| 00:00.08 | szoppin | ok... |
| 00:00.16 | Hurrian | once we confirm that all stuff works with new libglib, we can patch libglib to expose old interfaces to old, closed programs |
| 00:00.16 | szoppin | would this pproach work? |
| 00:00.35 | Hurrian | then once that works, totally replace old libglib with new one |
| 00:00.42 | szoppin | we could use marmistrz repo for all things maemo repo blocks |
| 00:01.03 | szoppin | not sure if autobuilder can be added to it for ease of use |
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| 00:01.51 | szoppin | but would make this almost transparent for participants |
| 00:02.04 | szoppin | just change sources list |
| 00:02.37 | Hurrian | actually, i'd use linaro's gcc for this |
| 00:02.59 | szoppin | we need to get aapo, his experience and fight with maemo autobuilder would come in handy |
| 00:03.19 | szoppin | he is the guy behind idea update this shit, just how |
| 00:04.40 | szoppin | we would still probably face some closed thingie complaining but ldlibrarypath to older version could possibly alleviate that |
| 00:05.11 | szoppin | then again libc6/glib are quite connected... worth a try though definitely |
| 00:06.13 | szoppin | Hurrian: could you think of a plan or something like it, steps to check if assertion works |
| 00:06.38 | szoppin | few tests to tell if this doesn't fail by unexpected reasons |
| 00:06.56 | szoppin | I would be more than happy to carry those out and report |
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| 00:08.03 | szoppin | if first results come back positive, this definitely deserves an epic thread in TMO |
| 00:08.27 | szoppin | and hope people will join to test all case scenarios |
| 00:10.54 | szoppin | having new libs for new stuff while keeping old versions for the ncompatible... sounds like few mb of opt to sacrifice for having up to date device |
| 00:11.13 | szoppin | would be revolution |
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| 00:12.59 | szoppin | one test I can come up is... get a newer libc requiring app. use latest precise or so to ldlibrarypath... oh wait |
| 00:13.17 | szoppin | you'd need the full package with it |
| 00:13.37 | szoppin | c6/glib and will cry kernel too old, no? |
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| 00:14.36 | szoppin | kernel still seems like 'required' part |
| 00:15.34 | szoppin | getting current libs to work on newer one and this approach should be good to go |
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| 00:23.46 | szoppin | gn |
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| 00:45.51 | Hurrian | szop|zzz: patched the 2.6.37 kernel with pali's fremantle support patch |
| 00:46.00 | Hurrian | building now. |
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| 01:48.33 | Hurrian | we have a problem here |
| 01:48.45 | Hurrian | building 2.6.37 produces 100+ MB of modules |
| 01:48.47 | Hurrian | ugh |
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| 05:31.40 | psychologe | i compiled and make install Nmap 5.61TEST5 on my N900,,but it is't work. nmap --iflist ,output:INTERFACES: NONE FOUND(!) ,ROUTES: NONE FOUND(!) |
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| 07:50.48 | ketas | hmm, 0xffff works fine with n900? |
| 07:53.41 | psycho_oreos | in what way? |
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| 08:04.20 | szop|zzz | Hurrian: 100mb? ouch... can get around 110 optifying fresh flash, and compression should do the rest |
| 08:05.25 | szop | Hurrian: then again we will be overwriting, so some extra space from old modules, should be doable |
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| 08:11.55 | Hurrian | szop: uhh, turns out i left kernel debugging ON |
| 08:11.59 | Hurrian | if i turn it OFF |
| 08:12.05 | Hurrian | i can't see jack shit booting maemo |
| 08:12.21 | Hurrian | actually, it hangs starting sgx |
| 08:12.38 | Hurrian | garbled display, and it never actually loads any modules |
| 08:14.12 | szop | :/ |
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| 08:23.35 | ketas | psycho_oreos: that was question |
| 08:23.44 | ketas | psycho_oreos: if it works fine now |
| 08:24.54 | psycho_oreos | ketas, I have not used it for flashing however I do recall PaulFertser pointed me out a newer (git based) of 0xFFFF which should work with N900. I have not tested it out and I cannot recall what PaulFertser said specifically about that git version |
