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| 06:00.25 | Macer | hm |
| 06:00.39 | Macer | anybody have any information on the best way to put debian or some other variant of linux onto an n810? |
| 06:00.43 | Macer | i' going to use it as a "box" |
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| 06:47.50 | robbiethe1st | Macer: Um, chroot? |
| 07:40.10 | Macer | no |
| 07:40.14 | Macer | bare metal |
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| 09:20.20 | andre__ | thinks of closing all open enhancement requests against official Maemo5 in bugs.maemo.org as WONTFIX |
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| 09:48.41 | pdanek | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin |
| 09:48.48 | pdanek | which one is UK and which on Global image? |
| 09:51.13 | psycho_oreos | global is the first one |
| 09:51.28 | psycho_oreos | I'm sure its mentioned on that firmware downloads page |
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| 10:17.02 | pdanek | thank you |
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| 10:27.45 | Ville- | again, some problems |
| 10:27.56 | Ville- | USB device found found at bus 001, device address 004. |
| 10:27.56 | Ville- | Raw data transfer EP found at EP2. |
| 10:27.56 | Ville- | Raw data transfer failed: Resource temporarily unavailable. |
| 10:28.02 | Ville- | then i tried EMMC flashing again |
| 10:28.05 | Ville- | SU_PREPARE_DATA_BLOCK_REQ terminated with error code 3. |
| 10:28.42 | psycho_oreos | it would have been more preferrable if you pasted that into pastebin |
| 10:28.56 | psycho_oreos | and which platform is that from? |
| 10:29.15 | Ville- | i'm now flashing it at linux system |
| 10:29.30 | Ville- | flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f |
| 10:29.33 | Ville- | that command |
| 10:29.40 | Ville- | let me get this thing to pastebin |
| 10:30.06 | Ville- | psycho_oreos: http://pastebin.fi/n9mMuHceHi |
| 10:30.36 | psycho_oreos | hmm |
| 10:30.46 | Ville- | http://discussions.support.ovi.com/t5/Maemo-and-MeeGo-Devices/Can-t-flash-VANILLA-PR-EMMC-N900/td-p/791637 |
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| 10:30.55 | Ville- | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7433 |
| 10:30.56 | povbot | 04Bug 7433: eMMC flash fails with "SU_GET_UPDATE_STATUS_REQ terminated with error code 1" on Mac OS X |
| 10:31.41 | Ville- | psycho_oreos, it transferred about 10% |
| 10:32.08 | Ville- | then it just did show up the error message |
| 10:32.55 | Ville- | it's still connected to the linux computer and it's in flashing mode |
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| 10:51.54 | Ville- | anyone? |
| 10:52.15 | Ville- | psycho_oreos, got any clue? |
| 10:52.24 | Ville- | should i flash it first with fiasco image? |
| 10:52.31 | Ville- | i'll try that |
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| 10:57.11 | Ville- | flashing currently with fiasco image |
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| 11:08.28 | ketas | i'm wondering why is that called fiasco |
| 11:08.58 | dm8tbr | tounge in cheek codenames/acronyms? |
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| 11:10.40 | ketas | no wonder flashing failed |
| 11:10.43 | ketas | :P |
| 11:10.54 | Ville- | works! |
| 11:11.49 | ketas | wasn't so fiasco thne |
| 11:11.51 | ketas | then |
| 11:11.56 | ketas | after all |
| 11:12.02 | Ville- | yeah |
| 11:12.21 | Ville- | it should be called as "FixFiasco" |
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| 11:19.00 | ColdFyre | hmm |
| 11:19.27 | ColdFyre | i think it's time to finally replace my n900 |
| 11:19.38 | ColdFyre | second phone and the usb port is breaking off |
| 11:21.26 | Ville- | coldfyre: take it to the nokia care |
| 11:21.30 | Ville- | they'll repair it |
| 11:21.43 | Ville- | n900 is the best thing what i have never bought |
| 11:22.15 | psycho_oreos | they won't repair it, they'll give you a symbian powered device |
| 11:22.43 | ColdFyre | idk, i don't mind buying a different phone |
| 11:22.54 | ColdFyre | i can't find anything hackable, though |
| 11:24.17 | ketas | that's correct, there are no phone found like n900 |
| 11:24.33 | psycho_oreos | and N900 isn't exactly a phone either :p |
| 11:25.13 | ketas | well it has 2g/3g radio |
| 11:25.15 | ketas | just |
| 11:25.16 | ketas | :P |
