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| 02:44.49 | John_ | hi, im new to maemo, is there anybody working with QT? |
| 02:44.55 | Guest87686 | for maemo program? |
| 02:46.18 | holmesii | Hi I am new to meamo and QT, I installed QT set in windows system and trying to make a program for maemo device. I want to do some program with libpcap. But i don't know how to start. |
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| 02:50.37 | ShiftPlusOne | Hello, where can I find the source for sdl-gles to steal? |
| 02:51.54 | holmesii | nobody will answer you |
| 02:52.15 | ShiftPlusOne | well... not instantly. |
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| 02:54.00 | ShiftPlusOne | think I found it anyway http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/s/sdlgles/sdlgles_1.0.0.tar.gz |
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| 04:20.16 | Evanescence | what is that line for N900 to output to TV ? |
| 04:21.04 | Evanescence | I mean, what type line ? some name like VGA, AVOUT |
| 04:40.25 | ShiftPlusOne | quiet channel this =/ |
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| 05:48.12 | DocScrutinizer | CVBS? |
| 05:49.47 | Macer | hello |
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| 05:52.43 | DocScrutinizer | hi Macer |
| 05:53.05 | Macer | it is so nice outside |
| 05:57.08 | Macer | until tomorrow... back to 40s |
| 05:57.20 | Macer | we are on the early spring roller coaster |
| 05:57.35 | Macer | had the most mild winter in chicago history |
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| 06:25.35 | DocScrutinizer | heh, same here. Nice til tomorrow |
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| 13:09.59 | Netham45 | Are there any Maemo builds targeting tablets? |
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| 13:13.01 | Sicelo | if u mean running maemo on those tablets.. no. it's kinda pointless |
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| 13:14.20 | Sicelo | otherwise maemo targets tablets by default.. NITs ;) |
| 13:15.08 | Netham45 | Okay, are there any maemo builds out there for non-nokia devices? Wanted to play with it on my Iconia A500 (Tegra 2, ARM) |
| 13:15.38 | Sicelo | no. not any |
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| 13:51.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's not completely true, some are 'out there', running on beagleboard etc and hiding somewhere on stskeeps' HDD |
| 13:53.42 | dm8tbr | has an old-mer build on his Archos5IT |
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| 15:20.50 | Estel_ | Hello Maemo |
| 15:21.29 | Estel_ | I've tried to move my modest accounts settings to encrypted volume, so I've moved /var/lib/gconf/apps/modest and symlinked it |
| 15:22.06 | Estel_ | yet, despite, that it have same permissions etc and is properly symlinked, operation failed miserably. Modest just assumes no account, and propose me to configure new one |
| 15:22.38 | Estel_ | even rebooting (i have wifi disabled on boot by default), enabling encrypted volume, and only trying wifi and modest after that doesnt help. |
| 15:23.15 | Estel_ | Any idea, what I may be doing wrong? how to properly move gconf settings of some particular program to other media? |
| 15:24.19 | Estel_ | doing same thing with configs from /home/user/.someconfig worked. It's just that /var/lib/gconf/apps/someconfig works differently and cn't be just moved&symlinked? |
| 15:28.41 | Estel_ | brb, trying to reboot after restoring - even after deleting symlink and mv back modest gconf folder to /var/lib/gconf/apps/modest it doesnt work |
| 15:28.48 | Estel_ | killing modest also doesnt help |
| 15:29.13 | Estel_ | it's funny, as my settings - like auto-check interval etc are restored, but accounts aren't |
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| 15:34.31 | Estel_ | Fortunately, reboot makes account to appear. I still wonder WTF it isn't working after moving /var/lib/gconf/apps/modest to encrypted device and symlinking... |
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| 15:38.29 | obcecado | hi |
| 15:39.01 | obcecado | guys, my n900 drained battery while i was on call |
| 15:39.11 | obcecado | and now it's asking for unlock code (which i dont have) |
| 15:39.16 | obcecado | any ideas? |
| 15:41.31 | psycho_oreos | try the default lock code |
| 15:42.08 | obcecado | from what i searched before it should be 12345, no luck |
| 15:42.38 | obcecado | i had an unlock code set about one year ago, already tried that |
| 15:42.52 | psycho_oreos | or maybe 5 zeroes? |
| 15:43.37 | Estel_ | obcecado, search tmo for methods to recover it |
| 15:44.00 | Estel_ | if You have ssh enabled, you may do so even without reflashing |
| 15:44.11 | Macer | be careful |
| 15:44.25 | Macer | it may be a sim unlock code |
| 15:44.28 | Macer | :) |
| 15:44.44 | obcecado | Estel_: sorry maybe i wasn't clear, this happened after a battery drain |
| 15:44.57 | obcecado | so, sadly i dont have access to the filesystem |
| 15:45.03 | Estel_ | well, of course, I assume that obcecado know what he want to achieve |
| 15:45.19 | Estel_ | backupmenu installed? |
| 15:45.30 | obcecado | i read a thread on talk.maemo.org that cites cracking a hash |
| 15:45.33 | Estel_ | You can use it to enable usb networking and ssh |
| 15:45.34 | obcecado | which i cannot access |
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| 15:45.40 | obcecado | no backupmenu |
