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| 00:01.52 | LaoLang_cool | jacekowski: memory? So it could be a hardware error? |
| 00:35.08 | SpacedOut | LaoLang_cool: I believe bus error used to mean you did a non-aligned load, like loading an int from an address that isn't a multiple of the address of an int. Doesn't matter though, if that's the only program crashing, it's probably just that program. |
| 00:36.34 | SpacedOut | I have some rather extensive patches for adding idle mode support to be notified almost immediately when you get e-mail, but it brings its own issues. Like it will act as if it received two messages instead of one. |
| 00:36.36 | LaoLang_cool | SpacedOut: but I want to have a try with maemo's email |
| 00:37.26 | SpacedOut | I don't get your statement, what do you mean by have a try? |
| 00:37.37 | LaoLang_cool | SpacedOut: and also setting -> My Nokia also leads settings closed... |
| 00:37.53 | LaoLang_cool | SpacedOut: I mean I want to use built-in email application |
| 00:38.00 | LaoLang_cool | sorry for my poor English :( |
| 00:38.44 | SpacedOut | Does modest crash as soon as you start it? |
| 00:39.24 | SpacedOut | Or just once and a while? |
| 00:39.33 | LaoLang_cool | SpacedOut: yes, immediately |
| 00:39.39 | LaoLang_cool | every time |
| 00:40.04 | LaoLang_cool | run modest -s, then it says Bus error |
| 00:40.05 | SpacedOut | It's Linux, so it usually isn't the answer, but have you rebooted? When did it start happening? |
| 00:40.41 | LaoLang_cool | SpacedOut: I've tried it again and again, even after reflashing a new official rom.. |
| 00:41.16 | SpacedOut | Root or emmc? |
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| 00:41.49 | LaoLang_cool | SpacedOut: both of them.. |
| 00:43.27 | SpacedOut | Is this a used phone, did it come not able to run? |
| 00:44.12 | LaoLang_cool | SpacedOut: sorry, I don't understand your question.. it's a working cell phone, I use it every day |
| 00:44.58 | SpacedOut | Did you buy it new, was modest able to run then? |
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| 00:45.38 | LaoLang_cool | SpacedOut: it's a second-hand, but email running well when I get it, I can't remember when it can't run though :( |
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| 00:47.25 | SpacedOut | I would have thought that flashing the both the emmc and rootfs would have undone anything in software that could be wrong because there shouldn't be anything left. After you flashed it, were any of your old settings or anything still around? |
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| 00:48.36 | LaoLang_cool | SpacedOut: no, after reflashing, everything old has gone |
| 00:48.39 | SpacedOut | I've seen it misbehave if the local cache (config data) was corrupt in a way it didn't expect, but a reflash should have taken care of that. |
| 00:48.44 | LaoLang_cool | it acts like a new phone |
| 00:50.17 | SpacedOut | If you go in software updates does it show any available? |
| 00:50.31 | LaoLang_cool | The file I use is: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin |
| 00:50.41 | LaoLang_cool | They are both from the offical site of nokia |
| 00:50.46 | LaoLang_cool | SpacedOut: yes |
| 00:50.59 | LaoLang_cool | It shows 2010.38 update is available |
| 00:51.32 | LaoLang_cool | update commands is: flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f and flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 00:51.58 | LaoLang_cool | Maybe I should try some other rom? |
| 00:52.31 | dole | LaoLang_cool: no, it should work with the files you listed |
| 00:53.05 | SpacedOut | Install the update and see where that gets you. |
| 00:53.09 | LaoLang_cool | dole: so weired... email will be closed even a new reflashing |
| 00:53.19 | LaoLang_cool | SpacedOut: I've installed it already.. |
| 00:53.47 | dole | I haven't really followed your problem, but if you flashed your phone with both this files correctly there shouldn't be any settings or data left |
| 00:53.48 | LaoLang_cool | I'm confused |
| 00:54.25 | SpacedOut | Do you have the extras repository enabled, I would install strace and see what files it is accessing before it crashed. Maybe it doesn't like some config file. |
| 00:54.51 | LaoLang_cool | dole: yes, no any settings left |
| 00:55.07 | LaoLang_cool | SpacedOut: no, it's not enabled |
| 00:55.11 | dole | LaoLang_cool: Have you tried to flash the rootfs first, then emmc and then rootfs again? |
