Fremantle is compiled without diif :( |
| 12:12.01 | DocScrutinizer | obviously |
| 12:12.14 | freemangordon | LaoLang_cool ^^^ |
| 12:12.17 | DocScrutinizer | which doesn't give me any headache since I hate messybox anyway |
| 12:12.33 | LaoLang_cool | What should I do? install messybox? |
| 12:12.35 | DocScrutinizer | ~messybox |
| 12:12.36 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 12:13.03 | freemangordon | LOL |
| 12:13.08 | LaoLang_cool | ok... |
| 12:13.11 | DocScrutinizer | install gnu *utils (I guess coreutils or binutils) |
| 12:13.31 | DocScrutinizer | one of them may provide gnu diff |
| 12:13.46 | DocScrutinizer | some gnu pkd soes, anyway |
| 12:13.50 | DocScrutinizer | pkg |
| 12:13.54 | DocScrutinizer | does |
| 12:13.55 | DocScrutinizer | dang |
| 12:13.57 | MohammadAG | coreutils-gnu |
| 12:14.11 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: thanks |
| 12:14.43 | DocScrutinizer | never wrapped my head around how to find which dpkg yields what files/functions |
| 12:15.02 | LaoLang_cool | ok, I find http://maemo.org/packages/view/busybox-power/ is another choice :) |
| 12:15.10 | DocScrutinizer | EEEEEK |
| 12:16.22 | DocScrutinizer | I'm *very* averse to replacing busybox with some allegedly better version, and iirc rightly so, as some regression already been found eventually in messybox-power |
| 12:16.46 | DocScrutinizer | but that's your admin beer |
| 12:17.05 | DocScrutinizer | I'd go for gnu tools every day |
| 12:17.13 | DocScrutinizer | if messybox is the alternative |
| 12:17.26 | DocScrutinizer | no matter what flavour of this abomination |
| 12:17.41 | DocScrutinizer | see -messybox above |
| 12:18.16 | DocScrutinizer | even ~messybox |
| 12:18.18 | LaoLang_cool | ok.. maybe bash + gnu |
| 12:18.29 | DocScrutinizer | that's what I did |
| 12:18.43 | DocScrutinizer | I mean I got 2GB of /usr space |
| 12:18.59 | DocScrutinizer | my first linux system had some 50MB od HDD |
| 12:19.33 | DocScrutinizer | and still enough room to have a decent bash and core utils and man pages |
| 12:19.52 | DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools |
| 12:19.52 | infobot | [jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 12:20.42 | Macer | heh |
| 12:21.12 | Macer | my awesome 486sx/25 could handle things great |
| 12:21.42 | SpeedEvil | Sometimes I want to smack people that say 1GHz - or whatever - is slow. |
| 12:21.55 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 12:22.28 | SpeedEvil | I find it amusing that you can now get microcontrollers for $5 or so, that are about an order of magnitude faster than my first computer - 386/20 |
| 12:23.06 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, insane. be stingy on 2MB for bash, but then preload crap that eats 50MB for nuttin |
| 12:23.21 | DocScrutinizer | then complain stuff gets sluggish when swap hell starts |
| 12:23.28 | DocScrutinizer | ergo: overclock |
| 12:24.53 | DocScrutinizer | and ask for dual-core 1.6GHz SoC for your embedded device |
| 12:25.00 | DocScrutinizer | so you could preload mmore crap |
| 12:25.43 | DocScrutinizer | hell, the N900 is about as fast and as much RAM as my laptop as of 4 years ago |
| 12:26.21 | Macer | hahaha |
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| 12:27.09 | DocScrutinizer | and yes, openoffice took >1min to strat up on that toughbook laptop too - so what? |
| 12:29.08 | Macer | heh... openoffice was groundbreaking stuff when it first came out :) |
| 12:31.00 | Macer | it still holds its own today |
| 12:31.12 | Macer | especially after ms office made that disgusting shift to pastel colors and giant buttons |