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| 08:26.04 | psycho_oreos | the last time I used 0xFFFF was to only extract img files off myriads of images and the results were ugly. I later realised if I used the standard nokia flasher tool to extract those img files, it does the extraction more cleanly (without question marks or some weird characters in filenames) |
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| 08:40.13 | szopin_ | Hurrian: maybe try with sgx from 12.04? |
| 08:43.20 | Lykkepillen | So I'm looking at the overclocking page http://wiki.maemo.org/Overclocking and have decided to overclock my N900 - When i look at the AppManager, it seems that Titan don't want his kernel out there anymore.. Is thi because theres an issue with it? |
| 08:44.38 | psycho_oreos | titan stopped maintaining it, pali is the new maintainer for power-kernel (he also maintains a few other projects as well) |
| 08:45.13 | Lykkepillen | Then how do i download palis kernel? |
| 08:46.24 | psycho_oreos | he probably lost interest in tinkering with N900 altogether, pali prior to acquiring maintainership from titan tried desperately to get a hold of titan via email but titan never responded and it later somewhat became an unanimous decision to elect pali as the new maintainer with or without titan's consent |
| 08:46.38 | psycho_oreos | its available in the usual repositories |
| 08:47.43 | Lykkepillen | So should i use Palis or Titans version? My N900 is really old so i don't think it needs a lot of new stuff (unless It's all software based ofc) |
| 08:48.42 | psycho_oreos | pali would be the heavily recommended version.. I don't think you can obtain titan's version anymore unless you specifically imply that you wanted titan's version |
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| 08:55.13 | Lykkepillen | I just still only see the "Enchanced Linux kernel for power users (obsolete)" -Please REMOVE this package. |
| 08:57.27 | psycho_oreos | probably the proper one is further down the list.. I don't know I only install it through command line (more advanced) and if needed be use FAM to do necessary updates |
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| 08:59.52 | Lykkepillen | apt-get [What]? |
| 09:00.30 | Lykkepillen | And Palis version just called Enchanced Linux kernel as well? |
| 09:01.08 | psycho_oreos | pretty certain the last time I checked |
| 09:01.42 | Lykkepillen | Okay here we go - Linux kernel for power user & Linux kernel for power user (setting and overclock) |
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| 09:07.19 | lartza_ | I'm wondering if there'll be cssu updates to telepathy-*, specifically -gabble. I'd like to make calls between empathy, n900 & n9 through my own ejabberd |
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| 09:08.24 | pigeon | what is the process on the n900 that monitors Xorg and reboot if Xorg dies? |
| 09:08.26 | lartza_ | this might be related https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12387 |
| 09:08.27 | povbot | 04Bug 12387: broken audio/video gtalk calls |
| 09:08.59 | StyXman | svn update |
| 09:09.02 | StyXman | err... |
| 09:09.25 | StyXman | this double monitor thing< i can't get used to it :) |
| 09:12.09 | Hurrian | hmm, how long has titan been MIA? |
| 09:12.21 | Hurrian | power46 was quite some time ago |
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| 09:26.01 | pigeon | hmm seems not |
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| 09:30.36 | pigeon | ah, found, perhaps it's the -r in dsmetool |
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| 09:54.01 | Lykkepillen | psycho_oreos You got a page of commands somewhere? |
| 09:54.20 | veer | hello |
| 09:54.45 | veer | koi h |
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| 10:03.53 | Lykkepillen | psycho_oreos Okay i found it myself. Is your device OC? And should i try some undervolting or is that just a waste? |
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| 10:06.36 | ketas | psycho_oreos: sad, why nokia just didn't make flasher open too |
| 10:11.54 | Lykkepillen | Anything wrong with setting the min and max MHz values to 125 - 850? |
| 10:14.47 | ketas | i'm just reading about why min freq setting is bad :) |
