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| 09:06.46 | Pali | X-Fade, I uploaded new version of kernel-power, autobuilder compiled it, but not imported to extras-devel |
| 09:07.40 | Pali | see http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/ and https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/kernel-power_2.6.28-10power50/ |
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| 10:14.57 | BCMM | i've just been restoring backups to my new n900, and i can't seem to make Catorise work |
| 10:15.16 | BCMM | it says "unable to install catorise", though it does then appear on the list of installed programs |
| 10:15.27 | BCMM | then when i try to update, it's "unable to update catorise" |
| 10:16.25 | Sicelo | i don't recall if HAM has some error log, but i suppose so - check that, maybe paste it somewhere :/ |
| 10:17.22 | Hurrian|TWGOK | uhh, catorise replaces some system files |
| 10:17.31 | Hurrian|TWGOK | i dont think nokia backup backs that up |
| 10:17.40 | teotwaki | It doesn't. |
| 10:17.50 | teotwaki | apt-get remove --purge catorise |
| 10:17.53 | teotwaki | then reinstall it. |
| 10:18.10 | teotwaki | or simply apt-get --reinstall install catorise |
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| 10:23.45 | MohammadAG | teotwaki: crashanddie? |
| 10:23.56 | teotwaki | MohammadAG: aye |
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| 10:33.32 | BCMM | Hurrian|TWGOK: yeah, i'm just trying to install it from HAM now |
| 10:33.36 | BCMM | i just tried apt-get install |
| 10:33.39 | BCMM | "Can't locate Locale/gettext.pm in @INC" |
| 10:34.09 | BCMM | in the "setting up" phase |
| 10:34.14 | psycho_oreos | perl modules missing? |
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| 10:34.41 | psycho_oreos | fyi, catorise-plus > catorise |
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| 10:36.45 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: same error with catorise-plus |
| 10:37.07 | teotwaki | MohammadAG: why? surprised? |
| 10:37.25 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, you got perl installed? |
| 10:37.49 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: don't know, actually |
| 10:37.58 | BCMM | i forgot to keep a list of packages from backup time |
| 10:38.04 | BCMM | because i forgot that only some packages go on the app list |
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| 10:38.28 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, funnily enough HAM should auto-install dependencies.. can't see how or why it wouldn't install perl when its needed for catorise |
| 10:38.38 | BCMM | i have perl, -base, -modules and libsdl-perl |
| 10:39.09 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: i have CSSU and a slightly odd apt configuration i should probably mention |
| 10:39.49 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, define slightly odd apt configuration? my N900 also has a slightly odd apt configuration as well lol |
| 10:39.53 | BCMM | i have extras-devel enabled and a preferences file so that -devel versions do not take priority over -testing versions except for a few applications (basically, stuff i've developing) |
| 10:40.04 | BCMM | i restored the backup before putting my preferences file back |
| 10:40.19 | BCMM | so i probably have more -devel stuff than i did when i backed up |
| 10:41.28 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: is it safe to remove and reinstall perl? |
| 10:41.33 | BCMM | or does dpkg depend on it somehow? |
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| 10:42.03 | psycho_oreos | in my apt configuration, I don't have that preferences part setup, I have had catorise for awhile and catorise-gui came about.. installed that and been using it for awhile.. I think it was sometime within CSSU or before CSSU came about that catorise-plus was out |
| 10:42.30 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, afaik dpkg shouldn't depend on it, but I'd use apt-get to remove it as it will warn you of dependencies |
| 10:42.33 | Sicelo | uses only devel stuff - of course, i don't install everything that's out there |
| 10:43.04 | psycho_oreos | I also mainly use devel repository on my N900 |
| 10:43.18 | BCMM | Sicelo: thing is, some people quite reasonably just push stuff to -devel without even testing it |
| 10:43.37 | BCMM | since that's how you test it... |
| 10:45.06 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, this might enlighten you: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1129285&postcount=248 |
| 10:47.10 | psycho_oreos | I would still highly recommend catorise-plus as it not only integrates catorise-gui well with catorise but also provides one more missing functionality that distinctively (imo) differentiated between catorise and mymenu. The missing functionality was custom `folder' icons |
| 10:47.25 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: like i said: tried it; same error |
| 10:47.28 | BCMM | will try it though |
| 10:47.41 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, have you tried my link in regards to that perl issue? |
| 10:47.56 | MohammadAG | teotwaki: No, why would I be surprised? I just thought some d****'s using your nick |
| 10:48.02 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: yeah |