| 11:26.25 | ColdFyre | i guess i should rephrase, is anyone able to recommend a linux based phone/tablet that has GSM |
| 11:26.33 | ketas | actually nokia care can repair it for you |
| 11:26.39 | ColdFyre | i guess it could be android natively but flashed with some distro |
| 11:26.41 | ketas | if you really want |
| 11:26.55 | ketas | and if you pay |
| 11:27.23 | psycho_oreos | its technically called an internet tablet with phone functionality |
| 11:27.30 | ketas | at least here they repair phones too |
| 11:27.52 | psycho_oreos | ketas, visited the tmo forums lately? |
| 11:28.03 | ColdFyre | for me it's easier to buy a new device |
| 11:28.05 | ketas | tmo what? |
| 11:28.57 | ketas | ah that |
| 11:29.07 | ketas | damn acronyms |
| 11:29.14 | ketas | psycho_oreos: why? |
| 11:29.40 | psycho_oreos | ColdFyre, most android devices have locked bootloader which prevents one from natively booting up alternative linux distros. Nexus variants (Nexus, Nexus S for instance) have unlocked bootloader. There's work underway for a thing called hellaphone which bypasses dalvik vm but it only supports Nexus S for now |
| 11:30.55 | ColdFyre | _most_ |
| 11:31.08 | ColdFyre | also, i'm not looking at a branded phone |
| 11:31.10 | psycho_oreos | ketas, there are a few threads already with N900 owners having their devices replaced with a symbian phone. Out of those having their devices replaced a few managed to get a replacement N900 back but after mucking around with the justice system |
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| 11:31.36 | ketas | hmm |
| 11:31.41 | pdanek | when I reflashed my N900, issue with supl.nokia.com disappeared |
| 11:31.48 | pdanek | it works now with Nokia source |
| 11:31.49 | ketas | psycho_oreos: well i meant just repairing n900 in service |
| 11:32.09 | ketas | psycho_oreos: you can ask for that |
| 11:32.35 | psycho_oreos | ketas, I'm sure they won't do it, even if they do it, they probably won't do a good job on it |
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| 11:33.30 | ketas | psycho_oreos: how come |
| 11:33.55 | psycho_oreos | ketas, should check the tmo more regularly and you'll see what I mean |
| 11:34.23 | ketas | psycho_oreos: i mean that out local nokia service doesn't just replace components |
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| 11:35.23 | ketas | psycho_oreos: i might actually ask if they take in phones for such repairs |
| 11:36.18 | ketas | s/out/our/ |
| 11:36.25 | psycho_oreos | ketas, believe in whatever you want to believe in but to me nokia more or less disowned the idea of N900. I'm planning to get my USB port repaired by some other mob instead |
| 11:36.42 | psycho_oreos | for everything else there's always tmo threads |
| 11:38.57 | ketas | of course, you need to ask what you want them to do |
| 11:39.02 | psycho_oreos | ColdFyre, I personally don't think its too overly expensive if you got someone who can solder stuff properly to do it for you. If you can do it yourself it'll be even better. Your N900 still has got life in it before it becomes fully unusuable and whilst I'm not specifically suggesting that you should keep N900 as your main device, you should keep it as a linux pocket pc |
| 11:40.45 | ColdFyre | i have no problem with soldering, and tried but the connector is lifting off the pads. i just see this as a point where i should get a new device as a primary phone |
| 11:41.08 | ColdFyre | i have $ to burn, i might as well buy something high end/new |
| 11:41.28 | ketas | well the problem is that n900 has no replacement |
| 11:41.37 | ColdFyre | so i've seen |
| 11:41.42 | ketas | even your $$$ doesn't help |
| 11:41.53 | ColdFyre | i think in reality, i'll just need bash/vpnc/ssh on phone |
| 11:44.20 | ketas | and keyboard? |
| 11:44.34 | ColdFyre | it's a plus, but not mandatory |
| 11:45.02 | ColdFyre | i made due with the keyboard on the neo freerunner for 2 years |
| 11:49.37 | ketas | ColdFyre: the forums have instructions and points on pcb where you can get your usb signals... if you want to resolder connector back |
| 11:49.47 | ketas | :P |
| 11:50.18 | pdanek | Nokia service is still not accepting these USB connector faults? |
| 11:50.26 | pdanek | it's global issue of these phones right? |
