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| 06:09.43 | DocScrutinizer | sounds "reasonable" - aiui PSM is all about sync'ed timing |
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| 06:10.52 | DocScrutinizer | if the AP firmware got lazily coded, there will be only one timer to sync to one device |
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| 06:14.34 | DocScrutinizer | obviously this will usually be the last one client sending and negotiation PSM that wins, in such pathological case |
| 06:15.13 | DocScrutinizer | s/iation/iating/ |
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| 07:29.37 | hanning | is anyone getting mozillas html5 techdemo called "browserquest" to run in microb? |
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| 07:29.58 | hanning | browserquest.mozilla.org |
| 07:30.11 | hanning | i get an error about mising websockets |
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| 08:08.00 | Hurrian | check html5test - the engine in microb is old and doesn't support a lot of the html5 features introduced in firefox 4/gecko 2 |
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| 08:31.36 | jacekowski | hanning: no websockets in maemo |
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| 08:31.52 | jacekowski | hanning: websockets are disabled in most of browsers anyways |
| 08:31.59 | jacekowski | hanning: because of security issues with them |
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| 09:53.41 | dhbiker | hi there |
| 09:54.06 | dhbiker | umm how long does it take for the GPS to aquire the fix .... in my case its like 10 mins -.- |
| 09:54.13 | dhbiker | any way to speed it up ? |
| 09:55.10 | StyXman | dhbiker: AGPS |
| 09:55.20 | dhbiker | except that |
| 09:55.31 | StyXman | I wonder if it's possible to have an offlie db for AGPS |
| 09:55.36 | StyXman | dhbiker: no idea |
| 09:55.37 | dhbiker | same |
| 09:55.44 | StyXman | mine sometimes takes a long time too |
| 09:56.15 | dhbiker | on my previous android phone i had to change NTp servers in one config... and it got a fix in under 2 mins |
| 09:56.24 | dhbiker | on the exact same location as now with n90 |
| 09:56.25 | dhbiker | 0 |
| 09:58.07 | StyXman | dhbiker: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60155 |
| 09:58.20 | StyXman | I hadn't read it |
| 10:01.24 | StyXman | dhbiker: «some standalone GPS navigation devices may not be able to work out a position due to the fragmentary signal, rendering them unable to function until a clear signal can be received continuously for up to 12.5 minutes (the time needed to download the GPS almanac and ephemeris)» |
| 10:01.43 | dhbiker | ah |
| 10:02.21 | StyXman | (from agps article from wp) |
| 10:07.28 | StyXman | dhbiker: seems like AGPS uses both an orbital almanac/ephemeride and servers that compare GPS signal snapshots |
| 10:08.03 | StyXman | the first part is clearly offline-able, given that the soft supports it |
| 10:08.19 | StyXman | (and it seems like currently it doesn't) |
| 10:08.29 | StyXman | but the second one it's not |
| 10:08.42 | StyXman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS |
| 10:11.46 | StyXman | dhbiker: http://tajuma.com/supl/supl-proxy-ex.html |
| 10:12.14 | dhbiker | yes i saw the link |
| 10:12.20 | dhbiker | reading about it right now |
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| 10:14.50 | StyXman | dhbiker: please share any findings :) |
| 10:15.03 | dhbiker | will do |
| 10:18.56 | edheldil | dhbiker: also if you USE agps, you might need to change agps server from supl.nokia.com to supl.google.com |
| 10:18.56 | Sicelo | dhbiker: ~rtl |
| 10:19.00 | Sicelo | sorry |
| 10:19.04 | Sicelo | ~rtl |
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| 10:21.00 | StyXman | ~rtl? |
| 10:22.15 | dhbiker | will try that ... tnx edheldil for info |
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| 10:36.14 | villager | StyXman: ephemeris data is only valid for 30 minutes, you cannot have an offline db for it, that's why agps is so useful... the servers are redundant if the gps can do its own calculations, but downloading the ephemeris data is not |
| 10:38.17 | StyXman | villager: yes, but it seems that orbits have more life expectance |
| 10:38.40 | StyXman | OTOH, the proxy seems a better idea |
| 10:39.56 | villager | StyXman: the almanac data on the orbits is valid for months, yes... but for the ephemeris, no way |
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| 10:43.21 | villager | in earth orbit, especially given the navigation systems and clock designs of gps, and the limited computational power of gps receivers, deviations of like kilometers from estimated orbit would be pretty normal, but disastrous for ground navigation... you really need the real-time ephemeris data to know where the satellites actually are |
