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| 04:43.17 | Sicelo | I installed u-boot (Pali's version), and i could only boot stock kernel, instead of KP49 i had before.. now device doesn't even boot at all - but gets stuck at 'Booting kernel..." state. any suggestions? |
| 04:44.53 | Sicelo | besides using NIN101's RescueOS |
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| 05:27.59 | loz` | hello |
| 05:28.46 | loz` | i installed backupmenu from devel, and now phone doesnt start now =\ |
| 05:30.37 | loz` | ok, after i get out / insert battery it starts |
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| 06:29.49 | Sicelo | :) |
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| 07:01.04 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder what you're doing |
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| 07:04.19 | Sicelo | me? |
| 07:05.27 | DocScrutinizer | yes, you too |
| 07:05.48 | DocScrutinizer | you're aware that uboot and kernel form a compound |
| 07:05.50 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 07:06.38 | DocScrutinizer | and you're aware that kernel and modules in rootfs have to match? |
| 07:07.38 | Sicelo | yeah.. i installed quite carefully according to Pali's instructions |
| 07:07.44 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 07:07.55 | Sicelo | i guess i'm one of the unlucky ones with 2204 hw revisions |
| 07:08.56 | DocScrutinizer | so "i could only boot stock kernel, instead of KP49 i had before" actually means when you prepared a uboot+kernel compount with kp49, it fauled? |
| 07:09.12 | DocScrutinizer | and when you did same with stock kernel, it worked? |
| 07:09.44 | Sicelo | Pali provides an image with all kernels (in /boot .. and the corresponding bootmenu entries) |
| 07:09.57 | Sicelo | so i didn't have to do any configuring on my part |
| 07:10.14 | DocScrutinizer | errr |
| 07:10.29 | Sicelo | but only stock booted at first. now i just get stuck at uboot screen |
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| 07:11.20 | DocScrutinizer | still every kernel yu boot *needs* matching modules |
| 07:11.35 | freemangordon | Sicelo, my second n900 is 2204, NP with u-boot |
| 07:11.39 | Sicelo | the modules are still there |
| 07:13.06 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: the MATCHING modules, not a random selection of any modules |
| 07:13.27 | DocScrutinizer | kp49 needs modules built for kp49 |
| 07:13.35 | Sicelo | i mean kp49 modules |
| 07:13.39 | Sicelo | i have them |
| 07:14.17 | Sicelo | i wonder if there's some way to 'override' uboot |
| 07:14.39 | freemangordon | use flasher to flash only the kernel |
| 07:14.57 | DocScrutinizer | if you have one or two bad blocks too much in NAND, the space in kernel mtd partition might simply be too small |
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| 07:17.06 | DocScrutinizer | this is not related to hw-rev |
| 07:17.31 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, actually there were times it was IIRC |
| 07:17.50 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 07:17.53 | freemangordon | but yeah, not now |
| 07:18.15 | freemangordon | I remember titan had hard times with KP45 and u-boot |
| 07:18.29 | Sicelo | Fabry too http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=48410 |
| 07:18.44 | DocScrutinizer | sure, so what? |
| 07:19.27 | Sicelo | nothing DocScrutinizer. just mentioning |
| 07:19.43 | DocScrutinizer | I'm just saying there are other specific properties of the particular device than hw-revision |
| 07:19.53 | Sicelo | i hve been wanting to flash device for a while now.. maybe this is the opportunity :/ |
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| 07:21.57 | DocScrutinizer | and the problem of size(kp)+size(uboot)>free(kernel_mtd) is not new at all |
| 07:23.26 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure you even get a notice or warning when the "kernel" image you want to flash is >free_in_nand |
| 07:23.47 | DocScrutinizer | probably not even without any bad blocks |
| 07:24.17 | DocScrutinizer | i.e. when your kernel img is larger than _nominal_ size of kernel partition |
| 07:24.54 | DocScrutinizer | probably kernel gets simply truncated at end |
| 07:25.13 | DocScrutinizer | up to you too figure the results |