| 10:15.06 | psycho_oreos | Lykkepillen, no mine is never overclocked. I'm sure you know the reason why I don't overclock (on these particular devices) |
| 10:16.21 | psycho_oreos | ketas, that's nokia for you, they're paranoid about their ideas being copied/manipulated in the way that it would work against them. Or really just to prevent us from brewing our own images like android ROMs for instance |
| 10:17.11 | Lykkepillen | sycho_oreos Yea i get it if you regularly use the device, but i just want som fun with it before it dies :) - ketas You find anything? The default setting is 125 - 600 but when i set it to 'ideal' it goes to 500 - 850.. It seems like It's just a waste to keep it at 500 when it can be as low as 125? |
| 10:17.42 | psycho_oreos | s/never overclocked/abides the typical frequency settings/ |
| 10:18.17 | ketas | doh, making technology so closed that it defeats the main reason of it's existence! |
| 10:18.55 | psycho_oreos | Lykkepillen, there's probably users with overclocked devices, again I'm going to point out that overclocking further may most likely shorten your device's life sporadically compared to leaving how it is with the way things are\ |
| 10:19.47 | psycho_oreos | ketas, unfortunately, greed exists in humans. Otherwise we'd all be living in utopia where we would probably be far more technologically advanced than where we are right now |
| 10:20.16 | psycho_oreos | err probably everyday users with overclocked devices* |
| 10:21.29 | Lykkepillen | Yea i get that but i don't care that much for my N900 anymore, I haven't been using it for over a year so.. I just want it to prove what It's worth without breaking it the first week at least |
| 10:22.15 | ketas | you want to deliberately harm poor little n900 |
| 10:22.28 | ketas | :( |
| 10:22.53 | Lykkepillen | I just wanna have some fun? :/ |
| 10:23.13 | ketas | give it a hug instead |
| 10:23.59 | Lykkepillen | Then my Galaxy S2 might get jealous |
| 10:24.04 | psycho_oreos | unfortunately I don't know what would be the best settings and thankfully I won't be assisting you any further into overclocking your device to end its life quickly. Theres myriads of other functions within N900 that you can use without having to further reduce its already reduced life yet you chose to end it quickly\ |
| 10:25.27 | Lykkepillen | Dont worry i don't directly harm it - I just want the option to overclock it if i need it at some point - I wont be loading the overclock setting by default :) |
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| 10:26.49 | psycho_oreos | shakes head in dismay and continues watching anime whilst checking to see how his N900 is going |
| 10:27.17 | ketas | Lykkepillen: i can feel it's pain |
| 10:27.44 | Lykkepillen | You guys make me feel bad about it.. |
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| 10:29.58 | ketas | http://cdn.theunlockr.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/N900-1700mhz.jpg |
| 10:31.31 | psycho_oreos | if you haven't explored the full capabilities of a linux distro sitting on top of a handheld hardware that has cellular capability, that has wlan/bt/fm_transreceiver/gps/accelerometer/light_sensor/LED_customisation capability, that has loads of storage space (plus the option to further expand its internal space), then you truly would never understand that its hard to put down a N900.. Hopefully someday you'll find something interesting but it appea |
| 10:31.31 | psycho_oreos | rs to work only for N900 and then you'll realise your own pitfalls |
| 10:31.47 | ketas | ( http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=605523&postcount=90 ) |
| 10:31.49 | psycho_oreos | and android doesn't count here fyi |
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| 10:32.53 | ketas | anyone has n950? :) |
| 10:33.23 | ketas | btw |
| 10:33.55 | ketas | since i looked up specifications for n900, i've always worried about that flash swap |
| 10:34.02 | pigeon | hmm, tried changing the dsmetool -r into a -t, but it's still resetting the n900 when xorg dies. |
| 10:34.53 | ketas | maybe that should be moved out to replaceable media?! |
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| 10:39.09 | Lykkepillen | I actually bought my N900 because of the keyboard and the FM transmitter, but when i got tired of the keyboard i kinda lost interest in the thing.. I'm not a Linux guy (servers excluded) so i guess I'm not the idea user for the N900 at all |
