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| 00:03.45 | rZr | anyone for betatesting redak text editor on n900 ? |
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| 00:22.14 | DocScrutinizer | Neutron_: it will or will not work, but that's no warning, just an info |
| 00:22.42 | DocScrutinizer | afaik it works when you got 32bit comaptibility libs installed |
| 00:24.07 | DocScrutinizer | rZr: I'd love to, but alas have no time for it right now |
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| 00:35.55 | rZr | DocScrutinizer51: take your time |
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| 02:10.50 | vizzy | hi, i have several problems on my n900 running maemo with cssu |
| 02:11.28 | vizzy | my browser stopped working. other apps have access to the internet, but the build in browser wont do it anymore and refuses to load a simple html page from the web |
| 02:11.34 | vizzy | is this a known issue? |
| 02:11.46 | vizzy | microb or how its called |
| 02:13.17 | vizzy | another thing is that the german keyboard layout has gone, the keyboard s now us or something weird. ä is cursor up etc |
| 02:13.36 | vizzy | this happened since i installed and activated a debian changeroot image |
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| 02:18.54 | vizzy | hte only hint i can find is to backup and reflash and restore the device, which is indeed a bad solution fo a linux system. i guess some files or prefs are corrupt for microb or so. but i dont know what to do to fix it and i guess reflashing is the worst choice here without knowing what causses the problem (its not a windows you must reinstall every time :))) |
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| 02:23.48 | vizzy | anyone? |
| 02:25.39 | vizzy | btw, deleting ~/mozilla/microb doesnt help |
| 02:26.20 | robbiethe1st | Sorry, dunno |
| 02:26.41 | robbiethe1st | I'd recommend restoring to your latest BackupMenu image if you have one... |
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| 02:30.11 | vizzy | robbiethe1st, i have ne, but its ages old |
| 02:30.26 | vizzy | i dont think i must reboot or reflash or restore a linux system that often..... |
| 02:30.57 | vizzy | i usually backup data using ssh , but not the whole system |
| 02:31.05 | robbiethe1st | N900's emmc isn't all that stable, though, occasionally things get corrupted(for me anyway) |
| 02:31.08 | vizzy | i wonder what can go wrong using a browser |
| 02:31.15 | vizzy | ouch |
| 02:31.29 | robbiethe1st | Try loading a local page |
| 02:31.45 | robbiethe1st | also, try another browser, check if the network/dns is working |
| 02:32.05 | vizzy | network dns is working fine, all other apps dont have problem accessing the internet |
| 02:32.39 | vizzy | i found that a few days before after hacking my network, but it was not a network problem, its just the ..... browser |
| 02:32.51 | robbiethe1st | Will it load a local page>? |
| 02:33.10 | robbiethe1st | as in file:///home/user/MyDocs/.../something.html |
| 02:33.26 | vizzy | i thought of networkproblems, but its definitely not the network |
| 02:33.35 | vizzy | let me try, just rebooting .... |
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| 02:35.31 | vizzy | grrr, it exits now with internal error..... oh how i love this useful errormsg |
| 02:37.15 | vizzy | no, doesnt load local pages |
| 02:38.00 | vizzy | this phone costs more time troubleshooting than using it... all was fine 3 days ago (again :-) |
| 02:38.12 | vizzy | i start hating it |
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| 02:47.01 | robbiethe1st | vizzy, that's why you were supposed to backup before installing CSSU |
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| 02:49.25 | vizzy | browserd runs using rtcomm something... this is one of the things that was removed when installing cssu |
| 02:50.00 | vizzy | so, killall browserd just powers off the device, thats all very funny |
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| 02:50.50 | ShadowJK | rtcomm is sms thingy, the sms conversationas is rendered by browser |
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| 02:51.27 | vizzy | and why is it removed when switching to cssu? |
| 02:51.40 | vizzy | however, browser still worked after cssu |
| 02:52.06 | vizzy | and i didnt care. but now i cant call a simple local html page with microb |
| 02:52.41 | ShadowJK | Some of your other settings disappearing would lead me to suspect a problem with the emmc. I'd check whether output of "mount" and "df -h" looks normal. whether you have a separate /home partition mounted or not. Also check "cat /proc/swaps" to see if there's a swap partition activated |
| 02:52.42 | vizzy | can i reinstall microb anyhow? i will try everything but reflashing |
| 02:53.26 | ShadowJK | I'm not familiar with cssu, and I doubt rtcomm stuff is supposed to be removed |
| 02:53.29 | vizzy | mount shows a lot of virtual python mounts, and all other mounts looks fine |
| 02:54.01 | ShadowJK | browser consists of two parts anyway, "browserd" backend, and "browser" frontend, browser might start, and then crash if starting browserd fails. |
| 02:54.37 | ShadowJK | Ok, have to run, bbl |