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| 11:52.37 | psycho_oreos | Its definitely a global issue but I think nokia just did away with swapping out the entire boards. |
| 11:53.02 | pdanek | right |
| 11:53.15 | pdanek | as long as they swap it in warranty period |
| 11:53.19 | pdanek | I'm good with that |
| 11:53.24 | psycho_oreos | it was also only good until they've stopped manufacturing and that their stocks were running low. They since then have been replacing owner's N900 with some symbian crap |
| 11:53.32 | pdanek | luckily, this issue didn't happen in mine yet |
| 11:53.44 | pdanek | I see |
| 11:53.59 | psycho_oreos | like I said, there's tmo threads about it |
| 11:55.01 | pdanek | are you awar of the little metal plate in stylus hole? |
| 11:55.19 | pdanek | I'm not sure what is it's purpose, maybe to make a pressure to stylus |
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| 11:55.54 | psycho_oreos | never seen the metal plate let me guess, its at the far end of that hole, like the deepest end or close to it? |
| 11:56.17 | pdanek | no, it's in the start |
| 11:56.44 | pdanek | I suppose it was metal |
| 11:56.52 | psycho_oreos | ahh I never seen it |
| 11:57.04 | pdanek | maybe you can even see it I guess, but mine was released few months ago, and now it's is stick in the deepest end like you said |
| 11:57.27 | pdanek | so my stylus doesn't fit anymore, it is not inserted into the hole completely |
| 11:57.56 | pdanek | and sick of carrying my stylus alone in the bag, that's why I think about bringing to the service |
| 11:58.03 | pdanek | they can probably easily repair it |
| 11:58.13 | psycho_oreos | then again they probably won't |
| 11:58.19 | pdanek | heh |
| 11:58.32 | pdanek | well |
| 11:58.35 | psycho_oreos | there was also a tmo thread or two about the a/v jack being faulty as well |
| 11:58.46 | pdanek | then it's epic fail from Nokia? |
| 11:58.51 | pdanek | many N900 are still in warranty |
| 11:59.41 | psycho_oreos | not many N900 are left in nokia's stock and I'm sure not many people would want to spend excessive time arguing with nokia just to get their N900 back |
| 12:00.11 | ketas | can't you just ask what they should do with your phone? |
| 12:00.47 | pdanek | well before I leave it there, surely I will ask |
| 12:00.47 | psycho_oreos | if you haven't read the forums, nokia makes you sign some sort of agreement when you take your N900 in for a service |
| 12:00.57 | pdanek | ou |
| 12:01.00 | pdanek | shit |
| 12:01.07 | pdanek | in the short, what is it about? |
| 12:01.16 | pdanek | in short * |
| 12:01.50 | pdanek | the agreement |
| 12:01.58 | psycho_oreos | I don't know, it tells you what nokia can and can't do I suppose. I have never taken my N900 in for repairs. Though many N900 owners signed that and weren't happy when they were given some symbian phone |
| 12:02.24 | ketas | i'm going to mail service and ask if they repair n900's |
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| 12:16.56 | freemangordon | Pali, ping |
| 12:17.28 | Pali | freemangordon, pong |
| 12:18.15 | freemangordon | Pali, there are two patches in KP, I cannot understand what they are used for |
| 12:18.25 | freemangordon | just a minute |
| 12:18.33 | pdanek | KP? |
| 12:18.50 | Pali | KP is kernel-power |
| 12:18.59 | pdanek | y |
| 12:19.00 | pdanek | thx |
| 12:19.02 | freemangordon | Pali, first is block2mtd-yoush.diff |
| 12:19.16 | freemangordon | second is anti-io-stalling.diff |
| 12:19.55 | freemangordon | anti-io-stalling.diff, is a part of a much bigger patch which was proven to not solve desktop interactivity problem |
| 12:20.27 | freemangordon | and the first one I have NFC what exactly does and why we need it |
| 12:20.32 | freemangordon | any idea? |
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| 12:21.53 | ColdFyre | meh, i'm just going to buy a galaxy s2 or nexus |
| 12:24.02 | Pali | anti-io-stalling.diff is from https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=6578&group_id=1528&atid=5523 |
| 12:24.20 | Pali | https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12309 |
| 12:24.20 | povbot | 04Bug 12309: menu icon not graphical |
| 12:24.33 | Ville- | hmm, can't get cleven working |
| 12:24.41 | Ville- | always warns about incompatible kernel |
| 12:24.56 | NIN101 | then you are using an incompatible kernel... |
| 12:24.57 | Pali | shut up povbot |