| 10:39.42 | bazik | heya, i've read somewhere that it's possible to disable the 'themeing' for certain applications (e.g. wireshark), so that they appear in their original gui... but i didnt bookmark that guide, anyone got a hint? (n900) |
| 10:39.59 | Lykkepillen | -Now i just want to have some fun with it since it has no SIM card and no really purpose. So I'm open for ideas if you guys got any beside overclocking it |
| 10:46.38 | ketas | bazik: what's "original" gui` |
| 10:46.41 | ketas | bazik: ? |
| 10:47.09 | ketas | Lykkepillen: you can sell it |
| 10:47.38 | ketas | Lykkepillen: it's interesting small device really, as psycho_oreos said |
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| 10:48.45 | FluxiFlax2023 | finally got rid of that piece of overprice shit called N900..WTF..FUCK YOU ALL MOTHERFUCKERS if you like MAEMO and it's crappy apps |
| 10:48.56 | ketas | Lykkepillen: what |
| 10:48.57 | bazik | ketas: well, on some applications, the gui gets 'rewritten', like file open dialogs. and this breaks some apps. |
| 10:48.59 | ketas | err |
| 10:49.14 | ketas | s/Lykkepillen: // |
| 10:49.19 | bazik | ketas: with original, i mean the native GTK or QT gui, 1:1 from the desktop app |
| 10:50.08 | Lykkepillen | Sorry but i have no idea what your s/ means :/ |
| 10:50.49 | ketas | substition |
| 10:50.49 | Lykkepillen | And a N900 is going for like 100$ where i live.. It's really not worth selling |
| 10:50.58 | ketas | used in many places |
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| 10:51.18 | ketas | hmm, n900 makes nice standalone security camera, for example |
| 10:51.33 | ketas | it could make stream player |
| 10:51.50 | ketas | a portable gps tracker device |
| 10:51.53 | ketas | for whatever |
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| 10:52.27 | Lykkepillen | I got 2 thumb sized cameras for security and my Samsung got GPS :/ |
| 10:53.37 | ketas | hmm |
| 10:53.51 | ketas | well you can find use for it |
| 10:53.53 | ketas | :P |
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| 10:54.50 | ShadowJK | im actually trying to buy spare n900s atm |
| 10:55.03 | Lykkepillen | The best thing i could come up with was to use it as a remote when i couldn't find the one that came with my TV - But i have to stand up for the IR to reach the TV now :/ |
| 10:55.07 | ketas | hmm, why ShadowJK is like familiar nick |
| 10:55.13 | ketas | pokes ShadowJK |
| 10:55.19 | Lykkepillen | Where do you live ShadowJK? |
| 10:55.53 | ShadowJK | finland |
| 10:56.16 | Lykkepillen | I don't think i want to be shipping internationally sorry :P |
| 10:56.17 | ketas | nokialand |
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| 10:56.46 | lartza_ | cheapest are ~100e in huuto.net |
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| 10:57.02 | pyhimys | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.29 | ShadowJK | you're in norway? |
| 10:57.32 | ketas | hmm was 168 eur too much for mine? |
| 10:57.41 | ketas | looked ok |
| 10:57.42 | ShadowJK | guesses on nick |
| 10:58.03 | Lykkepillen | Denmark |
| 10:58.06 | Lykkepillen | :P |
| 10:58.40 | Lykkepillen | Mine's does not exactly look brand new.. |
| 10:59.21 | Lykkepillen | Anyway I'm off to lunch - Be back in an hour :) |
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| 10:59.53 | ShadowJK | oh damn, denmark. I already had it figured out, lykkepillen in norway, lyggebillen in denmark, lyckepiller in sweden, and asdfghjkl in finland |
| 11:00.52 | Lykkepillen | Lykkepillen is Denmark.. Not lyggebillen D: That translates .. Lykkebeetle.. Anyway AFK! |
| 11:01.26 | ShadowJK | lartza_, the annoying thing about huuto is that there's a worn n900 going today, but hten there's a n900 with 20 months warranty going next week |
| 11:01.30 | ShadowJK | maybe i'll get both :] |
| 11:01.54 | ketas | pillukulli |
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| 11:04.19 | lartza_ | well... you don't get n900 from warranty anyway anymore. N8 maybe or something |
| 11:10.53 | szopin_ | Hurrian: btw, did you enable the thumb errata freemangordon mentioned in that 37 build? |
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| 12:13.32 | jester` | upgrading to SSU :) |