| 00:55.28 | LaoLang_cool | dole: no, I always emmc then rootfs |
| 00:55.52 | dole | well, I don't think it should make any difference but it is worth a try I guess |
| 00:56.54 | dole | is it your email-client that crashes? |
| 00:57.12 | dole | (the built-in email-client) |
| 00:57.31 | LaoLang_cool | dole: yes, modest -s |
| 00:57.54 | dole | do you install something before you setup your email-account? |
| 00:57.58 | LaoLang_cool | if I run it by clicking icon, it will say internal error, application "email" closed |
| 00:58.03 | LaoLang_cool | dole: no |
| 00:58.05 | dole | thats odd |
| 00:58.11 | LaoLang_cool | I've tried run it after a reflashing |
| 00:58.24 | LaoLang_cool | no any operations except rebooting |
| 00:58.55 | dole | I don't think you will be able to flash your phone with broken files, but you can try to download them again |
| 00:58.57 | LaoLang_cool | no any contacts, conversations left, so I believe old data has all gone |
| 00:59.00 | dole | and flash again |
| 00:59.13 | LaoLang_cool | dole: ok, I will try |
| 00:59.26 | dole | yeah, if you flashed your phone as you described everything should be gone |
| 01:00.53 | LaoLang_cool | dole: thanks, I will have a try to re-download the roms |
| 01:01.02 | dole | do that |
| 01:01.09 | SpacedOut | LaoLang_cool: before you reflash, go in and `rm -rf /home/user/.modest` |
| 01:01.27 | LaoLang_cool | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin is ok? |
| 01:01.39 | LaoLang_cool | SpacedOut: I've tried that also.. |
| 01:01.55 | dole | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 01:01.56 | SpacedOut | Do you have a micro-SD card in? |
| 01:02.21 | LaoLang_cool | SpacedOut: I've tried with removing it too |
| 01:02.24 | dole | do you have a n900 from US? |
| 01:02.43 | LaoLang_cool | dole: I don't know, my imei is 356938031458509 |
| 01:02.51 | dole | hm |
| 01:03.01 | dole | you may have the wrong file |
| 01:03.14 | dole | where did you bought the phone? |
| 01:03.43 | LaoLang_cool | dole: it's a second-hand, I can't know the details of it now... |
| 01:04.01 | SpacedOut | The usb flasher can give some information about the device, but I don't know if that will list what country it was designed for. |
| 01:04.14 | dole | it's worth a try |
| 01:04.51 | LaoLang_cool | SpacedOut: it will list the rom I'm using I remember and the file I try to reflashing, no the real data, but I will try again |
| 01:06.34 | LaoLang_cool | SpacedOut: how to run flasher to show the info without reflashing? |
| 01:07.32 | dole | I'm not sure what damage it can do if you flash your phone with the wrong flash, is it possible to break the baseband? Or why do Nokia use specific files for specific locations? |
| 01:08.10 | SpacedOut | flasher --read-device-id |
| 01:08.22 | dole | I wouldn'f flash my phone before I know where it comes from |
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| 01:09.03 | SpeedEvil | dole: Nokia may use specific variations to comply with local regulatory requirements. |
| 01:09.29 | SpeedEvil | dole: For example, everywhere outside Ghana the 3d holographic display is disabled. |
| 01:10.31 | dole | maybe that's why |
| 01:10.40 | dole | but what if it isn't? |
| 01:11.18 | SpacedOut | SpeedEvil: Do they also include a terrabyte of ram to support that display, sweet. |
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| 01:12.01 | LaoLang_cool | SpacedOut: I've tried, it gives rom's version, no info about the product location :( |
| 01:14.21 | dole | DocScrutinizer may know something about this |
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| 01:15.20 | LaoLang_cool | dole: Thanks, I will wait for DocScrutinizer or DocScrutinizer51 :) |
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| 01:16.48 | SpacedOut | In the mean time try using strace/gdb to see if you can learn anything, and possibly the newer modest from the extras version 3.90.7-11 |
| 01:18.05 | LaoLang_cool | SpacedOut: I can't know the version I'm using, modest -v will lead to bus error too |
| 01:18.20 | SpacedOut | dpkg -l modest |
| 01:18.20 | LaoLang_cool | My maemo is the testing cssu version |
| 01:18.44 | LaoLang_cool | SpacedOut: 3.90.7-11 |
| 01:18.51 | dole | LaoLang_cool: do you have the box for your n900? |
| 01:18.51 | LaoLang_cool | it's the latest |
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| 01:19.09 | LaoLang_cool | dole: yes, but not at present.. |
