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| 03:18.36 | Macer | does cssu support wpa2? |
| 03:18.48 | Macer | i just realized maemo stock doesnt lol |
| 03:19.36 | nox- | what? mine does |
| 03:19.50 | Macer | does it? |
| 03:19.58 | Macer | i dont see wpa2 in my list |
| 03:20.05 | Macer | i would assume it is wpa |
| 03:20.20 | Macer | since it wont connect to my wpa2 only router |
| 03:20.53 | nox- | weird my net is wpa2 only also and it does here |
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| 03:21.22 | Macer | hm |
| 03:21.25 | Macer | weird |
| 03:21.30 | Macer | let me try again |
| 03:21.45 | nox- | maybe mistyped the passphrase? |
| 03:21.50 | Macer | going to use backupmenu and make a backup first and install cssu |
| 03:22.04 | Macer | was going to anyways |
| 03:23.16 | Macer | hm |
| 03:23.21 | Macer | tried twice |
| 03:23.30 | Macer | wpa2 isnt working |
| 03:23.43 | Macer | i turned off mixed wpa/wpa2 |
| 03:24.13 | nox- | o_O |
| 03:25.02 | Hurrian | maemo supports wpa2, i've been using it for years |
| 03:25.20 | Hurrian | linux systems don't really differentiate between the two |
| 03:25.35 | Macer | well i just tried the passphrase 3 times |
| 03:25.41 | Macer | it doesn't seem to want to work ;) |
| 03:29.42 | Hurrian | disable mixed mode, then |
| 03:29.44 | Macer | where is backupmenu? |
| 03:29.46 | Hurrian | disable power save |
| 03:29.50 | Macer | i did disable mixed mode |
| 03:29.53 | Macer | that's when it stopped working ;) |
| 03:30.01 | Hurrian | wut |
| 03:30.04 | Macer | then i tried adding it manually |
| 03:30.07 | Hurrian | disable it at your router too |
| 03:30.14 | Macer | i did |
| 03:30.22 | Macer | when i disabled it on the router it stopped working |
| 03:30.43 | Hurrian | wat |
| 03:30.53 | Hurrian | something's wrong here then |
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| 03:32.08 | Macer | heh |
| 03:32.16 | Macer | i'm also not seeing backupmenu in the devel repo |
| 03:32.18 | Macer | wth? |
| 03:32.20 | Macer | it's just chaos |
| 03:33.16 | Hurrian | http://goput.it/16b.png |
| 03:34.47 | Macer | yes. i have a similar config |
| 03:35.40 | Macer | oh. crap. looks like i already had backupmenu installed lol |
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| 03:37.00 | Macer | grr.. i wish this damn app manager wasn't so damn slow |
| 03:37.17 | ShadowJK | connects to my wpa2 fine |
| 03:37.34 | Macer | hm |
| 03:37.35 | Macer | ok |
| 03:38.37 | Macer | i will figure it out.. weird |
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| 03:44.52 | Macer | werid.. rebooting the phone and connecting worked |
| 03:44.54 | Macer | wtf? |
| 03:45.58 | Macer | oh well..whatever. i will install cssu now |
| 03:46.30 | Macer | anybody try nemo? |
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| 03:51.52 | Macer | i am trying to determine if i should live on the edge with testing cssu or stable |
| 03:52.01 | Macer | ponders the red or blue pill |
| 03:52.12 | Macer | well.. i guess red or yellow in this case |
| 03:52.25 | Macer | what are you guys going to do when nokia shuts down maemo.org in like.... a year? |
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| 04:02.57 | ShadowJK | at the moment I'm hoping archos makes a phone |
| 04:03.00 | ShadowJK | maybe |
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| 04:04.27 | robbiethe1st | I'm hoping their G9 tablets start supporting Angstrom before wishing for a phone from them |
| 04:04.37 | robbiethe1st | (or, any other linux distro) |
| 04:04.55 | ShadowJK | that too. |
| 04:05.27 | ShadowJK | I guess we should backup the repos :P |
| 04:05.39 | ShadowJK | so we can continue using N900 for awhile still |
| 04:06.08 | robbiethe1st | Uh, yes... but, erm, why back up them /now/? |
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| 04:06.26 | robbiethe1st | Something I don't know about? |
| 04:07.18 | Hurrian | who knows when the site runs out of dosh? |
| 04:07.28 | ShadowJK | Because you can't trust Nokia to keep their promises? :) |
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| 04:08.08 | ShadowJK | iirc last year they said maemo.org would run like until nobody ever came to it anymore |
| 04:08.18 | ShadowJK | and now it's "for a year" |
| 04:08.22 | ShadowJK | so I'm guessing that means "a week" |
| 04:08.28 | ShadowJK | but I'm only extrapolating |
| 04:08.38 | ShadowJK | this doublespeak is confusing :-( |
| 04:08.42 | ShadowJK | Wish they spoke english |
| 04:08.59 | ShadowJK | or stopped acting like an evil empire |
| 04:09.06 | ShadowJK | you can't be an evil empire without being an empire first |
| 04:09.24 | robbiethe1st | Well, back it up. |
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| 05:06.33 | Macer | how big is the repo? |
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| 05:07.03 | Macer | it can't be that big :) |
| 05:09.10 | ShadowJK | larger than fits on a N900 |
| 05:10.41 | Macer | heh |
| 05:10.51 | Macer | i was asking because i am sure i have the space for it |
| 05:11.02 | Macer | and considering demand i am sure i have the bandwidth to handle most of it as well |
| 05:11.45 | robbiethe1st | Well, get scraping! |
| 05:11.47 | robbiethe1st | :P |
| 05:12.06 | Macer | i could probably start xfering it now but honestly don't know the best way to get all the repos |
| 05:12.45 | ShadowJK | Wasn't maemo.org downloads exceeding ovi store downloads? |
| 05:12.53 | Macer | omg i'm sure |
| 05:12.54 | Macer | lol |
| 05:13.25 | Macer | throughout both their histories i'm sure maemo.org was beating ovi |
| 05:14.35 | Macer | cssu contacts isn't portrait ready heh |
| 05:15.03 | ShadowJK | excellent |
| 05:20.15 | Macer | damn the asian girl from season 1 of babylon 5 is hot as hell |
| 05:20.16 | Macer | lol |
| 05:20.22 | Macer | she is probably an old hag by now |
| 05:25.06 | ShadowJK | What was her name? |
| 05:25.35 | ShadowJK | naw, asian girls don't age until they're like 60 |
| 05:38.40 | Macer | heh |
| 05:38.52 | Macer | dont know |
| 05:39.00 | Macer | but she was pretty |
| 05:39.05 | Macer | id say chinese |
| 05:39.19 | Macer | americanized chinese tho |
| 05:41.45 | Macer | julia nickson |
| 05:42.42 | Macer | oh. she is from singapore |
| 05:42.57 | Macer | you werent kidding tho. she still is hot lol |
| 05:44.20 | Macer | oh. maybe not |
| 05:50.24 | psycho_oreos | I'd say repository.maemo.org is at least 100GB *looks around the cable that connects to his portable hard disk*.. if not at least 200+, depending on which areas you wanted to mirror |
| 05:51.05 | robbiethe1st | They have 2TB drives for a reason! |
| 05:51.57 | psycho_oreos | indeed, you could mirror the entire repository.maemo.org along with other minor repositories, even nokia's repository (with a bit of a hack) |
| 05:52.17 | SpeedEvil | Is talk worth saving? |
| 05:52.27 | SpeedEvil | wiki too, I guess |
| 05:53.09 | psycho_oreos | if one could mirror those easily I'd say wiki is more important than talk, but either way both are just as important |