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| 12:27.10 | Hurrian | @szopin_, yes. |
| 12:29.21 | szopin_ | you could try 12.04 on it, would confirm/refute the idea thumb issue is preventing stable boots |
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| 12:29.49 | Hurrian | uhh, meego kernel is already built with errata enabled |
| 12:29.51 | szopin_ | hope my sd arrives today |
| 12:30.36 | Hurrian | oh wait |
| 12:30.39 | Hurrian | its not |
| 12:30.58 | szopin_ | freemangordon pointed that out as possible reason for crashes |
| 12:31.02 | Hurrian | brb building an armhf kernel |
| 12:31.05 | szopin_ | :) |
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| 12:32.33 | Hurrian | uhh, lemme build a new kernel for my ps3 first |
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| 12:44.41 | int_ua | Are the scrolling glitches caused by some closed component of Maemo? |
| 12:45.52 | int_ua | they affect at least file selection dialog and default file manager |
| 12:47.18 | int_ua | s/scrolling glitches/scrolling slowness and filtering glitches/ |
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| 12:53.04 | teotwaki | I love how the "recent update" in the /topic is roughly 6 months old. |
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| 13:33.20 | ketas | hmm, why do i remember completing all levels of doom in nokia 5500 |
| 13:33.32 | ketas | completely unrelated here, however |
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| 15:13.10 | Untouchab1e | anyone know of any way to retrieve the CellID of a given phone? |
| 15:13.19 | Untouchab1e | as in, not your own phone, but someone else's? |
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| 17:25.51 | BCMM | i just got my replacement n900! |
| 17:25.58 | BCMM | second time i've sent one off for a broken USB |
| 17:26.19 | SpeedEvil | Huh? |
| 17:26.23 | SpeedEvil | How? |
| 17:26.32 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: nokia care, under warranty |
| 17:26.35 | BCMM | 2 years in the EU |
| 17:26.42 | SpeedEvil | And who did you have to threaten to kill to get replacement n900? |
| 17:26.55 | BCMM | nah, the EU does all the threatening for me |
| 17:26.59 | SpeedEvil | I got a symbian thing despite specifically requesting a n900 |
| 17:27.05 | BCMM | although i am surprised it's the same phone |
| 17:27.19 | BCMM | they tell you to keep all the accessories, right |
| 17:27.39 | BCMM | now, last time, they rang me up and said i could have a symbian thing or wait a bit while they found an n900 for me |
| 17:27.50 | BCMM | then they sent my *just* and n900 with no back |
| 17:28.07 | BCMM | this time, no word out of them, and they sent me a retail boxed handset |
| 17:28.30 | BCMM | so now i have a spare charger and everything |
| 17:28.32 | sethstorm | BCMM: quite lucky |
| 17:28.49 | BCMM | weeee! free power supply for my hypothetical raspberry pi |
| 17:29.05 | sethstorm | I ended up having to find another N900 for sale |
| 17:29.12 | BCMM | i was expecting to do taht |
| 17:29.35 | sethstorm | since warranty was out and nobody would even touch the thing, even the folks that get cited by Nokia for doing repairs in the US |
| 17:29.47 | luke-jr | :/ |
| 17:29.57 | BCMM | my warranty is out in a couple of months |
| 17:30.00 | luke-jr | sethstorm: where'd you find a N900 for sale? |
| 17:30.13 | BCMM | so i guess i'm going to have to reinforce this one's USB port somehow |
| 17:30.17 | BCMM | this scares me a great deal |
| 17:30.26 | sethstorm | it was a while back on Amazon IIRC |
| 17:30.55 | sethstorm | the odd thing was that it had mismatched s/n on the outer box vs the inner |
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| 17:31.14 | sethstorm | unit s/n has warranty, outer box didnt |
| 17:31.48 | BCMM | oh and they gave me a free wrist strap (??) |
| 17:33.13 | BCMM | that smells of real leather and has a useless piece of metal decoration that would hit the screen in actual use... |
| 17:34.27 | sethstorm | BCMM: is your replacement unit the newer N900 or the older one |
| 17:34.38 | BCMM | sethstorm: there are two versions? |
| 17:34.40 | BCMM | how do you tell? |
| 17:35.04 | sethstorm | *grabs N900* |
| 17:35.39 | sethstorm | is it on or off? |
| 17:36.26 | BCMM | sethstorm: off, not put the battery in yet |