| 01:19.17 | SpacedOut | I'm running testing cssu as well. |
| 01:19.24 | LaoLang_cool | but I don't know if it's the one with my N900 |
| 01:19.58 | dole | LaoLang_cool: that's easy to check. The IMEI is written on both the box and your phone |
| 01:20.05 | dole | mine N900 is from Sweden |
| 01:20.15 | LaoLang_cool | SpacedOut: I've tried: 1. run modest with a new reflashing of offical rom, 2. run modest with a new reflashing and updating to offical update |
| 01:20.19 | dole | So the text on the box is in swedish |
| 01:20.32 | dole | I guess that's a way to find out where your phone is from |
| 01:20.46 | dole | just hope it isn't written in english :p |
| 01:21.03 | LaoLang_cool | dole: it's written in English... |
| 01:21.12 | dole | :( |
| 01:21.56 | LaoLang_cool | it says it'd mode in Korea |
| 01:22.05 | LaoLang_cool | it's made |
| 01:22.23 | dole | same here |
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| 01:29.42 | LaoLang_cool | dole: I've found some info from internet: 0593611: RX-51 UK CV |
| 01:30.12 | LaoLang_cool | maybe it's a location is UK |
| 01:30.19 | LaoLang_cool | so I will try with UK version |
| 01:30.58 | dole | are you sure? |
| 01:31.09 | dole | where did you found that info? |
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| 01:31.36 | LaoLang_cool | dole: it's a chinese website: http://www.3geek.cn/show/3718.html |
| 01:32.14 | dole | it sure looks like UK then |
| 01:32.44 | LaoLang_cool | downloading is slow here... I will try after that |
| 01:35.05 | dole | yeah, I have to sleep though (it's 02:34 here) |
| 01:35.33 | dole | how did you get "0593611" from your phone? |
| 01:36.10 | dole | found it |
| 01:36.15 | dole | http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1496843/+440 |
| 01:37.19 | LaoLang_cool | dole: it's behind the battery :) |
| 01:37.32 | LaoLang_cool | dole: thank you, and have a good night! |
| 01:37.34 | dole | Yeah |
| 01:37.47 | dole | Good night! And good luck LaoLang_cool :) |
| 01:38.11 | LaoLang_cool | dole: good luck for you too :) |
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| 02:47.16 | shamus | oh and is anyone else having the issue of a lot of the repositories failign to refresh? |
| 03:08.30 | shamus | also what ever became of the fremetalthing the mer thingy for the n8xx? |
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| 06:43.29 | LaoLang_cool | SpacedOut, dole: after reflashing a right rom, email can start now! |
| 06:43.56 | LaoLang_cool | I can't believe it's relative to a wrong version of rom... |
| 06:44.02 | LaoLang_cool | Thank you all! |
| 06:44.54 | LaoLang_cool | Thank you SpacedOut jacekowski dole SpeedEvil |
| 06:45.03 | LaoLang_cool | and others I can't remember... |
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| 07:02.45 | Sicelo | huh? that's even more weird - what does country have to do with email? |
| 07:04.00 | LaoLang_cool | Sicelo: I get confused too |
| 07:04.22 | LaoLang_cool | But after I change from USA version to UK version, everything goes right.. |
| 07:04.48 | Sicelo | most possibly your initial images weren't downloading correctly |
| 07:05.02 | Sicelo | why aren't you using global, btw? |
| 07:08.31 | LaoLang_cool | Sicelo: I don't know the difference, but I just try to use the one corresponding to my n900... |
| 07:09.21 | Sicelo | ok. :) |
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| 07:11.48 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 07:13.46 | DocScrutinizer | nice effect. much guessing and voodoo resulting in finally something works, leads to even more voodoo legends spreading as the true remedy |
| 07:14.11 | Sicelo | 03:09 < SpeedEvil> dole: For example, everywhere outside Ghana the 3d holographic display is disabled. <<<<< what's this 3d holographic display? |
| 07:14.54 | DocScrutinizer | you haven't seen it yet? you probably should plan to visit Ghana during your next holidays |
| 07:16.18 | Sicelo | damn! i'm an africa but you seem to know it better than I |
| 07:16.20 | Sicelo | :P |
| 07:16.22 | Sicelo | *in |
| 07:18.14 | Sicelo | anyone has a link for this? [looks like my google keywords aren't good enough] |
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| 07:50.59 | dole | LaoLang_cool: hi |
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| 07:53.22 | LaoLang_cool | dole: hi, I've solved the issue! |
| 07:53.30 | LaoLang_cool | After trying the rom for UK |