| 05:55.00 | psycho_oreos | runs du -h on his mirrored copy of repository.maemo.org (which is if anything a few months old) |
| 05:57.39 | ShadowJK | If one could filter out the crap from the signal at talk |
| 05:58.03 | psycho_oreos | 186G . |
| 05:58.27 | psycho_oreos | that can come afterwards, the most important is to mirror it before the entire thing goes down ;) |
| 05:58.45 | ShadowJK | it's a separate server btw |
| 05:59.03 | Macer | that is small |
| 05:59.04 | ShadowJK | in a separate place, under separate administration |
| 05:59.05 | SpeedEvil | The crap is on a seperate server? |
| 05:59.08 | Macer | ;-) |
| 05:59.10 | ShadowJK | no |
| 05:59.11 | ShadowJK | talk is |
| 05:59.19 | ShadowJK | oh... |
| 05:59.22 | Macer | 200GB isnt much |
| 05:59.24 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, yes. |
| 05:59.28 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 06:00.09 | ShadowJK | psycho_oreos, do you have a rsync recipie for that? |
| 06:00.10 | psycho_oreos | mind you that's an old mirrored version of the entire repository.maemo.org. It includes all of the stuff released eversince it was born (which effectively includes things from bora, chinook, diablo, etc) |
| 06:00.30 | ShadowJK | Yeah I still use diablo actually :P |
| 06:00.43 | psycho_oreos | ShadowJK, for repository.maemo.org? nope I used apt-mirror.. and I hacked it to work with https for maemo.nokia repo |
| 06:00.44 | Macer | mace@totam.scientiam.org:/volume1 8.1T 2.7T 5.5T 33% /home/mace/Totam/volume1 |
| 06:00.55 | Macer | 5TB left |
| 06:01.07 | ShadowJK | aw |
| 06:01.29 | Macer | well... if you have a wiki on how to get the repos i will get them |
| 06:01.42 | Macer | shouldnt take too long |
| 06:01.59 | psycho_oreos | I have a huge list for apt-mirror on my wmo page |
| 06:02.06 | psycho_oreos | err handle on there is tuxsavvy |
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| 06:49.07 | aspect | I'm getting errors attempting to download images from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php -- is there another source for RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ? |
| 06:52.12 | psycho_oreos | what errors out of curiousity |
| 06:54.10 | aspect | firefox reports "Corrupted Content Error" |
| 06:55.26 | psycho_oreos | the only other source that I know of which is unofficial and they only have links to phoenix flasher (notably windows only tool) is this: http://www.cpkb.org/wiki/Nokia_N800_Internet_Tablet_RX-34_firmware_data_package_download |
| 06:56.28 | aspect | lynx pulled it down fine .. go firefox |
| 06:57.04 | aspect | thanks for the mirror though |
| 06:57.59 | psycho_oreos | heh not mine.. tbf I would preferred if those mobs seeded the pure .img files though.. with the windows executable, one essentially needs to run it through wine to unpack the img file out and hoping that it would be it |
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| 08:55.55 | dremy | hai |
| 08:56.03 | psycho_oreos | high |
| 08:56.18 | dremy | salam kenal |
| 08:56.34 | psycho_oreos | I don't speak that language |
| 08:57.05 | dremy | where are you from? |
| 08:57.23 | psycho_oreos | somewhere in the southern hemisphere |
| 08:58.22 | dremy | i'm sorry. i from indonesia |
| 08:58.45 | dremy | i'm sorry, i'm from indonesia |
| 08:59.53 | psycho_oreos | hmm ok |
| 09:01.06 | psycho_oreos | so you have an issue about maemo or want to talk about maemo (in English of course)? |
| 09:02.05 | dremy | i want to talk about maemo |
| 09:02.26 | psycho_oreos | in what areas specifically? |
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| 09:11.56 | dremy | in Jakarta |
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| 09:18.02 | psycho_oreos | ahh well I can't help you that I'm afraid, I don't live in Indonesia |
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| 09:19.38 | dremy | why you're afraid? |
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| 09:20.26 | psycho_oreos | its a saying, it just means that I can't help you regardless (due to the circumstance you're having) |
| 09:23.08 | aspect | what's the story with "hacker edition" images? |
| 09:26.26 | dremy | nevermind. by the way how old are you? |
| 09:27.27 | psycho_oreos | aspect, I believe they are the community built images with various new features (but also has its own drawbacks) but I have no clue |
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| 09:28.35 | psycho_oreos | dremy, I'd rather not answer that question :) |
| 09:30.25 | dremy | sorry, i was rude |
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| 09:38.51 | dremy | I'm really sorry |
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| 11:51.29 | kakashi__ | hi |
| 11:51.40 | kakashi__ | whats the channel for cssu? |
| 11:51.48 | psycho_oreos | #maemo-ssu |
| 11:52.52 | kakashi__ | thanks psycho_oreos |
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| 13:20.36 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ -- N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | RECENT UPDATE: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79400 || CSSU-Stable available: get it via links in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1129261 *now*! |
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| 13:28.20 | ketas | doh, nokia shuts maemo.org down? |
| 13:29.09 | SpeedEvil | which bits? |
| 13:29.21 | SpeedEvil | talk/wiki/. all work |
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| 13:32.23 | ketas | i don't know, someone said that |
| 13:32.48 | ketas | and not now |
| 13:33.04 | DocScrutinizer | sme day whole internet will get shut down |
| 13:33.35 | ketas | never |
| 13:34.16 | ketas | i'm wondering how long nokia will offer updates for previously sold devices |
| 13:34.31 | DocScrutinizer | hah, it won't work when earth melts in sun's corona |
| 13:34.52 | Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer, By then it will extend beyond the earth. |
| 13:34.56 | ketas | at least firmware files, i don't expect development |
| 13:35.11 | ketas | Ken-Young: so it will nice sunny day? |
| 13:35.26 | ketas | s/will/will be/ |
| 13:35.50 | ketas | sun hugs you |
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| 13:36.01 | Ken-Young | I prefer night time. |
| 13:36.18 | ketas | puts Ken-Young in bright light |
| 13:36.31 | Ken-Young | I have inverseSAD. |
| 13:36.45 | ketas | hm? |
| 13:36.58 | ketas | well it's still sad |
| 13:37.01 | Ken-Young | Inverse Seasonal Affective Disorder. |
| 13:37.20 | ketas | summer is season too |
| 13:39.16 | Dynamit | I need to reflash my N900 but when i try flasher-3.5 say USB device found found at bus 002, device address 113. |
| 13:39.17 | Dynamit | Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted |
| 13:39.53 | NIN101 | do it as root. |
| 13:40.29 | Dynamit | LOL stupid noob problem |
| 13:41.14 | Dynamit | By mistake i rm -fr the /var map as root so that's why i need to re-flash it |