| 07:25.23 | DocScrutinizer | s/too/to/ |
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| 07:29.17 | DocScrutinizer | on the bright side: initrd partition is unused and directly follows kernel partition. So we _could_ ignore partition size resp repartition for larger kernel and smaller initrd partition |
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| 07:29.58 | DocScrutinizer | alas partitions are hardcoded to flasher afaik |
| 07:31.02 | DocScrutinizer | and to NOLO, and to uBoot, and to kernel - I guess |
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| 07:41.04 | Sicelo | btw / is on which /dev node? |
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| 08:01.26 | merlin1991 | Sicelo: ubi0:rootfs |
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| 08:03.34 | Sicelo | thanks merlin1991 :) |
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| 08:07.33 | Macer | wow |
| 08:07.51 | Macer | with no widgets my damn n900 is lasting like 4x longer on a charge |
| 08:07.53 | Macer | wth? |
| 08:08.18 | joga | are you surprised? |
| 08:08.20 | Macer | i figured widgets would stop running once the screen was turned off |
| 08:08.31 | MohammadAG | Obviously if a widget is polling for data or using a lot of CPU then it'll use up battery |
| 08:08.32 | joga | but they gotta deliver you the news and so on |
| 08:08.33 | Macer | sort of yes |
| 08:08.40 | MohammadAG | Depends how the widget is coded |
| 08:08.44 | joga | (and some widgets are plain crap) |
| 08:08.50 | MohammadAG | Maemo doesnt suspend anything as an OS |
| 08:08.54 | joga | there was some egg timer thingy that hogged 100% cpu and was crap anyway |
| 08:08.58 | Macer | that sucks |
| 08:09.01 | MohammadAG | That's android |
| 08:09.05 | joga | oh |
| 08:09.15 | Macer | can the widgets bemade to stop polling data when the screen is off? |
| 08:09.29 | joga | configure them to poll every hour instead of every 15min |
| 08:09.37 | MohammadAG | Obviously they shouldn't be polling dat |
| 08:09.38 | MohammadAG | A |
| 08:09.40 | Macer | 1/4th the life is a little out there :) |
| 08:09.50 | Macer | heh |
| 08:10.05 | MohammadAG | This is why iOS suspends apps in the background |
| 08:10.14 | Macer | lol |
| 08:10.19 | Macer | fair enough |
| 08:10.25 | MohammadAG | And doesn't have widgets |
| 08:10.38 | Macer | maybe something cssu can fix... suspending widgets during sleep |
| 08:10.40 | Macer | :) |
| 08:10.45 | MohammadAG | Not really |
| 08:10.50 | Macer | damn |
| 08:10.52 | Macer | ah well |
| 08:10.54 | MohammadAG | Ask devs to fix their widgets |
| 08:10.59 | script | I fixed the USB of my N900 thanks to awesome documentation :) just in case anyone is interested: http://dmidv.de/articles/11/thanks-for-the-fuse-nokia-or-how-to-fix-your-n900 |
| 08:11.01 | Macer | lol |
| 08:11.05 | MohammadAG | Fixing it at a higher level would be dumb |
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| 08:11.32 | Macer | a power down api? |
| 08:11.36 | Macer | :) |
| 08:11.41 | loz` | hello again |
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| 08:12.25 | loz` | while installing cssu, i had problems with proxy and canceled console installation |
| 08:12.41 | Macer | uh oh... did the n900 explode? |
| 08:12.44 | Macer | :) |
| 08:13.46 | loz` | and now i'm trying to reinstall CSSU, but menu item doesnt' appear again =\ |
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| 08:16.04 | loz` | Macer: any way to run installation again? |
| 08:16.08 | MohammadAG | sudo install-community-ssu loz` |
| 08:17.28 | MohammadAG | If it says it's already installed |
| 08:17.36 | loz` | hm |
| 08:17.47 | MohammadAG | dpkg -r mp-fremantle-community-pr |
| 08:17.47 | loz` | as root, says command not fount |
| 08:17.50 | loz` | *found |
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| 08:18.08 | Sicelo | is kinda tired of this u-boot issue.. booting Debian for now.. |
| 08:19.05 | loz` | MohammadAG: says it removed, should i try again from beginning? |
| 08:19.09 | MohammadAG | dpkg -r mp-fremantle-community-pr; apt-get --reinstall install community-ssu-enabler |
| 08:19.16 | MohammadAG | Run that as root |
| 08:19.20 | loz` | ok |
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| 08:21.48 | loz` | just to clarify situation - does gui network proxy settings affect console apps? |