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| 15:46.09 | psycho_oreos | looks like a reflash is the only way to go |
| 15:46.12 | Estel_ | without backupmenu, and if You're sure that it's not simlock related, try FIASCOZ flashing |
| 15:46.16 | Estel_ | agreed. |
| 15:46.25 | obcecado | thanks for the hint, let me google that :-) |
| 15:46.30 | Estel_ | You shouldn't lose personal files on MyDocs etc |
| 15:46.43 | Estel_ | Maemo wiki got that |
| 15:46.57 | psycho_oreos | obcecado, did you overclock the device? |
| 15:47.03 | Estel_ | article "upgrading the firmware/flashing" |
| 15:47.26 | obcecado | i have a custom profile.. its actually an underclock |
| 15:47.37 | Estel_ | but, if it is what I think it is, even after reflash, Uou'll have unknown lock code. No big deal, as it won't be set to ask for it on boot |
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| 15:47.58 | Estel_ | yet, You'll have to retrieve lock code to gain possibility to change it |
| 15:48.15 | Estel_ | it's possible that it got corrupted, and it's hash will be listed as empty |
| 15:48.44 | Estel_ | in that case, someone published a file, that when put in certain place and executed, reset lock code to default |
| 15:48.59 | Estel_ | as added bnefit, fixing the "empty hash" problem |
| 15:49.08 | obcecado | Estel_: how am i supposed to execute that file, if i do not have any shell access? |
| 15:49.20 | obcecado | after flashing the device, if i dont have the unlock code, i'm out |
| 15:49.22 | Estel_ | it's near beginning of thread, where decrypting hash is explained |
| 15:49.39 | Estel_ | nope, cause after flashing, device doesn't ask for lock code on boot |
| 15:49.44 | Estel_ | as I've written ;) |
| 15:50.08 | obcecado | sorry i must've misread |
| 15:50.12 | obcecado | thank you for your help |
| 15:50.13 | Estel_ | it ask for it only if You enable asking (don't touch it unless You retrieve it), or when You want to change code |
| 15:50.15 | obcecado | i'll read up |
| 15:50.17 | Estel_ | no problem. |
| 15:50.41 | Estel_ | ask here if You hit serious roadblocks - someone will be surely able to help |
| 15:50.44 | Macer | there once was a time when nokia had an easy flashing app for windows that would just download and install the latest maemo |
| 15:50.47 | Macer | heh |
| 15:50.49 | Macer | what ever happened to that? |
| 15:51.03 | obcecado | im not a windows user anyways :-) |
| 15:51.12 | Estel_ | Yet, You should manage - it was one of first thing that I've did after aquiring N900, while being both Maemo and Linux at all noob |
| 15:51.41 | Estel_ | so, if You're not windoze user, You should certainly manage |
| 15:52.13 | obcecado | just making sure, this is the article you're mentioning ? http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware |
| 15:52.20 | Estel_ | BTW, anyone got any hints on my problem with moving some gconf settings to other media and symlinking? |
| 15:52.21 | Estel_ | yep |
| 15:52.35 | Estel_ | You *don't* want to do Vanilla eMMC reflash |
| 15:52.45 | Estel_ | Fiasco one interest You |
| 15:53.24 | Estel_ | (i.e. the one that flash 256 NAND + optfs on 32GB eMMC, and doesn't touch rest of eMMC) |
| 15:53.42 | Estel_ | also, after getting rid of current problem, install backupmenu |
| 15:53.56 | Estel_ | it's a must. Somehow, I think it should be a part of CSSU. |
| 15:54.42 | obcecado | yep |
| 15:54.44 | Estel_ | Android kids are dumb most of the time, but it's quite smart to add recovery tool into cyanogenmod mess |
| 15:54.51 | obcecado | now i'm understanding why.. |
| 15:55.04 | Estel_ | heck, they even went so far, that they've added it to custom kernel too. |
| 15:57.24 | Macer | http://hackaday.com/2012/03/28/building-the-worst-linux-pc-ever/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+hackaday%2FLgoM+%28Hack+a+Day%29 |
| 15:57.27 | Macer | lol |
| 15:57.30 | Macer | w.....t.....f? |
| 15:58.11 | obcecado | well, why isn't there maemo flasher source in 64bit? |
| 16:03.10 | Estel_ | cause maemo flasher isn't open even for 32 bit |
| 16:03.20 | Estel_ | Pali created Open flasher replacement |
| 16:03.31 | Estel_ | yet, it's not 100% complete AFAIK |
| 16:03.41 | obcecado | but there's a 64bit package for debian/ubuntu |
| 16:03.53 | Pali | my open replacement is for cold flashing |
| 16:04.01 | Pali | and cold flashing working fine |
| 16:04.02 | obcecado | either way i managed running that 32bit app, on my 64bit |
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| 16:04.13 | obcecado | only had to taint some libs |
| 16:04.20 | Pali | if you need open source normal flashing, use program 0xFFFF |
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| 16:09.46 | obcecado | thanks for the hint Pali |
| 16:09.48 | Estel_ | Macer - eh, if it would be only possible to add more RAM to N900 such easidly ;) |
| 16:10.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok, a used one from 2nd hand next door: 130EUR, with 6 months warranty whatever that means |
| 16:10.21 | Estel_ | I swear I would fit smal notebook'ish 2GB RAM into mugen cover |
| 16:11.16 | Estel_ | brb |
| 16:11.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | alas - of course - german WERTZU kbd |
| 16:11.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | aka QWERTZ |
| 16:13.51 | Macer | heh |
| 16:14.16 | Macer | wertzu? is that the layout in german? |
| 16:14.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: (pali created) there's 0xFFFF since ages |