| 13:41.34 | ketas | hmm! |
| 13:41.47 | ketas | you hurt a n900 |
| 13:41.57 | Dynamit | I know stupid mistake |
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| 13:50.27 | DocScrutinizer | so #maemo, how's living? |
| 13:51.22 | Dynamit | Me |
| 13:52.33 | DocScrutinizer | aah I see, with a bit of funny optics yu easily get "who" from "how" :-D |
| 13:53.31 | Dynamit | :-P |
| 13:54.29 | DocScrutinizer | though my rather poor English would have put it "who's alive" then |
| 13:55.02 | Dynamit | I understand you anyhow |
| 14:00.58 | DocScrutinizer | Dynamit: so I hope you're not only alive but also doing fine |
| 14:02.47 | Dynamit | So restore the settings etc. now on my N900 Wee |
| 14:04.13 | DocScrutinizer | curses ding for not supporting many idioms |
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| 14:08.30 | DocScrutinizer | Dynamit: have a look into backupmenu, it's a really great indispensable app |
| 14:08.40 | DocScrutinizer | well, "app" |
| 14:09.45 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not all sure about it, but I *think* it would still work on a system that even has /var deleted |
| 14:10.14 | DocScrutinizer | so you wouldn't even have to reflash, to recover from your "noob mistake" |
| 14:10.54 | DocScrutinizer | just boot up with kbd slider opened, and select "restore" from backupmenu |
| 14:11.18 | Dynamit | okey |
| 14:11.43 | Dynamit | Do you knoe about get nitroid getting to dualboot from micro sd-card? |
| 14:12.02 | Dynamit | I have try but can't get the dualboot to find it |
| 14:12.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | well... I don't appreciate nitdroid |
| 14:12.39 | DocScrutinizer | also: |
| 14:12.45 | DocScrutinizer | ~maemo-multiboot |
| 14:12.45 | infobot | rumour has it, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED |
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| 14:13.15 | Dynamit | have you try Kubuntu mobile? |
| 14:13.22 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 14:14.03 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, why would I want to try another OS than maemo fremantle, on N900? |
| 14:14.43 | Dynamit | Because other OS have things that maemo don't |
| 14:14.51 | DocScrutinizer | I'm still pretty convinced of fremantle with CSSU being the best OS for N900 you can get |
| 14:15.03 | Dynamit | the only reason i want dualboot is to get the Ubuntu One to sync my calender etc. from the phone to the computer's i use and the other way |
| 14:15.20 | DocScrutinizer | and I don't see any such things that maemo is missing while other OS might provide |
| 14:16.44 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I'd suspect this One thing doesn't support maemo contacts database and middleware |
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| 14:20.22 | DocScrutinizer | and quite probably the contacts in whatever database One supports will not allow to dial them on N900 |
| 14:21.15 | DocScrutinizer | you could possibly fix this with some dbus-call to pop up maemo dialer with the number selected from One contacts |
| 14:21.55 | DocScrutinizer | but for inbound calls I'd not expect the contact lookup and name resolving to work on ubuntu One |
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| 14:23.46 | Dynamit | the only thing i care about is calender and document that need to be sync |
| 14:23.59 | DocScrutinizer | document? |
| 14:24.33 | Dynamit | odt, txt, doc, etc. |
| 14:24.51 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I don't see how to sync that |
| 14:25.00 | Dynamit | but the most important is calender |
| 14:25.30 | DocScrutinizer | except with e.g. rsync to copy stuff from one device to other in an intelligent way |
| 14:27.12 | Dynamit | wtf. i download the newest Maemo 5 but when the software list is updated the phone say it update available for Maemo5 |
| 14:27.42 | DocScrutinizer | sorry? |
| 14:28.01 | Dynamit | Nothing my phone act weird |
| 14:28.27 | DocScrutinizer | you mean there are updates available even after you flashed 'latest' fiasco immage? |
| 14:28.45 | Dynamit | yes |
| 14:28.50 | DocScrutinizer | normal |
| 14:29.24 | DocScrutinizer | ...on all OS I know |
| 14:29.56 | DocScrutinizer | the complete image used for flashing always is outdated even on the day it gets published |
| 14:30.05 | Dynamit | Okey so when Ubuntu 12.04 is released it will be new update's for it after 10min after its release? |
| 14:30.27 | DocScrutinizer | IOW you always find updates to apply to most recent full image |
| 14:30.39 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 14:31.20 | DocScrutinizer | it takes quite some time to prepare and roll out some image |
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| 14:32.33 | DocScrutinizer | during that time any new updates won't go in to that latest image, so you'll find them immediately after installation of the whole image in the update utility |
| 14:34.08 | DocScrutinizer | and in the weeks and months after release of that image, any updates won't go in to the image as well |
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| 14:34.26 | DocScrutinizer | obviously |
| 14:36.02 | DocScrutinizer | for fremantle that means, I don't know if we got a PR1.3.1 fiasco at all, or the 1.3->1.3.1 updates are only available via HAM "update" |
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| 14:37.06 | Dynamit | okey |
| 14:37.59 | DocScrutinizer | you could find out easily, when you click "details" tab on the offered maemo update in HAM |
| 14:38.27 | DocScrutinizer | it says "installed:" and "available:" or similar |
| 14:41.42 | Dynamit | provided by Nokia |
| 14:45.07 | ShadowJK | 1.3.1 is only available through ham |
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| 14:48.06 | DocScrutinizer | thought as much |
| 14:48.44 | DocScrutinizer | Dynamit: what's about "provided by Nokia"? |
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| 14:50.56 | Dynamit | It was the only thing it say about where it came from |
| 14:51.03 | Dynamit | but shit the same |
| 14:54.01 | DocScrutinizer | well, that's where it came from, but when clicking details tab you see a lot more of info about current version, new version, whatnot else |
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| 15:10.10 | aspect | what's the go with a2dp on n800/os2008? I'm seeing different instructions in a few places |
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| 15:16.43 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, that's knowledge hard to find nowadays. Some users here might know about it, I for one never tried BT audio with N810 |
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| 15:20.34 | aspect | I used to have it on the old image I just trashed :/ |
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| 15:40.33 | MrPingu | ~seen pali |
| 15:40.39 | infobot | pali <~quassel@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 1d 19h 48m 37s ago, saying: 'but old version of nokia kernel in mtd3 can be updated to one which will have fixed security bugs'. |