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| 08:24.07 | StyXman | loz`: most probably no, but check the envvars |
| 08:24.27 | StyXman | there must be a http_proxy envvar defined |
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| 08:24.35 | StyXman | most CLI apps take the froxy from there |
| 08:24.54 | loz` | ok, but menu icon runs terminal installation |
| 08:25.11 | loz` | so there should i define env proxy vars? |
| 08:25.16 | loz` | *where |
| 08:26.58 | StyXman | loz`: if you want to define them system wide... |
| 08:27.13 | MohammadAG | Read https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11915 |
| 08:27.14 | povbot | 04Bug 11915: Community SSU script doesn't work if you are behind a proxy |
| 08:27.29 | loz` | >_< |
| 08:27.43 | MohammadAG | It has a solution |
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| 08:28.35 | loz` | ok, i see |
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| 08:28.37 | MohammadAG | If you can type the server again I'd suggest using the method in the first post rather than the one using gcobf |
| 08:28.39 | MohammadAG | Gconf |
| 08:29.20 | loz` | well, i already exported vars, so |
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| 08:32.17 | MohammadAG | Wonder if we should patch busybox to these vars from gconf |
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| 08:38.08 | loz` | ok, looks like downloading working |
| 08:38.16 | loz` | thanks everybody :) |
| 08:40.27 | teotwaki | sup maemo |
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| 08:57.04 | MohammadAG | loz`: You're welcome :) |
| 08:58.12 | ErwinJunge | I've got a weird application install/upgrade issue. It's complaining about not having enough memory, while I'm pretty sure there should be plenty. rootfs has 63.7MB and opt has 514MB free space. I searched tmo but didn't find any solutions. Any ideas? |
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| 09:01.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | there's a silly equation in HAM do determine what's 'enough free space', sth along soizeof(/home)/8 |
| 09:01.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | ErwinJunge: see latest CSSU changelogs |
| 09:01.39 | StyXman | DocScrutinizer51: would fam be a workaround? |
| 09:01.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | fam is deprecated in my book |
| 09:02.23 | StyXman | aha? any particular reason? |
| 09:02.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | but probably yes, it shouldn't have same silly test |
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| 09:03.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes, it's missing a lot of special tings HAM does. Not all of those are as silly as this test |
| 09:03.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | afk, bbl |
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| 09:06.27 | ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer51: What am I looking for in the changelogs? |
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| 09:39.30 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer51, ping |
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| 10:45.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | pong |
| 10:47.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | ErwinJunge: sorry cant check right now, mobile ;) |
| 10:48.27 | ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer51: No problem, have had this issue for about 2 weeks now and didn't bother to look further until now, so not really in a hurry :) |
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| 10:49.13 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer51, hmm, would you happen to know if lets say you set n9 to openmode (this is with pr1.1 specifically). Are you able to restore backups that you made prior to installing openmode? |
| 10:49.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry |
| 10:50.13 | psycho_oreos | I guess no, ah well thanks anyway :) |
| 10:50.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.29 | psycho_oreos | yeah I'm there, gonna ask them I suppose |
| 10:51.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | afaik the backup format changed |
| 10:52.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | seem to recall a note of this in nokia pr12 changelog |