| 12:25.01 | freemangordon | Pali, it took me 3 hour yesterday to read that bug report :) |
| 12:25.03 | psycho_oreos | I'd go with nexus out of those two phones, 1) nexus has unlocked bootloader, 2) my brother has galaxy sII and he didn't like the UI how certain widgets or whatever they are called freezes and he has to reset, but resetting would mean that all his saved preferences is gone and he'll need to sest it up again |
| 12:25.12 | Ville- | i have tried original omap1 kernel and power42 |
| 12:25.20 | Ville- | which one i need? |
| 12:25.35 | Pali | and about block2mtd-yoush.diff I have no idea, patch is from titan |
| 12:25.55 | freemangordon | but at the end this patch does not seem to solve anything. and the code we have in KP is just a part of the bigger patch |
| 12:26.31 | Pali | freemangordon, in last kp50 (also I think was in >= 46) is problem with musb/charging... |
| 12:26.42 | freemangordon | about block2mtd-yoush.diff - I googled for any similar thing, but there is nothing, I can't even find the author |
| 12:26.51 | Ville- | any suggestions for kernel compatible with cleven? |
| 12:27.08 | freemangordon | Pali, what is the problem, I don't have any issues |
| 12:27.31 | Pali | if I connect my n900 to notebook usb charging port (special usb port which charge when notebook is off) DATA transfter is off |
| 12:27.54 | Pali | but if I use stock n900 I can connect it in PC-Suite/Mass Storage mode |
| 12:28.00 | Pali | *stock kernel |
| 12:28.08 | freemangordon | aah, i see |
| 12:28.30 | Pali | n900 show only that charger is connected, not connected to PC |
| 12:28.33 | freemangordon | well, maybe we should ask some of the KP developers then for help :P |
| 12:28.56 | freemangordon | Pali, I can bet is is related to hostmode stuff |
| 12:29.03 | Pali | my idea is that this problem come from hostmode |
| 12:29.08 | freemangordon | yeah |
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| 12:29.35 | freemangordon | but i don't have laptop with dedicated charging port, so it is up to you |
| 12:29.43 | Pali | patch nokia-20103103+0m5_usb.diff was disabled in KP |
| 12:29.56 | Pali | because hostmode (maybe) |
| 12:30.07 | Pali | but is present in stock nokia |
| 12:30.19 | freemangordon | did you try pr1.2? |
| 12:30.32 | freemangordon | as this patch is from pr1.3 afaik |
| 12:31.08 | Pali | no I did not try pr1.2 kernel now |
| 12:31.40 | Pali | and I have other usb problems: n900 cannot work with my USB3.0 ports |
| 12:31.59 | Pali | I will check if this is only problem in KP, or also in stock kernel |
| 12:32.04 | freemangordon | ok |
| 12:32.28 | freemangordon | anyway, I am running out of time, bb for now |
| 12:32.32 | Pali | at least I remember that it worked last year (but I upgraded kernel on notebook - so problem can be also here) |
| 12:32.42 | Pali | ok |
| 12:32.47 | freemangordon | gtg |
| 12:33.34 | Pali | ping DocScrutinizer |
| 12:33.35 | Ville- | any suggestions? |
| 12:33.50 | Ville- | for kernel compatible with cleven |
| 12:34.06 | Pali | Ville-, no idea what is cleven |
| 12:34.15 | NIN101 | some supercool h4x0r aircrack gui. |
| 12:34.15 | Ville- | it's aircrack GUI for maemo |
| 12:34.36 | Ville- | ^ |
| 12:34.38 | Pali | I think you need packet injection wl1251 driver |
| 12:34.52 | Ville- | so have i to compile the whole kernel by myself? |
| 12:35.26 | Ville- | to get this packet injection driver |
| 12:35.34 | Pali | no, use precompiled packet injection driver |
| 12:35.40 | Ville- | hmm |
| 12:35.47 | Pali | see TMO thread about kp50 |
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| 12:45.02 | pdanek | question please |
| 12:45.50 | pdanek | for exchanged N900s, original IMEI of exchanged device, will disappear from this database after a while? |
| 12:45.50 | pdanek | http://www.numberingplans.com/?page=analysis&sub=imeinr |
| 12:46.23 | pdanek | meaning, Nokia cancels validity of IMEI, for replaced/exchanged devices? |
| 12:50.57 | netkat | Ville- i have the kernel for power user 50, and cleven works for me, but i still prefer aircrack and kismet |
| 12:51.57 | Ville- | netkat: okay |
| 12:52.42 | netkat | so you got it to work? |
| 12:52.47 | Ville- | nope |
| 12:52.58 | Ville- | just reflashed my phone and i need to install the powerkernel first |