| 07:53.36 | LaoLang_cool | dole: thank you for help! |
| 07:53.49 | dole | I'm glad :) |
| 07:53.57 | LaoLang_cool | dole: morning, you have too few sleep... |
| 07:54.18 | dole | yeah, woke up 3h ago :/ |
| 07:56.32 | LaoLang_cool | wow, take care... |
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| 08:19.19 | gormux | hi all |
| 08:19.34 | gormux | anyone using a wiimote to play games on the N900 ? |
| 08:19.52 | gormux | especially with the classic controller ? |
| 08:20.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | using 'rom' (actually fiasco image) for UK isn't 'solving the issue' |
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| 08:24.02 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer51: but at least I can run email now... |
| 08:24.14 | LaoLang_cool | And I can run settings -> My Nokia too :) |
| 08:25.16 | LaoLang_cool | But maybe I used a crupted fiasco image too, anyhow, it works now :) |
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| 09:49.45 | gormux | hum, talk.maemo.org seems down again |
| 09:50.36 | gormux | is it frequent ? I have my N900 since saturday, and it's frequently down since :) |
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| 10:00.05 | x29a | gormux: na, usually works but does have some hickups |
| 10:00.21 | x29a | maybe, google cache works for you meanwhile? |
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| 10:13.42 | gormux | x29a: yeah sure, I was just wondering |
| 10:17.06 | LaoLang_cool | It would be better if rotation of screen can be 360 degree |
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| 10:25.55 | guly | i need talk.maemo.org once a month, when it's down |
| 10:26.35 | magic_doc | that is really annoying since it was down yesterday too. |
| 10:26.49 | magic_doc | already sent an Email to the servers owner but not reply :( |
| 10:29.33 | gormux | still trying to get NITDroid working |
| 10:30.03 | Sicelo | why don't you just buy a cheap android? |
| 10:30.08 | Sicelo | ~nitdroid |
| 10:30.09 | infobot | nitdroid is, like, Nokia Internet Tablets with android OS. Support on nitdroid is provided in the channel #nitdroid and #nitdroid-help and Nokia does not officially support owners with android OS on their tablets. For more information read here: http://nitdroid.com/index.php?title=NITDroid_project. If you have bricked your N900 device and have installed nitdroid, flash with both eMMC and fiasco. |
| 10:30.46 | gormux | Sicelo: it's just for fun :) |
| 10:31.06 | Sicelo | i have a lot more fun with debian ;) |
| 10:31.35 | gormux | I don't want to use it on a daily basis, but still i'd like to try it, maybe reboot sometimes to play android games... |
| 10:32.36 | gormux | I had an android phone, and just exchanged it for a n900 :p |
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| 10:33.39 | gormux | I made some scripts and all, and got very cool functions already. Maemo is really better for a user like me :) |
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| 10:34.51 | StyXman | Sicelo: are you in the maemo-over-debian development? |
| 10:35.35 | Sicelo | nop. i'm not a dev at all, but i closely follow http://elinux.org/N900 and similar projects |
| 10:36.12 | ruskie | Confusingly, not all apps appear in the chunky Start screen by default. You need to swipe up and tap "All apps" for the full set, <-- I wonder where microsoft got that idea ;) |
| 10:38.03 | psycho_oreos | microsoft mobile world's offsprings will bear nokia genes (amongst others) |
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| 11:20.53 | LaoLang_cool | How to see a time length of a call? |
| 11:22.04 | LaoLang_cool | Seems I just can see the date time of a call in phone application |
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| 11:23.01 | Hurrian | hmm, too is down again |
| 11:23.44 | LaoLang_cool | how to see the duration of a phone call? |
| 11:24.03 | merlin1991 | LaoLang_cool: not saved for some reason |
| 11:24.06 | LaoLang_cool | I think this time I express myself much more precise :) |
| 11:24.08 | merlin1991 | there is a fix somehwere on tmo |
| 11:24.38 | LaoLang_cool | merlin1991: oh, it's sad that tmo is down :( |
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| 11:29.26 | Hurrian | What's happening to TMO? |
| 11:29.42 | Hurrian | I haven't heard of any scheduled maintenance |
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| 11:33.01 | merlin1991 | Hurrian: tmo has regular unscheduled downtimes |