| 16:14.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | qwertzuiop |
| 16:16.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | I guess FFFF is First Free Firmware Flasher, or sth |
| 16:16.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | nfc what's 0x |
| 16:17.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | zero experience? |
| 16:17.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | ;-P |
| 16:18.31 | Macer | does mugen even sell n900 double batteries anymore |
| 16:19.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~wiki qwertz |
| 16:20.11 | Pali | DocScrutinizer51, 0xFFFF is Open Free Fiasco Firmware Flasher |
| 16:20.27 | Pali | 0 looks like O :D |
| 16:20.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | :D |
| 16:20.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | what's 'x'? |
| 16:21.01 | Pali | no idea... |
| 16:21.04 | Pali | http://nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ |
| 16:21.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway, 'sheik yerbouti' |
| 16:22.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | walks home to make his daily phone and the new member of 900 crew say hello to T900 |
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| 16:23.07 | Pali | T900? |
| 16:23.18 | obcecado | wish me good luck, i just started flashing :> |
| 16:23.25 | Pali | it sounds like T602 :D |
| 16:23.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | T900? nah |
| 16:23.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | 'I'll be back!' |
| 16:24.11 | mgedmin | for a moment I thought those were new Lenovo ThinkPad model names |
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| 16:24.16 | mgedmin | only has a T61 |
| 16:24.34 | obcecado | well, its still asking for a pin |
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| 16:28.28 | obcecado | usb cable unplugged, i got it to boot |
| 16:29.04 | obcecado | yikes, i managed to forget how rough was the default UI |
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| 17:51.16 | holmesii | hi, is there anybody can help me? |
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| 17:54.15 | holmesii | echo |
| 17:55.44 | dm8tbr | nobody will help you if you don't ask your question. |
| 17:55.54 | ShadowJK | nope not a mindreader, sorry |
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| 17:56.56 | DocScrutinizer | ~ask |
| 17:56.56 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 17:57.16 | holmesii | Thank you! |
| 17:57.49 | ShadowJK | and I've also never used libpcap, and generally would have no clue how to use a C library in a QT C++ program whilst fighting with an IDE at the same time :/ |
| 17:58.21 | DocScrutinizer | o.O ? |
| 17:58.47 | ShadowJK | scrolled up |
| 17:58.52 | holmesii | I am very new to maemo. I want to develop a UI software to get the wireless signal in N900. I installed QT in my windows7 system and trying to do some libpcap thing for the software. How can I develop the software and deploy it into my N900? I currently can do a simple UI software and deploy it into my N900. |
| 17:58.54 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 18:01.00 | kerio | wait, you said windows 7? |
| 18:01.05 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I got me a 130€ used kit of spareparts ;-D |
| 18:01.06 | holmesii | yes. |
| 18:01.08 | kerio | you actually want to develop for linux on w7? :| |
| 18:01.18 | kerio | that's... peculiar, to say the least |
| 18:01.23 | ShadowJK | Well if it was normal stuff, I'd #include <pcap.h>, and make sure my software is linked with -Lpcap, but how to do that in QT creator I have no clue :) |
| 18:01.36 | holmesii | i installed QT in my windows7 system. but of couse. I can still install QT in my ubuntu 10.04 system. whatever if possible. |
| 18:01.41 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer; still haven't been able to get a spare :( |
| 18:02.02 | holmesii | I want make a UI software with QT and deploy it on my N900 device. |
| 18:02.06 | holmesii | how should I start. |
| 18:02.11 | kerio | holmesii: i'd install scratchbox, but that's a whole another bag of bullshit to deal with |
| 18:02.11 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not well-fed |
| 18:02.11 | ShadowJK | do you mean that QT Creator thing? because qt by itself does nothing? |
| 18:02.34 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. still looking for a new one |
| 18:03.12 | DocScrutinizer | but that severely used one was just sitting there in that shop's shelf ;-) |
| 18:03.40 | ShadowJK | imagines qtcreator is set up only for Ovi-compliant software. i.e. no extra libs :/ |
| 18:04.03 | holmesii | is it possible to do pcap things in QT and deploy it on N900 device? Need guidance... |
| 18:05.10 | DocScrutinizer | everything is "possible" |
| 18:05.24 | holmesii | Can you give me any clue? |
| 18:05.39 | DocScrutinizer | for now we don't even have a clue what SDK you're using |
| 18:06.17 | holmesii | I just downloaded QT 4.7 from the server and installed it. |
| 18:06.24 | ShadowJK | I think he's using qt creator? I think it's this etch-a-sketch thing to build QT UIs with but I'm not sure? |
| 18:06.46 | DocScrutinizer | possibly |
| 18:06.46 | holmesii | I am running maemo 5 on N900 devices. and installed libpcap0.8, libpcap0.8-dev |
| 18:07.03 | ShadowJK | because just QT does nothing on its own, has no UI and no tools afaik |
| 18:07.26 | DocScrutinizer | yep, except QtCreator/designer, and linguist |