| 12:55.14 | netkat | i dont recoll any problems with instalation, but i guess it has some bug, since when i stop cleven, the battery dies soon, so i guess some process still runs after the shut down, but i havent checked which |
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| 13:25.58 | William_Conquero | test |
| 13:26.32 | William_Conquero | hello |
| 13:27.20 | William_Conquero | can anyone reccomend me any good console ftp client for my device? (n900 under maemo 5) |
| 13:29.23 | William_Conquero | I can find only the next packages: http://paste.org.ru/?v8927g |
| 13:30.06 | William_Conquero | I have enabled the next repos: http://paste.org.ru/?ianz4a |
| 13:30.23 | dm8tbr | the first one sounds like _the_ ftp client, which is strictly CLI |
| 13:32.54 | William_Conquero | dm8tbr, of course but I found that the indicated are GUI and have no suitable CLI-command :-) |
| 13:33.03 | William_Conquero | That seems me so strange |
| 13:37.24 | dm8tbr | William_Conquero: you installed 'ftp'? and typing in 'ftp' doesn't do anything? |
| 13:39.43 | William_Conquero | dm8tbr, I tried some of them |
| 13:40.08 | dm8tbr | that doesn't answer my question. |
| 13:40.22 | William_Conquero | n900ftp is python-based and has no CLI-command http://paste.org.ru/?h2tf4n |
| 13:40.32 | dm8tbr | 13:37:24< dm8tbr> William_Conquero: you installed 'ftp'? and typing in 'ftp' doesn't do anything? |
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| 13:40.39 | William_Conquero | dm8tbr, I tried but it did not installed correctly |
| 13:42.27 | peetah | William_Conquero: apt-cache search ftp cli => ncftp |
| 13:44.29 | William_Conquero | peetah, I have the next result: http://paste.org.ru/?nmuwvt |
| 13:44.39 | William_Conquero | peetah, I tried it too |
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| 13:44.56 | William_Conquero | but I don't remember why I think that it is not good |
| 13:45.06 | William_Conquero | I'll try it now |
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| 13:45.46 | dm8tbr | aside from that I think midnight commander also supports ftp |
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| 14:02.59 | William_Conquero | dm8tbr, but mc works interactivly |
| 14:03.22 | William_Conquero | I need in ftp which can run from script |
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| 14:04.57 | William_Conquero | Probably it is possible to use /usr/bin/ncftp for it |
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| 15:12.24 | Timmy_ | i have improved performance of my n900 by creating a swap partition on a class 10 microSD card and disabling the internal swap. is this method mentioned somewhere? i mean in wiki |
| 15:16.22 | NIN101 | yes. |
| 15:17.25 | Timmy_ | ok, good |
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| 15:56.48 | DocScrutinizer | it's actually a rather good method |
| 15:57.25 | RST38h | moos |
| 15:57.45 | DocScrutinizer | but obviously has its pitfalls, e.g system crash when removing battery lid |
| 15:57.54 | DocScrutinizer | moo RST38h |
| 15:58.32 | RST38h | what is the blue box in this context? |
| 15:58.56 | DocScrutinizer | ~rl |
| 15:58.56 | infobot | from memory, rl is Real Life (the bad world out there), or known as the Big Blue Box (tm). Conways game using only rational numbers |
| 15:59.11 | RST38h | mghm |
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| 15:59.39 | DocScrutinizer | err, where's the context? |
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| 16:00.17 | DocScrutinizer | -ECHAN ? |
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| 20:24.06 | Macer | hm. my artigo just keeps crashing out on its own |
| 20:24.07 | Macer | sucks |
| 20:24.18 | Macer | need to find out what is wrong with it.. maybe if i install maemo on it :-P |
| 20:24.19 | Macer | lol |
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| 22:45.10 | ShadowJK | the seller of "recently purchased N900" on auction site went MIA :-( |
| 22:45.17 | ShadowJK | still has no spare N900 |
| 22:45.34 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: WUT? |
| 22:45.57 | ShadowJK | I bid on a N900 and won, seller is MIA |
| 22:46.07 | DocScrutinizer | cool shit |
| 22:46.17 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 22:46.43 | DocScrutinizer | I just instructed a good friend and ebay pro to get me 3 N900 |
| 22:47.20 | DocScrutinizer | told him to charge me 10% for the action |