| 02:54.43 | vizzy | how to reinstall microb? in the case some files are broken |
| 02:56.10 | vizzy | i could use another browser, but all links try to open with microb. and firefox and opera is not my first choice |
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| 02:59.13 | vizzy | is there no way to debug microb? or browserd or however this thing is called? |
| 02:59.35 | vizzy | there must be a log or not? |
| 03:02.30 | vizzy | lol, and agan, killing browserd reboots the device... boah, whats that shit? i give up. this cant be! i feel like a dumb windows user using this phone |
| 03:02.36 | vizzy | except kismet is working nice |
| 03:02.42 | vizzy | thx and good night |
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| 03:12.27 | vizzy | me again |
| 03:12.31 | vizzy | how funny.... problem solved. |
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| 03:13.00 | vizzy | i had moved /usr/microb-engine to opt and symlinked to it, sill yicrob seems not to like that |
| 03:13.22 | vizzy | after wasting space for microb-engine in /usr/lib on rootfs again, it works |
| 03:13.50 | vizzy | just to let you know :) thx |
| 03:14.23 | vizzy | it eats up to 20mb on / |
| 03:15.01 | robbiethe1st | interesting |
| 03:15.19 | vizzy | isnt that silly? :) |
| 03:15.39 | robbiethe1st | could be a permissions thing...? |
| 03:15.45 | vizzy | i will try a loopbackmount like for python stuff |
| 03:15.59 | robbiethe1st | Symlink should work fine, so long as permissions are good |
| 03:16.09 | vizzy | robbiethe1st, i moved as root, so couldnt be a permission problem, symlinks have no permissions imho |
| 03:16.37 | vizzy | hmmm, wait, ill check if the /opt/usr/lib is restricted, but i guess not, or should not |
| 03:16.39 | robbiethe1st | Dunno, wasn't symlinked quite right maby? Linked to the wrong thing, or a bad path, or...? |
| 03:16.59 | vizzy | no, symlink was ok, pointed to the correct place |
| 03:17.44 | vizzy | hmm, should be not a permisson problem, just the symlink |
| 03:17.45 | robbiethe1st | Odd. Try it again? |
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| 03:18.02 | vizzy | robbiethe1st, oyu mean copy over to opt and symlink again? |
| 03:18.02 | robbiethe1st | also, try moving it to somewhere else on the rootfs, see if you can get it to work from there? |
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| 03:18.35 | vizzy | i could check, but first need a coffee :) its 4am here, hehe |
| 03:18.36 | ShadowJK | wonderas if microb is started before /opt is mounted |
| 03:19.25 | ShadowJK | Though many things break with symlink thing anyway :P |
| 03:19.51 | vizzy | but 20mb is quite heavy in /, so its the first candidate to move :) |
| 03:20.23 | vizzy | ill get a coffee and then try again, move on / then to opt... lets see what happens |
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| 03:21.45 | hanning | hey |
| 03:22.39 | hanning | i am trying to launch mediaplayer through terminal, but neither do i get an error, nor does the player start |
| 03:22.51 | hanning | i am using /usr/bin/mediaplayer |
| 03:23.14 | hanning | what am i doing wrong? thanks ;) |
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| 03:35.49 | vizzy | ok, moved /usr/lib/microb-engine to microb-engine.x and symlinked |
| 03:36.03 | vizzy | works. symlinking seems not to be the problem. |
| 03:36.18 | vizzy | now trying to move it to opt.... |
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| 03:43.15 | vizzy | moving to /opt/usr/lib and symlink breaks microb |
| 03:43.46 | vizzy | wtf ? :)) its mounted in fstab, so ... i dont understand this |
| 03:44.42 | vizzy | moving back to /usr/lib works, without rebooting |
| 03:45.10 | vizzy | a symlink to another partition breaks it, how can that be? |
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| 03:51.05 | jonwil | my guess is that microb doesn't like the fact that it lives on /opt for some reason |
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| 04:21.56 | vizzy | jonwil, sure, otherwise it wont fail. but whats if i only move the subdirs and libs to opt :)) hehe, ill see. 20mb is just too much on / and i cant accept that. at next i'll try a bind mount to /usr/lib, but not this night |
| 04:22.03 | vizzy | ill let you know. |
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| 04:26.37 | jpinx | when I connect my n900 to PCSuite in XP, in both Ovi suite and Nokia PCsuite the filesystem in the phone shows but is really only useful for drag and drop 'cos there's no volume label I can use. Anyone come up with a solution to this? |
| 04:28.10 | jpinx | fwiw I use cygwin and rsync to keep good old-fashioned backups, but I have to unplug and replug in mass stoge mode |
| 04:28.46 | ShadowJK | vizzy; btw fstab is backwards on maemo, it's autogenerated *after* things have been mounted |
| 04:29.04 | vizzy | oh! |
| 04:29.26 | ShadowJK | to contain what the startup scripts tried to do, regardless if they succeeded or not. |
| 04:29.36 | vizzy | so where to set up mounts for system boot? |
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| 04:32.48 | ShadowJK | i forget |
| 04:33.34 | ShadowJK | probably one of the big scripts at start, with calls to the *mmc* scripts |