| 11:33.22 | Hurrian | only recently, though |
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| 12:43.06 | pigeon | ah... fun... |
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| 13:27.22 | LaoLang_cool | merlin1991: I think phone call duration should be added in cssu version :) |
| 13:27.42 | flat` | yea |
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| 15:31.45 | fredichan | I have just come to wonder. Has anyone have tried to get Android on to the Nokia N900? From my experience, first thing that comes to mind, architecture, then, licensing, but I think Android is freely licensed? Then I come to think, has anyone tried and where have they stumbled upon a problem? |
| 15:37.34 | psycho_oreos | there's a channel for android on N900, its called nitdroid and there's a channel for that specifically |
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| 16:46.13 | Pali | ~seen jonwil |
| 16:46.20 | infobot | jonwil <~jonwil@27-33-137-199.static.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 31d 5h 12m 47s ago, saying: 'anyone here know anything about QT programming on the N900?'. |
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| 17:16.02 | jonwil | hi |
| 17:17.45 | Pali | hi jonwil |
| 17:20.30 | jonwil | I saw your message |
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| 17:26.38 | jonwil | I think what the community wants is the complete browser UI source code, i.e. tablet-browser-ui, tablet-browser-controls, tablet-browser-dialogs, tablet-browser-view & tablet-browser-widgets at a minimum (there may be more that is part of the browser UI though) |
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| 17:34.12 | Pali | yes, we need code which handle MCE orientation signals and delete this code |
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| 17:35.32 | Pali | jonwil, write mail for opening that packages too |
| 17:35.53 | jonwil | I have no idea how to go about writing these emails |
| 17:36.15 | jonwil | hence why I said in my post that we need someone else who knows what to say and how to ask in the right way to write the emails |
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| 17:37.13 | Pali | jonwil, write what you written to TMO thread |
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| 17:49.47 | jonwil | I would rather someone else write the emails for all sorts of reasons I cant go into :P |
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| 17:51.41 | jonwil | As for MCE, I actually have email conversation in the past with MCE guy where he said that he would like to have opened Fremantle MCE but that he was unable to convince the higher-ups to let it happen |
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| 17:53.04 | Pali | jonwil, for MCE: try to write some that diablo MCE was published and harmattan too... |
| 17:53.34 | jonwil | dont think the MCE guy works at Nokia anymore from what I remember |
| 17:54.12 | Pali | maybe harmattan MCE devs yes |
| 17:55.23 | jonwil | well in any case I cant send these emails, it would be good if someone else sent them so we can see if its possible to get these pieces of much-needed code |
| 17:55.58 | Pali | why you cannot send emails? |
| 17:56.09 | Pali | you have broken email client? :-) |
| 17:57.03 | jonwil | I have issues I cant go into that prevent me from sending these specific sorts of emails |
| 17:57.53 | Pali | just write what you are writing here on IRC... what do you think that other people doing? |
| 17:59.14 | jonwil | its not related to the content of the emails, its something else I Cant go into |
| 17:59.32 | jonwil | just trust me, someone else will have to do communication with nokia guys because I cant do it right now |
| 18:00.07 | Pali | jonwil, try! |
| 18:00.16 | jonwil | I cant |
| 18:00.28 | jonwil | If I could, I would |
| 18:00.30 | jonwil | but I cant |
| 18:00.53 | Sicelo | Pali: he means it :) |
| 18:01.10 | Pali | jonwil, why do you think that you cannot communicate with people? |
| 18:01.19 | Pali | via mail client? |
| 18:01.20 | jonwil | I cant explain |
| 18:01.32 | jonwil | Nothing is wrong with my email, its something I cant talk about |
| 18:01.57 | Pali | language problem? |
| 18:02.19 | jonwil | no, its not that |
| 18:02.24 | jonwil | its something I cant and wont go into |
| 18:02.30 | Sicelo | Pali: would it be possible for you to do it? |
| 18:02.43 | Pali | already done |