| 15:40.39 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, well. Talking outa my ass, I'd say you usually need a pulseaudio plugin to send PCM audio data to the BT chip. IIRC that used to be BlueZ3 |
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| 15:41.38 | MrPingu | ~seen freemangordon |
| 15:41.39 | infobot | freemangordon <freemangor@130-204-50-168.2074156771.ddns.cablebg.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 22h 55m 2s ago, saying: 'X-Fade ping'. |
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| 15:42.55 | BCMM_ | !fixusb |
| 15:43.07 | BCMM_ | ,fixusb |
| 15:43.22 | BCMM_ | ok, so i've forgotten which character triggers the bot... |
| 15:44.28 | BCMM_ | ~fixusb |
| 15:45.33 | DocScrutinizer | ~usbfix |
| 15:45.33 | infobot | [usbfix] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 15:45.47 | DocScrutinizer | or simply: |
| 15:45.49 | BCMM_ | thanks Doc. |
| 15:45.52 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: usbfix |
| 15:45.52 | infobot | well, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 15:46.14 | DocScrutinizer | in case you forgot the keychar |
| 15:46.20 | BCMM | off to void a warranty now |
| 15:46.31 | DocScrutinizer | (which btw is per chan defined) |
| 15:47.21 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: :-D thumbs up for this kind of voiding warranty |
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| 15:48.51 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: btw according to european jurisdiction your warranty for unrelated defects won't be void by doing a modification like usbfix. Manufacturer had to explain why your mod caused the defect |
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| 15:49.58 | javispedro | ... for the first 6 months only |
| 15:50.06 | DocScrutinizer | they can't just say "you opened the device, so now your warranty is void" - they can do this for the voluntary warranty they offer, but not for the 2 yeras legal warranty |
| 15:50.07 | javispedro | after that, you are the one having to explain it |
| 15:50.19 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: hmm somewhat |
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| 15:58.58 | MrPingu | when one overclocks his dsp, will SR automatically increase voltage? |
| 15:59.14 | aspect | a2dp success! by scrutinising the last few pages of the thread and re-pairing my headset |
| 15:59.39 | DocScrutinizer | aspect: \o/ |
| 16:00.27 | Hurrian|hurr | MrPingu: no |
| 16:00.31 | DocScrutinizer | MrPingu: NFC, check the wealth of threads about it - here OC is mostly deprecated as most of us understood it's usually worthless |
| 16:00.34 | Hurrian|hurr | SR max voltage is is kernel config file |
| 16:01.05 | Hurrian|hurr | and side note, with syspart disabled, the only kernel config you need is stock with kpower50 |
| 16:01.43 | Hurrian|hurr | ...and WSEGL turned on |
| 16:02.10 | Hurrian|hurr | but as i have experienced, turning SR and WSEGL results in graphics corruption sometimes, fixed with a batt pull |
| 16:02.34 | DocScrutinizer | a few users have sound arguments why they temporarily enable OC to get across some magic limit with framerates etc. but the normal case is OC fanbois mess with CPU clock without any good reason, and then claim everything "works just fine now" but lack to deliver any proof that it's not a placebo effect |
| 16:04.02 | DocScrutinizer | while the truckload of possible negative impact on several system and device aspects are simply neglected |
| 16:05.25 | MrPingu | I used to run 900 mhz 24/7 |
| 16:05.40 | DocScrutinizer | no you didn't |
| 16:05.57 | DocScrutinizer | this statement alone proves you don't understand OC |
| 16:06.01 | Hurrian|hurr | if the N900 ran at 900MHz 24/7, the battery would be burnt |
| 16:06.11 | MrPingu | well, you get what I mean |
| 16:06.32 | MrPingu | it's ondemand governer, so not 24/7 :P |
| 16:06.42 | Hurrian|hurr | if you want to run it at 900MHz 24/7, disable clocks off while idle and set limits ;) |
| 16:06.56 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, a bit of a clue shines up :-) |
| 16:07.21 | MrPingu | Nono I don't want to run 900 mhz, I just wanted to confirm what you said |
| 16:07.45 | MrPingu | Becuz since reflash I just loaded default profile |
| 16:07.55 | MrPingu | (till 600) |
| 16:08.29 | MrPingu | Couldn't really say it was slower or faster, well a bit of the transitions when switching windows |
| 16:08.53 | MrPingu | Really read/write on disks is the real slowdown on N900 :P |
| 16:08.54 | DocScrutinizer | yep, see. The placebo effect kicks in ;-) |
| 16:09.12 | Hurrian|hurr | with swap on sd, and the right swap settings for compcache, you'll get max [strike]placebo[/strike]responsiveness |
| 16:09.20 | DocScrutinizer | yes, I/O is bottleneck |
| 16:09.22 | hanning | does anyone know about the current uefi-situation? i was thinking about switching from win7 to 8.. |
| 16:09.36 | hanning | (dualboot system here) |
| 16:09.55 | MrPingu | Yes I have enabled swap on SD |
| 16:10.01 | Hurrian|hurr | hanning, if you're not on a uefi-compliant x86 system, nothing to worry about |
| 16:10.05 | Hurrian|hurr | uhh |
| 16:10.15 | Hurrian|hurr | if you're on an x86/x86-64 system, nothing to worry about |
| 16:10.23 | Hurrian|hurr | open mode is expressly enabled |
| 16:11.07 | DocScrutinizer | MrPingu: swap on SD makes probably more snese than any OCing |
| 16:11.17 | DocScrutinizer | sense* |
| 16:12.21 | DocScrutinizer | optimal optimization (sorry I had to use that term once in my life ;-P) would be to reduce RAM footprint of the active system, so it doesn't need that much (or any) swap |
| 16:12.44 | MrPingu | Probably, but I have been thinking. Wouldn't it be better if I gave microSD swap partition higher priority? |
| 16:13.01 | DocScrutinizer | quite possuble |
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| 16:13.08 | Hurrian|hurr | disable emmc swap |
| 16:13.12 | DocScrutinizer | meh, my typing sucks today |
| 16:13.33 | MrPingu | I try to keep my phone as clean as possible, least possible extra libraries ;) |
| 16:13.38 | DocScrutinizer | swapon mmc; swapoff mtd |
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| 16:13.49 | Hurrian|hurr | uhh, i meant write an event.d script that disables emmc swap when mmc swap is detected |
| 16:14.05 | Hurrian|hurr | ~swapmicro.sh |
| 16:14.33 | MrPingu | Other stuff I do in ED chroot ;) |
| 16:14.42 | MrPingu | what's exactly mtd? |
| 16:15.00 | Hurrian|hurr | DocScrutinizer, y u swapon mtd on n900 |
| 16:15.05 | DocScrutinizer | memory technology device IIRC |
| 16:15.08 | DocScrutinizer | aka NAND |
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| 16:15.45 | Hurrian|hurr | it's probably a bad idea to swapon raw flash device without flash layer |
| 16:16.12 | DocScrutinizer | err, sorry, sure. you're right |
| 16:16.23 | DocScrutinizer | swap of N900 is on eMMC |