| 10:52.17 | psycho_oreos | yeah I would imagine nokia wouldn't let certain things stay the same way if and when such things that bypasses security/DRM has been pulicised |
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| 10:52.38 | psycho_oreos | ahh so in other words pr1.1 shouldn't be affected I suppose |
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| 11:05.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | psycho_oreos: maybe was PR1.1 changelog |
| 11:06.13 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer51, if that were the case you're now scaring a potential pr1.1 openmode user away :D |
| 11:06.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway changelog is the palce you wanna visit |
| 11:06.52 | psycho_oreos | though it may not affect me severely but I'd be happy if I could simply restore and go from there rather than starting from ground up |
| 11:06.56 | psycho_oreos | nods |
| 11:07.16 | psycho_oreos | yeah I'll have to look into that, lemme guess its on your site? where you hosted that openmode kernel? |
| 11:07.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | prolly not |
| 11:07.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | at official nokia download site |
| 11:07.57 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/27/apple_nokia_sim/ |
| 11:08.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | I guess you could find it *inside* OCF images as well ;) |
| 11:09.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | if you know how to find *anything* in there |
| 11:09.39 | psycho_oreos | hmm nokia download site, gonna have to dig it up |
| 11:09.49 | psycho_oreos | yeah, I　can imagine its a mess as usual lol |
| 11:10.03 | psycho_oreos | obfusication is their goal, nothing new :D |
| 11:10.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | compressed rootfs img |
| 11:10.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | not meant to search for files there |
| 11:11.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway OT here |
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| 11:12.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | see /topic in #harmattan |
| 11:13.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | has link where changelog will bite you |
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| 11:16.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | lunch break over, bbl |
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| 11:21.46 | psycho_oreos | thanks for the info DocScrutinizer51 :D |
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| 14:42.54 | pa | hi |
| 14:45.58 | pa | how did people use to compile apps using mce-dev? |
| 14:47.21 | merlin1991 | why do you need mce? |
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| 14:47.33 | pa | i want to write a toggle for the wlan |
| 14:47.52 | Sicelo | Pali: ping |
| 14:48.02 | pa | i've been told i can do that with mce |
| 14:48.19 | merlin1991 | usually you would compile in scratchbox |
| 14:48.24 | Pali | Sicelo: ping |
| 14:48.27 | Pali | pong |
| 14:48.48 | pa | ah i see, so i cant do that in qtcreator, right? |
| 14:48.49 | Sicelo | i seem to have made a mess of uboot :/ |
| 14:49.01 | Sicelo | i can't boot into maemo |
| 14:49.09 | pa | then i'll try to set it up |
| 14:49.10 | merlin1991 | well you can if you find the right packages to fill in to madde |
| 14:49.21 | merlin1991 | though setting up scratchbox is probably easier |
| 14:49.29 | pa | does it work on windows? |
| 14:49.38 | Pali | Sicelo, do you flashed combined image? |
| 14:49.40 | merlin1991 | no :/ |
| 14:49.54 | pa | ok, thanks :) |
| 14:50.11 | pa | so, also for mce api, i can find those headers only inside the scratchbox, right? |
| 14:50.20 | merlin1991 | yes |
| 14:50.25 | pa | and i assume they are not documented anywhere |
| 14:50.34 | merlin1991 | maybe on wiki.maemo.org |
| 14:50.43 | pa | ah thanks , i can check |
| 14:50.43 | Sicelo | Pali: i had bootmenu.. then installed uboot, and the images supplied. stock kernel would boot fine, and kp49 wouldnt. no even stock doesn't wrok |
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| 14:51.35 | Sicelo | i don't mind a reflash, if absolutely needed, but i doubt so :/ |
| 14:52.03 | Pali | Sicelo, you need to reflash only kernel image, if you something broke... |