| 22:47.29 | ShadowJK | I haven't been able to do much hunting lately, been doing 14 hour days at work |
| 22:47.44 | DocScrutinizer | same here basically |
| 22:48.14 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you've seen my "enlightenment moment" in cssu chan? |
| 22:48.40 | ShadowJK | no new versions for X decades, allegedly best thing since sliced bread thing? |
| 22:49.02 | DocScrutinizer | IOW, what do you think a RDBMS like sqlite is doing to RAM when database >NNN |
| 22:49.23 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 22:49.45 | ShadowJK | sqlite is kinda slow if database > 4kByte already :P |
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| 22:50.00 | DocScrutinizer | possibly the answer to the miracle why some users suffer from 30s+ stalls, while others are perfectly fine with their N900 performance |
| 22:50.31 | DocScrutinizer | *my* SMS and mail and contacts RDB is extremely small |
| 22:50.42 | ShadowJK | sqlite + ext3 + flash is a deadly combination |
| 22:50.51 | DocScrutinizer | others have the sms of last 7 years on their N900 |
| 22:51.06 | DocScrutinizer | now figure an inbound SMS |
| 22:51.21 | DocScrutinizer | it needs to be stored to eventsdb, no? |
| 22:51.36 | DocScrutinizer | so sqlite will open *and load* the whole db |
| 22:51.44 | ShadowJK | Heck, when firefox switched to sqlite for the awesome bar (address bar to the rest of us), even quad core computers with 16 gig of ram and velociraptor harddrives experienced multisecond hangs of firefox when sqlite decided to rape the hd for every keypress :P |
| 22:51.51 | DocScrutinizer | which is the direct path to swap hell |
| 22:52.18 | DocScrutinizer | if you have the SMS of last 7 years stored there |
| 22:52.21 | ShadowJK | heh, yeah, if it doesn't fit in ram it'd be a few magnitudes worse.. |
| 22:52.53 | DocScrutinizer | result: device freeze for 30+ seconds |
| 22:53.10 | DocScrutinizer | same for inbound and outbound calls |
| 22:53.24 | DocScrutinizer | and whatnot else that's stored in a RDB |
| 22:54.23 | DocScrutinizer | trigger an event that makes $random subsystem access the DB and you're screwed if that DB is sufficiently crowded |
| 22:56.05 | DocScrutinizer | I already suggested to start a new taskforce, topic "mystery of sluggish N900 finaly exposed" |
| 22:59.00 | DocScrutinizer | so anybody concerned about your device got unbearably slow over time: just try deleting obsolete crap from your various databases |
| 23:00.02 | DocScrutinizer | it's definitely no brilliant idea to have 3500 contacts in contact database, or similar number of old SMS, or even call events of 2 years ago |
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| 23:06.59 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: what do you think, sound rationale? |
| 23:08.42 | ShadowJK | dunno |
| 23:09.03 | DocScrutinizer | so what's needed to know? |
| 23:11.42 | DocScrutinizer | run an application benchmark against a system with purged/virgin databases vs same system after adding 600 contacts and 1000 SMS? |
| 23:12.21 | ShadowJK | Well I'd be interested in knowing if it's memory starvation, inefficient algorithms, or sqlite fsync madness that makes it stall so bad |
| 23:12.54 | DocScrutinizer | it's already common knowledge that tracker is hogging system especially when you already got lots of indexed music in RDB |
| 23:12.58 | tcatm | Hey. I'm new to Maemo. Where would be the best place to announce new packages (I might be creating a few once I've figured out how to do so)? |
| 23:13.24 | DocScrutinizer | hah |
| 23:13.31 | DocScrutinizer | here? tmo? |
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| 23:13.47 | DocScrutinizer | facebook? twitter? ;-D |
| 23:15.08 | tcatm | What's 'tmo'? |
| 23:15.14 | DocScrutinizer | ~tmo |
| 23:15.14 | infobot | well, tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxes |
| 23:16.34 | tcatm | Thanks! |
| 23:16.39 | DocScrutinizer | YW |
| 23:17.40 | DocScrutinizer | here you'll find "power users" and devels willing to give merciless review on beta versions. On tmo you find lots of fanbois and same amount of trolls |
| 23:18.42 | DocScrutinizer | most devels avoid tmo by now, due to poor S/N ratio |
| 23:19.18 | DocScrutinizer | tcatm: anyway, welcome to the club! :-D |