| 18:02.58 | Sicelo | would offer to, but i am not a dev |
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| 18:03.14 | Pali | but I think that if more people write to nokia, then we can bigger chance... |
| 18:03.22 | jonwil | so pali you asked for what exactly? |
| 18:03.53 | Pali | last? opening browser ui code |
| 18:06.34 | jonwil | ok |
| 18:06.46 | jonwil | have you asked anyone for MCE code? |
| 18:07.06 | Pali | yes, but fremantle maintainer is not in nokia |
| 18:07.14 | Pali | so no answer |
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| 18:07.44 | Pali | maybe asking harmattan maintainer... |
| 18:08.34 | Pali | jonwil, anyway are you playing with clone of systemui? |
| 18:08.59 | jonwil | I was at one point playing with bits of it, why? |
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| 18:09.07 | jonwil | lock screen specifically |
| 18:09.14 | jonwil | i.e. slide-to-unlock |
| 18:17.50 | Pali | jonwil, how hard is to write systemui daemon? |
| 18:17.50 | jonwil | pali, what did you want to know about systemui? |
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| 18:18.02 | jonwil | I dont know, I didnt get much into the daemon itself |
| 18:18.06 | Pali | do you know what all is systemui daemon doing? |
| 18:18.11 | jonwil | just the tklock plugin |
| 18:18.31 | Pali | do you know systemui plugin interface? |
| 18:18.38 | jonwil | bits and pieces of it |
| 18:19.02 | jonwil | http://www.cncmods.net/files/systemui.h |
| 18:19.09 | jonwil | Thats basically what I have |
| 18:19.14 | jonwil | why do you want this info? |
| 18:20.22 | Pali | systemui is one of (2?) closed system daemons, which I'd like to see open and change somestuff |
| 18:20.44 | jonwil | whats the other one> |
| 18:20.46 | jonwil | ? |
| 18:20.56 | Pali | mce |
| 18:21.00 | jonwil | ok |
| 18:21.18 | jonwil | me, I would love the source code to icd and its plugins myself |
| 18:21.22 | Pali | systemui is handling battery low, alarm gui, power button, ... |
| 18:21.48 | jonwil | yeah |
| 18:21.52 | Pali | icd is shit, which can be replaced by /etc/network/interfaces + wpa_supplicant + ofono... |
| 18:22.04 | Pali | or by compex connman or network-manager |
| 18:23.52 | jonwil | replacing icd is not as easy as you think, lots of bits of the system talk directly to icd and its plugins |
| 18:24.01 | jonwil | over undocumented dbus interfaces |
| 18:24.26 | jonwil | oh and if replacing csd with ofono was possible, I would have done it by now |
| 18:24.31 | jonwil | or at least tried |
| 18:24.34 | jonwil | but its not |
| 18:25.06 | Pali | you need to update dbus |
| 18:25.27 | Pali | see what is in meego/nemo/nitdroid - here is ofono working... |
| 18:26.04 | Pali | csd stack is really complicate and RE is even even hard that other maemo stuff |
| 18:26.48 | jonwil | You cant replace csd with ofono unless you replace important system software like dialer, contacts, messaging and who knows what else (and if you are going to do that, you might as well move to MeeGo/Nemo/whatever they are calling it this week) |
| 18:27.13 | jonwil | Too many parts of the system rely on undocumented interfaces exposed by the cellular services daemon and its plugins |
| 18:28.18 | Pali | jonwil, dialer, messaging and contacts using telepathy only |
| 18:28.34 | Pali | and for ofono exists compatible telepathy manager |
| 18:28.37 | Pali | telepathy-ring |
| 18:28.53 | Pali | new ofono version is open |
| 18:29.00 | Pali | and old (closed) is in maemo5 |
| 18:29.33 | jonwil | trust me, I did the research and the grepping-the-entire-n900-filesystem and I can say that key components most definatly talk directly to the cellular services daemon |
| 18:29.47 | Pali | bad |
| 18:30.12 | Pali | so then any icd/newtwork stuff is hard to replace |
| 18:30.40 | Pali | this commit of MCE is interesting http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/mce/commit/4c5de70845de46b8b8dc395617d44722d8ac49e4 |
| 18:30.49 | Pali | git-svn-id: https://projects.maemo.org/svn/dsm/mce/trunk@19331 db81c003-b5ea-0310-aa99-ed7f6e1db739 |
| 18:30.55 | jonwil | yeah it is interesting :) |
| 18:30.58 | Pali | what is that projects.maemo.org ? |
| 18:31.28 | jonwil | seems to be place for secret stuff to be done |
| 18:31.42 | jonwil | trying to visit URLs on it asks for username and password |
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| 18:32.27 | jonwil | and that includes a link I found once to some browser code on that domain |