| 17:36.58 | BCMM | i came here to ask how best to get stuff back the way i liked it |
| 17:37.34 | BCMM | i have a backup from the backup program and an rsynced dir of my home directory minus some crap like "cities" |
| 17:37.50 | sethstorm | if it says FCCID:LJPRX-51X on the battery compartment, it's the newer one |
| 17:38.21 | sethstorm | if it's just FCCID:LJPRX-51 it's the older one |
| 17:38.25 | BCMM | i guess it's "install cssu; restore backups with backup program, then overwrite stuff with my backed-up home directory and selected bits of /etc/"? |
| 17:38.42 | BCMM | sethstorm: there is an X at the end |
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| 17:38.44 | luke-jr | sethstorm: which merchant on Amazon? |
| 17:38.46 | BCMM | what are the differences? |
| 17:39.04 | BCMM | sethstorm: i'm guessing it's not "they armoured the USB ports now"? |
| 17:39.35 | sethstorm | BCMM: more like you having to use a different version of u-boot |
| 17:40.00 | BCMM | is that the thing you use to select different kernels at bootup? |
| 17:40.18 | sethstorm | one of them, yes. |
| 17:40.40 | sethstorm | but as far as restoring your backup, what says CSSU first? |
| 17:41.42 | BCMM | sethstorm: problems installing the package list without it? |
| 17:41.49 | BCMM | don't actually know if i have anything that requires cssu |
| 17:42.18 | sethstorm | if it's Nokia's own backup software, I'd do CSSU afterwards |
| 17:42.45 | sethstorm | restore backup, install CSSU, then the rest of your restore |
| 17:43.00 | BCMM | thanks; i'll do that then |
| 17:43.11 | BCMM | by the way, anybody know where the layout of the homescreen widgets is stored? |
| 17:43.26 | BCMM | i was rather attached to the way i had it set up |
| 17:43.52 | Pali | ping freemangordon |
| 17:43.56 | BCMM | sethstorm: also, were there any practical differences between hardware versions apart from boot? |
| 17:44.30 | sethstorm | BCMM: none that I've encountered elsewhere |
| 17:45.15 | BCMM | my life will be so much less stressful now that i have a spare stylus. |
| 17:46.05 | BCMM | aah that awful hands animation |
| 17:46.11 | BCMM | i'm not sure i backed up my boot video... |
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| 17:50.08 | StyXman | is there any way to access the browser's password database ? |
| 17:52.16 | BCMM | StyXman: not that i know of, but then again there might well be a way to get at it using firefox's underlying stuff |
| 17:52.41 | BCMM | i mean, if you're really stuck for an important password, copy the pass db to a real fx install |
| 17:53.44 | StyXman | BCMM: the default browser is a ffox derivative? |
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| 17:54.19 | BCMM | StyXman: yeah |
| 17:54.33 | BCMM | StyXman: about:config and friends are still there :) |
| 17:54.49 | BCMM | (and about:mozilla :) |
| 17:54.55 | StyXman | :) |
| 17:55.40 | StyXman | nice |
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| 21:53.16 | sopin | not sure if installing sb was necessary, got 'make menuconfig' on-device with meego kernel (took ages to unpack, no idea if compiles yet) |
| 21:53.50 | sopin | Hurrian: what options are best? got a headache looking through all that alone |
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| 21:54.37 | sopin | or did you apply pali's patches and errata outside of it? |
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| 21:55.04 | sopin | I guess I'll repeat myself then |
| 21:55.10 | sopin | not sure if installing sb was necessary, got 'make menuconfig' on-device with meego kernel (took ages to unpack, no idea if compiles yet) |
| 21:55.23 | sopin | Hurrian|away: what options are best? got a headache looking through all that alone |
| 21:55.26 | sopin | or did you apply pali's patches and errata outside of it? |
| 21:56.41 | sopin | pali: know a way to introduce your patch on device? |
| 21:57.33 | sopin | even after setting up sb, wasting 3h of commute time per day, on device option would allow more 'progress' (hopefully) |
| 21:58.10 | sopin | bus ride is snappy when doing actual stuff |
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| 21:59.41 | sopin | I could prolly remote to SB, to avoid this... anyone could share their experience? |
| 22:00.56 | sopin | hell I could even start some compiling during lunch break |