| 16:16.33 | MrPingu | Not willing to try, swap is on /dev/mmcblk0p3 IIRC |
| 16:16.41 | Hurrian|hurr | yes. |
| 16:17.06 | Hurrian|hurr | from outside maemo, it's mmcblk1p3, as physically, the emmc is connected to mmc1 |
| 16:17.07 | DocScrutinizer | so s/swapoff mtd/swapoff eMMC/ |
| 16:17.42 | DocScrutinizer | Hurrian|hurr: only when uSD inserted |
| 16:17.46 | MrPingu | mmc1 = microsd, isn't it? |
| 16:17.48 | DocScrutinizer | a big PITA |
| 16:18.40 | DocScrutinizer | mmc-if0 is external, mmc-if1 is internal. So kernel probes for external aka uSD first, and if available that gets name mmc0 |
| 16:18.48 | DocScrutinizer | then later on it gets renamed |
| 16:19.19 | DocScrutinizer | in some locations the renaming doesn't take effect |
| 16:19.45 | MrPingu | I don't get that, probably my lack of enough knowledge :P |
| 16:19.56 | DocScrutinizer | so be very very careful whenever using absolute references to mmc0 or mmc1 |
| 16:20.16 | Hurrian|hurr | note that emmc is named mmcblk0 only in 2.6.28-maemo derived kernels |
| 16:20.22 | Hurrian|hurr | everywhere else, it's mmcblk1 |
| 16:20.25 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes it may be not like you'd expected |
| 16:21.05 | MrPingu | Oh you mean when you attach to your desktop via backupmenu? |
| 16:21.18 | DocScrutinizer | Hurrian|hurr: the renaming is done by udev plus some script IIRC |
| 16:21.42 | NIN101 | yep. |
| 16:21.50 | Hurrian|hurr | wow that's ridiculous |
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| 16:23.03 | DocScrutinizer | cat /proc/partitions |
| 16:23.14 | DocScrutinizer | you'll see "strange" results |
| 16:23.20 | DocScrutinizer | occasionally |
| 16:23.48 | DocScrutinizer | proc/partitions being one of the places where renaming doesn't kick in AFAIK |
| 16:24.20 | DocScrutinizer | that'S what the *original* true names are that kernel originally used |
| 16:24.58 | DocScrutinizer | depending on whatever, e.g. swapon or any oher tool may or may not use the renamed or the original names |
| 16:25.14 | MrPingu | home/user/.kernel # cat /proc/partitions |
| 16:25.40 | MrPingu | seems mmcblk0 is still the emmc |
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| 16:26.31 | DocScrutinizer | err, yup, seems /proc/partitions still using the renamed scheme |
| 16:26.42 | DocScrutinizer | in ather places though this doesn't apply |
| 16:27.03 | DocScrutinizer | just can't remember where, except obviously sections in dmesg/syslog |
| 16:27.12 | NIN101 | on my device, mmcblk0 = sdcard in /proc/partitions ... |
| 16:27.24 | MrPingu | Hmm now I start wondering what that third partition on my microSD was for? |
| 16:28.13 | MrPingu | I actually only use the swap and the FAT32 |
| 16:28.17 | DocScrutinizer | NIN101: both are sdcard |
| 16:28.29 | DocScrutinizer | just one is uSD while other is eMMC |
| 16:28.41 | DocScrutinizer | err, /me needs some more coffee |
| 16:28.52 | DocScrutinizer | eMMC != SD card |
| 16:30.29 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, keep in mind that with regard to mmc0 vs mmc1 sometimes things may appear like they magically swapped postitions |
| 16:30.54 | DocScrutinizer | so always doublecheck |
| 16:31.33 | MrPingu | What's the reason they are swapped in maemo? |
| 16:32.00 | MrPingu | I can't find the logic/reason behind that |
| 16:32.08 | DocScrutinizer | the reason is eMMC is detected as mmc0 when no uSD inserted, as it's the first card kernel detects |
| 16:32.45 | DocScrutinizer | now you insert a uSD and reboot: kernel detects uSD first and names it mmc0, so the eMMC will become mmc1 |
| 16:33.05 | MrPingu | however when uSD is inserted that becomes mmc0, am I right?? |
| 16:33.20 | DocScrutinizer | in that "pathological" case, they are renamed later on |
| 16:33.38 | MrPingu | when uSD is inserted, some script swaps them back... |
| 16:34.00 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, you lag just a bit :-) |
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| 16:34.13 | MrPingu | sorry typing from N900 |
| 16:34.18 | DocScrutinizer | np :-) |
| 16:34.23 | MrPingu | Can't typ any faster :P |
| 16:35.13 | MrPingu | I get 200 kpm, only 100 less than on pc ;o |
| 16:36.34 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure I can get up to 300 on PC, but I think GeneralAntilles reached 450 on N900 ;-D |
| 16:36.48 | javispedro | those were the days |
| 16:36.53 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
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| 16:37.23 | MrPingu | I occasionaly go to tenfastfinger.com on N900 and do the test, just for fun :P |
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| 16:37.34 | DocScrutinizer | the legendary live transcription of lectures on maemo conference |
| 16:38.02 | MrPingu | well, I probably wasn't born in maemo world then :P |
| 16:38.05 | DocScrutinizer | hi javispedro btw |
| 16:38.15 | MrPingu | ow yeah, hi =) |
| 16:39.49 | javispedro | hello |
| 16:42.24 | DocScrutinizer | waves and heads out for a shower |
| 16:42.40 | MrPingu | bye |
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| 16:46.30 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, what's that in WPM? |
| 16:46.48 | DocScrutinizer | depends on the words, no? ;-D |
| 16:46.54 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, yeah. |
| 16:47.00 | GeneralAntilles | KPM is 1/5th of WPM |
| 16:47.05 | MrPingu | Around 80 I think |
| 16:47.15 | GeneralAntilles | So, yeah, I was averaging about 300 KPM on the N900. |
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| 16:47.35 | GeneralAntilles | 60 WPM |
| 16:47.47 | GeneralAntilles | N950 keyboard is nowhere near as fast. |
| 16:48.08 | MrPingu | just a matter of practice or isn't it as nice? |
| 16:48.15 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 16:48.19 | GeneralAntilles | The N950 keyboard sucks |
| 16:48.31 | GeneralAntilles | Plus the Harmattan text input framework is absolutely riddled with race bugs. |
| 16:48.35 | GeneralAntilles | Which makes for a lot of deleting. |
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| 16:49.22 | DocScrutinizer | the N950 kbd is really bad, it has no structure at all to feel where the keys start |
| 16:49.35 | DocScrutinizer | one flat surface |
| 16:50.12 | DocScrutinizer | so almost as useless for blind typing as a touchscreen vkbd |
| 16:51.19 | DocScrutinizer | another "optimization" that only is for the shiny look and ignoring usability |
| 16:51.33 | MrPingu | =( |
| 16:51.41 | DocScrutinizer | harmattan design is full of that |
| 16:51.46 | MrPingu | I can type blind on N900 and I love that |
| 16:51.51 | MrPingu | Words per minute (WPM) 50 |
| 16:52.10 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, blinding typing on the N900 rocks. |
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| 16:53.00 | MrPingu | awh typing is an addicive game ;o |
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| 16:55.06 | DocScrutinizer | typically you have such solutions all over the place on HARM: first look "WOW!", use with 10 items or for 10h "nice!", use with 100 items or for 100h "MEH what a crap" |