| 23:19.36 | tcatm | Btw, if there's anyone who has some time to help me create my first package from a cmake based source repo that would be awesome. I've noticed there is no quassel2go deb (only a dead link on qt-apps), so I've managed to build a binary but I have no clue how to create a .deb from it. |
| 23:20.14 | DocScrutinizer | there should be quassel afaik |
| 23:20.37 | DocScrutinizer | but anyway, for those things you're absolutely right here |
| 23:21.36 | DocScrutinizer | you'll always find someone willing to help, if you're not too impatient (turnaround time easily like half a day and 3 repeats of inquiry) |
| 23:21.59 | tcatm | That's pretty much standard on IRC and -dev channels IIRC :) |
| 23:22.06 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
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| 23:25.55 | DocScrutinizer | 92AAAJRB3: GOOGLE?? WTF! |
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| 23:27.04 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-03-25 00:26:43] [Whois] 92AAAJRB3 ist ~Google@79.103.140.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr (Google) |
| 23:27.05 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-03-25 00:26:43] [Whois] 92AAAJRB3 hat Benutzerstatus in den Kanälen: #maemo |
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| 23:27.36 | DocScrutinizer | my kickfinger itches |
| 23:27.43 | tcatm | Are there any repos I should be aware of? (I've got a n900) |
| 23:27.52 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 23:28.31 | DocScrutinizer | extras, extras-testing || extras-devel, tools, SDK, (CSSU) |
| 23:28.53 | DocScrutinizer | prolly extras-devel is the most relevant of them |
| 23:30.24 | tcatm | k, I've already got -devel and extras in my sources.list |
| 23:30.36 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel |
| 23:30.47 | DocScrutinizer | ~cssu |
| 23:30.47 | infobot | cssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 23:30.57 | DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools |
| 23:30.57 | infobot | rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 23:31.00 | DocScrutinizer | maybe |
| 23:32.26 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 |
| 23:33.03 | DocScrutinizer | you'll love rhat one |
| 23:34.06 | DocScrutinizer | and just stay here 24/7, it's possibly most rewarding |
| 23:35.46 | tcatm | Are you aware of any scirpts that will automatically configure usb0 whenever I connect the phone to my computer? |
| 23:35.59 | merlin1991 | tcatm: here you go: http://cdnm.at/~christian/maemo/quassel2go/quassel2go_0.8-pre5_armel.deb |
| 23:36.01 | DocScrutinizer | for networking? |
| 23:36.13 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 23:36.32 | DocScrutinizer | tcatm: see, we're a nice bunch ;-) |
| 23:36.54 | tcatm | Cool. That package should be in one of the repos :) |
| 23:37.11 | DocScrutinizer | well, that'S a special thing with the repos |
| 23:37.17 | merlin1991 | sgissl never bothered todo it since he had the qt-apps page |
| 23:37.29 | merlin1991 | and since it is a dead project I never bothered todo it either |
| 23:37.46 | merlin1991 | though I'm semi working on its successor |
| 23:37.53 | DocScrutinizer | it's easy to get sth into -devel |
| 23:38.06 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: only if you have proper packaging in place |
| 23:38.14 | tcatm | Yes, for networking. Actually, doing ip l set usb0 up would be enough so I could easily access the phone via ssh. |
| 23:38.23 | DocScrutinizer | it's quite hard to get sth into and beyond -testing |
| 23:38.41 | merlin1991 | for example the quassel2go package would never fly with the autobuilder |
| 23:38.50 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 23:38.52 | merlin1991 | cmake exectues a part of the build at buildtime |
| 23:39.39 | DocScrutinizer | tcatm: I dunno about scripts for USB (though I bet there are), I use WLAN and it "just works" |
| 23:39.49 | merlin1991 | tcam there is mad-developer |
| 23:39.57 | merlin1991 | it's in extras-devel, it's gui |
| 23:40.11 | merlin1991 | but all it's logic is there in form of scripts |
| 23:40.20 | DocScrutinizer | take care about your USB port anyway, they're notorious to fall off the PCB when not treated like a raw egg |
| 23:40.47 | merlin1991 | so drop one of those instaed of the pc-suitemode.sh (don't know the actual filename) and you can have it run whenever you press the button :) |