| 12:31.15 | lolcat | ARM is crap compared to x86 |
| 12:31.25 | freemangordon | wow |
| 12:31.28 | lolcat | Like my N-7000 has 1.4 ghz dual core |
| 12:31.30 | Macer | they both were meant to serve different purposes |
| 12:31.40 | Macer | arm was supposed to be low latency low power |
| 12:31.55 | Macer | x86 was supposed to be a total power whore :) |
| 12:32.13 | DocScrutinizer | dual use: heater |
| 12:32.39 | lolcat | Phones should have x86 so you could warm your hands on them |
| 12:32.45 | DocScrutinizer | so, x86 is total crap compared to ARM |
| 12:32.49 | Macer | heh |
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| 12:33.44 | DocScrutinizer | honesly what a void nonsensical comparison |
| 12:34.15 | lolcat | x86 will preform better at the same clock speed |
| 12:34.25 | DocScrutinizer | WTF clock speed??? |
| 12:34.29 | Macer | heh |
| 12:34.44 | Macer | uhm.. doesn't x86 also have many more power sucking instructions? |
| 12:34.44 | DocScrutinizer | as if clock speed would mean *anything* |
| 12:34.49 | lolcat | ghz is a meassurement of the clock speed? |
| 12:34.56 | lolcat | s/?/! |
| 12:35.05 | freemangordon | so? |
| 12:35.41 | DocScrutinizer | and if I switch of the divider in the PLL, I can clock the CPU with twice the clockspeed |
| 12:35.44 | DocScrutinizer | BS |
| 12:36.05 | DocScrutinizer | clock speed is a totally bogus number |
| 12:36.14 | freemangordon | talking about x86, you can return back in time and remember athlon versus pentium. |
| 12:36.15 | lolcat | I know |
| 12:36.23 | DocScrutinizer | esp when comparing different architectures |
| 12:36.32 | lolcat | I think I have an Athlon laying about |
| 12:36.35 | lolcat | And a Duron |
| 12:36.52 | lolcat | For desktops I've actually come to prefer AMD |
| 12:36.54 | freemangordon | those are the same, just some marketing BS |
| 12:37.30 | lolcat | I am fairly sure my Atholn is twice as powerfull as my Duron |
| 12:37.33 | lolcat | Same socket though |
| 12:37.38 | lolcat | Socket A <3 |
| 12:37.40 | DocScrutinizer | for the idio^W noobs that don't get any more complex numbers than this "clockspeed" |
| 12:38.31 | lolcat | Decent benchmark scores are harder to come by |
| 12:38.44 | lolcat | And the benchmark will vary from chip to chip |
| 12:39.57 | lolcat | But still, the ARM in the N-7000 beats the N900 any day |
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| 13:32.13 | DocScrutinizer | bus error: see ARM basics |
| 13:33.00 | DocScrutinizer | trying to access some system on bus that's not ready to get accessed |
| 13:33.04 | DocScrutinizer | I'd guess |
| 13:33.39 | DocScrutinizer | e.g if you try to read from RAM that's in suspend state |
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| 13:52.58 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, probably that would rather cause a prefetch or data abort |
| 13:53.28 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so no clue what's your bus error |
| 13:54.42 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it's how linux represents prefetch-aborts and data-aborts in signal domain (kill -l: SIGBUS) |
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| 18:56.08 | merlin1991 | RST38h: wtf did you quote? |
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| 21:03.03 | juk | anyone seeing banners from gcc like /var/tmp/ccTtyaJb.s:41: rdhi, rdlo and rm must all be different |
| 21:08.57 | teotwaki | juk: sounds like the ARM assembler |
| 21:09.08 | teotwaki | building the kernel? |
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| 21:13.19 | juk | teotwaki: yes, thats on device gcc from sdk reps, no, not building, just running on file with main return 0 |