| 18:32.36 | Sicelo | ~seen luke-jr |
| 18:32.50 | infobot | luke-jr is currently on #maemo #harmattan, last said: 'isn't that a downgrade?'. |
| 18:33.03 | jonwil | and also to a git repo on that server for Harmattan cellular-qt that I found a link to somewhere |
| 18:34.59 | jonwil | To replace ICD we would need to:1.Find a replacement that works 2.Make it talk to csd-gprs for cellular data (not as hard as you would think because we have documentation on the dbus calls exposed by csd-grps) 3.Write replacements for the connectivity UI widgets that talk to ICD 4.Identify anything talking to ICD that we cant rewrite and somehow make our ICD replacement expose what they need |
| 18:35.07 | jonwil | i.e. its theoretically possible but its a LOT of work |
| 18:35.31 | Pali | jonwil, but why? |
| 18:35.37 | jonwil | but why what? |
| 18:35.52 | luke-jr | Sicelo: ? |
| 18:36.00 | Pali | I did not see any bugs in icd (except that icd is shit) |
| 18:36.20 | jonwil | myself, I am not so interested in ICD as I am in its plugins |
| 18:36.31 | jonwil | specifically icd-gprs and icd-wlan |
| 18:36.39 | jonwil | for various projects I keep meaning to mess with |
| 18:36.50 | jonwil | including some sort of priority for wlan networks |
| 18:36.56 | luke-jr | jonwil: fwiw, Gentoo/N900 has network init scripts for GPRS :p |
| 18:37.04 | Sicelo | luke-jr: current conversation here reminded me of your gentoo efforts. how is it going? |
| 18:37.12 | luke-jr | Sicelo: no progress for 2 months |
| 18:37.19 | Sicelo | ah :) |
| 18:37.27 | Sicelo | oh |
| 18:37.35 | jonwil | please tell me you are not actually compiling things on the phone... :P |
| 18:38.01 | Pali | jonwil, I compiled kernel on my n900 :D |
| 18:38.06 | jonwil | :) |
| 18:38.12 | Pali | 6 hours |
| 18:38.34 | Sicelo | poor ARM8 |
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| 18:39.31 | Sicelo | luke-jr: can you share your init scripts for gprs? |
| 18:39.44 | luke-jr | Sicelo: they're in the N900 Gentoo overlay |
| 18:39.55 | luke-jr | jonwil: I have distcc setup |
| 18:40.05 | jonwil | :) |
| 18:40.21 | Pali | jonwil, maybe instead icd/... you can try gentoo scripts ^^^ |
| 18:40.32 | Pali | realy icd is shit |
| 18:40.33 | jonwil | Pali, have you considered mail to systemui people asking for systemui? |
| 18:40.33 | luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/portage-overlay.git/ |
| 18:40.49 | Pali | jonwil, no (yet) |
| 18:40.55 | Pali | but I can try to send |
| 18:40.56 | jonwil | you should... |
| 18:41.57 | luke-jr | fwiw, over $15k stolen in Linode compromise |
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| 18:42.03 | jonwil | yeah I know ICD is shit but to replace bits with something else AND make things not break is more trouble than its worth. Hence my plans-for-the-future to clone the wlan plugin or failing that, write my own plugin that sits between ICD and the nokia one |
| 18:42.18 | Pali | jonwil, I wrote mail for calendar-ui source I got responce that sources are on: git clone git@dvcs.projects.maemo.org:Fremantle-Calendar/calendar-ui |
| 18:42.37 | Pali | but code only for private access |
| 18:43.03 | Pali | that I need PMO account |
| 18:43.21 | jonwil | did they actually say its private access or did you find that out when you tried to access the url? |
| 18:43.38 | luke-jr | $215k* |
| 18:43.49 | jonwil | I bet projects.maemo.org is for all the closed source bits of maemo to allow all the Nokia and outside people to access a central location. |
| 18:44.12 | Pali | I wrote that I cannot access that code and they wrote me that I need PMO account for access |
| 18:44.16 | jonwil | ok |
| 18:46.05 | Pali | jonwil, I'd like to replace buildin Addressbook application (+add better merging,...), but main library libosso-abook is closed too :-( |
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| 18:53.20 | jonwil | top of my wishlist for n900 stuff would be connui-common, connui-cellular, icd wlan plugin and the closed bits of the input system (virtual keyboard etc). |
| 18:53.28 | jonwil | And PowerVR but that will never happen :P |
| 18:53.45 | jonwil | holy crap, its nearly 3am here :P |
| 18:55.43 | jonwil | better go get something vaguely resembling sleep |
| 18:55.49 | SpeedEvil | Night! |
| 18:56.03 | SpeedEvil | List seems readonable |
| 18:56.26 | jonwil | pali, do be sure to let me (or the community) know if you actually manage to pry any more source loose from Nokia :) |