| 10:48.17 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: is either actively maintained? you'd think a missing dep known since november would be fixed |
| 10:48.31 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, still no dice even after installing that? |
| 10:48.45 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: how fast is your n900 :) |
| 10:49.11 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, afaik catorise probably isn't maintained.. catorise-gui is definitely un-maintained (I lodged a bug ages ago and I never heard a word back from the author) |
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| 10:49.45 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, rather slow but its not like I care (normal frequency settings + debug mode + R&D mode) |
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| 10:50.04 | BCMM | what i mean is, am trying now |
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| 10:52.29 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: wee. new error. |
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| 10:52.54 | BCMM | oh, didn't happen on reinstall |
| 10:55.05 | BCMM | yay, catagories! thanks psycho_oreos |
| 10:55.49 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, heh nw, but you should really thank that bloke in tmo whom pointed out exactly which deb file to install. I personally have never encountered this issue before |
| 10:57.59 | teotwaki | MohammadAG: /whois teotwaki |
| 10:58.23 | MohammadAG | Yeah, did that after you replied :p |
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| 11:01.42 | BCMM | how does debian handle file collisions? |
| 11:02.04 | BCMM | i mean, what's the cleanest way for me to make a package the replaces all the files owned by hildon-welcome-default-logo? |
| 11:03.59 | BCMM | oh wait they have a nice .d system so i don't have to nm |
| 11:04.21 | MohammadAG | BCMM: dpkg-divert |
| 11:04.52 | BCMM | MohammadAG: thanks i'll look that up |
| 11:05.13 | BCMM | now, why is this channel more helpful that #debian for this sort of thing? |
| 11:06.02 | MohammadAG | Heh |
| 11:06.13 | gomiam | BCMM: because you were lucky here and found someone knowledgeable paying attention? |
| 11:06.19 | MohammadAG | BCMM: The cssu installer is an example |
| 11:06.42 | BCMM | MohammadAG: hmm, is that a think that you can do in a package? |
| 11:06.42 | gomiam | BCMM: you should remember that, even though it looks like it, IRC does not guarantee instant attention ;) |
| 11:06.59 | BCMM | gomiam: i know. i'm considering multiple events in this opinion |
| 11:07.18 | gomiam | BCMM: oh, my excuses then |
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| 11:07.40 | BCMM | MohammadAG: i should probably say what i'm actually doing. i'm trying to package a boot video to give me and anybody else who wants it a simple way to get rid of those accursed nokia hands |
| 11:08.34 | BCMM | now, they have a directory.d system such that i could just have it installed alongside and one can remove hildon-welcome-default-logo if one wants to |
| 11:08.43 | BCMM | but there's no way to trigger that packages uninstall is there? |
| 11:09.02 | BCMM | i mean, i could say they can't both exist on the system but that just means you'd get an error on install |
| 11:09.47 | MohammadAG | BCMM: Line 40 |
| 11:09.48 | MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/community-ssu-enabler/blobs/master/debian/postinst |
| 11:11.03 | BCMM | MohammadAG: ah, thanks |
| 11:11.27 | BCMM | so now i have the option of doing things the right way or the easy way that just gets rid of hte hands |
| 11:11.56 | MohammadAG | BCMM: You can't install or uninstall packages from within a package |
| 11:12.14 | MohammadAG | Theres conflicts but ham overrides them |
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| 11:12.25 | BCMM | yeah, makes sense |
| 11:12.33 | MohammadAG | That's why the cssu installer needed the user to click an icon |
| 11:12.57 | BCMM | i guess probably best to install alongside and show a message saying you can remove the default one |
| 11:13.08 | BCMM | iirc, if there are two videos properly installed they are played sequentially |
| 11:13.48 | BCMM | btw, is there a reason nobody else seems to have package boot videos? the use of a /etc/hildon-welcome.d/ directory looks designed to accept vids in packages |
| 11:14.58 | MohammadAG | There's a config file you have to edit |
| 11:15.21 | BCMM | i assumed from the .d at the end of the dir that you could just put more config files in the directory |
| 11:15.43 | BCMM | isn't that what .d usually means? |
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| 11:15.53 | BCMM | i guess i should just test |
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| 11:17.42 | MohammadAG | Ah right, afaik they play one after the other |
| 11:34.42 | BCMM | MohammadAG: tested. it does indeed |
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| 11:42.12 | Sicelo | doesn't that slow down boot process somewhat? |
| 11:44.15 | MohammadAG | A lot |
| 11:44.16 | MohammadAG | Rather than continuing the boot provess while a video's playing it waits for hildon-welcome to return |
| 11:44.17 | MohammadAG | Process |