| 22:02.17 | NIN101 | super tip: debian 6 VM + harmattan sdk = happy compiling of this meego kernel. |
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| 22:03.39 | Hurrian|away | debian 6 vm = stable environment for fremantle sdk too |
| 22:03.46 | dhbiker | hows harmattan comparing to fremantle ? |
| 22:04.09 | Hurrian|away | @sopin: menuconfig on device? |
| 22:04.19 | Hurrian|away | doing it wrong |
| 22:04.32 | Hurrian|away | p.s. you still need to patch that **** |
| 22:04.49 | Hurrian|away | you dont just patch straight over the kernel |
| 22:04.58 | Hurrian|away | you need to apply the meego patches |
| 22:05.04 | Hurrian|away | then pali's patch |
| 22:05.22 | NIN101 | ? |
| 22:05.29 | NIN101 | simply check out their git and apply pali's patch. |
| 22:05.43 | Hurrian|away | don't they use obs? |
| 22:05.50 | sopin | yeah, hoping some of the patch tools will work on device |
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| 22:06.12 | Pali | for compiling you need only arm cross compiler |
| 22:06.24 | sopin | got access to my sb env 1-2h per day |
| 22:06.43 | sopin | to my phone 24h |
| 22:06.49 | Pali | and after compiling run arm strip on all *.ko modules, because modules are too big with all debug symbls |
| 22:07.08 | sopin | i can get 5h on sb but it means I am skipping the night or sleeping 2-4h |
| 22:07.53 | NIN101 | sopin: then why all this effort? It simply won't bootup and work, that's for sure. |
| 22:08.25 | sopin | yeah, lets all lie down and wait screaming at nokia |
| 22:08.39 | sopin | this will definitely bring change |
| 22:09.11 | sopin | I have those 3-4h of commute, might have to look at sdk chroot |
| 22:09.14 | sopin | been done |
| 22:10.01 | sopin | pali: will do that, if it compiles |
| 22:10.21 | sopin | do you guys use menuconfig or just pass variables to make? |
| 22:10.40 | Pali | why menuconfig? |
| 22:10.46 | sopin | got 4.6 so old gcc shouldn*'t be an issue |
| 22:10.54 | Pali | all configs are defined in rx51_config |
| 22:11.03 | sopin | no idea, was hoping it allows tweaking like remove debug |
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| 22:11.15 | sopin | so no 100mb kos |
| 22:11.30 | Hurrian|away | @Pali, rx51_defconfig as patched by your patch is missing a lot |
| 22:11.40 | sopin | it seemed to offer antidebug options |
| 22:11.51 | Pali | find . -name "*.ko" -exec arm*-strip {} ';' |
| 22:12.06 | Hurrian|away | ..or just disable kernel debugging |
| 22:12.07 | Pali | replace arm* to your cross tools |
| 22:12.14 | sopin | so skip config, thanks |
| 22:12.24 | Pali | arm-linux-gnueabi-strip |
| 22:12.35 | sopin | still damned meegokernel sources take .5 gig |
| 22:12.50 | NIN101 | n8 |
| 22:13.00 | sopin | but I assume most is for other arches |
| 22:13.16 | Hurrian|away | Pali, does SGX driver need to be updated? |
| 22:13.27 | Hurrian|away | all I got from running the kernel last night was corrupted graphics |
| 22:13.33 | Pali | no idea |
| 22:13.41 | Pali | qemu using kfgles2 |
| 22:13.55 | sopin | should check 12.04 driver |
| 22:14.12 | sopin | some guys got it booting desktop |
| 22:14.18 | sopin | use what they did, should be compatible |
| 22:14.24 | Hurrian|away | sopin, 12.04 doesn't use the gles driver from boot |
| 22:14.34 | peetah | Pali: quick question, quick answer: is there any progress on the nemo/u-boot issue ? thanks |
| 22:14.36 | sopin | hmm |
| 22:14.51 | Hurrian|away | it uses fbdev on boot, then loads the sgx driver on starting x |
| 22:14.55 | Pali | peetah, no |
| 22:15.25 | peetah | ok thanks |
| 22:15.25 | sopin | Hurrian|away: any way to use what is working for mer/ubuntu? |
| 22:15.34 | Hurrian|away | yeah, they just werk |
| 22:15.37 | sopin | crash on sgx could point to some hack for 28 |
| 22:15.37 | Hurrian|away | wait |
| 22:15.41 | Hurrian|away | uhh, no |
| 22:15.53 | Hurrian|away | in maemo's case, you have the kernel wanting to start kms/drm early, and xomap really early |
| 22:16.01 | sopin | that is incompatible with newer |
| 22:16.05 | Hurrian|away | iirc the white dots are displayed by x |
| 22:16.24 | Hurrian|away | prolly need to update the userspace side of sgx driver |
| 22:16.51 | sopin | what you just said is black magic for me |
| 22:17.16 | sopin | if it works ++++ for you |
| 22:17.26 | sopin | damned, that looks like graveyard |
| 22:17.28 | Hurrian|away | please read up on how the sgx driver works |