| 04:34.20 | ShadowJK | I'd probably start at /etc/inittab and /etc/init.d/rcS though |
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| 06:53.44 | DocScrutinizer | preinit |
| 06:55.21 | DocScrutinizer | mount_device() { in /sbin/preiit |
| 06:56.53 | DocScrutinizer | or ask pali, for further places where mounts happen |
| 06:57.06 | DocScrutinizer | vizzy: ^^^ |
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| 06:58.42 | DocScrutinizer | btw microb depends on browserd which probably gets preloaded before /opt gets mounted, or sth |
| 06:58.53 | DocScrutinizer | there's a command to optify |
| 06:59.10 | DocScrutinizer | can't recall the exact name right now |
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| 07:14.41 | freemangordon | Pali, ping |
| 07:15.24 | Pali | freemangoron, sorry but now I'm going to school :-) later |
| 07:15.31 | freemangordon | ok |
| 07:15.33 | freemangordon | :) |
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| 09:50.15 | jonwil | holy crap, I DID IT |
| 09:50.31 | edheldil | yes? |
| 09:50.49 | jonwil | I used the osso-backup-1.4.4 code found by Pali to write a tool that runs in scratchbox and decrypts encrypted osso-backup zip files(!) |
| 09:50.58 | jonwil | zip files from Fremantle |
| 09:51.59 | edheldil | so they are not that much encrypted? |
| 09:52.37 | jonwil | they are using AES |
| 09:52.41 | jonwil | so the encryption is good |
| 09:52.47 | jonwil | For my tool you still need the password |
| 09:52.57 | jonwil | This is intended for people who have an encrypted backup |
| 09:53.07 | jonwil | but dont have a working N900 Fremantle image |
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| 09:53.15 | jonwil | and need to recover their backups |
| 09:53.43 | Sicelo | \o/ |
| 09:54.24 | SpeedEvil | Rather neat! |
| 09:54.29 | edheldil | ah, ok. Congrats, then :) |
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| 10:35.43 | jonwil | ok, its posted |
| 10:36.00 | jonwil | now people have a way to decrypt backups without using osso-backup |
| 10:36.09 | jonwil | i.e. if you dont have a working N900 |
| 10:36.25 | jonwil | or if you want to decrypt the zip files without restoring the backup |
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| 10:43.03 | jonwil | it also provides enough information to allow someone to figure out the actual osso-backup encryption |
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| 11:18.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | what's the use of that encryption stuff? would you really want to encrypt your backups when you want to use them on PC? |
| 11:19.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, I suppose some do |
| 11:20.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway, if it's already implemented then all thumbs up for this nice fancy |
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| 11:22.57 | jonwil | The point is that the stock firmware provides a way to encrypt the backups |
| 11:23.12 | jonwil | and some people might have an encrypted backup and want to decrypt it without having to restore it via osso-backup |
| 11:25.20 | vizzy | true |
| 11:25.56 | vizzy | full ack, a backup is useless if you cant restore it.... e.g. device got a brick or broken |
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| 11:33.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | jonwil: yoh |
| 11:34.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | nice part we can build for x86 too |
| 11:35.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | I just wondered how useful is encryption in the first place |
| 11:37.26 | jonwil | I am not Nokia and I dont know why they added the encryption |
| 11:38.27 | jonwil | now that I see the source, it doesn't look as complex as it looked before |
| 11:38.34 | jonwil | when I was staring at the ARM assembler |
| 11:38.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's ok that it's there, but I cn't find a reason why I'd use it |
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| 11:39.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | arm asm is a bitch |
| 11:39.27 | jonwil | yeah it is |
| 11:40.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok, now for code quality part 2/6 |
| 11:40.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | nm |
| 11:40.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | o/ |
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| 11:45.14 | jonwil | nice part is that we finally know another of the mysteries of the N900 :) |
| 11:49.11 | jonwil | ~seen pali |
| 11:49.14 | infobot | pali <~quassel@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4h 33m 50s ago, saying: 'freemangoron, sorry but now I'm going to school :-) later'. |
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| 12:38.43 | jonwil | ok, so now that I have done osso-backup stuff, what should I tackle next? |
| 12:43.38 | Sicelo | profiled |
| 12:47.57 | jonwil | already looked into profiled |
| 12:48.12 | jonwil | and yes we can use the MeeGo profiled source on maemo as-is |
| 12:48.14 | jonwil | or so it looks |
| 12:49.29 | Sicelo | :) |