| 16:55.37 | MrPingu | xD |
| 16:55.45 | DocScrutinizer | targeted at occasional isers that want something to show off |
| 16:55.51 | DocScrutinizer | users* |
| 16:56.27 | MrPingu | Doc, you need some more typing practice? :P You're going great at typo's today :P |
| 16:56.47 | DocScrutinizer | already noticed my typing sucks today |
| 16:57.22 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not in best condition, seems I cought something yesterday that's impairing me |
| 16:58.03 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, now for real: shower time |
| 16:58.06 | DocScrutinizer | might help |
| 16:58.06 | MrPingu | ah parents yelling =/ Got to eat |
| 16:58.43 | DocScrutinizer | eating, also a great idea, seems I forgot about it for last 48h |
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| 17:07.31 | bcmm | i'm trying to reinforce the USB port - how do you remove the microsd card PCB? |
| 17:08.14 | bcmm | shown removed here; http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1073214&postcount=22 no mention of remove in disassembly guides i've read |
| 17:11.23 | SpeedEvil | dpc |
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| 17:11.27 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer |
| 17:13.12 | DocScrutinizer | pry off, doublesided sticky |
| 17:13.39 | DocScrutinizer | discard the sticky, either replace by new one or simply leave out completely on reassembly |
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| 17:14.40 | DocScrutinizer | or keep it if it survived without any damages like folding and sticking to blobs |
| 17:15.26 | DocScrutinizer | it's basically not exactly needed for device to work properly ;-) |
| 17:15.37 | bcmm | DocScrutinizer: thanks a lot |
| 17:15.41 | DocScrutinizer | YW |
| 17:16.04 | bcmm | was worried there could be a connector under there somewhere in addition to the ribbon cable |
| 17:16.11 | bcmm | that might get broken |
| 17:16.18 | DocScrutinizer | none |
| 17:16.45 | DocScrutinizer | just be careful about the ribbon, if it breaks it's a complete loss of device |
| 17:17.15 | DocScrutinizer | cna't get fixed or replaced |
| 17:17.59 | DocScrutinizer | well, you still could use the basic functions, but for sure no more uSD or cma LED |
| 17:18.04 | bcmm | DocScrutinizer: not just a loss of the uSD slot? |
| 17:18.05 | DocScrutinizer | cam* |
| 17:18.17 | bcmm | oh thanks |
| 17:18.48 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: hm, why can't it be fixed? |
| 17:18.53 | DocScrutinizer | magnet sensor for back cover also on satellite board IIRC |
| 17:19.16 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: part of PCB |
| 17:19.27 | kerio | oh, it's not detachable? |
| 17:19.29 | kerio | weird |
| 17:19.35 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 17:19.39 | SpeedEvil | The PCB has a flex-core |
| 17:19.40 | DocScrutinizer | very weird |
| 17:19.51 | SpeedEvil | as one of the PCB layers |
| 17:19.57 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 17:20.00 | SpeedEvil | it's exposed to form the flex connecot |
| 17:20.23 | bcmm | is it easy to break the ribbon cable? |
| 17:20.57 | DocScrutinizer | not that easy |
| 17:21.01 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/platine_01.jpeg |
| 17:21.18 | DocScrutinizer | it's rather obust I thik |
| 17:21.19 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: wait, didn't *you* break your ribbon cable? |
| 17:21.33 | DocScrutinizer | the flex cable to screen, not this one |
| 17:22.08 | DocScrutinizer | that friggin one has a B2B connector with a sandwich PCB and breaks way too easily |
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| 17:23.34 | bcmm | what sort of movements do i need to be aware of? |
| 17:24.21 | DocScrutinizer | just don't bend or pull it too much |
| 17:24.33 | bcmm | DocScrutinizer: can i straighten it? |
| 17:24.33 | DocScrutinizer | for sticky, I think you can see it there: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/n900_11.jpeg |
| 17:24.40 | bcmm | just trying to keep it away from the soldering iron |
| 17:24.41 | DocScrutinizer | yes sure |
| 17:25.32 | bcmm | thanks a lot for the advice - i've lost two usb ports before |
| 17:26.41 | DocScrutinizer | protect camera lens! |
| 17:27.29 | DocScrutinizer | (I'd say "remove cam module" but for sure you're missing the proper tool for that) |
| 17:27.33 | bcmm | DocScrutinizer: from the iron? i'll tape it i guess |
| 17:27.41 | bcmm | yeah i saw that in the service manual... |
| 17:27.41 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 17:28.21 | bcmm | i suppose one can't just pull it off with small fingers? |
| 17:29.14 | DocScrutinizer | cam? |
| 17:29.17 | DocScrutinizer | no way |
| 17:29.20 | DocScrutinizer | has latches |
| 17:30.19 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 17:30.34 | DocScrutinizer | just tape it |
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| 17:31.51 | DocScrutinizer | with thick layer of isolating material, either gaffer tape or (better) a layer of carton and scotchtape |
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| 18:12.49 | kakashi___ | is there a way to make sure the screen is locked, whenever I press it a bit longer (accidentally) it gets to customization comes on |
| 18:13.08 | kakashi___ | I just want to disable the customization part |
| 18:13.11 | kakashi___ | is there a way to do it? |
| 18:16.47 | MrPingu | You mean on desktop? |
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| 18:22.04 | MrPingu | If you have CSSU installed you can disable both, menu and desktop editmode |
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| 19:05.43 | kakashi___ | MrPingu: oh? from? |
| 19:05.56 | kakashi___ | MrPingu: is there a wiki or something? |
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| 19:33.25 | MrPingu | Still there? |
| 19:35.54 | MrPingu | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features#Features_that_are_configurable_with_gconf |
| 19:36.49 | MrPingu | or you can install cssu configuration to do it through GUI |
| 19:37.35 | MrPingu | Well I think you would understand, you need to have CSSU installed first. |
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| 19:55.12 | kakashi___ | MrPingu: thanks! |
| 20:13.51 | MrPingu | You're welcome! |
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| 21:07.06 | szopeen | fsck on device goes endless (26h of 100% of proc usage after EOF assumed msg) |
| 21:07.40 | szopeen | ubuntu after 2h said cannot create unique filename (no idea if I run this correctly) |
| 21:07.51 | szopeen | any hint how to fsck emmc remotely? |
| 21:09.49 | robbiethe1st | Use Backupmenu |
| 21:10.11 | szopeen | for usb rw mode and fsck remotely, or just restoring? |
| 21:10.18 | robbiethe1st | The former |
| 21:10.40 | szopeen | ok, how do i stop buntu from automounting? |