| 23:41.08 | tcatm | I see. Well, maybe I can tie something to a dbus event. |
| 23:41.28 | DocScrutinizer | too complex |
| 23:42.12 | DocScrutinizer | on N900/fremantle we're free to tweak all sorts of config files and scripts in /etc |
| 23:42.38 | DocScrutinizer | so linking sth into ifup, or doing like merlin1991 suggested will probably do |
| 23:42.53 | DocScrutinizer | ~usb-networking |
| 23:42.53 | infobot | usb-networking is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking, or http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking |
| 23:44.30 | DocScrutinizer | btw, for tie-ing (wtf is the rigth word?) sth to dbus msgs there's a great pks named dbus-scripting |
| 23:44.41 | DocScrutinizer | pkg even |
| 23:45.34 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: pc<tab><tab>: pcsuite-disable.sh pcsuite-enable.sh |
| 23:45.38 | tcatm | I see. I'll probably write a tiny daemon to do the work. I have a small crypto handshake in mind so my phone can be sure it is indeed connected to my laptop and only then run some sync scripts. |
| 23:46.06 | SpeedEvil | Meh. |
| 23:46.06 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 23:46.15 | SpeedEvil | got loads of WONTFIX notifications on bugs. |
| 23:46.19 | DocScrutinizer | I do that via ssh with keys |
| 23:46.26 | SpeedEvil | Which regrettably aren't unrealistic or really arguable. |
| 23:46.28 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yup |
| 23:46.31 | merlin1991 | crypto handshake? Just ssh against known pub key and if not correct ABORT :D |
| 23:46.38 | DocScrutinizer | Andre_ announced that |
| 23:46.50 | merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: for harm? |
| 23:46.58 | SpeedEvil | merlin1991: fremantle |
| 23:47.01 | DocScrutinizer | nope, fremantle |
| 23:47.07 | tcatm | Well, the handshake would also setup USB tethering. I don't want to expose that to everyone. |
| 23:47.13 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: see #maemo-ssu |
| 23:47.52 | merlin1991 | again just try to ssh into your laptop and base everything on that :D |
| 23:48.03 | DocScrutinizer | you don't want to use USB at all, if you can use WLAN |
| 23:48.20 | DocScrutinizer | just for sake of USB receptacle |
| 23:48.58 | tcatm | A USB receptacle can be replaced easily and I need it to power the phone anyway. |
| 23:49.10 | merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: I'm still in the dark about the bugs |
| 23:49.20 | DocScrutinizer | there are guys that prefer to charge their battery in external charger, rather than plug in USB fastcharger |
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| 23:50.08 | DocScrutinizer | tcatm: this receptacle possibly is impossible or at least *very* hard to fix, once it ripped off the pads from PCB |
| 23:50.12 | DocScrutinizer | ~usbfix |
| 23:50.12 | infobot | hmm... usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 23:51.08 | DocScrutinizer | on a sidenote I never had any issues with any of my 2 devices here, and I'm plugging at least one of them 1+ times a day |
| 23:51.48 | DocScrutinizer | depending on your luck and particular hardware, YMMV |
| 23:52.11 | SD69 | merlin1991: Nokia is not fixing fremantle bugs anymore |
| 23:52.24 | DocScrutinizer | HEY SD69 !!! |
| 23:52.30 | ShadowJK | haven't for quite some time :P |
| 23:52.31 | DocScrutinizer | rare guest |
| 23:52.56 | merlin1991 | oh hey SD69, though that Nokia is not fixing fremantle bugs was kind obvious since some time already |
| 23:53.06 | tcatm | btw. How does the n900 resolve DNS? resolv.conf points to 127.0.0.1 and I find that confusing. |
| 23:53.13 | ShadowJK | dnsmasq |
| 23:53.13 | merlin1991 | tcatm: dnsmasq |
| 23:53.25 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 23:53.40 | merlin1991 | since DocScrutinizer pointed towards #maemo-ssu I thought SpeedEvil was talking about cssu specific bugs and we didn't have that much wontix resolves yet |
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| 23:55.46 | DocScrutinizer | nah, but that one thing about bug 8347 is clearly CSSU and I'd like to add according comment to bugtraq |
| 23:55.48 | povbot | 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available |
| 23:57.25 | DocScrutinizer | SD69: how's living? :-) |