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| 10:52.42 | edheldil | villager: even cheap gps modules can cache almanac data and don't need agps. I don't know why the one in n900 is so lousy |
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| 11:07.15 | villager | edheldil: I hear the gps unit is hooked up to the cell modem, not to the main cpu... maybe some engineering thing, not giving it persistent storage? |
| 11:10.07 | merlin1991 | anyone in here who used the garage todo thingy? |
| 11:10.37 | merlin1991 | I just had the odd situation that a few entries went missing on the list, but the counter for overall todos still is correct |
| 11:11.04 | merlin1991 | err never mind |
| 11:11.18 | merlin1991 | silly search filter had an invalid kategory as default (lol) |
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| 11:31.41 | m4g0g | hi |
| 11:31.59 | m4g0g | where does microb store his bookmarks? |
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| 12:07.36 | jargon- | anybody here know how to configure cutempc? |
| 12:09.22 | LaoLang_cool | hi, I'v installed cron, but how to configure it to allow user add his own cron task? |
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| 12:11.50 | StyXman | LaoLang_cool: «crontab -e» (as user) doesn't work? |
| 12:12.52 | LaoLang_cool | StyXman: it says: crontabs/user/: fdopen: Permission denied |
| 12:14.14 | StyXman | maybe it has the worng perms |
| 12:14.25 | StyXman | lemme see |
| 12:14.50 | LaoLang_cool | StyXman: thanks! |
| 12:17.57 | StyXman | LaoLang_cool: I have this in a server with a crontab for ftp |
| 12:17.58 | StyXman | http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/7369 |
| 12:21.27 | r00t|home | the trick is the +T on /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 12:22.00 | LaoLang_cool | StyXman: I don't quite understand, what should I do now? |
| 12:22.05 | LaoLang_cool | r00t|home: +T? |
| 12:22.24 | r00t|home | well, and the group write bit |
| 12:22.57 | r00t|home | +T means users who can write the directory can only delete files they own, not all |
| 12:23.00 | r00t|home | usually used for /tmp |
| 12:23.55 | r00t|home | actually it's not critical there... it seems the crontab command is sgid crontab and we have the group write bit |
| 12:26.03 | LaoLang_cool | r00t|home: sorry, I still don't know what should I do... I'm not familiar with permision, so now I should add a +T to /var/spool/cron/crontabs? |
| 12:26.49 | r00t|home | show us the current settings first? ls -ld /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 12:36.08 | LaoLang_cool | r00t|home: sorry for late.. drwx-wx--T 2 root root 160 Mar 26 21:32 /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 12:37.04 | r00t|home | that looks ok then |
| 12:37.14 | r00t|home | ls -l $(which crontab) ? |
| 12:37.36 | r00t|home | mine is: -rwxr-sr-x 1 root crontab 35872 Jan 30 12:09 /usr/bin/crontab |
| 12:37.43 | r00t|home | note the sgid bit |
| 12:38.36 | LaoLang_cool | r00t|home: mine is -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27724 Nov 19 2010 /usrs/bin/crontab |
| 12:38.51 | LaoLang_cool | My maemo hasn't a crontab group |
| 12:39.22 | r00t|home | well, maybe just chmod g+s /usr/bin/crontab |
| 12:39.23 | LaoLang_cool | I remember that when installing crontab, there's some error message, but I can't recall them |
| 12:39.29 | r00t|home | might work, no idea if it's safe |
| 12:39.48 | r00t|home | why would you want cron on a phone anyway... |
| 12:40.15 | LaoLang_cool | r00t|home: say send a sms on schedual with smssend |
| 12:41.04 | LaoLang_cool | r00t|home: thank you, now user can crontab -e :) |
| 12:41.17 | r00t|home | <m4g0g> where does microb store his bookmarks? <--- .mozilla/microb/places.sqlite ? |
| 12:41.42 | r00t|home | LaoLang_cool: i guess security is not a major concern on a phone anyway... |
| 12:42.06 | LaoLang_cool | r00t|home: yes, I think so too :) |
| 12:43.34 | LaoLang_cool | r00t|home: why you have a crontab group which I don't have here? |
| 12:44.55 | r00t|home | no, but i also never tried to install cron |
| 12:45.48 | LaoLang_cool | ok.. |
| 12:50.52 | m4g0g | r00t|home: as I understand - no |
| 12:51.00 | m4g0g | in ~/.bookmarks |
| 12:51.50 | m4g0g | but |
| 12:51.58 | m4g0g | may be in this db too. |
| 12:52.51 | m4g0g | how I can test application for n9 without n9? |
| 12:53.23 | petteri | with qtsdk, it includes simulator |
| 12:53.55 | petteri | or with nokias remote device system (not sure about the correct name) |
| 12:54.07 | m4g0g | I have only n900 |
| 12:54.42 | petteri | qtsdk runs on desktop computer |