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| 22:08.17 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, a sentence |
| 22:29.45 | MohammadAG | err, what's mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/sociality-mtf-build-harmattan$ ~/QtSDK/Madde/bin/mad -t harmattan_10.2011.34-1_rt1.2 ldd sociality-mtf |
| 22:29.45 | MohammadAG | not a dynamic executable |
| 22:33.04 | DocScrutinizer | a sentence? seems like a random function going lyric |
| 22:33.40 | DocScrutinizer | probably some filler text used in SPAM to fool spamassassin |
| 22:39.29 | teotwaki | MohammadAG: boo |
| 22:40.10 | MohammadAG | teotwaki, oi |
| 22:40.12 | teotwaki | MohammadAG: that's an error you get when running a 32-bit binary on a 64-bit os |
| 22:40.36 | MohammadAG | but that's an ARM executable, running using an ARM qemu |
| 22:40.55 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe not |
| 22:41.47 | DocScrutinizer | file helps |
| 22:41.58 | teotwaki | MohammadAG: readelf ~/QtSDK/Madde/bin/mad |
| 22:42.05 | DocScrutinizer | or that |
| 22:43.46 | teotwaki | MohammadAG: basically, what the error says is that the dynamic linker you're using is unable to understand the binary |
| 22:44.02 | teotwaki | if you do a ldd $_ |
| 22:44.08 | teotwaki | you'll see the same message |
| 22:44.14 | DocScrutinizer | even readelf -h |
| 22:45.36 | DocScrutinizer | and the ldd might be whatever mad is using atm |
| 22:46.59 | MohammadAG | readelf: Error: Not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start |
| 22:47.03 | MohammadAG | anyway |
| 22:47.12 | MohammadAG | anyone familiar with qmake? |
| 22:47.57 | teotwaki | nope |
| 22:48.00 | teotwaki | autotools ftw |
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| 22:53.25 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: man ld-linux |
| 22:53.36 | DocScrutinizer | helps with some nice envs |
| 22:53.43 | DocScrutinizer | though not here probably |
| 22:55.52 | teotwaki | DocScrutinizer: you should probably change the "recent update" in the topic |
| 22:55.58 | teotwaki | cuz it's far from "recent". |
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| 22:57.02 | DocScrutinizer | thanks |
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| 23:09.31 | teotwaki | Bad_Dream: sure I am |
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| 23:09.48 | *** kick/#maemo [Bad_Dream!~slau@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie] by teotwaki (Bad_Dream) |
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| 23:09.59 | Bad_Dream | lolz |
| 23:10.02 | teotwaki | told ya :) |
| 23:10.17 | Bad_Dream | why for it doesnt show you as an op? |
| 23:10.30 | Bad_Dream | or just sent command straight to chanserv |
| 23:10.36 | teotwaki | cuz the policy of this channel is that we don't show ops by default |
| 23:10.42 | Bad_Dream | ah ok |
| 23:10.44 | teotwaki | no need to have people "higher" than others. |
| 23:11.06 | teotwaki | they can ask chanserv to op themselves when needed |
| 23:12.02 | SpeedEvil | It's a general freenode policy |
| 23:12.13 | teotwaki | it's a freenode guideline |
| 23:12.23 | teotwaki | check ##php |
| 23:12.33 | Bad_Dream | oh its ok |
| 23:12.44 | Bad_Dream | i usta play around in irc way back in the day |
| 23:12.54 | Bad_Dream | writing scripts and watnot |
| 23:13.13 | teotwaki | it's declining in usage fast |
| 23:13.14 | Bad_Dream | im pretty familiar with the way things work |
| 23:13.19 | bindi | didn't pick up with the proper grammar then? |
| 23:14.01 | teotwaki | bindi: don't see any grammar issues in what he said. |
| 23:14.23 | bindi | spelling then :p |