| 18:56.28 | jonwil | cya |
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| 19:24.31 | Sicelo | just been reading about the security issues affecting iOS and Android recently.. got me wondering: how vulnerable has Maemo5/N900 been to this kind of thing? |
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| 19:25.17 | NIN101 | what exact issues do you mean? :-) |
| 19:28.28 | Sicelo | something like this for example: http://www.gsmarena.com/android_allows_applications_direct_access_to_your_photos_too-news-3922.php http://www.gsmarena.com/security_bug_in_ios_lets_apps_secretly_access_your_photos_-news-3913.php |
| 19:28.56 | Sicelo | or any other 'security' issue with maemo |
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| 19:31.14 | NIN101 | i assume that most people who have rootsh installed can be owned easily, because most of them for example didn't set a password for root. |
| 19:32.00 | NIN101 | and yes, on maemo you can also "secretly access photos". |
| 19:33.35 | NIN101 | or you can set the owner of the photos to another user than "user", but don't ask me how to view them in the photo-viewer. |
| 19:33.35 | Sicelo | hmm ;P |
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| 19:48.47 | KotCzarny | hi |
| 19:49.05 | RST38h | moo,KotCzarny |
| 19:49.09 | RST38h | Back to PL? |
| 19:49.19 | KotCzarny | what is the status of wifi driver in 770/n8x0/n900 ? ie. can it do master mode? |
| 19:49.41 | KotCzarny | rst38h: yeah, though shells are all over the globe |
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| 20:04.22 | jacekowski | KotCzarny: n900 can do even monitor mode |
| 20:04.55 | KotCzarny | great, anything special required or it can do it with stock apps/config ? |
| 20:05.05 | jacekowski | modified kernel |
| 20:05.19 | KotCzarny | power-kernel or something else? |
| 20:06.17 | jacekowski | stock driver can only do STA, AP, adhoc |
| 20:06.20 | jacekowski | KotCzarny: something ele |
| 20:06.43 | jacekowski | KotCzarny: iirc if you google for packet injection n900 you should find it |
| 20:06.57 | jacekowski | ehh |
| 20:06.58 | KotCzarny | master mode is fine, does it work with wpa_supplicant too? |
| 20:07.05 | jacekowski | stock driver can only do sta and adhoc* |
| 20:07.06 | DocScrutinizer | announced for PK50 |
| 20:07.13 | KotCzarny | bah |
| 20:07.34 | DocScrutinizer | ask Pali |
| 20:07.41 | jacekowski | why do you need AP mode? |
| 20:07.42 | KotCzarny | jacekowski: do you have a link for howto? |
| 20:07.52 | jacekowski | not really |
| 20:07.55 | jacekowski | it was on tmo |
| 20:08.04 | KotCzarny | jacekowski: friend of mine asked if any of 770/n8x0/n900 can do ap mode |
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| 20:08.32 | DocScrutinizer | stae of the art is fake AP via adhoc |
| 20:08.46 | DocScrutinizer | state |
| 20:08.53 | KotCzarny | DocScrutinizer: bummer :/ |
| 20:08.53 | Pali | only adhoc and sta mode is working with wl1251 |
| 20:08.58 | DocScrutinizer | still no AP at all AFAIK |
| 20:09.23 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i've seen something on interwebs about faking AP mode with monitor mode |
| 20:09.31 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and packet injection |
| 20:09.32 | Pali | wl1251 FW does not support AP mode (but HW support it) |
| 20:09.33 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 20:09.36 | jacekowski | doing it purely in software |
| 20:09.50 | jacekowski | on ipw3945 or something like that |
| 20:09.53 | KotCzarny | atheros driver does it with hostapd |
| 20:10.06 | jacekowski | hostapd is just managing it |
| 20:10.09 | KotCzarny | ie, creating monitoring interface along the regular one |
| 20:10.13 | Pali | if somebody fix that closed FW then it will be possible :P |
| 20:10.18 | jacekowski | all AP stuff is done in driver itself |
| 20:10.36 | DocScrutinizer | has to run, fix some friend's TV setup (DVB-S) and fax a NDA |
| 20:10.38 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 20:10.52 | jacekowski | once interface is configured, you can kill hostapd and it will continue to work ( unless you are doing wpa/wep ) |
| 20:11.32 | KotCzarny | hrm |
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| 20:18.07 | KotCzarny | anyway, thanks and see you later :) oh, and i shall remind you that osc is still one of the best eye candies i wrote :) |
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