| 18:07.37 | holmesii | I now can publish software on my n900 device. But I need to do something with libpcap to capture the wireless packet. |
| 18:07.54 | holmesii | yes. I am using QT creator |
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| 18:08.01 | ShadowJK | so I'm guessing the only possibility is QT creator then, as you'd probably not call madde "QT"... unless madde was folded into qtcreator, I've not really followed qt side of things |
| 18:08.02 | DocScrutinizer | we already heard about that, holmesii |
| 18:08.13 | DocScrutinizer | aahaaaa |
| 18:08.34 | holmesii | forgive me newbie to this area. :) |
| 18:09.19 | ShadowJK | googles and finds http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtcreator-2.4/creator-project-qmake-libraries.html |
| 18:09.21 | DocScrutinizer | you'll have a hard time with qt-creator alone |
| 18:10.02 | DocScrutinizer | for maemo it's scratchbox and madde that's recommended and supported, afaik |
| 18:10.04 | holmesii | is there any other easy way to deal with libpcap things? with UI? |
| 18:10.30 | ShadowJK | It gets hard once you move outside the areas supported natively by qt creator |
| 18:10.44 | DocScrutinizer | too hard |
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| 18:10.54 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer; there's a n900 choice in qtcreator too afaik :P |
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| 18:11.10 | holmesii | I can use any designer, in fact I am new to all of them. |
| 18:11.33 | holmesii | so please let me know which one is easier to implement the stuff i want. |
| 18:11.45 | DocScrutinizer | mompls |
| 18:12.02 | ShadowJK | well I'm pretty sure neither me nor DocScrutinizer has ever used any designer at all, so we're probably unqualified to answer ;p |
| 18:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation |
| 18:12.50 | DocScrutinizer | might give you the most comprehensive startpoint |
| 18:13.13 | holmesii | all right. Thank you guys!! |
| 18:14.08 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/28/nokia_sim_again/ |
| 18:15.10 | holmesii | thank you! |
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| 18:21.47 | ShadowJK | have you tried to check manually whether the data you want is available through packet dumping btw? |
| 18:22.01 | ShadowJK | tcpdump should be in -devel I think |
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| 18:25.45 | DocScrutinizer | I have honest doubts the design is straight to the point. You'd very likely not need pcap to implement something that's not exactly a twin of tcpdump and wireshark |
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| 18:33.26 | holmesii | thanks!! |
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| 18:49.35 | ErwinJunge | Does anyone know whatever happened to firefox on the N900? I remember using it a long time ago and figured I'd give it another try but it seems to have vanished from mozilla's website? |
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| 18:55.32 | ToJa92 | ErwinJunge: They stopped supporting it after they released Firefox 7, according to their wiki. From what I can tell, the latest version is available here: https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/nightly/2011/11/2011-11-10-04-20-35-mozilla-aurora-maemo5-gtk/ |
| 18:55.48 | ToJa92 | lastest as in last officially built, that is. |
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| 18:57.08 | ErwinJunge | ToJa92: Thanks for the info, sad news but to be expected I guess. Ah well, I never really had an issue with the default browser anyways :) |
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| 19:26.19 | MohammadAG | http://uk.akg.com/product-detail-2821/k518lered.html <-- awesome phones |
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| 19:45.25 | Sicelo | Pali: can i just uninstall uboot with apt-get? |
| 19:46.05 | Pali | Sicelo, do you have flashed u-boot into NAND? |
| 19:46.15 | Pali | to kernel area? |
| 19:46.34 | Sicelo | i am just now preparing to flash my n900 following my uboot 'accident' two days ago.. what i notice is that i can still chroot into it from debina on SD card.. :/ |
| 19:47.03 | Pali | first you need to flash kernel image |
| 19:47.14 | Pali | and then you can uninstall u-boot via apt/dpkg |
| 19:47.37 | Sicelo | yeah.. sounds good :) |
| 19:48.21 | Pali | u-boot is stored in kernel NAND, so you cannot remove it before you install other kernel image |
| 19:48.39 | Sicelo | i'm ready to do a full combined flash.. but a 'rescue' method won't hurt. |
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| 19:49.18 | Pali | just reflash kernel zImage |
| 19:49.22 | Sicelo | kewl. thanks for info. i'll flash kernel, chroot into maemo, and dpkg -r, right? |
| 19:49.50 | Pali | after reflashing kernel image, maemo 5 will automatically start |
| 19:50.04 | Pali | because u-boot will be replaced with regular kernel |
| 19:50.20 | Sicelo | not in my case Pali. it doesn't start |
| 19:51.39 | Sicelo | kernel panic.. tried to kill init - and one of your tmo post say only way out is flash full combined image, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83094 |
| 19:52.29 | Pali | oh, you have this same problem "Warning: unable to open an initial console." ? |
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| 19:52.50 | Sicelo | yes |
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| 19:53.05 | Sicelo | and Kernel panic - attempted to kill init |