| 12:50.46 | int_ua | I need some realtime help. I wanted to change bootdelay on Nokia N900's U-Boot so executed "setenv bootdelay 1; saveenv". and now it stands with "Saving Environment to OneNAND..." for three minutes or so. |
| 12:50.55 | int_ua | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.47 | gomiam | int_ua: does it finally boot? |
| 12:52.30 | int_ua | no, it just stands so. I've disabled watchdog to be able to do something in uboot |
| 12:52.51 | int_ua | (I used flasher to disable watchdog) |
| 12:53.22 | int_ua | I mean. I didn't try to switch it off yet. |
| 12:54.09 | gomiam | mmm... no idea, sorry. If it booted you could setenv bootdelay 0; saveenv and it might sort itself out... |
| 12:54.58 | int_ua | Thanks. Anyone else have ideas? |
| 12:56.07 | int_ua | ok, resetting it |
| 12:57.15 | int_ua | it looks fine, but it didn't save environment |
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| 13:04.08 | jonwil | ok so what should I do next? |
| 13:08.23 | crashanddie | I just don't know what licence to pick... |
| 13:08.47 | crashanddie | I have this pretty cool software project going, will probably do my initial release this summer, and pondering under what licence I'd like to publish it |
| 13:09.15 | crashanddie | Knowing that I'd like to sell some services around this package, and probably start a company around it some time in the future |
| 13:09.50 | crashanddie | When I first started writing code, I had just met up with Stallman, so I obviously just plunked a GPL licence on it, and that was that... |
| 13:10.15 | crashanddie | A couple weeks ago, I was more in favour of LGPL, and now, I'd like to just put a MIT or BSD licence on it. |
| 13:10.24 | vizzy | (l)gpl should be the first choice |
| 13:10.39 | vizzy | or any other cool free license :) |
| 13:11.05 | crashanddie | One should note that this is server software, so even if a company uses it, they'd most probably wouldn't distribute their changes per se, hence, no need to open source their stuff |
| 13:11.43 | vizzy | if you want feedback and a great community around it, opensource is best, imho |
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| 13:12.25 | crashanddie | vizzy, if you say "open source" to RMS, he'll bite your head off. |
| 13:12.43 | vizzy | rms? |
| 13:12.49 | crashanddie | Richard M. Stallman? |
| 13:13.02 | vizzy | i dont care |
| 13:13.11 | crashanddie | GPL = free software, BSD/MIT = Open Source. |
| 13:13.22 | vizzy | ah, ok |
| 13:13.48 | crashanddie | There's one thing I still can't get a straight answer on |
| 13:14.01 | crashanddie | Does GPLv3 mean that anyone linking to my libraries has to GPL their code? |
| 13:14.02 | vizzy | i personally dont see a difference, i use gpl for my project, and call it open source and free :) |
| 13:14.28 | vizzy | crashanddie, no, but for lgpl i guess, (imho) |
| 13:14.52 | crashanddie | haha |
| 13:14.58 | crashanddie | you don't know anything about licences, do you? |
| 13:15.01 | vizzy | lgpl is meant for hosted apps where users change code for their needs and have to give back changes and contributions |
| 13:15.10 | crashanddie | No, it's not. |
| 13:15.14 | Robot101 | "hosted apps"?! |
| 13:15.15 | crashanddie | That's Affero. |
| 13:15.41 | Robot101 | also, the free software foundation doesn't claim that BSD-style licenses are not free software, they're just non-copyleft |
| 13:15.42 | crashanddie | LGPL is: You can link libraries with proprietary software, and don't have to release your code. |
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| 13:16.06 | Robot101 | free software and open source licenses are the same thing, the split in terminology is ideological |
| 13:16.11 | crashanddie | Robot101, aye, I was just pointing out that all open source licences aren't free software. |
| 13:16.19 | crashanddie | according to rms. |
| 13:16.38 | Robot101 | they are - any OSS license is also free, but non-copyleft licenses are just weaker at preserving those freedoms |
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| 13:17.12 | crashanddie | well, I would say that preventing people from doing whatever they want with your code is restrictive... |
| 13:17.37 | crashanddie | Which is why I'm more inclined to go for BSD/MIT. |
| 13:18.01 | crashanddie | I'm just scared that my project might get the cred it deserves because it's badly licensed. |
| 13:18.19 | crashanddie | I don't want to do dual licensing, because that's just bullshit. |
| 13:21.05 | Robot101 | yes, the GPL is more restrictive in terms of you have to do extra stuff to comply with licenses, but the FSF argues that preserving those freedoms are more important |
| 13:21.24 | Robot101 | generally as a company we use LGPL 2.1 (or later) |
| 13:22.15 | Robot101 | LGPLv3 is kind of annoying as GPL2 programs can't use it |
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| 13:23.04 | crashanddie | I think I'll just go with LGPL. |
| 13:23.44 | crashanddie | Now, if my app is LGPL, can I use GPL'd code? |
| 13:24.00 | Robot101 | no |
| 13:24.08 | Robot101 | if it's an app rather than a library, the LGPL doesn't make that much sense |
| 13:24.22 | crashanddie | Well... |
| 13:24.36 | crashanddie | 60% of app is libraries :) |