| 22:17.43 | Hurrian|away | open kernel stub runs closed userspace blob |
| 22:17.49 | sopin | I am still planning on reading how kernel needs to be compiled installed |
| 22:18.01 | sopin | months for me :( |
| 22:18.18 | sopin | sgx will have to wait |
| 22:18.55 | Hurrian|away | on x86 system: make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- rx51_defconfig -j64 |
| 22:19.10 | sopin | btw, are you running dual fremantle/fremantle to test your exploits? |
| 22:19.11 | sopin | reflashing all the time seems a time waster |
| 22:19.37 | Hurrian|away | nope |
| 22:19.49 | sopin | as in fremantle/maemo standard + sd/fremantle with newer tricks that crash |
| 22:20.03 | Hurrian|away | i still need to build a fremantle kernel with ext4 and omaphsmmc modules inside to do that |
| 22:20.06 | sopin | how do you test to not spend a lot of time restoring? |
| 22:20.14 | Hurrian|away | i load new kernels with u-boot |
| 22:20.22 | sopin | so dual boot? |
| 22:20.28 | Hurrian|away | dual kernel. |
| 22:20.42 | Hurrian|away | actually, triple kernel, 3.2.11 is in the wings |
| 22:20.44 | sopin | another reading task for me :) |
| 22:21.41 | sopin | did anyone confirm .29 crashing all things for fremantle btw? |
| 22:21.57 | sopin | jumping to .37 might be a bit big |
| 22:22.33 | sopin | pinpointing the culprit would narrow possible reasons a lot |
| 22:23.11 | Hurrian|away | .29 is a huge patch |
| 22:23.35 | Hurrian|away | i would start there if i could get the nokia patches fixed |
| 22:23.43 | sopin | not as big of a jump as .35 though, which works in some configs |
| 22:23.44 | Hurrian|away | they're huge, and the list of rejects is ass-long |
| 22:23.55 | sopin | ouch |
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| 22:57.35 | sopin | Hurrian|away: what exactly was your 'make...' line? |
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| 23:01.09 | sopin | or other way: how do you feed rx51_config to make? |
| 23:01.24 | sopin | and the errata |
| 23:07.07 | Hurrian|away | see above |
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| 23:07.17 | Hurrian|away | make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- rx51_defconfig -j64 |
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| 23:07.54 | Hurrian|away | i have a config, rx51_hsmmcboardconfig that simply makes CONFIG_EXT4=y and CONFIG_OMAPHSMMC=y |
| 23:08.18 | Hurrian|away | allows me to boot maemo off sd |
| 23:08.30 | Hurrian|away | WITHOUT haxxing preinit |
| 23:08.36 | sopin | but on device? |
| 23:08.43 | sopin | crosscompile is moot |
| 23:08.45 | Hurrian|away | i dont build on device |
| 23:08.53 | sopin | arch the same |
| 23:08.55 | Hurrian|away | on device, it would simply be |
| 23:09.04 | Hurrian|away | make rx51_defconfig |
| 23:09.51 | sopin | *** Can't find default configuration "arch/arm/configs/rx51_defconfig"! |
| 23:10.24 | Hurrian|away | you didnt patch the kernel then |
| 23:10.38 | Hurrian|away | or downloaded the wrong one |
| 23:10.44 | sopin | i just downloaded the meegoN900 |
| 23:10.48 | Hurrian|away | link |
| 23:11.01 | sopin | meego device adaptatiob |
| 23:11.03 | sopin | n |
| 23:11.11 | sopin | from git |
| 23:11.14 | sopin | one sec |
| 23:11.33 | sopin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.50 | sopin | this was supposed to be meego .35 |
| 23:11.54 | sopin | not sure now |
| 23:12.34 | Hurrian|TWGOK | uhh, that's old and unmaintained |
| 23:12.46 | sopin | oops |
| 23:13.06 | sopin | latest change was sep 2011 |
| 23:13.14 | sopin | thought it was quitelively |
| 23:14.08 | Hurrian|TWGOK | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=kernel-adaptation-n900&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN900 |
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| 23:15.55 | sopin | brb |
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| 23:51.04 | sopin | sudo mount -o remount,size=512M /tmp |
| 23:51.16 | sopin | allows opening the rpm |
| 23:51.28 | sopin | might have overdone it with 512 |
| 23:51.45 | sopin | but the previous kernel sources took around this much |
| 23:51.52 | sopin | in xarchiver |
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| 23:56.36 | sopin | if someone has prettier way to extract huge rpms let me know |
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