| 12:54.46 | merlin1991 | m4g0g: or with scratchbox |
| 12:54.47 | petteri | hopefully you have one |
| 12:55.14 | merlin1991 | actually in scratchbox you're closer to the real device than with Qt sdk |
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| 12:55.29 | m4g0g | ok |
| 12:55.34 | m4g0g | I will try it in gentoo |
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| 16:42.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | laolang installed cron on N900? :-o |
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| 17:56.52 | ruskie | heh actually had to reboot my n900 after some 90 days... it was running out of ram chronicaly |
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| 17:58.30 | narcos | Hey there. I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask questions about the N900 - if so, I've just bought a second hand one, and it doesn't seem to read MMC cards. I've tried two different ones (2GB and 16GB) with FAT16/32 and ext3. I don't see any entries in dmesg concerning it. I've read that the back cover needs to be closed because of some magnet thing - I've closed the back cover. Any help would be appreciated++ |
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| 18:10.32 | rookie2030 | hi anyone can help ill try to load debian on n810 and appers this |
| 18:10.33 | rookie2030 | blkid: error while loading shared libraries: libuuid.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:14.17 | narcos | Well, what do you know - it was the magnet |
| 18:14.33 | narcos | I've placed a fridge magnet near the phone cover and the card has been detected |
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| 18:18.40 | DocScrutinizer | narcos: is there a magnet to hold the kickstand? |
| 18:19.31 | DocScrutinizer | quite likely you bought one that lost this lil magnet |
| 18:20.13 | fizzie | Both the pieces -- the cover-side one and the piece that's in the kickstand "bar" -- of the kickstand magnet got loose on my phone quasi-recently. Glued the one that's in the back cover back on. (Then lost the other one.) |
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| 18:23.14 | narcos | DocScrutinizer: Nope, magnet's gone walkies |
| 18:24.16 | ShadowJK | I once used a magnet from a earphone I opened up carefully with a hammer. But that was with the mugen cover, which is big to accomodate a double-thickness battery, and leaves plenty of unused room around the camera :) |
| 18:24.47 | narcos | I've taped a small fridge magnet to the back cover. An ugly fix for now - I've mailed the ebay seller telling him to send me a new cover. |
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| 18:26.15 | ShadowJK | does he have supplies of back covers? :) |
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| 18:35.48 | DocScrutinizer | I start to like the dent in my 'new' N900 digitizer. Just visible enough to tell this one apart from T900 next to it |
| 18:37.33 | DocScrutinizer | magnets of tight size could either be found in HDD etc, or you cut sth off a flexible fridge magnet |
| 18:37.56 | DocScrutinizer | that* size |
| 18:38.11 | DocScrutinizer | womdes what his fingers are doing |
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| 18:41.49 | DocScrutinizer | UMM, they sold me a fsckdup battery??? >:-( |
| 18:42.33 | DocScrutinizer | this device sits on charger since 24h now, still doesn't stop drawing current (screen locked) |
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| 19:28.40 | holmesii | hello, I am trying to use libpcap in Qt creator. I am using ubuntu system with QT creator. I installed libpcap in both ubuntu and n900 cellphone. I tried to include libpcap library into my project. and the project can find the pcap.h, however, when I tried to compile the project. it showm me can't find pcap.h: no such file or directory. Any help? |
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| 19:34.51 | jacekowski | have you heard the news |
| 19:34.56 | jacekowski | meego isn't dead |
| 19:35.03 | holmesii | nop |
| 19:35.07 | holmesii | can you help me? |
| 19:35.08 | jacekowski | http://www.netbooknews.com/47197/nokia-working-on-two-new-low-end-meego-smartphones/ |
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| 19:52.41 | merlin1991 | holmesii: Qt creator uses madde in order to compile for the n900 |
| 19:53.11 | merlin1991 | there are tools to install packages to the madde sysroot (inside madde) |
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| 19:53.35 | holmesii | im running ubuntu 10.04, what should I do now? |
| 19:53.38 | holmesii | can you help me? |
| 19:54.14 | vi__ | delete it and install windows ME |
| 19:54.20 | vi__ | it is rly gud |