| 13:25.21 | crashanddie | In most cases, they won't technically be linking with it, but they'll still be including some of my headers, inheriting from my classes, implementing my interfaces... |
| 13:25.52 | Robot101 | umm... that sounds exactly like linking |
| 13:26.24 | crashanddie | Well, no. |
| 13:26.29 | crashanddie | Linking = binaries. |
| 13:26.37 | crashanddie | Most of the stuff I'll provide will be headers only. |
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| 13:27.59 | Robot101 | what are you actually implementing? |
| 13:28.17 | crashanddie | The application, you mean? |
| 13:28.30 | Robot101 | yes, and what are the headers for? |
| 13:30.24 | crashanddie | It's an application server, which is capable of running self-contained apps that can be composed of C++ or Python, or a mix of both. |
| 13:30.25 | Robot101 | per the GPL, including such headers into another program makes a derived work. the LGPL explicitly defines what in a header file can be used by an application and /not/ be a derived work of the library. |
| 13:30.50 | Robot101 | ok, you definitely want the LGPL then - otherwise you cannot have any non-GPL'd plugins / apps / etc |
| 13:30.57 | crashanddie | Aye |
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| 13:31.35 | crashanddie | But as I mentioned earlier, it's server-side software, so most of the users could potentially develop their own modules/plugins/whateveryawannacallthem and never have to think about licensing, considering they don't distribute the app. |
| 13:31.45 | crashanddie | right? |
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| 13:32.38 | edheldil | as I understand GPL, yes |
| 13:32.45 | edheldil | but ianal |
| 13:32.50 | Robot101 | yeah, pretty much |
| 13:33.24 | edheldil | crashanddie: also it means they will not distribute the plugins |
| 13:33.34 | edheldil | their own plugins |
| 13:33.40 | crashanddie | well, obviously. |
| 13:34.04 | vizzy | so, hmm, would agpl then 'force' the users to distribute the new code? |
| 13:34.32 | crashanddie | as I understand it, AGPL forces you to distribute the code, even if the code is "hosted", and not distributed. |
| 13:34.54 | vizzy | ah, ok, thats what i need then :) |
| 13:37.56 | vizzy | i saw some cms systems and other apps just copied from a gpl version, released and sold under a new name. hell. they just searched and replaced headers and names. but this will happen anyway, some people just dont care about any license.... :( and sell it under their own name. |
| 13:39.06 | Robot101 | vizzy: did you notify the original copyright holders? |
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| 13:39.26 | vizzy | yes, indeed. i contacted them, in this case it was xoops. |
| 13:39.43 | Robot101 | there is a lot of quite successful GPL enforcement |
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| 13:40.09 | Robot101 | agencies like the FSF, SFLC, SFC, etc getting source code released |
| 13:40.35 | Robot101 | things like openWRT and samsung TV hacking projects are all because of GPL enforcement activities |
| 13:41.24 | jonwil | I suspect large chunks of Android hacks rely on the GPL kernel source released by vendors |
| 13:41.33 | jonwil | either because they are shipping a new kernel |
| 13:41.48 | jonwil | or because the kernel contains important hardware information used to hack open the device |
| 13:41.49 | Robot101 | yep, cyanogen mod etc |
| 13:42.05 | Robot101 | and some vendors also provide their bootloader, making the modding a lot easier |
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| 13:43.20 | vizzy | its (not)fun when you get (optional) install mails from your own software (e.g. php webapplication) and it comes with a new name and copyright |
| 13:43.52 | vizzy | theyre not just copying it, theyre aso just stupid in some case, hahaha |
| 13:47.12 | jonwil | me, I never did get the kernel and open source bits for my linux based NetComm NB5Plus4W router (not that I mind so much, a router is a router and does what I need it to :) |
| 13:48.14 | Robot101 | jonwil: do you know what's on it? you could notify the SFLC if it has Busybox on it. |
| 13:48.51 | jonwil | I think the code was out there somewhere at one point, I just never took a great interest in it |
| 13:49.25 | jonwil | I think its based on the Texas Instruments AR7 router chipset |
| 13:49.39 | jonwil | but I dont much care since I dont need or want to hack my router :) |
| 13:50.01 | jonwil | I got a N900 and a Gentoo box for my linux hacking needs :) |
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| 13:57.35 | fizzie | There's a busybox (and the Linux kernel, and GNU Zebra, and some GLP'd FTP server, and ...) on the "ZTE ZXDSL 931WIIa" router my ISP shipped me; someone was asking for the sources, but ZTE's Finnish folks just deferred to the ISP (they don't distribute any firmware updates or anything), and the ISP said nothing. I believe the person doing the asking did mail the people doing GPL enforcement of BusyBox, no idea if that's going to lead to anything. |