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| 19:53.37 | Pali | so, then only way is to full reflash |
| 19:53.52 | Pali | make sure that your battery is not empty |
| 19:53.58 | Sicelo | but the maemo rootfs seems to still be fine.. i'm right now chrooted into it from debian (to copy stuff before reflash..) |
| 19:54.11 | Pali | can you chroot to maemo ubifs rootfs? |
| 19:54.17 | Sicelo | yup |
| 19:54.26 | Pali | please write output of /dev |
| 19:54.53 | Pali | my idea is that file /dev/console is deleted |
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| 19:54.53 | Sicelo | input mmcblk0 mmcblk0p1 mmcblk0p2 mmcblk0p3 mmcblk0p4 null pts rtc0 twl4030_wdt watchdog |
| 19:54.53 | Pali | ls -l |
| 19:55.13 | Pali | I mean dev in rootfs |
| 19:55.15 | Sicelo | ls -l in which directory? |
| 19:55.17 | Sicelo | ah |
| 19:55.30 | DocScrutinizer | hah |
| 19:55.38 | Sicelo | yeah.. /dev is from maemo's root |
| 19:55.39 | Pali | in maemo ubifs roots |
| 19:56.00 | Pali | so there is missing console char device |
| 19:56.08 | Pali | and I think this is reason why kernel cannot boot |
| 19:56.17 | Pali | you can try to create /dev/console |
| 19:56.24 | Pali | and try to boot maemo again |
| 19:56.29 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: when uboot (obviously) gets installed together with kernel to dev/mtd1, so what is it you're uninstalling via apt then, after flashing stock kernel? |
| 19:56.53 | Sicelo | Pali: http://pastebin.com/R2VQyd0H |
| 19:57.03 | Pali | I mean reinstalling kernel and kernel-flasher package to reflash stock kernel |
| 19:57.07 | Pali | e.g. remove u-bot |
| 19:57.32 | Sicelo | hmm, to create /dev/console, i need `mknod` .. what arguments do i give? |
| 19:57.35 | DocScrutinizer | aah, "uninstall" the kernel-flasher |
| 19:57.58 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, what is major and minor number for /dev/console ? |
| 19:58.00 | ErwinJunge | MohammadAG: Personal experience, or just an "I'd like to own those"? |
| 19:58.00 | DocScrutinizer | actually I'd think you can do that any time, no? ;-D |
| 19:58.08 | DocScrutinizer | mompls |
| 19:58.13 | Sicelo | :P |
| 19:58.16 | Sicelo | lemme google |
| 19:58.33 | DocScrutinizer | t900:~# ls -l /dev/console |
| 19:58.35 | DocScrutinizer | crw------- 1 root root 5, 1 Mar 11 15:27 /dev/console |
| 19:58.41 | Sicelo | thanks DocScrutinizer ;) |
| 19:58.45 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 19:58.51 | Pali | mknod /dev/console c 5 1 |
| 19:59.18 | Pali | Sicelo, also /dev/zero and /dev/tty is needed I think |
| 19:59.29 | Sicelo | meh.. this debian can't write to ubi.. only read |
| 19:59.49 | Pali | Sicelo, write output of mount |
| 19:59.53 | Pali | $ mount |
| 20:00.15 | Sicelo | ubi0_0 on /mnt/ubi type ubifs (ro,relatime) |
| 20:00.15 | DocScrutinizer | t900:~# ls -l /dev/tty |
| 20:00.17 | DocScrutinizer | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 5, 0 Jan 1 1970 /dev/tty |
| 20:00.19 | DocScrutinizer | t900:~# ls -l /dev/zero |
| 20:00.20 | DocScrutinizer | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 5 Jan 1 1970 /dev/zero |
| 20:01.03 | NIN101 | Sicelo: that's the nemo kernel |
| 20:01.03 | Sicelo | lemme umount and try again.. |
| 20:01.03 | Pali | mount ubi0_0 -t ubifs /mnt/ubi -o remount,rw,relatime |
| 20:01.03 | Sicelo | yes NIN101 :/ |
| 20:01.03 | Pali | this should remount to rw mode |
| 20:01.19 | NIN101 | the nemo kernel, afaik, can't write to ubifs, or couldn't at least. |
| 20:01.40 | Sicelo | aha.. that's why.. because i tried yesterday |
| 20:02.56 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ no module "ubi", and prolly nemo hasn't bothered to build monolitic as well |
| 20:03.38 | NIN101 | rescueOS can do it. |
| 20:03.46 | Sicelo | anyway.. this was just an 'experiment' -- guess i'll go on and flash |
| 20:04.09 | Sicelo | ah.. lemme boot rescueOS then :) |
| 20:05.02 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: how did you manage to nuke stuff off /dev/* ? ;-D |
| 20:05.09 | Pali | Sicelo, here is output of /dev/ from rootfs from FIASCO image http://pastebin.com/hs13sjdV |
| 20:05.45 | Pali | I unpacked rootfs from RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
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| 20:06.35 | Pali | /dev/pts is empty subfolder |
| 20:09.51 | Sicelo | lol - all those dev nodes are there on rescueOS |
| 20:10.27 | NIN101 | of course there on rescueOS, but are they in maemo root? |
| 20:10.51 | Sicelo | ah.. dang.. dumb me |
| 20:11.16 | Sicelo | input mmcblk0 mmcblk0p1 mmcblk0p2 mmcblk0p3 mmcblk0p4 null pts rtc0 twl4030_wdt watchdog |
| 20:11.53 | Pali | Sicelo, just create that missing to n900 rootfs |
| 20:12.08 | Pali | maybe this is reason of non bootable system |
| 20:12.33 | Pali | warning cannot open console is for sure problem with missing /dev/console |
| 20:13.06 | Sicelo | /dev/console added.. |
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| 20:16.13 | Pali | Sicelo, write then if adding /dev/console fixed maemo5 booting problem |
| 20:18.18 | Sicelo | well.. using omapfb kernel seems to go a bit farther than before, but scren is dark so i can't make out where it stops |
| 20:18.50 | Sicelo | aha.. dots' |
| 20:18.50 | Sicelo | :D |
| 20:18.54 | Sicelo | booted |
| 20:19.27 | Pali | problem fixed? |
| 20:20.04 | Sicelo | well.. i guess so. i'll uninstall u-boot, restore kp49 |