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| 12:00.18 | BCMM | MohammadAG: yeah, that annoys me quite a lot |
| 12:00.47 | BCMM | given that the DSP is decoding hte video there are probably enough processor cycles left to load the desktop in the background |
| 12:00.58 | BCMM | does removing the video totally speed things up much compared to keeping the default one? |
| 12:01.19 | teotwaki | (gomiam) BCMM: because you were lucky here and found a bored student with too much time on his hands? << Fixed. |
| 12:01.25 | Sicelo | it appears so -- i disabled the video on mine |
| 12:02.06 | gomiam | teotwaki: XD |
| 12:02.44 | gomiam | teotwaki: beware of assuming, it makes an ass of u and me ;) |
| 12:03.32 | teotwaki | actually, it makes an ass out of u and some chinese dude called Ming. |
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| 12:12.42 | BCMM | teotwaki: "some guy"? he was am emperor! |
| 12:12.46 | BCMM | s/am/an/ |
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| 12:24.20 | x29a | anybody know, which environment an application, that gets called via a desktop shortcut, gets executed? |
| 12:24.30 | x29a | fremantle on an n900 |
| 12:25.28 | x29a | urg, seems to be / |
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| 12:34.27 | BCMM | x29a: pretty sure it's the same as from the menu |
| 12:34.49 | Lantizia | Lo, if I no longer care about GSM/3G functionality on my N900 - i.e. I just want Wi-Fi like the 770/N800/N810 had... what other OS would you recommend and can I install a linux distro directly on to it without preserving maemo? |
| 12:35.06 | Lantizia | basically I'm looking for a tiny arm-based PC with linux on it to sit on my desk |
| 12:35.42 | BCMM | x29a: specifically, i believe that /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh is responsible for setting up much of the env |
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| 13:04.35 | x29a | BCMM: my data ended up in /data, allthough the app is located in /opt/program/bin and there is a /opt/program/data. its only for testing purposes, so its ok, a quit ln -s solved the issue for me =) |
| 13:17.08 | Sicelo | Lantizia: you can experiment without really killing maemo. i boot Debian Wheezy on mine. wifi works excellent |
| 13:17.45 | Lantizia | i won't need maemo after this - just want to use the 256mb area to boot... and the internal mmc to act as rootfs |
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| 13:18.34 | Sicelo | oh - i dunno about that, or the advisability of it |
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| 13:43.20 | jargon- | what would be the best way for me to install newsbeuter on my n900? it's not in the repos which means either build from source or install a .deb? |
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| 14:02.14 | lartza_ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12387 I tried compiling package with the telepathy-gabble_0.13.5-0maemo1.dsc in the scratchbox |
| 14:02.16 | povbot | 04Bug 12387: broken audio/video gtalk calls |
| 14:02.22 | lartza_ | but it requires glib 2.24 |
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| 14:20.12 | andre__ | lartza_: comment on the bug report or ask Pali directly here? :) |
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| 14:26.31 | lartza_ | seems to me that upgrading telepathy-gabble from 0.8 would require upgrading telepathy-glib0 too, which then would force updating telepathy-whatever |
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| 14:28.36 | lartza_ | which require newer glib, and so on. so it looks like xmpp/jingle calls are broken for "a while" (or requires some amount of voodoo) |
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| 15:28.42 | Macer | wow |
| 15:29.03 | Macer | wifi tethering the n900 destroys the battery life :) |
| 15:29.49 | Macer | battery eye has a line going like 88 degrees |
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| 15:44.43 | Pali | ping X-Fade |
| 15:46.10 | Sicelo | lol |
| 15:46.21 | Sicelo | of course it does. |
| 15:46.30 | pwet | hello, i'm not sure i'm at the right place to ask this question, in an updated fedora 16, is it expected to not be able to use the module cdc_eem but only cdc_ether with my n900? even after having tried to fight with udev |
| 15:46.47 | Sicelo | that's why i inested in a proper wlan ap |
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| 15:47.14 | Sicelo | s/ine/inve/ |
| 15:48.28 | pwet | my kernel version is 3.2.9 if that helps |
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| 15:51.28 | Sicelo | first time i see a cdc_eem module. |
| 15:54.04 | pwet | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/n900#After_Boot and http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Tips_and_Tricks/N900_USB_Networking#Host_configuration_on_Debian_Lenny |
| 15:54.26 | pwet | they tell clearly to replace any reference to cdc_ether to cdc_eem |
| 15:56.24 | pwet | in the second link, at the end of the page, there's a fedora 13 section, with only cdc_eem |
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| 17:12.36 | RST38h | Meanwhile: The iPad 3 contains an 11,560mAh battery, the first take-apart of the third-generation Apple tablet has revealed. |
| 17:12.52 | wmarone__ | ginormous |
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