| 21:11.02 | szopeen | if I click on unmount icon, /dev/sdb is no longer available |
| 21:11.07 | robbiethe1st | Uh, don't know |
| 21:11.10 | robbiethe1st | I |
| 21:11.16 | robbiethe1st | I'd manually unmount |
| 21:11.19 | robbiethe1st | from the terminal |
| 21:11.39 | szopeen | sudo umount keeps Nokia N900 present in /media |
| 21:12.01 | szopeen | I assume the cannot unique message was because of readonly |
| 21:12.08 | szopeen | ad unmounting is tricky |
| 21:12.22 | szopeen | then using unmount icon makes even /dev not respond |
| 21:12.50 | szopeen | btw robbie: megaultra Thank YOU! |
| 21:13.04 | szopeen | backupmenu is THE shit |
| 21:13.41 | szopeen | saved me a lot of times |
| 21:13.48 | szopeen | awesome job |
| 21:13.52 | robbiethe1st | That's the goal. ;) |
| 21:14.27 | szopeen | seriously, other tools are handy, useful, this one is a necessithy |
| 21:14.39 | szopeen | cc*(?) whatevs |
| 21:15.08 | szopeen | btw... I did see someone mention you can flash a backupmenu backup |
| 21:15.13 | szopeen | is thatm true? |
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| 21:15.26 | robbiethe1st | You have to convert it to a UbiFS image. |
| 21:15.40 | szopeen | is there a tool? |
| 21:15.57 | szopeen | would make having the perfect setup so much more useful |
| 21:15.59 | robbiethe1st | It's possible, requires a Linux desktop and some time. The tools you need are in 'mtdutils'(?) package |
| 21:16.20 | robbiethe1st | The process is documented somewhere, but I forget where exactly |
| 21:16.25 | szopeen | possible with root/opt/emmc? |
| 21:16.38 | szopeen | to get fully same toy you backed up? |
| 21:16.47 | szopeen | (kernel hopefully included) |
| 21:18.20 | robbiethe1st | Nope; The easiest way I've found is to do it (semi)-manually: Use a clean flashable BM image(there's one linked in the first post) to get BM running |
| 21:18.42 | robbiethe1st | Run that, restore your OptFS, and use USB mode to transfer your MyDocs files over |
| 21:18.57 | szopeen | not when their RO though |
| 21:19.05 | szopeen | MyDocs* |
| 21:19.20 | robbiethe1st | The reason it's RO is because it's corrupt. |
| 21:19.33 | robbiethe1st | FSCKing will take care of that, or if not, you'll need to format it |
| 21:19.38 | szopeen | yup, flashing emmc seems the only way for me |
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| 21:19.54 | robbiethe1st | Eh, gparted works well enough |
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| 21:20.16 | tgalal | on scratchbox if I try to use the accounts API, as soon as I create a Manager instance I get "Manager could not be created. DB is locked". any idea ? |
| 21:20.28 | szopeen | gonna try that, remote fsck didn't maybe gparted will umount it correctly |
| 21:20.40 | robbiethe1st | Do note that BM doesn't require the eMMC to be in working condition, so you can always get to a BM prompt after screwing things up |
| 21:21.29 | szopeen | yeah I know, though after installing some lib6/libglib binaries it never even reaches BM |
| 21:21.46 | szopeen | maybe get those so BM always runs? |
| 21:22.08 | szopeen | No idea how BM bootup is done |
| 21:22.35 | szopeen | but if you could keep working copies of crit libs so BM is guaranteed to run... would be quite neat |
| 21:22.37 | robbiethe1st | I... don't think I can affect that. BM literally just interupts the standard Maemo boot process, so if the kernel/etc won't boot... |
| 21:23.09 | szopeen | load separate(working) libs required before fuckups? |
| 21:23.21 | szopeen | so you don't expect a working boot? |
| 21:23.41 | robbiethe1st | I don't know how to do that. BM is literally just a large shell-script. |
| 21:23.45 | szopeen | backupmenu would be a safe haven, allowing people to backup after crazy tries |
| 21:24.04 | robbiethe1st | I'd say backup /beforehand/. Not that hard... |
| 21:24.11 | szopeen | hmmm... compile qwith libc6BM and libglibBM statically? |
| 21:24.16 | szopeen | of course |
| 21:24.26 | robbiethe1st | And restoring with BM not working, while annoying, isn't that hard. |
| 21:24.26 | szopeen | just a discussion on possible improvement |
| 21:24.33 | szopeen | a secure start shell of sorts |
| 21:25.03 | szopeen | so you can get to BM even if maemo doesn't start |
| 21:25.03 | robbiethe1st | Well, why don't you look into that? I, honestly, don't know an aweful lot about in-depth boot process. |
| 21:25.11 | szopeen | would save many from reflash |
| 21:25.17 | robbiethe1st | I think there's a project to do something similar |
| 21:25.20 | szopeen | me neither |
| 21:25.25 | robbiethe1st | like 'rescue boot' or something |
| 21:25.31 | szopeen | yeah |
| 21:25.48 | szopeen | if you can load BM from rescue shell, no moire flashing required ever |
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| 21:26.45 | robbiethe1st | I think that's the idea, it even used BM in it. Literally a stripped-down Maemo image, on SD card or something |
| 21:27.15 | szopeen | or xxxBM.so on rootfs |
| 21:27.36 | szopeen | sd is more useful in case someone rm -rf... |
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| 21:27.55 | szopeen | but in case of incompatible lib, separate set of libs that gujarantee BM bootup would be enough |
| 21:28.25 | robbiethe1st | However, you have to worry about space, too... |
| 21:28.37 | robbiethe1st | I mean, most people have little enough rootfs space as it is |
| 21:28.45 | MrPingu | robbiethe1st, do you got plans to change BM to use framebuffer instead text2screen? |
| 21:28.47 | szopeen | that is true |
| 21:29.12 | robbiethe1st | No, not really. |
| 21:29.29 | robbiethe1st | I'm honestly busy in real life; so it's basically on life support |
| 21:29.41 | szopeen | do you know how much BM used .so's weigh? |
| 21:30.21 | szopeen | skipping thne effort for thumb2 it still should be a few megs |
| 21:30.23 | MrPingu | I see =) |
| 21:30.25 | robbiethe1st | No, I don't. Go to /usr/share/backupmenu, there's a file named 'extrafiles.zip' in there |
| 21:30.38 | szopeen | got the libs? |
| 21:30.44 | robbiethe1st | inside that, there's a text file with a list of libs it loads |
| 21:30.59 | robbiethe1st | everything reqired for the minimal chroot it loads into memory |
| 21:31.32 | szopeen | thanks |
| 21:31.51 | robbiethe1st | BTW, it's GPL... so feel free to mess with it, make your own program based off it, etc. |
| 21:33.00 | szopeen | nah, it only has commands like mountsd, mountroot, getlockcode |
| 21:33.26 | szopeen | sure thing robbie, was just discussing, hope not harrasing |
| 21:34.11 | robbiethe1st | You're looking for 'filelist.txt' |
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| 21:34.21 | robbiethe1st | It's not inside the bin folder inside the zip |
| 21:34.53 | NIN101 | <szopeen> so you can get to BM even if maemo doesn't start <-- if somebody is bored, take my rescue initrd and put backupmenu on it. |
| 21:35.15 | szopeen | no mention of libglib/libc6 |
| 21:35.29 | szopeen | probably some of the ones listed need it then |