| 20:20.08 | Pali | can you point me where to download some rescue OS which can I use in future for fixing this problem? |
| 20:20.22 | NIN101 | http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ |
| 20:20.25 | Sicelo | NIN101 is the mastermind behind this |
| 20:20.26 | Sicelo | :D |
| 20:21.07 | Pali | thanks! |
| 20:21.51 | NIN101 | yw |
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| 20:24.14 | Sicelo | NIN101: add there that one can use chroot.. if i didn't try chrooting in debian, i'd simply have reflashed .. unnecessary reflash |
| 20:24.44 | NIN101 | "mounting maemo /" implies chroot, or not? :-) |
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| 20:25.52 | Sicelo | hmm, not to all of us, lol.. i simply wanted to copy stuff from maemo's /etc .. chroot came to me as a 'crazy' idea. i felt i had nothing to lose |
| 20:26.11 | Sicelo | anyway, maybe it's cause i'm just noob |
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| 20:34.14 | Vib3 | hi |
| 20:34.38 | Vib3 | I get "not enough spcae in application install memory" while installing software |
| 20:35.08 | Vib3 | tried that moveroot.sh but it says usd/share etc are 0 in size |
| 20:35.51 | Vib3 | trying to install MAemo 5 21.2011.38-1.002 |
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| 20:38.15 | MohammadAG | ErwinJunge, got them today |
| 20:38.39 | MohammadAG | ErwinJunge, must say their comfort level isn't that high after an hour or two |
| 20:38.55 | MohammadAG | plus if you have a long head (not sure if there's a better word) they might not fit |
| 20:40.01 | ErwinJunge | Hm... that is one of my biggest problems with headphones in general, comfort level after long-term use. I tend to use headphones during coding, so 8 hour stretches shouldn't be unconfortable. So these are out then :) Thanks for the quick review ;) |
| 20:41.01 | MohammadAG | ErwinJunge, definitely out then, the audio quality is awesome, but I find myself taking them for 5s every hour or so |
| 20:42.05 | ErwinJunge | Using a set of really old (10+ years) sennheisers now. Audio quality is decent, but always looking for potential upgrades to my work equipment. |
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| 20:43.23 | MohammadAG | I'm surprised these sound good for metal/rock and dance/trance songs |
| 20:43.30 | MohammadAG | the bass makes them vibrate, literally |
| 20:43.51 | Vib3 | ideas how free space from rootfs? |
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| 20:52.18 | ErwinJunge | I'm off, byebye |
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| 21:06.17 | szopeen | Vib3: move bigger files to opt and symlink to them |
| 21:13.05 | Vib3 | szopeen: ok, but I have put pwnphone here which overwrited rootfs and optfs |
| 21:13.26 | Vib3 | but my wlan is not working correctly, disconnects wlan |
| 21:13.34 | szopeen | Vib3: also check http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space |
| 21:13.53 | Vib3 | can keep n900 in wlan if I ping something from n900 |
| 21:14.00 | Vib3 | then it starts working again |
| 21:14.01 | szopeen | not sure how pwnphone handles free spae |
| 21:15.04 | szopeen | if you think rootfs space is the issue use 'storage usage' app from kimmo pekkola |
| 21:15.17 | szopeen | and identify the biggest offenders |
| 21:15.28 | szopeen | mv file /opt/file |
| 21:15.36 | szopeen | ln -s /opt/file . |
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| 21:16.03 | szopeen | there was a script somewhere on tmo that automated this |
| 21:18.28 | Vib3 | szopeen: ok, used that moveroot.sh but it says those files are 0 in size |
| 21:19.27 | szopeen | different one iirc |
| 21:22.06 | Vib3 | ok |
| 21:22.12 | Vib3 | trying that app |
| 21:25.24 | szopeen | i think daperl mentioned it (or wrote?) in some post about on-device compilation |
| 21:25.31 | szopeen | not really sure though |
| 21:27.06 | Vib3 | you know about that why maemo is missing usb.h? |
| 21:27.43 | Vib3 | needed to compile java software that needed it to compile libusb |
| 21:28.10 | szopeen | no, tried with ubuntu armel version of it? |
| 21:28.29 | szopeen | for libs they seem quite compatible |
| 21:28.52 | Vib3 | nope |
| 21:29.30 | Vib3 | szopeen: got this while trying to compile it -> http://pastebin.com/jq6vA2VX |
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| 21:32.56 | Vib3 | szopeen: moved one directory so now space, that program was good to show storage usage, thx! |
| 21:35.46 | szopeen | just don't move anything critical for bootin |
| 21:36.06 | szopeen | microb engine is a few mb rootfs saver |
| 21:36.17 | Vib3 | had that ztex directory in /root :p |
| 21:36.22 | szopeen | but /usr/bin lib or etc should mostly remain untouched |
| 21:36.26 | Vib3 | it filled it |
| 21:36.28 | szopeen | sounds safe |
| 21:36.43 | Vib3 | k, yea |
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| 21:38.54 | Vib3 | still not enough space :o |
| 21:39.02 | Vib3 | how much does that update need? |
| 21:39.19 | szopeen | what update? |
| 21:39.32 | Vib3 | MAemo 5 21.2011.38-1.002 |
| 21:39.38 | Vib3 | MAemo 5 21.2011.38-1.002 |
| 21:40.45 | szopeen | hmm, sounds like the 1.3.1 update |
| 21:40.50 | szopeen | shouldn't be a lot |
| 21:41.10 | Vib3 | seems more than 27M |
| 21:41.35 | szopeen | wait |
| 21:42.39 | szopeen | if it is 1.3.1 it should be less than 500kb |
| 21:42.51 | szopeen | what version are you running? |
| 21:43.21 | Vib3 | 20.2010.36-2 |
| 21:44.12 | szopeen | yeah, that's 1.3 |