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| 19:55.00 | vi__ | does anyone still hang out on this channel? |
| 19:55.12 | vi__ | or has it gone meego too? |
| 19:55.12 | merlin1991 | are you using the qt creator that came with ubuntu or does the one from qtsdak? |
| 19:55.23 | merlin1991 | vi__: #maemo is alive and kicking just like a year ago |
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| 19:56.16 | vi__ | heh |
| 19:56.25 | holmesii | I installed the QT creator from QTsdak. |
| 19:56.37 | holmesii | download from QT.nokia.com website. |
| 19:57.28 | vi__ | merlin1991: thankyou for continuing cssu. |
| 19:57.35 | vi__ | we all appreciate it. |
| 19:59.13 | holmesii | I will google something and try it. thanks a lot. I will give feedback soon. |
| 20:02.26 | holmesii | hi, merlin1991, do i need to install that in my ubuntu system or n900 device? |
| 20:02.59 | merlin1991 | you need to install the pcap armel package into your madde sysroot |
| 20:03.28 | holmesii | what's is my madde sysroot? in my ubuntu system or my n900 device? |
| 20:03.35 | merlin1991 | in your ubuntu system |
| 20:03.58 | merlin1991 | it's a subdirectory of the qt sdk |
| 20:04.25 | merlin1991 | wherever you installed your Qt sdk you'll have a subfolder Maemo/4.6.2/ |
| 20:05.08 | merlin1991 | navigate there in a console, and run bin/mad-admin xdpkg PATHTOPCAP.deb |
| 20:05.24 | merlin1991 | and also bin/mad-admin xdpkg PATHTOPCAP-DEV.deb |
| 20:05.31 | merlin1991 | and those .debs have to be the armel ones |
| 20:05.36 | holmesii | thank you, iam using the default path and trying to locate the qt sdk. |
| 20:05.53 | merlin1991 | by default it ends up in ~/QtSadk |
| 20:05.59 | merlin1991 | s/Sad/Sd/ |
| 20:06.51 | holmesii | yes. but I am still looking for it. will let you know then. Thank you!!! |
| 20:09.21 | holmesii | so i have to download the libpcap.deb libpcap-dev.deb in that folder and run ./mad-admin xdpkg, is that correct? |
| 20:09.36 | holmesii | i found the location of bin/mad-admin |
| 20:11.20 | merlin1991 | yeah |
| 20:11.37 | merlin1991 | just make sure you're not in the harmattan sysroot if you installed harmattan from the qtsdk aswell |
| 20:15.24 | holmesii | i found the debs in package.maemo org and I tried to download fremantle extras-devel free armel version. But for the version of libpcap-dev in fremantel extras-devel, there is warning: this package has missing dependecies. should I change another version? |
| 20:20.00 | holmesii | ./mad set harmattan-platform-api , do i need to set it as fremantle??? |
| 20:23.08 | holmesii | i got the answer, mad list |
| 20:25.22 | merlin1991 | well if you have missing dependencies you should also have a list of what's missing |
| 20:25.33 | merlin1991 | you'll have to get that stuff from maemo.org aswell |
| 20:25.38 | holmesii | I tried ./mad-admin xdpkg -i /pathtomydeb/deb, and got Cannot make '/opt/QTSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim/tmp/madde-xdpkg |
| 20:26.10 | merlin1991 | did you install the sdk as root? |
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| 20:26.55 | merlin1991 | you could try to run it with sudo |
| 20:27.07 | holmesii | thanks. i was disconnected. |
| 20:27.48 | holmesii | it's ok. but it told me that package 'libpcap0.8' installed. looks like i need to uninstall it first |
| 20:28.22 | merlin1991 | don't do that |
| 20:28.32 | holmesii | so. what should I do now? |
| 20:28.49 | holmesii | i tried I tried ./mad-admin xdpkg -i /pathtomydeb/deb, and got Cannot make '/opt/QTSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim/tmp/madde-xdpkg |
| 20:28.58 | holmesii | however, it said "libpcap" installed. |
| 20:28.59 | merlin1991 | which package did you try to install? |
| 20:29.06 | holmesii | libpcap0.8 |
| 20:29.16 | holmesii | libpcap0.8_1.1.1-2maemo4_armel.deb |
| 20:29.26 | holmesii | download from package maemo org |
| 20:29.58 | merlin1991 | try it with http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk-tools_free_armel/libpcap0.8/0.9.8-5+0m5/ and http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk-tools_free_armel/libpcap0.8-dev/0.9.8-5+0m5/ |
| 20:30.10 | holmesii | thank you |
| 20:32.45 | holmesii | thank you. it works. it removed the old one first and then installed the new one. do i have to do the same in my n900 device? |
| 20:36.42 | holmesii | i got the same error :( |
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| 20:40.29 | holmesii | it's working!!!!!! |
| 20:40.35 | holmesii | guys!!! I love you!!! |
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| 23:53.08 | Sazpaimon | can mtd2 be zeroed out somehow? |
| 23:53.19 | Sazpaimon | i want to get a fresh log |
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