| 14:52.16 | Pali | but I think you should boot stock kernel without problem |
| 14:52.19 | Pali | (Nolo Boot) |
| 14:52.50 | Pali | stock kernel image is attached to u-boot binary, so booting should work |
| 14:53.36 | Sicelo | i'll retry at home... for now it just shows Booting kernel.. and shuts down in a few minutes |
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| 16:47.11 | Sicelo | with this command, no luck yet, flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20\[1\].2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=kernel -f |
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| 16:52.02 | Sicelo | looks like i'll end up having to perform a real flash |
| 16:53.05 | Sicelo | just stays on white NOKIA screen .. then shuts down after a while |
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| 16:57.44 | Sicelo | beautiful.. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1181681&postcount=2 .. i bricked it :( |
| 16:59.25 | Sicelo | boots into debian to charge device for a while and copy important stuff out of it first |
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| 17:11.36 | Sicelo | NIN101: ping |
| 17:11.48 | NIN101 | Sicelo: pong |
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| 17:12.49 | Sicelo | quick question.. resueOS has option to enable usb networking. how is one to use it, as there'res no ssh server supplied? |
| 17:13.07 | Sicelo | sorry for spelling =( |
| 17:13.30 | NIN101 | telnetd |
| 17:13.54 | Sicelo | ah :) |
| 17:14.40 | Sicelo | i think i'll do my 'rescue' work in debian though.. just need my configs in /etc mostly |
| 17:15.34 | Sicelo | i suppose i fscked up somewhere with u-boot :/ |
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| 17:17.06 | NIN101 | :-) |
| 17:18.41 | Sicelo | yeah. seems flasher is safest way to play with kernels after all :/ |
| 17:20.18 | NIN101 | yep. |
| 17:20.29 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: bootmenu is absolutely unrelated, I'd say |
| 17:21.03 | DocScrutinizer | as that happens after booting into rootfs of maemo |
| 17:21.06 | Sicelo | and, yes, great s/w is RescueOS tanks :) |
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| 17:26.26 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer: i must say i don't fully understand how the 'latest' version of u-boot works.. but aiui this one is tied in with bootmenu, and is advertised as such |
| 17:27.12 | DocScrutinizer | uboot is a chainloaded bootloader much like uBoot, or grub |
| 17:27.27 | DocScrutinizer | s/uBoot/NOLO/ |
| 17:28.05 | DocScrutinizer | bootmenu for all I know is a set of scripts executed during sysinit |
| 17:28.53 | DocScrutinizer | yup, fanoush's bootmenu |
| 17:29.02 | Sicelo | yes. and i've been using bootmenu all along, with backupmenu mostly. |
| 17:29.05 | DocScrutinizer | my memory was right |
| 17:29.28 | DocScrutinizer | so again, uBoot and bootmenu are different universe |
| 17:30.02 | Sicelo | latest u-boot seems to make them neighbors though |
| 17:30.09 | DocScrutinizer | one is loading and starting the kernel, the other is executed by kernel |
| 17:30.22 | DocScrutinizer | harly |
| 17:30.28 | DocScrutinizer | hardly |
| 17:31.10 | DocScrutinizer | I guess you're mixing up things |
| 17:34.42 | Sicelo | i know you rightly don't click random links.. but check out this one -- http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 |
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| 18:20.01 | szop|afk | StyXman: fapman will be a workaround, it downloads to opt, ham uses rootfs, so if package installed size >= 0.5rootfs free space is a no go |
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| 18:21.10 | StyXman | heeh |
| 18:21.28 | szop|afk | fapman checks claimed size vs free rootfs |
| 18:21.29 | szop|afk | sorry, ham claimed size + dl has to be < free rootfs |
| 18:21.29 | szop|afk | at least it seems so |
| 18:23.10 | szop|afk | would be nice addition to fap/ham to count optified files, though no idea how to achieve that before download |
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| 18:24.28 | szop|afk | then even claimed size is usually lot slower if no optification took place thanks to compressiononthego on root |
| 18:24.34 | szop|afk | lower* |