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| 21:44.25 | Vib3 | yea |
| 21:44.56 | ioan | hi. Is there a way to install the previous version of kernel-power to overwrite the latest version? |
| 21:45.23 | szopeen | use nokia kernel icon reboot couple of times, install older |
| 21:45.55 | Vib3 | hmm but it doesn't fix any wlan things szopeen, so its not useful even |
| 21:46.08 | szopeen | nope |
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| 21:46.16 | szopeen | what wlan probs do you have? |
| 21:46.31 | Vib3 | that wlan thing might be problem caused my pwnphone |
| 21:46.50 | Vib3 | 00:13 < Vib3> but my wlan is not working correctly, disconnects wlan |
| 21:46.54 | Vib3 | 00:13 < Vib3> but my wlan is not working correctly, disconnects wlan |
| 21:47.02 | Vib3 | 00:13 < Vib3> can keep n900 in wlan if I ping something from n900 |
| 21:47.02 | Vib3 | 00:13 < Vib3> then it starts working again |
| 21:47.29 | szopeen | tried pwnphone forum(if they have one) |
| 21:47.31 | szopeen | ? |
| 21:47.48 | Sicelo | Vib3: also try to disable wifi power-saving |
| 21:47.54 | szopeen | maybe autodisconnect widget? |
| 21:48.18 | szopeen | quite a few candidates for the troublemaker with so little info |
| 21:49.23 | Vib3 | no autodisconnect |
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| 21:50.55 | Vib3 | hmmm checking about that wifi power-saving |
| 21:52.28 | Vib3 | it was on maximum |
| 21:52.32 | Vib3 | turning it off |
| 21:52.45 | ioan | szopeen, I installed the nokia kernel, now how do I get it to install the prev. vers of kernel-power? |
| 21:53.13 | szopeen | after nokia kernel reboot (twice?) |
| 21:53.30 | szopeen | check with uname -a you have stock, then download version you want |
| 21:53.35 | szopeen | and install |
| 21:53.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | Vib3: that's known problem with PSM@max and crappy APN |
| 21:54.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | szopeen: not needed |
| 21:55.02 | Vib3 | ok, testing how it works now |
| 21:55.05 | Vib3 | thx guys! |
| 21:55.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | just install the desired version via apt |
| 21:55.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | directly over the deprecated one |
| 21:55.56 | szopeen | no need to nokia kernel revert anymore? |
| 21:56.03 | szopeen | good news |
| 21:56.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | apt-get install pkg=version or sth |
| 21:56.45 | Vib3 | DocScrutinizer51: on my other n900 maximum works fine |
| 21:57.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | pk22, pk22-modules, pk22-flasher, IIRC |
| 21:57.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | Vib3: that's strange |
| 21:58.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe on your other N900 you goot some app or widget that hogs WLAN |
| 21:58.38 | Vib3 | I will test it more if it really works fine |
| 21:58.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | so you got sth similar to ping |
| 21:59.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | N900 with same PSM setting should behave similar on same AP |
| 22:00.18 | Vib3 | k |
| 22:01.10 | Vib3 | why phone number isn't hidden if calling from dbus even its really set hidden? :p |
| 22:01.19 | Vib3 | tested that some time.. |
| 22:02.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | the hidden is a cmd to modem to be done each time you dial |
| 22:02.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | simply lead in number by "#31#" |
| 22:03.04 | Vib3 | yea so it can't be done with dbus? |
| 22:03.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | get starhash-enabler to amke that work |
| 22:03.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | HAH, merlin1991 we should get 'starhash' into cssu |
| 22:04.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | after all it's just a saner setting of a config |
| 22:04.50 | Vib3 | ok, I will try it |
| 22:05.03 | merlin1991 | is that config part of a package we *can* replace? |
| 22:06.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | echo "ussd=yes" >>somefile |
| 22:06.54 | Vib3 | now to sleep, bye! |
| 22:07.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | bye |
| 22:08.53 | merlin1991 | hm can I abuse to get diff compare directories without looking at files? |
| 22:09.01 | merlin1991 | diff -rq still looks at the files |
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| 22:10.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | you'll need auxiliary ls and storage |
| 22:10.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | preferably named pipes |
| 22:11.03 | merlin1991 | that sounsd a lil complicated to just get a list of file names for 2 slightly out of sync dirs :D |
| 22:11.17 | merlin1991 | any other idea what I could use in order to get that list? |
| 22:11.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | use mc ;D |
| 22:12.34 | merlin1991 | hm no mc here :D |
| 22:12.52 | merlin1991 | there's got to be an easy to use tool for such a thing :D |
| 22:13.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | tzzz,INSTALL IT!! |
| 22:14.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | or get dirdiff |
| 22:15.38 | merlin1991 | damn |
| 22:15.50 | merlin1991 | can't diff between 2 ls -Rl |
| 22:16.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | why not? |
| 22:16.23 | merlin1991 | one drive reports folders as size 0 |
| 22:16.29 | merlin1991 | the other as size 4069 |