| 23:14.29 | Bad_Dream | ill tell you what....the internet is where people come to relax...chill out and get away from the bindings of proffesional lives...if someone feels a need to enforce proper grammar and correct in a place such as this then i see no other choice but to call him an anal retentive sack of crap |
| 23:14.30 | teotwaki | bindi: though, feel free to email George Lucas to criticise the way Yoda talks. |
| 23:14.33 | Bad_Dream | but hey i could be wrong |
| 23:14.56 | bindi | "usta" "wat" |
| 23:15.25 | teotwaki | Bad_Dream: no sweat, i'm the only anal retentive sack of crap in this channel who's banned people for using "u" instead of "you". |
| 23:15.37 | teotwaki | but they were repeat offenders. |
| 23:15.39 | teotwaki | and had it coming. |
| 23:15.42 | teotwaki | Twats. |
| 23:16.26 | Bad_Dream | feel free fur banning me fur not writing gud for yu...in fact ill make it a speshul point to type bad and use bad grammer just cuz i know yu dont like it |
| 23:16.29 | Bad_Dream | mmk? |
| 23:16.37 | bindi | er |
| 23:16.38 | teotwaki | haha |
| 23:17.09 | Bad_Dream | bindi just had aneurism explode in his pea sized brain |
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| 23:17.42 | teotwaki | Bad_Dream: since then, I've had colleagues send me emails asking "though the filters apply to couples of calls, or just rememberance?" |
| 23:18.19 | teotwaki | what they meant was "do the search filters only filter incoming, real-time calls or also the archived ones?" |
| 23:18.56 | Bad_Dream | lol |
| 23:19.12 | Bad_Dream | people gotta troll |
| 23:19.18 | teotwaki | So yeah, I do like it when people display proper spelling and grammar, but it's not that important to me. |
| 23:19.19 | Bad_Dream | its in our nature |
| 23:19.22 | teotwaki | Well, it wasn't trolling. |
| 23:19.29 | Bad_Dream | oh....then thats bad lol |
| 23:19.36 | teotwaki | That was honest to god, "that's the best I can do". |
| 23:19.42 | Bad_Dream | aaaaahahahaha |
| 23:19.42 | teotwaki | Well, I live in France. |
| 23:19.58 | teotwaki | So people writing English isn't just funny, it's sad. |
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| 23:27.29 | MohammadAG | I must admit, the N900 lasted a week with no 3G or Wifi |
| 23:27.40 | MohammadAG | but only because it can't connect to wifi for some reason |
| 23:27.42 | teotwaki | GNU libtool, has its C counterpart, you can do the dynamic linking yourself... as in, ltdl_open("myfile.so") |
| 23:27.55 | MohammadAG | why? |
| 23:28.19 | teotwaki | just so you don't have to recompile in case you want to update the library? |
| 23:28.33 | MohammadAG | it takes less than a second to compile it :p |
| 23:28.41 | teotwaki | but not to update / QA |
| 23:28.48 | teotwaki | And you can make it search the device for the proper .so, and if it finds it, load that, if not, take the one you shipped? |
| 23:28.58 | MohammadAG | upstream's been dead since April 2010 |
| 23:29.16 | MohammadAG | though I'd like to make some changes to store session data |
| 23:29.18 | teotwaki | oh well fuck off then, do it your way, if you don't want my help :P |
| 23:29.38 | MohammadAG | fucks off :p |
| 23:29.48 | MohammadAG | tbh the biggest problem was keeping the git repo intact |
| 23:30.11 | MohammadAG | as in this https://gitorious.org/qtbook/sociality-mtf/commit/6d66dad493385a7ef754f231e3d22373c71f0e9a |
| 23:30.16 | MohammadAG | mobile users: don't open that ^ |
| 23:30.32 | MohammadAG | or anyone with a low battery laptop, JS is heavy on that |
| 23:31.21 | MohammadAG | sadly gitorious's web UI doesn't show it was moved, it shows it was deleted and recreated |
| 23:31.26 | MohammadAG | git commit said it was renamed |