| 18:26.10 | szop|afk | slower too i guess |
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| 18:44.40 | szop|afk | anyone used instinctiv to id song successfully? |
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| 18:56.44 | szop|afk | I'll take that as a no |
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| 19:58.44 | ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer51: If you're still here: what did you want me to look at in the cssu changelogs? (regarding the application memory full but really not full problem I have) |
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| 20:13.02 | Echtor2oo3 | hello, where can i find "udef.h"? any idea? |
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| 20:22.25 | andre__ | Echtor2oo3, providing more context would be highly welcome. |
| 20:23.27 | Echtor2oo3 | i try to compile wolf:ET on meamo... the compiler says "udef.h no such file.." |
| 20:23.32 | andre__ | on my desktop computer it is located under /usr/src/debug/libcdio-0.82/include/cdio/udf.h |
| 20:23.49 | Echtor2oo3 | udef.h =) |
| 20:23.54 | andre__ | argh |
| 20:24.06 | andre__ | so much for my reading skills tonight :) |
| 20:24.20 | Echtor2oo3 | google cant help... just some bsd links :/ |
| 20:24.26 | DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: ask merlin1991 or freemangordon or Pali |
| 20:24.28 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 20:24.50 | DocScrutinizer | I think 2 of the 3 were discussing the issue |
| 20:26.33 | Pali | I never heard about udef.h... |
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| 20:27.53 | ErwinJunge | Ok, let's start with Pali: I have a weird issue where HAM says that I don't have enough memory, but I have 66MB rootfs and 500+MB opt left. Any ideas? |
| 20:29.28 | Echtor2oo3 | argh... error: .../../etmain/ui/men\nudef.h not found xD damn |
| 20:29.33 | ErwinJunge | Echtor2oo3: wolf:ET? Is that even remotely a possibility performancewise? |
| 20:30.28 | Echtor2oo3 | ErwinJunge: its just a test, quake3 works on the n900... why not ET? |
| 20:31.07 | Echtor2oo3 | i read about 30-60 frames on q3 :P |
| 20:31.21 | ErwinJunge | I tried to get a Quake1 derivative (DarkPlaces) working a long time ago, couldn't get it above 7fps :) But admittedly it was a bit half-assed. I guess that if you actually know what you're doing you could get it to work. |
| 20:32.17 | Echtor2oo3 | ErwinJunge: google, there lots of topics about quake3 on the n900 |
| 20:33.20 | ErwinJunge | Does wolf:ET use the q3 engine? |
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| 20:34.10 | Pali | bug in HAM |
| 20:34.19 | Pali | you need to have 8% free space in /home |
| 20:34.38 | Pali | else HAM show that stupid message |
| 20:34.43 | Echtor2oo3 | ErwinJunge: yes... thats why i rty it |
| 20:35.49 | ErwinJunge | Pali: That is extremely funny and a very simple solution (assuming it works, I'll try in a bit). Is this something that can be fixed in the CSSU? |
| 20:36.37 | Echtor2oo3 | i know it works... but i cant code something myself... i hope it works with compilig the source >_> |
| 20:37.15 | ErwinJunge | Seems to be the likely cause, I'm at 93% usage. Stupid bug though, with my 8G /home this already starts to happen at over 500MB free space :( |
| 20:38.11 | ErwinJunge | Echtor2oo3: Good luck, I hope it works better than my quick try with DarkPlaces did :) Getting something to work at all is always fun though. |
| 20:45.11 | ErwinJunge | Pali: Thanks, it works again now :) |
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| 20:53.46 | Echtor2oo3 | ErwinJunge: i fix the error, wolfET is still compiling :D |
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| 22:01.21 | Macer | well.. i sure am glad with those widgets gone the n900 lasts as long as it does now |
| 22:01.32 | Macer | it felt kind of wrong having it die every 12 hours or so lol |
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| 22:53.59 | BCMM | is there a way to change the X11 gamma setting on the n900? |
| 22:54.32 | BCMM | i've tried with xrandr (using X11 forwarding since the binary appears to not be packaged) and it does nothing with no error |
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| 23:32.41 | Macer | lol |
| 23:32.43 | Macer | debtest |
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