| 22:16.34 | merlin1991 | er 4096 |
| 22:16.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, diff isn't exactly simple for dirs |
| 22:17.22 | merlin1991 | though why on earth would one drive call folders size 4096 and the other one 0 |
| 22:17.27 | merlin1991 | both have the same filesystem |
| 22:17.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | do you want to know if same filename? if same size? date? |
| 22:17.46 | merlin1991 | filename |
| 22:18.00 | merlin1991 | basicly I need a list of what's missing in each others dir |
| 22:18.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | get MC |
| 22:18.20 | merlin1991 | one problem there, doing it in a msys shell on windows :D |
| 22:18.27 | szopeen | ls > smth and then diff smths? |
| 22:18.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 22:18.44 | merlin1991 | szopeen: it's not flat folders but trees |
| 22:18.53 | szopeen | use recursive |
| 22:18.58 | merlin1991 | so I need ls -l to have one file per line |
| 22:19.01 | merlin1991 | but then I have size |
| 22:19.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh |
| 22:19.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | ls -w 1 |
| 22:19.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | noob! ;-P |
| 22:19.58 | merlin1991 | ls -Rw 1 |
| 22:19.59 | merlin1991 | yay |
| 22:20.01 | merlin1991 | thanks for that one |
| 22:20.04 | merlin1991 | didn't know it :) |
| 22:21.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | yw :D |
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| 22:22.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | find |
| 22:22.27 | merlin1991 | too easy ;) |
| 22:23.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | btw diff or cmp has an option for that too |
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| 22:26.17 | DocScrutinizer | nope, scratch that |
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| 22:27.49 | szopeen | btw maemo could use a proper mc build |
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| 22:28.33 | DocScrutinizer | find /a/ -exec "test -a {} || echo {}" |
| 22:28.45 | DocScrutinizer | find /a/ -exec "test -a {} || echo /b/{}" |
| 22:28.47 | szopeen | fact that opening archives suddenly tries to look in /scratchbox/... is a joke :( |
| 22:29.11 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 22:29.19 | DocScrutinizer | szopeen: please elaborate |
| 22:29.23 | szopeen | tgz work fine |
| 22:29.47 | szopeen | but other compression formats often look into /sb dir of the builder |
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| 22:29.57 | szopeen | something wasn't compiled correctly |
| 22:30.11 | DocScrutinizer | I'm using N900 mc via ssh on my laptop, and I sometimes even forget I'm actually on the phone |
| 22:31.08 | DocScrutinizer | seems it works absolutely identical to x86 mc |
| 22:31.13 | szopeen | well python errors show up quite often when playing with compressed files |
| 22:31.30 | DocScrutinizer | python errors????? |
| 22:31.35 | szopeen | extfs happens to cry foul |
| 22:31.40 | szopeen | python reported |
| 22:31.45 | szopeen | not python based |
| 22:31.56 | szopeen | see post 46 in midnight commander thread |
| 22:32.02 | szopeen | 21657 |
| 22:32.32 | szopeen | symlinking /usr/bin as /scratchbox/tools helps |
| 22:32.45 | DocScrutinizer | no such dir on my phone |
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| 22:34.40 | DocScrutinizer | strings `which mc`|grep scratch -> <null> |
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| 22:36.24 | DocScrutinizer | strings `which mc`|grep pyt -> <null> |
| 22:36.44 | szopin_ | talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1063477&postcount=46 |
| 22:38.46 | szopin_ | zips are still slow as hell but at least work with this fix |
| 22:40.00 | DocScrutinizer | never encountered any such problem |
| 22:40.42 | szopin_ | your mc opens zip/deb/rar/7z straight from install? |
| 22:41.39 | szopin_ | pretty sure on fresh flash it spews a lot of python: blah blahs in a red background |
| 22:41.51 | szopin_ | this is one workaround |
| 22:42.00 | szopin_ | (still need to install uncompressors) |
| 22:43.35 | DocScrutinizer | I thought it's about .tgz |
| 22:43.45 | szopin_ | tgz work out of the box |
| 22:43.59 | DocScrutinizer | well, I never noticed any problem |
| 22:44.00 | szopin_ | other methods are scratchboxlinked |
| 22:44.18 | szopin_ | which is why i mentioned need for proper mc packaging |
| 22:44.19 | DocScrutinizer | maybe because I have no friggin .zip |
| 22:44.27 | szopin_ | rar? deb? |
| 22:44.33 | szopin_ | 7z? |
| 22:44.46 | szopin_ | xarchiver is cool and all, commandline works too |
| 22:44.56 | szopin_ | but mc is just too awesome to not use it |
| 22:45.02 | DocScrutinizer | deb work fine for all I know |
| 22:45.07 | szopin_ | especially just to f3 a file froma big archive |
| 22:45.22 | szopin_ | use it all the time |
| 22:45.31 | szopin_ | even arj would work |
| 22:45.39 | szopin_ | but maemo seems to have forgotten this |
| 22:45.46 | szopin_ | (me too in fact) |
| 22:46.03 | szopin_ | was the craze 10 or so yrs ago |
| 22:46.19 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe some fool messed up the plugins |
| 22:46.37 | szopin_ | on-device mc compiling didn't work for me |
| 22:46.48 | szopin_ | main reason got to installing sb |
| 22:46.58 | szopin_ | still need to sit at it |
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