| 21:35.43 | robbiethe1st | libc.so.6 is in there... |
| 21:36.23 | robbiethe1st | That's a complete list; that file is exactly all of the files that get loaded into a tmpfs-based chroot. |
| 21:36.45 | szopeen | correct, my bad, thought it was alphabetically |
| 21:37.00 | szopeen | wait... |
| 21:37.17 | szopeen | so modifying this list to get libcBM.so.6 etc |
| 21:37.23 | robbiethe1st | I think it's in a list sorted by 'whichever file I found first via ldd' |
| 21:37.32 | robbiethe1st | Yes, you could do that |
| 21:37.33 | szopeen | would make it load on bootup unlikely to be borked libs? |
| 21:37.41 | szopeen | awesome |
| 21:38.04 | szopeen | time for even more butchering it seems :D |
| 21:38.08 | robbiethe1st | Well, remember there are two parts to BM: the loader, which runs from the actual rootfs; that file copies this list of files into ram |
| 21:38.30 | robbiethe1st | Then it chroots into it, running the main program, which then unmounts all the actual disk filesystems |
| 21:38.38 | robbiethe1st | and gives you the menu etc. |
| 21:39.36 | szopeen | Sure, if we fsck up loading rootfs it won't run |
| 21:39.43 | szopeen | or did I miss something else? |
| 21:40.20 | robbiethe1st | Yea |
| 21:40.37 | robbiethe1st | Of course, if you can get it to start another way... |
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| 21:41.05 | szopeen | NIN101 mentioned some initrd rescue |
| 21:41.15 | szopeen | haven't yet looked at it |
| 21:41.34 | szopeen | maybe it will provide safe 'up to loading rootfs' part |
| 21:41.41 | szopeen | this would be cool |
| 21:41.43 | NIN101 | not maybe |
| 21:41.57 | szopeen | :DDD |
| 21:42.02 | szopeen | even better then |
| 21:42.07 | NIN101 | but it would be better to directly integrate it , it would also reduce BM's codesize. |
| 21:42.23 | szopeen | unbrickable backup(menu) |
| 21:42.28 | robbiethe1st | Go ahead! |
| 21:42.34 | szopeen | to a degree at least |
| 21:42.48 | MrPingu | We also have recovery console from pali |
| 21:43.08 | robbiethe1st | Was that the old one? |
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| 21:43.34 | NIN101 | it depends on bootmenu too, it is toast when maemo is toast. |
| 21:43.37 | MrPingu | I mean that one is a bit multibootfriendlier than BM |
| 21:44.01 | NIN101 | (or at least libc6, preinit, you naem it) |
| 21:44.08 | szopeen | is there untoastable solution? |
| 21:44.31 | NIN101 | the initrd? |
| 21:44.34 | robbiethe1st | We already have it: It's called the USB Flasher interface |
| 21:44.47 | szopeen | for which you need second device |
| 21:44.49 | robbiethe1st | No matter what we screw up, we can reflash the rootfs. |
| 21:45.03 | szopeen | kind of ROM flasher |
| 21:45.09 | szopeen | for no USB required |
| 21:45.26 | szopeen | somehow set those to rooot who noone has password and can change that |
| 21:45.32 | robbiethe1st | So? take a LiveUSB with you, plug it into some public computer, fix the problem and get out before someone wonders what you're up to. ;) |
| 21:45.44 | szopeen | I have 2 N900 |
| 21:45.54 | szopeen | I heard someone did flash one with another |
| 21:46.16 | szopeen | still, having a boot no matter how much you fked up option is nice |
| 21:46.54 | robbiethe1st | To be honest, though... I'd just follow the rule of "No upgrades when away from home" |
| 21:46.55 | szopeen | flashing in a inet cafe with viruessed as hell xp's is not best option |
| 21:47.34 | robbiethe1st | You aren't going to destroy your rootfs by accident; optfs on the other hand... |
| 21:47.34 | szopeen | so you still treat your computer as expecting another computer around to fix |
| 21:48.08 | szopeen | do you treat your desktop as: as long as I have my N900 in my pocket to flash it it is ok? |
| 21:48.20 | NIN101 | another option: u-boot |
| 21:48.23 | robbiethe1st | Yes, though in the case of a PC, the 'other system' is simply the same device with a USB Live drive or CD |
| 21:48.24 | szopeen | it offers choices |
| 21:48.27 | NIN101 | and a second us with the ability to mount maemo rootfs. |
| 21:48.32 | NIN101 | s/us/os |
| 21:48.39 | robbiethe1st | That's the real difference - the N900 won't boot off a CD or Flash drive |
| 21:49.07 | szopeen | yeah, that is an issue |
| 21:49.21 | szopeen | boot from hen (hell, we didn't plan hen fu) |
| 21:49.47 | szopeen | it is a bit slave device in this context |
| 21:50.17 | robbiethe1st | Yes, it is. It's not designed to replace a full PC, but it can be a good adjunct to one. |
| 21:50.45 | szopeen | it would bwe nice to have BM-like ROM/bios whatever you call it |
| 21:50.53 | szopeen | to offer flash from usb stick |
| 21:51.09 | robbiethe1st | U-boot might be able to do that |
| 21:51.33 | szopeen | pali's uboot? |
| 21:51.34 | robbiethe1st | It runs on the kernel portion of the NAND flash, so it should be /slightly/ more robust |
| 21:52.11 | robbiethe1st | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_U-Boot |
| 21:52.32 | szopeen | nicht schiessen |
| 21:52.39 | robbiethe1st | Pali may be maintaining the port for Maemo, but it's a bigger project than just this |
| 21:52.40 | szopeen | torpedoen shcootazen |
| 21:53.01 | szopeen | oh wait... that was das boot |
| 21:53.14 | szopeen | is it really called das uboot?? |
| 21:53.16 | szopeen | lol |
| 21:54.12 | szopeen | so, robbie, going to BM now, go into rw mode |
| 21:54.30 | szopeen | connecting this to a liniux desktop and fsck could work? |
| 21:54.58 | szopeen | or is formatting the only way? |
| 21:55.09 | robbiethe1st | Try |
| 21:55.12 | szopeen | if you got any tips pls share |
| 21:55.24 | robbiethe1st | But after getting your files off, I /would/ reformat |
| 21:55.30 | szopeen | just umounting and fsck -a? |
| 21:55.34 | robbiethe1st | Yes |
| 21:55.42 | szopeen | ok, wish me luck |
| 21:55.47 | robbiethe1st | And then you can format the same way, from your Ubuntu desktop |
| 21:55.57 | szopeen | okie |
| 21:56.21 | szopeen | cya guys, and NIN101 talk with you later I hope about a robust recovery module |
| 21:56.41 | szopeen | so we do't count on desktops when things go awry |
| 21:56.50 | NIN101 | my solution needs desktop |
| 21:56.56 | szopeen | ? |
| 21:57.23 | szopeen | we'll work something out, natively biosly run hen for usb startup |
| 21:57.27 | szopeen | or something |
| 21:57.38 | NIN101 | a kernel and initrd, loaded into RAM, using flasher. That's it. works. |
| 21:57.39 | szopeen | we need to free ourselves from pc |
| 21:57.43 | NIN101 | you need |
| 21:57.47 | NIN101 | I don't :-). |
| 21:57.52 | szopeen | everyone does |
| 21:58.06 | szopeen | to have full control experience |
| 21:58.08 | szopeen | cyas |
| 21:58.30 | MrPingu | I would love to see a PC-free recovery |
| 21:58.55 | MrPingu | but I don't need it, but it would be handy ;) |
| 22:00.41 | NIN101 | as said: u-boot + another OS on sdcard then |
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| 23:48.24 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: duh, BM now became a binary? |