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| 14:17.37 | jonwil | what pisses me off the most is vendors *cough*HTC*cough* that continue to violate the GPL time after time by delaying the release of GPL source code for months after the binaries are published or worse, not including the exact source code (including kernel drivers etc) that was used to build the binaries |
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| 16:18.05 | Mr | hello |
| 16:19.20 | Mr | new to IRC, but my name is not right ;o |
| 16:19.40 | newnick | arf |
| 16:20.00 | merlin1991 | actually wanted to write /nick newnick to explain how you do it :D |
| 16:20.28 | MrPingu | ah thank you =) |
| 16:21.13 | kerio | merlin1991: // will let you write /things as messages, in most clients |
| 16:21.15 | kerio | /like this |
| 16:21.35 | bindi | / // in irssi |
| 16:21.40 | bindi | er |
| 16:21.47 | bindi | i'm confused myself now |
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| 16:21.56 | bindi | / / even |
| 16:21.57 | MrPingu | I just installed irggu |
| 16:22.19 | MrPingu | as I wanted to see, what happens on maemo IRC :P |
| 16:23.51 | MrPingu | but are there some more things that might be useful while using IRC? |
| 16:25.50 | vizzy | i use xchat, and thinking of porting a speechplugin to maemo for xchat... hihi |
| 16:26.48 | MrPingu | I tried xchat too but I find it's gui not adapted for hildon/n900 |
| 16:27.34 | vizzy | the coolest app i found is kismet for n900 :D which is running all the time and i captured almost the whole cities wifi networks while walking around , hehe, "warwalking" |
| 16:28.14 | MrPingu | Yeah I used it too, awesome app =) |
| 16:28.48 | vizzy | MrPingu, really? i found its adaption is great and works like a charm, xchat |
| 16:30.02 | MrPingu | Yeah, I didn't like it |
| 16:30.21 | MrPingu | you really should look at irggu http://www.elisanet.fi/irggu/ |
| 16:30.50 | MrPingu | it's in extras-devel though |
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| 16:36.56 | vizzy | irggu, i guess i already have it :) will try |
| 16:38.21 | MrPingu | I think it looks much cleaner, as its just designed for N900 nothing less en nothing more |
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| 16:40.26 | MrPingu | Btw does dbus-scripts have bad impact on batterylife/cpu usage? |
| 16:40.54 | MrPingu | I mean it does monitor dbus |
| 16:42.25 | MrPingu | monitoring does cost resources, but isn't it already monitored by default and reacting on that? |
| 16:43.07 | hanning | talking about dbus, is there a way to get the currently playing title in mediaplayer using dbus? |
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| 16:55.28 | Mr_Pingu | You tried running dbus-monitor and then opening a song? |
| 16:55.52 | hanning | yup, and i remember i did find that right value |
| 16:55.59 | Mr_Pingu | You might get the dbus-string for the mediaplayer for opening ;) |
| 16:56.08 | hanning | but couldn't find a way to get it as an output |
| 16:56.55 | merlin1991 | hanning: see the mafw docs |
| 16:57.02 | merlin1991 | somewhere on the maemo wiki |
| 16:57.15 | hanning | thanks |
| 16:57.28 | merlin1991 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Media_Application_Framework_%28MAFW%29 |
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| 20:16.40 | freemangordon | Pali, ping |
| 20:18.59 | Pali | freemangoron, pong |
| 20:19.20 | Pali | what are current bugs in last kernel-power? |
| 20:19.30 | freemangordon | none AFAIK |
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| 20:20.03 | freemangordon | it was you to report some missing symbols in isp, but i cannot reproduce it |
| 20:20.22 | MrPingu | well the injection driver isn't compiled for the new kernel |
| 20:20.33 | Pali | do you have your scratchox builds? |
| 20:20.37 | MrPingu | but that's not really part of the kernel tho |
| 20:20.46 | freemangordon | MrPingu, correct, but that is not a bug in KP |
| 20:20.54 | freemangordon | Pali, yes |
| 20:21.04 | Pali | MrPingu, there are new builds of packet injection driver compatible with v50 |
| 20:21.05 | freemangordon | BTW, I have them uploaded |
| 20:21.14 | freemangordon | Pali, where? |
| 20:21.33 | MrPingu | Indeed where? Did we something? |
| 20:21.38 | Pali | lxp1 wrote link here on IRC or sent me mail |
| 20:21.48 | freemangordon | good |
| 20:21.51 | Pali | try to find in IRC log, I will search in mailbox |
| 20:22.29 | freemangordon | Pali, incompatibe injection drivers are not a bug in KP |
| 20:22.40 | Pali | yes |
| 20:23.00 | Pali | but new builds of packet injection driver for last kp will be usefull |
| 20:23.18 | MrPingu | Yeah, indeed =) |
| 20:23.30 | Pali | I do not see them in my mailbox |
| 20:23.31 | freemangordon | sure |
| 20:23.42 | Pali | so search in IRC log of #maemo |
| 20:24.17 | MrPingu | Do you know when lxp wrote that? |
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| 20:24.35 | Pali | in feb I think |
| 20:24.49 | MrPingu | that's long time ago :P |
| 20:25.17 | MrPingu | Is it really that hard to compile? If not, I could try it in SB |
| 20:25.54 | Pali | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-02-20.log.html#t2012-02-20T23:02:44 |
| 20:26.00 | Pali | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-02-21.log.html#t2012-02-21T23:42:53 |
| 20:26.20 | Pali | source code was updated |
| 20:26.54 | freemangordon | well, but no binaries? |
| 20:27.26 | freemangordon | Pali, did lxp promise to make .debs? |
| 20:27.49 | Pali | also binaries, see first link |
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| 20:28.01 | Pali | he created som scripts for compiling |
| 20:28.04 | MrPingu | We never had debs for that driver, did we? |
| 20:28.36 | Pali | my idea is to build packet injection driver in kernel-power tree and ship it in other package (not in kernel-powe-modules) |
| 20:28.52 | freemangordon | ok, so you can push KP in extras-devel and ask lxp to make .debs or binaries or whatever, as AIUI the script pulls KP sources from the repo. |
| 20:28.55 | Pali | so have it in one dsc, but other deb |
| 20:29.29 | freemangordon | So first thing to happen is KP50 entering repos |
| 20:30.52 | MrPingu | Yeah, would love that. I can live some weeks without injection ;) |
| 20:31.37 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 20:31.54 | freemangordon | afk for a couple of minutes |
| 20:33.25 | Pali | my 2 problems with last pre50 version of kernel-power: |
| 20:34.01 | Pali | 1) missing symbos error message (but everything worked, only error messages) in dmesg |
| 20:34.30 | Pali | 2) too high battery drain and frequent reboot after fmtxd crashed |
| 20:35.04 | freemangordon | Pali, how did you do .debs, with -nc otion? |
| 20:35.10 | freemangordon | *option |
| 20:35.17 | Pali | problem 2) I solved: I enabled FMTX, disabled FMTX, enabled and again disabled. After that reboot |
| 20:35.30 | Pali | and no other problem with battery and fmtxd |
| 20:35.49 | Pali | I'm creating debs in madde |
| 20:36.04 | Pali | + with patch debian/madde.patch |
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| 20:36.22 | freemangordon | does not matter, what options did you pass to dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 20:36.35 | Pali | mad dpkg-buildpackage -b |
| 20:36.49 | Pali | but madde using host ubuntu dpkg-buildpackge |
| 20:36.58 | Pali | not same version as in scratchbox! |
| 20:37.12 | freemangordon | let me check where is my build |
| 20:37.35 | freemangordon | btw can you do lsmod | grep isp |
| 20:38.32 | Pali | ok, anyway we can ignore that problem 1) if your scratchbox has no problems, then also autobuilder will do not have problems |
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| 20:38.53 | freemangordon | sure |
| 20:39.00 | Pali | I will see after my n900 power on :-) I connected it to charger |
| 20:39.14 | freemangordon | but just in case, will you try my build? |
| 20:39.23 | MrPingu | Where did you upload your version freemangordon? |
| 20:39.24 | Pali | I can |
| 20:39.36 | Pali | but what about problem 2)? |
| 20:39.45 | Pali | I have no idea why I solved that problem... |
| 20:39.50 | freemangordon | just a minute, trying to find it |
| 20:40.05 | Pali | ...but I'm sure that fmtxd can crash kernel! |
| 20:40.36 | Pali | (battery draining was because fmtx was spawned every minute and killed after minute - I think) |
| 20:40.39 | MrPingu | Are you using default fmtxd binary or that modified one? |
| 20:40.48 | Pali | modified |
| 20:41.05 | freemangordon | :) mine is stock and i don't have that problem |
| 20:41.14 | Pali | but application should not segfault kernel! |
| 20:41.40 | freemangordon | but you said that fmtxd crashes, not the kernel |
| 20:41.42 | Pali | and now after that my steps I cannot reprodute that problem... |
| 20:42.18 | Pali | fmtxd was stopped and started every minute and once kernel crashed too |
| 20:42.27 | Pali | see mtd2 log in TMO thread |
| 20:42.33 | Pali | I will find my post |
| 20:42.38 | freemangordon | hmm, do you have oops backtrace? |
| 20:42.42 | freemangordon | aah, ok |
| 20:43.37 | Pali | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1168630&postcount=2848 |
| 20:44.31 | freemangordon | Pali, here http://dox.bg/files/dw?a=dcb2ef99a6 |
| 20:44.55 | freemangordon | that is my build, could you try it to see if those missing symbols are still there |
| 20:45.52 | MrPingu | Missing symbols reported in dmesg or mtd2? |
| 20:46.16 | freemangordon | dmesg |
| 20:46.35 | MrPingu | okie =) brb installing kp ;) |
| 20:46.48 | Pali | ok I will try your build when my battery will be full :-) |
| 20:46.57 | freemangordon | why full? |
| 20:47.09 | freemangordon | that bug is fixed in KP50 :p |
| 20:47.41 | MrPingu | hmm, can't download |
| 20:50.15 | Pali | lsmod | grep isp show isp_mod module and 3 other which depends on isp_mod |
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| 20:50.49 | freemangordon | Pali, someone is trying to load isp_mod from a different kernel, NFC who |
| 20:51.07 | freemangordon | MrPingu, what is the problem? |
| 20:51.20 | Pali | it is in 16.91 sec |
| 20:51.32 | Pali | that error in dmesg |
| 20:51.44 | freemangordon | afk for a while |
| 20:51.53 | Pali | freemengordon, can you write dmesg | grep isp ? |
| 20:51.57 | Pali | ok |
| 20:54.27 | MrPingu | I don't see any files, I know it should display files + checkboxes and you can download in zip... but I don't see that, and I can't read the language... |
| 20:56.34 | freemangordon | MrPingu, you should enter the code under the text "Въведи кода от картинката:" |
| 20:57.08 | freemangordon | the text means "enter the code on the picture" |
| 20:58.15 | MrPingu | Nah it doesn't display that box |
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| 20:59.24 | freemangordon | MrPingu, you should enter the captcha |
| 21:00.41 | Pali | maybe you do not have fonts with all characters |
| 21:01.02 | freemangordon | Pali: |
| 21:01.04 | freemangordon | [ 8.277526] omap-iommu omap-iommu.1: isp registered |
| 21:01.05 | freemangordon | [ 8.737487] omap-iommu omap-iommu.1: isp: version 1.1 |
| 21:01.26 | freemangordon | that's all |
| 21:01.28 | Pali | both lines I have too |
| 21:01.55 | Pali | in sec 19 (but because I have bootmenu) |
| 21:01.59 | Pali | and special modified Maemo on eMMC :D |
| 21:02.15 | freemangordon | hmm, could it be that someone is trying to load wrong kernel modues? |
| 21:02.17 | Pali | I have to versions of Maemo: one in mtd and one on eMMC |
| 21:03.06 | MrPingu | ah I know whats wrong, I clicked the link but it stopped after the = |
| 21:03.08 | Pali | maybe... but I think that this problem should be on ALL kernels - not only by that builded by me |
| 21:03.41 | Pali | and other people on TMO have same symbol problems with my build |
| 21:04.05 | freemangordon | Pali, NFC what is wrong, just try my build. |
| 21:04.22 | Pali | I will try after I charge battery :-) |
| 21:04.39 | freemangordon | what the... :) |
| 21:04.56 | freemangordon | that bug is fixed, trust me on that (tm) |
| 21:05.22 | Pali | yes I trust you... I only think that problem can be in madde |
| 21:05.50 | freemangordon | I was talking about "unable to reboot" bug |
| 21:06.32 | Pali | bug was fixed |
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| 21:18.10 | Pali | Now I closed some fixed bugs on garage bugtracker |
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| 21:19.07 | Pali | freemangordon, see other open https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?atid=5521&group_id=1528&func=browse |
| 21:19.30 | Pali | I have no idea if are valid or not |
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| 21:24.24 | Pali | can somebody test if uninstall menu entry for kernel-power working? (It is "Nokia Kernel") |
| 21:24.43 | Pali | I'm using U-Boot without -flasher package |
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| 22:03.52 | MrPingu | Pali or freemangordon still here? |
| 22:04.02 | Pali | I'm here |
| 22:04.48 | MrPingu | Just before I start, how to check if someone is here thru some IRC command or isn't that possible? |
| 22:05.01 | freemangordon | no way :) |
| 22:05.37 | freemangordon | you can do something like "freemangordon, ping" |
| 22:06.03 | MrPingu | Anyway, I am on the pre50 (link of freemangordon) I have no symbols missing string in dmesg |
| 22:06.14 | Pali | ~seen MrPingu |
| 22:06.20 | infobot | mrpingu is currently on #maemo (9m 20s). Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 17s, last said: 'Anyway, I am on the pre50 (link of freemangordon) I have no symbols missing string in dmesg'. |
| 22:06.44 | MrPingu | Well there was some other I thing I noticed in dmesg tho |
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| 22:07.30 | Pali | MrPingu, use ~seen command if you want to know if somebody is here :-) |
| 22:07.55 | MrPingu | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.44 | Pali | same error in my build too |
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| 22:08.53 | MrPingu | copied from dmesg =) Ah and TY Pali, IRC isn't that hard =) |
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| 22:10.39 | freemangordon | MrPingu, Pali, search dmesg log from here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51264 for smc ;) |
| 22:12.43 | freemangordon | whatever this message means, it is a legacy from omap1 kernel |
| 22:12.53 | Pali | smc91x is for smsc 91C9x ethernet device |
| 22:13.11 | Pali | seems like for qemu (where is eth0 support) |
| 22:13.36 | Pali | CONFIG_SMC91X=m is in config |
| 22:13.47 | freemangordon | could be, anyway don't think it is a problem |
| 22:13.57 | Pali | yes, it is not a problem |
| 22:15.11 | Pali | smc is enabled in arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-rx51-peripherals.c |
| 22:15.11 | freemangordon | damn kubuntu image, takes ages to download :( |
| 22:15.39 | Pali | and there is some gpio request for RX51_ETHR_GPIO_IRQ |
| 22:16.22 | Pali | have our n900 some ethernet chip? :D |
| 22:16.54 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, see ^^^^ what funny is in nokia rx51 kernel :-) |
| 22:17.53 | freemangordon | Pali, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1174885&postcount=459 |
| 22:18.18 | Pali | I read it :-) |
| 22:18.45 | freemangordon | well, then nothing stops you from pushing KP50 in extras-devel :) |
| 22:20.03 | Pali | ok, but not now. I'm going offline |
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| 22:24.49 | MrPingu | well I'm going off too =) |
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| 22:25.31 | MrPingu | till now only that omap and smc thingy no other bugs in pre-kp50 |
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